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University of Chicago genderqueer is WOUNDED by Dan Savage's words!

A genderqueer named Hex who goes by "it" was made to feel uncomfortable when Dan Savage used the word "trannie" in a speech last month. U of C students are now circulating a petition to make the organizers of the event apologize.

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by Anonymousreply 162May 11, 2021 10:13 PM

Ooops!

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by Anonymousreply 1June 5, 2014 9:39 PM

It will only reach 600 because of the 4 DLers obsessed with documenting this issue. OP to post 150 more times in 3, 2, 1 ...

by Anonymousreply 2June 5, 2014 9:43 PM

The OP is a bit self-regarding here, isn't she?

by Anonymousreply 3June 5, 2014 9:44 PM

[quote]“That was one of the most hurtful parts,” Hex said, explaining the perceived insult was that Cox used the slur to refer to the group of people she joked about. “In that context, it was like being applied to all transgender people,” it said. (“It” is Hex’s chosen pronoun.)

It can go fuck Itself.

by Anonymousreply 4June 5, 2014 9:44 PM

I was just about to quote that part, R4.

This shit is surreal. How the FUCK did any of this get associated with gay rights?

by Anonymousreply 5June 5, 2014 9:53 PM

Sounds like someone was having its period.

by Anonymousreply 6June 5, 2014 10:00 PM

[quote]The OP is a bit self-regarding here, isn't she?

Don't use the word 'she'. It wounds.

by Anonymousreply 7June 5, 2014 10:02 PM

Love you R4!! Honest to God, these poor, wounded delicate flowers need to please calm down. These babies need a good ol' all encompassing personal tragedy to toughen them up. War, pestilence, genuine economic meltdown, a bad hair day. Cut off parental credit cards. Something. Coddled is quickly turning into curdled.

by Anonymousreply 8June 5, 2014 10:10 PM

From the comments:

[quote]I object to the dehumanizing use of the term "f*rry" to describe my orientation. I prefer the use of the term "fur-covered-sex-god." I find the term f*rry (only "fur-slur" should ever be used) to be problematic because it makes it seem like we're something cute and loveable - very patronizing to one who sees itself as a savage regal beast. I now order everyone in the world to never refer to our community as "fur-slur" because it takes away my agency and infantilizes and marginalizes my diverse community.

by Anonymousreply 9June 5, 2014 10:16 PM

Also from the comments:

[quote]The petition to end the use of offensive words at the IOP bothers me, because it is focusing too narrowly and inappropriately at the larger problem. People who speak at the IOP should be allowed to say whatever they want; they are expressing their own views and exercising their right to free speech. HOWEVER, the IOP should not bring in people who are hostile to a specific demographic. [bold]Bringing in Dan Savage was as negative as bringing in a member of a Hate Group.[/bold] He is Transphobic, Biphobic, and says very questionable things about Sexual Assault. Bringing him to our school is harmful to trans* people's, bisexuals's, and survivors's feelings of acceptance at this campus.

by Anonymousreply 10June 5, 2014 10:27 PM

Dan's biceps are unreal. He and his husband must be going to the gym all the time. He looks almost like a cartoon character.

by Anonymousreply 11June 5, 2014 10:28 PM

[quote]Dan's biceps are unreal. He and his husband must be going to the gym all the time. He looks almost like a cartoon character.

Oh, Dan "goes to the gym" ALL the time.

by Anonymousreply 12June 5, 2014 10:31 PM

He just knows biceps are like boobs to gay men, the bigger the better.

by Anonymousreply 13June 5, 2014 10:34 PM

That's a healthy attitude for someone dispensing sex advice to strangers to take.

by Anonymousreply 14June 5, 2014 10:40 PM

Right, R10. No-platform gay men like the hatemongers they are!

LGBTQIWTFGAHHH 2014

by Anonymousreply 15June 5, 2014 10:41 PM

"Hex" wants to be called "It"? I will happily oblige!

by Anonymousreply 16June 5, 2014 11:26 PM

R10 So don't invite the trans next time. They don't like anything or anyone and no one likes them.

by Anonymousreply 17June 5, 2014 11:35 PM

Honestly, not being a smart ass, but where did this notion come from that we are entitled to feel all wonderful things in every space on earth?

If I go on Free Republic or to a tent revival I don't expect to feel safe. I don't feel I've been wronged that I don't. I honestly don't get this entitlement to 'safe spaces' in all places. Who the fuck invented that?

by Anonymousreply 18June 5, 2014 11:41 PM

[quote]Following Hex’s exit, members of the staff and the dean on call, who had been asked to attend as a precaution due to Savage’s controversial history, quickly left to comfort it, according to Hex and a staff member.

After reading that sentence, I cannot even attempt to take any of this seriously.

by Anonymousreply 19June 5, 2014 11:43 PM

I am stating right now that I find the word 'and', that's right, a-n-d, to be hostile and wounding. I expect each of you to stop using that word going forward, whether I am present or not. Your oppression must stop.

by Anonymousreply 20June 5, 2014 11:50 PM

[quote]Who the fuck invented that?

Ultimately it comes from therapy culture. But it's been promulgated through blog culture, and also through campus outreach centers (like multicultural centers and GLBT centers) which are often run by people too heavily inculcated in therpay culture.

by Anonymousreply 21June 6, 2014 12:00 AM

[quote] People who speak at the IOP should be allowed to say whatever they want; they are expressing their own views and exercising their right to free speech. HOWEVER, the IOP should not bring in people who are hostile to a specific demographic.

I am beyond sick of this double talk from the crybabies who are busy ruining the left. Who defines hostile? This sounds like the genderqueer librarian who was recently offended by the presence of a radical feminist book in her library and tweeted:

[quote]I've discovered a TERF book in work. Would it be unprofessional / unethical / etc. for me to disappear & burn it?

She ran to her supervisor and discussed purging the book. After getting called out for her attempt at censorship she posted:

[quote]I would never literally burn a book. But if a book harms my sisters, I will challenge it being on a shelf as scholarship.

I would never set a book on fire, I'd just toss it in the trash!

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by Anonymousreply 22June 6, 2014 12:00 AM

I noticed a lot of people agreed with RuPaul's comments about these people being a fringe element.

Even the hate they get here, by LGB people who ought to know better, is directed at the extremists.

The problem is where does it leave the majority of transgenders?

I feel like we as a community should be more supportive of moderate trangenders. A lot of the same arguments against them were made against us, especially gay men.

by Anonymousreply 23June 6, 2014 12:01 AM

Is Hex aware that referring to trans persons as 'it' used to be a derogatory word? Seriously, trans and retarded are not mutually exclusive, although Dan Savage is a dick, so Hex has something going.

by Anonymousreply 24June 6, 2014 12:02 AM

Penised person here who is now TOTALLY on the Michfest side of the trans argument.

Camping out with bugs and humidity and listening to the world's worst music over the sound of gently lapping pussies is my idea of hell on earth -- but I will defend my systers' right to do so ... unencumbered by hysterical transfolk who want to be identified as "it."

by Anonymousreply 25June 6, 2014 12:04 AM

[quote]Even the hate they get here, by LGB people who ought to know better, is directed at the extremists. The problem is where does it leave the majority of transgenders?

I suppose they face the same problem as moderate Muslims: they are being defined by the extreme and it's for them to speak up and articulate who they are and what they stand for. Imagine the shit storm if the gay community stood up and declared the noisy trans fringe. We need to know who we're supporting.

by Anonymousreply 26June 6, 2014 12:08 AM

Pretty sure this is Hex. Friends with a "Sara Rubinstein" who is a lebian activist in Chicago and uses the pronoun "their" on Facebook:

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by Anonymousreply 27June 6, 2014 12:08 AM

DL, I've discovered a TRANS idiocy at R22. Should I burn my computer?

by Anonymousreply 28June 6, 2014 12:09 AM

Gooble, gobble, we reject it, we reject it!

by Anonymousreply 29June 6, 2014 12:11 AM

I know, R30. And I'm NEVER on Dan Savage's side. But these freaks...

by Anonymousreply 30June 6, 2014 12:12 AM

There are no moderate trans people. Asserting that you are actually of the opposite gender and demanding that the rest of the world participate in your delusion is in and of itself an extreme position.

by Anonymousreply 31June 6, 2014 12:14 AM

I look at these stories and I think of someone like Big Freedia, who paid her dues and did her thing for years despite some pretty big odds (homophobic black rap world; gay music scene that hates rap).

Whatever you think of Freedia's music, it took guts to stick out and make a path to success. And her attitude is that she doesn't give a fuck about the pronouns as long as you're not disrespecting her. That's REAL "genderqueer."

Contrast putting up with all that shit versus this "it" that runs crying out of a discussion.

by Anonymousreply 32June 6, 2014 12:17 AM

[quote]Considering trannies are hateful freaks who can't deal with being gay

How does that explain all the lesbian MTFs and gay FTMs?

by Anonymousreply 33June 6, 2014 12:18 AM

[quote]How does that explain all the lesbian MTFs and gay FTMs?

NOTHING can explain them, R35. They make no sense.

by Anonymousreply 34June 6, 2014 12:20 AM

Shocked to see A.M. Cox, any relation to Dewey?, hosting and telling a tranny joke herself. Wow! Wonkettte has fallen so low, WTF happened? She left DC and now lives in St. Paul where she rarely writes (or rarely writes anything interesting, which is even worse, for Guardian UK. Sad crushed by divorce to Chis, and ran away from DC to obscurity. What a hetero!

by Anonymousreply 35June 6, 2014 12:24 AM

[quote]Contrast putting up with all that shit versus this "it" that runs crying out of a discussion.

It probably went to the discussion so it could run out crying, or so it seems.

by Anonymousreply 36June 6, 2014 12:25 AM

R35, het MTFs are autogynephiles. MTFs vastly outnumber FTMs. I couldn't tell you about the small number of FTMs who feel compelled to impersonate gay men. Are gay men a fetish to them? Do they feel that's the only way they can be as sexual as they wish? I don't know.

by Anonymousreply 37June 6, 2014 12:25 AM

The tranny theme song.

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by Anonymousreply 38June 6, 2014 12:26 AM

r27, that sounds fine in theory, but the news media is not interested in moderate anything these days because it's not dramatic enough to pull rating/clicks. That means anyone on any side of the political spectrum closer to the middle will be drowned out.

I'm bi, and I know how fucking frustrating it is to have every one and their god-damn mother tell you you're not what you are. (You're really straight, you just had bad experiences with women. If you want dick, you're gay and you're just a coward who won't come out.)

It's not that easy, though, for trans people to just get by everyday, let alone have to be 24/7 advocates. They need help, just like the blacks in the civil rights era needed white allies.

If more LGB people supported the moderates, the extremists would be unable to be the main voice.

This is how we moved forward as a community, and it's sad we're not doing the same for the Ts.

by Anonymousreply 39June 6, 2014 12:27 AM

Let's drop the T from GLBT.

by Anonymousreply 40June 6, 2014 12:29 AM

[quote]How does that explain all the lesbian MTFs?

They are just uber-straight guys who are so into women that they want to be it and live it. You know how much straight guys love the chick-on-chick porn.

by Anonymousreply 41June 6, 2014 12:30 AM

R34, I think of Justin Bond, who identifies as trans rather than female, or the [italic]travestis[/italic] of Brazil, who identify as a third sex or as extremely feminine gay men -- they dress and alter their bodies to their comfort level, but they don't want genital surgery or even think of themselves as women. That seems healthier to me than the mental gymnastics of willing yourself to be the other sex or getting surgery that might leave you disfigured or without any sexual function.

by Anonymousreply 42June 6, 2014 12:33 AM

[quote]They are just uber-straight guys who are so into women that they want to be it and live it. You know how much straight guys love the chick-on-chick porn.

-Katie Price

by Anonymousreply 43June 6, 2014 12:33 AM

I'm surprised that nobody was "triggered" by the name of the moderator (Cox).

by Anonymousreply 44June 6, 2014 12:45 AM

I feel sorry for the professor in its classes--and even more so for the other students. You know it's policing everyone's language all the time and controlling the conversation in its seminars.

by Anonymousreply 45June 6, 2014 12:48 AM

[quote]Hex asked Savage and Cox to use the term “T-slur” instead of the actual word. According to second-year Sara Rubinstein, an executive director of QUIP (Queers United in Power), and Hex, Savage then named other slurs, asking if they were suitable to use instead. “Obviously [he attempted] to threaten me and make me feel uncomfortable in that space, which was pretty successful,” Hex said.

"Threaten" it?! Oh my GOD! How do we get rid of these delicate little freaks? I am dead serious in asking that question. These people are ruining everything they touch.

by Anonymousreply 46June 6, 2014 12:50 AM

That's on the institution, r47, for not having the fortitude to have clear rules and police them the same way for everyone. This includes expulsion.

A college near me had a class shut down over two of these people (radical lesbians in this case) who literally would not let the teacher teach the class because they didn't like the content. They would shout slogans and yell at other students whenever the poor prof (a gay man) tried to lecture.

Eventually, after a lot of hassle, they got removed. By that time, they had recruited other people and started a protest outside the door of the lecture hall.

By the time the dust settled, there was no way the prof could finish the course, because the remaining students couldn't be tested on stuff they didn't cover.

People need to start getting some balls. Draft a fair, inclusive behavioural contract and **stick to it**.

by Anonymousreply 47June 6, 2014 12:59 AM

Which college was this at, r49?

by Anonymousreply 48June 6, 2014 1:04 AM

Let's drop R42 right off of the planet.

by Anonymousreply 49June 6, 2014 1:06 AM

More proof, if needed, that transexuals are mentally ill.

by Anonymousreply 50June 6, 2014 1:20 AM

I don't think the problem is transgendered people. It's butch lesbians who flirt with being FTM to enhance their victim status.

by Anonymousreply 51June 6, 2014 1:23 AM

Here is a video of Hex talking about itself

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by Anonymousreply 52June 6, 2014 1:25 AM

r50, it was an Ontario university several years ago. I can't remember which one. Probably Trent.

by Anonymousreply 53June 6, 2014 1:25 AM

R42: Those you described, are men dressed as women. Better known as drag queens. There is no 3rd sex.

by Anonymousreply 54June 6, 2014 1:26 AM

10 years of marriage equality and rights gains have made the gay community quite arrogant. So proud of yourself for now being "normal", so why not do what all normal people do and shit all over a group you deem below you. It's fun. It's the American way.

by Anonymousreply 55June 6, 2014 1:28 AM

Well, we always referred to the U of C as"where fun goes to die." Now it would appear to be the place where sex (and sanity) goes to die, as well.

by Anonymousreply 56June 6, 2014 1:42 AM

If these special little snowflakes can't handle a few words of negative connotation, how the hell are they going to handle the real problems life is going to throw at them. Get a grip honeys.

by Anonymousreply 57June 6, 2014 1:45 AM

Why can't the trannys just get along?

by Anonymousreply 58June 6, 2014 1:48 AM

R57, you seem to be operating under the assumption the public face of that group is behaving in a way we can relate to. We understand being hated for who you are. You apparently don't understand being disdained for behaving like fools. Big difference.

by Anonymousreply 59June 6, 2014 1:54 AM

[quote]Here is a video of Hex talking about itself

The ravings of a lunatic. Yeesh.

by Anonymousreply 60June 6, 2014 2:02 AM

Watched that video.

Hate to break the news but, like the doctor said, it's a girl.

by Anonymousreply 61June 6, 2014 2:15 AM

I hope Savage weighs in. This could get ugly and therefor wildly entertaining.

by Anonymousreply 62June 6, 2014 2:17 AM

Hex is someone who is not capable of surviving as an adult. If she's lucky, she'll get a job as a waitress at some Lesbian bar and give up the professional victimhood.

by Anonymousreply 63June 6, 2014 3:22 AM

How did I just know somehow that "it" would turn out to be a slam poet?

by Anonymousreply 64June 6, 2014 3:29 AM

R55 It was at Western in Prof. James Miller's Gay and Lesbian Challenge class in the early '90s.

by Anonymousreply 65June 6, 2014 4:14 AM

I think the lesbian feminist students at UWO were protesting around the time of Audre Lorde's death. They were angry the Prof didn't acknowledge it adequately and also that there wasn't enough lesbian content.

by Anonymousreply 66June 6, 2014 4:32 AM

To be fair to Dan, maybe it hadn't been clear enough in stating its boundaries.

by Anonymousreply 67June 6, 2014 4:39 AM

I think this may be a picture of it.

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by Anonymousreply 68June 6, 2014 4:47 AM

Dear Hex--

You're a real twat.

Sincerely,

The World

by Anonymousreply 69June 6, 2014 4:59 AM

It speaks angry truth to power!!! It will be heard over the haterapespeech of the cis-penised scum!!!

by Anonymousreply 70June 6, 2014 8:05 AM

'It' as a pronoun is ridiculous. It would be like a gay man wanting everyone to call him 'faggot'. How they can bitch about being dehumanised by the word tran*y and then choose IT as a pronoun is beyond me.

by Anonymousreply 71June 6, 2014 8:41 AM

I think it's pretty obvious that the Its's have a genetic predisposition to hurt feelings, perhaps on the same gene as it.

by Anonymousreply 72June 6, 2014 8:52 AM

I think the obvious answer is to invite a transgender activist to the university political forum. The forum's stated purpose seems to be the free exchange of ideas and, on a practical political level, you can't hammer out a compromise unless you can engage in dialogue with people who do not share your views. There ought to be a disclaimer and/or trigger warning before the program begins so that these people have the opportunity to leave or watch the presentation on video.

I roll my eyes at someone who talks about not feeling safe in the presence of Dan Savage or who wants to muzzle him. At the same time, I don't want to belittle its concerns because I've never walked in its shoes.

by Anonymousreply 73June 6, 2014 5:16 PM

Cox. WTFEHTTB?

by Anonymousreply 74June 6, 2014 5:30 PM

WHEN DOES ITS CRYING STOP???

by Anonymousreply 75June 6, 2014 7:27 PM

Maybe it is really Andy Kaufmann coming out of hiding.

by Anonymousreply 76June 6, 2014 7:42 PM

I have a friend whose college age child is in the process of transitioning female to male. I wouldn't dream of calling him tranny. Besides, I assumed tranny referred to transvestites.

I am learning a lot through talking with him. I acknowledge his right to refer to himself as he chooses, and I think that transgenders (see I don't even know if that is acceptable anymore) have a difficult path due to bias against them. It will be interesting to see where it all will be in another ten years.

I refuse to refer to myself as cisgender. If an individual needs to transition from one gender to another, they should ultimately refer to themselves as man or woman. Isn't that the end result they seek? If that is the end place, the only ones who need further discussion are the people who become intimately involved with them.

by Anonymousreply 77June 6, 2014 7:50 PM

R80 It seems like the plot changed when they realized how heteronormative transitioning was so to keep their 'otherness' they identify as trans and stay in the lgbt community.

by Anonymousreply 78June 6, 2014 9:45 PM

There is no "T" in LGB

by Anonymousreply 79June 6, 2014 9:47 PM

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by Anonymousreply 80June 6, 2014 11:01 PM

The trans movement is ALL about targeting women (especially lesbians) and gay men.

They'll lash at at anyone for any imagined offence or slight, granted, but look at who they consistently go after, and who gets the majority of their vitriol: Michfest, RuPaul, Dan Savage.

They never go after the straight men who are the ones who actually murder and bash trannies. They are bullies and cowards who are afraid to take on their real enemies.

by Anonymousreply 81June 7, 2014 4:19 PM

R84 also Ellen Degeneres.

by Anonymousreply 82June 7, 2014 4:31 PM

I thought though that Hex was all about me, or it, or whatever.

The silly ones of late seem not to give much thought to the cause but all sort of thought to themselves.

by Anonymousreply 83June 7, 2014 5:10 PM

[quote]They never go after the straight men

Thank god!

by Anonymousreply 84June 7, 2014 6:13 PM

HELL HAS FROZEN OVER!

Dan Savage writes column, majority of DL agrees:

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by Anonymousreply 85June 10, 2014 2:00 PM

Good column.

It needs to die in a grease fire and take QUIP along for the ride.

by Anonymousreply 86June 10, 2014 2:49 PM

Sounds like Dan might be hitting peak trans.

'Peak Trans is the moment when someone realizes that all is not right in the trans* community and begins to question their support for trans* politics.'

by Anonymousreply 87June 10, 2014 2:54 PM

This is going to be like The Crucible. It's going to reach peak and the movement will collapse because it's been run like a mad hatter's tea party. People need to start ignoring it until the conversation ceases to be so juvenile and dramatic. That shit plays in college classrooms (not mine), but walking out crying... christ in a sidecar.

And I agree, it seems like the only "enemy" some trans (not all) go after: lesbians and gay men. They want a piece of the pie and part of that pie involves attempting to dominate queers. To that I say they can go fuck themselves.

The nastiest homophobia I've encountered at work came from a FTM. I've never had even the douchiest straight guy get in my face like that.

There's a mental illness component to much of this that is being sorely neglected.

by Anonymousreply 88June 10, 2014 4:05 PM

It needs to get over Itself and get Itself a job and a life.

by Anonymousreply 89June 11, 2014 3:44 PM

My take-away from all of this is amazement that the person so sensitive to and offended by language and words actually prefers to be referred to as an "it".

Not in a "cant wrap my mind around being genderless" way (although I do struggle with that), but because "it", applied to a person, is historically (and literally) a dehumanizing usage with all manner of negative connotations.

I'm sure Hex would claim that it was "reclaiming" the word, but you can't rewrite the language to suit your own views while prohibiting others from using words you don't like. This is Special Snowflake Syndrome taken to absurd degrees.

And to my transgender allies and friends: you will never make "tranny" out to be remotely as bad as the n-word. If your gay forebears could have "faggot" and "dyke" spat at them regularly in public and still not only brave the world, but change it (FOR YOU and YOUR kids), then I think you can survive hearing it cited in reference to past use during an academic discussion on a college campus.

by Anonymousreply 90June 11, 2014 4:25 PM

[quote]And I agree, it seems like the only "enemy" some trans (not all) go after: lesbians and gay men. They want a piece of the pie and part of that pie involves attempting to dominate queers. To that I say they can go fuck themselves.

AMEN. It's like they believe acceptance of queerness and gender non-conformity are zero-sum games. They don't just want a piece of the pie, they want our entire portion of it all to themselves so they can dictate the agenda. They have no clue who their real enemies are.

See RuPaul. That was the watershed moment for me and my feelings about this new crop of transgender "SJW"s. They are a bunch of stupid kids with no reference for the sacrifices and pathways that their queer (and still mostly "cis" gay men or lesbians) forebears made for them.

by Anonymousreply 91June 11, 2014 4:31 PM

It puts the lotion in the basket.

by Anonymousreply 92June 11, 2014 4:45 PM

Whoever this "it" person is, it is clearly too sensitive to leave the house. So my advice? Stay home. And shut the fuck up.

by Anonymousreply 93June 12, 2014 6:56 AM

The group he was speaking to were mostly first year undergraduates. The WORST

by Anonymousreply 94June 12, 2014 8:57 AM

Hmmm. Seems like the University of Chicago is not as intellectually rigorous, or ROBUST, as its legions of snooty aging fanbois and fangurls would have had us believe for the loooongest time.

Crying and running out of a classroom indeed.

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by Anonymousreply 95June 12, 2014 9:21 AM

Below is a link to Hex's tumblr, highlighting a recent post where he/she discusses engaging in self harm (cutting on thighs with knife/razor) and contemplating suicide. Hex goes on to state that he/she does not feel "safe" around any straight "cis" males.

Hex is clearly suffering from psychiatric issues (cutting usually indicates anger at ones self/self hate). I hope this person is receiving appropriate treatment.

Hex's lashing out at Savage may indicate projection of self-hatred onto external objects. The T community may want to rethink using this mentally unstable, suicidal person as a "hero" for confronting perceived attacks on T people.

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by Anonymousreply 96June 12, 2014 12:10 PM

[quote]The T community may want to rethink using this mentally unstable, suicidal person as a "hero"

The T community is full of mentally unstable people whom it elevates to hero status. That's kind of the whole problem.

by Anonymousreply 97June 12, 2014 12:22 PM

my pronouns are kit/kin/kits/kins/kitself. examples!!!

"man, hex really hasn’t done anything lately. kit [nominative/subject of sentence] should do some of kits [possessive adjective, used to describe a noun] homework.”

"have you talked to hex lately? ive been wondering about kin [direct object].”

"im so proud of hex, kit [nominative/subject of sentence] figured out public transportation all by kitself [reflexive pronoun]. that’s been a goal of kins [possessive pronoun] for a while.”

so, compared to “they” pronouns:

kit = they

kin = them

kits = their (possessive describing a noun)

kins = theirs (possessive without a noun)

kitself = themself

i do have an auxiliary set. this is only to be used if for whatever reason (nonneurotypicality, some trigger, or whichever reason you have) you absolutely cannot use my pronouns. “not believing in the legitimacy of themed pronouns” is NOT a reason, and if you do this you are TRASH. you can message me on this subject.

auxiliary set: it/its/itself.

also relevant, if you know me offline, you’ll know that offline i ask for “it” or “kit.” i give this option to people offline bc using pronouns automatically during speech is much harder than online, where you have the time to figure out what youre typing. as someone with processing problems, i understand this.

by Anonymousreply 98June 12, 2014 1:02 PM

If Ms. took off then this shit has half a chance...

by Anonymousreply 99June 12, 2014 1:25 PM

R102, the narcissism is staggering. None of this has ANYTHING to do with being gay - it's all about special snowflakes who need to have others' attention 24/7. And these are the people who are running the GLBT groups on campuses these days.

by Anonymousreply 100June 12, 2014 1:27 PM

OMG, r102's post is real - when I started reading it I was convinced it was a parody.

by Anonymousreply 101June 12, 2014 1:31 PM

Bitch, get stronger.

If you cannot hear certain words without swooning like a goddamned Victorian shut-in, perhaps the real world is not for you and you'd be better off killing yourself.

by Anonymousreply 102June 12, 2014 1:35 PM

Ugh, it's such a Michfester, asking for money in exchange for cute drawings.

It's also "otherkin" and has a second set of pronouns to choose from if the first set are triggering.

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by Anonymousreply 103June 12, 2014 1:37 PM

Oh, and it's a Muslim!

I know Iran allows people to transition - they're cool with trans, so long as you transition and have heterosexual relationships. I'm wondering if that's the case or if the penny hasn't dropped that being Muslim and 'Otherkin' and a hundred million other special categories is just fucked up.

by Anonymousreply 104June 12, 2014 1:40 PM

I have come to the conclusion that you do not have to have a cunt to become a hormonal cunt.

by Anonymousreply 105June 12, 2014 1:41 PM

[quote]I know Iran allows people to transition - they're cool with trans, so long as you transition and have heterosexual relationships.

They're not just 'cool with trans'. They FORCE gay people to transition, under pain of death.

by Anonymousreply 106June 12, 2014 1:52 PM

What does this mean?

[quote]i blacklist for #nightmare mention cw, #menstruation cw, #rape, #rape mention cw, #vagueblogging cw, #money cw, and #money mention cw. please tag those !!!

by Anonymousreply 107June 12, 2014 2:13 PM

Congratulations, idiots, for making sure that Tranny will now NEVER die - and way to go in basically reintroducing it into the national lexicon. My god trans people are stupid.

by Anonymousreply 108June 12, 2014 2:20 PM

[quote]And these are the people who are running the GLBT groups on campuses these days.

They've made inroads into the service members groups that were fighting to overturn DADT. Two of those groups are now aiming to open the military to trannies. I used to donate when they were fighting DADT, but no more.

by Anonymousreply 109June 12, 2014 2:48 PM

This isn't Hex, but it's my favorite video from these sorts

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by Anonymousreply 110June 12, 2014 3:04 PM

"We're traaaaanz gendered"

Dear Trani Boy with Boobs,

Please go fuck yourself and shove up your ass: 1] Your male companion's cock, 2] Your female companion's strap on cock, 3] Your own severed cock (orchi optional) , 4] Your pre-installed cock-like tissue implant.

Then kciss my aciss.

by Anonymousreply 111June 12, 2014 3:32 PM

Purr Hex. Purr, purr Hex.

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Posted 8:10 on June 10th, 2014

Tagged with #self harm cw #suicide cw

there’s nothing that can cut well in this goddamn apartment

i cant find the knife i used last time

i really just want a razor. i really just want to bleed.

but my thighs sting when i walk, so. that’s the most important part, besides bleeding.

i know i fucked up. i know. it got to the point where the entire night, i was thinking, well, when they go to sleep, that’s when i can. and i d argue with myself saying that i didnt have to but i did haave to because the only other thing that would work would be the pills but even those wouldnt wok r theyd only make me really sick i goo ogled. it.

what i really need r ight now is hands covering the stings and holding me togethre and mabe letting me know i dont need to bleed and that i dont dsrve the stinging but i dont have that

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Posted 23:08 on June 11th, 2014

Tagged with #money mention cw #food mention cw

*desperately wants chocolate, cake, or ice cream of any kind*

*has only ten dollars in my bank account*

*needs ten dollars to refill my med prescription soon*

*whale noises*

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by Anonymousreply 112June 12, 2014 5:38 PM

R110 has it right. Gay people in Iran are actively encouraged (in some circles) to transition to the opposite gender and enter heterosexual relationships.

Believe it or not, this is the more "enlightened" approach. The alternative is, of course, execution.

by Anonymousreply 113June 12, 2014 5:43 PM

R116, I cannot believe that batshit motherfuckers like this are now at the forefront of 'gay' activism.

We need to DROP THE MOTHERFUCKING T.

by Anonymousreply 114June 12, 2014 5:44 PM

Those writings at R116 are from a leader in the trans community. Think about that.

Suicide and thoughts of self harm are awful, and I sympathize. Many gay men and women have and continue to struggle with such demons.

However, our leaders did not, at least not publicly and not during the time they were held up as role models.

Harvey Milk never sent a suicude note to the San Francisco Chronicle. Martina Navratilova did not reveal an addiction to cutting herself in any interviews. If they had, no one would have taken their activism seriously. They would have been a detriment to the cause.

I'm not saying that having these problems is evidence of irretrievably broken character -- to the contrary, I recognize that many people overcome them and grow into stronger people.

Those are the role models: survivors, achievers, and activists who ACT rather than REACT, or passively engage in "online activism", which is as effective as doing nothing at all.

Not some over-sensitive naïf who desperately needs psychotherapy and mood stabilizers for fear of self harm.

by Anonymousreply 115June 12, 2014 5:53 PM

No, r118.

You need to support moderate trannys who are being killed, losing their jobs and being disowned by their families for trying to be who they are inside.

Ignore the crazies.

by Anonymousreply 116June 12, 2014 5:54 PM

The "crazies," R120, are the penised persons who think they are lesbians. I will continue to ignore them.

by Anonymousreply 117June 12, 2014 5:57 PM

R117, an Iranian filmmaker made a documentary called 'Transsexual in Iran' a few years ago, which was screened on the BBC.

Some of the more disturbing scenes include an interview with a sex-change surgeon who boasts about his work 'curing' homosexuals, and a young gay man weeping after he wakes up from surgery to find his penis gone.

Tellingly, the film's Iranian title translates to 'Be Like Others'.

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by Anonymousreply 118June 12, 2014 5:59 PM

R121 has it right.

by Anonymousreply 119June 13, 2014 8:46 PM

But the poor thing is an Arab queer who is Muslim. That combo will fuck up anyone right and proper. Plus it is only 17 (why does University of Chicago keep accepting kids so young?!), so I am inclined to cut it some slack. Oops 'cut' is perhaps a wrong choice of word here.

by Anonymousreply 120June 14, 2014 5:21 AM

From Hex's twitter site:

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questions about pronouns???

my pronouns are kit/kin/kits/kins/kitself. examples!!!

"man, hex really hasn’t done anything lately. kit [nominative/subject of sentence] should do some of kits [possessive adjective, used to describe a noun] homework.”

"have you talked to hex lately? ive been wondering about kin [direct object].”

"im so proud of hex, kit [nominative/subject of sentence] figured out public transportation all by kitself [reflexive pronoun]. that’s been a goal of kins [possessive pronoun] for a while.”

so, compared to “they” pronouns:

kit = they

kin = them

kits = their (possessive describing a noun)

kins = theirs (possessive without a noun)

kitself = themself

i do have an auxiliary set. this is only to be used if for whatever reason (nonneurotypicality, some trigger, or whichever reason you have) you absolutely cannot use my pronouns. “not believing in the legitimacy of themed pronouns” is NOT a reason, and if you do this you are TRASH. you can message me on this subject.

auxiliary set: it/its/itself.

also relevant, if you know me offline, you’ll know that offline i ask for “it” or “kit.” i give this option to people offline bc using pronouns automatically during speech is much harder than online, where you have the time to figure out what youre typing. as someone with processing problems, i understand this.

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by Anonymousreply 121July 25, 2014 6:20 AM

"“not believing in the legitimacy of themed pronouns” is NOT a reason, and if you do this you are TRASH. you can message me on this subject."

I love this sentence so much.

by Anonymousreply 122July 25, 2014 6:37 AM

I thought of this very thread yesterday when reading about yet another SF/F kerfuffle involving an SJW who has been lecturing the feminists who run Wiscon. Turns out, that SJW is a MtF transwoman trying to order entire groups of women around.

She also spends a lot of time scolding people for using the wrong pronouns. She had an absolute fit when someone used "kit" to describe her. I would assume she and Hex wouldn't get along.

by Anonymousreply 123July 25, 2014 6:53 AM

R123, 'she' is a he.

by Anonymousreply 124July 25, 2014 10:51 AM

So could someone please explain this post to me from Hex's blog?

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caterpillxr said: how is being dfab a privilege?

grumpypedant:

hexetal:

being dfab but trans means that the patriarchy views you as moving away from femininity and towards masculinity (regardless of how you identify) and rewards you thus. being dmab and trans means that the patriarchy views you as moving away from masculinity and towards femininity (regardless of how you identify) and punishes you thus.

so being dfab and trans gives you privilege over people who are dmab and trans.

But on the other hand, if you’re visibly or openly dfab, then people pull the whole “put woman in her place” thing. And Dmab trans people have to deal with being perceived as efeminate and betraying their [imagined] manhood, and people can be pretty horrible about that, too.

Dfab and dmab trans folks both have it rough, albeit in different ways, and I don’t think it’s fair to play the more-oppressed-than-you game when we should be supporting one another and trying together to overcome the issues that trans people of all genders and descriptions face, gendered stereotypes included.

#oppression olympics

siggghhhhh

listen bud, it’s not “who’s more oppressed than who” it’s literally that dfab trans people have institutional power over dmab trans people. yes, dfab trans people have it rough, but that doesnt stop them from benefiting from the oppression of dmab trans people.

"trans people of all genders and descriptions" do not experience trans-ness all the same way and we shouldn’t lump them all together. it’s rude, and erasive, and gross.

it all boils down to - dfab trans people are seen as better by the patriarchy and benefit from the patriarchy. even if we’re viewed as women by others (as i often am), when people are misogynistic, since we are very distinctly NOT women, we are not harmed by transmisogyny.

dmab trans people, on the other hand, are punished by the patriarchy. if they are seen as men, that is a violent misgendering, and they are harmed by it.

so like, calm down. it’s not the worst thing in the world to admit privilege.

by Anonymousreply 125July 31, 2014 11:56 PM

caterpillxr said: how is being dfab a privilege?

being dfab but trans means that the patriarchy views you as moving away from femininity and towards masculinity (regardless of how you identify) and rewards you thus. being dmab and trans means that the patriarchy views you as moving away from masculinity and towards femininity (regardless of how you identify) and punishes you thus.

so being dfab and trans gives you privilege over people who are dmab and trans.

by Anonymousreply 126July 31, 2014 11:57 PM

What the fuck is dfab and mfab?

by Anonymousreply 127July 31, 2014 11:58 PM

Also, why doesn't it believe in using capital letters?

by Anonymousreply 128July 31, 2014 11:59 PM

Remember when this happened? LOL! Today you would be vilified if you didn’t call the genderqueer by whatever pronoun it wanted.

by Anonymousreply 129July 7, 2020 1:30 PM

Hex looks like................

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by Anonymousreply 130July 7, 2020 1:42 PM

[quote]What the fuck is dfab and mfab?

dfab = BWV

dmab = BWP

by Anonymousreply 131July 7, 2020 2:06 PM

This thread was bumped up from six years ago.

by Anonymousreply 132July 7, 2020 2:49 PM

Hex has serious issues. Going to a large university at 17 with these psychological and emotional issues was perhaps unwise. Did her parents just dump her off because she exhausted them?

Cutters are famously very difficult to treat.

I didn't realize at first this was from 2014. Where is Hex now? Most of these links don't work now.

DL has always been quite prescient. I can remember warnings about what was to come and the mantra Drop the T from quite a while ago.

by Anonymousreply 133July 7, 2020 3:00 PM

The bump troll digs even deeper into the DL archive!

by Anonymousreply 134July 7, 2020 3:04 PM

I hate the letter "x" now.

by Anonymousreply 135July 7, 2020 4:33 PM

The cognoscenti remembered Hex from long ago, and opened the thread anyway. S/he/it became something of a trade character around DL. I almost forgot we didn't make h/im/it up after a while.

by Anonymousreply 136July 7, 2020 4:45 PM

Fuck it!

by Anonymousreply 137July 7, 2020 4:51 PM

This thread still hasn't reached even one-quarter of 600 replies [italic]in six years[/italic].

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by Anonymousreply 138July 7, 2020 4:53 PM

I hope someone inserts something into it's ass, or or whatever holes it currently acknowledges. Nothing to apologize for at all.

by Anonymousreply 139July 7, 2020 4:55 PM

Does anyone understand it enough to explain what genderqueer means?

I literally have no idea and it makes my brain hurt trying to envisage what that might look like.

Gay male here. TIA.

by Anonymousreply 140July 7, 2020 4:57 PM

Hex needs to shut the fuck up! How did all this trans shit take over all the rights I worked for my entire life. I've been called names, had the shit beat out of me (more than once). Lost an entire generation of friends to AIDS. Rioted ,protested and marched so "It" can be a whinny bitch. Go fight you own battles! I really don't care, chop off your cock and shove it up your ass. Just Shut The Fuck UP!

by Anonymousreply 141July 7, 2020 5:01 PM

Wow, this stuff was going on 6 years ago? It's only gotten worse since then. R140, genderqueer is just some term weird academic LGBT types use to say they are neither male or female in terms of appearance. Or something. It really is generally only academic weirdos who tend to decribe themselves in this way.

by Anonymousreply 142July 7, 2020 5:02 PM

Had a feeling it was an old thread that was bumped, just for the fact that this person identified as "genderqueer".

That is a very 2014 term which seems to have fallen out of fashion in recent years in favor of "non-binary".

by Anonymousreply 143July 7, 2020 5:07 PM

[quote]Had a feeling it was an old thread that was bumped, just for the fact that this person identified as "genderqueer".

Yes, true.

The fact that the OP is dated 6/5/14 was another clue.

by Anonymousreply 144July 7, 2020 5:10 PM

It bump.

by Anonymousreply 145March 23, 2021 5:28 PM

This thread is almost seven years old. I wonder how it is doing these days?

by Anonymousreply 146March 23, 2021 5:31 PM

Literal violence! 🤡

by Anonymousreply 147March 23, 2021 5:32 PM

This would make a great feature for our Where is It Now? column!

by Anonymousreply 148March 23, 2021 6:09 PM

All of this brought to you be hyper-liberal white, woke, young women. They are the cause of the entire ridiculous situation, backed up by their equally silly ultra-liberal college professors. Sorry, ultra- liberals. This is one movement that falls totally in your laps.

by Anonymousreply 149March 23, 2021 9:42 PM

I'd nearly forgotten about Hex Drade!

by Anonymousreply 150March 23, 2021 10:17 PM

R23 - bullshit. Name exactly the arguments against gay men and lesbians that are similar to Trans.

Stop trying to make it the same thing - no, it is not.

by Anonymousreply 151March 23, 2021 10:32 PM

[quote]I'd nearly forgotten about Hex Drade!

Well, get on that.

by Anonymousreply 152March 23, 2021 11:09 PM

IT WOUNDS

by Anonymousreply 153March 23, 2021 11:46 PM

Make sure to dilate that wound.

by Anonymousreply 154March 24, 2021 12:26 AM

Hex , you're just a snowflake, you freak.

by Anonymousreply 155March 24, 2021 1:13 AM

2014?

by Anonymousreply 156March 24, 2021 1:13 AM

Let me be Captain Obvious and repeat for the newcomers.

This thread is from 2014.

It was apparently rebooted by someone last night because of the more recent Dan Savage/Trans controversy.

by Anonymousreply 157March 24, 2021 1:21 AM

Mental illness is a helluva drug

by Anonymousreply 158May 11, 2021 10:13 PM
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