She's right, they could do something original. Who needs a remake of "Murder She Wrote"?
She's right, though, and it's in character for Angie considering her negative reaction to the remake of "The Manchurian Candidate." Why can't they create an original character for Octavia Spencer to play, who just happens to solve mysteries?
People who think this is a racial thing are missing the point. If they were rebooting it with Kathy Bates or Toni Collette, there would still be the same hoots and catcalls. We are sick of remakes. It's a sign of lazy thinking from Hollywood. To put it bluntly, people of color deserve better than white people's leftovers.
I see one of Minnie's special chocolate pies in that Cracker's future.
Its not even a remake. Its a reimagining. They're just using the title and her name but are going off in a new direction. Jessica Fletcher in the medical profession.
The network wants another Castle but hopes the MSW brand will automatically draw an audience in. Network product at its laziest.
Come back, "Hello Larry," all is forgiven.
[quote]Its not even a remake. Its a reimagining.
Eat shit and die.
They should at least give the character another name and make her Jessica's cousin. Don't mind them redoing the concept though. The whole show is a stolen concept anyway, even back then. And yet it worked.
Angie is right.
Color has nothing to do with it. Jessica Fletcher is an old lady.
Let's not kid ourselves, ladies! Even though the remake idea itself is pretty awful, the race issue just adds fuel to the fire. And rightfully so-how would the black people feel if someone decided to remake The Cosby show with an all white cast?!
Jessica from Cabin Cove, would NEVER have a negro cousin.
That's slightly different. Cosby show always had the underlying tone that Afro-American families can be successful middle class like whites. I don't think this matters here. Jessica Fletcher can be anything as long as she is single and a senior citizen.
Octavia Spencer said when she met with the NBC honchos, they asked her what kind of show SHE would like to do, she said her favorite shows were "Colombo" and "Murder, She Wrote," that she loves mysteries...so why didn't they just create a new series for her rather than "re-imagine" one of those programs? So lazy.
Why can't she play Jessica's English cousin? What was her name?
I agree R13, NBC blew it.
Octavia Spencer is very entertaining in the supporting roles I have seen her undertake. They could have used Murder She Wrote as a template without having to explicitly state it.
This is like SJP being peeved at the Carrie Diaries.
Actors are only the hired help. They don't own a character.
But they are insecure; someone else might do it better.
[quote] They could have used Murder She Wrote as a template without having to explicitly state it.
I agree, sweetie darling.
Hollywood studio and TV network producers are so creatively bankrupt. Indie movies and cable TV is where it's at right now.
I don't think this bodes well for Octavia. They did a reboot of an old TV show with Blair Underwood in the lead role, and that show didn't even air three episodes before networks pulled the plug.
Blair Underwood was SO good in A Little Night Music in LA. She should have got to do it on Broadway over CZJ.
Frankly R13 I would rather see Octavia Spencer in a re-imagining of Colombo. That I would watch.
[quote]if someone decided to remake The Cosby show with an all white cast?!
They did. It's called Every Fucking Sitcom Ever Made.
I like that idea, R21. Couldn't care less about MSW.
There would be more scope to do female Columbo. Jessica Flethcher wasn't very interesting, and I love Lansbury.
Reason why Peter Falk won Emmys for Columbo, while Angie was shut out 12 times for MSW
[quote]Its not even a remake. Its a reimagining.
Calling it "Murder She Rapped" starring Octavia Spencer as retired rapper "J.B. (aka MC JungleBunny ) Fletcher" and setting it in "Compton Cove" shows a total lack of re-imagination by all involved.
[quote]This is like SJP being peeved at the Carrie Diaries.
or Mr. Ed being peeved at SLP.
They missed the part where Landsbury said they should have called it 'Foxy Brown', instead.
He should talk, R32.
You would think the recent bombing of "Ironside" would make NBC at least go....hmmmm.
Is Landsbury actually a name? I wonder why people often add a d.
[quote] There would be more scope to do female Columbo.
Already tried that.
Tell me about it, R36.
How about a remake of a beloved '50's show, starring SNLs' Andy Samberg, and Uncle Jessie from Full House ?
"Stamos & Andy"
Well, they remade "Hawaii Five-O" and it's a success...
I know, R40. It's as if they just throw whatever shit at the wall, these days, to see what sticks. And if you're gonna remake a show like this, then at least find another old, white woman to star in it. Bruce Jenner could probably use the work.
Using her logic, Lansbury never should have done the remake of Gypsy. Her disasterous return to Mame should have taught her that some things are over for the original.
Who knew that remaking Murder She Wrote would create all of this static. My God, it's Murder She Fucking Wrote. Not Ibsen.
R43: When they cast Octavia Spencer as Nora in "A Doll's House," we can rehash that debate. But not before.
Octavia could be fun as Mrs Lovett.
People are so quick to call others "racist." Everyone likes to feel righteous, I guess.
The whole project does seem wholly unnecessary. However, Octavia's casting is the only interesting thing about it.
Who are they going to get for the guest stars? They don't make B-lists like they used to. Too many of them are ex-child actors in jail.
Is there some sort of Black Oscar Winners/Nominated Curse? It seems like as soon as they win an Oscar, the very next project is a total trainwreck (Halle Berry-Catwoman),lowbrow direct to dvd quality, (Cuba Gooding Jr - Boat Trip ) or a major step backwards to television ( Gabourey Sidibe -Coven ) and now Octavia to MSW on NBC???
I guess if I was an actor whom had starved and struggled for years and finally made it , I would still take just about any paying role, but why is so much more common with these very talented Black actors?
R49: Because white screenwriters aren't very good at creating believable black characters.
"It's not even a remake. Its a reimagining. They're just using the title and her name but are going off in a new direction. Jessica Fletcher in the medical profession."
What? The medical profession?
And to the poster who thinks Lansbury shouldn't complain about a revised version of MURDER, SHE WROTE because she herself has played some stage roles that were created by others: Oh yes, because that's EXACTLY the same thing.
Nothing can ever be remade unless it's done by blacks.
Doesn't AL know anything??
Since it's called Murder, She Wrote, shouldn't the lead character be a writer?
Is the hospital worker also a writer?
It could be good, with the right scripts an guest stars.
And Olivia knows how to sling a line, so that's something to look forward to.
Since no black people live in Maine, I don't believe they should have it take place in Cabot Cove.
She has to be a writer, that's why she can travel all over hell and creation. If you work in a hospital you aren't going out to LA one week and to London the next...that's crazy.
Calling it Murder She Wrote has gotten it a lot of attention, which I would guess is the intent.
"Using her logic, Lansbury never should have done the remake of Gypsy."
Wow, it's starting to sound like Angela used to star in 'Martyr She Wrote'.
They should have gotten me!
[quote]Since it's called Murder, She Wrote, shouldn't the lead character be a writer?
The new series features Octavia Spencer as some kind of medical administrator in a hospital setting who has just published her first murder mystery.
since Angela was upset with Patty Duke winning the Oscar n would not allow her to be on Murder she wrote, maybe. Octiva will allow Patty Duke to be on this version lol
A sassy black hospital worker, my what groundbreaking casting.
Really, NBC ?
Octavia gurrrrrl, yo careers in trouble
Of course there have been oodles of Miss Marples.
Again people, this is Murder She Wrote, a cheesy 80s show that added nothing to cultural zeitgeist. This thread should not have 66 posts.
You mean it shouldn't have 67 posts, R67.
Or 69. Ooooooooo 69
Yet you responded to it, R67.
That's the best you can do Lansbury Loon R51? Lansbury's Gypsy was considered a desecration by Merman Morons. She took a pushy, obnoxious New York Jew and turned her into a patrician WASP with a British accent. To go even further, Jule Styne came in to try to coach her to sing like Merman. If Lansbury believes that shows, TV or otherwise, have to be true to their origins, then she was completely wrong for the part and shouldn't have done it.
She does sound very ungracious about her ownership of roles. Merman was asked if she would follow Lansbury into Broadway after her "Gypsy" and the Merm responded "I wouldn't follow Angela with anything but a shovel."
Merman wasn't Jewish and Rose is from Seattle. And Lansbury was NOT a patrician WASP in GYPSY.
R71: But Freddie and I showed her, didn't we?
She played it like a patrician WASP. Jule Styne said that she just couldn't get past being a lady and that was why she was ineffective in the part.
And Merman might not have been Jewish but the entire world thought she was. Her persona certainly suggested as much.
[quote] she just couldn't get past being a lady and that was why she was ineffective in the part.
Her Tony says otherwise.
Next up: Gabourey Sidibe in "Fatlock." This fall on the CW.
Well, I thought Angela's remake of "Gaslight" was a mistake. The original was way better.
She needs to sit herself down.
Who is the idiot telling all these LIES about Lansbury's GYPSY?
First, she didn't play it with a British accent, you dipshit. Lansbury has been doing American accents since she was 17, and perfected them. In fact, if you see her in interviews now, she speaks with an American accent. Her "Brit" has all but disappeared by this point. (Same thing with Liz Taylor).
The only cavils about Lansbury's Gypsy were that she wasn't the belter that Merman was - although she sounded great in the role, and won her third Tony for it. She didn't play it "patrician" at all.
Just like Merman didn't play it "Jewish." You're an idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about. NO ONE thought Merman was Jewish, because she made a point of telling people she wasn't.
So, basically they are rebooting a slightly tweaked "Diagnosis: Murder" and calling it "Murder, She Wrote"? Can a reboot of "Matlock" or "Quincy M.E." be that far behind?
Oh, wait, I shouldn't be giving them any ideas...
I'd actually enjoy Octavia in a rebooted Columbo. She's a seasoned police detective who annoys everybody but whose crafty mind is picking up on the one thing the murderer forgot.
Actually, she'd be great in the reboot of "She's The Sheriff".
That old bitch has spent her entire career as an also-ran. As beloved as she is, maybe she should learn how to shut the fuck up in her dotage.
I'm hearing rumors about Blake Lively starring in a program where she's a working-class diner waitress from Philadelphia who marries a wealthy doctor from a prestigious family.
Let me just say, Blake: I will cut a bitch.
Let me guess, you didn't bother to actually read what she said, did you, r82?
I think the remake premise is clever.
The heroine is a budding amateur author who self-publishes, a real trend today. She's fascinated by true crime -- check out cable TV, who isn't? She writes under a pseudonym, so she can snoop without being asked "Hey aren't you that lady who writes about murder?" And, she has a job at a hospital, a perfect venue to intersect with the aftermath of different suspicious crimes.
In the current TV development marketplace, remakes and other gimmicks break through the noise. It doesn't mean they have to be bad. This could turn out to be interesting.
I think it's clever, too. Just wish they would go all the way with the concept and make Octavia one of Jessica's nieces.
Octavia is Seth's daughter!
Thanks, R72. Thanks for nothing, idiot at R71.
She called the remake of The Manchurian Candidate a mistake too.
She was right. I WASN'T EVEN NOMINATED!!! Can you believe it!
oops forgot to sign^^^
Does anyone remember "Get Christie Love!".
That one is ripe for a reimagining.
The idea is fine. Making her Jessica Fletcher and calling it "Murder, She Wrote"
Is not. Change the title, and make her a fan of JB Fletcher's who was inspired by her idol to write. Then bring in Angie for a two-part November sweeps special - and watch the ratings skyrocket. You could even make Diahann Carroll Octavia's glamorous aunt who is a friend of Jessica's, and that opens the door for Jessica's visit.
Them the aunt can show up and get involved in mysteries herself.
Whitney Houston tried to do a Get Christie Love reboot. Kerry Washington could do a movie version.
This will be a straight to B.E.T. program.
Some of you are genuinely too stupid to live.
If we were talking about television shows or movies about MLK or JFK, then the race aspect is a factor.
If you're so narrow-minded as to not be able to accept that to play this role, one doesn't have to be a specific race because the part itself doesn't call for it, then you're admitting you're just a moron who doesn't belong in the present or the future.
Honestly, be embarrassed for not understanding why this isn't something that should be up for debate based on race.
Shorter R95: You're a racist if you point out why this is a bad idea.
R95, sorry, but I think this was purposelessly done.This is a role that calls for an older white lady who is a mystery writer ,and who lives in a sea side East Coast town. I think this was done purposely because the PC hipster patrol were probably saying, we need to be politically correct by making her younger, and black. We have to cater to this generation by having an African American woman play this role too. We can't have someone play the role who is from a generation WHO WE consider to be a racist generation!
Angela Lansbury said the same thing about The Manchurian Candidate. She said: I don't understand how you can remake that movie, or even want to … And she was RIGHT!
NBC is just trying to use THE NAME to sell another crime show, that's all. Same as they did with "Ironside," so-called reboot. Miserable failure. NBC has very bad management. They cancel their hit shows and put on lousy reboots.
I guess you lack reading comprehension issues, R96:
[quote]Honestly, be embarrassed for not understanding why this isn't something that should be up for debate *based on race.*
You see, idiot, I'm referring to geniuses like the one who used "The Cosby Show" as an example. Ya know, someone specifically referring to race?
The remake is a bad idea, but I'm referring to morons who think it's a bad idea because she's black.
I won't even address R97. The moment "PC" sticks out in a post, I don't even bother reading it because the person is usually just a buffoon who gets upset over innocuous casting.
You don't fuck with the gimmick.
Replacing white people with black people.
You just don't. It doesn't work. That's proven.
Just wait until the remake "The Help" with Nicole Kidman playing Minny.
[quote]They cancel their hit shows and put on lousy reboots.
Hahahahaha ... when has NBC has a "hit show" recently?
Another idiot who hasn't the brain function to comprehend the difference.
Love R92's suggestion.
The thing that is odd is that Murder She Wrote was a CBS show. I guess NBC must have bought the rights to the show including the title. That must be why they are so all-fired intent on using the title. They probably paid a fortune for it. MSW was a very popular show for many years, but I agree with R92.
r107, I think it's because "Murder, She Wrote" was made by Universal, and Universal merged with NBC about ten years ago.
They already remade Columbo.
It's called Law and Order Criminal Intent.
Remember the black version of The Honeymooners? Awful.
I would have bought a black Flintstones with the right casting, though.
People want at least one more "Murder She Wrote" tv movie. Jesus, Hallmark should be front the dough for that crap!
Even Wendy hated the black version of the Honeymooners, and while she wants to see Octavia in a detective series where they use their brains instead of guns and car chases, she doesn't think Murder, She Wrote will work.
Steal the plot and call it something else. Simple.
I heard they are setting the show in Detriot and Octavia's Jessica is a gossipy manicurist in a seedy salon. Gunshots are heard constantly outside the salon and Jessie Fletcher is always one upping the fuzz on who killed the drug dealers.
Sure it's a mistake to remake Murder She Wrote. It's going to fail. So it really doesn't matter