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Quinnipiac Poll: Obama Worst President Since WWII

Obama 33%

George W 28%

Nixon 13%

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by Anonymousreply 257September 1, 2021 7:45 PM

The BEST since WWII:

Ronald Reagan 35%

Bill Clinton 18%

John F Kennedy 15%

by Anonymousreply 1July 3, 2014 6:12 PM

People are stupid and fickle.

by Anonymousreply 2July 3, 2014 6:13 PM

As soon as I saw the polling firm, I dismissed their bogus findings.

by Anonymousreply 3July 3, 2014 6:47 PM

[bold]Why You Should Ignore The Latest Poll About Obama[/bold]

There’s a new Quinnipiac Poll that came out Wednesday which is getting a lot of attention. The poll says that Barack Obama is the worst President since WWII. It sounds a little shocking, I know. But, let me explain to you why you should pay absolutely no attention to this poll.

First of all, what we can agree on is that the President’s approval ratings are not so good. His popularity starting going down following the last election. And now most polls say that his approval rating is somewhere between 40%-45%. But any attempt at translating those numbers into him being the worst President we’ve had in the last 69 years is just ridiculous.

One thing that this poll does show is something that most of are well aware of….we are more politically polarized today than we’ve ever been before. The answers that Dems gave versus those given by Repubs were polar opposites. Another interesting thing about this poll is that it shows that Conservatives are far more unified than the Liberals.

Seriously, if there are two things that Conservatives are together on, it’s their worship of Ronald Reagan and their hatred of Barack Obama. So naturally this poll shows that.

When asked about the BEST President, Conservatives voted for Reagan by 66%. No one else got more than 6%. And when they were asked who the WORST President was, they voted for Obama by 63%. Jimmy Carter got 14%, but no one else got better than 5%.

Now Dems on the other hand, didn’t come together with their answers. When asked who the BEST President was, the vote was split between Bill Clinton (34%), Barack Obama (18%), and John Kennedy (18%). The Dems also split their vote for WORST President. They voted George W. Bush (54%) and Richard Nixon (20%).

So when you look at these poll results you must take into account that with the Repubs united and the Dems split, the Repub answers will win. That’s how the “best” President is Reagan and the “worst” is Obama. And honestly, even if Obama’s approval numbers were higher right now, I think that this would still be the result of this poll. The right collectively hate this POTUS. And they will continue to hate him no matter what he accomplishes.

These results could also be a matter of the choices. On the Dem side, there were several good Presidents to pick from. Besides Obama, Clinton, and Kennedy, one could also make a good case for Lyndon Johnson or Harry Truman.

But when you look at the Republican Presidents since WWII, it’s sorta slim pickins. I mean, come on….No one was going to choose Nixon or Ford. And both Bushes were very unpopular while they were in office. Dwight Eisenhower was actually great President, but his views and policies are no longer part of modern day Conservatism. Plus, seriously, do you really expect today’s Conservatives to have any knowledge of a President from the 1950s??

Another thing that you must consider about this poll is that every POTUS gets a bump in their approval rating after they leave office. Yes, even Bush. But Obama hasn’t had that post-Presidency boost yet. Also with all of our modern day Presidents, the 6th year is always the worst for public approval. As a matter of fact, when Bush was in office, and this same poll came out, Americans rated Bush as the worst President with 34%. Obama got 33% in this one.

President Obama still has two years left in office, and only time will tell how he is judged by history. But my guess is that 8 years from now, when Quinnipiac puts out their new poll, it will be Hillary Clinton who the righties are hating en masse.

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by Anonymousreply 4July 3, 2014 6:53 PM

Of course you did, R3, but Quinnipiac is middle of the road.... if not a little left.

by Anonymousreply 5July 3, 2014 6:54 PM

A little context:

In 2006, when W was president, a similar poll named him as the worst president since 1945.

In 2000, during the waning months of the Clinton administration, poll respondents said he was second only to Nixon as the worst president since WWII.

And as R1 points out, this same poll overwhelmingly anoints Reagan as the best president since WWII. That alone tells you the findings can't be taken seriously.

by Anonymousreply 6July 3, 2014 6:58 PM

Nice try R4 but,

"Seriously, if there are two things that Conservatives are together on, it’s their worship of Ronald Reagan and their hatred of Barack Obama. So naturally this poll shows that."

The opposite is also completely true. Ever read the DL?

by Anonymousreply 7July 3, 2014 8:19 PM

R7, no... do YOU ever read DL? Hate is split between Reagan and Dubbya, and love is split between Obama and Clinton.

Duh.

by Anonymousreply 8July 3, 2014 9:09 PM

Polling periods aren't supposed to be trusted when they go beyond three days. This one is seven consecutive days of June 24 to June 30.

Has anyone noticed the sample sizes of those polled? The self-identified Republicans; self-identified Democrats; self identified Independents; the voting-age groups; the genders? What I've noticed is percentages from them with answers to each question. I didn't see the size from each demographic represented in this poll.

by Anonymousreply 9July 3, 2014 11:30 PM

If something doesn't fit into r3's limited view of the world, it's "bogus."

by Anonymousreply 10July 3, 2014 11:34 PM

Bullshit poll as R4 points out.

by Anonymousreply 11July 3, 2014 11:48 PM

Yep. The usual presidential ratings that hate the one who's in power. Quelle surprise.

More telling is the fact that any poll putting Reagan at the top is a poll of utter morons. He was a very bad president.

by Anonymousreply 12July 3, 2014 11:55 PM

What a stupid poll.

Obama is worse than George Bush? Worse than Nixon? Worse than Carter? And Ronald Reagan, that idiot to end all idiots (at least until George Bush csme along) is the BEST? Jesus!

by Anonymousreply 13July 4, 2014 12:52 AM

But who did they pick for American Idol?

This poll means nothing.

by Anonymousreply 14July 4, 2014 1:04 AM

It is a badly designed poll.

by Anonymousreply 15July 4, 2014 1:08 AM

It's a Quinnipiac poll -- IGNORE it.

It's shite from the outset.

by Anonymousreply 16July 4, 2014 1:19 AM

I don't think ANY president has been as bad as WWII.

by Anonymousreply 17July 4, 2014 1:19 AM

I am so sorry I do not understand Americans. From where i come from,Australia, Obama seems like a poster boy for all that is good about America. This is so sad that someone so well respected around the world is so disliked in his own country. :(

by Anonymousreply 18July 4, 2014 4:03 AM

W&W for R17! ROFL!

by Anonymousreply 19July 4, 2014 4:25 AM

R18, we are a nation divided. Half of us like him, our proud of many things he's done and understand he, like any president, has had a few missteps.

For the other half, he could solve world hunger and he'd still be worthless.

by Anonymousreply 20July 4, 2014 4:59 AM

Bad poll.

by Anonymousreply 21July 4, 2014 5:20 AM

Bushes the worst ever!

by Anonymousreply 22July 4, 2014 5:20 AM

The only reason Obama stopped standing in the way of gay marriage was because he needed the votes after betraying all the black people who came out for him in 2008

by Anonymousreply 23July 4, 2014 5:29 AM

(rolling eyes at R23)

by Anonymousreply 24July 4, 2014 5:40 AM

What R20 said.

When you see dumbasses claim that this president is worse than the one before him knowing full-well we can actually list the things Bush did while they use their delusions of what Obama has done to claim he was the worst, then you know you're not dealing with the brightest bulbs.

by Anonymousreply 25July 4, 2014 5:56 AM

Obama is an academic with little practical experience. He hasn't learned anything from his predecessors. He can't get anything through congress. Clinton did. LBJ did. He takes no responsibility for any of the bad things that have happened during his administration. He blames the republicans, Fox news or anyone else. "The buck stops here" is foreign to him, The many scandals that are continuing to pile up: Benghazi, IRS, VA, NSA, ad infinitum.

The republican and democratic response is not at all surprising. The independents are what should be shocking obama. Unfortunately it isn't in his nature to change.

by Anonymousreply 26July 4, 2014 8:07 AM

Reagan was a traitor, and I wish Democrats would brand him as such publicly.

by Anonymousreply 27July 4, 2014 8:10 AM

I swear, I think every single president since Clinton (the first president I was old enough to vote for) has been branded "worst ever" by a poll, and always toward the end of their term(s).

Obama hasn't been the worst ever. Liberals are disappointed in him and Repubs hate him because he's A Scary Negro Secret Muslim Socialist (tm). But worst ever isn't even close. Do you not remember the shit W did, everything from Free Speech Zones to stolen elections to lying to all of us for an unnecessary war?

I'd vote for Obama again, no question.

by Anonymousreply 28July 4, 2014 8:21 AM

Reagan committed treason. He bargained with terrorists on multiple occasions.

He funded Al Qaeda, invited Taliban officials to the White House, & conspired with the Ayatollah of Iran to release the hostages. And this is just the tip of the iceberg. He should have been the one impeached instead of Nixon.

Yet asshats from Bumfuck, USA are the ones who who worship that ghoul as a noble American hero.

by Anonymousreply 29July 4, 2014 8:49 AM

The poll was a phone poll if I remember correctly. Phone polls skew to older individuals as they are home during the times of the calls and are likely to have landlines instead of only cell phones like the younger generation. The results of phone polls are not a true representation as they skew more conservative.

by Anonymousreply 30July 4, 2014 11:32 AM

The Quinnipiac Poll has a good reputation and is not only done by phone.

by Anonymousreply 31July 4, 2014 1:32 PM

No, R20,"half of us" do not like him. As this poll and many others show, only about one-third like him, and even that's only because he has 100% support of blacks.

by Anonymousreply 32July 4, 2014 4:05 PM

The American ppl are finally catching on.

by Anonymousreply 33July 4, 2014 4:08 PM

Quinnipiac is a right wing, skewed poll, always has been.

When you only poll the wing nuts, you get a wing nut response.

by Anonymousreply 34July 4, 2014 4:18 PM

I believe the Crooks and Liars analysis:

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by Anonymousreply 35July 4, 2014 4:23 PM

You always here about polls done by Quinnipiac University in CT. How did this unknown Div III school become such a force in politics? Does being a poly-sci major at Quinnipiac amount to being a full time call center employee if most of the school's press and research grants come from conducting these polls around election cycles? More importantly who is paying for all of these polls? Are our tax dollars going to fund these polls which just end up as USA Today blurbs and filler fluff? If I were a student at Quinnipiac, I would feel really ill used paying so much money to attend ($55,160 per year according to the school's web site) and being asked to cold call strangers to gauge their opinions on politics when 90% are low info voters who know nothing, and end up if you are lucky just parroting the talking points put out by the controlled media's talking heads with less eloquence and sophistication. I hope they (the students) are being paid well to do this shit work, because if the school is conducting these polls using free student labor, and pocketing the money it would amount to a huge waste of $200k for an education.

by Anonymousreply 36July 4, 2014 4:48 PM

When you look at the crosstabs, the truth emerges. 35% of the poll respondents were older white voters, who are going to lean conservative. And then you look at it and see that 33% rate Obama the worst president since WWII... coincidence? Hardly.

Look, we get it. The country is polarized. Why? Because old white people see their influence slipping away as the country grows more diverse and brown. You see it in the crazy people in Murretta California betraying the principles of our country, screaming for the tired, poor, huddled masses to "go home" regardless of the facts. You see it in John McCain's face as he rants on the floor of the Senate about how we should have never left Iraq. You especially see it in the reactions of people when they are asked to rate the job the president is doing, when he can't get anything through Congress, not even the bills that republicans sponsor and then refuse to vote for.

One of the bad memories of Vietnam comes to mind: "We had to destroy the village to save it." You see that exact mindset writ large across the country today. Republicans are willing to destroy the US before they let Obama have a single victory. And the frustrating part is that the majority of the country is so disengaged with politics -- not that you can blame them -- that they can't see what's really going on. The republican playbook for the past 50 years is to disrupt the functioning of government and then turn around and point to the dysfunction and say that government doesn't work. Dumb down the American people to the point that they can barely function and then wonder why no one understands how things work. It's a brilliant, if cynical, strategy.

As to R26's assertion regarding mounting scandals: please, bitch. Don't insult our intelligence (and based on the commentary here on DL, we are a pretty intelligent group). The VA problems have been ongoing for decades, and Bush's folly in Iraq (you remember that war that was il conceived, il-planned, and incompetently run) added tens of thousands of veterans to the roles. And then when Bernie Sanders proposed additional funding to solve the crisis, Republicans filibustered. The Benghazi scandal? The real scandal is that republicans in the House refused to appropriate security funding, not what Susan Rice said on TV after the fact. The IRS? It is well documented that they were merely doing their jobs, and reviewed all applications for tax exempt groups equally, only denied one group -- a liberal group -- and Darrel Issa specifically directed the investigators to ONLY look at tea party groups' complaints and ignore any liberal or progressive groups complaints. And don't get me started on the Bush/Cheney/NSA fiasco.

And the unplugged, political-weary public takes the simpleton view that Obama lives in a vacuum and is wholly responsible for all of the mounting decades of crap amassed by a recalcitrant Republican Party that only has one tiny group to serve: the 1% who own everything.

by Anonymousreply 37July 4, 2014 4:52 PM

[quote]that only has one tiny group to serve: the 1% who own everything.

You mean the 1% like me?

by Anonymousreply 38July 4, 2014 5:00 PM

Spin Spin Spin Spin

by Anonymousreply 39July 4, 2014 5:28 PM

I thank God that Obama didn't have the special prosecutor's statute or we would all e mired in the investigation of his vacations. Ahem, same went for Dubya.

by Anonymousreply 40July 4, 2014 5:35 PM

Why, yes, Hillary, just like you.

by Anonymousreply 41July 4, 2014 6:20 PM

[quote]even that's only because he has 100% support of blacks.

He doesn't -- their fortune as a whole is even worse now than under W

by Anonymousreply 42July 4, 2014 6:43 PM

This is just further proof of how utterly stupid the average American is. How many can name the Vice President or the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court?

by Anonymousreply 43July 4, 2014 7:02 PM

Was there this much wailing and repudiation of Q's 2006 poll that had Bush in the exact same situation?

Obama was the junior Senator from Illinois. He's a great campaigner, he's likeable, and had the intangible of promising to heal America's Black/White family drama.

He's an unexceptional president, especially in his second term. The nation has Obama fatigue.

R18 foreigners like you can enjoy the celebrity optics. Obama's record, especially for someone who had the White House, Senate and House in his hand, is thin. He neglects the nuts and bolts of politics, economics, in favor of grandiose talk about remaking America.

He was carried to third base, but thought be hit a triple. Believed his own hype.

Nice man, indifferent executive. No use trashing the poll, unless you did so in 2006.

by Anonymousreply 44July 4, 2014 7:13 PM

R44 = the king of false equivalency

by Anonymousreply 45July 4, 2014 7:16 PM

[quote]Obama was the junior Senator from Illinois. He's a great campaigner, he's likeable

No -- he wasn't scary. Big difference.

Jesse Jackson scared (scares) white people.

by Anonymousreply 46July 4, 2014 7:18 PM

No one is taking this poll seriously.

by Anonymousreply 47July 4, 2014 7:22 PM

I like him. I don't like his wife.

by Anonymousreply 48July 4, 2014 7:29 PM

R46 Carol Moseley Braun was a Black Illinois Senator. She didn't "scare white people", she just lacked Obama's narrative, likeability, presence. She wouldn't have had the rock-star surge that swept Obama past Hillary into office. Oprah-anointed!

It was too easy for Obama. That's why he's floundering, and that's what this poll reflects. Novelty gone, Obama is just another talking head. A less swarthy Dukakis.

Jesse Jackson doesn't scare anyone, save the corporations he extorts in his racial protection racket shakedowns.

The people trashing the poll are acting like Sciencos out to silence people criticizing L Ron Hubbard...

by Anonymousreply 49July 4, 2014 7:46 PM

Someone hand me a fly-swatter for R49.

by Anonymousreply 50July 4, 2014 7:51 PM

Obama isn't "floundering".

He's faced the most unprecedented obstructionism and lack of cooperation of any President in history... the most attempts at sabotage, and the most relentlessly false media narratives of any President in history. And in SPITE of that, he's gotten a ton of good shit done.

[quote]The people trashing the poll are acting like Sciencos out to silence people criticizing L Ron Hubbard...

And that is just the biggest load of horse-shit in this thread.

by Anonymousreply 51July 4, 2014 7:52 PM

R52 Abraham Lincoln sez "guurrl, please!!"

Cognitive dissonance is not yiur friend.

by Anonymousreply 52July 4, 2014 7:57 PM

obama set the tone in his first two years. obamacare was established with pilosi and reid with the Republicans totally out of the picture. obama was spanked at the mid term elections by the voters. It's mostly obama's ineptitude and inability to work with anyone who doesn't share his bizarre vision of what this country should be. He truly is the worst president in modern times.

by Anonymousreply 53July 4, 2014 7:58 PM

No, R53, it's Obama furthering the agenda that got him elected. As promised.

You know those very strange people who witness petulant Republicans break their necks to reject any and everything initiated by Obama for 6 years and turn around and say Obama can't work with people.

What specific kind of delusional disorder is that?

by Anonymousreply 54July 4, 2014 8:03 PM

You know what Obama has done in the world is turn around the perception of the American of an ignorant, arrogant,gun crazy culture and made it seem intelligent, liberal, educated and make America look like a land of hope.

Sadly a string of Bushes and Reagans are what the country seems to desire, so the world has to look on appalled as another right wing nutjob gets pushed into office.

What a bloody sad situation.

by Anonymousreply 55July 4, 2014 8:09 PM

R55, The message of failure is driven by the same folks that had Romney winning the election in a landslide. Don't be fooled again. And don't give up hope.

by Anonymousreply 56July 4, 2014 8:13 PM

R26 is funny to reference "the many scandals that are continuing to pile up (on Obama), and then mentions Benghazi and the IRS! Lord, we need a few old fashioned real-scandals to remind people the difference between something that really is scandalous, and these events. Watergate was a scandal. The Iran-Contra matter was a scandal. The lack of Iraq weapons of mass destruction was a scandal. The failure to catch Osama bin Laden was a scandal. These were major crimes and/or gross negligence.

The ridiculous things with which the Right tries to tar Obama just demonstrates how scandal-free his administration has actually been.

by Anonymousreply 57July 4, 2014 8:15 PM

R54 Obama got elected on narrative and personality, carried by the media, not agenda.

First against Hillary. McCain hardly campaigned agaibst him.

But Hillary had the experience of politics, with the same agenda.

Obama was a cypher with a "waa waa Daddy left me" autobiography, and some vague aura of healing racism.

That got him elected, not any agenda. And his lack of any experience at being anything other than an orator has resulted in a President from whom his own own party is distacing itself.

An amiable, forgettable failure.

by Anonymousreply 58July 4, 2014 8:19 PM

We ought to credit the Obama administration for catching the guy who apparently led the attach on the CIA post in Benghazi. It was a gutsy move on Obama's part to issue the go-ahead order. If we lost 10 men in the operation, and the perp got away, he'd be bogged down in relentless attacks by Republican opportunists for the next two years, or longer. It would have damaged his Presidency the way "Blackhawk Down" damaged Jimmy Carter's. The "safe" thing would have been to let the perp get away with it, like Bush did with Osama, but Obama once again demonstrated the kind of leadership that makes me very proud that he is my president.

by Anonymousreply 59July 4, 2014 8:22 PM

First "failure" to be voted twice into office. And would likely be voted a third time, if possible.

Nice try.

by Anonymousreply 60July 4, 2014 8:23 PM

R55. Yes, the people in Syria gassed to death behind Obama's red line were saying how cultured, liberal, and snazzy the US seems now, and in their dying breath thanked Allah that snobs in the best faculty lounges in Sydney now approve of the US, and...oh, look, the new Caliph says "heck of a job, Barry! Keep up the good work"

by Anonymousreply 61July 4, 2014 8:26 PM

R59 also credit them for outing tbe CIA chief in Afghanistan by naming him AS SUCH in the guest list to their PR event. Valerue Plametastic.

Man, Datalounge is like SeaOrg for Obamantologists.

by Anonymousreply 62July 4, 2014 8:30 PM

He can't campaign any more. We just have to get throughout a couple of years of national malaise, while Obama and his Wall Street buddies get rich off of torrents of printed dollars, while the middle class deals with dimished purchasing power and paying for the freebies Obama promised to get people at the polls.

by Anonymousreply 63July 4, 2014 8:42 PM

Your right r61. If only he had a daddy that he wanted to defend like Bush, those gassings would never have happened and America could fight another Freedom war like Iraq and find more weapons of mass misinformation! !. You are so clever.Lets go back to Bush. That was the age of true enlightenment.

by Anonymousreply 64July 4, 2014 8:53 PM

lol exactly, R64.

by Anonymousreply 65July 4, 2014 8:55 PM

R64 Obama's daddy issues about being abandoned by Barack Sr are enough, thanks

by Anonymousreply 66July 4, 2014 8:59 PM

Asking Americans to rate presidents it like asking them to explain nuclear power. They don't understand the question.

by Anonymousreply 67July 4, 2014 9:02 PM

You can't just say "Bush!" to wave away any and all critical assessments of the administration. It's lazy, tired, and played out.

It'll never get played out with those of you in Obamantology's Sea Org, of course. That's why you DO react like clams trashing Leah Rimini to even tge mildest dissent.

by Anonymousreply 68July 4, 2014 9:04 PM

Quinnipiac poll originally asked 'worst in history' and obama won that one too. We're number one! Michelle says she won't be happy til steak is$50 anf gasoline $20 a gallon and minorities and illegals run the country. Honey, we're almost there. That's what we deserve for hiring a straight D student with 7 Fs on his Columbia transcript.

by Anonymousreply 69July 4, 2014 9:04 PM

[quote]steak is$50

Huh?

by Anonymousreply 70July 4, 2014 9:07 PM

[quote] a straight D student with 7 Fs on his Columbia transcript

Wait -- what?

by Anonymousreply 71July 4, 2014 9:07 PM

Obama is unable to handle the job and it's clear he doesn't want to be President. I hate to say it, but we all might be better off if he just resigned. As bad as Nixon was, at least he resigned for the good of the country.

by Anonymousreply 72July 4, 2014 9:10 PM

Do the Republicans realize their party is essentially dead?

If an election were held tomorrow against "Worst Prez" Obama and any GOP candidate...he'd still handily win.

What does that say about them? LOL

by Anonymousreply 73July 4, 2014 9:10 PM

Michelle will -never- be happy, R71. Sour by nature.

by Anonymousreply 74July 4, 2014 9:11 PM

[quote]As bad as Nixon was, at least he resigned for the good of the country.

LMAO! More GOP idiocy, he resigned to avoid the embarrassment of impeachment. he could have cared less about "the country."

More GOP revisionism.

by Anonymousreply 75July 4, 2014 9:12 PM

He should have resigned when he gave his first speech after his election and, in panic, declared "Change Is Hard!"

Or when the underwear bomber almost blew up that plane and Obama ran and hid.

Or when the BP oil spill occurred and Obama ran and hid.

by Anonymousreply 76July 4, 2014 9:13 PM

[quote]Do the Republicans realize their party is essentially dead?

They're taking Congress in 2017, hun. Dead they ain't.

by Anonymousreply 77July 4, 2014 9:14 PM

Repubs lead across the board in senate, house and presidential re: NYT, Politico and Qunn.

by Anonymousreply 78July 4, 2014 9:15 PM

The freepers always come out in full force on a holiday or a weekend, or when it's not Prime Time.

by Anonymousreply 79July 4, 2014 9:16 PM

R78 Blame Obama for that.

by Anonymousreply 80July 4, 2014 9:17 PM

[quote]Repubs lead across the board in senate, house and presidential re: NYT, Politico and Qunn.

Presidential?

by Anonymousreply 81July 4, 2014 9:17 PM

Obama triumphs against all odds: Best DOW in history, best hiring numbers since Bush left the economy in shambles. He'll go down as a saint, once things settle.

Cherry on top: A Democrat will be president in 2016.

What's left for the freepers to do besides complain?

by Anonymousreply 82July 4, 2014 9:18 PM

[quote]They're taking Congress in 2017, hun. Dead they ain't.

Uhm, you do realize gerrymandering is far different from popularity, no?

If not, then I see why you don't realize your party is DOA.

by Anonymousreply 83July 4, 2014 9:19 PM

OP from Media Natters is back! Freepers is a term only used by David Brock.

by Anonymousreply 84July 4, 2014 9:19 PM

Romney ahead of any putative candidate proposed by pollster, e.g. Over Hillary by 17 points, over Biden by 21 points, over Michelle by 33 %.

by Anonymousreply 85July 4, 2014 9:22 PM

R84 Hon, to the Obamantologists, anyone who deviates one atom from Baracknetics, or questions Dear Leader is a freeper.

by Anonymousreply 86July 4, 2014 9:23 PM

For God's sake! Will someone please shit in my mouth?

by Anonymousreply 87July 4, 2014 9:24 PM

Post rejected

by Anonymousreply 88July 4, 2014 9:26 PM

[quote] Romney ahead of any putative candidate proposed by pollster, e.g. Over Hillary by 17 points, over Biden by 21 points, over Michelle by 33 %.

1. Link? You're just making shit up.

2. Romney ain't running again. Hillary leads all the likely GOP contenders.

by Anonymousreply 89July 4, 2014 9:27 PM

R61, it is well known that Obama worked with Putin in arranging for Putin to broker the deal with Syria to hand-over its chemical weapons stash, which Syria completed last month. The Syrians would never have accepted a deal brokered by the US, with Obama threatening to ask for a war resolution in Congress at the time, but they were looking for a face-saving "out", which was provided by Putin. It was strong leadership by Obama, yet again.

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by Anonymousreply 90July 4, 2014 9:32 PM

R61. Thank you David Brock. Yes, 'it is well known" but very, very secret, too. PS. Putin hates Obama.

by Anonymousreply 91July 4, 2014 9:37 PM

Buddha was known for saying incredible things like: “May all that have life be delivered from suffering.” Or: “Now may everything, young or old, weak or strong, near or far, known or unknown, living or departed, or as yet unborn, may everything be poleaxed and have its throat slit or be sliced up alive in the blades of macerating machines or burned to death in scalding water while fully conscious” (I’m paraphrasing here) — and then you have to keep in mind that he most likely died of eating tainted pork. He was probably the Obuddha of his day. -- Dan DeLeon

by Anonymousreply 92July 4, 2014 9:40 PM

Lunchtime Poll:

You win five million dollars from the Publisher's sweepstakes, and the same day as that big Ed guy gives you the check, aliens land on the Earth and say they're going to blow up the world in two days. What are you gonna do with the money?

by Anonymousreply 93July 4, 2014 9:43 PM

R90 Dear, if anyone has Syrian chemical weapons, it's the Islamic State under a Caliph that's emerging from Iraq, Syria and Lybia.

But nice that you try, JustJack!

by Anonymousreply 94July 4, 2014 9:43 PM

LA likes the idea of compassion and feels that liking it is pretty much the same as living it. LA compassion is good enough for government work — especially if the “job” done on the serfs is by Dumbocrats. It’s a Facebook kind of life/like. It’s the distinction between Democrat and Republican politicians. Republicans slit the working class throat and feel great about it — they wish we had more throats. Democrats slit our throats but pretend, Obuddhists that they are, that our throats are not really slit or that they suffered more by slitting our throats than we did. Or that it hurt us a lot less because they did it, instead of Dick Cheney. Or that we’re just too damned “attached” to our throats. The Dumbocrats don’t feel any urgency about tens of millions of people unemployed, without healthcare, scraping by on food stamps and food banks, or homeless. Maybe next incarnation we’ll come back as Cubans and have free education and healthcare. -- Dan DeLeon

by Anonymousreply 95July 4, 2014 9:46 PM

If Romney's not running again, he's got a funny way of dispelling it, appearing every 5 minutes on the teevee.

by Anonymousreply 96July 4, 2014 9:53 PM

R95. Money post.

by Anonymousreply 97July 4, 2014 10:20 PM

R92 Jobs? 100 million unemployed. Population re: endless immigrants and 'refugees' are the only added to employment rolls. Read the news.

by Anonymousreply 98July 4, 2014 10:22 PM

Capitalism can’t live with inspirations like King, Malcolm X, Silkwood, Allende, Che or Lumumba. Capitalism, i.e., the daily robbery of the working class at work, can’t live with justice, equality, humaneness or moral courage, it must destroy them. The tyranny of wealth will show every soul in due time that there is no Bill of Rights, no freedom, no democracy, no rule of law, no privacy and no limitations on the government and its agents. Capitalism — kill it or be killed by it.-- Dan DeLeon

by Anonymousreply 99July 4, 2014 11:36 PM

R99 = DanDeLeon Whine

by Anonymousreply 100July 4, 2014 11:43 PM

[quote]"Seriously, if there are two things that Conservatives are together on, it’s their worship of Ronald Reagan and their hatred of Barack Obama. So naturally this poll shows that."

The Electoral Map says a hell of a lot more than conservatives worshiped President Reagan.

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by Anonymousreply 101July 4, 2014 11:45 PM

"Jobs? 100 million unemployed. Population re: endless immigrants and 'refugees' are the only added to employment rolls. Read the news."

How about you link to this non-fact, lying liar?

by Anonymousreply 102July 4, 2014 11:54 PM

I disagree with this poll. The incompetent twit is not the worse president since WWII. He is the worse president since 1788. Please don't impeach Obama. Its too much fun watching him fall apart publically. At this rate he will go directly from the White House to a padded rubber room and the key will be given to his dominatrix Michelle, or Michelle.

by Anonymousreply 103July 4, 2014 11:59 PM

"The incompetent twit is not the worse president since WWII."

Another genius' opinion. Worse...really?

by Anonymousreply 104July 5, 2014 12:02 AM

Hey moron, right above, I phrased it that way because it was originally worded that way. Don't you need to get back to grading those English 101 papers??

by Anonymousreply 105July 5, 2014 12:06 AM

Riiiiight.

by Anonymousreply 106July 5, 2014 12:08 AM

[quote]twit is not the worse president

Oh dear...

by Anonymousreply 107July 5, 2014 12:15 AM

Finally a poll that got it right. Wow. It is breathtaking how inept this administration is.

by Anonymousreply 108July 5, 2014 12:37 AM

R103 may be grammatically challenged but he got it right.

by Anonymousreply 109July 5, 2014 12:38 AM

Tell us exactly in what way this administration has been inept.

by Anonymousreply 110July 5, 2014 12:40 AM

r110, please list all the countries of the world who respect the U.S. MORE now than before Obama took office.

We'll wait....

by Anonymousreply 111July 5, 2014 12:45 AM

IRS fiasco VA decline after he promised to fix it (lol) If you like you doctor you can keep your doctor Benghazi Flood of illegal minors flooding the border based on his inference that they will not be deported Syria Iraq policy or lack thereof

My God. How much do you need R110.

Bush is FDR compared to him

by Anonymousreply 112July 5, 2014 12:47 AM

When R98 writes 100 million unemployed, he must be counting children and chickens, or people in foreign countries. There aren't enough people in the US to have 100 million unemployed at this time. Maybe he's the say guy who's said that the price of food has tripled since last year. R98, the math is not your friend!

by Anonymousreply 113July 5, 2014 12:48 AM

What a dumbass measurement, but let's see...

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by Anonymousreply 114July 5, 2014 12:50 AM

R112 is so twisted he thinks a few illegals sneaking cross the border is worse than starting a war under false pretenses. And he doesn't even understand the difference between actively creating something evil and merely having something unfortunate happen on your watch. But we all know what he is anyway.

by Anonymousreply 115July 5, 2014 12:53 AM

Obama is a disappointment no doubt. To understand this disappointment one must go back to Clinton.

Obama has turned out to be a right wing democrat like Clinton. Coming from the same Chicago heartland - which Hillary will also use as a springboard - both not only know politics is the art of compromise but how much they need to do so.

Both followed cynical, rapacious, mendacious republican regimes that had allowed the 1% to loot the country. They both inherited huge deficits the republican thugs left the country. The fervor of relief at Clinton's election in 1992 after 2 terms of Reagan and 1 of Bush will be hard to imagine for the younger generation. It was like what Clinton liberals felt in 2008 when Obama was elected.

Cynically firing up social prejudices, Clinton was derided as a white trash cracker by the right wing (in both parties) just as opposition to Obama is essentially founded on our society's deeply ingrained racist attitudes against the n*gger in the a White House - not serving dinner but actually being the host at the head of the table.

Only a centrist right wing Clinton could survive in this venal atmosphere (remember Linda Tripp? Kenneth Starr? Speaker Gingrich?) get anything done, often at deep compromises that cut to the democratic bone. But he erased the deficit the republicans left behind and left a surplus. Which W promptly set out to loot again.

So having seen that, seeing it all play out again with Obama produces a greater disappointment. For the support for him coming after another lying thieving republican regime was even greater, as the damage that W wreaked rested on international wars and not mainly on domestic rape and looting as under Reagan and Bush Pere. Obama's Nobel Peace Prize was an award from the international community to America, given with a sigh of relief.

As happens when history repeats itself, Clinton was a tragedy and Obama is a farce. That is the disappointment in Obama.

But Reagan has been the front person for the total domination of America by the right wing. It would be too flattering to even call him the worst president as that implies leadership or lack thereof. He was an actor playing the role of his life, one he never did in his B-grade career.

His presidency is the anchor of three decades of the extreme conservatism in America. It continues under the Obama administration to result in a declining society amid a soaring Dow Jones - without the saving grace of producing a surplus as under Clinton.

That is why the corporate rulers for whom he was the poster boy must proclaim Reagan the Best. People must continue to enable them to rule so Reagan cannot be merely graded but must be idolized and deified. The mythology must be maintained for continued rule.

And Obama must be headed off and harassed except when he follows right wing policies like bailing out banksters and putting them in his administration. You can't say he didn't really warn us: he said he was an admirer of Reagan on his campaign trail or when he came into office, I forget which.

Obama is the bastard child of Reagan. Sorry.

by Anonymousreply 116July 5, 2014 1:07 AM

[quote]obama set the tone in his first two years. obamacare was established with pilosi and reid with the Republicans totally out of the picture

That was the choice of Republicans.

Republicans set the tone in the first days after his election win, meeting in secret to plot out how to sabotage the Obama Presidency and swearing to work against him at every turn, and oppose his every move.

This is all established historical fact.

Yet you try to blame this on Obama, R53? What are you, a fucking brainwashed moron?

by Anonymousreply 117July 5, 2014 2:03 AM

R117 Unlike Tip O 'Neill's Congress, which bent over backwards to work with Reagan and support his agenda, especially after he carried 49 states, right?

Just amazing to see what some true believers pull outta their asses.

Obama had majorities in the House AND Senate. He didn't beed the Repiblicans to pass legislation.

Now he tries to rule by decree.

He's Nixonian, and Holder enables him.

by Anonymousreply 118July 5, 2014 2:14 AM

[quote]Obama had majorities in the House AND Senate.

Obama had filibuster proof majority in the senate for only a matter of something like 8 weeks... between the seating of Al Franken and the death of Kennedy.

It was during those moments that most of health care got passed.

Beyond that, GOP has obstructed EVERYTHING, even during his first two years.

It's interesting how you try to rewrite history. You're so completely full of shit, and are just a lying jack-ass... and you probably even believe your own delusional lies too, because you so desperately want to hate the man. You'll make up shit to justify your irrational hatred.

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by Anonymousreply 120July 5, 2014 2:19 AM

Actually Tip's Congress did work with Reagan, while Republicans have filibustered everything against Obama. A simple look at the actual passed legislation would prove that.

And while there, look at the amount of executive orders by Obama and Reagan and tell me again who did the most bypassing of Congress.

by Anonymousreply 121July 5, 2014 2:20 AM

Filibustering? Who exercised the Nuclear Option, an action the Democrats once decried as fatal to democracy?

Obama's most corrupt weasel, Harry "Moe Green" Reed.

You're scraping the bottom of tge barrel making excuses for BO.

Let it go.

The party's over.

by Anonymousreply 122July 5, 2014 2:29 AM

Sorry I am dealing in reality and you didnt actually address anything I said.

And the nuclear option applies to nominees, not legislation.

by Anonymousreply 123July 5, 2014 2:32 AM

There'd no use reasoning with the unreasonable, r123, you know they iron heads.

by Anonymousreply 124July 5, 2014 2:34 AM

Ronald Reagan did not wipe properly. Then he wore a diaper. The blood of my dead friends is on his hands. Also the blood of many PWA's I did not know.

I can only think of a handful of people whose suffering I enjoyed. He's one of them. I hope his Alzheimer's was especially awful.

If there is a hell I hope he & his equally insufferable wife ( she of the winsome blow-jobs) will soon be together there.

It is apropos that today's vile conservatives have created this ridiculous lie around the RR Presidency. Because they are equally disgusting & Unamerican.

by Anonymousreply 125July 5, 2014 2:44 AM

Why don't -you- tell us what critical legislation of Pander Bear's can't be pushed thru?

Funding Solyndra North Korea?

Selling stealth bombers to Iran?

Free Ipads for -ilegales- Mexican settlers?

by Anonymousreply 126July 5, 2014 2:54 AM

For Stevie Pretentious&Insufferable

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by Anonymousreply 127July 5, 2014 2:58 AM

What the DL Politburo was rubbing one out to in the 80s

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by Anonymousreply 128July 5, 2014 3:07 AM

49 states, despite all Clark Clifford, Pammy Harriman, and the rest of the Democrat crooks threw in our way!

Happy 4th Of July America!

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by Anonymousreply 129July 5, 2014 3:14 AM

That awful picture of those two pigs, I just threw up in my mouth a little.

by Anonymousreply 130July 5, 2014 3:17 AM

R130 Haters gonna hate. You could stand to lose a pound...sorry, a kilo. Or forty.

by Anonymousreply 131July 5, 2014 3:21 AM

Hmm, have the lefties in the media thrown a bone toward Ron "Dancebelt's in the closet" Reagan Jr or Patty Davis in the last 25 years?

Astonishing how the fascination ended so suddenly...

How could President and Mrs Reagan not be gay-friendly? Their son was birn smelling cookies.

by Anonymousreply 132July 5, 2014 3:26 AM

R122, are you in a contest to prove just how ignorant, misinformed, and stupid you are... as well as how drastically you can twist facts, spin reality, and rewrite history?

Just curious.

by Anonymousreply 133July 5, 2014 3:29 AM

Face it kids...Obama's presidency is circling the drain.

by Anonymousreply 134July 5, 2014 3:30 AM

[quote]Face it kids...Obama's presidency is circling the drain.

Republicans should know, their party has been doing that the past 8 years...

by Anonymousreply 135July 5, 2014 3:32 AM

The poll reflects reality. Sadly, Obama is the worse. Mainly because he is inept.

by Anonymousreply 136July 5, 2014 3:42 AM

R136... you understand that repeating a lie like that over and over doesn't make it true, right?

by Anonymousreply 137July 5, 2014 3:44 AM

R137 also still keeping the faith that MySpace will also regain its cool any.minute.now

Their moment, like Barack's, came and went. Snap out of it.

by Anonymousreply 138July 5, 2014 4:49 AM

Since World War II? He's the worst President since at least Ulysses Grant.

by Anonymousreply 139July 5, 2014 5:48 AM

Andy Borowiyz says it best:

[quote]People Who Call Obama Worst President Since Second World War Also Blame Him for Starting It

by Anonymousreply 140July 5, 2014 6:52 AM

Very interesting that all these right wingers come out of the woodwork to hate on Obama -- where are they when black cock is being evaluated?

What distresses me is when people like Obama himself say positive things about Saint Reagan -- he was a community organizer for Christ's sake, didn't he see what that evil old man did to the most vulnerable people in our society?

by Anonymousreply 141July 6, 2014 5:06 AM

R141 Reagan was a Democrat, head of a union, before the party became deranged.

He was a governor of a state that is its own nation.

He knew how to work with a legislature, even one controlled by a party that despised him.

Those are skills Obama lacks, has bever developed, because he's not used to the nuts and bolts of politics. Finds them beneath him.

The deranged Reagan hatred on this thread is sad and pathetic.

by Anonymousreply 142July 6, 2014 8:15 AM

These polls are obviously weighed by people thinking about which president affected them the most directly. It's likely to always be one of the most recent presidents. Most people don't think in a historical context.

by Anonymousreply 143July 6, 2014 9:22 AM

[quote]The deranged Reagan hatred on this thread is sad and pathetic.

That's not the problem -- the problem is the deranged Obama love

by Anonymousreply 144July 6, 2014 1:51 PM

Right. Because Reagan never did anything bad and Obama is worse than the Devil.

by Anonymousreply 145July 6, 2014 1:55 PM

The current president is always the worst prez evah! Especially when scuzzy pollsters are involved.

by Anonymousreply 146July 6, 2014 3:00 PM

It Is What It Is..........

by Anonymousreply 147July 6, 2014 4:07 PM

If you place all of the graphs over the past fifty years , one on top of each other, and view the principle commonality of the decline of the American Way of Life, you will see that the genesis of the American decline is overwhelmingly related to the Reagan Presidency. The subtle things he set in motion have snowballed to horrific proportions.

He created homelessness by moving the mentally ill from institutions (HHS) to single residence occupancy (HUD) and then abolished single resident occupancy.

He reduced the tax rates on the wealthy that created the massive Trickle Up of Billionaires we have today.

Evil, just Evil.

by Anonymousreply 148July 6, 2014 4:34 PM

[quote]Reagan was a Democrat, head of a union, before the party became deranged.

By "became deranged" you're referring to what, supporting Civil Rights?

by Anonymousreply 149July 6, 2014 4:39 PM

LMAO at R51.

Could you get any further up Obama's ass?

Fool has had the most favored media treatment EVER!

by Anonymousreply 150July 6, 2014 5:08 PM

What R134 said. Obama doesn't even care anymore.

The only thing he wants to do is campaign.

by Anonymousreply 151July 6, 2014 5:18 PM

When it comes to Obama there's either a lot of liberal white guilt or right wing hatred of blacks at work: the two faces if racism in America.

by Anonymousreply 152July 6, 2014 5:18 PM

R142, we're waiting. How did the Democratic party become deranged post-Reagan's membership?

Yes, so deranged that Strom Thurmond also left it.

by Anonymousreply 153July 6, 2014 5:22 PM

R148 has it, and for good measure Saint Reagan destroyed the power of the unions, which allowed working men to negotiate on equal footing with management. This led to the semi-enslavement of the working man we have today, and the obscene concentration of wealth in the hands of a tiny minority that is worse than in any other first world country.

Reagan inaugurated the plutocracy that rules America today.

by Anonymousreply 154July 6, 2014 6:07 PM

Trickle down, anyone ?

by Anonymousreply 155July 6, 2014 6:09 PM

More like shit and piss raining down on the middle/lower classes, thanks to Ronnie.

by Anonymousreply 156July 6, 2014 6:13 PM

In R152's world you can't see a person of African ancestry as anything other than a black skinned man. You can't possibly evaluate him based on his political stance, intelligence or deliberation. I'm not "allowed" to see those things in him. All I'm allowed to do, in the eyes of the racist, is to be a racist too.

by Anonymousreply 157July 6, 2014 6:47 PM

The Vacationer-in-Chief is playing golf again. He likes the trappings of being President, but doesn't want any of the responsibilities.

by Anonymousreply 158July 6, 2014 7:32 PM

Vacationer-in-Chief = sure sign of Obama Derangement Syndrome

by Anonymousreply 159July 6, 2014 7:37 PM

lol R115. Are you insane? Drink some more kook aid

by Anonymousreply 160July 6, 2014 9:01 PM

R18 it's because Obama is just as bad as Bush II was and he completely supports the same things Bush II did like with the NSA, P@tri0t #ct, etc.

by Anonymousreply 161July 7, 2014 1:40 AM

R161, you're clearly and obviously wrong, Just as you're clearly and obviously an idiot.

by Anonymousreply 162July 7, 2014 1:52 AM

r162 thinks he's the referee.

R162 is not the referee

by Anonymousreply 163July 7, 2014 1:54 AM

Referee? This sin't a sport. He just thinks he is right.

And he is.

by Anonymousreply 164July 7, 2014 1:56 AM

No no no r164 -- just because r162 thinks his penis is telling him that r161 is wrong, and that, by having a talking penis, he can declare who is in bounds and who is off side, doesn't mean his penis is speaking to him, let alone saying the right things.

by Anonymousreply 165July 7, 2014 2:02 AM

R165, there are these things called facts. You should look into them sometime. Take a break from your delusional little bubble of propaganda.

by Anonymousreply 166July 7, 2014 2:05 AM

It's the logic and rationality of your position that makes it so appealing, r165.

by Anonymousreply 167July 7, 2014 2:10 AM

These threads are clearly partisan hack jobs. Republicans all like Reagan the best and hate Obama the most, so those are your winners. Democrats can't agree on who was best or worse, so their numbers are lower.

None of it has anything to do with what people know about presidents. It's all about reflecting the "party line." It's an election in which 40% of the participants are Communists and 40% non-Commumnist, and the other 20% are illiterates. The Communists will "win" by giving the approved answer. Republicans are just that: materialistic, mechanistic, dictatorial power junkies. They are the same as the Communists in Russia ever were.

by Anonymousreply 168July 7, 2014 2:15 AM

Only fools who live in caves are still supporting Obama at this point.

by Anonymousreply 169July 7, 2014 3:19 AM

Really, r169? Don't you mean you're a fool in a cave? Because posting illogical statements isn't supporting anything.

by Anonymousreply 170July 7, 2014 3:25 AM

Consider the stagflation of the miserable Carter years - 11.3% in 1978, 13.5% in 1980, 3.2 in 1983.

Freddie Mac rates went from 8 to 16% under Carter.

Just the reduction of nuclear stockpiles under Bush 41 and Yeltsin, an outgrowth of the Reagan years, is enough to earn him your respect.

Not from the barking mad manic street preachers spewing indane bile all over this thread, but from fair minded people.

Reagan Democrats and 49 states knew what they were doing. The Sandinasties can't stand that fact.

By 1992, this country and this world were in far better shape than in the 1979s. Some things didn't pan out: Russia didn't follow the German model, it reverted to being a corruptocracy under a KGB Czar. Saddam's invasion of Kuwait set the seeds of Middle East insanity that resulted in 9/11 and tge current fiasco.

But we had peace, a peace dividend, prosperity that reached incredible levels through the 90s, and a peaceful collapse of Soviet imperialism across Easter Europe.

Much of that's on Ronald Reagan, even if that records infuriates the Marxist fanatics posting here.

by Anonymousreply 171July 7, 2014 3:47 AM

Nice cherry-picking there, R171. Conservatives LOVE to rewrite history, especially the Reagan years (though they're now busy rewriting the Dubbya years).

by Anonymousreply 172July 7, 2014 3:52 AM

[quote] By 1992, this country and this world were in far better shape than in the 1979s.

Completely false statement. Neither this country nor the world were better off in 1992.

by Anonymousreply 173July 7, 2014 3:57 AM

You're insane. The peaceful end of the Cold War and Soviet Imperialism -alone- was a miracle.

You're entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.

by Anonymousreply 174July 7, 2014 4:06 AM

This was a historic success for the US and the world.

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by Anonymousreply 175July 7, 2014 4:11 AM

Gorbachev deserves more credit for the end of the cold war than Ronnie Raygun.

Reagan is also responsible for setting in motion most of all the ills that plague our country to this day.

But conservatives LOVE to rewrite history, spin the facts, and cherry pick things very carefully to put their "guy" in the best light possible.

by Anonymousreply 176July 7, 2014 4:15 AM

R176 You have no facts, only invective. Your people were advocating for unilateral nuclear disarmament, including Madeleine Albright.

The Reagan administration brought about the conditions that made Gorbachev's glasnost and perestroika.

Look, you and the Tony Kushners of tge world can despise Reagan, the way your counterparts loathe Obama. You're free to do that.

But apparating justifications for what is just visceral, primal hatred is a non-starter.

You HATE Reagan, period. Not because A, B, or C. You HATE him. We get it.

The rest is commentary.

by Anonymousreply 177July 7, 2014 4:29 AM

R177, are you even aware of how much bullshit you're full of?

by Anonymousreply 178July 7, 2014 5:02 AM

I still like Obama

by Anonymousreply 179July 7, 2014 5:06 AM

Jobless and Hopeless

Some Unemployed Americans Are Backing Out of the Job Market After Months of Searching

By Ron Scherer

N E W Y O R K, July 2, 2004 -

After 20 months of looking for work and sending out hundreds of resumes, Jeffrey Schwab has given up trying to find another job as a draftsman. He's now taken early Social Security and is considering whether to sell his Bellingham, Wash., home to move to something smaller.

"From what I can tell, there's not much to look for," says Schwab, who has 35 years of pipeline-design experience. "I am standing around with nothing to do."

Even though the economy has created 1.2 million jobs since January, some 265,000 people have dropped out of the job hunt during the same period. They would join some 19.1 million Americans in the same situation as Schwab, who are unemployed and not looking for work largely because they are convinced they won't find it. This figure, at a record level, is up 44 percent from 10 years ago. If the job market continues to improve, this large number of people could decide to get back in the job market - which would hold the unemployment rate relatively high, even as new jobs are created.

"If this flow of nonworking Americans were to reverse, it would send the jobless rate toward 8 percent," says John Challenger of the outplacement firm Challenger, Gray & Christmas in Chicago.

by Anonymousreply 180July 7, 2014 5:07 AM

No, R177... you and your ilk just HATE Obama. They can't stand having a black man in the White house. That's why they make up so much shit... so many lies and manufactured "scandals" and outrages.

Meanwhile, Reagan really DID run the most corrupt administration in modern times, rally DID trade arms for hostages, and trade drugs for arms, and he really DID triple the debt, and set in motion the horrible income inequality issue we have today. He filled while AIDS burned through the gay population. Not to forget the S&L scandal, and a 7.5 average rate of unemployment, and his attacks on the labor unions that drove down wages and contributed to the current erosion of the middle class. Never mind him funding the people who became the "Taliban", and how his pulling out of Lebanon gave Bin Laden his idea to mount the 9/11 attacks.

Meanwhile, he also did so many things that today's Republicans would love to forget even MORE: he raised taxes 11 times, he supported a ban on assault weapons, he "negotiated with terrorists", and he issued amnesty for illegal aliens.

Never mind being nearly completely senile in his final years, and saying things like trees cause pollution... good lord.

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by Anonymousreply 181July 7, 2014 5:13 AM

[quote]Obama did nothing about this -- it is still the same.

What is with this bullshit?

Obama TRIED EVERYTHING HE COULD to do something about it. He was blocked & obstructed by Republicans at every turn. Republicans PREVENTED him from doing anything about it.

The blame for this is SQUARELY on the Republicans.

R180, you're a fucking idiot.

by Anonymousreply 182July 7, 2014 5:14 AM

R177 Stick to microanalyzing the rules and motivations of vampires in that schlocky HBO series - you're evidently much better at dealing with fantasy than reality.

Look, a vampire exploded!! Deconstruct it for us, won't you?

by Anonymousreply 183July 7, 2014 5:16 AM

Ronald Reagan won the lottery in that he happened to be President during the end of the Cold War. I promise you, it would have happened regardless who was President of the United States.

The Reagan "legacy" is all smoke and mirrors. You look at the facts, and not Republican shit stain revisionist history, and he is probably the worst President of the 20th Century.

by Anonymousreply 184July 7, 2014 5:16 AM

R184 Yeah, run that up the flagpole and see who salutes

President Walter Mondale. Mexico would be in the USSR by now.

Deranged lunacy.

by Anonymousreply 185July 7, 2014 5:22 AM

R185 actually believes that Ronald Reagan saved America from Communism. Isn't that just the cutest thing you've ever heard?

by Anonymousreply 186July 7, 2014 5:24 AM

Deranged lunacy? Coming from someone defending the GOP and Ronald Reagan, I would assume you know a great deal about what deranged lunacy is. ;)

by Anonymousreply 187July 7, 2014 5:26 AM

R182. so, the vampire lady exploded, but she's NOT really dead because werewolves and fairies???

At least it puts your monster raving looney "politics" in perspective.

Lunatic.

by Anonymousreply 188July 7, 2014 5:27 AM

R186. Poland, Hungary, East Germany, etc say to go fuck yourself.

by Anonymousreply 189July 7, 2014 5:30 AM

[quote][R182]. so, the vampire lady exploded, but she's NOT really dead because werewolves and fairies??? At least it puts your monster raving looney "politics" in perspective. Lunatic.

In [bold]ENGLISH[/bold], please. You're the only one on this thread who's fluent in Wingnut.

by Anonymousreply 190July 7, 2014 5:32 AM

Uh oh. Republican shit stain @ R189 is having a breakdown. This thread is going to get interesting as he gets more and more hysterical.

by Anonymousreply 191July 7, 2014 5:33 AM

R190 Just referring to R181s deep dive dissertation and arguments re: the "rules" about vampires on the True Blood thread.

It helps to put the basement-dweller's screeds in this discussion into perspective. Yours as well.

by Anonymousreply 192July 7, 2014 5:44 AM

Look at R192 obsessing about a True Blood thread! It seems to be spending all it's time reading about the gay vamp show and then coming back here to "put us in our place." You sure showed us R192. You big bad meanie. LOL!

by Anonymousreply 193July 7, 2014 5:48 AM

[quote]Reagan was a Democrat, head of a union, before the party became deranged.

Reagan put out records spewing bs about Social Security and Medicare. He also didn't vote in favor of the Voting Rights Act, and he demonized gays. Fuck off.

by Anonymousreply 194July 7, 2014 6:27 AM

[quote]Reagan was a Democrat, head of a union, before the party became deranged.

How did the party become deranged? We're still waiting, cunt.

by Anonymousreply 195July 7, 2014 6:31 AM

damn

by Anonymousreply 196July 7, 2014 11:53 AM

IIRC, Reagan flipped over to the dark side sometime around the HUAC investigations, where he was a good little anti-communist and named names.

by Anonymousreply 197July 7, 2014 12:05 PM

[quote]IIRC, Reagan flipped over to the dark side sometime around the HUAC investigations, where he was a good little anti-communist and named names.

Not a fan of Reagan, but the Left (communists) attacked him first, when he was the head of SAG.

by Anonymousreply 198July 7, 2014 12:33 PM

PS -- they (the communists) also went after Budd Schulberg, so he retaliated against them in front of the HUAC.

Not honorable, but tit for tat, unlike Kazan, who was just a 'fraidy cat.

by Anonymousreply 199July 7, 2014 6:43 PM

And why, you ask, do I no longer get involved in political debates with strangers?

by Anonymousreply 200July 7, 2014 6:48 PM

C'mon r200 -- It IS What It Is!

by Anonymousreply 201July 7, 2014 7:30 PM

Socialism is the only way to run a true Democracy.

Unfortunately, Obama is just another capitalist pig. At least he's intelligent, and socially progressive.

by Anonymousreply 202July 7, 2014 7:31 PM

R202 Loves Cuba, but oddly hasn't emigrated there.

Whatever the left counterpart of "freeper shitstain" is, this tgread is papered eith them.

Aged pioneers??

by Anonymousreply 203July 7, 2014 7:40 PM

No, R203 just doesn't understand the meaning of words, having been too brainwashed with propaganda.

by Anonymousreply 204July 7, 2014 7:41 PM

R202 = Napoleon, from "Animal Farm"

by Anonymousreply 205July 7, 2014 7:41 PM

[quote]this tgread is papered eith them.

Oh dear...

by Anonymousreply 206July 7, 2014 7:41 PM

Forgive R203/R205. He/she/it simply is not that bright.

by Anonymousreply 207July 7, 2014 8:07 PM

Conservatives in general are not that bright. It's kind of why they're conservatives. The real world requires too much effort to understand, with all the nuance and shades of gray... and being liberal requires a level of empathy and compassion that they just don't have.

They are poor, pathetic, backwards, scared little fearful and greedy and self-absorbed pin-heads.

by Anonymousreply 208July 7, 2014 8:16 PM

[quote][R186]. Poland, Hungary, East Germany, etc say to go fuck yourself

Fuck me? Fuck you, wingnut.

by Anonymousreply 209July 7, 2014 8:25 PM

The stories of RR's closest advisors having to endure the smell when The President of the United States shit himself daily in the last years of his final term(while The FOTUS paid phony psychics to tell her the future) makes me smile.

RR did not wipe properly,then he wore a diaper. I hope he suffered,& I'm told he did. For his AIDS jokes alone he should sit in his fouled diaper for eternity. Hopefully Something Almost Dead Under A Wig (she of the famous blow-jobs) will be with him soon. The blood of my dead friends as well as thousands of PWA's I did not know is forever on his hands, & my memory is long. It's very long.

The attempts by conservatives to rewrite history & the Reagan Presidency is apropos as they are cut from the same selfish, hateful, xenophobic cloth. I hope they all suffer the same fate as their hero.

by Anonymousreply 210July 7, 2014 8:50 PM

R208 Your empathy and compassion shine through loud and clear, Countess.

by Anonymousreply 211July 7, 2014 8:53 PM

And the poll still has Stanley Dunham's little boy as the worst post-WWII President, Stephen Dull&Dim

by Anonymousreply 212July 7, 2014 8:58 PM

Wait r210 -- what?

by Anonymousreply 213July 7, 2014 9:10 PM

[quote][R208] Your empathy and compassion shine through loud and clear, Countess.

Back at ya, bitch.

by Anonymousreply 214July 7, 2014 9:16 PM

[quote]And the poll still has Stanley Dunham's little boy as the worst post-WWII President, Stephen Dull&Dim

In related news, 36% of the American public believes that Adam and Eve rode dinosaurs in the Garden of Eden. So, you know, consider the fricking source.

by Anonymousreply 215July 7, 2014 9:19 PM

I'm surprised he got as much as he has done with that reeper house back stabbing him every chance like it was the Roman senate all over again. What would the GOP solution to the recession have been more tax breaks for corporation and wealthy. Didn't the Bush camp dump this on Obama?

by Anonymousreply 216July 7, 2014 9:23 PM

R216 Codependent enabler says whaaaaa?

by Anonymousreply 217July 7, 2014 9:34 PM

R208 wins.

by Anonymousreply 218July 7, 2014 9:56 PM

R212 He'll always be Ronnie-Diaper-Poopi-Pants to me!

Take you're fucking poll & go fuck yourself!

by Anonymousreply 219July 9, 2014 2:10 AM

I'm R219

by Anonymousreply 220July 9, 2014 2:12 AM

The poll means nothing to me. I'd vote for Obama again.

by Anonymousreply 221July 9, 2014 2:29 AM

This article has some great insights on that poll... a must read:

[bold]Why Obama Makes The GOP Panic[/bold]

If you pay too much attention to opinion polls, as most people do, doubtless you’ve heard that a plurality of voters has judged Barack Obama the worst president since World War II. Thirty-three percent, to be precise, which as it conflates almost exactly with the number of hardcore Republicans, merely tells you something you already knew: GOP partisans dislike Obama with irrational zeal.

In short, the Quinnipiac University survey reveals more about them than about Obama. But hold that thought.

A presidential poll whose results might be worth heeding would measure the opinions only of people who could actually name the 12 U.S. presidents since 1945. I’m guessing that’d be maybe 10 percent of the electorate, tops.

Anyway, to put the bad news about Obama in perspective, back in 2006 when George W. Bush was in his sixth year in office — typically the nadir of a two-term president’s popularity – the same Quinnipiac poll found that 34 percent of Americans judged him the worst since 1945.

Even the sainted Ronald Reagan’s job approval numbers took a sharp drop during his sixth year due to the Iran-Contra scandal — selling missiles to Iran to finance right-wing terrorists in Nicaragua.

This year, however, a reported 35 percent in the Quinnipiac survey judged Reagan the best president since World War II. Apparently all is forgiven, forgotten, or — equally likely — never known.

Bill Clinton came in second at 18 percent; JFK third with 15 percent. Democrats, see, split their “best president” choices pretty evenly among Clinton, JFK and Obama. Meanwhile, 66 percent Republicans chose Reagan, a sharp rebuke to ex-presidents named Bush.

Indeed, some 28 percent in the 2014 survey still think that Dubya established a new low in presidential ineptitude. More significant, exactly 1 percent called Bush the best. One percent!

Even Nixon, who resigned the presidency ahead of impeachment, got one percent. Gerald Ford, who pardoned him, got one percent.

Historians agree about Dubya. A recent Siena College survey of 238 “presidential scholars” called Bush the fifth worst in U.S. history, and the only chief executive since 1945 to make the bungler’s Hall of Fame.

(Only one post-WWII president made the historians’ Top 10: Dwight D. Eisenhower, a judgment I wouldn’t dispute.)

Politically, the make-believe rancher turned portrait painter has become The Man Who Wasn’t There. Because Bush’s record is pretty much indefensible — asleep on 9/11, imprudent tax cuts, an unfinished war in Afghanistan, weak job creation, a financial meltdown that damn near destroyed the world economy, trillion-dollar budget deficits, an unjust, failed war and unfolding geopolitical catastrophe in Iraq — Republicans not named Dick Cheney make no serious effort to defend it.

Instead, they insist that the world began anew with the inauguration of Barack Obama. All references to the astonishing mess his predecessor left behind are forbidden lest one be accused of playing the “blame game.”

Rhyming slogans often prove irresistible to simpletons.

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by Anonymousreply 222July 10, 2014 1:27 AM

(continued)

OK, so Obama asked for it. Mother Jones blogger Kevin Drum gets that part exactly right:

[quote]For years, I really didn’t believe the conservative snark about how Obama supporters all thought he would descend on Washington like a god-king and miraculously turn us into a post-racial, post-partisan, post-political country. Kumbaya! The reason I didn’t believe it was that it never struck me as even remotely plausible.

Of course Obama promised to transform America. “That’s what presidential candidates do,” Drum adds. “I believed then, and still believe now, that Obama is basically a mainstream Democrat who’s cautious, pragmatic, technocratic, and incremental…[But] by now, the evidence is clear that millions of Obama voters really believed all that boilerplate rhetoric.”

Hence bitter disappointment on the sentimental left. Oh, you wanted single-payer health care? So tell me where Obama was supposed to get the votes.

However, the real believers in Barack the magic enchanter have been Republicans. His presidency has driven a substantial proportion of the GOP electorate completely around the bend. To a remarkable degree, the party of Lincoln has metamorphosed into a Confederate-accented political cult on apocalyptic themes suggested by fundamentalist theology.

“The unhinged versions of this sensibility,” notes Jonathan Chait “held that Obama had launched a sinister ideological assault on the Constitution and American freedom, perhaps in the name of Islamism, or socialism, or, somehow, both.”

Mentioning Obama’s race as one cause of GOP panic is even more forbidden than bringing up George W. Bush. You want to argue about it? Check the comment lines to any online article about Obama, and then get back to me.

It’s in the Bible: “The guilty flee, where no man pursueth.”

Along with existential panic goes an inability to keep things in proportion. Benghazi equals invading Iraq. The IRS “scandal” equals Watergate. Forty-five consecutive months of job growth and shrinking budget deficits get airbrushed out of the picture.

Over time, fear will abate. Then we’ll see what we see.

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by Anonymousreply 223July 10, 2014 1:28 AM

GOP/Conservative/TeaParty talking points shredded and debunked yet again.

NOTHING these people believe is actually real.

by Anonymousreply 224July 10, 2014 3:30 PM

Democrats are distancing themselves from the president across the country, even in blue states.

Colorado, a state Barack Obama won twice, has a Democratic governor and two Democratic senators. One of those senators, Mark Udall, is up for re-election this year. He decided not to attend a fundraiser with the president in his own state a few weeks ago. It was more important for Udall to stay in Washington to take part in the 71-26 confirmation vote for Obama's nominee to run the Department of Housing and Urban Development.

Not coincidentally, about 54 percent of Coloradans disapprove of Obama's job performance.

by Anonymousreply 225August 2, 2014 11:44 PM

CNN’s John King said Sunday morning that Democrats in key races are distancing themselves from President Obama, calling him “detached” in his handling of the scandal involving treatment of patients in a Veterans Administration hospital.

“Forget for a moment that Republican outrage. More and more Democrats in key 2014 races are calling for the president to get a spine, they say, and fire his Veterans Affairs secretary,” the host said on “Inside Politics,” The Weekly Standard reported.

“And what more and more Democrats are saying privately is scathing, calling the president and his team detached, flat footed, even incompetent,” Mr. King continued.

“What strikes me, what Democrats are saying privately in the wakes of the Healthcare.gov problems, they see a president who doesn’t want to take command, doesn’t want to act fast — raising the competence question. Some Democrats who believe in government [are saying] this White House doesn’t appear to have its hand on the lever,” he said.

Politico’s Maggie Haberman agreed, calling the president’s press conference last week “tepid.”

“All of this adds up to somebody who just doesn’t seem at all involved,” she said.

by Anonymousreply 226August 2, 2014 11:46 PM

The American people are waking up.

by Anonymousreply 227August 3, 2014 2:10 AM

For the love of a Diety, Webmaster, delete this resurrected thread as well.

This is another Cray Cray thread.

by Anonymousreply 228August 3, 2014 4:58 AM

Most Americans couldn't even name every president since WWII.

by Anonymousreply 229August 3, 2014 5:41 AM

Herbert Grant, George Albert Smith, David O. McKay, Joseph Fielding Smith, Harold B. Lee, Spencer W. Kimball, Ezra Taft Benson, Howard W. Hunter, Gordon B. Hinckley, Thomas S. Monson.

That's every president since WWII.

by Anonymousreply 230August 3, 2014 4:22 PM

Here's the thing:

99% of Americans don't know what Obamacare has given them. They believe the media. The media says that Obamacare is a disaster. They believe it.

by Anonymousreply 231August 3, 2014 8:09 PM

R228 If you can't debate, or argue the facts, erasing the discussion is your only option. Glad that you concede that.

There's no use wasting time debating here, if you just delete discussions that aren't going your way. Pity the evidence in that thread, the fact that someone actually praised "Kwame Kilpatrick's integrity", is gone.

The larger point, it's disappointing that this space is as hostile to minority opinion as the Straight world was/is to gays. Enforced orthodoxy, intolerant, denigrating a small minority for being different. You'd expect better.

But, the Datalounge bullies detest noncomformists, and delete threads that aren't going your way. Why waste time debating, when the officiating is bias and rigged?

by Anonymousreply 232August 4, 2014 6:13 AM

R232 wants to discuss the "evidence" behind a motherfucking opinion poll, then whines about being mistreated as a "minority opinion".

And precisely what "evidence" are we debating here? Anonymous GOP shills posting "The American people are waking up" on a discussion board?

And no, you're not a mistreated minority opinion, you're an asshole. Big difference there.

by Anonymousreply 233August 4, 2014 8:38 AM

well-said, r233.

by Anonymousreply 234August 4, 2014 1:55 PM

R232 is the same "fact free" asshole from the other thread. A typical, head-up-ass moron.

by Anonymousreply 235August 4, 2014 5:36 PM

That's the truth, R231. The majority of Americans have to be told what to think.

by Anonymousreply 236August 4, 2014 6:13 PM

Racist cunts.

by Anonymousreply 237August 4, 2014 6:16 PM

R232 wouldn't know a fact if it bit him on the ass.

He whines about "enforced orthodoxy" when his made up bullshit is called out (yeah, sorry son, facts are kinda dictatorial and not really about 'debate').

What an intellectually dishonest tool.

We don't hate non-conformists. Most of us ARE non-conformists.

What we hate is ignorant, bigoted, lying, prejudiced, moronic sacks of shit who demand their ignorant, baseless opinions be treated with the same respect as facts.

by Anonymousreply 238August 4, 2014 7:06 PM

[quote]wouldn't know a fact if it bit him on the ass. He whines about "enforced orthodoxy" when his made up bullshit is called out (yeah, sorry son, facts are kinda dictatorial and not really about 'debate'). What an intellectually dishonest tool. We don't hate non-conformists. Most of us ARE non-conformists. What we hate is ignorant, bigoted, lying, prejudiced, moronic sacks of shit who demand their ignorant, baseless opinions be treated with the same respect as facts.

Great post 238. I was just about say basically the same thing.

by Anonymousreply 239August 4, 2014 7:12 PM

Yeah, no enforced conformity or rigid orthodoxy in our happy little Stepford Datalounge!

We know how to deal with troublemakers *giggle*

by Anonymousreply 240August 4, 2014 7:37 PM

Anyone with an opinion other than the sheep that parrot the party line are called names on DL.

R238 - sacks of shit

R235 - head-up-ass moron

Ad Infinitum.

Sad

by Anonymousreply 241August 4, 2014 8:00 PM

Obviously, whomever took this poll's bait didn't live through the ugly wrath of Reagan and Cheney/Bush.

President Obama is the best president ever, compared with those corrupt, corporate owned administrations.

There is no reason for anyone to distance themselves from PBO, he's a thoughtful, and organized leader.

If he could run a third term, I'd vote for him.

by Anonymousreply 242August 4, 2014 8:36 PM

No, R241, anyone who confuses their ignorant opinions to be equivalent to the facts they disagree with is a sack-of-shit head-up-ass moron.

Conservatives seem to think their opinions are facts, and all those other facts out there are just opinions that can be disagreed with.

Delusional arrogant morons.

It has nothing to do with 'party line', and everything to do with the fact that some basic facts cannot be argued. Sorry.

by Anonymousreply 243August 4, 2014 8:56 PM

Some people obviously need a refresher course in recent history... so here's a decent one:

[bold]A Reminder to Republicans of Just How Bad Things Were Under George W. Bush[/bold]

The human mind fascinates me with the way it recalls past events in our lives. Especially when it comes to politics. People who complain now about how “terrible” President Obama has been, or that he’s the “worst president in history,” clearly have a distorted memory of the Bush presidency.

Has Obama been perfect? Not at all. Part of that is his fault, part of that is the unrealistic expectations many of us had for him when he was elected in 2008. But most of it is the fact that upon his election in 2008, the GOP essentially crafted their strategy of opposing [italic]anything[/italic] he supports.

A plan that was solidified when liberals allowed conservative voters to give Republicans control over the House of Representatives in 2010. That was precisely the weapon they needed to block anything and practically everything.

But while conservatives often like to claim that President Obama is the “worst president in history,” I thought I’d remind them, and everyone else, of just how bad things were under George W. Bush (see link):

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by Anonymousreply 244August 4, 2014 8:58 PM

The Nunn campaign strategy clarifies the game: Professional Democrats see Jews, gays, Asian and feminists as milch cows, to fund campaigns. They see Blacks and Latinos as actual cattle, to be herded to polls on election day and vote how they've been preached to.

All to enrich the lobbyists, trial lawyers, and the union-Mafia complex's coffers and pension funds, whose interests that party serves.

If you dissent, you can count on the DL's Ton Ton Macoute goon squads to defame you.

Yet when the Macoutes start spewing invective, praising Hamás, those threads get "disappeared" PDQ

That's tolerance on the DL

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by Anonymousreply 245August 4, 2014 9:14 PM

Cry me a river, r245. That some idiot Democrat sees it like that doesn't make Republicans any less the pure evil they are. Or libertarians any less the deluded fools they are.

by Anonymousreply 246August 4, 2014 9:18 PM

This poll says more about how hyperpartisan the nation has become, than it does about Obama.

I mean, objectively, what data points would one use to demonstrate "worst"? And how has Obama hit any of those? Seriously what criteria would you use? Jobs gained/lost in past five years? Stock market performance? Presence or absence of any major (and I mean MAJOR) foreign policy fuckups?

I'd have to give him a solid B grade all together. Not an A, but far, far from an F.

by Anonymousreply 247August 4, 2014 9:27 PM

Aren't there ANY polls that support Obama??

by Anonymousreply 248September 10, 2014 5:42 AM

The Koch-puppets are at it again bumping every one of their old anti-Obamma threads.

ZZZZZZzzzzzz.....

by Anonymousreply 249September 10, 2014 2:34 PM

R248: Yes, there are polls that support Obama.

The ones being taken in Russia & by ISIS. They love him over there.

by Anonymousreply 250September 10, 2014 4:59 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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by Anonymousreply 251January 4, 2021 10:55 PM

The poll is basically worthless. Obama who saved the country from a depression and did more to get Americans health insurance since the great society was right behind Trump, and Nixon, who engaged in a literal criminal enterprise to get re-elected, was a distant third, well behind Obama.

by Anonymousreply 252January 4, 2021 11:06 PM

What if they took the poll today?

by Anonymousreply 253September 1, 2021 7:22 PM

I voted for Obama twice, so you can just save your Boris, etc. nonsense. However, I'm interested in how Bush, correctly of course, gets full blame for getting us into the Middle East mess, yet it was nowhere near resolved when Obama left office.

I'd be interested in a rational, not-rabid-partisan understanding of why he gets a seeming "pass" on that?

by Anonymousreply 254September 1, 2021 7:29 PM

Bill Clinton is the best president since WWII.

by Anonymousreply 255September 1, 2021 7:30 PM

clinton is my fav

by Anonymousreply 256September 1, 2021 7:42 PM

[quote] The poll is basically worthless. Obama who saved the country from a depression and did more to get Americans health insurance since the great society was right behind Trump, and Nixon, who engaged in a literal criminal enterprise to get re-elected, was a distant third, well behind Obama.

This thread is from 2014.

by Anonymousreply 257September 1, 2021 7:45 PM
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