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West Side Story had the FIRST Transgender character on film

Why isn't this talked about more.

It was so ground-breaking to have the FIRST transgender character on film.

But lost in all of that was the music and dance sequences.

This film needs to go on the list as a film that changed the perception of trans individuals.

by Anonymousreply 58October 7, 2018 2:41 AM

She was just a bulldyke.

by Anonymousreply 1January 26, 2014 5:28 PM

It is a HE

He was trans

by Anonymousreply 2January 26, 2014 5:35 PM

What was the name of the character? I've seen WSS on stage, but not the film version.

by Anonymousreply 3January 26, 2014 5:42 PM

The character's name is Anybodys but she is usually just referred to as a tomboy.

by Anonymousreply 4January 26, 2014 5:46 PM

How could the JETS be so mean and threatened by the Sharks, yet be so welcoming of the trans kid.

It is wonderful that the Jets were so tolerant of the trans kid. You'd think that translate towards the Sharks, this tolerance.

by Anonymousreply 5January 26, 2014 5:47 PM

The character name is kiddo

by Anonymousreply 6January 26, 2014 5:53 PM

He is not a transgender character unless he quotes from the anti-cisgender manifesto.

Not Trans, dyke.

by Anonymousreply 7January 26, 2014 6:09 PM

[quote]How could the JETS be so mean and threatened by the Sharks, yet be so welcoming of the trans kid.

Because the concept of the "trans kid" had yet to be invented. She was a "tomboy." Boys were not be threatened by a girl envying their masculinity. It was when a boy spurned it that the shit hit the sissy.

by Anonymousreply 8January 26, 2014 6:10 PM

Not even dyke. Most tomboys were straight. This was before women's athletics were common.

by Anonymousreply 9January 26, 2014 6:11 PM

[quote] Most tomboys were straight.

But wasn't he spurned during the gym mambo?

by Anonymousreply 10January 26, 2014 6:15 PM

First???

Marlene Dietrich was putting on tuxedos and kissing girls in the 1930s.

Bugs Bunny was practically living as a woman in the 1940s and 1950s.

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by Anonymousreply 11January 26, 2014 9:13 PM

R12 is why I hate everything about the pomoqueer movement, which pushes a very shallow, regressive view of sex roles. A woman wearing a tux or any other stereotypically male clothing is not necessarily "trans". Even if she was flouting convention, she was just a woman in a fucking suit.

by Anonymousreply 12January 27, 2014 2:41 PM

Not only did the trans character get spurned at the dance, but he participated in the almost rape of Anita at Doc's

by Anonymousreply 13January 27, 2014 2:45 PM

I think it's great that there's a dykey-tomboy character. I support her!

by Anonymousreply 14January 27, 2014 3:13 PM

Not trans! Just athletically inclined and high spirited. A hint of lipstick would have done wonders for her.

A shame there wasn't a decent women's lacrosse team or crew team in the vicinity.

by Anonymousreply 15January 27, 2014 3:23 PM

She was transgender

by Anonymousreply 16January 27, 2014 3:24 PM

She was rubber!!!!

by Anonymousreply 17January 27, 2014 4:30 PM

Baby John was kind of a fag. Tony and Riff probably let him suck them off, and you know he craved the Sharks' Puerto Rican pinga.

by Anonymousreply 18January 27, 2014 6:09 PM

The Jets were always telling Anybodys to 'beat it.' They weren't exactly tolerant.

by Anonymousreply 19January 27, 2014 6:29 PM

No trans. It was a tomboy, possible dyke-to be.

And R13 is correct

It is so backward to only think in stereotypical male/female roles, which extreme Republicans and extreme trans people seem to want to do.

by Anonymousreply 20January 27, 2014 6:37 PM

You're an idiot, OP.

There are tons of trans characters in films. Alfred Hitchcock had several films with trans characters Here's one named Phil.

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by Anonymousreply 21January 27, 2014 10:08 PM

Alfred Hitchcock's 1930 film Murder! features a prominent character who could be described as a transvestite,, a transgender or a drag queen.

And of course the most notorious trans murderer in movie com, Norman Bates in Psycho.

Plus Hitchcock did a famous tv series where one of the most talked-about episodes featured a trans.

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by Anonymousreply 22January 27, 2014 10:20 PM

Is R22 joking, or do people not know what homosexuality and androgyny is anymore? (And this on a gay site).

by Anonymousreply 23January 27, 2014 10:24 PM

I'm calling baby dyke.

Honestly, the Jets should have been welcoming because the whole lot of them were gay as geese, even Tony (who was only confused briefly by Maria's fabulousness).

As for the Anita attack, they were all just making a grab for her cute hoop earrings.

by Anonymousreply 24January 27, 2014 10:36 PM

I don't know, R24, is the OP joking?

by Anonymousreply 25January 27, 2014 10:49 PM

OP, I don't see you answering the many people who have pointed out the many transgender characters in film previous to West Side Story.

There's even a notorious film that does nothing but explore questions of transgender identity, from the 1950s--Ed Wood, Jr.'s "Glen or Glenda?"

Don't you think it's time you admitted you were WRONG???

by Anonymousreply 26January 27, 2014 10:54 PM

I would say that a woman who is dressed like a man, calls herself Phil and refers to a man as "old chap," in the 1930s is transgender. (Women did not refer to men as "old chap;" it was something one man said to another) not merely homosexual or or "androgynous."

The hostess is homosexual. Phil is transgender, R22.

by Anonymousreply 27January 27, 2014 11:01 PM

It was an old butch lesbian thing from decades gone by to call themselves a man's name. Anyone who knows anything about gay/lesbian history knows this. Do not try to re-write history, please.

by Anonymousreply 28January 27, 2014 11:05 PM

Alfred Hitchcock was obsessed with sexual roles and gender identification. He just couldn't explore it in depth due to the time period when he was making films.

Love his delightfully gay couple in The Lady Vanishes. They are sports-obsessed -- something people did not identify with gay males -- and they became heroic in the film's showdown.

Hitchcock switched gender roles in The Man Who Knew Too Much. In the original, the husband was sort of soft and unfocused before the kidnapping, while the wife was steely, unsentimental and an expert marksman. In his remake of the same film, the wife is sentimental and soft while the husband is steely and unsentimental. Hitchcock even switched the gender of the kidnapped child.

by Anonymousreply 29January 27, 2014 11:09 PM

Oh please, R29. The hostess is a butch lesbian who does not dress like a man, serve the wine or call any of the men "old chap."

Time to admit you are wrong before you look like even more of a fool.

by Anonymousreply 30January 27, 2014 11:14 PM

Time to admit you are crazy, R31

by Anonymousreply 31January 27, 2014 11:22 PM

Wasn't Anybody's the bicycle of the Jet gang, hence her name?

by Anonymousreply 32January 27, 2014 11:44 PM

No way were the cricket guys in The Lady Vanishes a couple.

by Anonymousreply 33January 27, 2014 11:54 PM

Totally trans.

Ice is the new leader of the Jets after Biff is killed. Anybodys catches up with them and says he heard Chino plotting revenge. Ice gives everyone assignments, but not anybodys.

Anybodys: What about me?

Ice: You? (he pauses, thinks for a moment, and decides it is time to accept Anybodys) ln and out of the shadows. Maybe you'll find Tony in one of 'em.

Anybodys: Right! (who starts to run off, but Ice wants to make it perfectly clear)

Ice: Ya done good, buddy boy.

(The look on Anybodys' face is clear. Ice has accepted him as a boy!)

Anybodys: Thanks, Daddy-O!

From this scene on, Anybodys is one of the guys. The name of the character says a lot, but this scene seals it.

by Anonymousreply 34May 24, 2015 8:48 AM

This transgender ideology and their lies is getting out of hand. She was tomboy or baby dyke, period.

by Anonymousreply 35May 24, 2015 9:53 AM

Yes she was

by Anonymousreply 36May 24, 2015 10:17 AM

Go for it

by Anonymousreply 37May 24, 2015 10:17 AM

r33 You are correct. In fact, they grew up to become best friends, as seen in the British detective series, "Charters and Caldicott." One had a flat in town, the other lived out in the country, and was a magistrate. A hoot of a series.

by Anonymousreply 38May 24, 2015 12:53 PM

In order for a person to be trans, they have to state they are trans. Unless a character is stated to be be trans than they are gay. Sorry, she's a dagger.

by Anonymousreply 39May 24, 2015 2:11 PM

I think we need to get some definitions clear...

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by Anonymousreply 40May 24, 2015 2:32 PM

Sorry, I meant "transsexual vs. crossdresser"

by Anonymousreply 41May 24, 2015 2:37 PM

Wow, what a load of bs.

So, a character who questions gender stereotypes in the 1950s is trans?

And, why aren't we talking about alleged trans characters in movies? Because, this is a gay site, not a trans site.

So, r27, you're saying that a biological woman in the 1930s who dressed like a man, called herself Phil and referred to a man as "old chap" had a male identity in her head?

Anything that challenges gender stereotypes is trans? Bullshit!

[quote]Alfred Hitchcock was obsessed with sexual roles and gender identification.

No he wasn't, r29, because no one talked in terms of "gender identification" back then. The concept wasn't invented until the 1990s or later.

Yep, let's wipe out all the gay characters and call them trans!

by Anonymousreply 42May 24, 2015 2:45 PM

I don't think that's a very nice thing to say about Natalie Wood, OP.

by Anonymousreply 43May 24, 2015 2:50 PM

Anybodys wasn't gay; she was in love with Ice, and who could blame her? Tucker Smith was a blond Adonis!

by Anonymousreply 44May 24, 2015 6:27 PM

Advocate has "27 Transgender Film and TV Portrayals That Helped Turn the Tide" Anybodys is NOT on the list

Shame.

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by Anonymousreply 45July 21, 2015 2:23 PM

Sorry OP. You're an idiot. She was a she and she was pretty much the first portrait of a baby dyke ever. I'm not anti-trans but you folks have an issue with reality. 1-She was a babydyke 2-Jenner is a man until he does not have a penis. Oy...

by Anonymousreply 46July 21, 2015 2:29 PM

Trans didn't exist back then. It was coined as a term in the 90s as umbrellas for homophobic homos & autogynphiles.

Laverne Cox is a homophobic homo.

Bruce Jenner is a straight man with a sexual fetish of dressing like a lady.

Neither are "trans" because it's impossible to transition from one bio sex to the other.

Gender is a social construct based on stereotyped sex roles. So is transgender...it's just preferring the opposite stereotype than the one you're born with.

by Anonymousreply 47July 21, 2015 2:37 PM

The Wanderers also had a female character who was a straight tomboy played by Linda Manz. I wonder if she was supposed to be code for a gay boy or if she was simply the tomboy she was.

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by Anonymousreply 48July 21, 2015 2:40 PM

Hello; surely "Anybodys" is just a tomboy (girl)???

by Anonymousreply 49July 21, 2015 3:04 PM

R48 wasn't she madly in love with the big, fat leader of the Baldies?

by Anonymousreply 50July 17, 2017 10:37 PM

Anybody's was... well anybody's - they all could have her.

by Anonymousreply 51July 17, 2017 10:40 PM

R51 is that what that means? I've always wondered.

by Anonymousreply 52July 17, 2017 10:42 PM

Because we hate them?

by Anonymousreply 53July 18, 2017 1:11 AM

When you're a trans,

You're a trans all the way!

From your first pronoun change

You'll be LGBTQIA!

by Anonymousreply 54July 18, 2017 1:23 AM

People today are insane Trying to see WSS through a modern lense that just doesn't work. Anybodys wasn't trans; she was a very stereotypical tomboy who wanted to be accepted as part of the gang, but never could be. Could she have been a babydyke? not likely since she seemed to have a crush on one of the Jets.

The Jets continually rejected her not because she was trans or even a babydyke; the reason they rejected her isn't that complicated, they did it because she was a GIRL and not a boy.

by Anonymousreply 55October 3, 2018 12:47 AM

West Side Story had the FIRST Transgender character on film

Hilariously effective clickbait!

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by Anonymousreply 56October 3, 2018 11:24 AM

Oh dear, OP seems like an ignorant fuckwit. Women have cross dressed throughout history. This is not because they want to be men, they are trying to protect themselves by removing their femininity. As Anybodys did not cut her breasts off, have her womb ripped out nor take untested off label meds and male hormones she was definitely not a sad little mental tranny

by Anonymousreply 57October 7, 2018 2:41 AM
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