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Iran nuclear talks unravel after Binyamin Netanyahu intervention
Julian Borger, The Guardian
The diplomatic progress that brought six foreign ministers tantalizingly close to a historic agreement on the Iranian nuclear program is in danger of unraveling before negotiators meet again this month, officials and analysts warned on Sunday.
In a bid to contain the danger, the lead US negotiator, Wendy Sherman, flew straight from the talks in Geneva to Israel to reassure Binyamin Netanyahu’s government that the intended deal would not harm his country’s national interests.
The hastily arranged trip represented an acknowledgement of Netanyahu’s power to block a deal through his influence in the US Congress and in Europe. Egged on by the Israelis, the US Senate is poised to pass new sanctions that threaten to derail the talks before they get to their planned next round in 10 days’ time.
The US secretary of state, John Kerry, said on Sunday that America was sufficiently skeptical of Iran’s willingness to dismantle its nuclear program and would keep sanctions in place as talks continue.
“We are not blind and I don’t think we’re stupid. We have a pretty strong sense of how to measure whether or not we are acting in the interests of our country and of the globe,” Kerry said on NBC’s Meet the Press.
More immediately, Netanyahu demonstrated over the weekend that he could sway the Geneva talks from the inside through his relationship with Paris. It has emerged that after a call from Barack Obama on Friday evening asking him not to oppose the planned Geneva deal, Netanyahu did the opposite. He called British prime minister, David Cameron, Russian president Vladimir Putin, German chancellor Angela Merkel and French president François Hollande, asking them to block it.
Hollande, whose government shared some of Israel’s concerns, agreed. It was French opposition that finally sank the bid to seal a temporary nuclear accord, after three days of intense bargaining, in the early hours of Sunday morning, but Netanyahu was quick to claim credit.
Netanyahu told cabinet colleagues: “I told them that according to the information Israel has, the impending deal is bad and dangerous – not just for us but for them too. I asked them what was the rush and I suggested that they wait and consider the matter seriously.
“The deal at once lifts the pressure of sanctions which have taken years to put in place, and leaves Iran with its nuclear and enrichment capabilities intact. Not one centrifuge is to be dismantled. These are historic decisions. I asked that they wait and I’m pleased they have decided [to do] so.”
The French roadblock took Washington by surprise. There had been an initial day of discussions in Geneva on Thursday involving the Iranian foreign minister, Mohammad Javad Zarif, the EU foreign policy chief, Catherine Ashton, and senior diplomats from the US, the UK, France, Germany, Russia and China, the six-nation group known as the P5+1 that has led the nuclear negotiations since 2006.
There had been an understanding that if the talks looked close to agreement, Kerry, who was in the Middle East last week, would come to Geneva to push them over the finishing line. But on Thursday night the Iranians forced his hand. Zarif announced that work on drafting an agreement would start the next morning and officials told the press Kerry would fly in the same day – putting the US secretary of state in a bind. If he stayed away and the talks failed, he would be blamed. He was weighing the possibility of personal intervention anyway, officials in Geneva said, but would have preferred to have chosen the timing and made the announcement himself.
Kerry had an uncomfortable meeting with Netanyahu at Ben Gurion airport on Friday morning in which the Israeli prime minister lectured him on the dangers of deal with Iran which loosened sanctions without halting the nuclear project. The atmosphere was so sour, the Americans opted out of a joint press appearance.
Kerry took off for Geneva, but before he landed the draft agreement was under public attack from another, more unexpected quarter. The French foreign minister, Laurent Fabius, told a French radio station that Paris would not accept a jeu des dupes – a fools’ game, casting doubt on when a deal could be concluded.
He broke an agreement not to discuss the content of the negotiations in public, outlining what France saw as the sticking points: Iran’s heavy-water reactor in Arak and its stock of medium-enriched uranium, which are alternative pathways to making a bomb. The 20% uranium could be easily turned into weapons-grade material if Tehran should decide to make a warhead, but Iran was refusing to ship it out of the country. The negotiators had been looking at compromises such as diluting it or turning it into oxide reactor fuel, which would make it more difficult to enrich further. But Paris was concerned that such options did not give the same level of assurance that the stockpile would not one day used for a bomb.
France’s unease about Arak was even greater. Once operational, the heavy water reactor would produce plutonium with its spent fuel. It was due to be completed next year, and Iran refused to halt production, saying it was essential for producing isotopes used in medicine, agriculture and other scientific research.
A compromise was being hatched by US and Iranian officials that would allow the Iranians to carry on building the reactor over the six-month period of the interim agreement, but only to test it with dummy fuel rods and ordinary water.
The French and the Israelis believed that was too high-risk a solution that would allow the Iranians to get so close to completion that they would be able to insert enriched uranium into the reactor with very little notice and present the world with a fait accompli. Once that was done, bombing the reactor would not be an option because it would send a radioactive plume across the region.
Kerry had been hoping to address the French reservations within P5+1, but Fabius refused to back down during a session of the foreign ministers that went late into Saturday morning. Zarif observed wryly that the P5+1 seemed to need more time to negotiate with each other than with Iran.
Other western officials were furious with what they saw as a French breach of the P5+1′s jealously guarded unity.
“This is about France’s interests in the Gulf and the fact that Hollande is going to Israel later this month and he doesn’t want the trip to turn into a nightmare,” one official said. French officials said the text drafted principally by the US and Iran was significantly different from the one discussed by the P5+1. “There are two parallel processes going on here, a multilateral one that has been going on for seven years, and a bilateral one, and the two have not come together properly. The cogs have got jammed,” said an European official in Geneva.
France has long suspected the Obama administration of being too ready to make a deal with Iran for short-term diplomatic gains, but as recently as a year ago a senior French official told the Guardian that ultimately an agreement would have to be made between Washington and Tehran. Paris, whatever its reservations, would not stand in its way.
That calculation clearly no longer applies. Following the two countries’ falling-out over Syria, in which the French believed the Obama administration was dithering, France now feels strong enough to oppose Washington on America’s most pressing foreign policy issue – a measure perhaps of America’s waning influence in the world.
- Binyamin knows best.
- Yes, he know how to stab the POTUS in the back time and time again.
- And looks hot doing it.
- The US couldn't take nuclear weapons in Cuba why should Israel or anyone trust Iran with them. Keep the sanctions on them.
- Nothing new for Israel. They're no friend. They don't want peace. AIPAC, far right wing don't want peace, only war and their welfare checks to keep coming.
- It would be lovely if Iran actually followed through and wiped this anachronism off the map.
- Lovely? You are vile, r6.
- [quote]And looks hot doing it.
- He is a filthy low life and I wish him death...same as Arafat.
- Let the Israelis and Iranians amuse us by bankrupting each other with a pointless nuclear arms race; Capellans welcome this.
- Bibi's been saying Iran was about to get the bomb for 20 years now. He's Right-wing American trash. He hates darkie Obama, and backed Rmoney. He blasted Obama for saying that Israel needs to get the fuck off of land that wasn't agreed upon - exactly the same as what Bush said. Instead of yelling at Bush, he blasts Obama.
- No one buys Israel as the consummate victim anymore. With the internet and more reliable sources out there these days, no one needs to depend on the American media carrying Israel's bullshit any longer.
- [quote]Yes, he know how to stab the POTUS in the back time and time again.
It seems like it's exactly the opposite.
Didn't Obama say he wouldn't let N.Korea get nuclear weapons?
Didn't Obama say that Asaad using chemical weapons was a red line?
Didn't Obama say he wouldn't let Iran get nuclear weapons?
It took years to implement these sanctions and now he can't wait to start lifting them for nothing in return.
r6 it would be nice if someone wiped you off the earth.
r5 How is it that Israel is the one who wants war as you say when it's the Iranians that have been making daily genocidal threats against them for at least a decade?
And to the OP, I guess you missed the intervention by the French against the ridiculous deal they were about to reach AND the Saudi objections AND the Gulf states, right?
- You said it better than I could, r13.
- I'll translate R13: Poor wittle Israel.
It's Iraq all over again. Israel isn't happy unless every American is under the delusion that Israel is surrounded by big, bad evil A-rabs and I-ranians who wake up every morning screaming "Death to Israel!"
Don't worry, sweetheart, almost all of Congress is so far up Israel's ass that they'll make sure the president is tarred and feathered if he doesn't answer to "Bibi."
I suggest you Israel defenders keep in mind that the biggest threat to Israel isn't Iran, it's internal. It's those rabid settlers and those violent Eastern Europeans you've got coming into that country.
Keep up with the hyperbole because I enjoy watching Israel ignore it's real problems as they exaggerate the threat from other countries which is solely for financial and political gain.
Disgusting foreign policy held hostage to this day by that little hellhole.
- R12 looks like our buddy R13 has been watching only Fox and avoiding reliable sources. lol
- r13 = Brietbart
- "Obama doesn't see North Korea launching nuclear weapon"
President Obama doubts that North Korea has the capacity to launch a nuclear attack, he said in an interview released Tuesday, but is nonetheless making sure the United States is prepared for "every contingency out there."
“Based on our current intelligence assessments we do not think that they have that capacity,” Obama said in an interview with NBC News conducted Monday, just before the Boston Marathon explosions.
Even so, he said, “we have to make sure that we are dealing with every contingency out there. And that's why I've repositioned missile defense systems to guard against any miscalculation on their part."
Monday was a major holiday in North Korea, the 101st anniversary of the birth of Kim Il Sung, the country's founder and grandfather of current leader Kim Jong Un. Though Pyongyang has in recent years used the day to show its military strength, Monday passed without the missile test that many anticipated. Though that could be a sign that Kim is being cautious about going too far in his provocations, Obama said he still expects to see more bluster from Pyongyang.
“North Korea will probably make more provocative moves over the next several weeks,” he said. “But our hope is that we can contain it and that we can move into a different phase in which they try to work through diplomatically some of these issues so that they can get back on a path where they're actually feeding their people.”
The United States, South Korea and other allies are open to talks with Pyongyang, but only if Kim backs down from his "provocative behavior," Obama said.
“You don’t get to bang your spoon on the table and somehow you get your way."
- Is al Arabiya good enough for you, r16?
[quote]Iran still shouts ‘death to America and Israel’ Friday, 8 November 2013 Majid Rafizadeh
[quote]This past Monday marked the 34th anniversary of the takeover of the U.S. embassy in Iran, leading to 52 Americans being held hostage for several months. Contrary to what many analysts thought, and despite the recent “thaw” and optimism considering rapprochement between Iranian authorities and American leaders, tens of thousands of Iranian demonstrators packed the streets outside of the former U.S. embassy in Tehran this year. Hundreds of thousands also demonstrated against Israel and the U.S. in other cities across the country.
[quote]The protests were unprecedented in their scale and scope, reported as the biggest anti-U.S. and anti-Israel rally in years. According to Iran’s official media, millions of people participated in these protests and demonstrations around the country, the largest turnout in years.
- Looks like idiots like r15, r16 and r17 know dickall about the ME and what's happening there, what you see, you don't understand and if anything happens to contradict your predetermined opinions, you ignore it or even lie about it.
You are the left wing nuts who can't deal with reality, who know nothing about anything and who scream at EVERYBODY who disagrees with them that they are freepers.
And no, I don't watch Fox and haven't done so in more than a decade.
- [quote]Didn't Obama say that Asaad using chemical weapons was a red line?
First of all, it's ASSad.
Second - Yes, he did say that, and the US said no to intervening in a civil war.
Obama is not KING Obama.
You're a nutcase Neo-con.
- r19, r20 = Megaphone desktop tool
[quote]You are the left wing nuts who can't deal with reality
- [quote]Megaphone desktop tool
Oh crap. The Israel-obsessed freak is back to haunt us.
- r19's "article" is only listed on every far Right blog and Free Republic, not to mention that same exact story was reported in 2009. lol.
You think the people whose houses were bulldozed down by Israel are going to welcome it with a bouquet of roses? Are you that brain dead?
Bibi never apologized for the Gaza flotilla raid.
Everyone knows no one likes each other in the Middle East. Tough shit. If you don't like the region, move. Stop taking our tax dollars for your holy war.
- No, I'm not a Neocon.
I'm just more realistic than you and your lot. You see reality in a completely binary manner where there are people who think like you or right wing freaks. There couldn't possibly be anything in between and if someone is a liberal, they have to always think a certain something about everything (and exactly like you) and if they don't, they have to be the opposite of what you are.
You are infantile.
- The world would be a better, safer place without Israel in it. Did you know that the United States does NOT have a signed mutual defense treaty with Israel?
People thing we do, but we don't. We could walk away from them and their arrogance in a NY second with our heads held high.
And finally, the Palestinians can get their land back.
- [quote]Bibi never apologized for the Gaza flotilla raid.
Good. He shouldn't.
- Oy vay! R27!
- Thanks for confirming it r23.
- r27 = sociopath
- Why should Israel apologize to Turkey for anything after Turkey exposed Israel's Iranian spies?
- R20 we aren't screaming. looks like you right. we are just lol-ing at your ignorance to reality. Go live in Israel and tell the dumbos there that I do not want to give any cent for their looney land.
- Which country in the Middle East has nuclear weapons?
- You haven't been paying attention. Netanyahu unfortunately did apologize at Obama's "request". He made him apologize to the demented Turk who sent a flotilla of terrorists to attack a country that was its ally.
It's touching to see how some here care so much about 9 dead terrorists. So much more important than say, 200,000 slaughtered in Syria in 3 years.
It's good to have priorities.
- [quote]You are the left wing nuts who can't deal with reality, who know nothing about anything and who scream at EVERYBODY who disagrees with them that they are freepers.
Part of my family is Palestinian Christian and Israeli Jews are pretty much some of the most racist, violent and power mad assholes on earth, but you keep sitting on your ass staring at a screen and telling everyone what it's really like over there when I know firsthand what it's like. You're not a freeper, you're just a liar like most of Israel's bullshitters. You may not consider yourself a freeper, but it's no accident that some of Israel's staunchest allies are freepers. People like Palin, Hannity, Limbaugh and Glenn Beck are on YOUR side. Or those televangelist lunatics.
Bob Simon got shit for finally being honest. A man who has reported from that country for decades could no longer act like it was a fair fight.
Keep lying about what goes on. You're on the wrong side of history.
- [quote]It's touching to see how some here care so much about 9 dead terrorists. So much more important than say, 200,000 slaughtered in Syria in 3 years.
TERRORISTS? You racist fuck. How were they terrorists??? Did they have bombs on them? Israel claimed they were "terrorists." You are such a low life.
Don't you dare mention the dead Syrians, you disingenuous douchebag. You're about as sincere as the rightwing idiots who mentioned Saddam killing his own people. Just STFU and don't mention dead people you couldn't give a shit about.
- They armed themselves, r36, and they attacked the Israeli soldiers. They had no business being there in the first place.
P.S. The Mavi Marmara was a passenger ship. It wasn't bringing supplies, just people.
- r35 The only hypocrite and liar here is you especially if you're indeed a Christian Palestinian.
The only place where Christians live in peace in the Muslim and Arab world is in Israel. Go ask your Christian brothers in the Palestinian territories how "well" they are treated by the Muslims. Go to Bethlehem and see how a once 90% majority Christian city is left with 40%. It's not the "racist Israelis" that pushed them out.
- Israel has been sucking on our tit for decades. We pay for their universal heath care, while we have shit.
I saw they have become worse then their enemies. I have no use for the Israeli government. They are just plain evil.
- Right on, R15. And while we're at it, Israel should practice what it preaches and recognize the Armenian/Greek/Assyrian Genocide instead of siding with the inheritors of the perpetrating Turkish government. What Israel is doing is the equivalent of being a Nazi collaborator!
- Israel is making one big mistake after another under BN. They are very lucky the Arab world is in disarray: otherwise, the strategic shift against them would be more obvious. In the end their best play is to get the Sauds killed, move the Hashemites to Arabia for a constitutional monarchy and make Jordan the "Republic of Palestine."
- HOLOCAUST, ROSE! HOLOCAUST, HOLOCAUST, HOLOCAUST!
- R46? R13 wrote nothing about the Holocaust.
You freaks are usually the ones who bring it up. Fond memories?
- [quote]There's the fact that Jews have been discriminated against or even kicked out of practically every European country at some point in time.
The common denominator being...
- [quote]I have been to the Occupied Palestinian Territory, and I have witnessed the racially segregated roads and housing that reminded me so much of the conditions we experienced in South Africa under the racist system of Apartheid.
- And Tutu lied. The roads are separated on nationality, not race. I.e, Israelis, including Israeli Arabs, can use certain roads that Palestinians can't.
- R44 The Greek/Assyrian/Armenian Genocide that the Ottoman Turks perpetrated didn't include Jews in that genocide so Israel doesn't really care unfortunately. Israel only cares about talking what the Germans(and other Europeans) had done to them.You also do hear about the dhimmitude(how they like Christians were second class citizens when Muslims ruled them) they suffered under Muslims as well. Which BTW wasn't as bad as what the Europeans had done to them but somehow the narrative has changed with the Palestinian conflict. Like many other nations on earth they are concerned with themselves first and everyone else secondly.
- Israel has tried to maintain ties with Turkey, because it's one of the few majority Muslim countries willing to talk directly with Israel. That's why Israel has withheld a statement on the Turkish genocide of Christians.
- And you're saying that's ok, R54?
- R55 Greece and Rome were "pagans" darling. The Renaissance was a return to Greco-Roman values NOT Semitic ones.
- Anyone who tolerated the Nazi regime for political expediency is vilified. And yet, R56 suggests that we are to be 'understanding' about Israel's friendly relations with Turkey and stance on the Assyrian-Armenian-Greek genocide. Hypocrisy at its best.
- So, r62, where is your outrage about Netanyahu being expected to APOLOGIZE to Turkey?
- Why don't you answer the question, R62, instead of trotting out something else? Netanyahu and Erdogan are different sides of the same coin anyway.
- Verbal gymnastics will not save you R65. And it is clear that you are not here to dialogue but to pontificate.
- The Arabs, including the Palestinians, failed to defeat Israel in battle so they (brilliantly on their part) decided that their best bet is turning a religious/territorial/cultural conflict into a "racial" dispute. Brand the Jews/Israelis racists, call it all apartheid and the west will swallow and ask for seconds and thirds.
It always makes me laugh when I hear Arabs talk about bigotry and "racism" when their own "holy" book is a Nazi supremacist manifesto if there ever was one. It's not based on racial ideas but it's "hate, kill and subjugate" anyone who isn't a muslim and specifically muslim men because they hate and persecute half the world, the female kind.
Read it and weep.
- Kikes did 9/11 and half the world knows it.
- Israel is doing all of the persecuting now...from what I've seen in the states all of the older Jews are racist...even after what they suffered through.
- Israel was doing business with Apartheid South Africa when everyone else stopped.
- Fuck Israel, I have to admit, I wish it had never been created...it's been a horror show ever since. If you think the rise of fanatical Muslims isn't a direct response to Israel and their militant attitude, you'd be wrong.
- [quote]Which country in the Middle East has nuclear weapons?
Saudi Arabia, having bought them from Pakistan
- Check this out:
- Watch these videos in the link for the truth:
- 911 was controlled demolition and anyone with an ounce of intelligence can see that and see that the jew controlled media/government's story is fake as hell.
- The Holocaust is a hoax which is exactly why the jews are desperate to ban any discussion and investigation into it, they are already jailing tons of Europeans who question anything about it so people won't look into it.
"Truth doesn't fear investigation."
Jews were pushing the '6 million' number hundreds or even thousands of times before WWII, even as far back as the 1800's! This is well documented. Then they repackaged it again for the WWII story/Hollywood fabrication. The victors get to write history:
- Our entire foreign policy is about Israel.
- Just a small sampling:
- Wow, r83.
- Copy and save these links before they get deleted.
- Jews play the victim and call everything 'hate' in order to scare people into even so much as watching a simply video or questioning things.
- "It's a Trick, We Always Use It." (calling people "anti-Semitic")
- gotta love this one
- [quote]Some Jews in Pine Bush, New York, are really fucking up everything for this one nice school district in their blatant “money grab” (such Jews!) lawsuit just because their kids were constantly getting beaten up for being Jews, and having swastikas drawn on their faces for being Jews, and having coins flung at them for being Jews, and some other totally normal stuff you would do to Jews. After all, it is not the fault of Pine Bush, where nice grown ups just stone cold volunteer to New York Times reporters that all those Jews aren’t wanted there, nor is it the fault of school administrators, who are like, “wouldn’t it be easier if you just moved?”
[quote]Nope, it is definitely the Jew parents, and the Jew kids, and their (presumably Jew) lawyers, who should have known better than to live in Pine Bush and be Jewish, thereby forcing all the students to beat them up and the teachers to ignore it, and also forcing the teachers and administrators to leave up all the swastikas inside their classrooms for “months at a time.” Everybody knows being Jewish is the real anti-Semitism, probably.
- Sorry R88, but crying 'anti semitism' and making references to Germany aren't enough to shut down critical thinking and honest questions anymore.
- Spare yourselves the bullshit at R83 (and all his/her other links). It almost had me going until they bring up the evils of Communism, for which Jews are responsible, of course.
Netanyahu and his friends may be up to shady shit, but I don't see what that has to do with the general population at large in Israel or the Palestinian territories. Do you honestly think they're going to just pack up now, and go where? In any case none of this is my business, not my land, not my people.
- The only defense of the jews is always: "Your points don't matter, we are the eternal victims who cannot be questioned. Proof of this? We said so." That's always their response to short circuit people, painting themselves as victims and appealing to emotions(manipulation). They are scared that everyone is waking up.
Start speaking out, people. You can do it, everyone can.
- Jews are not white, BTW. Jews are a race.
- Jews aren't the people of the Bible, either. That's another jew scam.
- trolldar r99 and see the Nazi antisemitic rant.
- Communism is jewish and the jews killed upwards of 50 million whites in the early 20th century, which we never hear about anymore. Men, women, and children were tortured, raped, and murdered by jews. Jews essentially accused the Germans of what they did, this is their natural MO, jew created psychology calls it 'projection'.
The hilarious jew claims of jew soap, jew lampshades, and jew shrunken heads have all been recanted because the jews didn't count on advancing science in the future to prove these claims wrong(back in the 40's).
The Anne Frank diary is also a hoax. It's written in pen and pens hadn't been mass produced and made available to the public yet. But apparently Anne Frank was allowed to have a prototype up in her attack, lol.
Jews have been fully kicked out of roughly 100 countries over the past few centuries. That would be different people who didn't know each other or in some cases even like each other, all independently deciding the jews must go.
- Look at the completely childish writing(AmeriKKKa) of R101. What a low level propagandist they are. The tricks aren't working anymore.
Jews are anti white, that is their defining factor. They are trying to genocide the white race, that is their number one goal.
- Nelson Mandela, blacks, and jews sing about killing all the whites in SA. He's no political prisoner but was rightly imprisoned for bombings and other crimes:
- My life as a college professor would be better if the US would deport all of my Iranian students. Each semester, they try to bribe me for good grades. When that doesn't work, they use threats.
I always suggest they spend their energy studying.
- If you want a small sampling of how badly the media and government lies in order to rile others up against whites, just look at the Zimmerman/Trayvon thing. A completely fabricated story from the media to get blacks to attack whites in a story where the black was in the wrong, and where the defendant wasn't even white!
It's the jews, stupid.
- Nice try, R109. Nobody believes the anti white jew fabrications anymore. People are now questioning almost everything now after getting scammed so badly every day.
Jews brought the black slaves to the USA(and elsewhere too) as well as white slaves. Whites are the least slave owning race in history, jews are the most enslaving race by far.
Israel is full of sex slaves abducted from other countries. Even Louis Farrakhan has been sent tons of info about the jewish slave trade and has been speaking about it for years.
- What you describe R110, is very common in the rest of the world. Don't single out the Iranians.
- I'm just going to say it. I am sick to death of Jews, Palestine, Jerusalem, and the whole annoying bag of shit. We're constantly hamstrung by these fuckers, constantly have to give them money, and they still would turn on us in a heartbeat. Or, you know, hide Bin Laden.
- Bernstein says jews lied and used 911 as a pretext to remake the world to their liking, awkward looks all around from the other talking head jew tools:
- I don't like Farrakan, but my point was that a lot of black movers and shakers know the jews were the enslavers.
- Tikkun Olam everyone! Fix the world to suit our worldview!
- If the protocols of the elders of zion are a hoax, then why has everything in them come true? The hoaxers must've been psychics! Nope, shut down your logical thinking and deductive skills, people, nothing to see here...just turn on American Idol or basketball.
- Obama is a jew, his maternal side of the family are all commie jew rats, his grandparents were both blatantly jewish looking.
Most of Obama's administration is brimming with jews.
- Don't forget to SAVE and SHARE all these links with everyone you know, all across the political, religious, and racial spectrum(barring jews of course).
- Right, of course they made their first few bucks trading slaves, all so they could bide their time and launch an invasion of Palestine in the 20th century. Why not just take over any one of the European countries or even America if they hold such sway in the world. That desert patch isn't all that valuable, even for religious reasons.
- Jew obsession is nothing new for Datalounge. But it's been many years since I've seen Holocaust denial around here.
- All of these public shootings(and the boston bombing) are all staged/fake to take away guns(just like the jews did 100 years ago, so they could slaughter whites). The amount of evidence that this crap is staged is staggering, I could be here all day posting links about those things, those incidents are an easy first step/entry into what is going on. Very obvious.
The Mossad didn't pull those off very well and a large percent of the public knows this.
- That's the little sideshow for the gullible public R127, just like the fake elections and the fake 'two sides', jews run the whole thing and there are no two sides.
- Yes, R119, I guess you are using Israel's sterling track record as a barometer? Some of the greatest persecutions going on in the world right now, Palestinians aside, are Christians in Israel. They are spat on while walking down the street but you won't be reading that often in the mainstream news.
- R130, I'd send you to an oven without a second thought. And then I'd paint a picture of it.
- Jew admits that jews will be resented for turning white countries into non white countries, jews don't advocate that non white countries become white:
- r114, I get your point. But I have students from 22 countries across five classes. Only the Iranian students bribe and threaten. I've talked to professors at other universities and they say the same thing (a friend at UCLA was threatened and the University quietly assigned extra security to him while the Iranian student was investigated and, eventually, expelled).
The sad thing is that there are good Iranian students somewhere but, given what happens to often w/ their countrymen/women, I would never hire an Iranian because I would have to assume they illegitimately rec'd their grades/degrees.
- There is one, and only one, country in the middle east where the Christian population is rising. It's Israel.
Christians are being kidnapped, raped, looted and even murdered in Egypt. Their churches are being burned. Christians are under attack in Syria and Pakistan. Christian preachers have been jailed in Iran. So what do you obsess over? Israel.
- Proof that the ten planks of the Communist Manifesto have already been implemented into the USA with nobody commenting on it, THE PROOF IN THE VIDEO IS UNDENIABLE. They hadn't been implmented a few short decades ago, watch the video or don't comment on it:
- Everyone in LA knows jews run the porn industry(and Hollywood too but that goes without saying), well guess what, they also run the sex slave industry and always have. Organized crime is hardly 'Italian', nor is communism 'Russian'. Two more fall guys for the jews.
Lots of sex slavery in the jew dominated Las Vegas, BTW.
- SAVE THOSE LINKS AND UPLOAD THEM AGAIN HERE AND AT OTHER WEBSITES, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE JEWS START LYING AND PLAYING THE VICTIM. SPREAD THEM ALL AROUND THE NET AND TO PEOPLE YOU KNOW. SPAM THE HELL OUT OF THEM!
- Marlon Brando: Hollywood is run and owned by jews:
- Is this thread just a crazy, freakish joke now? I'm definitely laughing at it - big time.
- Jews started WWII, not the Germans.
- How about the many pictures of many US presidents signing things while surrounding by a ton of Hasidic jews:
- “To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.”- voltaire
- The jews STOLE from Edison in order to use his work for their propaganda mill they set up away from him(Hollywood). Israel is a parasite nation, jews cannot exist on their own! Look at all the funding they get.
- Muslims, R148?
- About the jews being constantly kicked out of other countries(look it up). Are the jews always in the right and EVERYONE ELSE IS ALWAYS WRONG, or is everyone else right and the jews were committing atrocities? Why do jews always get the benefit of the doubt over the claims of numerous other groups?
Like someone said, if you get kicked out of a bar or two, you could reasonably argue that you were the victim and the owner was no good and was the liar. GET KICKED OUT OF A HUNDRED BARS, and clearly you are the problem, it's not a conspiracy of 100 unrelated owners against you.
Use some common sense, people!
- Yeah R151, everyone knows the Muslims run Hollywood, the media, the government, banking, schooling, printing, and so on.
- How the jews run and control everything through the jewish owned, private bank The Federal Reserve. Also, most countries have a central jew run bank just like this. Easily one of the best videos of all time:
- How the Goyim Get Swindled Part 2:
- How about the Jew's Talmud, which claims that Jesus is boiling in excrement? How many Christians(or anybody) knows about this line, and many other disgusting ones(notice the well known jewish fecal obsession), or even about this book to begin with? Most Chrsitians actually believe Judaism is based on the first 5 books of the Bible!
Jews also cook the books with the Talmud, they'll point to a sanitized version when non jews enquire about it.
- The term 'anti semitism' is a trick, because it posits that every criticism of jews is biased, that they are a people that can do no wrong. As if it's wrong(hate) to be against a group that is doing wrong.
- My favorite line from Joel Stein's LA Times column: "But I don't care if Americans think we're running the news media, Hollywood, Wall Street or the government. I just care that we get to keep running them."
I suppose I'm 'anti semtitic' for quoting a jew, right?
- Why do jews(not just public jews) frequently change their names and their physical looks? The majority of jews hide the fact that they are jewish. They act like a race of criminals.
- Giant menorah on the white house lawn, Obama(or whoever the hell he is) celebrates Passover regularly.
- Naive but goodhearted police officer who busted the 'dancing Israelis' during 911 speaks:
- Jewish spies and terrorists posing as art students:
- We'll Never Stop Trying to Instigate a Nuclear Holocaust, Vow Israeli Wingnuts And Their American Wingnut Enablers
- There is a video I'm trying to find that I watched recently. It had jew Chuck Schumer speaking at a Synagogue in early 2008, mentioning the jews who started Obama in his political career and fostered it. Shcumer must've let his guard down around his brethren and forgot he was being recorded.
Also of note, Schumer insists to the audience of jews that Obama was 100% pro jewish from the very beginning, and not like the other politicans who 'earn it later'. Hilarious admission that Obama is a totally pro jew, and also that all the other political hacks that come in learn to be pro jewish if they want to get anywhere(or don't want to be killed).
All the politicians, if not jews themselves, are controlled through bribes, blackmail, and threats. That's how jews operate.
- Other countries where Christians are being persecuted are not being overlooked. No one's obsessing, R136, unless you count yourself.
- Former Obama friend from the 70's exposes Obama and said his identity is a complete fabrication. Forget the goofy as hell fake picture of Obama in drag, the people on the show put up the wrong/fake picture, but apparently this is a legit one of Obama in drag:
- The fact that jews get scared and call it 'anti semitism' when someone so much as points out that they are a jew is extremely telling.
- Are the mods going to do anything about this antisemitic meltdown all over the thread?
- The Bushes, Pelosi, Palin, Biden, and many others, including many Hollywood stars you wouldn't figure, are part of the tribe, too.
- Please explain 'anti semitism' to us, R169. An anti semite is someone that a jew doesn't like, correct?
- That explains why George W. Bush looks like a cross between a vampire and an ape.
- Hey R169, how about you refute some of the claims here or try to explain them away? Oh sorry, you can't win without a fixed media with your stage players, open debate to jews is like sunlight to vampires. Also, the vampire is based off of jews.
PS, I think that Ann Coulter is a jew.
- The main reason that jews have been kicked out of all of these countries, even beyond the parasitic banking control and destruction of the host nations, is Jewish Ritual Murder, and the reality is that jews have engaged in it for thousands of years. It was usually the final straw. This is what caused the expulsion in most of these countries.
It's an accusation so frequently made that the jews had to make a fake name for it to take control of the discussion and position themselves as innocents, calling it 'Blood Libel'.
Kind of like calling people who tell the truth about the Holohoax 'revisionists', or 'Holocaust Deniers'.
It is extremely well documented and has been claimed and vetted by numerous peoples over the centuries. All over Europe are statues and artistic depictions like this of child martyrs, who the Catholic Church made saints.
They try to recreate the torture that they did to Jesus with abducted white children:
- What is the name of Martin Luther's, the founder of Protestantism, famous book? 'On the Jews and Their Lies'. Why don't the Catholic and Protestant churches teach people about this? Other religions and races discuss these things openly and don't have a stigma against it.
The Catholic church has tons of documentation about numerous jewish ritual murder cases from throughout the centuries, but of course they been overtaken too, and for decades have been going around and taking down/destroying the statues of these martyrs. It's all about jewish payoffs, jews have an endless supply of fake 'money' because they control banking.
Almost all of the churches are 501c3, tax exempt churches that must follow government guidelines about what to preach, that is why.
They almost all also belong to the World Council of Churches, and to another similar, and similarly named group(both of which are like the UN for churches), both of which were openly founded by communists. The communist(read: jewish) foundings of these groups are extremely well know, and barely even hidden or denied as far as I can recall.
Look this up and don't dismiss it, really think about it, read everything and put two and two together. Jewish ritual murder is a historical fact. The Italians found a jewish snuff film with a child in it and aired it on TV in around 2000 or so, put their careers on the line and all got fired, the Italian public saw it on TV, but of course the rest of the world ignored(buried) the story.
- Jesus was not a jew, Jesus was white. Every jew on earth knows that Jesus wasn't a jew, and they all hate Jesus. They consider their biggest accomplishment to be killing Jesus.
The jews are not the chosen people/Israelites/Hebrews of the Bible, the white race is. All of the promises and prophecies regarding the Israelites are only fulfilled by the white race, and certainly not by the jews. There is an enormous amount of evidence showing the Israelites were and are white.
Israel was never a country in the Bible, but was a man, and later on Israel referred to all of this man's descendants(why don't the churches say this?). Never once in the Bible does it say that there were two chosen groups(Jews and Christians). The 'chosen-ness' never transitioned from one group to another. It's all about one people all the way down the line. Read it if you don't believe me.
Even such a simple question such as "How can the jews be the chosen people of the Bible when they reject Jesus?" Is enough to start unraveling the scam. Again, there can't be two chosen groups.
Even by Jesus' own Biblical definition, the jews are antichrist.
The truth is coming out fast and everyone is talking about it and the jews are scared. Wake up and speak out. Stop being a slave.
This may make me unpopular at DL, but I don't care because it's the truth. And perhaps people you know should know about it, too.
Another quote regarding the holohoax, or even regarding the jews doing 9/11 and how you aren't supposed to mention it: "The taboo is the proof".
Why is there no taboo for saying this against any other group on earth? Why are people AFRAID of criticizing jews in particular, far more than any other group?
If the Irish, Vietnamese, or whoever started having rumors of them doing 9/11, how would they(and others) react? They'd just laugh it off and wouldn't take it seriously. Because it's self evident that they or any other number of groups didn't do it, or don't control banking for example. NOT SO WITH THE JEWS. THE EVIDENCE THAT JEWS ARE BEHIND THESE THINGS IS UNDENIABLE, WHICH EXPLAINS THE JEWS' WELL KNOW CONSTANT STATE OF PARANOIA.
The jews, their media, and the brainwashed society react very differently towards accusing jews, as we all know.
And if you don't believe all of my claims here on this thread, get testy with a jew and mention the facts I've shown here and watch the fear, hysteria, and paranoia unleashed. They will try to shout you down and turn the tables and conversation towards you with accusation to change the topic, a classic jew tactic.
A good question to ask the brainwashed 'judeo Christians(a complete oxymoron): "If jews are a religion(they're actually a race), and you think the jews are the chosen people, then why don't you walk on down to a synagogue and become a chosen person yourself?" I doubt they'll be able to answer that.
- Never heard of him, R176. Is your worldview so limited that you think there aren't millions of individuals from all walks of life that know what jews are really like? The truth cannot be hidden for long.
If you are an honest enquirer who simply isn't aware of these things then I'd suggest you consider what I'm saying and take my warnings very seriously and do a lot of research rather than making an emotional knee jerk reaction against this information. Funny how most non jews who 'know' that these things aren't true are completely unwilling to do any research at all.
- I'd also advise for you people to show this thread to as many other people as you can. The thread and the links will probably be yanked quickly, because the jews are the people that must never be questioned.
PS: Lady Gaga is just about the most obvious rat faced jew in the world.
- I don’t want to alarm you, R179 and R180, but there have been rumors that your grandmothers were Jewish.
- r181 stop feeding the psycho. Let him jerk off to his bile until the mods ban him.
- Hi R135, there are countless articles in the press about this phenomenon. For example, more than 40% of parents pay bribes for education in Ghana. Offering bribes to teachers is also extremely popular in Turkey, China, Russia, Cambodia, and the list goes on. Did I misunderstand? Maybe one of your points is that its OK to adhere to the prevailing culture when these people tolerate bribery as a way of life in their own countries, but that it's not OK once they emigrate to the US and that your Iranian students in particular are the ones who did not learn this lesson?
- R65, there's a terrific website, www.NoPlaceForDenial.com, that explains all about how some (but of course not all) Jewish American lobbying groups deny the Armenian genocide while asking others to acknowledge the Holocaust. Hypocrisy. Check it out.
The groups are the ADL, AIPAC, AJC, JINSA and similar organizations. They have helped Turkey defeat the Armenian genocide resolution in the US Congress.
- [quote][R179]: Everything you put there has been refuted. No need to look at any of it.
Well there you have it folks! Whatever you do don't look at a single link. It's all been refuted! That's all the media has to say to put people to sleep, isn't it? This poster is scared out of his mind that you are going to wake up and look at the links and so he is playing it cool and casual. "It's all been refuted". Yeah, like the jews themselves bragging they run Hollywood and the media for instance? Yeah, it's all been refuted. LOL.
I guess this poster is right, a ragtag group of camel jockeys have held the world hostage in fear for over a decade and it took a decade to find their leader. The group hid out in caves and the leader was on a dialysis machine and all the intelligence in the world couldn't find them. And our entire way of life had to change, and freedoms had to be taken, and we needed an Orwellian government monitoring is to find the boogeyman, I mean terrorists. It's all for our good!
And the camel jockeys took a plane hostage with BOXCUTTERS and all the people went to their certain deaths for fear of said boxcutters!
And we conveniently found the terrorists. passports in the debris of the WTC. They were explosion proof...must've been double laminated or something.
And WTC building 7 fell for no reason with barely a peep from the media.(even though the jew Larry Silverstein admits on tape to it being detonated.) Most people don't even know about it or that it fell, that's how much the government has downplayed it.
And lucky Larry took massive amounts of insurance out on the WTC months before 9/11 when he bought the place, far exceeding their worth which he walked away with. And lucky Larry also admitted to skipping work that day for something like a doctors visit(can't remember). The rumor in NYC is a lot of jews luckily knew not to go to the WTC or surrounding areas that day.
And how is it that the 'exhaustive' 9/11 report involving all those famous politicians who 'investigated' into 9/11 didn't include a single mention of WTC building 7 falling? Yeah sure, not a single person in the government was aware of it, right? No, it couldn't be that they didn't want people reading the report to be aware of it...
It's been decades since I last turned on the TV an there wasn't a mention of poor Israel/jews. I don't think they've missed a single day. Maybe I was just imagining things, maybe I need a jews shrink and to be drugged.
- Anyone who can't see that the WTC was demolition is nuts. As if our government can't figure it out, too. Yeah okay.
The jews' star of david(it is no such thing because King David was a white Israelite and not a jew, jews have nothing to do with the people of the Bible) is actually a hexagram(a satanic symbol), and is a visual and symbolic 666. Used when invoking spells or evil(a hex).
What are the three aspects of it that can be discerned visually? It is a veiled 666, or 3 sixes are apparent.
The hexagram is made up of: 6 lines, 6 triangles, and 6 points. It's a 666, many have pointed this out and known about it for years. Many diagrams online discussing it.
It's right in our faces, they are identified by this satanic symbol.
- Many juicy quotes from the jews themselves about themselves from over the years, look them up.
In jews our books they brag that judaism is synonymous with communism and far worse things, often coming from Rabbis. These are from their own books a lot of the time.
- President Nixon & Reverend Billy Graham Discuss Jewish control of Media.flv
- [quote][R179]: Everything you put there has been refuted. No need to look at any of it.
No it hasn't. Is this remark supposed to be a substitution for you actually, you know, having to refute things? You are banking on the gullibility of others. Move along folks, there is no man behind the curtain! If you are so familiar with the refutations of EVERYTHING on this thread, then please refute them, know it all jew! Come on, let's hear it.
Notice how this jew, true to his tribe, tells us what you think, without having substance or a basis for what they are saying. We are just supposed to believe the jews simply because they said it, which is the way the media and the government is. You must take the jews on faith is the message we constantly get.
- Just a few quotes about jews:
- The fact that I hate Israel and Netanyahu has absolutely nothing to do with the way I feel about Jewish people.
The way I feel about our American government seems to have a lot to do with my disrespect for Republicans or maybe vice versa?
- Many believe the jews murdered JFK because he didn't want the Vietnam War, and much more importantly, that he was going to destroy the jews' illegal, privately owned Federal Reserve.
- Jews also run the legal system and psychology/psychiatry. The pervert Freud, which is the basis for so much of the quackery around today, said that men wanted to have sex with their mom, kill their dad, and play with their feces.
So basically he was describing the jew nature here, this is a good insight into their minds. Also so much of what he and the jews taught is not only about the jews' own perversions, but is a calculated way to brainwash or control non jews, or to excuse criminals(so and so was insane when murdering).
- Why do jews have big noses? Because air is free.
- Didn't say Nixon was good, surely he was controlled by the jews. He and Graham(a jew tool for 'Judeo Christianity') were both rigth, even if they were both jew tools.
- Marx Lenin Trotsky Stalin, all jews of course. Surely just a coincidence.
"Not all communists are jews, but all jews are communists".
Look up the horrors and tortures that jews did to the whites in Russia and Eastern Europe, even to children and babies. Look up the Holodomor, where jews starved millions of Ukrainians. LOOK ALL OF THIS UP.
Look at the murders of an enormous amount of Germans AFTER WWII WAS OVER.
You people watch a movie and think it's reality. How easy you are deceived. The Holohoax is a profound emotional manipulation which totally destroys all rational thinking. It was a case of the jews accusing others of what they themselves do.
The non jews in here defending jews, excusing their atrocities, or those too afraid to even question or look things up should be ashamed of themselves. Wake up before it's too late.
Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.
- I'm glad that Farrakhan hates the jews, everyone should hate the jews. Why? Because the jews hate and terrorize all non jews all throughout history.
- The fighting here resembles that of New Coke versus Diet Pepsi versus RC. Too many -isms and investment in these manmade doctrines.
Of course the Abrahamic religions fighting among themselves is only repeated among the Dharmic and Daoist religions in central and east Asia.
It is inevitable that all nations, religions and the heterosexual dictatorship will be replaced by a secular global village in which there will be no more superstitions to fight over.
- [quote]The Holocaust was fucking real. I can only trace back my ancestry four generations. Thanks a lot, goyim!
Your entire family was wiped out? How is that possible? Surely they had family that came before them, and you're alive, so someone survived.
- [quote]I would never hire an Iranian because I would have to assume they illegitimately rec'd their grades/degrees.
You're an ugly, ignorant fuck.
- Two great heroes of the 20th century, Henry Ford and Charles Lindbergh, both told the truth about the jews. This was back before we had no talent, jewish created celebrities, these were real achievers who didn't need to be artificially created and pumped up, but were organically occurring phenomenons.
Now aside from the jewish controlled elections and politicians, people said that if Lindbergh had wanted to be president, he could've won a true election in a breeze, that's how highly he was regarded by the public. And Ford revolutionized the workforce and the way we live our daily lives.
The Lindbergh baby kidnapping and murder, one of the most famous crimes of the 20th century, is widely believed to have been a case of Jewish Ritual Murder. The jews killed two birds with one stone with this murder, they got revenge on Lindbergh for telling the truth about the jews, and then they blamed it on a German patsy to create anti German sentiment amongst the public, gearing up to WWII.
Henry Ford spent years of his life and his personal fortune on creating and giving a four volume set of books to every single person who bought a Ford car, they came with the car free of charge. Millions of people were w woken up about the jews by these books.
These were good men who were telling the truth, back before all the celebrities, politicians, and public figures were all bought off, craven jew tools(like today). Back before there was a major stigma and fear of saying the obvious truth, these men were widely respected by the public, and they were openly anti jewish.
But that all changed soon when the major stigma came in, the profound emotional psy-op/brainwashing of the Holohoax which has since made the jews beyond reproach. Ask some of the elders in your family about what they thought of Ford and Lindbergh.
PS: Hitler was Time Magazine's person of the year one year(probably since reframed by Time Magazine) and was loved and respected as a freedom fighter(aside from the jew press and the Hollywood movies, of course), until history was rewritten after WWII. The victor gets to rewrite history.
What always happens is that the jews always hide and cover up the evils of the jews, and all you see is the outrage and reaction of their victims. It's like if you have a videotape of a fight, where one guy out of nowhere attacks an innocent person, and then the innocent person fights back. And the jew edits the tape and all you see is the reaction to the jew attack, which was edited out. So you are left with sympathy for the jews(sympathy for the devil). Righteous indignation now looks like evil, pointless aggression.
It's the same thing every time. Remember all those countries they've been kicked out of? Is the jew always right and everybody else is wrong, or is everybody else right and the jew is wrong? Remember, it's numerous groups and peoples, far outweighing in numbers the jews, saying that the jew is wrong and that they started the fight.
So the question is, why do you blindly believe the jews without investigation? You have been brainwashed to worship and not question the jews.
- All they have to do with the fabricated documentaries about WWII(which are chock full of lies, especially about the victims and bodies, most of whom were the victims of the jews) is play horror movie music whenever showing Hitler and the Nazis to manipulate you. And they act like the Nazis were constantly goosestepping everywhere, ridiculous. DLers talk about Hollywood and media manipulation all the time, and the real lives behind the facade, you of all people should know better.
New motto for the jew defenders: "Everyone else is always wrong about the jews. There is a worldwide conspiracy involving all peoples and races against the jews." What are the odds that every single dispute between the jews and others, the jews were always right? Therefore, the jew defenders must believe that not only are the jews not the evildoers, but are clearly morally superior(by a long margin) to all other peoples on earth.
- There must also be a worldwide conspiracy amongst all people throughout the centuries, wherever jews go, to notice, I mean to frame jews as being: hypocritical to the extreme, pathological liars, avaricious, power hungry, hate filled, venomous, cruel, bloodthirsty, extremely presumptuous, worldly, materialistic, spiritually bereft, desirous of positions of power/authority over others, void of morals and of a conscience, degrading, debasing, destroying, parasitic, unable to survive without exploiting other races(look at the billions Israel receives),repellent, crass beyond belief(even to DLers), obnoxious, whining, thin skinned, quick to play the victim, thieving, scornful, extremely accusatory of others as a self defense/to change the conversation, repulsive, unclean, playing word/mind games with others(lawyers for example), deceptive, hiding things about themselves, changing their names, noses, and looks, extreme paranoia, exploiters, profiteering on the misery of others, child stealers and child murderers, enslavers, pedophiles, and so on.
Hopefully the kneejerk jew defenders in here can explain how all of these stereotypes have come about and flourish in the real world despite the jew media and jew infrastructure constantly telling/warning us that these things aren't true and that they are just 'hate'. These things persist amongst the people no matter how much they are stigmatized or afraid to say these things, and no matter how much the media and infrastructure portrays jews as being above everyone else and as being eternal victims of bizarre and unwarranted hate.
- All Chairpersons of the Fed are Jewish, and most major banks are Jewish institutions that repeatedly put us on the brink of collapse, but its wrong to say Jews control finance.
All movie and television studios and many news organizations are headed by Jews, but it is wrong to say Jews control the media.
It is impossible to run as a major political candidate without pledging eternal loyalty to Israel, but it is wrong to say Jews have undue influence in Washington.
When I look outside it is wet and water is falling from the sky, but it is wrong to say it is raining.
- This thread contains Holocaust denial. Why hasn't this been shut down?
- R215, many of those have been applied to all non-whites at some point or another. Seems like a problem white people have, yes?
I hope (though undoubtedly in vain) you don't honestly believe any of the shit you've posted here. It is really sad, and extremely disturbing. Posts should never be as long as yours, do work through your issues.
- Yes R213, wikipedia of all places is a one stop shop debunking for every point I've made. What's next? Snopes.com? Watching Schindler's List? That's some heavy duty, hard hitting, nitty gritty investigative truth right there. Jimmy Wales of wikipedia is a jew too, in case you couldn't tell. Anyone who doubts me, go look at pictures of that ugly mug. Jews watch and edit wikipedia like a hawk, especially over contentious issues.
I guess I all have to do to get truth about anything is to turn on the TV. Thanks, I never knew that things were so simple. You aren't fooling anyone anymore, jew.
Here's a good link: Lead rabbi tells 60,000 rabbis in NY: "Get rid of the Internet if you know what’s good for you."
Jews are desperate to ban the internet, just like they are banning any Holohoax discussion that isn't one way and straight from the mouths of the jews.
- Because we're not all communist cry babies, R220.
- R221, the jews say even worse about whites, and frame them as worse every single day in their media and Hollywood movies, so nice try there.
- Why did Mossad Jews get caught with bombs on the George Washington bridge on 911? Why did the dancing Israelies caught go onto an Israeli TV show in late 2001 and say about 911 "They were there to document the event". Remember, they came from Israel to document 911, it's on tape on the internet.
- Hilarious how desperate you are R226 to be invoking Trayvon of all things, everybody knows the true story about that anti white and anti gun hoax by now(which didn't even involve whites). What feeble attempts to take the discussion away from jews.
Can jews actually address issues or is it always obfuscation and topic changing with them(usually through accusations)? The jew is terrified of the discussion staying on them, they scurry away from the light of truth like cockroaches when you flip the lights on.
- Nobody believes the white hatred and historical lies spewed by the repellent jewish communist serpent faced college professors anymore. But nice try in trying to reinstall people's brainwashing through fear of condemnation, peer pressure, and bad grades.
- R228, that's a notorious video where they filmed Palestinians after handing out candy and food to them, only to film them as if they were celebrating the 911 attacks. Nice try, kike!
- Can webmaster ban/delete the psychopathic lunatic(s) that have taken over this thread?
- Whites aren't the world's problems, jews are the world's problem, and most people are figuring this out now, including the non whites. By the jews frame whites every single day.
Jews are also desperate to control debate online, watch this video:
Israel is paying internet workers to manipulate online content
- Jews main war is an information war over the internet. They are desperate the alter the online discussions and hide the truth. Just call anything they don't like 'hate'.
- Guys, stop replying to this vile pos. He's obviously soaked in jew hate and revels in it (I'm sure he pretty much hates everybody who isn't like him, including the homos. THEY ALWAYS DO).
- Look at the jew at R234 trying to make this into a gay versus straight discussion! And he's openly calling all non jews 'goyim', too. Jews try to sidetrack others by pitting groups against each other. Another sideshow, just like I said.
- Typical jew tactic at R238, muddy the conversation to get gays to identify with jews.
Here's a decent starting point to jew power and owners in the media and elsewhere:
- Sounds like r229 needs to fuck-off while taking an bath in acid.
On the other hand I'd like to see Zimmerman's jury lynched, for sure.
- Another good list showing the jewish dominance in the media, look at the top of the page for the links to other fields they are grossly overrepresented in. Two glaring exceptions that are mentioned as jews that are clearly not jews: Nicole Kidman and Paula Zahn. Probably slept with jews but certainly aren't jews:
- R242 tries so hard to portray jews as victims and correlates it to gays so that you forget every single point I've made.
THIS JEW WILL NOT ADDRESS ANY OF THE HATRED CRIMES, SUBVERSION, TREASON, EVIL, LIES, DECEPTION, POWER GRABS, WAR CRIMES, AND CONTEMPT THAT JEWS HAVE FOR ALL NON JEWS THAT I'VE BEEN SHOWING. NOR WILL HE ADDRESS ALL THE POLICE STATE MEASURES THEY MAKE TO RULE AND KILL WHO THEY LIKE.
- One of the most important things you must remember is that jews are a race and not a religion.
Morgan Freeman calls Mike Wallace white, Wallace corrects him by saying that he's actually a jew:
What does it tell you when the most fundamental fact about a group of people, that they are actually a race and not a religion, is a giant lie? Right off the bat it shows everything you think you know about them is a lie, the difference is fundamental and a core truth about identity.
- Why is this thread still here?!?!?
- A few points showing that jews are a race:
- Jews are known by their look. Although certainly not applying to all jews, everyone knows about the jew nose, and tendency to kinky hair for instance. That's genetic. So if I 'converted' would I grow a jew nose like Pinocchio(love how that story equates a big nose to lying)?
- Jews regularly talk about ancestry being jewish, their jewish lines, the mother and father, and so on.
Jews who are jewish from one parent regularly say things like, I am Irish/German on my mothers side, and jewish on my father's side. I've heard this a million times, they just identified jewishness as being genetic!
- Jews have many of their own genetic diseases(does it get more obvious, people?)
- In their media, jews openly boast about their own superiority, telling us how intelligent they are. Obviously intelligence is genetic. If I 'convert' and play jew do I become a 'genius', too? (I actually saw a Jodie Foster movie where a character compliments a jewish character, saying something like "You are so intelligent, as your people so frequently are"). LOL, could the kikes have made the propaganda more blatant?
- Most jews describe themselves as being atheist. Oh wait, I thought that Judaism was a 'religion' that believed in a God. And if that was the case, wouldn't being an atheist make them no longer a jew? And yet they are still jewish, because it's a race.
USE LOGIC TO SEE THROUGH THEIR LIES. If it doesn't make sense, then it's not true. You have a brain and you are allowed to use it.
- That's fine jew, keep posting all your links, we can hear that crap every single day on TV, in any jew controlled school, in any jew movie and so on. People are burnt out on jew lies and are becoming highly skeptical, especially about 911, the Holohoax, and our governments.
People know they are finally getting something different that isn't backed by billions of fake paper jew monopoly money, and are happen to finally get the ugly truth that is hidden under an upturned rock.
All you can do is change the topic, this isn't like your jew TV where you run the whole show, is it? JEWS CAN NEVER ALLOW AN OPEN DISCUSSION OR OPEN INVESTIGATION, THEY LOSE AND GET EXPOSED EVERY TIME. THEY MUST 'FIX' EVERY GAME.
You hateful genocidal kikes are being exposed and everyone can see this for what it is, now. The jews are the butchers, the torturers, the rapists, and the tyrants of all history, all the while pretending to be the bumbling, innocuous jokesters, the put upon victims, and the voices of moral clarity.
Thank you for admitting that you've lost the debate and that all the truths I am bringing are like holy water to a vampire, that's how desperate you are to avoid a drop of it!
- r257 needs to get back to his friends at Stormfront, where he can shout to the stars how much he hates Jews. FF for r257
- Cabal: A shadowy, nefarious group of powerful people up to no good. Comes from 'kabbalah'.
Swindle: A jew word, meaning to trick or deceive someone. In other words, to jew someone.
Chutzpah: A jew word, meaning shameless audacity, impudence. Telling a big lie and being proud of it. In other words, jews in a nutshell.
Question for all the white and non jewish posters reading this thread: Do you like being racially insulted and attacked again and again and again in this thread by a hate filled jew that wants to rule over you and exterminate you? The jew is completely revealing himself to you, attacking and pouring scorn onto all non jews. Is that okay with you? The mask comes off the jew pretty quickly when they are being exposed, they stop pretending to be for anyone but jews and show their true racial agenda. This jew is scared and all he can do is accuse and change the subject, the light must never been shined on the jews.
Here's a term that you've never once heard in the media which applies to all jews: all jews are Jewish Supremacists. You've just never heard the term before. Jews control you with words and word games and put you on the defensive("I'm not an antisemite" you say whenever a jew is attacking you and calling you names, giving them the appearance of a moral high ground).
How much longer are the rest of you willing to be degraded and attacked by the jews? Stand up for yourself and say the truth and share these links, post this thread elsewhere.
Jews did 9/11 and the Holocaust in this Holohoax.
Hilarious, a bunch of old lying jews basically giving a wink wink about the Holohoax, just laughing about it and rubbing it in our faces:
- Also of note, is how seemingly every single jew living today claims to have one or more family members who died in the Holohoax, almost every single jew says this, the numbers would be FAR BEYOND the absurd 6 million lie already pushed by the jews. Their 'chutzpah' never ends. They've changed the Holohoax story many times, including the 6 million number.
How do you best figure out the true rancid nature of the jews? By hanging around them! Many a person who felt sorry for the jews and thought they were the eternal victims have made a complete change by experiencing jews up close in person, away from the TV, the movies, the books, and the omnipresent Jewish Supremacism. The facade is gone, and many unfortunate people wake up the hard way, the jews will stab you in the back when you least expect it. They use people all the time.
The last thing the jew in this thread wants is for you to look into any of the link I've posted, to give any consideration to my words, or to share the info with others. The jew is terrified of you even looking at things, questioning things, and making logical deductions.
- Interesting article from actor Crispin Glover, he seems to know something about Steven Spielberg:
- Question for the jew in here that has made it explicit that he hates all non jews with his posts:
Can you explain to every single non jew reading this thread in great detail just how and why all non jews are so grossly morally inferior to jews and intrinsically evil? You clearly support the position that for no reason at all, and clearly unsolicited, every single non jewish group that has encountered jews has greatly slandered them, murdered them, and kicked them out of nearly every country they've ever been in which is certainly the greatest conspiracy ever committed by far.
TELL EVERY SINGLE NON JEW WHY WE ARE SO MUCH LOWER THAN YOU AND DESERVE TO BE ATTACKED, DEGRADED, AND CONTROLLED EVERY DAY BY JEWS.
Also tell us how it's only a coincidence that jews are so overwhelmingly represented in positions of power and influence, why jews aspire to areas like these such as banking, the courts, and monetary control, and every power and information choke point imaginable. It's all just a coincidence, right? With jews, every thing is 'just a coincidence'.
It's all just a coincidence that jews have last names like, gold, silver, green, diamond, ruby, and so on, I'd assume.
It's all just a coincidence that jews run Hollywood, it must simply be because 'they like art'(ever seen jewish art? lol), and they just fell into all these areas that afforded great opportunities to emotionally manipulate the masses.
So I ask the Jewish Supremacist, what makes jews so superior, and the rest of us the trash of the earth, completely evil and worthy of eradication, since we are always 'picking on you' for no reason. Explain the conspiracy.
The idea that a group of people such as the jews that wields so much enormous power and influence is an aggrieved, put upon victim is laughable. Jews attack people for even saying the word 'jew' these days.
When you used to google the word 'jew' in conjunction with something else or a name, Google even told us how 'offensive' that was. It used to say(paraphrasing): "We're as offended by hate and the search results as you are". Surely someone else in here will remember this. Hilarious. Again, the jews telling us what you think, saying that searching about jews is offensive, and trying to make us feel 'offended' with them.
Did you know that Mark Zuckerberg(another jew scam artist and thief) was awarded a CIA medal for surveillance? What did you people think Facebook was for? So you spill all your personal information.
- Engels, was a jew, too(of course).
The Communist Manifesto is basically just the codification of the jews' Talmud(and probably also the Kabbalah) into a political form. Under the guise of a 'political system' that was allegedly to try to help the world is the jews' systematic plan to enslave and destroy all non jews, whites in particular.
The Communist Manifesto goes hand in hand with The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, the Protocols just don't have the sugar coating of 'liberating the masses'.
Why did you think Communism was the 'red menace'? Because of all the blood they spilled. Hilarious that the jews told us that communism ended for the most part because a wall fell down. Could they possibly insult our intelligence any more? Joseph McCarthy was right too and was a real hero for the masses. He was murdered. And the jew controls you with one 'scary' and meaningless word regarding McCarthy: 'Mccarthyism'.
Same thing as with 'antisemitism'. Completely meaningless and substanceless, like just saying a word automatically positions the receiver as a bad guy, and the accuser as a good guy. They might as well just start calling the jew fabrication 'Al Qaeda' the boogeyman. Just be more honest jews, and start screaming 'bad guy' and 'boogeyman' instead, we've already decoded your word games.
Al Qaeda is fake and Osama bin Laden is not even a real person.
- Iran's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a crypto jew, playing the game for the media to make Israel look good and like victims. You can clearly see a classic and blatant example of 'jew face' mixed in with his arabic facial features.
- I thought Roy Bullock was retired....
- You might also want to research 'jewish sayanims'. Looks like we have a jewish sayanim right here in this thread. Here's a link to get you started.
Question, why are so many people in our government, including Michael Chertoff(head of homeland security who sent the jews caught on 911 celebrating the event and who admitted foreknowledge) dual citizens of Israel? Yes, that's a rhetorical question.
- Serpent faced Lucky Larry Silverstein who owned the WTC, normally ate breakfast every morning at Windows on the World in the WTC. Not only did he conveniently not go in that day, but neither did his son and daughter who also worked at the WTC! That's an extremely lucky family! And they also won over a billion in insurance beyond the cost of the buildings. Talk about the jockpot of all jockpots.
This all strain credulity to the max. Folks, you can't make this stuff up:
- Lucky Larry Silverstein and the jewish criminals he's associated with:
- One has to wonder why Webmaster has left this thread up and deleted all requests to remove it.
- Lucky LARRY SILVERSTEIN Confronted: NO RESPONSE on WTC7 Lies:
- All jews have to do to brainwash people, slander them, and shut people up is to use the following terms: Nazis, Hitler, Holocaust.
That's it, rinse and repeat, ad infinitum. It's a scam to shut down all debates.
Think of how much less power they'd have if they couldn't use those three words. Jews control their prey with words and by casting aspersions onto others when they feel threatened by the truth.
- With jews, there is never any substance at all, it's always "You aren't allowed to say that". And that basically describes the posts of everyone on this thread who doesn't want me saying what I'm saying. Open debate and transparency are anathema to jews. How do you get a special bubble around yourselves? Pretend to be victims. The Holohoax was the tool to make the jews beyond reproach and beyond questioning.
- R273 and R274, you have got to be kidding us with those links. What anemic attempts to separate jewry from communism. The lies just aren't working anymore. The genie is already out of the bottle.
- The Jews themselves tell us who they are:
- And possibly the best video of them all:
- Marx had a rabbi grandfather. Marx's real name was Moses Mordecai Levy.
Moses Hess, who taught Engels and Marx, was also a jew.
One drop of jew blood makes you a jew. One drop of jew blood is the kiss of death.
- Moses Hess created socialism/communism as a way to agitate the social classes against one another in order to prevent their cooperation(divide and conquer).
Hess said socialism/communism had nothing to do with nationalism(was contrary to it), which is interesting, because socialism/communism was meant to destabilize and be given to non jews, and yet Hess and the jews were and are intensely nationalistic regarding jewry and jews having their own country(Zionism).
One thing you will always notice about jews and about everything they propagate: their profound racial hypocrisy, which the Bible describes as being the 'leaven of the pharisees'.
- r278 sounds exactly like a government provocateur (or working for a NGO like the SPLC). See how our tax dollars are being wasted. As if anyone on DL is going to be recruited for the Klan or Christian Identity. Maybe 007 should go back to the JFK thread and claim that the CIA has nothing to do with the assassination.
- CIA is jew run, genius R280. SPLC is a jewish supremacy hate group(real hate, not jew defined 'hate'. Nice attempt at muddying the waters.
- Read through this thread for more truth about the jews: Iran nuclear talks unravel after Binyamin Netanyahu intervention
- BTW, r278, 15% of the population throughout the ancient Roman Empire was Jewish. Which means all European peoples have Jewish blood. Which means you're a self-hating....
- Why does the ADL, which is ostensibly for defending jews(even if the accusations are all true), providing the police departments across the USA with guidelines to follow? This is insanity. Ask some of your local police, especially higher ups about this, and watch the nervous responses. Jews tell everyone what to do.
- R283, that is officially the dumbest post in this entire thread. I don't know if that is one of the most hilarious jew lies of all time, simple stupidity, or both.
"You shouldn't criticize jews because everyone, including you is a jew." Wow, that one is just hilarious. I'm not a kike, so speak for yourself.
- The denial of the existence of a race(whites) is the first step towards genocide. "You don't exist, you are all actually non whites who are just a mix". This one is an old and pathetic jew trick.
And even with this line, it is an acknowledgement that whites exist because it suggests that whites were at one time unmixed. Typical jew sophistry. Sophistry is one of the jews' main weapons.
- The ADL and SPLC are extensions of the US government. Any Jewish "power" in this country is imaginary, except for small fry like us. TPTB can collect any minority group they want and toss them into camps. And r284 will surely be one of those who will help in the collection process.
BTW, TBTB intend to arm Iran with nukes to counter-balance Russia. It's a decades old plan dreamt up by Zbigniew Brzezinski. Israel will be bypassed like the UK was when after WW2 when the US put more resources into Germany.
It was never about the Jews. It was ALWAYS about Russia.
- In case any of you didn't notice, Rosemary's Baby is about jews.
Other movies about jews:
- Eyes Wide Shut
- Batman Returns(the Penguin parts)
- The Matrix movies
- The Running Man
Just to name a few.
- R287, you are either a non jewish, media loving zombie, or a lying jew who knows better. It's one or the other. I suspect the latter. Jews always make appeals to false authority to bolster their case(it's real because it's on TV, this person or group is an authority that cannot be questioned, because they are 'important').
- r289, I think you're a Chip Berlet-type working for TBTB. Most of the DLers know you're working from a boiler room, working from a script. You put on a poor act, though. We taxpayers should get a better performance from you. Are you FBI or a NGO?
- What a bizarre attempt at casting aspersions and trying to salvage your case, R290. As if I hadn't already shown that the powers that be are jews, which anybody can figure out with an hour of research.
- FWIW, I think both the White supremacist and the Jewish supremacist are trolls and quite possibly the same person.
Hasbara trolls often pose as foaming-at-the-mouth Neo-Nazis in order to undermine critics of Israel. And Neo-Nazi trolls often pose as raving Jewish supremacists in order to demonize Jews.
Can we return to the civilised discussion and leave the racism (on both sides) out of it please?
- Mamie Eisenhower was Jewish.
Maybe that'll do the trick.
- Good points, R292.
It's also worth mentioning that it's only *one* of those two sides who will ruin any politician who tells the truth about Israel, the new South Africa.
- From the link at R296, Neil Tennant speaking:
[quote] Israel has (in my opinion) some crude and cruel policies based on defense; it also has universal suffrage and equality of rights for all its citizens, both Jewish and Arab...
Instant credibility collapse, Neil.
- This thread is a Punch 'n Judy show, a banging of drums, an echo chamber of fear-porn emanating from the same boiler room.
- Wow, the foreign minister is a hero, he is the Mossadegh of our time.
- I agrer, R301. It's impossible to have a discussion of this issue online without hired monkeys in boilerrooms pasting bits from their prepared scripts.
That said, the truth will prevail. If their arguments were truthful, they wouldn't feel forced to set up operations to misinform the American public.
- Oh, yeah! Well, if Mitt Romney were president, he wouldn't need to make an agreement because we'd already be in an unwinnable war with Iran.
- Bump for agreement.
- [quote]I agrer, [R301]. It's impossible to have a discussion of this issue online without hired monkeys in boilerrooms pasting bits from their prepared scripts.
Is that not what we get from the media and the government every single day? And yet you are saying that they are the ones who are correct? Wow.