JFK Jr.

He pretty much peaked with that little salute.

Most handsome man with the best body I've ever seen.

Many people have said that JFK Jr. was a nice guy compared to some of his Kennedy cousins. I recall it being mentioned publicly that he had some kind of learning disorder.

I have a couple of friends who dealt with him professionally -- one at George and another in the DA's office. Both said he was incredibly nice and unassuming but had a short attention span.

In the early 1980s, I was working on the campus of Brown University when he was a student and I was taking a leave of absence from my own studies. I used to watch him play touch football on the college green, sometimes without a shirt on. He was every bit as good-looking in person as he was in photographs.

One day when I was walking along Thayer Street near campus, he and I arrived at the same corner and nearly bumped into each other. He was wearing very worn gray sweatpants cut off into shorts, apparently without any underwear on. As I stepped out of his way, he reached down to scratch himself, and I saw what was clearly a big cock flop around.

To this day, I still feel my face flush when I recall that encounter.

Never knew him but always heard he had a pretty wrapper but not much going on upstairs.

I lost $150 bucks 'flickin the bean' thinking of him.

Once you got past the hair, his ass was a silky smooth as a casket flag.

R8, That's just mean. LOL

I did a few days of jury duty with him about a month before he died. He was incredibly handsome. I'd seen him around NYC for years, but to be honest he always seemed like a total douche bag.

In the end he was a little wet behind the ears.

He was very good-looking.

He wasn't smart.

He had no clear direction in life, He probably would have entered politics because that's what everyone always figured he would follow in his father's footsteps.

He was into athletics but was kind of a klutz.

He had rather questionable taste in women. He had a long relationship with the very flakey Daryl Hannah.

Supposedly he wanted to be an actor, but his queen-like mother Jackie forbade it. She made decisions for him and he adhered to her wishes. She also forbade him to take flying lessons (in retrospect, a wise decision). He didn't marry until after her death, probably because he knew she wouldn't approve of his choice for a wife.

He married Carolyn Bessette, a quite full of herself, tall, skinny, bleached blonde. She was striking rather than beautiful, but to be tall, skinny and blonde constitutes beauty for some people. Much was made of her "style" but she didn't have much of one. When she made public appearances with John-John she wore a black dress, red lipstick and severely pulled back hair. That was her style. She and John Jr. had screaming fights in public before they married, which wasn't a good sign. They married and were said to be crazy in love, but no doubt they would have eventually divorced. Carolyn was not handling the pressure of being a Kennedy very well. It wasn't a good match.

John Jr., his wife and her sister were killed in a plane crash that happened due to his incompetence as a pilot.

Basically, he was a unusually handsome, mostly amiable guy, not very bright, who was expected to achieve greatness but never did.

When I first started seeing photos of him, I didn't think he was attractive, then I saw film footage of him and realized he was very attractive.

His wife, apparently wasn't a nice person.

She was the Gwyneth Paltrow of her era.

So was he.

He forced me to talk to that tart Madonna.

Fools deliberately refuse to see the obvious group effort in play that took out JFK. Example: the limo driver slowed down until the fatal shot was fired. Who with sufficient security training and clearance to drive a President and Governor would slow down at the sound of gunfire?

The willful stupidity of the public makes it possible for cabals to perpetrate malicious deeds in full public view without fear of apprehension.

For that reason much of the general public will never allow themselves to understand that JFK Jr. was also assassinated, albeit under cover of darkness and far from public view. He crashed his plane because it was brought down. He had a co-pilot on board too but that man's involvement has been wiped clean from the story. He was a threat to the Powers That Be and they eliminated him.

Tin Hat alert at R16!

You're so cute, R17. I very nearly signed my post Tin Hat knowing that would be the instant response. I declined, thinking it was too obvious and here you are proving my point.

My lovely tin hat and I aside, there is a cabal inside the USA and outside it that kills Kennedys among others. JFK Jr. could have had the Senate seat from NY over Hillary Clinton in 2000 (for starters, he was an actual resident of New York.) He could have had the Presidency over George Bush in '04. Too many Americans wanted a new JFK. The PTB nipped that problem in the bud.

JFK Jr had a thing for batshit crazy women. The one he married, Carolyn, abused cocaine and was prone to fits of anger and childlike tantrums. She would have been a huge liability for him had he gone into politics.

IIRC his wife was very stylish at the time - incredibly chic, in the know black Yamamoto dresses and Prada when the mainstream was still very early 90s Melrose Place-y or grunge.

I have no doubt Jr. would be a senator today on his road to being president. We've voted in a 2nd Bush and are on our way to a 2nd Clinton, so I feel like a 2nd Kennedy in the form of John John would have been a cake walk.

I just love starting threads so I can tell my age! Me so young!

John-John was the ultimate privileged himbo. He might well be a senator by now had he lived; but if so he would just be an empty suit with great hair.

I wonder if he could have gotten through the entire two terms without the public finding out that he wasn't very intelligent. It's quite possible just being a handsome Kennedy would have been enough. Needed a new wife very badly though, good family but not disgustingly rich, a style-setter, hip but not crude, down-to-earth but classy. Let's see ... who could we draft?

MARRRRY!!!! @ R20

Carolyn Bessette was a real bitch--she loved bossing him around, and he wanted that badly (he was so used to having his mother tell him what to do). If they were alive today they'd be divorced or he'd be cheating on her like crazy--apparently the one thing in the world he really liked to do was chase pussy (just like his dads and his uncles and grandfathers), though I wonder if John-John was much better at it than the earlier generation was (though women always loved being chased by them, they found the Kennedy boys disappointments in the sack).

I don't think the wife had style. I think the media decided she had style. Her style - simplicity - wasn't exactly unique.

If only there was a tool, at your fingertips, where you could researchers stupid questions without letting people know you were stupid.

He had a big cock.

He wouldn't have had to divorce Bessette to be a politician. As long as she was willing, she would have worked on toning down the bitch persona, which would have worked unless she really WAS that generation's Gwynnie.

I still remember the first People magazine pix of Bessette shortly after they began dating.

She was standing at the bow of a boat, looking forward, one foot daintily raised to place it into shorts that JFK, Jr. stooped down at her feet, was holding for her.

She had the upper hand with him from the get-go.

Anybody else remember those pix?

I remember an Enquirer cover saying that JFK jr. and Di were secretly dating.

I remember a blind item about a handsome scion who said he liked women with defective parts. One was missing half a finger. One had inverted nipples. The last one had her eyebrows plucked out and they never grew back.

So based on the facts R12, do you or anyone else thinks the plane crash was really a terrible accident? Or... besides his looks and last name he was a fuck up and to end it all. I think it was a very public suicide that unfortunate took two other lives.

[quote]If only there was a tool, at your fingertips, where you could researchers stupid questions without letting people know you were stupid.

Thanks for the snark and bitchery, but I posted because I was interested in personal recollections and stories, which posters have been providing.

He was a piss poor pilot.

The problem with R16's theory is that a large majority of people have always believed there was a conspiracy.

R36, did you even READ the OP, or did you just feel like being completely redundant and adding to the thread by adding NOTHING to the thread?

Just curious.

Examine your life, R38. There must be something better you can be doing than providing useless snark on a DL thread.

He had adhd. Which his family chose to ignore.

R39, what part of "DataLounge" do you not understand?

A lovely man who took his time getting to know each poster on Datalounge - no matter how brief their stay or how crazy their posts were. A Datalounge treasure.

There is more to the crash than what was lead on. At that time of the crash, it was not dark enough to lose orientation. The report said plane dropped a little in altitude, made a sharp turn then suddenly plunged straight down. Either they were having a ménage à trois or a major fight took place between the Mr. & Mrs. that caused such a sudden, erratic and unexplained change in the flight.

That just means he fell asleep and stalled the plane.

I met him a couple of times when he was an ADA in Morganthau's office. he was breathlessly handsome. When he walked into the elevator, it was surreal. He had more star power and charisma than any Hollywood movie star.

Probably no one will believe me, but over the years friends of mine who were very good-looking all had one thing in common: they said JFK Jr. cruised them. And these were solid, honest guys. They wouldn't have made it up.

We were at Brown together (with Christianne Amanpour). He wanted to be an actor and hung out with us in the theater department - alas, he wasn't very good as an actor, but he was a) pretty and b) sexually uninhibited. He probably was his best in a production of "Short Eyes", which was all about men in prison (think "Oz"), where he played a newbie. He fucked men and women and everyone wanted to be with him - but only once. He wasn't very good in bed, and when he was with men he only topped and wouldn't suck.

None of us were surprised by Madonna's comments about him years later.

How many stupid fucking posts about how HANDSOME he was.

The point's been made!

I saw him give a speech just before he died. He seemed like a good-lucking, well-meaning, if not exceptionally bright, guy. I wouldn't say he was any "hotter" than I was (at the time) or any number of similar men without a famous name. But, yes he was attractive and seemed like a good dude.

R5, I would give anything to have had that experience.

He was American Royalty. I still can't believe he's gone.

As I've posted before, my sister once met him and felt there was no there there.

And, R49, I was noticing that JFK, Jr. was starting to lose his looks shortly before he died.

R48, ya know WTF

He was never going into politics. He was already famous enough. He didn't have the Kennedy political fight in him.

What do you think his future would have been?

I see that the asylum's internet connection must have been restored.

He was gorgeous, he was a nice guy but he was dumb as a post.

I've posted before about this: I was in school in Boston same time as Carolyn when she was at BU, we had some mutual acquaintances/friends. She looked totally different then, heavier with darker hair teased very big which was the style then. Stone washed jeans, booties and tank tops. Was very sweet and seemed to have a decent sense of humor.

She has some kind of problem with her mother and spent a summer waitressing at Kenmore Square to make money since they weren't sending her any from home. My summer roommate worked with her.

Wished I paid more attention back then but no one thought she'd become Mrs. JFK Jr back then. An NHL wife maybe (she liked her hockey players) but not Jackie O's successor, no way.

Was he a cheater or a serial monogamist?

I always got the feeling John John was kind of a nice guy, casual and mannered (which he was, Mom taught him well). He felt he had to do something because of his name but I think he might have preferred being an anonymous guy running a small airport down in the Caribbean. There must be a curse on the Kennedys. They lose all their men, leaving the women behind. Joe Jr. was the old man's original pick for President.

R59's link

Thanks R60.

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Lem with "date."

Jack and Lem? Hmmmm.

Mugging for the camera. 1937

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I'm sure Lem could suck a cock as well as anyone else...cock sucking was not required of women back then.

I thought he cruised me once, R46, at the 1789 restaurant in Georgetown in the early '80s.

They really should make a movie about the JFK/Lem friendship.

Great idea, R70. Jack Schlossberg could play JFK, and I could play Lem.

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Lem was far better looking than JFK

Carolyn had the most beautiful wedding dress. I remember in those days the dresses were horrible, frilly, puffy monstrosities a la Princess Di. She changed that.

I told this story before but so what,I want to again ! I was working in west palm beach at a convenience store in the mid 80s,and John John came in and bought some gum and evian.I was as starstruck as some teenage girl,having recognized him instantly. He was very polite,looked me dead in the eyes the whole time we interacted, commented on the weather,and thanked me. He radiated a calm,confident sexiness.Pictures did not do him justice,he was ridiculously handsome in real life. I think he was secretly amused at my obvious giddiness !

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[quote]Carolyn had the most beautiful wedding dress. I remember in those days the dresses were horrible, frilly, puffy monstrosities a la Princess Di. She changed that.

Yes, indeed. The Wales married in 1981. The Kennedys in 1996.

I remember wedding dresses being locked in style. For those fifteen years.

About the accident:

Speaking as a professional, JFK Jr had indeed purchased a high performance aircraft that was well beyond his abilities. Most of his flight time had actually been in hang gliders - not aircraft. He could say he had xx amount of flight hours but it was a stretch. Very basic fixed gear medium horsepower aircraft, Pipers or Cessnas were a fit for his level of proficiency.

He was wise to add an instrument rating, (any pilot should have that for those unexpected moments of cloud cover) but had only applied it in a Flight Safety simulator or with an instructor in an aircraft - sort of in a cram course. He wanted the man toy, the high performance Piper Saratoga, fast complicated and most insurance companies would have required a flight instructor for a brief time to accompany low experience owner operators.

Night & Dusk or Haze is deadly. As someone that flew all these areas when my own time was low I know the total concentration, high level of flight experience it would have required when the horizon (which is how most low experience pilots fly - looking OUT) was obscured by haze or darkness. He was completely inexperienced at focusing 100% on his instrumentation, and the mechanical needs of this aircraft.

A good pilot listens to his or her inner voice on these issues. He had reportedly told George colleagues that Carolyn wanted him to fly late afternoon to Marthas vineyard - like maybe after dark like, "Oh yeah, she wants me to do it after dark!" and he manly joked about "Landings maybe after dark!"

He became disoriented and couldnt figure up from down or climb or descend. It is a huge leap in experience and he didnt have it to fall on. This was a stiupid and unecessary death. A good insurance company would have not permitted this.

After all in those bad old days anyone could have plunked down many dollars and come away with a Flight Safety certificate of qualification. So that is what he did. (Even the 9/11 murderous human garbage hijackers did this only without completing the training at a diff facility) Hopefully it is now more stringent.

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yes, I ran into him on the streets of manhattan. He was parking his bicycle dressed in a suit, he was oh so HOT! Much better looking in person and so much confidence.

[quote]I don't know if JFK Jr. would have run for the Senate seat in 2000. I don't think he was really that ambitious or wanted to do that much work.

In that case I suspect he would have flown right into it.

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Seeing him buzzing around on his bike or playing football in Central Park was one of the things that was so cool about living in NYC in the early 90s. He really had no pretensions whatsoever. Interacted with him once at a restaurant called Nick and Eddie in Soho. He was interested in my friend - a girl - who worked at Tony Shafrazi gallery. They flirted a little but she had a boyfriend so she didn't go further with it. He did show up at the gallery a little while later asking for her but she had just quit. This was right before he started dating Carolyn.

What r78 said -- but even highly experienced instrument rated pilots will sometimes lose it and get disoriented when they turn out over dark open water.

I met him several times and knew Carolyn. He was by far the best looking man I ever saw up close, and I am including Michael Bergin, Hugh Grant around the time of Notting Hill, Keanu Reeves who I know pretty well, James Marsden, Hugh Jackman, Ryan Gosling, Edgar Ramirez in Domino, Christian Bale in his American Psycho days, Mark Vanderloo in his DKNY days, John Barrowman (before botox) Josh Hartnett when he did Virgin Suicides. JFK,jr blew them all away. And he had flawless manners and was polite and grounded.

R85, since you said you know Keanu Pretty well, is he off the drugs? Did he get married?

R83 Exactly, my feelings also R85 Thank you for honoring his memory

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Dear 86. He's trying. Depends on if he's working or not. No, he is not married.

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at what age did he stop having secret service agents with him?

Too bad JFK Jr. didn't live long enough to have kids at least. now all of the President's direct heirs will have the Schlossberg name, not saying that's bad, but it's kind of nice to have the direct male line.

r92, kindly join us in the 21st Century, with 7 billion people and finite oil, drinking water and other precious resources.

Shut up R93! Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

R54 Philanthropy.

R92,

It's Darwinism, baby.

Thank you to Captain Anonymous for the details.

Small plane crashes happen all the time. There is a magazine for small planes--I think it is AOCC or some acronym--that has a column every month that analyzes a deadly crash from the month before. (I used to have a friend who was a pilot and would read their mags.) The most memorable column that I read was a crash that killed all five people aboard who were just weekend joyriders. Trouble was that they were all fatties and the pilot had underestimated their aggregate weights, so the plane could not ascend correctly.

The old man R62 actually wanted it for himself but because of his big mouth in regards to sympathize with Hitler - shot himself in foot. Joe Jr. was his next chose and finally JFK. JFK was a sickly kid and the old man had his doubts according to rumours. JFK and Jr. did have one thing in common, they both apparently sucked in bed.

[quote]Old Joe felt that JFK didn't have the brains to be elected.

Well, he proved him wrong didn't he?

JFK was on speed through his entire presidency, thanks to Max Jacobsen. I'm sure that would affect his performance, i.e., "quick and fast, my pleasure only, please leave." I don't know what JFK Jr's excuse was, but damn he was fine and I can't imagine anyone turning him down for a second go. He somehow managed to get the best of both parents in the looks dept., unlike homely Caroline. I doubt we'll see the likes of JFK Jr. again in my lifetime. Besides his movie star looks, he worked at being accessible and polite to everybody, until Carolyn Bessette couldn't take the paps anymore and asked him to handle it for her. He tried, but of course just made it worse for both of them. Miss him like crazy. The world just seemed better with him in it.

[quote]Old Joe felt that JFK didn't have the brains to be elected.

No, he didn't have the brains to be re-elected.

And apparently he may have left a byblow...

[quote]Old Joe felt that JFK didn't have the brains to be elected.

[quote]Well, he proved him wrong didn't he?

We sure did.

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I've often wonders if Jackie had not forbid Jr. from acting, would he have been any good. His looks and pedigree would have opened a lot of doors and jobs but movies are still a money making industry and wonder if he would have had the staying power. He could have always produced and banged like his grandfather.

Wow, if JFK Jr. had a baby, that would be fabulous. The kid would be a huge celebrity.

I don't think John John had any acting ability. He was more model material.

Does anyone out there believe R101? I find it hard to believe but anything is possible I guess.

[quote]Small plane crashes happen all the time.

Which is why it is easy to stage a crash and pass it off as an accident. Ari Onassis' son was murdered in a sabotaged airplane. Jackie was frightened that her son would be killed the same way. She forbade him to fly a plane for that very reason. He foolishly took up flying after she died and that is how they assassinated him.

I don't believe R101, although I would like it to be true.

[quote]R12

Pretty much nailed it.

Why would anyone assassinate him? He obviously wanted nothing to do with politics, he does not control fleet of oil tankers like Ari did. Never heard of anyone getting offed because they we too pretty.

R110, of course he thought about going into politics. JFK Jr. could have had any elected office he desired, pretty much for the asking - a prospect that alarmed both Democrats and Republicans. The higher up the political pyramid you go, the closer the collusion there is among "opponents." People of both parties benefited from his elimination.

R104 -- I think JFK Jr would have been like Matthew Salinger, JD's son -- okay, but nothing memorable, and even hyped, not for long.

Except Matt Salinger wasn't 1/10th as good-looking as JFK, Jr, R112.

When I was a kid, a puddle jumper crashed into my tutors car in front of his house. Well, he got a new car out of it. Small planes crash all the time.

[quote]People of both parties benefited from his elimination.

In what way?

He was so innocuous.

[quote]In what way?

The carpetbagger Clinton might have lost her Senate seat from NY to a genuine NY resident.

George W. Bush might have lost in 2004 to Senator JFK Jr. in a landslide too big to steal away.

R116,

You're assuming too much, don't you think?

They were both doing coke.

I thought I read somewhere that the remaining Bessett sister is living in Europe, something like she just wanted to leave the United States to start new after the deaths of her sisters.

I've been curious if she got married and had kids herself - I hope she is happy whatever she is doing.

Don't worry, r119. She comes from a wealthy family, and the Kennedy's settled out of court with a huge settlement after the crash.

I'm not worried R120, just nosey.

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I read a book by Michael Bergin, the underwear model she dated before Jfk Jr. He claimed the he and Carolyn continued to have sex after she married JFK Jr.

Gee OP, simply subscribe to Vanity Fair, sit back, and read the in-depth features they run every five months on John Jr, Carolyn, their marriage, their arguments, their dress sense, his manners, their preferred eateries, their apartment decor, the variety of breakfast foods prepared by their man servant each morning, her hair colour, her drug use, their dog, George magasine, their deaths, their icon status as the ultimate 90's It Couple......

Shit--I googled John-John to reminisce since I hadn't seen a photo in years, and I nearly jumped out of my skin.

There are autopsy photos on the internet.

[quote]You're assuming too much, don't you think?

Politics is a blood sport at the top of the pyramid. There is a lot of evidence to suggest that JFK Jr. was murdered.

Here is a long article worth checking out if you are willing to look at it with an open mind.

R126,

I'll look at it if there are NOT any photos of dead people.

There are no gruesome pics on that site, R127.

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Digital cameras were in use in 1999.

[quote]George W. Bush might have lost in 2004 to Senator JFK Jr. in a landslide too big to steal away.

Wouldn't that have made heaven a place on earth?

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R129,

Thanks for the all clear! I seem to have an abnormally retentive memory for frightening photos.

[quote]R29

Agreed. I remember hearing on tv & reading at the time that Ted Kennedy made it abundantly clear that if any photographic images were to emerge that there would be hell to pay. Every precaution was taken and the bodies were cremated as soon as they were released.

Images of his 2 (of 3) brothers were already out there for public consumption and he didn't want the Kennedys to have even more.

Alright, the dead body photo came from this site, popping up at the google images at the top.

It said it was purported to be him at the time, but the guy writing the article didn't think it was him.

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It's a big shift: from photogenic, nice-seeming, breezy and urbane '90's Camelot It couples, to the phantasmagoric consumerist sex and greed NYC tabloid zombies of the 2010's.

R116, you need another drink. Enough with all the conspiracy theories.

The ritual murder of a young prince. Sounds like a Masonic ritual to me.

John-john was a terrible lover? Wasnt rhere an article from one of his mistresses..that sex with him was breathtaking?...but hey..good looking men are usually terrible..so that could be true.

R141 JFK Sr. was notoriously bad in the sack. Maybe he took after Dad.

lol r124

He was gay. 100% sure

JFK Jr could have been elected Senator from NY, over Hillary. He would have the same qualifications to be President as Barack Obama had by 2008.

Yes, JFK, Jr. was a beautiful man thanks to good breeding and upbringing. That being the case, why on earth would he ever date someone as hideous as Sarah Jessica Parker?

He was nice and well mannered and classy. Exhibitionist.

Thank god he was an exhibitionist

I recall many people saying it was a good thing Jackie was no longer around to when John died. Then again, he would not have been flying if she were.

[quote]thanks to good breeding and upbringing

How do you account for the sister then ?

John Jr lucked out because he looked like a good mix from the gene pool. The sister looks pure Kennedy, or should I say Fitzgerald. Caroline isn't particularly attractive, does not speak well, at least not when giving a speech, nor does she possess much in the way of pizzazz.

Caroline is also reportedly very cunty.

whenever I hear Caroline talk, I can only hear how many times she says "you know".

no, Caroline, I don't know.

[quote]Caroline is also reportedly very cunty.

Well, she's never and will never, escape the images of her father's brains being blown out, so I sort of let her slide for being cunty.

[quote] JFK Jr could have been elected Senator from NY, over Hillary. He would have the same qualifications to be President as Barack Obama had by 2008.

I have a hard time believing that he had that kind of fire in his belly.

John-John sort of reminds me of Chelsea--not really sure of their own ambitions, but on the bon vivant track in life.

R129,

A tip from me to you: avoid the Jack the Ripper Casebook site.

It's the stuff of nightmares.

R144 BULLSHIT

I'm disappointed we have yet to hear on this thread from the once-omnipresent Kennedy Worship Troll, who always impotently demands no one dare refer to John-John as "John-John" because he hated that nickname (as if that had anything to do with anything).

This thread is useless without pictures!

I pick my nose.

John's ex's were probably relieved they were no longer with John

Here you go R158.

Very gay, poor man.

Beefy!

[quote]How do you account for the sister then ?

They have different fathers. JFK Jr. was a Kennedy in name only. Fiat heir Giovanni Agnelli was JFK Jr.'s real father. All the Kennedys of that generation including Caroline look like each other. Only JFK Jr. had no trace whatsoever of the distinctive Kennedy Irish look.

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[quote]John looked a lot like Jackie's father, John Vernou Bouvier. Gianni Agnelli was a frog-faced troll.

Neely O`Hara sings like a bird. You sound like a frog!

This woman he supposedly had an affair with during his marriage to Bessette looks so much like his wife did. Eerie.

[quote]R167

And doesn't she looked pleased with herself ? Few of the women he dated were really beautiful; most 'attractive' at best.

Can somebody come up with a photo of Carolyn that shows how hot she was. If you look at this picture, when she and John first started seeing each other she was heavier. Then she started, uh, slimming.

R168, She was pretty when she was younger but she hardly qualified for hot. Now John John on the other hand was quite hat and then some. John got the looks and Caroline got the brains.

JFK Jr. was sweet, but he had a flatulence problem.

R168, it's true that Carolyn wasn't hot, but I think she had a model look about her, and she carried herself in an ice princess way (see link, albeit with good lighting). It seems that a lot of famous guys date an endless string of women with that unavailable look to them rather than "hot" or "pretty" women. I might add that oftentimes the guys who do this have gay rumors about them (not that I am privy to any about JFK Jr.).

R170, Were you caught down wind of him one day? Does wealthy pampered gas smell any better?

Their public fights were creepy.

I remember the publicity one of their fights had. I always got the feeling Carolyn was the one who started them. The scene in the park with John sitting on the curb crying really got to me.

He looks like a scolded child. She always seemed a raving bitch to me. You could tell people were reading from the PR script trying to "make her happen" as we say these days.

Saw her twice in person before Kennedy in the LES, she kept an apartment there for awhile. Yes she was tall around 5'9-10" but otherwise very ordinary looking as a whole and had severe facial features that got worse when she lost weight and went too blonde. Her eyes were pretty striking- icy blue. She was very much the type of east coast girl who moves to Manhattan to bag a rich wall street type = Bitchy Conneticut girl swinging above her weight. She got the prize but soon realized she was out of her depth.

[quote] She was very much the type of east coast girl who moves to Manhattan to bag a rich wall street type = Bitchy Conneticut girl swinging above her weight. She got the prize but soon realized she was out of her depth.

I get a kick out of people who talk as you do.

In his skivvies.

Holy shit the photo @ r177. wowza.

R164 is screaming at himself.

Wow is right. That's him in his prime. GREAT legs!

He was a very nice guy- hardly dumb as some have stated on this thread. Yeah it took him a few shots to pass the NYC bar- but he did. I got to know him casually in the late 80s when he was in law school at NYU. We were regulars at the same time at the NYU Cole gym. He was well aware of his celebrity- a bit of an exhibitionist- with a wink- and as I said- nice as could be. And painfully good looking- even more so in person because his manner was so genuinely awe shucks.

Anyone else remember the beautiful dog they had? It was a really rare breed. I always wondered what happened to the poor thing after they died.

Oprah's embarrassing interview with JFK jr

What was she on...?

Compatible?

Fighting? Or just exhausted from the summer heat?

r182 A male friend of John's adopted it I heard. I can't think of his name but I believe he has given interviews (somewhat known on his own).

Thank god John inherited his looks from the Bouvier side of the family. He was truly blessed.

His high top Converse in the pic at R186 are badass.

I miss American public figures like this. Glam, but humble.

Gayish? Or just Metrosexual avant la lettre?

Just because:

Xmas was just around the corner:

In his prime:

Golden Beach Boy:

Baby's got back:

Has John ever play for the other team?

I think he totally got the Fashion Gene from Mummy, always so effortlessly stylish.

Unfortunately, I don't think there has been a similar sartorial successor in the American public life since.

I wish he was still around - he seemed to enjoy playing with the papparazzi seemed a lot more carefree than stuffy Caroline. Maybe because Caroline was the older sibling and has more memories of her father, the funeral, was able to feel the emotion, and I think that has stayed with her her entire life, why I think she has that sad look in her eyes.

John was young enough to not remember and understand the assassination and funeral. said he had no real memories of his father, but he seemed to go through life with a carefree attitude.

Anyone know what became of that final Bessette sister, the only one of the three not killed in the plane crash, and their mom?

I always felt horrible for them. Half the family wiped out by JFK Jr's ineptitude and ego.

[quote]And painfully good looking-

It's a wonder that you survived the magnificent pain from being so distantly near him, charlie.

I don't remember Lisa Bessette ever doing interviews. She moved to Europe sometime after the tragedy and the Bessettes got an out of court settlement from the Kennedys.

My godmother lived near John and Carolyn and, from what she told me, it was indeed Carolyn who started a lot of the fights.

My godmother almost never actually crossed their paths because of her work schedule, but not long before the plane crash, she passed him on the street. He was on his way home, on those crutches and having a hard time trying to carry a couple of bags with take-out or something like that. So, she offered to help him and carried the bags home with him. She said he was very kind and sincerely appreciated that she'd stopped to help.

But as soon as he got into his place, she could hear Carolyn starting to bitch at him. Yelling loud enough to hear her through the door, demanding to know "who was that" and sounding horrible jealous instead of being glad some older lady was kind enough to lend a hand.

I would have loved to be JFK Jr. dog, sitting in the bathroom doorway watching him wash, then I'd run up to him and give his dick a quick lick. Oh that would be nice.

"Here, Friday."

r180 and r193

JFK Jr. was always in his prime. I don't think he ever looked bad.

Tragic he died so young. I am his age now (38) when he died, and that was not enough time for him on this earth.

I went to live with John-John's (formerly Jackie's) assistant, Efigenio Pinheiro. I died in 2004.

Did Friday realize that his owners died on a Friday?

I too saw him in a Village restaurant on his way to the men's room. Time literally stood still - he was that beautiful.

R206,

Thanks.

Will his nephew ever fill his uncle's shoes in the looks-department?

He is certainly trying to imitate his hair.

He already does, R210 (well, [italic]almost[/italic]).

JFK Jr looked better to me. Maybe his nephew has to grow up some

Jack S. is the living embodiment of my type, as his uncle was when he was still alive.

Matt Dillon is another one.

I don't think they would have let Caroline marry Schlossberg had they foresaw JFK Jr dying without an heir...

"Had they foresaw," R215?

Do you think Jack Schlossberg would say "had they foresaw"?

John-John might have, OTOH.

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On the other hand, the only JFK male heir being a big fat Jew is giving Grandpa Joe postmortem strokes.

For those just tuning in, the overwhelming consensus is that JFK, Jr. was just the handsomest, sexiest man you ever did see!

Carry on.

The Kennedy hair certainly is a dominant trait isn't it. Every one of them, male and female, has piles of it.

Coulter was not as deranged in the 90s as she is now.

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R222 - He had Coulter write for George. The OP mentioned that.

[quote] Coulter was not as deranged in the 90s as she is now.

Our memories are very different.

She was a hard line conservative back then, but she was not as angry at liberals prior to 9/11.

I did some genealogy research recently and found out that I'm related to Bouviers and Kennedys. I'm not sure if I'm related to the famous families, but who knows. People have been telling me my whole life that I look like I could be a Kennedy.

r220 I was at the Kennedy Library for Teddy's (public) wake and the courtyard at one point was full of Kennedys, Lawfords, and Shrivers of ever stripe, as they had all come outside to greet the public who had been waiting there for hours in the heat to see the casket.

Every one of them stood out in the crowd. You knew who was a Kennedy immediately, they were all taller, toothier and with tons of hair (the great hair and teeth really set them apart). Plus the added aura - it really does exist with them, even the unknown family members.

He must have been pretty fucked up to marry a ball-buster like Carolyn Bessette.

Someone mentioned the photograph showing him holding out a pair of shorts for her to step into. That's REALLY submissive. But an even more disturbing photo was one taken after they'd had one of their screaming public fights. Poor John-John, prostrate with emotion, was seated on the sidewalk, with his face buried in his arms to prevent people from seeing he was CRYING. Carolyn was standing over him, her long mane of dyed blonde hair in disarray, looking down at him with pity. Another picture of that incident shows her taking him into her arms to comfort him after their terrible row. This was NOT a relationship destined to last.

He had a type. Darryl Hannah, Sarah Jessica Parker and Carolyn have similar looks, IMO. All the features that are supposed to make a woman hot...but slightly off or wonky somehow.

R227, to me, Robert Redford always looked like a lost Kennedy too. It's the teeth and hair, just jumped off a sailboat look.

Jackie was worried that her son would turn out to be a sissy. Maybe her fears came true. and maybe he sought out the bitchy bossy ones like Carolyn.

I remember Geraldo Rivera - who doesn't appear to be a 6 footer - boasting he was taller than JFK, Jr. Yet JFK, Jr. was said to be 6'1". Just how tall was he really?

Sigh. He was dreamy.

Geraldo Rivera is a fucking idiot and boring no matter what he's talking about.

Geraldo Rivera

He ruined sports when he did that story about the Heisman Trophy winner whose brother had leukemia.

Geraldo didn't mean to ruin sports by doing that sad tale, but it opened the door to the tidal wave of sad tales that hit in the late 90s when that ABC producer got cancer and after that, no Olympic medal counted unless there was a sad tale to go along with it.

I've read mixed accounts of how JFK,Jr.and Bessette met.

But I do know that Darryl Hannah was with him during Jackie O's funeral ad it seemed like only day later I saw pix of him and Bessette.

R33 I have never heard anyone suggest suicide but after reading the Vanity Fair article on them it crossed my mind. They were living apart and she refused help for the drug use or marriage problems and wouldn't get pregnant. He was losing the magazine and his cousin and best friend to terminal cancer.

I remember those photos on a boat when they were first dating. He was helping her into kayaking gear. There was also one on a tabloid of her bare bottom in a thong. It seems to have completely disappeared.

I loved her style. I'm nearly 6fy tall with the same body type and simple clean looks best. Otherwise it's just too much.

r237

What is your problem R200?

FYI- several of my siblings know Kennedy's quite well- and at least one spent time in my family's summer home- circumstance (school) and proximity- my brother in law was roommates and very close friends with Joe K- my brother knows Caroline from Harvard and some other stuff. John and I did have some things in common which is why it was easy to develop a casual acquaintance. Like others on this thread I think he was in thrawl of a beautiful but very difficult woman- that came long after he graduated from NYU.

If this information bothers you R200- sorry. I think some people like first had gossip- or impressions. Others merely get angry for reasons that are not clear to me. That's why I don't post that much on DL anymore.

I've enjoyed your posts for many years, Charlie.

Charlie,

Please, ignore the prickly pears on the site. I have always enjoyed your posts, and I know I'm not alone.

+3, Charlie

Thanks 238! I remember her ass being better but it's still pretty great.

She looks hot in that VF photo series. Stylish, with the bell bottoms.

I think the Bergin book makes her out to be a bt of a status conscious user. Though he was still really in love with her. I think that he said she ad several abortions too. I guess she wasn't THAT Catholic

Calm down Charlie. It had nothing to do with your intimate involvement with American royalty and everything to do with your stupid phrase "painfully good looking."

From your viewpoint, Charlie, the post at R200 provided you with the opportunity to engage in a favorite hobby - name dropping. Before you assume that I don't like name dropping, I enjoy the way you litter your posts with interesting celeb names.

I "name drop" because the topic of this thread- the I drop, I got to know casually. As you know I have "dropped" the name of others who I have personal experience with as well. This is a gossip site, right?

It's fun and I derive no more value from it than I do from chatting with my neighbors in the elevator. But I have for the most part ceased because the snarky responses take all the fun out of it.

My experience with John- (and his mother) were completely enjoyable- class acts and incredibly charismatic.

Dear Charlie: pls keep posting, I thoroughly enjoy your so-called 'name-dropping'!

So effortlessly stylish, and ahead of the environmentally friendly curve:

And a great shot of Mum and Dad:

Little John-John at the helm:

Working with partner Michael Berman on 'George' the magazine:

"Status conscious user" = bitchy girl from Conn. swinging above her weight.

How do men go for this schitk? And like all he gf's listed above, she was horse-faced. how is that hot or desirable?

She was sexy. High-maintenance, but hot. She probably didn't act impressed, which added to her allure.

A boy and his Coke:

R250, do you think he called Jackie "Mum"? That's so English.

How can a horsefaced bitchy cunt be hot?!

You heteros deserve all the grief you get from them.

It's sad Kennedy did make a better match. I call mommy issues. He was beautiful, I hate that he's gone.

[quote]flag: [ww] [ff] [troll-dar] [R250], do you think he called Jackie "Mum"? That's so English.

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As a matter of fact, according to one of his handwritten notes reproduced in the memoirs 'Fairy Tale Interrupted', he wrote: '...we only auction mummy's jewelry once a life.'

'Mummy': yes very English upper-class indeed.

Who would have been worthy of him? I mean, aside from the posters upthread ( who may imagine themselves covered in lace walking up the aisle at Notre Dame) and Princess Diana (of course).

I think it's admirable that he didn't marry Muffie Vanderbilt-Mellon-Ford. Maybe, just maybe, it was a love match.

There are all sorts of social types, but he just needed a nice girl strong enough to endure all the publicity and, more, the Kennedy family dynamics.

Maybe he married her, because he thought he could change her?

Charlie, a number of us enjoy your anecdotes. You've been regaling us with your stories for years and I like knowing the info you share is the real thing.

The whole "namedropping" allegation is stupid anyway. Living and working in areas of New York and attending an Ivy, you'd be hard pressed not to have interactions with celebs. IIRC, you were in school decades ago, so there was not a lot of social media. People actually talked with those in their environment, which was true everywhere.

[r261] Are you well? straight MEN don't do that, straight women do!

Horsefaced can never equal hot!

Who's Charlie?

Pre-Manhatten, Besette had all the chic of a young Carmela Soprano. Acid-washed denim blouson, teased hair and dark roots. Ouch.

I think she was lucky enough to run into some gay men in NYC who were kind enough to teach her to build a capsule wardrobe of minimal multi-tasking pieces in black, white, camel with touches of rust or carmine.

It takes discipline and control to dress minimally. She obviously had an eating disorder and seemed moody or even ragey. But I admire a woman who rejects flowery, messy femininity in their dress.

Plus I liked to wear white to hide the remnants of coke on my blouse, R265.

JFK's sister hated his wife.

Carolyn Bessette seemed like a typically graceless, striving harpy. Not so pretty, but pretty enough with a thin body. Guys go nuts for this type, and shrewish girls always seem to attract men! I wouldn't invite this type, man or woman for a cup of coffee!

According to Carole Radizwill, who was married to JFK, Jr's first cousin and best friend, Anthony, Carolyn Bessette was funny, affectionate, and impulsive, qualities that Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg wasn't, and the two just never clicked. The tension only grew worse because Caroline was a little dictator who would boss all the Kennedys around, and if anyone had problem with that, she would sic her bulldog husband on them and bully them into submission. It frustrated Carolyn to no end that Junior didn't have the balls to challenge his sister's authority. Carolyn was also constantly locking heads with Ed Schlossberg, who reportedly detested her.

In his memoirs, Robert Kennedy Jr detailed how Caroline was to meet with Ann Freeman, the Bessette girls' grieving mom, about where the deceased trio were to be buried. Ann wanted them buried in the Bessette family plot in Connecticut, but feared that the Kennedys would spirit them away to Brookline. Caroline instead sent her husband Ed in her place. The Bessettes knew how much he hated Carolyn and made her life miserable, so it was slap in the face. "He bullied, bullied, bullied the shattered grieving mother," RFK Jr. wrote.

At the memorial service, Ed "behaved like a dictator" and vetoed RFK Jr's plan to eulogize John and Carolyn, telling Carolyn's grieving sister Lisa, "Kennedy's don't eulogize non-Kennedys." It's no wonder that Jackie hated him.

You know, you don't have to give in to a bully, unless they are holding a gun on you.

You simply have to make a huge scene and in the Kennedy's case, talk to the press.

Did you ever think that Caroline is exactly like her mother?

Was Caroline Kennedy even at her brother's wedding? I remember seeing Edward and other male cousins but I don't ever remember seeing photos of Caroline or Carolyn's mother and sisters.

Anytime I read anything concerning the Kennedy's I think of poor Marilyn.

Poor jfk, jr. Every gift but the gift of time.

Caroline and her husband sound horrible. When she wanted the senate seat to be handed to her you could see the sense of entitlement.

Carolyn did seem a bit cold and aloof, but that's probably what landed JFK Jr. I remember after the college girlfriend all he dated was models or actresses. A normal woman never had a shot. I didn't consider Carolyn a regular woman, she was a fashionista. I found her attractive, more than beautiful. Men are more attracted to confidence and presence than pure beauty I believe. Unless they are 60-70 yr old billionaire who only want arm candy. Either way, had they lived, I don't think they would have still been married. Where there is smoke, there's fire.

A little tidbit I remember reading. On their Turkish honeymoon they were dining in a restaurant where they overhead a woman at another table remark that Carolyn was no beauty ( I don't think the tourist knew they were sitting right near her, if the story is to be believed).

Can we hear from someone who sucked his cock now?

Carolyn had a great body and could wear clothes well.

She had really large feet, just like her MIL. I mean HUGE.

She was prettier when she smiled (like most people!)

I liked her style and her look. She looked like a Botticelli painting or something.

It's unreal that it will be 15 years ago on July 16th that he died. I'm sure his sister dreads this day every year.

I was traveling to a wedding the day when it was announced that JFK Jr's plane was missing. I remember watching some of the CNN coverage about the search in my hotel room.

He had the most beautiful thighs I've ever seen - well shaped and hairy.

r277, those pictures are nice but does she have any tops that aren't black?

It has been 15yrs!! It's seems impossible that he has been gone that long. She was stylish but no fashionista. And she WAS a regular woman with a reptilian face and pear shaped body! She had height in her favor so she didn't seem stumpy like shorter women with the same shape. She didn't come from money and trained to be a teacher at Boston Uni. Altogether ordinary - minimal education, short on marketable skills and long on ambition(read as social climbing). What could be more ordinary, typical of a Conneticut frau?

Thank you for sharing that R282.

LES = Alphabet City?

It looked really bad there in Angels in America.

Fifteen years -- TPTB have really fucked with time...

[R287] Lower East Side I lived on 12th street between 1st and 2nd in the early in the nineties.

Bump

Of all that has been said of JFK, Jr., it's undoubtedly true that most of us who saw something we liked in JFK, Sr. did some "projecting" onto "John John." I'm a Gen-Xer, I was born as JFK left the world and have no memory of presidency. But, becoming interested as a kid at the tragedy of his death, have studied, and have come to care deeply for the man, and respect him, despite his faults.

JFK's goal in life was NOT to be president, at least at first. It was to teach history (college-level, of course). He was a great lover of history, a historian who even belonged to a notable American historical guild. The death of his older brother, Joe, Jr., changed the trajectory of his life.

JFK was the most pragmatic of the Kennedy Brothers, though RFK was probably the less reckless when it came to the womanizing that Joseph Sr. taught his boys--VERY WRONGLY--was OK.

I've read and studied a plethora on the assassination (and I still cry every time I see the Zapruder Film--and did, as well, when I watched the movie "Parkland"; the film is pretty historically accurate, all things considered.)

The best argument FOR Oswald acting alone is "Case Closed" by Gerald Posner (he also wrote an investigative book on the death of MLK). Still, I can't be certain. I can answer most every question (the "magic bullet" being the easiest to dispel) EXCEPT why William Greer, the Secret Service agent driving the X-100 (the President's limo) HIT the breaks? I'm also at a loss at Roy Kellerman--JFK's personal Secret Service agent--didn't respond quickly and attempt to get to the president and pull him down and shield him (JFK was being held upright because of his back brace). We'll never know.

As for JFK, Jr. He still hadn't found himself at the time of his death, and we don't know if he ever would have; again, we project onto him our own wishes, prejudices, etc.

I do know that JFK, Jr.--as a 17, 18, 19-year old teen gave me (only a few years younger) feelings I couldn't explain.

R12 & R269 You summed JFK, Jr. and his wife up perfectly.

One little tidbit - John F. Kennedy, Jr. referred to his mother as "mummy".

Bump.

R190, thanks for the photo.

Those nips! That treasure trail! Those hairy legs! That almost VPL!

Rich, looks, social status, too bad he was dumb but I guess that doesn't really count.

He sure had poor taste in women. Bessette always looked like a nasty piece of work. She probably denied him sex too. Does anyone else think her sister looked kind of gay?

All the Kennedys, including Teddy, have been thorough one percenters who have never been considered a threat to the rich. The original JFK was a threat to the John Birchers in the military but none of these Kennedys were of the people or for the people.

Dddddd

R295, RFK and Teddy definitely were for the poor. They were quite populist. JFK was more conservative compared to them.

Out of all the family members, I feel most terribly for Carolyn's mom. I can only imagine the squeals of delight when her daughter brought THAT home. Who would have ever guessed it would have ended with both of her daughters dead ?

Great thread. Thanks for bringing it back. And yeah CBK was a homely horse faced fuck Thank heavens she was on that plane. Could imagine if she wasn't? We'd be subjected to the widow's withering face. Thank god she's gone. Sorry.

R299, You are awful.

R300, I know. That's why the sorry close. I have no tolerance for homely women fluffed up by the press. Can't fucking stand it. Her eyes creeped all of us out. Admit it.

She was ugly as hell. Desperate journalists tried to make her happen as a fashion plate. Sickening. She wore the same MAC products as everyone else. Egyptian musk oil, the whole deal. She was so common, it hurt.

Always amazed me that she had the balls to rock the pulled off hair. Not many can get away with it. She was no exception. Jr. really had his bar set a little too low.

JKF Jr. may have been unconsciously looking for a domineering, controlling woman to marry, as a sort of replacement for his domineering, contolling mother. Carolyn filled the bill. Otherwise what man would have stayed with a woman who literally made him cry, on purpose?

Charlie from R181, are you still reading this site? If so can you give more details about your time going to the same NYU gym John did? You stated he was an exhibitionist - you must have seen him in the showers. Please fill us in on the details we're all secretly thinking about and wondering about.

Apparently, John was originally intended to be a target of Outpost's Absolutely Queer campaign.

[quote]Within weeks, the gay pranksters warn, Absolutely Queer John-John Kennedy posters will be going up all over Manhattan. "John Kennedy Jr.'s homosexuality is one of New York City's best kept secrets," declared Dr. James Serafini, an openly gay psychiatrist who is a co-conspirator in the Outpost scheme. "And now we're going to share it with the rest of the world. Our poster campaigns against other gay celebrities have gotten nationwide attention, and now, whether he likes it or not, John-John is about to be dragged out of the closet. He'd better brace himself."

Here is a website with a bunch of pictures of JFK Jr. and Carolyn together

R305 interesting. I would say in defense of Outpost's accuracy, many of those pictured on the Absolutely Queer posters eventually came out: Jodie Foster, David Geffen, Greg Louganis.

While others who were outed never came out--Whitney Houston, John Travolta, Barry Diller--does anyone these days believe they are/were straight?

Bi ok

r304 Frankly, I never saw what John Jr. saw in her. She made him cry as you mentioned, cheated on him, and wouldn't even let him touch her hair because it was so fragile from all of the bleaching. Given the fact the woman was not attractive, and yes I said it: she was a dog. It does make you question what did psychological need she filled for John Jr.

R196 Why are you resurrecting a two year old thread?

Indeed, R310. It's not like we didn't already have a John-John thread going.

The first photos we saw of Carolyn was on the front of a Boston Whaler as John took her out on the water. She must have looked at the photos and freaked. She looked healthy, but not skinny. Only a saint could withstand the scrutiny JFK Jr. was destined to have for the rest of his life. He was America's Prince, a boy whose father was taken too young, and we felt protective of him.

Still I can see what he saw in her. She was beautiful. BC (before coke).

Before Coke. Carolyn's introductory photograph.

He really did love to pose.

r312 With that nose and bug eyes. Oh, my dear I don't think so. Those photographs were all about lighting. JFK Jr. was beautiful on the other hand.

[quote]Wikipedia says he failed the bar exam twice.

"Gorgeous but D U M B. The first question on the exam was name a dead president. Think stupid, think. 'Uh dad' ? "

What's not clear in reading this thread is whether he was good-looking or not. Why will no one address that?

[quote] He was America's Prince,

Now there's an original thought!

[quote] a boy whose father was taken too young, and we felt protective of him.

We did??? I don't remember feeling protective at all. But I guess you were elected America's spokesmodel, so you must be right.

What's the matter R318, did the aliens forget to remove the anal probe again?

He wouldn't fuck you in a Central Park men's room, R318?

John John was also a closet bisexual.

FACT

r321 Guys at Downtown Athletic Club in NYC where he worked out said he loved to walk around in the nude in the locker room and show off.

It would appear that the dimwit OP has never read anything in his life if he has to come to Datalounge and ask what JFK Jr. "was like" and "was he smart?"

It would appear that true dimwit R323 is unfamiliar with the thread-as-conversation-starter concept.

I bet Caroline must have harbored a bit of jealousy toward him. It really hurts for a woman when her sister gets the freakishly good looking gene, so I can only imagine how deeper it cuts when it is the brother who gets it.

John was probably attracted to Carolyn because she was not overly friendly to him. People who get treated so wonderfully by everyone their whole lives usually seek out someone that makes them feel like shit for a change.

Oh, JJ could have been Quasimodo and Caroline, a Miss America, and he still would have gotten all the attention -- especially from that family.

That's why most of the boys are so fucked up and the girls are relatively normal -- the girls were ignored by the freaky K patriarchy, and not as damaged.

I'm interested in the gay/bi claims about JFK, Jr.

Which men did he have sex with?

Are those men still around, and are they willing to talk about it?

R325

In the KENNEDY family, the boys were generally better looking than their sisters. ROSEMARY the one possible exception but she had her own tragic life thanks to (her) dad.

From the Vanity Fair piece - "“Carolyn was like a wild horse,' this person continued. 'She had a trash mouth and loved being irreverent. She used to call John a fag all the time. '"

I knew an ugly chick who got the worst of the gene pool and her brother was gorg. That was one bitter bitch of a genetic Chernobyl. Bitter!

He'd had been better off with her sister Lauren. So sad to find out she was on board. They never found her body. She probably catapulted from the back seat. She was a winner, that one.

Why was Lauren better than her sister?

[quote]She had a trash mouth and loved being irreverent. She used to call John a fag all the time.

I'd read this before. I think in a biography of him. The author said they had terrible fights in front of friends, usually precipitated and fueled by her coke use, and ending with her calling him a fag.

"It would appear that true dimwit R323 is unfamiliar with the thread as conversation starter concept."

You consider asking what JFK Jr.(one of the most documented and talked about humans on the planet) "was like" and "was he smart?" and "didn't he date Sarah Jessica Parker?" a precursor to scintillating conversation? That's not a "conversation starter", that's stupidity. The OP is a dimwit. So are you.

RIP JFK Jr. Wife and sister. There are so many conflicting reports in the media at the time and since then what really happened on approach to land.

He was recorded by the tower to be cleared for landing and there was no viability issue as I remember from early news report.

Claims followed that Coast Guard did not search for missing plane until early the next morning vs. Standard operating procedure.

Does anyone remember this?

Visibility

He had a verrrrry pretty cock. And balls.

If only someone on this thread would testify as to whether he was handsome or not!

Devastatingly handsome.

JFK Jr. WAS a True 10.

He did not even seem to work hard at being beautiful and charming.

No one has ever posted a mean or hostile act by him and he went out of his way to not intimidate or offend those around him.

It would have nice to have gotten to see him grow old gracefully and see choices he made moving forward.

Bump

It's been said on DL before that JFK Jr didn't fully come into his looks until he was mature.

Indeed, he is much more handsome in his thirties than in his teens or twenties.

I think he may have had a nose job.

If so, I am so disappointed. Is no one born naturally gorgeous?

He was hyped as THE most hottest eligible bachelor of all time and the definitive Prince Charming. We had much higher standards then.

R345, and yet he always had an elusive quality.

He was the best celebrity of all time!

R342, so true.

R344 here.

Can someone else give an opinion on a possible JFK Jr rhinoplasty?

He was nice looking...face and hair but he had way way too much body hair for my taste. Looked great in a suit, Wasnt a real brain, that prize went to his sister. He was a classic trust fund kid who had no idea how the real world worked and took money for granted. One time checking into a hotel he did not know the difference between a suite and a regular room...........he led an insulated life thanks to his mother.

Jackie pulled the strings and made his decisions for him. After her death he didnt have a guiding angel behind him anymore..............tidbits......he was addicted to porn. He had attn def. disorder............he was easily distracted...........probably not good attributes for a pilot. The night he was killed was the first time he flew soIo at night without the help of a hired pilot next to him. While his plane was a single engine it was a powerful plane and not a good fit for a new pilot. Madonna described him as.............. naive in bed............. meaning I guess he hadnt been around the block that much.

R349, that is completely obnoxious of Madonna to publicly critique his, er, performance.

No class.

As gorgeous as he was, I did notice that he was starting to lose his looks, getting more jowly, shortly before he died.

He was known for being pretty, and dumb.

I thought the dog was on the plane with them?

I find it really sad that he and his best friend—his cousin—died Within weeks of each other.

He’s still alive and a huge Trump supporter!

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[quote] I find it really sad that he and his best friend—his cousin—died Within weeks of each other.

I find it even sadder that he, his wife, and his sister-in-law all died within milliseconds of each other.

Thanks to his incompetence.

[quote] Madonna described him as.............. naive in bed............. meaning I guess he hadnt been around the block that much.

Well, [italic]anyone[/italic] would be, compared to her. Even by that relatively early point she had been ridden more than a roller-coaster ride at Coney island.

There have been a lot of other threads about JFK Jr. and CBK, but this one has a lot of good personal stories in it.

Deaths in my life I remember vividly: Marilyn Monroe, JFK, RFK, MLK, The Challenger crew, Kurt Cobain, JFK Jr and Diana. Moments seared on my memory, far clearer than family. I can remember where I was, what I was doing, how I felt. It's been a while, and I hope the next one is Trump.

As I’m sure it has been said repeatedly in this thread, he was so hot it was unfair.

He was so gorgeous you’d want to smack him in his perfect face.

I still can’t beleive he went for those shemales, Darryl Hannah, Carolyn Horseface and Sarah Jessica Horseface. I guess he had a type. Maybe he just played a lot of polo.

Judith Somebody who wrote the Isak Dinesen biography wrote about an evening she spent with Jackie Onassis. She thought that sons, if the mothers are lucky, will take them to the opera when their old.

He was much nicer than his bitch sister.

He was an idiot. He had to take the New York bar 3 times. Like it's hard (I passed first time).

He's was America's Prince!!!

R364, yeah, yeah, I remember "The Hunk Flunks."

I remember watching the news in New York when he finally passed the Bar, and the reporter was saying to JFK Jr. "Mr. Kennedy, Congratulations, I am very happy," and John K. replied with a smile, "Yeah, so am I!"

Dude was totally down to earth and had a sense of humor.

R357, I know.....it is so sad that he died young, but to take his wife and s.i.l. with him is so tragic I want to cry.

Didn't Lauren B. know that he didn't have much experience as a pilot? She seemed like a smart young woman.

R361, I can see what he saw in Darryl Hannah.

She was very attractive back then, and was super-athletic.

And he didn't go out with SJP for long....

As for his wife, I heard that she was super nice.

[quote]I can see what he saw in Darryl Hannah.

I can't.

Jackson, I never beat her up like you did.

(I know! I know! Jackson strongly denies this!)

I have to laugh when people say that he would have gone into politics.

He gave no indication of being into politics! Apart from his quasi-political magazine, George.

I mean, sure he had the charisma to be a politician, but apart from that, no!

R351, I disagree!

Pretty boys normally don't age as well as fugsters, but he was gorgeous up to the end!

I read in one of his biographies that he did indeed have ADD.

I wonder if the medications to treat this were as sophisticated then as they are now........

R371 He would have gone into politics after the failure of George because what else could he have done? He was a failure at everything else he tried.

R374, but wouldn't he have been miserable at governing once he was elected?

Someone upthread complained that JFK Jr. had too much body hair....

I must disagree! From the shirtless photos I have seen, he had just the right amount!!

I remember seeing a photo of him roller blading in NYC shortly after he had flunked the bar......

I remember thinking to myself, "Wow, if I had just failed the bar exam, I cannot imagine being able to be so energetic, carefree and insouciant..."

Caroline is alive, has children, has been an Obama ambassador. JFK Jr and Jackie are dead. I say more power to the one who can figure life out and live. She loved her brother.

I think poor JFK Jr. was hooked on adrenaline.

He seemed to enjoy a lot of high risk activities.

I fear it may have been the same for Chris Reeve.

R378, all true, but this is Datalounge, so it is more fun to talk about her brother.

R380 Absolutely-- but to read the ugly comments about Caroline, I felt I had to speak up.

Caroline and John were fighting when he died about Jackie's Martha's Vineyard estate and what to do with it.

He was average looking at best, and had zero sex appeal.

I never understood the fascination with this dumb-as-a-rock manchild.

R383, you'll have to post some pics of men you think are hot if you expect anyone to do anything but roll their eyes at such an outrageous statement.

How tall was he really? I remember Geraldo Rivera, who's not terribly tall, boasting he was taller than him. And he's clearly a god deal shorter than Trump as evidenced in R356's link.

Love this Youtube vid of JFK Jr. walking around NYC.

Love how he and his friend patiently wait for the tourist to finish taking her photo.

Love even more the lady with the stroller who just stops and stares.

He is gorgeous with that actress cherry on the sundae of likeability.

R386 here again.

I meant "extra" not actress.

My bad.

He was just stupid or he wouldn't be dead. Who takes off at dusk and flies over water without being instrument rated? A dope, that's who.

God bless him. Some people can pack an entire lifetime of experience into 37 years. He was one of those people.

Well, here's an interesting photo...

R388, I mean, the first thing I thought was, "He never would have gotten a pilot's license if his mom had still been alive."

:(((((

R389, nah. He should have lived long enough to sire a John F. Kennedy III.

Don't you think?

R390, you wish!

Attractive couple.

:Love it that Daryl has real boobs and is wearing a one-piece bathing suit!

Coulter, sjp. Not sounding good.

Some said he was not that bright. But his wife? I heard she was just awful.

What the heck?

What is "seeded"?

He had a beautiful body and face, which both were splattered all over Long Island Sound.

JFK Jr was.sexy. And masculine. He also REFUSED to run for Senator of NY to allow Hillary her chance. He likely would have gone for the Governors office instead.

Hot!

1985 - Mel Gibson 1986 - Mark Harmon 1987 - Harry Hamlin 1988 - JFK Jr.

The first four People's "Sexiest Man Alive" winners (not to be confused with "Sexiest Man Dead" of course) were really handsome.

Now, it seems like every every guy in Hollywood with an A-List career gets to win this award.....

Here is the complete list:

Nick Nolte?