- British actors have been getting work in American movies from the beginning. The most talented import at the moment is obviously Michael Fassbender.
However, there is absolutely no need for another HiddleStan thread on the DL. Further, the DL is not invested in the HiddleStans v Cumberbitches feud you morons brought here.
- Thanks, OP.
- Alexander Skarsgard is not British.
- I question your assertion that all these actors are "posh" (which means members of the upper class) or even British. Chris Hemsworth's Australian. Skarsgard is Swedish. Fassbender's father (a chef) is German and he was born in Germany and grew up in Ireland (which I guess you could call British, though the Irish would probably quibble with that.)
Acting is a notoriously competitive and unstable profession so it's hard to predict who'll be successful how long. Sometimes it depends more on how many friends you have in the business and how reliable you are rather than how talented you are, but talent definitely counts for more in the UK than it does in the US and it's easier to be a working actor in a country with well-subsidized theater and mass media (though the Tories are doing their best to defund the BBC and other state subsidized arts organizations.)
- OP (and r1), Michael Fassbender is not British, neither is Alexander Skarsgard.
- Where are Matthew Goode and Hugh Dancy?
And Skarsgard is from Sweden.
- I'm tired of this overload of British actors taking over American roles. EVERY industry seems to be giving jobs away to foreigners instead of Americans.
- Isn't Alex Swedish??
- OK, I know that Skarsgard and Hemsworth are not British; I said so in the other thread. I just included them for the hell of it because they are also getting a lot of acting roles and have a following. Fassbender is technically not British; he's Irish/German though he's lived in London for the last 10 years.
The poll only let me include 10 names, sorry.
- Because the Americans are crap, r7. Who are the decent youngish American actors of today?
R4, the Tories are posh. That's the common factor.
- Exactly, R7. And Hollywood produces some of our most lucrative exports. American actors need to train themselves better and take a note from British actors. Study the classics and avoid lame Acting for the Camera classes taught in walk-ups.
- I assume by 'posh' they mean more of an image thing. The only two up there who are both Brit and actually part of the UK upperclass are Redmayne and Hiddleston.
I always assumed it's a combination of better talent for less money. There was a whole article I read that went into UK actors being cheaper and more willing to do what they're told on set than US actors.
- Isn't Tom Hardy from money? And Cumberbatch and Cavill were at least borderline upper middle class, I think
- Thank you for the thread!
- [quote]Because the Americans are crap, [R7]. Who are the decent youngish American actors of today?
Ah, yes - because British actors like Henry Cavill and Robert Pattinson are such great actors. Dumbass.
The days of Britain giving us trained Laurence Olivier-type actors ended decades ago honey. There's nothing special about them anymore.
- @ R13
Not sure about Cavill at all but I didn't think Hardy was?
Cumberbatch was definitely middle class or upper middle class (not sure which, arts scholarships to Harrow are means-tested but I don't know what the income limit is), but not part of the UK's upper class.
- [quote]I'm tired of this overload of British actors taking over American roles.
It's ironic, isn't it? There have to be as many average to downright odd looking American actors as British but they insist on importing average to odd looking British Actors (not Cavill et al, obviously) to fill the bill. My theory is it's because most of American entertainment comes cranking out like its made in a beauty factory so when they need a talented actor to choose from they don't think anybody exists in America. I honestly chalk it up to the consistent levels of crap and mediocrity in storytelling and the American obsession with beauty in the leads and secondary principal characters.
Downton Abbey is not good writing, although it's entertaining television. They couldn't get a greenlight on something like that here until somebody did it somewhere else and they decided to knock it off.
- You know, I had to think about any current decent newish younger American actors. Is Oscar Isaacs from the US? Michael B. Jordan. Those are the only ones I could think of off the top.
Does Channing Tatum count lol? Or Taylor Kitsch.
- All I could think of was Michael B. Jordan, r18. People have been talking about Dane DeHaan but he seems still relatively unknown.
- Aaron Paul, Jesse Plemons, Jesse Eisenberg.
- Who the f-ck is Jesse Plemons? Aaron Paul is a b-list TV actor from a big show, he needs to prove his chops in films now to be considered an up-and-comer.
Just read Oscar Isaac was raised in the US but born in Guatemala to Guatemalan-Cuban parents. Scratch him.
That leaves only Jordan and Eisenberg as the only two. Wow the list is really short, didn't realize there was such a lack of American talent.
- Ezra Miller is a fantastic young U.S. actor.
- I'd left out Eisenberg because he isn't really up and coming or new. He's been around for years and is an Oscar-nominated actor.
- The movies now aren't very good either, though. Even the "praised" ones.
It feels like the time period in the 1960's before "Easy Rider " hit. Not that I was alive then.
- ok 22 will count him. Still very obscure but definitely talented. The list is still painfully short.
(Apologies to the OP and others for briefly hijacking the thread, supposed to be about posh brit actors. Carry on.)
- most will go the way of Ben Chaplin, Jeremy Northam, Joseph Fiennes, Ioan Grufford, Paul Bettanny....
- Taylor Kitsch is good and so is Chris Evans. A few years back Evans was in a TV film of Tennessee Williams "Loss of a Teardrop Diamond" which co-starred Bryce Dallas Howard. He was really good, I thought.
- Taylor Kitsch was good on Friday Night Lights but he bombed spectacularly when given big budget movie opportunities. Who knows if he'll get another chance in Hollywood. He could very well fade into obscurity and he wasn't that known to begin with.
- You may be right, r26. But in the case of actors like Hardy, Fassbender, and perhaps Cumberbatch, I think they might have more career longevity based on being critical and/or internet darlings and having a mix of blockbuster action/superhero movies on their resumes with more prestigious indie/art house fare. The landscape's changed a bit now that the era of the movie star is pretty much over.
- Taylor Kitsch did a decent job as the lead in Peter Berg's Battleship. I was surprised when Alexander Skarsgard got killed off halfway through the movie.
It seems that except for a few very top A list actors, most leading men/women enjoy only a very short stay at the top before fading from view. Character actors, who aren't dependent solely on good looks generally have the best long term career prospects.
- Like R30, i think most of those actors will be well employed as long as they like. British actors don't see success by American measures of celebrity.
- [quote]British actors don't see success by American measures of celebrity.
maybe Dame Judi and Dame Maggie don't but the younger generation can't wait to get to LA
I disagree a bit.
I think Hiddleston is very thirsty for fame.
He will attend the opening of an email if he thinks it will garner more attention and fans.
Dame Judi and Dame Maggie are icons. Love them!
- Hiddleston attends every play opening night in London and always does the red carpet.
- Yet another stealth Prancing Pony thread. Christ you fangirls are pathetic.
- I love you too, R35.
- R35, blue and yellow wear the fine fellows.
- what are prancing ponies?
- Are Hiddleston and Fassbender the same person?
- Fassbender's penis says, "No," r39.
- For Younger American Actors, I think Chris Pine is talented, hot and hopefully having grown up with a dad in the business, is smart enough to stay away from the pitfalls.
As for Other Brits, Don't forget about Aaron Johnson. He is a good actor, very hot and of course has that rather odd marriage thing that people find intriguing.
- Garfield is very talented, Hiddleston too, but he is overexposed and he seems smarmy.
Don't get the appeal of Fassbender at all. Very overrated.
Tom Hardy is an interesting actor as is Ben Wishaw (he stole the show in Skyfall)
- [quote] rather odd marriage thing that people find intriguing.
- Aaron Johnson married Sam Taylor Wood when he was 18 or 19 and she was either pregnant or had just given birth. She is well over 40 and directed him when he was 17 in Nowhere Boy, which is when their affair started.
Many people find that pairing odd, especially since she rivals Sarah Jessica Parker in the Horse Face contest.
But separating that, I think he is very good looking and on film and in pictures he is sexy as fuck. Seems a bit odd in interviews.
Still for 30 year old generation coming out of Hollywood right now, I like Chris Pine the best. He seems smart, is funny in interviews, and stays relatively private, and doesn't do the twitter thing. He seems to have questionable taste in women, but otherwise seems like a decent sort and talented too.
If you haven't seen People Like Us, it is worth watching. I thought he was terrific in that. The film is decent, not great, but he and Elizabeth Banks are just terrific as is Michelle Pfeiffer.
- I voted for Andrew because I want to have sex with his hair.
- Chris Hemsworth, neither British nor posh, is known to be bi if not completely gay. It's basically an open secret in Australia.
He was bearded by his castmate Isabel Lucas while in a gay relationship with his housemate, another castmate, during the run of Home and Away. His current marriage was arranged by the their management - they are both with the same company - and was all completed very quickly once his star started to rise and, with it, all the old ghosts from home.
- Why have him get married? Wouldn't he be more appealing as a single star?
- Michael Fassbender is not British. He was born in Germany and grew up in Ireland with his Irish mother and German mother.
- To assuage those pesky gay rumours starting to drift in from the colonies, r47.
- [quote]He was born in Germany and grew up in Ireland with his Irish mother and German mother.
Sort of Kate und UberAlle?
- I dunno about that that, r40. Tom is also hung.
- People like Cumberbatch and Hiddleston get TONS of media and internet attention, but barely anyone out in the real world really knows who they are. Same with Fassbender.
And Hemsworth is Australian. And Skarsgard is Swedish. He's not posh either, considering his dad was a theater actor and hardly raking in the big bucks when he was young.
- Cavill is pretty, but a mediocre actor.
- Twit at r15, I didn't say British actors are great, I said there's a dearth of good youngish American actors. That creates an opportunity for others to take the top spot.
Who are the good 20s/mid-30s American actors out there now?
- [quote]People like Cumberbatch and Hiddleston get TONS of media and internet attention, but barely anyone out in the real world really knows who they are.
Young people and action fans know Hiddleston from the Thor movies.
- @55 They know Loki. If you mention "Tom Hiddleston" you're gonna get a whole bunch of "Who?"
- I've never seen Hiddleston's movies. I only know him because I saw some clip of him with cookie monster... not that I watch Sesame Street on a regular basis, but I was sent the clip.
He's very... charming, but in a calculating way.
- true r56.
- [quote]They know Loki. If you mention "Tom Hiddleston" you're gonna get a whole bunch of "Who?"
But isn't that true of nearly every young actor or actress these days, minus possibly Jen Lawrence? There are no more real "movie stars" being created anymore.
- @r59 (arghhh how do you get the reply thing???) I completely agree. But the OP was saying that these actors are like huge and get tons of attention, when in fact it's all confined to fangirls on tumblr and random media people.
- Americans are too obsessed with looks and ruining their faces with surgery.
Without British actors there would be no one to play older or character parts.
- [quote]Without British actors there would be no one to play older or character parts.
you are making this to easy.
- R60 exactly like you did minus the @
- The movie star period is over, just like are Tom Cruise and Will Smith. People want to see good movies/stories or marvel movies, not actors.
Hollywood love the british because they're cheaper and hard working. From the new genertion only Hardy, Fassbender and perhaps Cumberbatch will stay, but as character actors not movie star.
And it's also true that young american actors are underestimated whereas some british actors are clearly overrated, but they have the good accent.
- Found you all. Are still allowed to talk about Mr Bullshit on here?
- That many Brit actors in Hwood are posh is a product of the British system for producing actors. We have the treadmills too - these people go to stage schools (eg Conti) and move on to genre TV and soap roles.
Our film and theatre actors go to uni then RADA or similar. RADA is VERY expensive and quite elitist. Theatre pays peanuts. Thus a large proportion of these people are posh/come from money.
Never forget that there is much less of a tradition/willingness to bus tables for a living while trying to "make it" this side of the pond.
- We're always allowed to talk about Mr Bullshit.
What astonish me is his popularity on ONTD. Generally they shit on everyone but he's shitproof there.
They're worse than Tumblr, as they spent their time criticize Tumblr fangirls whereas they're even worse in their fanatism.
- Even CB is becoming like ONTD about TH, in the last thread a person dared to write that in the past TH used to make snarky remarks on twitter and her comment was flagged as spam right away.
- When I think of outstanding American character actors, all I come up with us Sam Rockwell.
That's kinda sad.
- Benedict Cumberbatch is very talented and I quite like his 'couldn't give a fuck what people think of me' attitude. Fass is talented too but quite clearly has multiple issues and I have a weakness for broken men.
Redmayne is OK I guess. Kit Harrington intrigues me.
- Good american character actor: Willem Dafoe, Steve Buscemi, Bryan Cranston, John Goodman, Jeff Bridges, Philip Seymour Hoffman, Joaquin Pheonix, John Turturro, Benicio Del Toro etc.
They're all good or very good character actors.
They're there but Hollywood promotes Channing Tatum and other bland untalented actors.
- I've been kicked off ONTD 5 years ago. Back then they didn't like MF. Also don't ever critersize Matt smith being a lesser doctor than Tennat on tumblr- another ban.
- Buzzfeed is going downhill a bit
- Buzzfeed does that with a lot of actors, but they're usually funny not so much here.
- Yes, Sam Rockwell. But also Emile Hirsch, Ben Foster (going to be playing Lance Armstrong!) and I'll also include Ryan Gosling.
CB is pathetic about him. They used to be pithy and smart- it was entertaining to read.
They are now basically Tumblr with older, mean women in regards to TH.
And, again, none of his "fans" EVER talk about his acting skills.
- R9 Actually Fassbender has lived in London for about 17 years already, but it still doesn't make him British. He is Irish/German.
R13 I don't know about Tom Hardy, I think Tom Hiddleston might come from money. Maybe Cumberbatch as well.
- [quote]We're always allowed to talk about Mr Bullshit.
What astonish me is his popularity on ONTD. Generally they shit on everyone but he's shitproof there. They're worse than Tumblr, as they spent their time criticize Tumblr fangirls whereas they're even worse in their fanatism
This is very true.(You call him "Mr. bullshit"? LOL!)
"Go back to ONTD, IMDB" ...somebody get his fangurls an Oscar. Actually they are even better actresses than him.
- R69 Love Sam Rockwell, he's also an amazing dancer.
R72 MF - Martin Freeman?
- MF: Michael Fassbender?
- I have noticed a tide turn in the way people talk about Mr B. It seems a lot more snarky now, a lot less inclined to believe everythin he says. I do still like him but I wonder if it's a lack of tea driving people to start snarking. What tea do we have on Fass? Aside from the usual being a big ole shagger?
- MF is Michael fassbender and I'm guessing Mr B is TH. the reason Mr B is Mr B is not lack of tea but the lack of truth and contradictions he spouts in his case.
- R81 Nothing much on Fassbender other than the old rumors that he beat one of his GFs but she withdrew the charges. That and he recently decided to relieve himself outdoors while filming in New Zealand and someone snapped a photo but blotted out the best part, LOL!
Lately the Fass has taken to complaining that people are objectifying him by talking about his big cock. I'm calling BS. Beginning to reek of Hiddleston and his Eton crap.
Honestly, I find Fassbender to be an enormously talented actor with a hot temper, who behaves or misbehaves as it pleases him. Inherently nastier than Cumberbatch who just enjoys bringing the snark.
Sort of a Jonathan Rhys-Meyers "light" in that respect. Please NOTE: I am not referring to talent here. JRM is also talented but not in MF's league, IMO but much more troubled by drink/drugs.
- I actually think Hiddleston is a good actor. His range seems limited, but he's done well so far.
- R84 Agreed. Hiddleston is a good actor. He showed that in War Horse and Hollow Crown. Midnight in Paris wasn't a big acting stretch. He was part of an ensemble cast and did fine.
It will be interesting to see the reviews from Coriolanus. That's a very tough role and British theatre critics are not easily impressed. He's got to be exhausted after promoting Thor 2 nonstop for the past month.
His CV is light by comparison to his peers. Hopefully as he gains more experience, he will exhibit more range.
- Nationality discrimination. Brits in Hollywood hire other Brits and disdain Americans. It's illegal, but they all do it.
- r86 = the voice of reason.
- Fassbender is talented and sexy as hell but I feel sorry his girlfriends.
Hardy is very good. His family has money but he acts lower class.
Cumberbatch is very talented. A good guy who can be a real bitch when he wants.
Hiddleston may be good but acts as he shits rainbows and unicors.
Hemsworth and Cavill are bland and should stop the steroids.
Ben Winshaw is talented but too skinny, no leading man material.
Garfield and Redmayne are just irrelevant.
- It's interesting Mr B is going to play Coriolanus an exact opposite of what he's like in real life. I don't think he would be physically good in battle but we've already seen him give great politician answers in interviews
- Hey, what about me?!!!
- Rpatz, perhaps the most irrelevant.
Bad actor but seems to be a good guy. Twilight blowed his credibility as an actor but he has enough money and fangirls to work with Werner Herzog, David Croenenbreg and James Gray.
Seeing him acting with Cumberbatch will be hilarious. Poor Cumby doesn't deserve it.
- BC is a good actor because he can slip into any role required of him. I also enjoy is interviews because he doesn't try to be something he isn't and generally doesn't give a shit what people think
- [quote] It's interesting Mr B is going to play Coriolanus an exact opposite of what he's like in real life
Yes, R89, it's called being an actor.
- R89 Mr. B or Sir Hiddles might be very good in battle not in terms of brawn but speed. He's lithe and fast on his feet and the fact that he's thin, means he's not as big a target. Though if someone did hit him with fists or weapons he'd be a goner!
On this last Thor 2 press tour an interviewer asked him if he was stranded on a desert island with his Avengers co-stars who would he eat? He said "I'd probably be the first one to die and they'd end up eating me!" I thought that was funny AND very true.
- R94 I know he's fast but that's not good in a battle unless you're going to run away. Foot solider he'd need to bulk up a bit to use the swords as they were very heavy and as a horse back archer he'd need to know how to use a bow properly because he wasn't in hallow crown. I disagree that he'd be the first one to die on a dessert island. He can easily bore somone to death with his Bs.
Mr B as Coriolanus is an interesting idea, still not sure it's the right Shakespeare role for him. I'd cast him as bottom
- MrB could also play Titania the fairy queen, no need to bulk up.
- I hate how this posts always end up turning into fans/haters of Hiddleston and Cumberbatch talking about shit no one else understands. Are we supposed to know who Mr. B is without explanation? Can't you keep that crap in all the other hundreds of threads about those annoying Brits?
- GO THE FUCK BACK TO TUMBLR, HIDDLESTON TROLLS!
Jesus fuck, they ruin every single thread, don't they?!?!?
- Tom Hardy and Michael Fassbender are the ones to watch.
The rest? Meh.
- Cumberbatch is really odd looking so I kind of wonder why he has so many female fans. He really does look like an Alien.
- [quote]you are making this to[sic] easy.
So are you.
[Nationality discrimination. Brits in Hollywood hire other Brits and disdain Americans. It's illegal, but they all do it.]
You bring up an interesting point. A very few American actors who are serious about theatre have been known to turn the tables and invade the West End with varying degrees of success. Most notably: Richard Chamberlain, Kevin Spacey and even David Schwimmer. Spacey became artistic director of the Bristol Old Vic in 2003 and received an honorary CBE in 2010. Percentage-wise more Brits come Stateside to act compared to the number of Americans that cross the pond for jobs. I'm not counting American actors working in American-financed productions filming in the UK.
- R97 Somebody at the very beginning nicknamed TH as Mr. Bullshit, so the Mr.B should refer to him. I agree that it can be confused with BC.
R98 OP will maybe correct me on this, but this thread was supposed to be the following thread to talk about TH, the added poll and title was just for the fun.
- R103 Yes, this thread was supposed to be the follow on TH thread. However I took someone's suggestion to name the thread Posh British Actors -- which in hindsight was a mistake. My bad. I was in a hurry and the thread was filling up fast.
And yes, the poll was just for fun and not limited to Brit actors. This is the first poll I ever created and was not aware DL limits polls to 10 choices. Something to consider next time.
I'm enjoying all the talk about the various actors in this thread. Happy to make another Hiddleston-centric thread if posters want one OR if posters want to keep convo about Hiddleston in this thread to a minimum.
Let me know. Trying to keep things lively without starting a war!
- Fassbender is banging Gerard Butler ex-girlfriend. I call it a class act.
- These Hiddleston fangirls are like a virus and this thread is yet another host cell to which they have attached themselves.
- What about me?
- I don't understand what the fangurls see in either Hiddleston or Cumberbatch. I understand the Twihards - they were obsessed with the source material and transferred that to the actors. The actors themselves are immaterial to their obsession, really.
TH and BC are average/ugly. So what is the appeal?
- R104 Sorry if it sounded like a critic, it was unintentional. I was just trying to point out to R98, and now R106, that this is a TH thread.
For me it's ok as it is, a few people that wanted to make TH-centric coments have posted on an old thread called "THOR getting rave reviews on Rotten Tomatoes!".
- The Harry Potter Kid grew up short and not sexy.
Could be a good actor with time.
- Tom Hardy is a really good actor. He was in theater for a while. He's still dating his Wuthering Heights co-star Charlotte Riley. He's a very very sensitive and sweet person who doesn't care about projects he chooses. His accent seems a bit odd but who cares, really.
Michael Fassbender is a great actor whose personality I find unappealing.
Benedict Cumberbatch is a wonderful actor but I'm tired of his fangirls.
Tom Hiddleston isn't a good actor. I never liked him anyway. And the way fangirls obsess over him is ridiculous. He's not pretty also. Tries a bit too hard. Pretentious. Comes from privelege. Plus a famewhore.
Ryan Gosling is nice and all, but there is something about him I don't like.
Love Jesse Eisenberg, Sam Rockwell and Chris Pine. They come across as sweet, sensitive guys who don't want to be famewhores.
- TH is Mr B aka Mr Bullshit because that's his main speciality. As Op has already stated this thread is not an extension of tumblr or ONTD. If we were we wouldn't be calling TH Mr B. duh!
- We usually abbreviate an actors name to their initials but in some cases they can have the same .from my observations;
TH - Tom hiddleston
Mr B (mr bullshit) see above
BC - Benedict Cumberbatch
CH- Chris Hemsworth
MF- Micheal Fassbender
RDJ- Robert downing junior
We could use
Tom H for Tom Hardy
Charlie H for Charlie Hunman
Martin F for Martin Freeman
- Whether is is the decades old flood of Canadian comics or the decades old flood of British actors, what they both have in common is that creatives in both countries have government healthcare.
This means an actor, painter, singer could raise a family on a creative's income without fear that they are going to lose the company insurance or have to declare medical bankruptcy or have to go begging for their children's medical care.
The greatest American actors for the past 70 years have never been because the risk is too high.
- r100 because fat and ugly young/middle aged women/gays think it gives them a better shot?
- R100 I wonder what he's like in bed.
- [quote][R100] I wonder what he's like in bed.
Ask and ye shall receive:
- R117 LOOOL I cried laughing.
- I kind of get Hardy, Fassbender, Cumberbatch et al because they're excellent actors.
But Cavill, Hiddleston and Redmayne have never really been impressive in anything I've seen.
All of them have some obnoxious fans, like most celebs.
- Not all but most of these actors have an intelligence and sophistication their American counterparts lack.
All you need to do is see them onstage ... Just extraordinary. Redmayne, Garfield, Cumberbatch, on and on... Astonishing.
- [quote]All you need to do is see them onstage ... Just extraordinary. Redmayne, Garfield, Cumberbatch, on and on... Astonishing.
Shall we get you smelling salts, Mary?
- I don't need smelling salts. I'm not an hysteric. Just someone who loves live theatre and won't pretend the serious training in the UK makes no difference vs superficial Hollywood blockbusters as the crucible for a nation's young talent.
- Do you even recognize the irony in what you wrote considering these "thespians" you're going on and on about are all making their bones in those superficial Hollywood blockbusters?
They've all sold out and are doing parts where they can easily be replaced.
- Redmayne is playing Stephen hawking. Garfield did Salesman on Broadway. Cumberbatch was at the National last year. These actors balance art and commerce.
- No mention of Richard Armitage? Isn't he 'posh'?
- And TH did Pixie Hollow! Oh the sophistication! There is a great use of and education that probably put his parents back half a million!
- Armitage never really gets mentioned. I don't know why he doesn't get more/better work.
He's not particularly posh either.
I don't think he's an amazing actor but he's delicious.
- "most will go the way of Ben Chaplin, Jeremy Northam, Joseph Fiennes, Ioan Grufford, Paul Bettanny...."
WEHT those guys? Seriously. I used to love Ioan, Ben, and Jeremy. Then I just forgot about them.
For some reason British guys have trouble making it as big time leading men in Hollywood (although they have no trouble finding character parts and tv roles). Hollywood tried to make Clive Owen and Jude Law into leading men but their star vehicles bombed. Most of these guys are talented (except for Henry Cavill - seriously, who voted for him?) and will continue to work but I don't see anyone of them being the next Pitt or Clooney.
- Yeah, I think Brits hit a threshold. Most will never attain the levels of a Pitt, Clooney, Smith, etc.
Brits can make a very good living in Hollywood, but most will never be A list.
- No one is A list anymore. The days of the A list are over.
- R126 as it will go straight to dvd like all the other pixie hollow films, it's safe to say we won't be seeing any heavy promoting with the singing and dancing
- Yeah, but Brad and George are terrible actors.
- Most British actors don't look at A list as a career goal. They're much more serious about the work.
- You fucking fangurl freaks think EVERY thread is here for you to ruin with your obsession with this marginally interesting supporting actor.
Again - GO BACK TO TUMBLR AND STOP RUINING DATALOUNGE, HIDDLESTON STALKERS!
- R134, read R104 and cease your insults.
- This *is* the new Hiddleston thread. As discussed on the *old* thread.
Not every thread, just this one which was made for us by a fellow paying member to mainly discuss him.
I'll coincide that. Hardy, Fassbender, Cumberbatch, Whislaw and Garfield (don't know much about the rest) seem like they just want work and bounce all over project-wise.
The A-list is a thing of the past. Putting them in movies doesn't guarantee an audience anymore.
- Hiddles and Cumberbatch have had to work harder because they couldn't get by just on their looks. I think this is also their appeal to the fangurls. Henry Cavill or Richard Armitage are so ridiculously hot that even if they were car mechanics or office clerks the average-looking woman would never have a shot at them. Hiddles and Cumberbatch are the kind of guys they would actually have a shot at in real life, looks-wise.
- [quote]Most British actors don't look at A list as a career goal. They're much more serious about the work.
Give it a rest. They'd keep their asses in some 'royal' theater in London if they were serious about their work.
They all want to make it in Hollywood. And they're all playing superheroes and sci-fi characters.
- [quote]Yeah, I think Brits hit a threshold. Most will never attain the levels of a Pitt, Clooney, Smith, etc.
Nobody will be attaining that status, whether brit or otherwise. See the earlier discussion upthread about the terrible lack of talented up-and-coming American young actors...the days of finding a new Pitt, Clooney etc are over.
- [quote]Henry Cavill or Richard Armitage are so ridiculously hot that even if they were car mechanics or office clerks the average-looking woman would never have a shot at them.
They would if they had penises.
Only if they just wanted to do plays forever and nothing else.
Exposure in the US industry, no matter how it comes, can open up doors to other projects, such as good indie work. US film industry in general dwarfs the UK's by volume.
I'm not saying that all of them are serious about acting, not at all. Some definitely just want the fame. But it absolutely makes sense for even a serious actor to do a US blockbuster for the exposure.
- [quote]US film industry in general dwarfs the UK's by volume.
I play a dwarf!
- [quote]Rpatz, perhaps the most irrelevant.
He's the next Orlando Bloom.
- Oh come on. Nobody needs to do a blockbuster to get exposure so that they can do indies. They do blockbuster superhero parts because they want the money. Period. They are all doing their best to sell out to Disney. It doesn't lead to serious work. It leads to more blockbusters and other large budget jobs and maybe some GQ interviews or shoots which lead to licensing contracts and yet more money.
Money is power. Not just the money you take home yourself, but the money you can claim your work made for the studios. There are people in the industry who do nothing but crunch these numbers, and these numbers determine who floats to the top. Nothing else.
Talent is very cheap and mostly not even used. British actors are cheap and have the rep for doing exactly what the studios tell them to do (and TH is the poster boy).
You described TH's whole career plan nicely.
Anyone who thinks he does this for the love of his art is living on Asgard.
- [r 145]
You don't have to, but it sure as hell helps get you out there to a whole lot of casting directors fast. Like I said, I can see why even a serious actor would move between industries.
I wasn't referring to Hiddleston, just some of the other actors up there on the poll. TH and a lot of the other Marvel-involved ones are the actors I was thinking of literally when I typed 'some are in it for the fame,' lol.
- R145 Actually that's incorrect, for Hollywood anyway. The saying is "one for me, one for the studio" - a successful actor will need the exposure in a big-budget film so they can make the indie movies they want. As John Cusack has pointed out.
- For God's sake, Hiddleston is currently rehearsing Coriolanus for the Donmar Warehouse. Anyone who just wants to be a big budget Hollywood movie star does not go devote 6 months of a year to obscure Shakespeare.
- He failed with The Crow and had no other suggestions, he needed work.
- He has devoted considerably less time than that to Shakespeare. Marvel always comes first. Nice that he is finally doing some rehearsals though. There is not a lot of time. I predict that he will be carried well by the rest of the cast, which has usually been the case with him.
Donmar is far from the West End, and is known for capitalizing on fangirl buzz. It will be the first time in three years that he has touched the stage or Shakespeare. It's not his priority.
- He doesn't have much choice. He's not getting the roles he wants.
Hollywood is not giving him big juicy leading man roles. Doing Coriolanus is just a way of showing to casting directors/industry people he can do serious big-boy acting as well as dancing like a puppet for Disney.
He's hoping it will lead to some more interesting/more significant movie roles.
- I'm looking at the poll results and laughing. People honestly rated Hiddleston above Hardy and Whishaw?
- R151 The last Shakespeare work was the Hollow Crown in 2012, however the last stage run he did was in 2008, as far as I'm aware (except for 2 one-off theatre events). And he's probably taken the stage role as he wasn't being cast in any films (the director said that the negotiations for the play had been going on for nearly a year).
R153 Oh dear, Whishaw is probably the most talented of the lot.
And I'm intrigued as to what R46 posted; is it really an open secret in Oz that Hemsworth is gay/bi? Receipts, if there are any?
- I'm going to say it and God help me, I really don't want to be one of those people, but still: I'm genuinely sick of all of the British actors; it's enough. I also don't want to hear the bullshit about there being no American actors who can do it because that's such bullshit. Let's stop pretending every actor coming out of the UK is a Shakespearean-trained one.
I mean someone like Cavill fit the damned suit, period. Most of the compliments he gets for Superman are based on his looks, not his acting.
- "Talent is very cheap and mostly not even used. British actors are cheap and have the rep for doing exactly what the studios tell them to do (and TH is the poster boy)."
Except for that bratty Alex Pettyfer
- Speaking of Whishaw, what does everyone think of him playing Freddie Mercury? Similarly, Tom Hardy playing Elton John?
- No, this is not yet another HiddleStan thread at least it fucking well had better not be one.
If you keep insisting on filling up the Datalounge with your HiddleStan bullshit, you will run into problems posting here at all.
- Think they'll be brilliant. Really they had to be brit actors. Could you see Justin Timberlake playing Elton, as had been rumored? Eeek.
- [quote]Speaking of Whishaw, what does everyone think of him playing Freddie Mercury?
I was born to love you, Ben.
- R155 I agree with you, and I'm a Brit. I'm guessing it's because they're cheap, there's this whole concept of the Brit villain(see: Terence Stamp, Anthony Hopkins, Alan Rickman), there's a perception they're better trained (not necessarily true of course), and at the moment it's a trend.
I remember an interview Ed Norton did, and he said for every one of him, there were a dozen just as talented actors, if not more than him in NY, and he'd just been lucky. Success isn't necessarily to do with talent.
- is that a threat r158? maybe you should think about stopping your trolling in threads where you're not wanted otherwise you'll be the one with posting problems.
The TH discussion has been pretty much kept to one thread at a time, which is perfectly within rules. Also this thread has hardly been a stan thread, there's been decent discussions on UK vs US actors, lack of American talent, theater aspirations vs blockbuster fame. The TH talk as been a jump off point for other related and interesting topics, which is all good.
I hate complaint trolls.
- Could someone please inform me WHY THE FUCK people on here post @s if this place is Twitter?!
- [quote]Could someone please inform me WHY THE FUCK people on here post @s if this place is Twitter?!
- No, just sane.
- Alex Pettyfer or Max Irons to name a few more British youngsters.
I prefer Colin Firth or C. Bale over any of the listed actors. I know C. Bale gets a lot of flack but he does a decent job acting and yes yes he did get into the comic book world too.
I think it is the accents and old world manners that make some of these men attractive, especially to American women who fantasize about the perfect man.
Just give me Jeremy Irons or Alan Rickman.
- "Alex Pettyfer or Max Irons to name a few more British youngsters."
Max Irons is hot but his acting is only okay to me.
- I don't think the posh ones are all that sexy. Most look inbred, the less posh ones are better.
- Isn't Australia the new Britain? Over the last twenty years it seems all of our imported actors-or 'talent'-if you will-hail from there. I've also noticed that the Brit actors get the more 'posh' roles while the Aussies bring the 'macho'factor.
And the film industry now is so different than in the old studio days. No more parts tailored to an 'actors' strengths-now it's every man for himself for the handful of good roles and the lesser talents fight for the meager scraps. In the old studio system,Hiddles would have been seen as a Leslie Howard type-probably would have made a great Ashley Wilkes...
It will be interesting to see which of the cream will rise to the top or who will be the next Hugh Dancy-or Charles Dancy for that matter!
- I've never seen him in anything, but voted for Hemsworth because I felt bad he was at 0%.
- Didn't we fight a war to get away from these people?
- No actor, regardless of nationality, is above taking a role in big budget comic book/vampire/horror/fantasy movies.
Michael Sheen did Twilight and Underworld:Rise of the Lycans; Hugh Jackman besides X Men and Wolverine did Van Helsing (which flopped) and the list goes on.
Actors that get a few big paychecks and hits under their belt get visibility and the perks/respect that come with being a bankable commodity but they get some breathing room to pay the mortgage and be picky about their choices to take smaller roles in indie films or theatre to hone their skills and win critical acclaim.
The late great Lord Laurence Olivier disdained movies. But he took on many film roles late in his career solely for the big paycheck. He also happily "sold out" to shill for Polaroid in commercials which was a big deal back in the mid-70s. Of course, this was Olivier his reputation was cemented and it didn't matter.
R169 A bit of trivia about Leslie Howard: he was vehemently opposed to playing "such a weak and watery character as Ashley Wilkes" and only agreed to take the part after producer David O. Selznick told him he could star in and co-produce Intermezzo with Ingrid Bergman.
- R163 I know, I've osted more than once to inform people who had a hard problem understanding how to back reference a reply that all they had to do was write "R" followed by a the number without spaces or brackets. Apparently not only they don't observe, they don't even bother to ask.
- When Rupert Friend (as Peter Quinn) uttered, "Fuck me," in response to a surprising statement, well, he really made it sound like it being was being whispered to any one of us. He can be British and do that as much as he wants. Incidentally, that was last week; this week he took a shower. Those nipples can literally make you ache.
I know you read here, Rupert. Nice work indeed.
- I can see how tough it must be for British actors - "hey buddy, here's a role in a shite film but we'll pay you a few mill and it's either that or Eastenders?" Hard choice.... I'm sure most people would put aside their pride for that.
Ben Whishaw is an absolutely stunning actor. He'll continue to do well. Cumberbatch will do well. I'm not sure who else.
- Does MR B really think that by doing Coriolanus he would land a main role? This is a stage show which features theartre experienced Hadley Fraser who will no doubt out outshine Mr B in every scene? He needed to aim for westerns not a small playhouse if he wants big roles and not with more accomplished theatre actors. Stupid man and he wonders why he doesn't get the roles
- R176 How does being on stage with talentless people make you look good exactly? If anything, playing against the best can only improve your skills. Besides, who the hell will ever go to see a play with unaccomplished actors?
- Hey, the OP left off Luke Evans. He's gobbling up all the roles, but i do think he's more attractive than most of these British actors, even his side piece, Henry Cavill.
- R177 I'm not saying he's talentless but the others are more experienced superior stage actors than he is. Also Coriolanus is not a Shakspeare play that makes you say wow. If Mr B only doing this to get noticed for lead roles it's going to fail. If he's doing this because he wants to concentrate on his stage career I agree it would help him become better.
- Redmayne will get a best actor nom for playing hawking. He'll be around forever.
- I think he's doing Coriolanus for the challenge and to keep his hand in theate. I imagine he was offered a few roles on the stage but went for the prestigious (role wise) meaty role that not that many have done before him. He doesn't need the money so he's doing it to pad out his CV. I hope he does it justice. I think it'll be a good play on the strength of Hadley and Gatiss alone to be honest.
Eddie Redmaynes mouth makes me have very naughty thoughts.
- I think he's doing Coriolanus because he wasn't getting cast in any films and the RSC/West End didn't want him either. That's why it took so long to negotiate - he was holding out for better and better didn't happen.
It's going to bore the pants off those who are only going because of him. It's a slog of a play (second longest Shakespeare) and one of the least emotionally engaging. It's one for the serious theatregoer.
- Cillian Murphy is gorgeous.
- I don't agree with you about Coriolanus. It's a great play, one of my personal favorites. And very engaging. It might not be as popular as Macbeth, but it is a great role. Plus there is a partial naked scene. Give it a chance.
Donmar though. This means he was not offered West End.
I think his interest in Shakespeare is sincere but i do not see him as a major player, and I question is ability to carry this role. I think he is doing theatre now because if he doesn't, he might really lose his edge as an actor. The past three years have been too much Loki, and films such as that are really a directors art. Also I think he is still peeved about not getting a BAFTA for THC. This is the sort of role that says "look how serious I am."
- What is all this nonsense about Donmar not being West End? Yes, it's a smaller theatre, but Donmar productions have won 20 Tonys, 21 Evening Standard Awards, and 35 Oliviers. So its productions transfer to the West End all the time.
Some actors love working in the intimate space. It is one of the most high profile theatres in London and certainly not a place people go to hide, or a "second tier" theatre.
It's fine to not like TH but it makes no sense to diminish the theatre he's working at, or act like it is some evidence of his lack of star power. Go look at the actors who have worked their last decade.
- Ben Winshaw is probably the most talented of the bunch.
- Other Brit actors who deserve mentions here: Daniel Craig and Paul Bettany.
He's doing that play because he has not gotten many roles- except Pixie Hollow, a cameo in The Muppets, and a minor role in that creepy period movie (can't recall the name.)
Anyone who believes he was being picky about which great Shakespeare play to do, or that he is feeding his love for theatre with this is kidding themselves.
This must be quite a letdown after being flown around the world for three years, on Marvel's dime, in first-class accommodations, with cameras in his face, and interviews with people who are absolutely fawning over him. Maybe Luke Windsor can snag him a Women's Wear Daily pictorial to keep him relevant in 2014?
- R184 - I didn't say that *I* didn't like the play. In fact, it's one of my personal favourites, along with the also-relatively-underperformed-and-potentially-problematic Merchant of Venice. I said that it would likely be a problem for an audience that is only going to see TH get his top off. It's a good four hours long (unless they cut it to ribbons for the audience) and it lacks the personal themes of the more accessible Shakespeare plays - love, jealousy, murder, etc.
R185 - the Donmar is NOT a West End theatre. It has a good amount of kudos, yes, but it's still second tier. And, like I say, it has a long form of utilising actors with a teenybopper (that word dates me!) pull.
- R86 Boo Hoo. And americans do the same with their fellow countrymen, so somebody needs to help brits
- Clip clop clip clop... Tally ho, Ponies!
- [quote]Hey, the OP left off Luke Evans. He's gobbling up all the roles, but i do think he's more attractive than most of these British actors, even his side piece, Henry Cavill.
Luke Evans is dramatically beautiful, soulful eyes & voice, killer smile, way talented than bland ken doll Cavill. OP was just being a typical DLer.
- R189, the Donmar is eligible for West End awards like the Oliviers -- and wins. Whether or not it is "technically" West End is irrelevant. Is the Royal Court second tier? The National? Something is not "second tier" because it is not at a theatre like Phantom of the Opera is playing at.
As to your assertion that the Donmar utilizes "teenyboppers" -- Branagh, Dench, Derek Jacobi, Ian McKellan... they hire GOOD actors. God forbid a handful of them be young.
- Disagree about Coriolanus. It does have those major themes (including a highly Oedipal mother relationship) and is a lot more accessible than people imagine. If they tie it in with current political events (which it seems like they are doing) people will get into it. This is an excellent role to take on, and the rest of the cast is strong, and the director will make the difference. I just have my doubts about TH's acting chops for this role. He has been way oversold in the media.
Yes, Donmar plays to the fangirl crowd in order to make sure they sell out in advance. This doesn't mean it is second rate. It just means it's a small theatre, not west end, and selling all tickets at a high price is the business plan. They have done some fine shows, but the fangirl factor is very important to them.
- R193 - yes, but you need to look at what else those actors have done. Many actors like a small space or a hipster production. But if it's ALL you can get, it's a problem.
You can think what you like, but I think it's naive to believe that this production isn't something TH is doing because he couldn't get better. And by better, I don't mean higher quality; I mean better for his career ambitions.
- R194, can you please explain the "fangirl factor" at the Donmar with actual facts? What are five productions in the last ten years designed to appeal to "fangirls"?
My, we are defensive today.
It's not just tumblr-type fan pandering. Although the Ewan Macgregor Othello springs to mind. That's when they started it. And he was AWFUL.
The Donmar likes to appeal to a non-theatre audience. For example, their other big production this season stars a girl from Call The Midwife, a hit UK TV show.
This is their USP. No amount of bigging up TH's casting will make this untrue.
- Donmar is a good theatre but it is not National or Royal Court. I don't think anyone here is using Phantom of the Opera as their frame of reference.
The teenybopper crowd refers to the audience, not the actors. This is entirely about ticket sales. Tickets sold out very fast, largely due to fangirls who were buying them in bulk so that they can see TH with his shirt off and maybe get a selfie at the stage door.
Overall I would say this is a perfectly worthy part for him to take and it should be a good show. He needs to hit it out of the park though and be BAFTA quality, and I just don't see that in him. He'll chew the scenery plenty though. His only role after this is the supporting role in Crimson Peak, and he has nothing coming out film wise in 2014.
[quote]Luke Evans is dramatically beautiful, soulful eyes & voice, killer smile, way talented than bland ken doll Cavill. OP was just being a typical DLer. [quote]
Actually DL only allows 10 choices in the poll which was not designed to be exclusively Brits. Plus, OP had a mental lapse -- forgot about Luke Evans. ITA, he's way more talented and handsome than Cavill.
- Why does that list have to be so long? To many actors, to many films.
- Oh surprise another anti British, Australian,anyone but American thread masquerading as a serious question.
"Oh why oh why are we dominated by the colonies when we have so much talent in our own country?"
Well this is nothing new.People have been asking this since they hired Vivien Leigh for Scarlett and earlier.
Several reasons.Hollywood prides itself on being international.It isn't really but it's films are exported to the four corners of the world,so it's films dominate most markets.
American actors,tend to be stars rather than actors as such. I am grossly exagerating this point,as there are many fine American actors out there. But you read columns and it is all about being A list ,not dropping to B etc.
One of the reasons that there are fewer openly gay actors in Hollywood is this star thing. As your lowest common demoninater is 12 year old girl lusting over you in Iowa and you have been built up by a Studio who feeds your ego but not your talent. You have little to fall back on if you fail.
British ,and I use that term loosely as I mean anyone outside of the US who speaks English, as that is really what OP is talking about as several actors mentioned aren't British at all, can act and don't mind character acting and can go back to their countries and act in tv or theatre ,then go back to film.
A star will not go back and forth.How much you made in a film on an opening weekend shows how much talent you have.The higher you rise,the more people behind you are willing to take your place should you make a false move..The less likely you are to have a Gay star
- "One of the reasons that there are fewer openly gay actors in Hollywood is this star thing. As your lowest common demoninater is 12 year old girl lusting over you in Iowa and you have been built up by a Studio who feeds your ego but not your talent. You have little to fall back on if you fail."
Unfortunately, many foreign actors are willing to play the game like Luke Evans who magically de-gayed himself when he started getting high profile roles in Hollywood. (God bless Ben Whishaw for not getting a "girlfriend" when he started to get roles)
- 2008 reviews for his Cassio in Othello Donmar were very good. let's see how it goes with Coriolanus
- R201, if you want to be more specific, it's *white* guys with different (English-speaking) accents. There's nothing really "international" about Hollywood except as you point out, the 'exporting of films' part.
- Hysterical Crave Online review of Thor 2 which perfectly encapsulates Hiddleston's current situation. He's gained celebrity and is getting pretty good reviews for playing a cartoon/comic book Marvel villain but playing Loki hasn't won him roles in critical mainstream films. The review is funny though.
[quote]I would also like someone to explain the appeal of Loki to me. Seriously, I encourage comments below. Loki has become something of a fan darling, and it can't just be because of the actor playing him. To be fair, Tom Hiddleston is a delicious actor who bites into the role with energy and enthusiasm. He's a pretty face and a talented man, and it's hard not to watch him when he's on screen. But Loki, as a character, is a constant turncoat, whose true plans can never be discerned not because he's tricky or calculating, but because he doesn't even seem to know what he's doing in any given situation. His only goal seems to be to keep characters on their toes for no reason, all by doing whatever occurs to him in the moment. This guy is one goofy cackle and three pop culture references away from being Mr. Mxyzptlk.[quote]
- Primetime must be over. As soon as these stan threads get bumped to the top displacing all the gay threads you know that the cheap fraus can finally post again.
- R4 Posh, to most people, just means someone "well-spoken" without a noticeable regional accent, making them appear to be from a well-to-do background. It doesn't mean they really have to be from an upper-middle-class or upper class background (few people are genuinely upper class because that really means aristocracy) Alan Rickman for example came from a working class background.
Although nowadays actors are encouraged to keep their natural accents so it's probably easier to detect how "posh" they are.
- How did Alexander Skarsgaard get on the poll in the OP? Everyone knows who his dad is, and has he even played a Brit? I've only seen him play Americans.
Oh surprise another anti British, Australian,anyone but American thread masquerading as a serious question. "Oh why oh why are we dominated by the colonies when we have so much talent in our own country?"
The colonies??? That's America and Australia was to Britain.
- R208 The poll was separate from the title of the thread. It includes some currently popular non-American actors. I was not just Brits. Unfortunately, DL only lets me include 10 choices. Apologies for the confusion. Next time I'm making a poll I'll know better.
- Why is MR B trying to make the crimson peak part sound bigger than it already is? Loki dies in the next film Anyway
- R206, you really amuse me. Every time you come on here to say FRAU I think of Frau Shrader from the Sound of Music-- who actually is rather hot! In fact she is the only character in that godawful film who has the whiff of real sexuality about her.
So next time you call us Fraus, I will flaunt my gold lame covered tits at you and reply "Show me your schnitzel, dahhling."
Don't like it? Well cut it with the SEXIST CRAP, and maybe I will take you seriously. You have to earn that.
R205, Loki in the Marvel comic universe is about as cardboard as they come, the usual villain without a real motive. In Norse myth, he is a lot more interesting and nuanced. Marvel and TH try to make more of him by playing the tired daddy issues card, which is helpful to the MArvel version, but hopelessly reductive to the Norse myth version.
People like him and identify with him because he is presented as the brainy and inventive outsider that so many sad people want to believe themselves to be. He is a "Mary Sue" wet dream. This is precisely why Loki fandom annoys me.
TH has a lot of promise, but he has not done anything approaching a serious role in three years. Loki is a 2-D comic book character, and the scripts are atrocious. OLLA sounds like a comic role playing on a trope. The muppet and pixie hollow movies do not count as acting in my opinion. Most of his time has been spent walking red carpets, kissing ass, and acting like a trained seal for the Marvel PTB.
Coriolanus is a huge leap for him to make given his experience, and I think it is really obvious that he was cast mainly for his popularity with fans.
- R212 Yep, and after Loki, the red carpet appearances and endless interviews his Coriolanus had better be good or he's going to be devoured by the critics. And that will make it even more difficult for him to get roles in mainstream movies.
- Has anyone else noticed that TH has been changing his very, very posh accent in recent interviews to sound a bit grittier? That on top of his now automatic rattling on about his father's working class roots indicates to me that "posh" is actually getting in the way of his being cast. So far almost everything he has done has been a variation on posh.
Regarding Cassio, it hasn't escaped my notice that TH to some extent IS Cassio, right down to having issues with the trollop girlfriend and his panic over how others perceive him. "Reputation, reputation, reputation! Oh, I have lost my reputation! I have lost the immortal part of myself, and what remains is bestial." (Clearly Othello would have turned out differently if Cassio had employed Luke Windsor!)
Let's hope that he is not also have a poor and unhappy brain for drinking.
- R211 this interview?
(here he looked a bit tired of the tumblr question)
or this one
From what I remember reading of the plot, Mia Wasikowska and Charlie Hunnam find themselves in haunted house and, given they did life plaster casts of them, Jessica Chastain and TH play the haunting presences. So maybe his part, while being a supporting role, isn't minuscule.
- Also I found this interview funny.
- Mother of God, when will this Hiddleston thing end?
- I would not assume that his supporting role in Crimson Peak is minor. Supporting actors are very important. If this is going to be the Brontesque gothic romantic horror story that is being talked up, the ghostly presences could be pretty awesome.
It is a supporting role though. On the other hand, it is also Del Toro, and not a low budget indie. TH is very lucky to get BC's sloppy seconds.
- R214 I don get the trollop girlfriend. According to him he is single and the only one in his relationships being 'loose' is him. As for his accent and background change its yet another example of him living up to being called Mr B aka Mr bullshit. He only ever says what he thinks you want to hear but not what he really thinks. If an interview would give him better prospects He will also change.
The only way he would gain all respect is if he told the truth and be himself.
- Forgot to mention that ive read an interview where TH is being the ultimate MR B. why the fuck is he now claiming that he suggested Loki's storyline in Thor 2! I know actors give a bit if input but he really does take the piss sometimes
- I don't think is a bad guy, but he talks too much, he has to say a lot of bullshit to keep talking
- Only Lovers Left Alive sounds like an outrageously arrogant holier than thou pseudo-intellectual vanity project with the constant namedropping, and fucking emo vampires.. I don't understand why anyone would think this was a good idea. No wonder Jim Jarmusch & Tilda Swinton couldn't find funding for years it's like a Tom Hiddleston fanfiction where "Ben" comes over for tea. I know what this sounds like but I just couldn't keep it in any longer.
- This is just another fraucunt fangurl thread. Gee, what a surprise.
We hate you, we really really hate you.
- We got it the first time Luke.
- Before you go Luke, tell Mr B we can see straight through him and it won't be long before the stans do too
- For heavens sake, what is with this silly pointless hatred? Just who pissed in your wheaties, sweetheart?
I get it that TH comes across as an ass-kissing company man. I get it that he isn't the great talent his fans think he is. I also get it that his fans are as annoying as a crap and that he weilds privilege in a way that makes you want to shake him.
But this kind of hatred just makes you sound hormonal. Please save the bile for people who have actually done hideous things. Perhaps Roman Polanski. So far as I can see TH is innocuous. If he were just a little less ubiquitous I would probably like him just fine.
- This kind of hatred is hateful and misogynistic. No one here deserves this regardless of whether they are a Hiddleston fan or critic.
- It should be possible to criticize an actor in a rational way without all the spewing. Just saying.
And R223? You have serious mommy issues.
- WTF is R174 talking about?
- May I request a new Hiddleston thread? Since this one has gone OT and trolled out.
- If you're going to start another fucking Hiddleston thread, at least put it in the title so the rest of us know to avoid it.
- It has totally trolled out, but does not need to stay that way.
- Obviously, there's no way of knowing who will last up there, but the fans are often a good indicator.
If fans mainly focus/talk about looks and personality (Hiddleston, Cavill, Helmsworth etc.), it's iffy and interest often doesn't hold.
Actors whose talent seems to be the primary initial draw going by fans (Hardy, Whislaw, Fassbender, Cumberbatch, etc.) stand a better chance.
- [quote]If fans mainly focus/talk about looks and personality (Hiddleston, Cavill, Helmsworth etc.), it's iffy and interest often doesn't hold.
With Cavill and Hemsworth, most of the compliments they get -in regards to their movies- are usually about how they look. The "acting" part is only considered good by those who are clearly c-struck.
- I don't think it's hatred but more of a pissed off at TH vibe. He's a frustrating sort of person because he's a good man but makes the stupidest descions when we all know he doesn't need to.
He needs guidance and a ego deboost as well.
- R229 I didn't get what R174 was on about either but it made me laugh
- In the meantime another Loki'd happened.
- And the promo for Coriolanus started.
- R237 according to the fangurls it's not as good as the last one and it seems 'put on' and this is from the tumblr and twitter crowd. As predicted they are getting bored.
R238 there must be 2 TH. one that likes to be one of the common people and talks in a less posh accent about his families working background and the other who fannies around at posh lovelie bashes and talks Shakespeare.
Btw this is not hatred just an observation
- R239 I found this Loki'd less funny too, it seems to me like something that should have happened only once. Hopefully nobody will start another "Project Wendy".
- R226: This. Absolutely this.
And Loki'd 2 was just weird. Not funny at all.
- Looks like CH is winning the fangirls this time round. There seems to be more of them popping up everywhere .
Don't you have somewhere else to be?
You sound masochistic by constantly wandering in and reading threads you hate.
Do you need a puppy, a relaxation ball?
So, after four months of having Loki shoved down our throats on a daily basis- he's now gonna be all about Shakespeare again?
His grind is exhausting. Anything to stay relevant, I guess. Gotta have all the attention. Whatever will he do when his stans grow up and discover that real people exist, not just Tumblr blogs?
- I'm amazed his stans have lasted so long. Hopefully the Loki thing is over and everyone will calm down. Someone new will come along, they always do.
- R242 or CH little brother, given the crowd The Hunger Games premières are getting.
- The Hiddleston hate is weird.
- So is the obsessive delusional stanlove.
- Weirdest of all are the losers who claim not to be stans obsessively following his every move.
- R246 it's been suggested by marvel fans that CH's little brother could take over as Loki in Thor 3. It makes sense plus hunger games trilogy would be finished by then. I quite like the idea of CH v LH and LH is far less irritating than TH.
- R249 Many of us are fans of his work but not his behaviour . Mr B and crazy stans is like a soap opera that keeps on giving
- R250 Really? But how would that work? (consider I know nothing of the comic and haven't seen Thor2 yet, only read the spoilers)
- R250 apart from the fact that the kid is not capable to act... He strikes me as the female version of mono-expressive Kristen Stewart
- R251: Hear, hear.
R250: It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Switching actors where the original has been shilling hard throughout the world and is very well known (for being Loki, not necessarily himself) would be odd at best, downright crazy at worst. He's too recognisable.
- It's alive!
- Mr BS is back!
- People who live in big cities couldn't care less about British actors - they hear accents from all over the world all the time and it's no big deal. It's the fraus in middle America and small towns who have never really travelled that fall for the British accent shit and think it's so "charming". So Hollywood keeps putting these douchebags in movies for that.
- Who/what is CB?
- [quote]Nobody will be attaining that status, whether brit or otherwise. See the earlier discussion upthread about the terrible lack of talented up-and-coming American young actors...the days of finding a new Pitt, Clooney etc are over.
The A-list does exist. Pitt, Clooney, Cruise, Smith, DiCaprio ... these are undisputed A-listers despite their flops. And of these, only DiCaprio has some acting ability. But I agree the Brits can't become anything more than B-list. I still remember when they were trying to make the very mediocre Ewan McGregor happen. But they'll all go the way of Jude Law and Colin Farrell.
- I can't see any of my fellow countrymen becoming star-type A list either. I think the best a Brit can hope for is Gary Oldman status.
As a Brit, I find the British pretty-boy, desperately-seeking A list status actors cringeworthy. They pretend to trade on their "classiness" but in reality, they'd do or be anything to get the big bucks.
- Americans seem fascinated by the Brits - I'm not sure why. But British t.v. shows & movies are all over American television, and there are hundreds of Brits working in Hollywood.
I think it's the training. You guys only get our classically/traditionally trained actors.
In the UK, there are two types/levels of training - classical/traditional RADA, LAMDA to quality TV and theatre, or stage school to soaps and procedurals. You don't really see any of the latter and my guess would be that is because you have plenty of stage school trainees yourself, but less in the way of RADA type graduates. And of course, our poshies all go the former route. No posh Brit parent would send their kids to one of those nasty low rent stage schools.
Could that be it?
- [quote]I think it's the training. You guys only get our classically/traditionally trained actors.
Bullshit. Robert Pattinson, Henry Cavill, and Gerard Butler are all piece of shit actors. That myth about all Brit actors being classically trained is so out-of-date. They're just like American actors - some are, some aren't.
I'm not saying ALL. I'm just saying that there are two routes into acting in the UK and the Brits that make it stateside generally come from only one of them. I can't disagree that Cavill couldn't act his way out of a paper bag, but truly, you don't see our actual dross. Presumably, you have enough of your own for ours to get anywhere near a look in.
- Honestly I think part of it is some kind of inferiority complex on the part of the US industry. They automatically think British actors = talent because so much of success in British television/film/theatre isn't measured in the same blockbuster dollars terms. So somehow they assume British = class and credibility, too.
- Do we have a new TH thread?
- R266 if only there was gossip
- A news could be that he's finally changed his clothes
- I've been reading on other sites that one of the common practices is for young British t.v. actors to come to LA in the Spring during pilot season to look for work. Some of the ones who have dreams of stardom and are think they are too good for the UK try to make it in Hollywood rather than having to work away back home, but many of them find it hard to break in.
- After watching Homeland, I started reading up on Damian Lewis. I think he's a wonderful actor and he mainly plays Americans so the British accent doesn't come into play. However, I read an article where he states how hard it is being away from his kids. Yet, based on his roles, he seems hungry to stay in the Hollywood mainstream, so I'm not buying the family first. His wife seems to be content with sticking with the UK industry.
Jim Sturgess is another one that was supposed to be the next big British movie star.
- Perhaps it will reach a limit though or a saturation point where there are too many young British actors competing for the same roles in America. For example, British actor Bradley James who used to star on 'Merlin' has not been able to get any work over the past year despite spending several months in LA during pilot season.
- R371 probably because Bradley James is a shit actor. Honestly I used to cringe at Merlin.
Ben Whishaw, Tom Hardy and Benedict Cumberbatch are the ones with the talent.
Having Ben Whishaw and Tom Hiddlestonin the same thing just showed up how much a one trick pony Tom is.
- At this point, Hiddleston main rivals in the US aren't Fassbender, Cumberbatch etc, but Tom Mison. Mison could have easily play all the roles Hiddleston had so far.
R266 There won't be a TH thread anymore, as soon as one will appear it'll get shut down, courtesy of the nuts in the latest threads.
- Has anyone actually done stats on this? The majority of actors in Hollywood productions are still American, no?
- R274, I'm pretty sure the majority of actors in American productions are still American, yes. It's not as if the Brits have completely taken over - there are just quite a few of them.
- I cast my vote for Henry Cavill. But I really would have preferred to cast my vote for Tom Cullen. I fell in lust with him when I saw "Weekend". I'm looking forward to seeing him all dressed up for Downton Abbey.
- R266, did someone just rip a giant fart in this thread?
Bringing up TH pretty much is that on DL.
Someone open a window, fast! Ahhh, look, Ben Whishaw!
- R266 and R267, There is no TH thread and I hope there never will be again. In fact, I think some desperate stan who is not a paying member of the DL community bumped this thread in order to get a discussion of him started up here again. Paying members of DL do not want to start a thread on him again because all it does is bring over hordes of overinvested nutjobs. They have plenty of other places to obsess over him online. We don't want it here.
Now back on topic. I agree with R265. For some reason, there seems to be this perception in the US that everything and everyone British automatically confers a certain degree of class and respectability. I like to call it Downton Abbey Syndrome although it was bad prior to that too.
- I wonder if people were bitching via letters to the 30s fan mags about David Niven and Errol Flynn stealing roles from American actors.
- [quote]probably because Bradley James is a shit actor. Honestly I used to cringe at Merlin.
He was okay sometimes, but you're right that he was lucky to get the role on that show. He had virtually no experience beforehand, and hasn't received the awards and accolades that Colin Morgan has.
He hasn't done any work in a year.
- Rob Kazinsky from True Blood. Everything I want in an actor.
- Julian Morris has broken into the American acting world very successfully.
- I too agree that part of the attraction is the accent. But aside from that, the British actors do seem more hardworking and some of them alluded to the fact that they are "cheaper" to hire than the Americans.
The sudden influx could be due to the lack of young American actors these days I'm afraid, and more talents coming from across the globe, i.e. in Europe.
I personally do like the British men, and admit that I'm a sucker for the posh accent. I love English literature, writing and words in general. So yes I am superficial for loving how English words sound when read in a British posh accent.
- One of the truest moments in The Office was when Nellie Betram bumped Andy from his job. Brits just skate by on their accents in front of overly impressed Americans.
[italic]I grew up poor. I had little formal education, no real skills. I don’t work especially hard, and most of my ideas are either unoriginal or total crap. And yet, I walked right into a job for which I was ill-prepared, ill-suited and somebody else already had and I got it.If you ask me, that’s the American dream, right there.
Nellie Betram [/italic]
This is so true. You can add the annoying Piers Morgan and super-irritant Louis Theroux to those who get away with a lot because of their accent. Louis, especially, would have had his ass kicked by some of his interviewees by now.
I think the same applies to British actors. People are willing to look past so much including mediocrity just because of their accents. Jude Law, Ewan Macgregor, Russell Brand all got chance after chance as the machine tried to make them superstars.
- R284, and ironically enough, Tate is actually a very talented actress/comedienne who deserves her success.
It seems it's more of the Brits males who can get away with mediocrity - more so than then the women.
However, I don't think I can agree with you when it comes to Jude Law in that he clearly got his break because of his looks.
Cavill is Jude Law 2.0
- I'd never saw or heard of Damian Lewis before Homeland ( I totally missed Band of Brothers).
Wow! What a revelation he was in terms of his stellar acting. His American accent was so authentic that I was shocked to learn he was British. RIP Nicholas Brody; I know the character had to go; the Homeland showrunners had exhausted every option for his character except for his demise. Still, I'll miss Damian Lewis, Homeland won't be the same without him. And I'll be watching for DL's next project.
I've also noticed that British and Australian actors (e.g. Ryan Kwanten) generally do a much better job with American accents, than American actors do with British, Scottish and Australian accents and Irish brogues. Tom Cruise's Irish brogue in Far and Away was seriously pathetic.
- R286, Check out the first season or two of LIFE, Damian Lewis' other US series. Lots of fun and very hot.
And his character in Band of Brothers was spectacular. Much more demanding viewing than LIFE, of course, but well worth your time.
- R287 Thanks for the tip about DL in Life. I'll look it up and see when it might be on my cable schedule or maybe rent it on VOD or NetFlix.
It's interesting that Lewis is a late bloomer. He's just hitting his stride and getting a lot of recognition in the last few years as he hit 40.
It's also interesting that his next project is the Werner Herzog film "Queen of the Desert" with Nicole Kidman, James Franco and Robert Pattinson. Filming starts in Morocco in the next week or so. I wonder how Franco and Pattinson will be faring in their careers when they're 40.
- I doubt Pattinson's career will be going anywhere by the time he is 40. Not sure about Franco.
- [quote]Cavill is Jude Law 2.0
That's unfair. Jude Law actually has some talent.
- r281 Kazinsky? Did you not see him push out a stinking pile of shit in Pacific Rim? Or be THE WORST on True Blood? Horrible HORRIBLE actor.
- [quote]Jude Law actually has some talent.
Not to mention a couple of Oscar nominations - something Cavill is unlikely to receive.
- And r286 American accents are FAR easier to imitate than English/Australian ones. It has to do with flattening and rounding vowels.
- Also, Jude has turned into a really interesting character actor as his looks have faded. Something Cavill will never achieve.
- [quote]It's also interesting that his next project is the Werner Herzog film "Queen of the Desert" with Nicole Kidman, James Franco and Robert Pattinson. Filming starts in Morocco in the next week or so. I wonder how Franco and Pattinson will be faring in their careers when they're 40.
Pattinson won't have a career at 40. In fact, I wonder if totally botching the role of T.E. Lawrence will put the final nail in the coffin?
- Jonny Lee Miller has also been doing well for himself on stage, screen and TV. He's been working steadily in all three mediums in the UK and here in the US -- most recently in the US TV series "Elementary" as Sherlock Holmes with Lucy Liu as Watson.
One indication of his success is that hardly anyone mentions (or maybe they don't remember) that he was married to Angelina Jolie for a quick minute back in the mid-to-late 90s.
- Damn are we ever going to get a new Hiddleston thread? I think all of the crazies have left now.
- R297 The crazies could be lurking just waiting to pounce when a new Hiddleston thread appears. What's new about TH at this point?
He's doing Coriolanus, getting good reviews and the drama at the stage door appears to have calmed down. The only new thing coming up is the NTLive filming on January 30th and then he starts filming Crimson Peak in February.
No real gossip
- I can make one if a new TH thread is wanted.
- R296, no one talks about Jonny Lee Miller at all - he has been forgotten.
- A new TH thread would be great.
- How about this for a thread title: TH - like him or loathe him, we're all still talking about him.....
- How about "Tom Hiddleton: He's no Colton Haynes, but..." as a thread title?
- R302 I back this title
- ok here we go
- Closed,damn! boring boring people
- So who does everyone think will be the next big 20 or 30 something actor?
maybe people keep flagging every TH thread. coming into the TH threads complaining that he has a thread and that all the people in the thread are just sad fan girls from other sites. no true. I'm sure there are some fan girl but how would they know
NO one asked them to come into any TH related threads. no one forces anyone to read every thread.
maybe I should start up another one and call it Tom Hiddleston Gossip. who cares if it's been said before in another thread keep it coming here. if you don't want to read about TH don't click here.
- Unless you talk about the hot man on man action Hiddleston may be grabbing on the downlow, people at this site really don't want to subsidize your insane fangrrl forum.
- not every thread on here is about gay men. do you all just wish he was and mad that he might not be.
I don't know why there's so much hate for the TH threads.
- I think this will be the year when a good portion of TH fangirls will jump ship for greener pastures since TH is pulling away from his fanbase and is not as accessible as he once was. This Coriolanus debolicle I think has changed his attitude about a lot of things. So a lot of the fickle fangirls will become pissed at him for it which is already starting to happen.
- People hate these threads because they attract all kinds of fangirl batshittery, almost entirely from people who otherwise don't give a damn about DL or participate in the community in any meaningful way.
It's a community, people. A COMMUNITY. It is not Tumblr where you can block things you don't like or choose things you do like and everything is about you and your obsessions. A community offers something different.
I think a lot of DLers feel that Tumblr has created a kind of fan who really can't fathom how her actions affect others: infantile narcissists who feel entitled to do whatever they want no matter how much its shits upon others.
The message is clear: take your heterosexual privilege and your sexual obsessions elsewhere because the mods will always shut these disruptive threads down.
- Amen R308. Exactly what I was thinking. What's it to them that there is a TH thread? No one makes them come into them and read it, spilling their annoyance.
- TH is massively overrated given his actual accomplishments, and way overexposed. When this kind of thing happens, backlash is inevitable.
It's like any economic bubble. The bubble inflates and inflates way past what is reasonable, until it bursts. He is doing okay as Coriolanus, but since the bubble puffery in his case is due entirely to Loki, and since no more Loki is on the immediate horizon, you can expect the fandom's regard for him to plummet at some point back down to a more realistic level.
The fact that he is pulling away from the fandom to me indicates that he knows this.
- "spilling their annoyance" = "spilling the tea" = reflection of fangrrl love of Bravo reality programs
- R313 You can just not go into threads you don't want to read about. It's the equivalent of blocking things you don't want to read about.
- You really don't get it do you? This is a community, not just part of your goddamned Tumblr. It is not everyone else's job to ignore you, it is YOUR job to be courteous. What part of this is just not sinking into your skull?
Do you walk into other people's houses tracking mud after they asked you not to? Do you light up cigarettes when the sign says no smoking? Do you let farts rip and then tell everyone else to just ignore it? Can you just TRY to understand why your approach here is not working?
How many people have to come in to tell you how rude you are being and how many threads have to be blocked by moderators before you GET IT that your habit of hijacking threads and turning them into your Hiddleston psycho-gush is in fact disruptive and rude and that you are not welcome?
Communities have rules
- Dammit, this is NOT going to turn into yet another thread about Hiddleston. How fucking desperate are you wackjob stans that you have to keep coming here and doing this???
It is not just a question of skipping over a thread we don't like. It's that WE DO NOT WANT YOU HERE What part of that do you not understand?
You have a zillion other places online to talk about him. Why the fucking hell do you insist on bringing it here and then bumping threads like this when the other TH threads get closed? GO. SOMEWHERE. ELSE
DL paying members, please let these idiots know that they are not welcome here.
- why does everything has to be compared to tumblr?
Tumblr is not the only place that TH is discussed. and to be honest most of the time the only place I tend to see a lot of TH talk is here(I visit a lot of gossip blog,sites,boards, threads. I like celeb gossip)Like the whole girl filming TH in the store with a woman was talked about here more then any other place I saw, even tumblr. yes this is a community just like every other board, site, thread out there that allows people to speak/post about whatever they want. yes even Tumblr is a community. no one is ever rude until someone comes in and saying rude things just cause they are talking about something that you don't care for.
as for hijacking threads that only seems to happen when a has been blocked and someone goes and find the last thread that Th was mentioned that hasn't been used in a while, sometimes months and the decide to finish the conversion there until it runs out. This time around there was a TH thread and Th was discussed. yeah the topic was about him winning an oscar for the Tinkerbell movie,I hope the op was not being serious with that question. we all know there is no way with that movie. so why let the thread die? people can talk about what they want. I didn't know talking about TH in the TH thread was a bad thing. so if you see a TH thread stay out. There was a Hiddleston thread leave, read another thread if TH isn't your cup of tea.
Add again how do you know who is doing all the talking? they can be fangirls, DL regulars,DL paying member or not, gay, straight, male, female, you don't know and there's no way of telling who is who.
Bunch of Bitter Bitches complaining when there is nothing to complain about.
- R320, please leave. Go back to Tumblr. Find somewhere else to indulge in your Tommy obsession. NOT HERE.
- Whishaw Redmayne & Cumberbatch are magnetic on screen. I don't understand Fassbander. Clearly he's hot and he reminds me of Olivier a lot (looks-wise) but other than that I don't understand why he's such a big deal.
- [quote]Bunch of Bitter Bitches complaining when there is nothing to complain about.
So you're going to invade a community that has existed for over a decade, hijack threads created by paying members of that cummunity, behave in a way that is frowned upon by the community, and then call the community members a "Bunch of Bitter Bitches" when you get called out on your execrable and entitled behavior?
Seriously, just fuck off. Take your entitlement and your childish obsessions and just fuck right off you vile cunts.
- I think I'm going to make a new TH thread. any name suggestions
- R322 Speaking only for myself, I think Fassbender is one of the best actors of his generation. He's got a lot of range, takes different types of roles: the robot David in Prometheus, Magneto in X-Men, Lord Rochford in Jane Eyre, the sex addict in Shameless and the sadistic plantation owner in 12 Years a Slave. He always gives very edgy and intense performances. I equate Fassbender to this generation's Daniel Day-Lewis. He's also hot. And I love the Irish brogue.
Cumberbatch's appeal escapes me. But I give BC big props for constantly working. I think he's been the busiest actor in his age group over the past two years. He seems to crop up in everything from stage, screen and television. So good for him.
- R324 Tom Hiddleston: The reason for DL's wrinkles
- Anyone else think BC looks like a chipmunk? What IS the attraction?
- R327 I've seen Cumberbatch's looks compared to everything from a lizard to an alien, LOL!
He's not my cup of tea but there are tons of so-called Cumberbitches who are mad for him. To each his/her own..
- [quote]I think I'm going to make a new TH thread. any name suggestions
Just call it "WEBMASTER, PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD" and cut out the middleman, you vacuous [bold][italic]cunt.
- My main attraction to BC is his voice. I have a real thing for voices.
- Yes there are other places to discuss TH but unless what you discuss is only showing him in a positive light , you can't really be free in what you discuss. If a person says just one slightly negative thing about him they get all kinds of hate and venom from the rabid fans who mostly see TH as a perfect deity. At least here you are more free to discuss his faults without that happening so much.
- R331 I've been through lots of TH threads, and I've have seen very few people talking of him like he's a perfect prince. Most discussions have actually been pretty tame save for jerks who come in to spew hate about people talking about him on DL.
[quote]Yes there are other places to discuss TH but unless what you discuss is only showing him in a positive light , you can't really be free in what you discuss. If a person says just one slightly negative thing about him they get all kinds of hate and venom from the rabid fans who mostly see TH as a perfect deity. At least here you are more free to discuss his faults without that happening so much.
So you're saying that you've been to other communities, ignored the prevailing cultural norms there, been run off, so now it's Datalounge's turn??
Just how blind and stupid do you have to be to invade multiple places that you're obviously not wanted and then cry about how mean the regs are?
It's simple. Stop trying to inflict your own norms on pre-existing cultures. Either find a place peopled with users who feel and act the same way as you or create your own space.
I cannot get over your entitlement and willful [italic][bold]ignorance.
- "So you're saying that you've been to other communities, ignored the prevailing cultural norms there, been run off, so now it's Datalounge's turn??"
Nope never said that. You are just making an assumption. Please learn comprehension skills.
- R333 I didn't know there was a such thing as "TH The Perfect Prince" being considered a cultural norm.
Overly sensitive much.
Like I said: Willful ignorance. There is no hope of reasoning with such obvious stupidity and so DL will just do what DL always does - continue to close threads until you get a fucking clue.
It's the Prancing Ponies all over again. And where are those cunts [bold][italic]now?
- Nothing to see here people, move along.
R328 - I can never decide what to make of his looks (it seems to vary depending on what I see him in :O) but it sure makes him stand out... first thing I ever saw him in was Amazing Grace, and I couldn't get over the cheekbones. Couldn't remember the name, could remember the cheekbones. Made me look him up on IMDb the next time I saw him. Guess it does tend to work to his advantage! I don't really find him attractive but I do like his work.
- Can we pleaseeeeee CLOSE TAGS?!
- Which british actors are really considered "posh"?
- Sorry only posting to try to close [/italic] tag...
- DL mods...PLEASE close this thread before it becomes yet another Hiddleston insanity clusterfuck. People who are not members of this community come here out of desperation and resurrect old threads with any possible connection to their obsession because no paying member with any sense will start a thread about him that just invites in the crazy stans. For God's sake we already have enough nuts who ARE paying members. We don't need creepy freepers crawling over here too now.
- R341 There are some who like to participate in actual discussion. I didn't know that was against the rules.
- My lord. Why doesn't somebody create one Hiddleston thread and just keep all that shit locked up on one thread.
Seems like the problem would be solved.
- R343 People have tried, but jerks keep flagging them to get them closed down rather than just ignoring them.
(British) typical of or intended for the upper classes
So, who is considered part of the upper class in Britain?
- Eddie Redmayne, Tom Hiddleston, Benedict Cumberbatch, Robert Pattinson, Tom Sturridge all grew up rich.
Redmayne and Hiddleston went to Eton.
- [italic]r342, There have been countless Hiddleston threads and the one thing you stupid cunts have shown beyond shadow of a doubt is that you lot are INCAPABLE of participating in an actual discussion.
Now FUCK OFF
- R347 I think you have just shown that you are the one who cannot participate in an actual discussion, hence your hostile name calling and ignorant assumptions.
Now go along little doggie.
- R346 Isn't there There is debate about Cumberbatch? I know he went to Harrow, but it was on scholarship?
Granted, I don't know much about the British class or schooling system.
- R349 His grandmother also paid for part of his tuition. His parents are actors, but smaller tv roles over the years plus theatre roles that don't pay all that much. I doubt he struggled, but I'd say rich is much.
- r348, I know you are but what am I?
God, you tedious, tedious fraus.
- R351 How intelligent.
- R342, you have a million other places to discuss the object of your obsession on the internet. We don't want it here. Pretty simple.
And when it comes to Hiddleston, the freeper stans who glom onto any thread here where his name is even mentioned, have shown themselves to be completely incapable of doing anything other than indulging in wild speculation, rehashing old gossip, and talking about what goes on on Tumblr.
Those of us who don't want you here will hound you as relentlessly as we have to until you get it into your crazy obsessed heads. WE DO NOT WANT YOU HERE.
- R353 You realize that when you saw we you mean you plus maybe 3 other people cause most of DL knows how to ignore threads they don't want to read.
You'll never get a homogenous answer on class from Brits!
Upper class = aristocracy, gentry, or those who have been in the top social stratum for several generations at least. No new money here, thank you.
Posh - relative term. Money helpful, but cultural capital probably more so. You could be posh in terms of your immediate peers and simultaneously not posh in terms of the country as a whole.
- R351 please... read the help section... learn how to close your damn tags!!!
- [/bold][/italic]You must be the stupidest gash here, r356, and that's saying something,[bold][italic]twat!
- [/bold] [/italic]Oh please. Do try to at least come up with something resembling wit.
- R353 I am not a freeper. Don't try toact like other DL threads do not speculate or just rehash old gossip because I know that they do. Please come up with a better argument.
- After you, r358[bold][italic].
- Why everything always turns into a Hiddleston's thread? His threads amuse me but now people just reharsh old news and bitch against each other.
The surprising thing is the lack of Cumbernews. No one spotted him on twitter or anywhere since days. I worry, he must really be on holidays. How strange and shocking...
- Thanks R355.
I am an American, so the whole thing doesn't register to me and was going by a dictionary definition.
Anyway. To put into some sort of understandable perspective, into "American" terms... What comes to mind what I saw in the movie Titanic? (Very poor and non-cultured example, but an example nonetheless.)
- Why my mesage is in italic?
- R355 Does it also have something to do with family name?
- R361 As much as he has done BC needs a holiday.
- R363 ?? Some idiot hasn't read the help section and didn't close the tags.
Thank god this thread is getting back OT.
R364 Sometimes, double- barrelled names are a giveaway (Anstruther-Gough-Calthorpe for example). Public school educated (ie private school particularly the top ones) and upbringing/family background.
- [/bold][/italic]r363, when posts are bolded it means they have been reported to the webmaster for deletion. When they are bolded AND italicized it means you are on your second warning. Please take the time to familiarize yourself with The Rules of Datalounge or you'll find yourself banned pretty quickly[bold][italic].
- R367 Thank you for your nice answer, not like someone else.
It's strange, it was in italic first but now it's normal. I must not be such a dangerous psycho troll finaly.
Not always. Since more people cohabit rather than marry, there is a trend to give children double-barrelled surnames using both mother's and father's surnames. This, actually, is an indicator of being very much NOT posh!
I caught a whiff of the Steve Martin joke about names that enraged the interwebz. In the UK, non-standard names are, funnily enough, often indicators of (usually white) low strata people. In the US, it seems, it's an indicator of African American heritage. I had no idea. Another difference on each side of the pond.
- R366 What's the difference between a private/public school in Britian, and here in the US? If you don't mind.
I tried reading about it, but just ended-up a it more confused.
- State schools are free and 96% of British children go to state schools.
Public schools, which are run privately, including Eton, are fee paying schools.
- R370 public school in UK = private school in US
- [/bold] [/italic]Public = posh in Britain I guess. Those Brits and their contrary ways. I can't tell you how many times I got hideously confused reading those boarding school books when I was growing up.
- R52 - the "real world" is not restricted to the USA, thankfully.
Fassbender is a gifted actor, and certainly NOT "British", thank you very much. Cumberbatch is also very talented. Hiddleston - not so much. I don't really get his appeal at all.
- Search for public school on Wikipedia there's an article on it (the term is historical).
R369 It definitely used to be, like the example I gave above (looks like you're on yr 2nd warning btw.)
- R375 I did, but I got a little lost. I'll try again. Don't want to get too off track.
If we go by R345 's definitions, then Cumberbatch would be considered historically upper-class, but not exactly posh when compared to the others he engaged with. Every other Brit mentioned seems to fit the bill in both senses.
To me, it's that they're generally classically trained and seem to have more range than most of the 20-30 year old actors in Hollywood right now. And publicly, they generally seem to be more polite and stay out of trouble. (Yes, I am aware there are exceptions to what I just stated. Please refrain from attacking.)
Now that I think about it, many of the better actors in their 40s and 50s are not American either.
- Hello, All - OP here. The name of this thread is a misnomer, my bad. It was meant to be a follow-on to all of the TH threads but expand to include other prominent 20 and 30something actors worldwide and not just Brits.
There's nothing wrong with discussing any actor including Hiddleston, in context. Let's stay OT and avoid senseless flame wars that will only get flagged and result in shutting this thread down.
We need a lot more sanity and a far fewer foul invectives. Thanks.
- What we need is a lot more BOLD!
- I have no problem with this thread staying on track, OP. But what seems to happen every single time is that the dedicated TH threads get closed and then the stans find any thread they can that may have a relationship to him and try to hijack it. If we don't want that to happen, we all have to make a concerted effort to stop it.
I was the poster who started the London theatre thread and stans have attempted to hijack that one too. Please, please, let's do what we can to keep this community a fun place for regular DL'ers. If nonpaying peeps want to come here, I have no problem with that as long as they don't try to take over existing threads for their own purposes.
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- That's better.
Not quite, regarding British schools.
In the UK, schools that don't charge fees (what are called 'public schools' in the US) are called State Schools.
Private Schools are the same in the US and the UK, i.e. schools that charge fees. Also referred to in the UK as 'Independent Schools.'
Public Schools are something uniquely British, that the US does not have. They do charge fees, but only a tiny, tiny % of all fee-paying schools are Public Schools. The vast majority are just normal private schools and would always be referred to as either "private school" or "independent school." All public schools are technically private schools (though often not referred to as such), but most private schools are not public schools. They are called public schools because they were founded in the days (many in the 1600s) when schools as we know them did not exist, apart from certain church and guild schools, wealthy kids being educated at home. They're called public schools because they were the first schools to be open to the public.
- R380 I agree with you completely. We need to be vigilant and thwart any attempts to hijack legitimate threads.
- Highjack what?
Tom Hiddleston is posh, british and some people find him attractive, so they have the right to post here.
If you open a post about bagels or Obama, I understand, but not here.
- R385, if people want to talk about Hiddleston within the context of this thread overall, that is fine. But what tends to happen is that when the threads that are just about him get closed, people bump up old threads like this one and try to use them to make them completely about Hiddleston. I have seen this happen repeatedly and I am not okay with it.
But back to the actual subject of this thread~there is a perception here in the US that all things British are more highbrow and intellectual and I think that spills over into the actors too. I blame the popularity of Downton Abbey in part. I even hear plenty of TV and radio commercials with someone with a British accent, as if that somehow lends more credibility to it.
- r368, r367 is playing a joke on you. If a post is in bold or italics it just means that poster, or a previous poster, posted something using bold or italics tags and didn't close the tags correctly. If someone posted something using the bold or italics tags, and forgets to put the close tags at the end of their post, all subsequent posts will also be bolded or italicized, until someone posts the close tags, as I did in my posts at r381 and r382. That's all. Click on 'Help' in the top right hand corner for info about how tags work and how to close them.
- R383 - great post, thank you :)
And R387 is spot on, someone's having a bit of fun here haha.
- Thanks R383.
I also read that they were called public schools because any student could attend if they could pay, regardless of where they lived.
- TH doesn't want to be cast as a type, but he is a type
Maybe more theatre can help him
- He is absolutely a type, and I don't know if he can ever break out at this point. He really needs to take on a role that is not yet another posh princeling. I don't think he can do it.
- If he had been cast in something other than Crimson Peak we would know by now wouldn't we? There wouldn't be much reason to keep quiet.
- [quote] I even hear plenty of TV and radio commercials with someone with a British accent, as if that somehow lends more credibility to it.
The same happens on the other side of the pond, especially on radio with that "Hollywood movie voiceover" voice.
Tom Mison's about to blow them all out of the water.
If you don't already know this, you heard it here first.
- Oh Mison, what a babe
- I think TH is already on his way to being so last year. I will even say the same thing for Cumberbatch. He's been in a lot of things, but they have mostly been a let down.
- Is BC slated for anything this year. I heard he was going to play Hamlet this fall.
- He's slated to star in Lost City of Z, which is being funded by Megan Ellison's group. Don't know if filming has officially been scheduled.
- Everything appears to be pending or tentative in terms of BC's projects. I hope we hear soon about what he'll be definitively working on in 2014. With Sherlock over by next week, I hope there'll be some new projects to focus on.
- At least BC doesn't hide or care about his posh background unlike try hard TH.
Btw according to his co stars and stans, TH is sick and is starting struggling with his performances and illness. I predicted this would happen
- Yeah because all of BC's talk about posh bashing in the past clearly shows he doesn't care.
- Even if BC doesn't make it at HW, he still has Sherlock season 4 and 5 and theatre. He may never be a superstar but who cares. Same for TH.
- Not same, TH doesn't have a successful TV show. He has nothing at the moment
- Sure but if TH finaly understands that he'll never be a superstar in HW, he could easily do some quality TV.
I know that people love to say bad things about him here but he could be an other David Tennant.
- Sure he could be, but he wants to?
- He may have no choice.
- [R401] where exactly is his sickness reported ? Just curious .
- R408 Runny nose during performance and hoarse voice. Flu, I think
- I prefer my British actors a little rough around the edges....and preferably nude whenever possible.
- R410 Wow, where this masterpiece comes from?
I'm getting fed up with people around here seeming to think that Brit actors come to Hollywood and, if it doesn't work out, there will be a career waiting for them in British TV. As if British TV is just sitting and waiting for them to deign to take a role or two.
In fact, it is very cliquey and you're either in or you're out. TH is very much not in, for reasons I have discussed before on other threads.
TH DOES NOT have a good career in UK TV sitting and waiting for him.
- Tv doesn't wait for him but saying that he can't do tv for some reason is ridiculous too.
Why is it ridiculous? What do you know about British TV and how casting works? I know quite a bit and, as I have said before, I would bet a lot of money that we won't be seeing TH on any big-ticket British TV productions, whether his film career continues to stall or not.
I don't think he'll want for theatre offers. But TV? No chance. Not for some years, anyway.
- So,explain me why british tv wouldn't give him a job.
- I don't say "wouldn't give him a job". I say "he wouldn't be chosen for any decent roles in any big ticket productions". I've been through this before but I'll go again and you can decide to be outraged all over again.
1) it's cliquey and he's not in the right clique
2) there have been recent "mates" productions in which everyone who's anyone were in, but not TH
3) he walked away from Wallander without trying at all to make it work
4) he was vocal about being glad to leave the BBC and period roles behind
There's plenty more I could type, but mostly it's the clique. He's not in, like Tennant, David Morrissey, and a whole list of others who ARE in demand in British TV that I can't be arsed to type out.
- R417 It looks interesting, thanks.
R416 First I'm not outraged, just curious.
Then I believe you when you say it's cliquey (see Moffat about nepotism) but I don't see how he couldn't enter the right clique if he wanted.
He has been away from tv for some time but that doesn't mean he can't do it anymore.
It means it's highly, highly unlikely. He was pretty much unemployed for the whole of 2013, so if the work was on offer to him, don't you think he would have taken it if a) he wanted it and b) they wanted him? I can list the number of high quality, one-off or short run dramas taken on by his peers (those who work in films AND are in demand for British TV). It would be VERY long and so many names you'd recognise even internationally would be on it. No TH. Because he's not on anyone's list.
- Maybe Gatiss can help him now
- There's a rumour TH could be in the next Doctor Who but I don't think it's true.
- Like Whedon should have helped him? Like Spielberg? Like Branagh? Like Taylor?
If he had been cast for something his PR would have announced it.
- He won't be on Doctor Who, despite what Tumblr wants.
His name has been attached to quite a few projects (Everest, the Australian poet, the Crow) but nothing comes from it. He's got nothing after Crimson Peak so Luke will start pimping him out again anywhere and everywhere when it finishes filming. Maybe Coriolanus will help him get other roles, this is obviously his goal.
- [R401], wow! You predicted somebody would get the cold or flu during cold and flu season! You are a mighty powerful clairvoyant! World leaders should consult with you daily! Are you the one who was predicting that TH would have to drop out of the play? He hasn't, has he? Has he even missed a performance?
- [R416], again with your bizarre insistence that the Wallender production would have worked around the film schedule of someone whose role, which was like the 6th supporting character, consisted of being ordered by Branagh's character to search databases? For what would have been 3 episodes and probably 15 minutes screen time total? TH had committed to filming Avengers in NM before the Wallender production decided to go forward. Branagh understood the conflict and let him out of the contract. They're still on speaking terms, apparently. It happens all the time and does not destroy careers. Elsewhere you claimed, quite ridiculously, that he would never get another British TV role because he walked away from Wallender, but you were proved wrong when people pointed out that The Hollow Crown happened AFTER he walked away from Wallender. Then you tried to argue that, well, yes, he did get a LEAD role in THC after walking away from that tiny role in Wallender, but he'll never get TV work again because he didn't get a BAFTA for it. You keep moving the line, don't you? TH had 2 film projects (no, not The Crow) fall through in 2013; that happens all the time too. Actors carry on. He's not going to starve to death any time soon, as much as you would seem to enjoy that.
- Two films?
- R395 is right, in the very near future, TH instead of Fassbender fingerprints will find Mison's on scripts.
R426 I think R425 means The Capa movie and The Crow.
- Ops no, sorry not The Crow...What other movie fell through? Besides The Crow and Capa?
I'll repeat for one last Groundhog Day.
A number of factors make me believe TH will not be appearing in anything decent on British TV anytime soon.
Making an effort to accommodate both the BBC and Branagh for Wallander S3 is just one of them. It could have been done for precisely the reasons you say (interior role, small part) and it would have kept him in with the right people. It was, whatever you might like to say, a mistake.
As for Hollow Crown, it was an aberration in terms of what I keep trying to explain to you - how to be "in" within British TV. It was a theatrical production made by theatrical staff by a theatrical company (Sam Mendes). It was a one-off as far as UK TV commissioning goes. It fitted with TH's theatre contacts, and did nothing for this TV desirability. Hollow Crown is an outlier and should not be seen as ANY indication of TH's castability in the usual run of UK TV programming.
I'll say one last time: let's come back here in six months, or a year, or two years. You will see that I'm right. Assuming TH's film career continues to stall, he will not be visible on UK TV. He just won't. Theatre? Quite possibly. TV? No chance.
Let's take a bet on it. What's your ante?
- Not The Crow. Black Wings has My Angel with Anna Paquin. She backed out. And the Capa film
- Movie that fell through was probably Black Wings Has My Angel? What happened to that porn baron film he was attached to? Maybe he just has terrible luck.
- R430 Oh ok, in my mind the movie with Paquin was registered under 2012, probably because it's been dead for so long.
- [R429] Sure, Kevin Feige was definitely going to let an actor out of filming his biggest Marvel production so far out in New Mexico so he could go pretend to answer Branagh's phone. Sure, let's just have RDJ and SLJ and all these hundreds of other people cool their jets on this $220 million production so TH can fly to Sweden for a few days. No, you would be the one who is naive and knows little. And your protestations about BBC-TV and THC are comical. You keep back-tracking. I see you've dropped your whine about needing to win a BAFTA in order to get work again. The BBC is the BBC and they did give him that part. BTW, Sam Mendes is not just "theater people". If your blather were to be believed, Dan Stevens would be the one facing a very bleak future, what with walking away from a major role in a huge production and your insistence that the BBC holds grudges for people walking away from bit parts. And if everyone who ever said they wanted to avoid being typecast as doing nothing but BBC period pieces was barred, well, there would be nobody left to do them.
- Capa film it's not going happen
When did I say anything about BAFTAs? (I could say plenty about them but not particularly with regards to TH and haven't so far).
Seriously: what's your ante? Or will you have moved on to someone else in six months' or a year's time?
TH isn't well known by the UK public or anywhere really, save the internet. He isn't on the casting radar of anyone who's anyone in UK TV and is highly unlikely to become so. There are plenty of actors who ARE in demand and were sensible enough not to burn any bridges the moment they got a film role. The proof of the pudding will be evident as time goes on, whether you accept it today or not.
I hope his theatre career proves ongoing because it really is all he has got.
- Of all the British actors who could be described as posh, I am shocked that no one has mentioned this guy. His clothes and demeanor in this photo epitomize the posh lifestyle.
- Yes, but how "in demand" is he, really, by Hollywood?
- Depends on daddy friends
- Could we PLEASE try to keep this thread from derailing and turning into yet another tiresome TH thread? Please?
Okay, moving on to the actual thread topic now. I have a question about exactly what it is that makes a British actor "posh". It is coming from a background of wealth in the family? Being educated at schools considered prestigious? A combination of the two?
And it seems like applying the word "posh" to someone creates a negative connotation now. It that accurate?
- R439 and for the million time, like OP already pointed out, THIS IS a TH thread with the addition of talk about other Brit actors.
Learn to read.
- There are gradations of posh. The most obvious indicator in terms of acting would be the accent. There's nicely spoken and then there is plummy RP.
Another not mentioned so far is Rupert Penry-Jones.
- I saw Max Irons in The White Queen and whether it was the adaptation or the writing, I found the performances by Irons and the female lead Rebecca Ferguson very underwhelming.
Max Irons is great eye candy though. I did enjoy his terrific ass and buttocks! He doesn't much resemble his Dad Jeremy. As far as looks go, Max reminds me of Friends and Episodes star Matt LeBlanc. Time will tell if he's inherited Jeremy's talent.
- R436 As an American, I didn't immediately make the connection that Max Irons was the son of Jeremy Irons and Sinead Cusack. He doesn't look anything like his famous Dad. IMO, Max does resemble Matt LeBlanc of Friends and Episodes.
I saw The White Queen and found his acting and that of the female lead, Rebecca Ferguson to be so-so and I didn't see much chemistry between them. He was great eye candy though. Hopefully, Max can prove he has inherited some of his parents acting chops in future endeavors. The pose he struck in Town and Country -- a very posh magazine indeed -- looked like he was going for a young James Dean demeanor rather than pure posh.
- Max Irons is very brattish and short on talent. Hated The White Queen.
- R439 see R355's definitions for posh.
- Speaking of TH, I was right about Luke pimping him out. Profile in the Telegraph mag tomorrow.
- TH's she shall not be named is practically now following everything he's mentioned in on Twitter. Seriously this is not behaviour of a woman who wants to be kept a secret. It's tragic as well as sad.
- [quote]As an American, I didn't immediately make the connection that Max Irons was the son of Jeremy Irons and Sinead Cusack. He doesn't look anything like his famous Dad.
Max looks exactly like Sinead. I didn't think he was terrible in the White Queen and he certainly provided wonderful eye candy.
- R447 I think I'm the only one, she is one of entertaining things I've never seen in my life. pathetic woman
- R446 BTW terrible picture
- I didn't want to mention her again, but she did start following Only Lovers Left Alive the other day. and she's just started following the Telegraph magazine now. Funny.
- I watched the first episode of the White Queen and wasn't impressed. Boring, no chemistry between anyone. Haven't seen Max in anything else I don't think.
- TH is very limited as an actor. Where BC and Fassebender can adapt into any role, TH can only really do posh boy. He's will only really be famous for playing Loki none of his other roles are stand out and you'll probably forget. Seen OLLA and even that is DVD or Netflix film.
TH should stick to theatre as that where he gets roles however much he's throwing strops because of the crazies he's encouraged in the past
- R448 R451 if someone see's her can they tell her that she either tells TH to go public or dumps him and stop behaving like one of the tumblr crowd.
For a 35 year old woman she should know the difference if a man is into her. Like so many people have said on here, if he was into her that much he wouldn't hide her even from the crazies.
- I thought we already established she was stupid and pathetic when she started to follow NathanFillion and JossWhedon and then unfollowed them later. She can't really do worse than that.
- Fwb wouldn't hang around on twitter and follow everything that mentions the person they are banging. In fact they would probably be very discrete and keep their distance.
TH isn't even that famous to be hiding a GF and the tumblr crowd don't seem to care. So I don't understand this point of a pathetic parade.
If he had be truthful interest in her would be over and DL would be back to laughing at his desperate attempts to get noticed
- If she doesn't want to have problems she has to protect her account, like O. Poulet did it (BC ex)
She didn't, she's stupid, everyone can see her subscriptions. What the hell she has in her mind?
- Maybe he doesn't fuck her anymore but she's clingy.
- R458 lol, in that case he hasn't since Wimbledon because she had this behaviour since then.
- With TH, is the "she' the music indusrty exec? I don't keep up.
- R439, bite me. Sorry that you are such a stan that talking about TH is your obsession. Have fun with that.
- R460 yep, she is
- R462 You people don't understand, it's not an obsession. It's SO FUN (for me at least)
- Well, if what I'm reading on here is true... She's just as bad as some of his fans.
The problem more likely has something to do with TH attracting these types.
- Yeah she's pathetic but he's more pathetic than her. Coward and a bit liar
- She's not the music exc it appears she is a music promoter.
Even if she was dating him she is still acting sad. Many other halfs of famous people who are not famous themselves don't act like a crazed stan.
TH needs someone who is quiet and patient given the job hes in. The last thing he needs is a GF who is one of the tumblr crowd
- What makes a British actor "posh"? Wealth, possibly, but only if at least second-generation and used to put said actor through a top-tier Public School. (A grand, very expensive boarding school.)
Said school should ensure entrance to a similarly top-tier university and/or drama school.
The "posh" tag is hot now because of the recent privileged generation coming to prominence. (It ties in a bit with the fact that the PM, deputy PM, Chancellor and London Mayor are all rightly described as posh boys, and are as such seen as out of touch with the struggling masses.)
"Posh" in describing actors isn't I think negative, just a short-hand tag, a handy hook for hacks. Actors can either act or they can't - their schooling is irrelevant.
- R457 TH has started to follow OP on twitter. After seeing a photo of her she looks like the girl he's been spotted with in the book store.
I also find it odd that he hasn't mentioned anything about getting 1 million followers given the reaction he gave at 50k . Maybe his stans have served their purpose and he has no need for them now
- Wouldn't that be a kicker? Heh heh. Though, isn't everyone in the the British entertainment industry friends with everyone?
- R469, that's interesting. She mentioned that she was dating another actor in an interview a few months ago but declined to name him. Then again I'm sure they could be just friends.
- R469 LOOOLLLLLL
That's the best thing EVER.
TH fucking BC's ex, that would be the greatest thing on eath. Fandoms meltdown.
Olivia is blonde, boorkstore girl is dark by the way.
- R472 she who shall not be named is blonde too in fact blonder. Olivia looks more like bookstore girl than whe who shall not be named. TH has also known her longer and I doubt she acts like a fangirl half of the time
- R472 The girl had darker blonde hair, but it wasn't brown or anything. Olivia Poulet's hair is lighter blonde than what that girl's hair was in the video.
- R473 Did you ever see Olivia? She's very blonde, bookstore girl is dark.
Bookstore girl may be or may not be the one who can't be named, but she's certainly not Olivia.
- Ok, TH stalkers as much as I like you, you've lost your mind here.
You really believe that Tom would be in a relationship with Cumberbatch's ex????
And you really believe they would make it official like that, TH following her on tweeter.
I can believe they're friends or whatever, but it's a bit too much.
- Olivia is a natural blonde while the girl in the video clearly wasn't.
- What R470 said:
Isn't everyone in the the British entertainment industry friends with everyone?
- R476 Nah people are just bored, and it's just funny talk. I don't think anyone is taking it seriously.
- TH prefers brunettes while BC prefers blondes.
- Agree, R480
TH also likes girls that look exactly like his sister, judging by Wimbledon girl.
But dating OP would be funny. He's friends with BC and BC stayed friends with OP if they are to be believed, so they could easily have met since they all work in the industry. OP set her twitter private and I don't think she adds strangers so I guess they've met.
- She who shall not be named still has lighter hair than bookstore girl from recent pictures plus her hair is longer.
- R481 SF was dark just like SC. TH unfollowed Wimbledon but she as we gathered has been twitter stalking him like a fangirl ever since
- I thought bookstore girl WAS she who shall not be named/radio promo girl/wimbledon lady/loud woman in cafe? And there are not that many pictures of her recent or not so it's hard to judge or be an expert on her hair.
Maybe he'll mention her in the Telegraph piece tomorrow.
- R484 as we never saw her face how do we know it WAS her? Bookstore girl has her face covered and we only have DL stories to go by. If he is stull seeing her it does make him a liar and a coward like simeone saud earlier.
It's quite easy to find recent photos of she who shall not be named. She's not exactly keeping a low profile.
- R483 What do you mean stalking like a fangirl? She was a fangirl from the very beginning.
TH is not doing stage door as much lately. It looks like he just does enough to keep them placated so they don't start getting out of control again.
I wonder if BC is prepared for all the fangirl craziness when he does Hamlet?
- Someone needs to buy TH some lips before he becomes a true contender.
Tom Mison is pure perfection.
- I'm hoping some of the fangirl hysteria will have died down by the time autumn rolls around, R486. Hoping, mind you.
- BC won't be doing Hamlet at the Donmar so there will be plenty of tickets available and probably less fans bitching at each other because fewer people will miss out.
Plus he'll be at a bigger theatre with plenty of security and most importantly a back door!
- BC tickets would be like gold dust compared to TH.
TH is coming across as fickle at the moment. You can't really tell what's real with him because changes his personality all the time.
- Does anyone know where BC is doing Hamlet?
- Why not ask Andrew Scott, OP?
- What do you think of Jack Huston, who can now be seen in American Hustle?
- R491 It hasn't been announced yet, but it's assumed to be a big west end venue.
- [R466] What did he lie about?
LOL. What exactly has he conquered? How to pander to his lunatic fanbase and every single entertainment person he's spoken to in the last three years? There's no hero worship, only a desperate attempt to keep him in the spotlight. He's a tiny fish in a huge ocean, no matter what Tumblr thinks. Perhaps he will go on another publicity tour of third world countries? His calendar is very free this year, and LW would so encourage it!
A VERY posh (practically aristocratic) English man is he (The Dragon School, Eton, Cambridge, RADA, nannies, trust funds, a five-star upbringing, mummy's family money.)He DEFINES posh, and gets miffed when it is brought to attention (he plays ALL THE CHORDS!!! NOT JUST THE POSH ONES!!!)
Hope he enjoyed 2012-13. They were his active years. He's known for Loki, and that's over (Thank God!) He's going to fade away when his teenage fangirls discover real boys and grow up. I agree. Let us see where he is in a year. He will easily be replaced by another posh Eton/RADA grad. Sorry to dispel the notion that he is a special snowflake. He's not.
But his stans will always have their Loki porn blogs.
- R495 everything, his interviews are just shibboleths
- He's going to be in "Muppets Most Wanted."
- R496 I love this post.
'he plays ALL THE CHORDS!!!'
His father is WORKING CLASS YOU KNOW!!!!! Down the mines every day and everything!!!!
- , one can say that about all actors.
And didn't he complain about ALL THE HARD WORK he did whilst auditioning for roles after he graduated? He was SO desperate to get work. What was it- two weeks- before that woman cast him as himself in Unrelated- the posh a$$hole kid? Wow. That must have been... ROUGH. A whole ten days without work. He was forced to live off his wits, good looks- and his family's money. Tough life. I can see how that kind of experience helped him- play prince Loki and attend gentle garden parties, to watch royals play polo.
- [R501], you sound jealous
- TH never complains. He is an optimist don't you know. It's all roses and rainbows!
- You all are the weirdest bunch of stans ever. You're all obsessed with the guy but some of you hate him and some of you think he's the most perfect person ever. No wonder his fans have a bad rep.
- Kind of related, but a girl on tumblr posted that her sister lived in a flat next to him in London when he had just left drama school.
Despite his proclaiming that he lived in a hostel, he actually lived in a nice flat in Pimlico which was owned by his agent.
Apparently he threw loud parties until 3AM all the time because 'it's London Film Week!' and they used to annoy him by pretending they didn't know his name/who he was.
- R502 You sound... YOUNG.
That's a word for children.
R504 You know what's worse? Posts that COMPLAIN about those things.
No, no, no. That CANNOT be true. TH does NOT lie. About anything. Ever. He is a perfect Disney prince.
If anyone believes that man has lived - for even an hour of his life- in anything other than wealth and privilege, first class everything...
Well, I do not know what to say. They fell for his boy-next-door schtick. Sad for them, though. It's a ruse, meant to sell movie tickets. He cannot be bothered with the peasants, you know.
- R505 I thought he lived in a hostel for a short time before he got an agent. What young twenty-something doesn't throw some parties. That really isn't that big a deal.
- I attended and threw many parties when I was twenty something too LOL
Anyway is he really sick now and has it affected the play that he is in? Just don't want to attend a play that is not up to its usual standard cos of a sick actor.
- R176, Hadley Fraser has gotten quite a bit of critical flack while the rest of the cast is getting generally good reviews.
- He never lived in a hostel. Maybe he did while he was bumming about Europe, just for fun, but he has always had five star digs and he has never had to work for his keep. It has always, always been handed to him.
He brings up his father's supposedly working class roots as much as he can, but this is his father's story, not his.
As an actor he hits all the chords and emotions from A to B.
Compare his pictures this year to even one year ago. He looks like shit. Bad skin, hairline in retreat. This man is not aging well at all.
Sorry, I don't get all the fan psychosis.
By the way, according to Twitter Audit, 25% of his twitter follows are fake accounts.
- Maybe the hostel was inside his head.
- R511 LW has to have something to do on Twitter on those long cold nights. LOL
- [R496] So true. He is in the same circle of friends as Prince William and Harry--and not just the Eton specific ones either. Definition of posh.
- Here's a Tumblr post about it, I posted about it not because a twenty year old throwing parties was shocking, but it tends to dispel the struggled for years part of his story, as R511 said, everything handed to him on a plate, a sweet deal on a Pimlico flat is hardly struggling.
- People are so bitchy today.
- R515 LOL! Poor TH getting picked on.
I thought TH meant struggling in his acting career, not struggling with money though.
Even though he always seemed to want to come off like this happy optimistic person he seems to be showing more if his moody side during the run of Coriolanus.
- The woman in the bookshop is neither the woman who must not be named or Cumberbatch's ex. He is playing the field and dating, so just leave it at that.
- R506, no. What's worse is your obsession with this guy.
- R480 TH also seems to like 'em shorter and curvier, while BC seems to like 'em taller and thinner.
- R518 Women do have a tendancy to change their haircolor quite a bit.
- R520 The blonde thing is the most consistent. The skinny part is only now that he's famous it seems.
- R522 Anna James and Liv Tyler are both brunettes.
Both are tall and thin though. Well, Tyler is on the thinner side.
- She who shall not be named: I went to Wimbledon with TH now that means we're dating so I can stalk him constantly on twitter. Squee
TH: shit what have I've got myself into? She's as mad as the fangirls that send me Shitty pictures
LW: secretly still hopes TH is gay
Make up woman: he's looking pale lets put some bright orange on him
- From the full Telegraph interview, aside from the usual stuff, no project after CrimsonPeak is mentioned and he says that he likes to retreat to his mother house in Suffolk so I doubt she helps him with the laundry, lol.
About the dancing parties, didn't he say in an interview that he used to throw parties at his house in Venice, LA while shooting Thor1? I seem to remember that.
- R525 that is one of the most pretentious interviews I've read. From that interview all I can tell that it's clear that he wants fame more. I've also discovered the man carries to much money on him.
- This article is weird like all these articles written by fangirl or fanboy.
But Jeez, the guy takes himself and his "art" so seriously.
I've got the impression that he's lacking humour about things and about himself. He does all these stupid things so people won't see it.
I didn't read a lot of his interview but yeah he seems full of himself in this interview and not in a Cumberbatch's way because with BC you can always fell the doubt behind the words, not here.
- Admittedly, he never really comes off well in written interviews, this one is worse than others because the journalist recycled old stuff with new, dishing out his career but carefully avoiding to mention the lack of future projects.
But I was rereading the part where the journalist says TH stole the film The Avengers from RDJ and Ruffalo and added the compliment for Thor2 and I thought if it could be actors/directors in HW that have some influence don't like him for this very reason? That every movie he is in would become a movie only about him due to his fandom and media? It sounds a bit absurd I know but reading this article you'd think the man is booked for work for the next century while he isn't.
- Every actor comes off in written interview, I agree.
These fanboys/fangirls interview do more harm than good. People are not stupid, they can see he doesn't work much, it's far too PR to be taken seriously.
It may be one of Hiddles's problem, the PR machine is too obvious and other people (actors, directors, etc) can resent him for that.
If you're an actor and know that medias will drool over him again and again and ignore your work, you may not want to work with him.
- Wow, what a terrible article. It's mainly old quotes jumbled together.
Once more talking about his father's background but failing to mention his mother is practically an aristocrat. He's so defensive.
- Sorry I have been quite out of the latest news when it comes to TH and BC. But when I read through the recent posts on this thread re the two, I get the impression that there's been more criticism towards TH? I always thought the two were fairly similar, posh British public schools, well off parents?
- Terrible "article" written by a fangirl.
Hilarious how it's his thing now to discuss his *Dad's* accomplishments ("working-class Scot who made himself from the ground up!), but his Mum is "former stage manager/opera fanatic". Absolutely no mention EVER of her peerage spot, her uber-wealthy, old-money family. Cannot let the plebes know that he's posher than posh! Should not mention that he attended school with the future King of England. He's just like us!
But, HE is the reason every project he has ever been in has been successful, so, I guess they give him a pass. No mention of his publicity stunt with UNICEF? Hmm...we don't bring that up, either, I guess. "Entertainment journalists" are a funny lot. Wonder what LW promised this one, to create such a fiction? A date with TH?
And stop with the piano metaphors! You're NO BETTER than anyone else, you dolt. You do not possess any extra-special genes. I know Eton taught you differently, but, NO, you do not.
- Oh gosh the piano metaphors. Again
- [525,526,527], the article appears to be nothing more than quotes taken from a string of other interviews and articles and stuck together; not the result of an actual interview. It isn't an article subject's fault if the writer cobbles stuff together from elsewhere and produces pretentious-sounding crap.
- It's really interesting to sit and watch people here, who clearly severely dislike TH, harp on every word he says in these interviews.
- R534 yes and in fact I wrote that it's mostly old stuff. But while personally I wasn't blaming TH, the journalist also writes that he met TH at a hotel in London after Coriolanus preview night, so an actual interview happened.
TH was actually interviewed for this piece of fangirl dribble.
If it comes off as "pretentious-sounding"- look no further than TH. HE said this stuff. Really, he did.
He honestly should not do any speaking off-script. Perhaps LW shouldn't allow him do any interviews at all? It really does him no favors. Maybe just keep him going to photo shoots and red carpet/VIP events to keep him relevant? It's very, very difficult to keep up the facade of a perfect Prince Charming, which is what he has been doing for the past three years in public. Tumblr would still worship him- and they'd get pictures of him smiling, and never be any wiser about him. Win-win.
- R537 Such interviews won't change the view of the Tumblr crowd I think. They will still love him, and probably think that he seemed so charming in the interview.
- R509 By this report and by watching the full video she links I wouldn't say he is too sick to perform, or even much sick.
- He just had a cold, winter time, you know
- He's still sounds and looks a bit rough. Enough for co stars and stand to mention it.
I think he's getting fed up with all the fangirls now. They have got them where he is today so he probably feels he has no need for them anymore. What we are beginning to see is the real TH. the act is falling now.
- I don't think we'll ever see the 'real' TH but I agree re avoiding the fangirls now. I think he doesn't mind giving piggybacks and singing happy birthday when he's promoting Loki but when he's doing 'serious' work he likes to keep his distance so they'll be less embarrassing and ruin his serious actor reputation he's trying to build back up.
I actually wasn't expecting him to put his foot down and refuse to see them most of the time, I thought he'd be signing and snapping selfies for hours. He ditches them after 5 mintues and then runs off to the pub with his friends. LOL.
- R542 has he been seen at the pub again?
Wait till she who shall not be named and the tumblr crew find out that. Lol
- R453 The funny thingh is that night, it seems, he came out for a bit but didn’t finish the matinee queue and said “I’m sorry I really have to go, my friend’s mum is sick” and ran up the street with the security guard (according to another tumblr girl)
- A girl met him in a pub and wrote about seeing him running off to meet his friends which I found hilarious.
- LOL OMG R544 I heard about that but didn't realise it was the same night! Oops, busted. Or maybe they were meeting up for a couple of drinks to talk about the friends mum.
- Lol at the lame excuse.
- R544 OMG tell me this is true, please tell me this is actually true. LOL
- Liars will always be caught out. Especially ones that are bad at it like TH. using an illness as an excuse is sick. Stupid boy.
I'm starting to go off him. Wished the tumblr crowd would see he's a dick.
- R544 AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH what a jelly man
- Out of curiosity, what would you say to TH if you met him?
I'd congratulate him on his new role as Pinocchio. As a wooden boy who lies I'm sure it's a role he can easily fulfil
- R544 Sorry I don't get it, he didn't finish the matinee queue at night? I know there are two shows on Sat. but the matinee doesn't end at night.
- So TH said that his friends mum was sick as an excuse to cut his time short for the stage door but yet he was seen a bit later at a pub? Kind of a lame thing to do. He could have just signed a few and left without an explaination. He did not owe them any excuses.
- Maybe it's not true, don't forget it's tumblr, or she didn't understand well. But if is, give him a comic show, really
- Sure actors lie but they don't pretend to be all perfect that every move is PR like TH. that's his problem. After Coriolanus he should disappear for a while an come back after a year or two with new management and new PR. this is getting silly now with him.
We need a new thread soon.
- I am so happy this thread is nearing 600 posts. And if another paying member of DL creates a thread about this dick I will personally come and hunt you down.
- If he disappears during one or two his career is dead.
- I do not understand the obsession with this guy. And do you not have enough other places to discuss him? Why do you all stalk DL and then pounce on any thread you can find that will give you an excuse to talk about him?
- R552 Only people with show tickets can have autographs. And only on the same day
- What the hell is wrong with all of you? Seriously, what is the fascination for you with TH?
- Considering how much you all diss Tumblr, you sure do seem to know just where to find all of the TH info on it. I suspect the majority of you posting here are just crazy stan freepers who stalk Tumblr, ONTD, and CB in desperate search of news about him.
- R556 R558 R560 Well personally I do not understand your obsession with us, 3 post in less than a minute
- four! you are in The Guinness World Records
- R559 ah ok I get it, thanks!
R556/R558/R560/R561 you are a pathetic brat, filling up the thread with simile-rational posts doesn't change this fact.
- True, we veered back off into TH again but we haven't talked about him for a little while.
let's talk about Tom Mison instead.
I haven't seen him in anything but I enjoyed his picture being posted...
- Yes, I want this thread to die a quick death so that you stans will all get the fuck out and go kill yourselves because TH doesn't love you. What a bunch of fucking obsessed cunts you all are. Get the fuck off of DL and find another place to freeload and discuss this prick. Die in a fire, all of you. And take your obsession with Jane Arthy with you.
- R565 I don't mind talking about Mison, I very much liked how he built his character for Sleepy Hollow, but I don't like the show, at all.
I do hope he'll get more roles in the future.
That being said though, this IS a TH thread so we are not OT.
- R565 He is in the tv series Sleepy Hollow. I haven't really seen it so I can't really comment on his acting.
- Why won't one of you freaks tell me why you are so obsessed with Hiddleston? And why you feel the need to come here and talk about him when there are so many other places to do so?
- R566 Since you have made threatening comments I have reported your IP
- Oh Jesus Christ, get a grip R566.
- R570, you need to get a grip too.
- I hope Mison will do some theatre too, he did at the beginning of his career
- R571/R566/R570 Talking to yourself now?
- R573, I am surprised someone has not yet reminded you that this is a TH thread! Shame on you for daring to talk about someone else on here! The nerve of you!
- I think the fascination with TH I that he'll do anything to become more famous that its funny. He's that desperate. Plus he's the only actor I know that hooks up with a fangirl who constantly stalks him on twitter. She who shall not be named is just as funny.
Just heard that CH is presenting an Ocsar. Bet TH would tell many lies to get out of Coriolanus so he could do that
- Chris Hemsworth is co-presenting the Oscar nominations but also a Golden Globe.
- R576, is she who shall not be named Jane Arthy? And why is no one saying her name? There is certainly more than enough speculation about her on here. Maybe she needs her own thread too!
- Who is Tom Mison? Is he another posh English actor? What's he in? Sorry, I don't recognize the name.
- R579 He plays Ichabod on Fox's Sleepy Hollow
- R578 yeah, she's JA. I have no idea why everyone calls her that, but it cracks me up.
- She who shall not be named is when threads mysteriously get closed down. Also some regular DLers don't like her much
I prefer to call her unicorn Tumblr Queen given her antics. It gives fangirls including the crazy ones hope that he would fuck them as well. That's why she's liked on tumblr.
It's also funny he tries to hide her when she clearly doesn't want to be hidden
- I've been rethinking this whole talking about TH on DL issue, and now feel that everyone is going to have to compromise on this a little.
Regular DLers: I get where you are coming from, but I think it is time to accept that you can't control everything. DL has attracted a fangirl contigent, and I just don;t see how you can police against this without coming across as jerks and wasting your time.
Fangirls, Fraus, or whatever you are: People here hate you. They really do. You have made it clear though that you don't care about that. My question for you is, will you give a little inch and at least make it easier for those who do not want to encounter this TH gush to avoid it?
My suggestion: Start your own threads. Pony up some money to become paying contributers, and make your own threads. Mark them clearly in the OP that they are about TH, then have at it. Please though please, do NOT hijack old threads with different or more general topics and turn them into threads about TH, and please don't start a new thread about something general like "British Theatre" unless you are really and truly committed to sticking to that topic.
Both Sides: Please stop bashing each other. Regular DLers, you have made your point. Let it go. Life sometimes requires us to tolerate things we don't especially like. Outsiders who want to talk about TH, you accomplish nothing by responding to vitriol.
It is very frustrating for me to click on a thread that is supposedly about an interesting topic, only to find out that it has turned into the Tumblr Vomitorium, and that is how these threads feel sometimes.
I get it that some of you once really liked TH and now you hate him, and I think there are valid reasons for that. For me, he is just way over-exposed and over-hyped given his actual accomplishments which, in my opinion, are pretty damned slim. I also suspect that he is far from the nice person his PR wants the world to believe he is. So these threads actually are kind of interesting to me at times, even when I also want to ask all of you to step back a bit and tone it down.
Just my thoughts, and yes, it is probably time for a new clearly labeled thread.
- Thank you r483. However, pls don't lump all of TH's fans into one group. I like the guy but I am not fanatical about him.
- R582 There's no conspiracy about threads being shut down, it happens all the time on this site.
- And the reason the TH threads get shut down so often is because they go completely off the rails due to over-invested fangirls speculating about potentially libelous things. So the DL mods are wise to close them up. If these threads could be contained to just the DL members, I don't think that would happen. But as there is simply no way to keep the stans off of them, I am glad to see them get shut down as often as they do.
- Accept that fact that more than a few DLers are crazy. These are not invasions from the "outside". There are plenty of other places to discuss these people (to death). No need to come to the DL to do so.
We've had soap mania, Pony mania, now it's TH mania. These are DLer fangurls (of both sexes) posting this stuff.
I agree that it would be considerate if such fans could start their own threads and not force (sane) posters to wade through otherwise interesting threads. Maybe then the webmaster would give you a break and not shut your tiresome musings down.
- In fact it wasn't an outsider who started that thread about TH having a brain tumor.
In case no other thread comes up, here it's a thread about TH on another anonymous board.
- Say what you will about the people posting about Harry Styles et al several months ago, at least they left en masse when it was made obvious to them that the discussion wasn't welcome here.
- I forgot to include Ken Watanabe, Djimon Hounsou, and Clint Eastwood in my poll! They're also among everyone's favorite posh British actors.
- R579 apparently he was Potty Perowne in Parade's End. I didn't realise Potty was hot!
- I want to give R583 a cookie because they are right. However a few fangirls actually did start their own TH thread but it got shut down.
Haven't really seen anything about TH which is libellous at all. I also don't think that TH is as a nice person as his PR claims to be. Using a sick relative as an excuse not to sign things for stans which is actively encouraged in the first place is an all time low for him
- I don't mind making another thread but the last thread entirely dedicated to TH discussion was closed after a few hours and full of abuse.
R591 Ah I always thought the guy playing Potty was a terrible actor. oh well. at least he's pretty.
- R593 what did they say about him? Spill
- This idea that anything is libelous is ridiculous. If DL were liable for shit people say here, this site would not exist. No such legal liability exists. This is well established in law.
The threads are shut down because certain DL busybodies want them to be shut down and habitually run crying to Nanny when things don't go their way. This is why I suggest the compromise. DLers, live and let live. The rest of you, create threads that have clear intent.
Yeah I know, this is all wasted.
R592, I think TH is self-important and not very talented. He plays the PR game well though and it is pretty transparent. It's all marketing. He's a posh little puppy who will always get what he wants because posh little puppies always do. He considers it his due, as is always the case with children of extreme privilege. Yes, I find this to be annoying.
- R594 I believe R593 is referring to the thread below which was closed after 2 days.
R595 I agree, I have no idea what R586 is talking about. I've seen more potentially libellous info on other threads which weren't closed.
- It's funny that the only awards TH is winning is the best looking male awards. I don't count the GQ one as any awards which contain one direction automatically looses credit.
People complaining about TH threads, can I remind you we don't need 50 Jeremy Renner threads.
- I'm a longtime DLer, not familiar with Hiddleston or his work, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was something going on behind the scenes resulting in the threads being shut down. Something more than the webmaster finding the fangirls annoying, that is. I've noticed the same thing happens with David Tennant (hardly a widely discussed actor), anytime a thread starts discussing his private life and the rumours about him, it gets nuked. The 'actors you think will come out' thread ran for ages with lots of potentially libelous posts, but it was only when poster started speculating about Tennant's marriage that it was deleted.
- I am a paying DL member and I will not start another thread about Hiddleston and I ask other members not to do so either. Let the insanity die down a bit please, and then maybe the freeloading stans will not come here all the damn time to check for a new thread.
And as for anything libelous, some of you missed the speculation that Jane Arthy was pregnant by TH that happened right before a TH thread got shut down a couple of weeks ago.
- R599 wasn't that a joke? I thought everyone knew that. It's not libellous i heard worse on well known gossip sites.
Fairy Oscar thread was funny until it got shut down and there was nothing bad on that
- R597 Renner is tolerated because he's most likely gay (see also Cavill).
Interesting R598 but that doesn't explain completely innocuous threads being shut down (like the one about Mamie Eisenhower) .