Michael Jackson's maids on his "perversions" and "filth"

I relish stories about filth yet disparage and despise the filthy.

Jackson is called many things, but why can't people just admit he was mentally ill and never treated for it?

I've seen and heard of people who have a freaky obsession with dirty baby diapers. I wonder if he was one of those.

I used to no believe he was a child molester and it seemed he was picked on an sued for money. In the last few years however, I've come to believe he really was into young boys and likely a molester.

[quote]a creepy anti-Semite who would rant about how people like Steven Spielberg would end up in "Jew hell."

Boca?

[quote] empty bottles of wine and whiskey on the floor.

No wonder he whipped it out and peed in the foyer and wet himself. I thought he was only into prescription drugs. Didn't some kids say he plied them with "Jesus juice?"

I hope these maids didn't accept payment from the Post because the defendant's counsel will use it to challenge their credibility.

I read a biography on Jackson many years ago that left me horrified as to his upbringing. If even half of what was in it was true, I'm not surprised he had a few screws loose in the head. The guy was right. He didn't have a normal childhood. He didn't have a normal anything. And people wonder why he was strange. All that said and done, he was an uncommonly talented man, and I hope he's now at peace.

[quote]Jackson is called many things, but why can't people just admit he was mentally ill and never treated for it?

Black people will never admit anything was wrong with him. Just like white people with Elvis.

[quote]He didn't have a normal childhood. He didn't have a normal anything. And people wonder why he was strange. All that said and done, he was an uncommonly talented man, and I hope he's now at peace.

Yes, it wasn't "normal". He grew up in a mansion, toured the world first class, made millions of dollars, had to work doing what he loved, singing and dancing. There are children in the world right now working as sex slaves and living in horrifying poverty. Poor Michael Jackson.

We discussed this before on the Jesse Jackson, Jr. thread. There's far greater stigma in the black community about mental illness. It's far more acceptable to be an alcoholic or worse.

I'm sure it was that fine Gary Public Schools education....

Marry me, R3! You made me spit coffee onto my keyboard. :-)

He had insomnia- could it be he was suffering from severe exhaustion? Narcolepsy? Sleepwalking?

Nobody cared enough to find out.

R7 = Darfur orphan

R7 - I suggest you do a little research before you show your ignorance again. And for the record, even if his childhood WAS like that, that's still not exactly conducive to a healthy mental state.

Re: Jackson's comments and dislike of Jews. Wasn't he raised as a Jehovah's Witness and presumably kept at it as an adult? The JWs frown upon any religion except their own especially the big ones (Roman Catholicism, Judaism).

R14, I think its because in the entertainment industry you have to work with a lot of Jews - agents, manager, producers, and others who some artists see as being worthless leeches.

Michael was a typical sexual predator who thrived on other people's tendency to give him the benefit of the doubt. The evidence was there all along that he was a very sick man who sexually abused young boys and that greedy parents were in the habit of pimping their sons out to him because he was known to be shall we say a generous tipper.

If he had been accused and tried for the rape of little girls, he would have been alive and serving a prison sentence by now.

But he fucked little boys, so society gave him a pass.

At age five, Michael J was a healthy, normal child with a talent for music. Today, 20 years later, he lives in what observers describe as a "fantasy world", isolated physically behind tall gates and mentally in a Disney landscape, which he thinks is real. His favourite toy is an electric car modelled after Mr Toad's Wild Ride at Disneyland. "He has had no adult life," writes one journalist who has studied his case. His closest friends are animals ("I think they're sweet," he explains), including a pet boa constrictor ("Snakes are very misunderstood"), and several life-size mannequins. ("I surround myself with people I want to be my friends. And I can do that with mannequins. I'll talk to them.")

Michael J has developed weird androgynous looks and a high falsetto voice. He favours an eccentric half-military, half-debutante style of dress. His keepers deny that he takes female sex hormones, but admit that he's had plastic surgery to give his face a softer look. Does he mind appearing schizophrenic? "I don't mind. I feel I'm Peter Pan as well as Methuselah, and a child."

Doctor, what has happened to Michael J? What's happened is that Michael Jackson has become the most successful musical performer ever, if success is measured in dollars (as of course it is). His album Thriller has sold 31 million copies. His next tour is expected to gross $100m. He's bigger than Sinatra, Elvis, the Beatles, Jesus, Beethoven – all of them.

Michael Jackson's extreme abnormality is part of his act. Unless the media are perpetrating a gigantic hoax, it's also genuine. He's a freak. This total merging of person and performance is central to today's rock music, and for all I know, it's art. But is it life? Of course artists throughout history have sacrificed their lives, even their minds, for art. But two features of Michael Jackson's sacrifice make it different.

First, he never really had much of a choice. As soon as Joe Jackson realised that his sons (who became the Jackson 5) had musical talent, he began training them two to three hours a day. "They got a little upset at the beginning," he told Time magazine. Michael Jackson recalls in a paperback called The Michael Jackson Story: "When I was five, I was touring, singing and dancing. Always gone, always out of school." In 1968, when Michael was 10, the Jacksons were discovered by Berry Gordy of Motown, who moved them to Los Angeles. Michael, already clearly the star, lived for a year and a half with Diana Ross instead of his family. Published Jacksonalia contain some vague references to school, but the Jackson office in Hollywood refuses to give a straight answer about what schooling Michael had and how far he got.

At first, Motown marketed the Jacksons as a wholesome midwestern black family, and Michael as clean-cut and cute. During the 1970s, however, the image got funkier, especially after the family switched allegiances to a record division of CBS in 1976. During his teenage years, when most children face an incentive structure that encourages them to act mature and rational, Michael Jackson was getting positive feedback for remaining childlike (voice and all) and turning weird. (Age 19, 1977: "I love rats, you know. ... I really do feel like I'm talking to a friend when I play with them.")

This points up a second way Michael Jackson's sacrifice for art is different from, say, van Gogh's. Jackson's art is also big-time commerce. Corporations supervised his development, and even bigger corporations are making millions off of him: CBS (which features Jackson on the cover of its 1983 Annual Report), Pepsico (which has $50m riding on a Jackson ad campaign), Time Inc (which sells magazines by putting him repeatedly on its covers), and others. It's happened in front of millions of paying customers.

What's happened to Michael Jackson isn't too different from what they used to do to young male singers in Europe a few centuries ago, to keep their voices sweet. In another way, it resembles the exploitation of child stars like Judy Garland in the heyday of the Hollywood studios...

In fact, what American capitalism has done to Michael Jackson is even a bit like what the Soviets do to their women athletes.

A sickening cover story on Jackson in the 19 March issue of Time takes as its theme that there is something wonderful about being an incompetent human being. "Jackson's world of fantasy is easier to dismiss with malicious gossip than understand with sympathy," Time scolds. It quotes Steven Spielberg: "He's like a fawn in a burning forest." Describing Jackson "chatting and swapping gestures with ET," Spielberg reflects: "I wish we could all spend some time in his world." Jane Fonda reports on a week ostensibly spent talking with Jackson about "acting, life, everything. Africa. Issues." Her conclusion? "His intelligence is instinctual and emotional, like a child's. If any artist loses that childlikeness, you lose a lot of creative juice. So Michael creates around himself a world that protects his creativity." Time notes with approval: "His friends [sic] ... help him keep life at bay and illusion near at hand."

The only truly normal thing Time describes Jackson doing is listening to the soundtrack of Oklahoma. Of this, the magazine remarks defensively: "Jackson ... can rise above embarrassment on such matters of taste."

Yes, I know, it's hard to feel sorry for Michael Jackson. Millions of dollars and zillions of adoring fans, a huge party in New York at which, says Rolling Stone, "a procession of CBS executives" rises to declare fealty. If he wants a duplicate of the Disneyland "Pirates of the Caribbean" ride built in his house (and he does), he can have it. But how many CBS executives or editors of Time would want their own child, at age 25, to want such a thing, to be babbling about misunderstood snakes, to be "like a fawn in a burning forest"?

Michael Jackson supposedly is writing a book. Not an autobiography – "You know, he's not 40 years old," his agent explains – but rather a "statement" involving "pictures and drawings and poetry, and then a substantial text." His editor is Jacqueline Onassis.

Write, hell. Can Michael Jackson read?

There's never been any physical evidence or reliable account that he ever did anything to a boy's body- including his own male children.

Rumors could be true, but can you send people to prison for he said/she said?

[quote]I suggest you do a little research before you show your ignorance again. And for the record, even if his childhood WAS like that, that's still not exactly conducive to a healthy mental state.

And for the record it WAS like that and he used tit o lure children into his life as a the boy who had no childhood. Boo fucking hoo. Stop excusing him.

[quote]In fact, what American capitalism has done to Michael Jackson is even a bit like what the Soviets do to their women athletes.

I've never thought of it like that, but that seems like a pretty fair summation.

"There's never been any physical evidence or reliable account that he ever did anything to a boy's body- including his own male children."

Then why did he pay off Jordi Chandler to the tune of 20 million dollars? It was hush money. He DID do "things" to Jordi Chandler, and had to pay up to keep it quiet.

And as for the question "can Michael Jackson read?"...well no, I don't think he could. He was completely uneducated. I don't reading could have been very easy for him.

"A fawn in a burning forest." That's one of the most bizarre descriptions of another human being I've ever heard. But interestingly enough, it was probably true.

"I used to no believe he was a child molester and it seemed he was picked on an sued for money."

Yeah, that must be why all rich people are accused of child abuse! Oh, wait, they're not.

"There's never been any physical evidence or reliable account that he ever did anything to a boy's body- including his own male children."

The accounts WERE reliable, and many people have been put in jail for child abuse based on he/she said evidence. Most child abuse cases do not have any physical evidence. There was no physical evidence in the Jerry Sandusky case, either.

"But he fucked little boys, so society gave him a pass."

No, it's the opposite. If you like boys society sees you as a monster. If you like girls het men will defend you and say the girls were sluts who asked for it or liars. He got away with it because he's famous.

I recall that Jackson allegedly paid the boys off due to his attorneys urging; that being that the boys had enough that to make him look guilty even if he were not.

IMO, if anyone accused someone of sexual molestation of a child and you, the 'accused' knew that you hadn't done so, you'd think that you'd fight tooth & nail against such allegations to the end and not give in. It's like once the dye is cast.....

If Michael Jackson had anally raped a twelve-year-old boy in front of a thousand witnesses on live international television, and if licensed forensic specialists had immediately afterwards taken swabs from the boy's anus that were tested and proven to contain sperm from Michael Jackson's cock, there would still be people who would claim it was a hoax.

I don't think he ever had sex w/ the kids. I think he acted inappropriately with the kids, but I don't think he ever had sex with them.

"I think he acted inappropriately with the kids, but I don't think he ever had sex with them."

Because Michael was an INNOCENT ANGEL who never hurt kids because he was like a kid himself!

R3 W&W

Yes, Jackson was severely mentally ill, but had the wealth to have gone to the finest doctors, psychologists, and psychiatrists in the world. If he'd wanted to heal himself, he had the resources. But he didn't want to heal himself, he wanted to drown the pain in prescription drugs. And finally, he succeeded.

As for the peeing and pooing everywhere, it sounds like an act of infantilism, probably deliberate, regressive infantilism (as well as narcissism). Perhaps someone who studied developmental psych would disagree, but it sounds like he was deliberately behaving like a small child rather than a grownup, showing his power over the people who had to clean up after him, and with a bit of hostility towards his parents.

He really was a loathesome human being, even when you ignore the boy rapes.

Yet he's in Schvartzer Hell but I'm still standing.

You've heard about the 40 year old perv in the neighborhood where the kids would hang out and play video games, Neverland was Jackson's' X-Box

EXCELLENT points, R7.

[quote]But he fucked little boys, so society gave him a pass.

How awful.

When an article starts out calling him King of POOP you know it will be a doozy.

I don't believe any of this.

Another article says he called jizz "duck butter"

r38 was also an OJ jurist

I deny it all. It's made up. Just by looking at Michael and his life you could tell he was a normal, down-to-earth person. It's all racism. Because white people can't stand successful black people (even as they buy their music, imitations of their clothes, the products they shill, concert tickets…)

How many times I got to tells you? Billie Jean is NOT my lover.

Now, Little Billy Gene, well….

I thought Michael Jackson was an obsessive vegetarian? Why the chicken bones?

I thought he was a teetotaler, so why the beer and whiskey bottles?

I thought he was a religious Jehovah, so why did he do a big Christmas shopping spree filmed with Martin Bashir in the UK?

I thought he was fanatically clean (even afraid of breathing dirty air) so why piss and shit everywhere?

Nothing about him ever adds up to me. No interviewer ever asked good followup questions either, Oprah and Bashir let him say whatever bullshit he wanted and didn't call him on it.

Could somebody kindly explain the reference in R3?

"I thought Michael Jackson was an obsessive vegetarian? Why the chicken bones?"

His favorite meal was KFC, so that accounts for the chicken bones.

"I thought he was a teetotaler, so why the beer and whiskey bottles?"

He plied the young boys he lusted after with alcohol. He probably would partake himself, but I think the alcohol was mostly for the boys. It's easier to molest somebody when you get them drunk.

"I thought he was a religious Jehovah, so why did he do a big Christmas shopping spree filmed with Martin Bashir in the UK?"

The "devout Jehovah's Witness" was just a lot of hooey. He wanted the image of a "good" boy, and that was part of the act. I don't think Michael Jackson had any real religious faith at all.

"I thought he was fanatically clean (even afraid of breathing dirty air) so why piss and shit everywhere?'

I don't know if he was ever what you would call "fantastically clean", but mental illness and drug addiction will certainly make a person neglect their hygiene. I heard he would even shit in his pants and leave his soiled underwear lying around. Drug addicts tend to be nasty, and he was no exception.

"He plied the young boys he lusted after with alcohol. He probably would partake himself, but I think the alcohol was mostly for the boys. It's easier to molest somebody when you get them drunk."

No, he liked to drink - he was a drunk AND a druggie. Although I don't doubt that he gave booze to the boys.

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Yes, drug addicts are filthy. I heard that when a maid came in to clean the living quarters of Kurt Cobain and Courtney Love she screamed in horror "Satan lives here!"

He called wine Jesus Juice!

Courtney's name was on the lease.

[quote]I thought he was fanatically clean (even afraid of breathing dirty air) so why piss and shit everywhere?

Howard Hughes had a well-known germ phobia, but his personal hygiene was abysmal. He'd lock himself in a room for days and relieve himself in jars and bottles. It's the mental illness/addiction.

R44 - Boca Raton, FL. Hell on earth for Jews, apparently. I didn't get it at first as could only think of Boca burgers.

[quote]He plied the young boys he lusted after with alcohol.

He definitely knew where to find the boys AND the booze!

He was strange early on. When he filmed "Thriller" he was a horror movie fan and was very happy to do a homage. When it was finished he insisted on that silly opening credit saying he didn't indorse the occult. Director John Landis and producer George Folsey Jr wanted to release it into theaters, like the old days of the short subject before a feature film. Jackson absolutely refused, even after it became a sensation, no one knows why. It would have probably won the Oscar for Best Short subject.

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[quote[what American capitalism has done to Michael Jackson is even a bit like what the Soviets do to their women athletes.

Turned him into a man?

I don't buy the filth stories. Those are a lie. The simple fact remains no one has ever produced one solid piece of evidence against him. He could not be that clever to cover it all perfectly.

Sure he had issues, but as Gracie Allen said, "Well haven't we all."

I'm not mad at you Helga, I'm mad at the poopie!

I was good friends with a Capitol exec during the height of Jacko's fame/infamy. He talked very openly, intimately, about what the old man did to him as a kid. He pimped him out if you believe the stories, which I do. Very rich men would make appointments to meet Michael and spend some "personal" time with him. This was all when he was still a kid with the whole operation run by Joe Jackson. The way he put it, Jackson had a very talented mouth...but he didn't like his singing. The implication was stunning even though this city is FULL of pedophiles in power.

"I was good friends with a Capitol exec during the height of Jacko's fame/infamy. He talked very openly, intimately, about what the old man did to him as a kid. He pimped him out if you believe the stories, which I do. Very rich men would make appointments to meet Michael and spend some "personal" time with him."

You mean this guy openly shared the fact that he molested a young Michael with you? Uh huh. If he did that he certainly wouldn't share it. Did pigs fly that day, too?

"Those are a lie. The simple fact remains no one has ever produced one solid piece of evidence against him."

Bitch, there is plenty of evidence against him.

Bitch, there is plenty of evidence against him.

There's plenty of circumstantial and hearsay, but no "smoking gun".

How did Lisa Marie put up with him? I still don't get that relationship, it's not like she needed the money.

[quote]There's plenty of circumstantial and hearsay, but no "smoking gun".

Please justify or explain a forty something man sleeping with strangers children a private room please. This is a fact stated by Michael Jackson himself.

R65, Lisa really didn't put up with him, weren't they married for less than two years?

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"There's plenty of circumstantial and hearsay,"

What do you expect - DNA samples? Most child abuse cases do not involve any physical evidence.

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He had the cash to buy his way out of jail. It's not the first time and it won't be the last time. He was obviously a victim of abuse as a child and acted out as an adult. It's too bad none the leeches around him got him the treatment he needed.

I will never understand why people give Jackson a pass for his behaviour. He went on TV, in his 40s, and stated to camera that he slept with children, without their parents present, and that this , in his mind, was quite acceptable. Gavin Arvizo, then around 14, was snuggled up to Jackson, who told us he gave Gavin 'warm milk' and 'read him stories'. He described this as 'charming'.

A 44 year old man who acknowledges behaving in this inappropriate way with teenage boys , is quite obviously not willing to respect society's norms regarding how adults should behave around kids.

The cops found adult porn and various books containing naked images of kids in the bedroom where kids slept with him. Also alcohol. These are facts.

I think some people just cannot get past 'I enjoyed Thriller, so Jackson can't be a paedophile'.

[quote]How did Lisa Marie put up with him? I still don't get that relationship, it's not like she needed the money.

She was protecting her own fortune and freedom by marrying a man who demanded neither money nor sex from her.

[quote]She was protecting her own fortune and freedom by marrying a man who demanded neither money nor sex from her.

He was deeply in debt at the time, perhaps he saw the Presley fortune dangling before his eyes. His estate wasn't profitable until after his death.

You know how racist those Hispanic women are.

[quote]He had the cash to buy his way out of jail. It's not the first time and it won't be the last time.

Considering he's long since dead, I think it will be the last time.

How many of you defending Jackson on this thread also defend Cosby?

The evidence is the same in both cases.

Gross, and I believe every single word.

He might be guilty. I don't get why the parents of the boys who were sent to MJ's house weren't jailed as well.

r80, because there is no evidence that they knew for sure what was going on. Saying "They must have known" is not real evidence

I thought one of the kids back then came forward and said his dad told him to lie?

Bubbles knows the truth.

There wrere pictures of rooms in his house posted here shortly after he died and it really was filthy. I think it was a bathroom and it was just clutter and gross.

r82, no....Michael's fans just made that up.

[quote]If he had been accused and tried for the rape of little girls, he would have been alive and serving a prison sentence by now. But he fucked little boys, so society gave him a pass.

Funny, I was just thinking exactly the opposite about the Catholic Church, R17. Priests have been fucking little girls for hundreds of years and nobody cared. It was no scandal. Fuck little boys and it's not only a scandal, it's the end of the world.

I suppose it could always go either way, and does, depending on circumstance or the times or god knows what.

[quote]Rumors could be true, but can you send people to prison for he said/she said?

Yes of course, R20, don't be silly. You just have to decide whose testimony you find more credible. In the Jackson case there was more evidence against him than just one child's testimony anyway. There was a mountain of strong circumstantial evidence which, contrary to popular belief, can be considered just as strong as direct evidence in court.

But you know, with Jackson fanatics there's very little point in discussing the fact that he was a pedophile. They'll never believe it no matter how much or what kind of evidence exists. It's just not real to them.

You all hate him because he's black.

r87, don't be silly.

A man who used to go around wearing gloves and a surgical mask used to piss himself and not care about it? Try harder.

r89, Michael was as fake as fake gets

He's a freak. A superfreak.

FNo we hat him because he was a filthy black floor pisser who frequently shit his own pants.

He juss peess everwhere. He doan care. He wass a feelthy peeg.

[quote]But I'm sure all five of these women just made this shit up out of thin air and it's all a part of the massive conspiracy against him.

Or so they could cash in by selling their story to the press. The more lurid, the better. I'm sure he did plenty of weird things but a lot of it has been probably been said before, they needed something new.

He eat da poo poo, and he play wit de bed bug. He like to play wit dee little deeng dong too.

Wun time he wuss wearing my froot hat, and he wuss riding de elephànt neeked ! Dat boy ees loco!

"I'm sure he did plenty of weird things but a lot of it has been probably been said before, they needed something new."

Rule #1 of fanboys and fangurls - if someone says something about your favorite star that you don't like, accuse him/her of lying "for attention" or "for money"

I'm not a fan of him really, I just don't see why I should really believe tabloid gossip. I'd buy him buying a hoarder, and a drug addict (of course), but the rest of it is too over-the-top.

I think there's another aspect in play. Yes, he was mentally ill, but that illness fed his creativity. Had he gone into serious therapy, had he made progress toward maturity, would he have been able to stay the artist he was? Stay as creative as he was?

One part of me says he might have ended up a Stevie Wonder. Another, however, says he would have become bankrupt and spiritless.

Being a hoarder, I meant.

[quote]The evidence is the same in both cases.

Well, except, Jackson actually denied it. Cosby, well.........

r101, Jackson's denial was lame. "I'd never hurt a child!" Pedophiles always say stuff like that, because they think they are "loving" children by molesting them. Honestly, even Sandusky's denial was more convincing than Michael's.

He was a drug addict who died from an overdose. He was a fucking pervert/pedophile who couldn't keep his hands off little boys. If he had lived, he would have most likely bankrupted himself between drugs and lawsuits, and been reduced a series of guest appearances on "Celebrity Hoarders."

But again, R102, he still denied it. I'm not saying he didn't do it, but he denied it.

Cosby? Still waiting.

r104, Cosby denied it.

The world is a better place without Michael Jackson.

No more children were molested.

And, let's be honest: It's not as if he had any good music left in him.

R105 when did Cosby deny it?

The only thing I've ever read where he addressed it was him saying he wouldn't dignify it with a response.

That's not a denial.

But if you have a link to where he actually denied it, I'd appreciate you sharing it.

r107, he called his accusers liars

Cosby has always denied it, from the time he was first accused years ago.

R108 when did he call them liars? His wife called them liars. His daughter called them liars. His TV wife called them liars. When did he?

And calling them liars isn't the same as saying, "I did not do it." Did he say, "They are liars, I did not rape them?"

Cosby is so narcissistic and arrogant he thinks he is above even having to deny what he's done.

r110, go to tmz.com for tons of articles on this

Seriously, why do you care so much about this? You can deny committing a crime and still be guilty as hell.

Whatever happened to Robson's claims? was he denied money? did he get any? The story just disappeared.

r113, he is still in the process of litigation

On the advice of counsel, Cosby has been told not to address the rumors. He can only appear dismissive of them, as if it is beneath him to deny them outright.

If he does address the facts of the allegations, he will wind up lying and open himself up to a new offense of slander, which will get around the statue of limitations problem.

R112, obviously you can deny committing a crime and still be guilty as hell. Did I say that I didn't believe that MJ did it?

And no, Cosby never denied he raped the women. His Attorney called them liars. Cosby said he wouldn't talk about it.

NOT outright saying you didn't rape someone, to anyone with half a brain, says, "I'm not going to deny it because I'm afraid that someone out there has evidence that I did."

Cosby never himself denied raping those women. Agree with R116, he can't deny it because he knows there are so many that someone out there has something on him.

r115, no he wouldn't open himself up to slander, because the accusations are technically of the he said/she said variety. It wouldn't meet the burden for a slander case

Semantics. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure Cosby's meaning.

Seriously R112, why do you care so much about insisting Cosby denied it? Please provide some links, I can't find anything other than him not being willing to talk about it and his Attorney denying the Janice Dickinson rape.

Thanks, R114. That must cost a small fortune.

R118 knows nothing about the law.

R119 exactly. His meaning is, "I'm going to appear as though I'm denying it but I'm technically not because I know someone out there has some shit on me that will prove that the allegations are true."

r122, you know nothing about the law. Most criminals who commit crimes deny it. They do not fear slander or libel suits.

R120 = Camille Cosby, frantically searching for something she missed.

Anyone with half a brain knows Cosby's statement is a non-statement that says, "yeah, don't drink my espressos."

I am disgusted by you perverts, projecting your own sexual issues onto Michael. Those families were lying about Michael to make money and they will someday burn in Hell.

[quote]Most criminals who commit crimes deny it. They do not fear slander or libel suits.

And most criminals who commit crimes are not rich celebrities with deep pockets and the opportunity to nationally "publish" their counter-accusations, idiot.

Accusations of being a liar or slut are only privileged if they are kept in court.

He's guilty as fuck. I love how the black community accused Jackson of being too white and being a white wannabe and when the first accusation happened suddenly he turned "black" again.

In your own words, R129, what is "the black community"?

r129, a poll at the time of the trial showed that only about 50% of black people believed he was innocent....some black people defended him but many did not.

Michael's already down their doing the "HellWalk." R127

R127 = Janet, Tito, & Germaine

I saw him perform in Lausanne Switzerland in the 1990s. He was fantastic.

All the rest. Meh. Nothing has been proved either way.

He was the filthiest person in the world. I relinquish my crown.

[quote]doo-doo snowballs

This made me giggle.

He had a real poop obsession, didn't he?

People don't understand germaphobes who suffer from anxiety and OCD. Their germs don't bother them, only other people's germs. My father was one. Allergic to everything, hypochondriac. But he was filthy. My mother made him use a second bathroom because he was such a pig. Urine sprayed everywhere and he wouldn't clean it and would track it around the house. But it was HIS urine so that was OK with him. He would freak out if anyone around him was sick but he sure didn't care being around other people if he was sick.

R87, he may have started out black but by the time he died, that was a white lady.

So true R138, I've known some exactly like that as well. People have a hard time accepting that someone as successful, talented, and famous as Michael Jackson is anything other than normal. Things like the maids' accusations are unbelievable to them as they cannot fathom a normal person behaving this way...except Michael was anything but normal. Michael was so delusional that he actually believed he could get on camera and convince the whole world (Bashir documentary) that what he was doing with those young boys was totally normal and loving. The fact that he only admitted to 1 or 2 nose jobs should have been enough of a clue that he is a LIAR of epic proportion.

And Michael was indeed obsessed with feces. Was it here on DL in another thread, or somewhere else, that I read about how he liked to "paint his bedsheets with his own feces" in hotel rooms? He would write words and draw pictures with it. I think it was an assistant who used to sneak in and bag up the soiled linens after he had left the room so that nobody could document it.

You are all liars. Shame on you all. The King did not deserve this.

I have seen filth!

I don't even want to talk about it.

Why is it so hard to understand that he was a life-long drug addict?

Most drug addicts are dirty people, especially the famous ones, because they have hired help to clean up after them.

I have stories about some very famous people who were druggies and how dirty they were--yuck, but I won't tell you guys because these people deserve some privacy, as they haven't harmed me.

Perhaps we all should stop and take note of the significance of the fact that the people who deny the simple and well-documented facts of Mr. Jackson's behavior tend to fall into a particular demographic.

Does this mean that Mr. Jackson's behavior - filthy, nasty, manipulative, perverse, ignorant and dishonest - is the norm for members of this group, and therefore nothing they see as unusual?

Or does it mean that they are so fragile and deluded that they think they can alter reality by jumping up and down and waving their arms, because for some reason Mr. Jackson's deplorable behavior is something they feel they must defend, regardless of the facts?

r143 dish. Give us examples at least and let us guess.

Lisa Marie P getting a mention above made me remember a dragqueen in Pieces in NYC called Big Blanche who cracked 'The only way Michael JAckson is going to fuck her is if she dresses up as a Power Ranger.'

My friend's sister is similar r138. She will wash a pear for a full minute before she eats it but doesnt do a dish unless she abdolutely has to. She freely admits she hasn't mopped the floor in at least two years but washes her hands obsessively. She has two showers a day but doesn't ever wash her hair. The only reason she doesn't live in complete squalor is because her boyfriend does a bit of cleaning up. For a while they had a woman come in to clean but naturally she asked for more money since she arrived to abject filth every week, but they didn't want to pay her more so that was the end of that.

She's not as bad as Michael Jackson, probably because she doesn't have addictions, but if she developed drug and alcohol problems like he did I can imagine it could easily slide into that.

[quote]“Then, if you said something, he’d threaten to make doo-doo snowballs and throw it at you.”

This is cracking me the fuck up.

That was my response R148. I can still read it and laugh.

R141 people like you who claim to be fans made his already ruined life worse. Your refusal to treat him like a person instead of a demi god meant that his life could never be normal. People like you who burst into tears and screamed in his presence meant he could never have a friend because no one treated him normally. In the end he surrounded himself with kids to recapture a youth that was stolen from him. He medicated himself to blank out the horrible reality that his life has become. A very famous, very lonely man with an unnatural relationship with small boys and drugs. His family sold him to the music industry at age 8 and every time one of his "fans" bought one of his albums they condemned him further as a slave to an industry that was ruining him. People like you contributed to the misery and helped a talented kid become a crazy sicko by continuing to fund the life that was driving him mad. You are like a long distance enabler. You aren't a fan, you used him like everyone else. He wasn't the king of anything, he was a person with very serious issues. YOU and his other die hard fans should be ashamed of yourselves.

[quote]The King of Pop is once again slated to collaborate with music producer Quincy Jones, in what is sure to become the most anticipated album of the century! Slated for a Christmas release, "Doo Doo Snowballs" will feature duets with Diana Ross, Patti Labelle, Liza Minnelli. Special Guest guitarist Eric Clapton also co-wrote one of the featured songs on the album, "Baby Over the Balcony, Baby Out the Window".

Yes, in California, you can send people to prison for molestation based on nothing more than testimony. I've seen it happen. The system can be abused.

R145,

I really can't dish, it's not in me to speak poorly of someone who has not harmed me.

But I do find it ironic that the celebs I am thinking of were marketed as sex symbols LOL if the fangurls only knew....

Michael Molester also used to save the first dirty diaper from each of his nephews and nieces (and I presume his children) as a "souvenir." Or maybe a snack?

R87

"You all hate him because he's black"

He hated himself because he was black.

How the hell did this thread get hijacked to talk about Cosby?

The vile Joe Jackson is also said to have sexually abused Rebbie and La Toya. I actually believe La Toya's revelations before she recanted and blamed them on her violent, abusive ex.

r157, La Toya also claimed she saw Michael writing a large check to the family of one his victims. Like you, I believe she was telling the truth before she did a "take back"

Live, from Tel Aviv!

[quote]Jackson is called many things, but why can't people just admit he was mentally ill and never treated for it?

Mentally Ill + Poor = "Batshit Crazy"

Mentally Ill + Money = "Eccentric"

[You do realize that this is a troll, right? You might want to stop talking to it.]

not telling a gossip because the celebrities "have not harmed me" is the new black in Datalounge

I read an article about Jimmy Safechuck the other day. MJ screwed him up really bad. Wade too.

King of poop

[quote] She will wash a pear for a full minute before she eats it but doesnt do a dish unless she absolutely has to. She freely admits she hasn't mopped the floor in at least two years but washes her hands obsessively. She has two showers a day but doesn't ever wash her hair. The only reason she doesn't live in complete squalor is because her boyfriend does a bit of cleaning up.

Ah, I see, "the godless wench doesn't keep the household to the Master's standards nor attire herself in a manner befitting a good little housewife". Looks like we've found today's misogynist, hmmm?

Yes this is an old thread but I was searching and found it, and none of this surprises me, and yeah MJ was a pedo.

Yes, he was, r169. Disturbed man.

Does Paris have memories of living with this filth?

Why are some old threads closed and others are still open, like this one? Anyway, this was a crazy story. I wonder why we haven’t heard from these maids since, or any of the boys who have tried to sue,like Jimmy Safechuck and that female accuser. Also, I think the “germaphobe”thing with MJ was just part of his fake image. He wasn’t really like that in real life.

who knew Michael was German

R173, German? He was black, but I would not be surprised if like a lot of other black American pop stars and celebrities he wanted to pretend he was European, mixed race/bi-racial, or a light skinned black person. I also saw someone like this on ancestry.com who is Malaysian and they want to pretend they are European and related to Charlemagne/Karl der Große, and claim to have traced back their ancestry to times when the records do not exist like 600BC and that they are related to King David of Isarel. This person also claims they have a PhD. and work for a South Asian government.

I think the "German" thing was a poop joke, R174.

Germans (the ones who live in Germany, anyway) are reputed to be very fond of their poop. Their toilets apparently even have some sort of shelf inside where the poop lands upon being shat out, so that the former owner may inspect it before flushing it away.

More about the "doo doo balls" please.

Have a friend in common with Sandy Gallin who said Jacko's ultimate fantasy was to be stripped naked, led through the streets chained and have angry people fling feces at him.

He had a real persecution complex.

[quote]doo-doo snowballs

It don't matter if they're black or white

Hee-hee

R175 huh? That's not true at all, both about German people, or about toilets there.

R178 your visits to the datalounge will be far less confusing for you if you keep in mind that 85% of posters live in the central United States, do not own a passport, have never left the United States, and consider Orlando, Florida a long-haul vacation.

^ teeheehee so true

[QUOTE]"He was surprisingly very anti-Semitic. "

No surprise there, even though he tried to excuse the lyrics in that one song of his.

home footage

Quincy Jones’ nickname for Michael was Smelly. It all makes sense now,

He sounds like a particularly difficult three year old.

Fuck this perv. He was talented AF, but he was also sick AF.

I’m glad he’s dead. He was a danger to any community he lived in, and the textbook definition of a pedo, but with money and fame.

Always with the dancing

He was a misunderstood manchild like me.

I find it funny that the maids are complaining about having to do their jobs. What did they think they were hired for?

How the fuck are you a maid and bitching about cleaning up a mess?