Sir Cliff Richard's Berkshire property searched by police

I wonder if he'll be thanking the judge for a life sentence.

But...but...but...but...

It was only a matter of time. Richard has been named repeatedly in connection with the Elm Guest House, the woman who ran it had a nickname for him, 'Gladys' I think it was.

Is whole British society secretly based on pedophilia ,since always?

I guess some people think being accused of a crime means you are guilty of that crime.

Is whole R4 alien to grammar and the use of punctuation, since always?

Cliff and his priest lover were not at the property when the police searched it, so that may result in some discoveries.

Only poor people live in the Berkshires. The truly rich live in the Hamptons. What's that? England? The truly rich live in Hampton Court.

Have you noticed how many of these pervs were given titles? Sir Pervalot of Pedoshire.

The Palace doesn't really vet these people very well do they?

"...the woman who ran it had a nickname for him, 'Gladys' I think it was."

And Gladys had a lot of Pips.

On a previous DL UK paedo thread a poster stated that CF had a super-injunction in place to prevent his name emerging in the mainstream press's coverage of high profile offenders - real or imagined.

As R3 says, CR has been linked for months with Elm Guest House: he was on a list of 'guests' photographed and shown in a long thread on David Icke's (I know) site. (Much may said site be mocked - but it's been the conduit for plenty of hard information, and is used as a source for the MSM. Icke perhaps goes too far by agreeing with R4 - but only perhaps.)

Also on the above list was a former Cabinet Minister, whom the press never named, but of late continually photographed in connection with the ongoing scandal.

The police search is a game-changer in that it now gives the press the chance cannily to use CF's name in discussing the broader scandal. Intriguing development.

Others might now also come forward and make themselves known to the police.

R2

Are you my Auntie Moira? Because she will certainly be crying tears of horror into her cornflakes at this news.

^ Sorry, 'CR" not 'CF."

This is very good news. I don't care about the lizard business, I believe many of David Icke's claims.

R11, I'm interested by this list that is photographed. Is it some kind of original source - i.e. written at the actual time of the events it describes just as a list for personal use - or is it something that was produced after the events by people making certain allegations?

R5, he hasn't even been officially accused of any crime yet.

So what.

He'll get away with it like all the others who were allowed to die a natural death because they knew too much about TPTB.

Notice that all this is only really spilling out after the central figures like Saville are dead? Or at least the allegations now public are 'historical' in nature.

Fuck, you couldn't even get justice for the Hillsborough victims and it's been what--25 years?

Many constabularies are in lockstep with the elite.

CR's press statement:

"For many months I have been aware of allegations against me of historic impropriety which have been circulating online. The allegations are completely false.

Up until now I have chosen not to dignify the false allegations with a response, as it would just give them more oxygen.

However, the police attended my apartment in Berkshire today without notice, except, it would appear, to the press.

I am not presently in the UK but it goes without saying that I will co-operate fully should the police wish to speak to me.

Beyond stating that today's allegation is completely false it would not be appropriate to say anything further until the police investigation has concluded."

Doesn't he take frequent trips to Asia to mess around with young boys? Or is that some other singer?

I think that was Gary Glitter, R18

Cliff being gay is a rumor as old as time.

That'll be Gary Glitter.

This has been a long time coming. I'll be interested to know if anything comes of his links to Jill Dando and her murder, or if he'll conveniently die before then.

R15, Carole Kasir, the woman who ran the notorious Elm Guest House kept a 'visitors book' of sorts. She logged the names of well known or establishment figures who visited the place. Some visited for consensual gay adult sex, some for criminal child abuse. Kasir showed the names to the anti-child abuse campaigner and former social worker Chris Fay whilst she was still alive ( she was found dead soon after, in what Fay thinks was murder by the secret services). Fay was also shown about 20 photos of recognisable figures in scenes of child abuse. So some of the names on the 'list' came from that source.

Others come from victims who approached three campaigners for justice for the victims of child abuse, the members of parliament Simon Danczuc, Tom Watson, and before he died, Geoffrey Dickens. So that is how 'the list' of suspects became circulated online, before any arrests had even been made.

He's not being accused of gayness, r20 he's being accused of pedophilia.

There is a difference you know.

The photographed list emerged on the DI site some time after the post-Savile mudslide began: when victims were phoning the police in their scores, the scandal broadened, and the DI Savile thread became a conduit for information from widespread sources - some of which in fact linked back to Savile.

The circumstances around the Elm Guest House were revived through diligent use of old cuttings, thirty years on; that angle became lively after further discussion, and someone posted the list of 'guests.'

The list seemed plausible because it wasn't just a few 'usual suspects' of showbiz types around whom rumours had always buzzed, like a list knocked up as a scam in a bedroom; there were obscure right-wing politicians, councillors, fascists, all sorts. Names long beyond anyone now seeking some futile revenge.

And as I wrote, the MSM seem fully certain that one big name on the list was more than plausible, given the photographic attention he was allotted during the recent prominent coverage of the scandal.

Isn't Cliff really religious as well?

When I was young and involved in Church youth groups everyone was always saying that Cliff was a born again Christian.

R22, did she write that book at the time or did she write it later, at the time when she came out with her allegations? From the photo, it doesn't look like a register that was being kept at the actual time of the claimed visits, but some list written much later.

How credible is a person like Carole Kasir, anyway, who happily ran a pedophile brothel? How credible is Chris Fay, who makes accusations aplenty and claims to have hard evidence for them but can never really come up with this evidence?

A person who is aids and abets child abuse, including the abuse of her own son who lived at the Elm Guest House property, is what they is, R26. Questions of character aside, it is likely that someone who has involved themselves in that sort of corruption and criminality would keep records, for purposes of either 'insurance' or blackmail.

And as far as Chris Fay goes, well, warrants are being issued, and arrests and trials are happening. So we are not dealing with a fantasist here. And Fay is banging the same drum as Tom Watson and Simon Danczuk, and they are both highly respected campaigning politicians.

R27, who actually physically wrote that list - Carole Kasir or Chris Fay?

As far as I'm aware, no one accused by Chris Fay has had a warrant issued or been arrested, other than the police searching Cliff Richard's house. There have been arrests and charges and searches, but, other than Cliff Richard's house, not of anyone accused by Chris Fay.

I was always struck by the fact that if Leon Britten was the big target, the most senior government minister who visited Elm Street Guest House, and Geoffrey Dickens had lots of information on pedophile gangs then, why on earth did Geoffrey Dickens go straight to Leon Brittan with this information? Surely, if Dickens had been doing research and had evidence, he would have been aware if Brittan was involved with child abuse. So, why go to Brittan? This would only make sense if Geoffrey Dickens had absolutely nothing on Brittan.

R28, from what I can gather, Dickens was not aware of Britten's now alleged activities when he presented him with the dossier relating to other allegations, back in the 1980's.

And as far as no establishment figures being brought to book, Benjamin Herman, former aide ( or 'equerry') to Prince Philip, will stand trial charged with three counts of child sex offences.

The problem for the police, is that these allegations are historical, and in many cases, the survivors came from childrens' homes and not from comfortable, supportive middle class families. They may have suffered significant trauma which may have resulted in poor mental health, drug and alcohol abuse, and possibly work in the sex industry. That is the reality. It may unfortunately not be possible for the crown prosecution service to bring allegations to charges and then to trial for that reason - the victims may not be in good enough shape to deal with trial, and may not make ideal witnesses.

But, I think we will see some high profile cases reach the courts. And I think hard evidence of a wide scale cover up of child abuse by the police and politicians will come to light.

Oh God, I live practically next to the house that used to be the Elm Guest House. Not sure how I never realised it before (I've read about the house in the press before but never knew its exact location). Feeling a bit sick now.

R30, how horrible. Apparently the secret services used to park across the street keeping an eye on proceedings when the offences took place.

There were rumors back in the eighties of him going to South Africa to indulge in his chickenhawk predilections over there. That was at the time when playing for the apartheid regime was considered a big no no for most pop stars.

I take it from your response, r29, that the individual who physically wrote the list of supposed attendees of Elm Guest House was Chris Fay.

Therefore, the only source for the claim that Carole Kasir named those individuals as having gone to Elm Guest House is Chris Fay.

[quote]Sir Cliff Richard's Berkshire property searched by police

In that case... We're all going on a summer holiday No more working for a week or two Fun and laughter on our summer holiday No more worries for me or you For a week or two Everybody has a summer holiday Doing things they always wanted to So we're going on a summer holiday To make our dreams come true For me and you

Mmm, mmm Mmm, mmm Mmm, mmm

What kind of evidence are they supposed to find in his property? He has had a lot of time to get rid of all, whatever could incriminate him. I don't understand. Somebody please explain.

I was amused just now at the BBC news where its the main story (never mind Iraq etc) showing the police ostentatiously entering the apartment block, so the news was tipped off they would be there. What do they expect to find now? Cliff (who is in Portugal) would hardly have left incriminating evidence there at this late stage ... once all these old stars were being investigated.

If they could convict him it would be the biggest haul for them yet, and justify their witch-hunts. But even innocent people get tarnished by these investigations, so there goes Sir Cliff's gooey holier than thou image .... not that he tours or performs much now.

Sir Cliff (is he the one who had an injunction out that he was not to be mentioned in any of these police investigations?) has had ample time to replace all his computers and devices, and clean his properties of any incriminating images or 'evidence' of any wrongdoing from back when all that seemed par for the course.

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I'm guessing they're going through Sir Cliff's whack stack looking for child porn.

The police are obviously looking for kiddie porn - on any format or device. They also know that in the wake of recent investigations that any senior celeb with something to hide, will have got rid of anything unsavoury by now - so I'd say this high profile news showing them arriving at Cliff's property, released in time for the main evening news, is their way of getting at him, as they may not have a case to take to court.

Sir Cliff, like Dirk Bogarde before him, is a british idol long believed to be gay and who can never come out in his lifetime, as like Bogarde he denied it all through his life and career.

The squarer than square Cliff has done quite well for himself what with his four homes - not only that luxury apartment, but his vineyard in Portugal and a mansion in Barbados, where he entertains the likes of the Tony Blairs -yes, he is that square.

Despite his records not being played on radio and he never cracked America. But the fraus and the mums and the grandmas love him, even if they all know deep down he is a little creepy with his ageless Peter Pan act. But he certainly kept going longer than his 50s contemporaries. It may be time for the Bachelor Boy to hang up his dancing shoes now ...

He has been living openly with men, one an ex-priest, for years, yet still denies he is gay!

Would anybody be surprised if this guy was some creepy pedo?

(chuckling wickedly)

[quote]the woman who ran it had a nickname for him, 'Gladys' I think it was.

Kitty. He would even sign the guestbook as 'Kitty'.

So, Richard's property was searched because of an alleged incident at a Billy Graham rally in 1985 - nothing to do with Elm House and the list Chris Fay created.

Instead, the accusations against Richards are about an alleged incident in a public place at an event which is a matter of public record that he attended.

The police in the UK are getting an awful lot of flack for having - apparently - notified the media to come and film them doing the search, for waiting until Cliff Richard was out of the country to conduct the raid, and also for infringing his privacy by revealing his name and details of the search even though he is not officially under suspicion and hasn't been arrested for anything. They claim the only reason they did this was because it might jog people's memory - as though most of the country doesn't know who Cliff Richards is.

The best thing Cliff Richard could do now is publicly come out as a gay man in a relationship with another - adult - man.

Seems the police did this to see if any other people came forward about underage incidents in the past with Cliff. Well, it worked with other other old celebs like Rolf Harris.

In other words, r47, their year-long investigation into Richard was not able to uncover any other alleged victims aside from the one at the Billy Graham rally in 1985.

It's reported that the police have received more information following the high profile search.

That wouldn't have happened had the police just relied on their discrete year-long investigation. Which, anyway, is a long time to spend looking into someone's past activities. They probably weren't wasting their time on an orchestrated campaign by malicious fantasists.

Sir C's name wasn't in the mainstream about this scandal because he had a super-injunction in place. The police and the BBC have now dramatically upped the stakes. I wonder if two such embattled organisations would have done that without a strong sense that it was worth pursuing.

All Sir C now needs to do is return home, hold a press conference, and proclaim his total innocence with regard to this and other allegations. He has his reputation to uphold, and might also consider legal recourse to clear his name. As the late Lord McAlpine did.

I say 'return home', but in recent years Sir C has gradually loosened his ties to the country which Knighted him: he is now I gather a citizen of Barbados - which doesn't have an extradition treaty with the UK.

He's currently in Portugal, r49, which definitely has an extradition treaty with the UK. The police and the BBC are currently flinging accusations at each other, so I doubt they had a strategy in place when they "upped the stakes".

It's always reported that there are many accusers of those who are being accused of child abuse, although very little transpires as a result. The police are at risk of undermining the serious work that needs to be done to get to the bottom of these protected pedophile networks, with these kinds of jinks. They are certainly at risk of losing the public trust. I do wonder why the police are being so boisterous and cack-handed with so much of what they're doing with these investigations.

If he's been living in Barbados for so long one wonders what the police were expecting to find in his British property. Oh, sorry, I forgot, they weren't expecting to find anything, it was all a tactic, in collusion with the BBC, to get more of Cliff Richard's victims to come forward. I wonder how far such a tactic fits adheres to due process.

Wonder if cases in UK and US will ever be addressed in real time, not 3 decades on? Coming from a supportive, loving middle class family did nothing for Johnie Gosch.

Daddy's home!

With respect R50, there's an apparent contradiction in your post:

[quote]The police and the BBC are currently flinging accusations at each other, so I doubt they had a strategy in place when they "upped the stakes".

[quote]Oh, sorry, I forgot, they weren't expecting to find anything, it was all a tactic, in collusion with the BBC, to get more of Cliff Richard's victims to come forward.

To repeat, all Sir C needs to do is meet the UK police, answer any and all allegations, ditto with the press, then consider his legal options like McAlpine.

The comedian Jimmy Tarbuck was under investigation for a long time following an allegation of abuse. He was exonerated. As he said, all the police found in the personal matter they took form his home was that he liked golf and football.

Sir C knows, given his devoted fan-base, that if and when he's exonerated, his reputation will only be enhanced, having faced and come through such damaging allegations at this stage in his life.

Could this be why Morrissey cancelled his NYC show, with Cliff campily tacked on as opening act? Moz did have Tom Jones open for him in LA, but bailed on Cliff. Maybe the Brit rock contingent knows Cliff is about to take a dive?

So is "square" a euphemism for pedo?

Are there any hetero Brits?

Bernie Taupin.

Lots of comment in the press about all this and as it seems Cliff has known for some months that the police were investigating this, then he has had ample time to ensure all his properties are kiddie-porn free.

I am just astonished that someone who has not even been interviewed or charged let alone arrested can have their reputation trashed like this as the police are shown searching his property, with overhead helicopter on hand to make it all more important, as they enter with surgical gloves, as though its a murder scene - as they investigate "an incident" that took place decades earlier in a different location, so what on earth would they expect to find here, as Cliff flits between his other homes. Maybe they should search the Barbados and Portuguese ones as well ?

Of course its all designed to see who else comes forward with something to tell, as if they can nab Sir Cliff he would be the biggest catch for them so far.

It's so funny how he won't talk anymore.

[quote]Their year-long investigation into Richard was not able to uncover any other alleged victims aside from the one at the Billy Graham rally in 1985.

EVERYONE is a victim at a Billy Graham rally.

I would be surprised if he was a child molester, by that I mean someone under a teen. For those who don't know, Cliff is famous everywhere but in the USA where he only had a few top ten hits.

But he is the British version of Elvis. Even in the USA he is the only artist to have charted songs in the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s.

He boosted the career of Olivia Newton-John enormously. When asked about his sexuality, he was asked if he loved Olivia, and he said, "Yes, I did, of course everyone who meets her falls in love with her."

Which sounds like a pretty gay thing to say.

R52, it's not a contradiction - it's called irony (the second sentence you quote, that is). It's satirising the ridiculous claim that the police and the BBC have "dramatically upped the stakes" and the naive belief that they had "a strong sense that it was worth pursuing".

Cliff's problem is that he could never find the "courage" to come out as a gay man, which has allowed those maliciously minded to create innuendo against him.

Much of the police behaviour in relation to the historical abuse claims is pretty out of order. It makes one wonder whether the police themselves are trying to bury something unsavoury that went on within their own ranks, hence they are causing distractions while pretending to be investigating the issue.

American elders will recall this one hit of Cliff Richard's that made the charts in America one summer long, long ago.....

Devil Woman.

Of course, I meant r53, it's not a contradiction...

R62

When I see the celebrity investigations, I'm also inclined to think, "Oh, anything to deflect attention from the grandees, judges and politicians who were/are involved."

Not Cliff Richard!

I think SPG is a stupid name for a hamster!

[You do realize that this is a troll, right? You might want to stop talking to it.]

Pedophiles in the British entertainment industry? What a vile slur.

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WHO?

It's been so long, you say I've had boys

And you're not happy that I had my enjoys

Now you feel strange and little bit gay

Well I can understand you feel that way

I'm just a little bit gay, just a little

Now I can see what's happen to you

I made you gay, but that's not true

And here's one thing you ought to know

Oooh hooo, I am a homo

You're just a little bit gay, just a little

Now you say you're willing to learn, but you need a man, a man to molest you 'cause you're just a little bit gay

Oh yeah, a little bit gay... You are...

A little bit like someone, you're now like me, you are gay...A little bit gay

I won't go into it all, but I've known Cliff Richards name was going to come out eventually.. Google "Cliff Richard Kitty Dando" There's a whole world of information there. Some of it has already come out. Some is teetering on the brink. When I first heard about all this stuff there had never been a whisper in the press. Wait and see ... This scandal is going bigger and bigger.

OMG. That was his crap song? He deserves everything he gets.

R3 who were the other people who were at the elm guest house?