I'll be checking this out but it'll be on FX on Mondays along with Archer. FXX will be offering Legit and repackaged episodes of Da Ali G Show instead.
It's an "R-Rated" cartoon. Archer is great too.
Anybody watch tonight? I had trouble with the lead character when I realized it was being voiced by Bobby Moynihan from SNL. To me, it almost sounds like the voice is different from the one in the promos they were playing over the past few months. Bobby's voice is too light weight for the character.
Not a fan of Moynihan, so I don't think I'll watch it much.
He's not that hot.
A weird show but strangely hot. He drops all these gay references and things into his conversations and raps, but no one has yet commented on it.
I will keep watching and see where this goes.
Is he fit fat, or just fat?
Fit fat, I think. He got toned up a bit in prison.
Strange language for basic cable -- I had the closed captions on and they used the word cunt in one of his raps. Plus a few others but not fuck.
I want CHOZEN to be my husbear.
I thought the character was supposed to be Hispanic.
I loved this show.
The marketing of this show confuses me. Who is the intended audience?
Chozen is a white American but there are plenty of other races and nationalities included.
TERRIBLE! Worst show I've seen in a long time. I can't believe you are supporting it. The main character is exactly what heterosexuals fantasize/think/believe gay men are like in that their sexuality is out there, totally unfiltered and always about sex. It's supposed to be gross out humor.
I knew from the promos that we were just being used for comedic exploitation. Can't believe gay people support this garbage.
Is the creator gay? Why would a straight guy make his main character gay? That seems weird.
Tom Brady is an executive producer and does one of the voices.
I missed it,was it as terrible as it looked like it could be?
What were the reviews like?
Chozen was just fucking great. The jury's still out there about the gay thing (although nothing wrong in my eyes about it so far) but as a comedy series it was pretty solid. It was actually much better than season premiere of Archer, which of course shares at least some of the makers.
I haven't looked behind the scenes of Archer at all but even though Malory's homophobic quips towards out gay agent Ray are pretty outrageous(...ly funny) Ray's character is still on the same level of humanity as others and fits right in the crowd as a full-fledged character. I don't really see homophobia from the makers, actually I think that even creating a character like Ray, and now Chozen, they are pretty cool with it, and probably there are gay people or people close to gay people in the production teams.
I loved it. For some reason, it seemed extra filthy to me.
Loved the "is that a landing strip?" comment, and the GI Joe Rise of Cobra gay jerkoff reference, and everything about it. The show was one of the strangest, most unique and unusual things I've seen on tv in a long time.
I honestly don't know what to make of it because I think it's supposed to be humorous and snarky, but it also comes across as kinda strange.
Is Chozen supposed to be in the closet? He hits on guys, but when approached about hot females, he just kinda clams up.
Do his friends know? Does his sister know? Clearly he was always gay (Bela Karoli??), but it seems like most people don't realize he's gay.
There are so many things about this cartoon that intrigue me, so I'm willing to see where it goes.
I truly believe that it's a tongue-in-cheek commentary about the whole downlow rapper culture like Lil Bow Wow, and Chris Brown, and Nelly, et al.
Hope it doesn't disappoint.
Are there any actual gay people involved in this show?
I am glad that CHOZEN is bearish, and not some skinny twink.
R21, my take was that even HE doesn't really know he's gay... he's never really thought about it much.
He just is.
r24, I just don't think he takes on a separate gay identity. He doesn't identify as gay or with gay culture, while being overtly interested and involved with dudes. That is not rare nor unusual in the real world, especially in the urban world, amongst the "bruhs," and among people of color.
I think it's more than that. I don't think he thinks he's unusual or different. He doesn't really grasp that he's gay. He just goes about his business, unfiltered. And most other people just assume he's straight so his comments mostly just puzzle them, when they notice at all.
[quote] I think it's more than that. I don't think he thinks he's unusual or different. He doesn't really grasp that he's gay.
I sort of agree with you, R26, but then there's the part about prison, which kind of implies it was just a prison thing.
The explanation of his jail time was strange because he said at first he was the "bitch," but then later when he found out how it worked, then he made other guys his bitch.
And when he was at the Student Union, he told the nerdy guy, "you're mine now."
So the whole gay thing is muddled because I'm not sure if he's just transferring his prison life to the outside world because it's what he's used to, or if he really is gay.
I guess we'll find out more as we watch more episodes, but I don't know if we can really call him gay yet.
However, his disinterest in girls pretty much implies that he's gay.
[quote]but then there's the part about prison, which kind of implies it was just a prison thing.
Well, clearly he was gay before and is gay after... I do think he thinks of prison as a 'justification' for what he did...
It's an interesting exploration of denial that a lot of bi and closeted gay men have gone through... I've seen it myself. A guy who TRULY BELIEVED he wasn't gay, yet was super-gay, loved male strippers, had sex with guys... it was interesting cognitive dissonance.
I was floored when I saw that same guy 8 years later, and he'd finally come to terms, and had embraced the "gay" with full gusto, and had a long-term partner.
I actually think it's a really cool approach.
r28, but a huge percentage of same-sex oriented guys never embrace or adopt "gay" identity at all. Never.
I think they chose to make him gay because:
A. It's a novelty gimmick, and
B. it avoids a lot of teeth gnashing about sexism and racism.
Not a single solid laugh in 30 minutes.
The rap scene was LAME and the fake cheering even worse.
[quote] Not a single solid laugh in 30 minutes.
It's like Archer. You either love it or hate it. I actually think it's a novelty.
r32, it's nothing like Archer.
He's like a gay sex machine but the other characters, including his sister, seem oblivious to it.
I think he gets a lover in an upcoming episode. A jock, not the nerdy computer guy.
He already said to that porn website guy that pussy wasn't really his shit.
The response on here to Chozen is just like the response to real life dudes who acknowledge they like other dudes but eschew gay identity and culture. Some people are fixated on making other people adopt labels that those people often don't identify with. Of course, Chozen may eventually embrace a gay label, but for now, I find it awesome that he does not,
To me Chozen in obviously gay, and he knows it himself, too. I'm not quite sure why people think his gayness is somehow kept in the dark in the series. Yes it wasn't said out loud, but that doesn't mean that Chozen himself is in some sort of denial. If you've ever watched Archer you know that there's nothing subtle about the way the treat gay stuff.
But who knows, it was only the first episode. Maybe him being gay is one of the gags in the show. We'll see.
I like it that he and others don't label his sexuality, he just lives out who he is. That resonates with a lot of dudes today who don't identify as gay, but are open about their same-sex interest.
Why did he drop his pants? Are there any pics of him without the black bar across his junk?
Awesome and transgressive. Totally my kind of show.
Loved it. There was a Home Movies reference (they two are related but it's a pain to outline that). The girl reading her poem about "Asia" is from an ep of Home Movies.
It might be a different Tom Brady.
No, it's the same Tom Brady. He did an interview about it.
[quote] He doesn't really grasp that he's gay. He just goes about his business, unfiltered. And most other people just assume he's straight so his comments mostly just puzzle them, when they notice at all.
This has been done before, the Tobias character Arrested Development. I don't think it's supposed to depict a real person, after all it's a cartoon. I don't think real people are allowed to get away with acting very gay without anyone commenting on it and labeling them as such. Being an unlabeled gay person is just a fantasy, unless you're on the down-low.
Murdah murdah, sex sex. Murdah murdah. Chozen is HAWT, but the little black stripe covering his junk doesn't give me much hope about his endowment. :(
Well, he wasn't erect at the time...
(As far as we know!)
"I like it that he and others don't label his sexuality, he just lives out who he is."
How about a few jokes while you're changing the world?
It is a cartoon, right?
So make me laugh, cartoon boy
Can't stand anything to do with hip-crap, so I tuned in for 5 minutes & then shut it off. I won't be watching again.
CHOZEN says what he means and means what he says.
I loved the second episode too.
I watched half of the second episide so far. Does he hook up again with that blond frat guy?
I really gay show. I wonder what they are thinking. But whatever is behind it, I'm glad it's on.
It's nice that R49's nursing home has wifi.
All of you people who are saying he doesn't realize or admit he's gay -- are you actually watching the show?
He's totally out and open about his sexuality.
It's interesting. I don't watch Archer or Eastbound and Down and I don't watch a lot of animation but this show is...interesting. I'll stick with it, I guess.
R53 is completely missing the point of what's being said #DumbAss
Damn, I've been missing it!
How so, R55? Earlier in the thread you wrote this, which is simply not true:
[quote][R21], my take was that even HE doesn't really know he's gay... he's never really thought about it much.
[quote]The marketing of this show confuses me. Who is the intended audience?
Straight white males, 18-34.
[quote]I guess we'll find out more as we watch more episodes, but I don't know if we can really call him gay yet.
This is one of the stupidest things I've read here in some time. He's very obviously gay and very obviously OK with it.
R57, and what would lead you to think otherwise? Still seems perfectly true to me.
I don't think he thinks in the same terms you do.
It doesn't even occur to him that he's "different". He seems particularly oblivious.
That's the point. It just is.
[quote]I don't think he thinks in the same terms you do.
Chozen is an animated character, not a person.
[quote]It doesn't even occur to him that he's "different". He seems particularly oblivious.
I do think you are correct in that the show is portraying him as very comfortable being gay. He doesn't make a big deal about it, nor do the people around him. It just is.
But you are making a huge leap when you say this:
[quote]even HE doesn't really know he's gay
If you actually watch this show, nothing about it suggests he doesn't realize he's gay.
R60, you're STILL not getting what I'm saying. I'm trying to figure out if you're willfully not getting it, or are just dense.
R63 sounds like a closet case.
No, just someone apparently more intelligent than you.
R63, it seems futile to argue with you anymore at this point.
But I will say, once again, that the Chozen character is gay. He knows it, everyone else knows it. It seems ridiculous to me that you can't grasp such a simple fact.
I don't understand what the fighting's about. Obviously Chozen is gay and is having sex with guys all the time. Sure it's natural to him but even if he's a bit daft he probably understands fully that he is GAY and most other people are straight.
After two episodes it's still left a bit open how others react to his gayness, although in the second episode there were some confused looks from his buddies when he talked about fucking guys. It could be that Chozen keeps living in his own gay sphere and the straight people around him don't comment on gay stuff, but it's been only two episodes so it remains to be seen.
R63/65, could you explain in what way you don't think Chozen seems himself being gay?
And trolldar confirms you are correct R64.
[quote]But I will say, once again, that the Chozen character is gay.
Nobody is denying this, dipshit.
[quote]He knows it, everyone else knows it. It seems ridiculous to me that you can't grasp such a simple fact.
It seems ridiculous that after explaining it several times, you still don't understand what I'm saying. How you can be so clueless is beyond me. I don't know how to explain it any more clearly.
You're missing the whole fucking point.
So far there is ZERO evidence that he labels himself or thinks of rainbow flags and gay bars and such. He just does it, clueless that there's anything 'different' about it. Just as the straight people just shrug off some of the things he says with respect to same-sex stuff, he equally shrugs off what other guys say about opposite sex stuff.
He gives confused looks (or bored look) just as other guys give HIM confused looks (or bored looks).
He doesn't think in terms of those labels. He doesnt' think he's unusual. He doesn't "get" that it's not what most guys do.
And R68? How so? I'd love to hear you try to justify that.
[quote]And [R68]? How so? I'd love to hear you try to justify that.
Your long-winded, needlessly detailed rant about the level of your clostedness you posted in the thread below.
First: Nobody likes a trolldar troll stalker
Second: Perhaps your reading comprehension is different than mine, but that post doesn't describe someone who is a "closet case".
But R71, you ASKED for it.
Dude - and I know you like being called a dude - you're a fucking headcase.
Yeah, not really. I think you're projecting.
Just watched it on Amazon. Better than the last episode - lots of fun, and Hunter's a dream. I hope we see more of Hunter.
Ooooh,, gurl, r70 got your number. (@r73, r71, r69, etc.)
Yeah Hunter is hot. I actually think Chozen is kinda sexy too.
guuuuurl please r69. we don't know all that. in fact, it seems to be the opposite. the whole point of the second episode is him dealing with his sisters sexuality as expressed with her cheating boyfriend. i guess his reaction was one big shrug or bored look to you.
what seems to be more clear is that he hasn't had an explicit conversation with his friends and family about his sexuality. they are being willfully blind even though he is clearly gay. since it has not been discussed on the show, it is more like a commentary on how fangirls will never believe that certain closeted celebrities are gay even though the evidence is staring them in the face. it would be a funny running joke if his sexuality is never brought up buy his friends and family even as he constantly talks about and fucks guys in front of them.
Some gay men are so hung up on having someone identify with the word "gay" that they don't know how to act when a guy expresses interest in dudes without ever using the word "gay."
CHOZEN is hot.
I thought the pilot episode was weak but the second one was actually pretty funny. Will keep watching for now.
[quote]it would be a funny running joke if his sexuality is never brought up [bold]buy[/bold] his friends and family even as he constantly talks about and fucks guys in front of them
Miss R73 has more issues than a subscription.
lol, r82. no "Oh dear" for my guuuuurl please? i missed a couple of "u"s.
What's with all these ridiculous "no label" praises? Good to see DL is still full of self-hating homos.
[quote]Good to see DL is still full of self-hating homos.
They are the fucking worst.
[quote]Of course, Chozen may eventually embrace a gay label, but for now, I find it awesome that he does not.
This is the stupidest thing I've ever read. All you people debating whether Chozen is gay or not are dumb as fuck. The show is billed as a story about a GAY white rapper, the show description says it's about a GAY white rapper, the creators say the show is about a GAY white rapper and explained why they made him GAY. What part of GAY don't you fucking understand?!?
You're probably the same people who would debate whether or not the Huxtables were black or not since they don't act black and instead are doctors and lawyers living in a brownstone.
Still can't get into it, and that seems to be the general consensus. It's godawful.
R87, I think it's mostly one closeted creep doing most of the squawking.
[quote]All you people debating whether Chozen is gay or not are dumb as fuck.
The fact that you seem to think anyone is debating whether he's homosexual or not makes YOU dumb as fuck. Nobody is arguing that. Of course he's homosexual. That's not the point being made.
It's like this thread is over-run with complete idiots who can't even comprehend the simplest of statements.
r69, r73 etc. please read this interview with the creator. it answers all your questions.
R90 is fucking crazy.
Dude, come out of the closet already.
Focus on the show, dude
Get Glue is now known as tvtag
R92, I'm neither closeted nor crazy. I'm just not as stupid as apparently some of you morons are. Jesus.
Reading that article makes my point for me in several places:
[quote]He's a gay man, but if you met him on the street, that would be the least interesting thing about him. He's very much, "I am what I am."
[quote]Chozen is completely comfortable about his sexuality; he doesn’t have any shame about liking “dudes with smooth skin,” but he’s a lone wolf. He doesn't have any kind of gay community.
[quote]So when he gets out, he doesn't really feel the need to search out any other culture. He's very confident, very sure of himself.
[quote]In the third episode [when he goes to a college LGBT group], those meetings might not be for him, but he gets it. He’s just not invested in it that way.
He's not capital-G "Gay", rainbow-flag-waving, protesting for rights, blah blah blah. To him, he just is. It is what it is, and he neither thinks about nor obsesses about it. It doesn't occur to him that he should.
And that's kind of refreshing... in that you don't often see that on TV anywhere. You see lots of over-the-the-top stereotypes, and you see a lot of people who are "GAY" first and foremost, and other things secondarily.
I really can't understand why you can't grasp something so painfully obvious... or why you think acknowledging this painfully obvious thing makes me somehow closeted (rolling my eyes), let alone insane.
Probably the closest thing you see to this is Teen Wolf, and even there, there's a lot of gay/straight talk, even if it's more matter of fact. Here, he's just behaving like any straight rapper would, only he's not straight. Straight people don't obsess over their straightness... they don't even think about it. It just IS.
And that's the point.
He is openly, unapologetically into dudes. But he is ostensibly not identified with gay culture or gay identity. He just is who he is independent of a group identity surrounding his sexual orientation. He is just a dude into dudes. There a millions of males like him.
R95 wrote this:
[quote]He doesn't really grasp that he's gay.
Which is 100 percent incorrect.
No, R97, your comprehension of what I said is incorrect. I stand by that statement. It was made clear in the premiere episode that he doesn't really think of himself as 'gay', imho. He just does what he does, with no apologies or even cares or thoughts. He doesn't "identify" as a member of that sub-culture... and as the interview explains, it's mostly because he's never been a member of that subculture to identify with it. He instead identifies as a prison inmate & rapper. The fact that he has sex with dudes instead of chicks is purely incidental. He doesn't THINK about it enough to even consciously realize it's unusual. He's not that self-aware.
[quote]It was made clear in the premiere episode that he doesn't really think of himself as 'gay', imho
Yes, he does think of himself as gay, you moron. Do you think he doesn't know that he's sucking cocks? Do you think he's confused? It's just the opposite, he's unabashedly gay.
[quote]Yes, he does think of himself as gay, you moron. Do you think he doesn't know that he's sucking cocks?
You continue to misunderstand. I'm not sure why.
Yes, he knows he sucks dick and fucks ass and has sex with guys.
But no, he doesn't think of himself as "gay". He doesn't really think in those terms. Why is this so hard for you to grasp?
No, I don't think he's confused. Jesus, seriously, are you really this thick in real life? You have NO capacity for understanding any nuance? Seriously? I'm not sure if I should type more slowly when talking to you...
So he does gay stuff but doesn't know he's gay or think of himself as gay. Gotcha, brain trust.
R100, you seem to have very rigid meaning for 'gay'. Why can't people like Chozen be gay even if they don't identify belonging in the "gay culture"? Yes there are loads of men who don't like to live in the gay culture but that doesn't mean they aren't gay. And really, what is gay culture? There are gay people in all the walks of life, living a life of their own, even if that life is not straight from Looking. Chozen lives his own gay life, just like I do, surrounded only by straight people at the moment.
I think that we all here understand pretty well what we all mean.
R101, you realize the term "Gay" has more connotations than "has sex with dudes", right?
And R102, People like Choszen can be gay. I'm not talking about your definition of the word or even mine. HE doesn't seem to think of himself in those terms. He just is, he doesn't think it's unusual, he's just himself, and doesn't even get that others might find it weird or wrong or different. He seems to be clueless to the whole of the politics surrounding it.. he's pure ID in that regard. He wants it and goes for it. And I think that's just really cool.
Gozen doesn't live a "gay life", he lives a "thug life", the life of a rapper and ex-con. Being "gay" is not his focus. He isn't going out and buying rainbow stickers, or marching in parades, or attending LGBT meetings. He's cool with all that, but it isn't him, and he doesn't seem to think in those terms at all... again, he doesn't obsess over his sexuality, he just lives it. LIke straight people do. He doesn't THINK about it I the way you obviously do.
Again, this isn't rocket science, and I have no idea why you're having such a difficult time understanding this.
You DO realize there are a lot of homosexual men who reject the label "Gay", right? That "gay" is not always synonymous with having sex with members of the same sex? I'm not one of those by any means, but I can recognize that others have different perceptions on both the word and the "community", etc.
Like a lot of black rappers who have sex with en "on the down low" don't identify as gay, reject the label, and perceive the word as being something defined solely by WHITE out homosexuals who are more feminen than masculine. That's THEIR perception (not saying I agree with it).
The point is, Chozen doesn't seem to think of himself as 'gay' in the same way that a homosexual black rapper wouldn't... even if he was totally cool with having sex with other guys and everyone knowing about it.
Are you getting it yet? Are are you guys going to still inssit I'm somehow not only insisting he's not gay, but that I'm also somehow closeted? (rolling my eyes)
Whatever. Your minds are obviously extremely closed, rigid, and unwilling to see anything from anyone else's perspective, especially if that perspective is different than yours.
All this analysis over two 22 minute episodes.
We may learn more as the season progresses.
R103, I think all you are talking about is your definition of what you think 'gay' is. It's billion different things and Chozen just happens to be one of those, just like each of us gay men are gay in our way in our own lives. You seem to say that being gay is the defining factor in the lives of people talking here, and that Chozen somehow transcends that into being something else.
I don't think the series has given us yet that much info about his life but from what I've seen Chozen loves and beds men. You don't in this case need anything else to make him gay. He doesn't need to be part of some 'gay culture' of gay bars and such. He is part of the gay culture just being what he is and that is a man who loves and has sex with other men.
[quote]I think all you are talking about is your definition of what you think 'gay' is
For the thousandth time, no.
I'm talking about HIS self-perception. The way HE thinks about it (or doesn't think about it).
I know he's a gay man. I don't know how many times I can repeat that before you'll actually hear it.
I'm talking about how he defines himself, not how YOU define him, or *I* define him.
[quote]but from what I've seen Chozen loves and beds men.
No shit Sherlock. Why do you think ANYONE is saying otherwise?
[quote]He is part of the gay culture just being what he is and that is a man who loves and has sex with other men.
I assure you that is utterly false. There are many men who have sex with men who aren't part of "gay culture" at all.
R106, well he knows that he likes dudes and has sex with them all the time. What on earth more should he do to make him define himself as gay? Being gay just tells that a guy loves men and has sex with them. You seem to think that being gay changes man into some other species that can't do 'straight' stuff.
[quote]There are many men who have sex with men who aren't part of "gay culture" at all.
Ok, now we've reached something.
Every gay man is part of the gay culture. There is not one kind of gay culture because there are as many kinds of gay culture as there are bi and gay men. Chozen's is just one kind.
[quote]well he knows that he likes dudes and has sex with them all the time.
Why do you feel compelled to repeat the obvious. We all know this.
[quote]What on earth more should he do to make him define himself as gay?
Goddamn, you're thick. I don't know how to be any more clear. It has nothing to do with what he DOES, but how *HE* thinks of himself. He just does what he does. He doesn't label it. He doesn't worry about it. He doesn't perceive himself to be unusual.
[quote]Being gay just tells that a guy loves men and has sex with them.
That's YOUR perception and definition, and that's fine. It's mine too. But we're not talking about you, or me. We're talking about HIM.
[quote]You seem to think that being gay changes man into some other species that can't do 'straight' stuff.
I think no such thing, and I've never said or implied anything to make you think that.
Seriously, is your IQ over room temperature? I feel like I'm talking to a wall here.
Pull your head out of your ass please.
[quote]Every gay man is part of the gay culture.
Gay culture encompasses gay bars, pride parades, fighting for gay rights, drag, and a host of other things.
Many men who have sex with men don't identify or participate in that at all... and not only reject that "gay culture", but are rejected BY it.
You're being very, very myopic here.
[quote]There is not one kind of gay culture because there are as many kinds of gay culture as there are bi and gay men.
And then you immediately contradict yourself. "Gay Culture" is a thing, and then you claim that everyone has their own... which is meaningless.
Sorry, you don't get to make up and then mash up, and then unmake definitions like that.
Hunter's going to be a recurring guy:
Slate interviews the show's creator, Grant Dekernion:
Hunter"Slate: Do you think Chozen’s relationship with Hunter [the hot frat jock lacrosse-player, voiced by Ike Barinholtz the doofus of The Mindy Project] is a healthy one?
"Dekernion: Oh, I don't know if I'd say that. I think his relationship with Hunter begins in the way Chozen begins many relationships, but we tried to build in some subtlety. As we see them throughout the season, Chozen tries to find a way to have a relationship. It may not begin where it's a very loving, equitable situation, but I think Hunter will make it known that he'd like something more real, and Chozen will try to see if he's willing and/or able to do that. And you'll also see changes in Hunter. So, it's not healthy, but I think it's a dynamic that exists."
[quote]You DO realize there are a lot of homosexual men who reject the label "Gay", right?
[quote]I'm not one of those by any means,
Oh, of course not.
He is just a dude into dudes. He is not into the subculture identity or separate lifestyle.
R115 apparently knows completely anonymous individuals he's never met better than the individual person himself (rolling eyes)
You're an idiot and an asshole. Seriously.
On last night's episode, Chozen had sex with a trans man so who the hell knows with this show.
I watched last night's episode too. It's 90% hip hop, 10% gay, at most.
Wont' be watching again.
Biggest problem with this series is that it's just not funny
It's plenty funny, as long you're not the kind of idiot that requires a BAZINGA! cue to laugh.
[quote]Gay culture encompasses gay bars, pride parades, fighting for gay rights, drag, and a host of other things.
R122 Tell us what does gay culture encompass if not those things listed?
Gay culture isn't a bar. Gay culture IS Pride Parade because those are a celebration of courage, freedom, honesty, and life which is essentially fighting for gay rights post-Stone Wall.
Gay culture is also those openly gay men and women who have made their mark the arts, music, medicine and research, business, you name it. Gay culture are openly LGBT people who have made their mark on society in some way.
Gay culture isn't a "host of other things" as you dismissively state, which I'm sure to you, they are negative to you.
But, I'm curious, what are these "host of others things"? Be honest.
Ok R124 So with the exception of the gay bar part, everything you called pure ignorance in R122 is actually examples of gay culture? How do you know that the "host of other things" dont include the things you listed?
I have feeling the "host of other things" were not on my list, R125. That's why I asked him to be honest. I'm sure "glory holes" was on his list. Of course, now that I said that, I'm sure he'll deny that, but please. I know his agenda.
Oh, I see, R126. The "pure ignorance" are things you imagined, not something that actually exists.
No, his list was ignorant, R127. His list meant to mock and demean. You know that. Stop pretending like you don't.
R128 Fighting for gay rights is mocking and demeaning? Gay pride parades (which you included in your list) is mocking and demeaning?
I think a "host of other things" could include gay community centers, gay-straight student alliances, gay channels on YouTube, gay restaurants, gay coffee houses, gay movies and theater, gay bookstores, gay newspapers and magazines, gay TV programs, gay sports leagues, gay churches, gay cruises, gay vacation spots, circles of friends that include mostly other gays, gay celebrations in addition to pride (Halloween parades, street fairs.)
You can be gay (attracted to the same sex) yet never participate in the myriad of gay cultural experiences. Chozen seems to fall into this category.
R130: Which is exactly why the gay community shouldn't watch this crappy show.
It's about hip hop culture (I use that term extremely loosely), not about gay culture.
[quote]It's about hip hop culture (I use that term extremely loosely), not about gay culture.
It's about neither. It's about a gay rapper.
R132: Don't be deliberately obtuse. It's not attractive.
Grown men watching cartoons. Pathetic.
R134: Grown men, posting trivial nastiness on an anonymous web forum. Pathetic.
Chozen is not for kids
Jesus, R103. Do you really think the straight men creators of Chozen even gave two seconds thought to the gay politics of Chozen or how he transcends gay identity? They would laugh at you for writing a thesis analyzing the identity politics of a character they just made up because they thought it was funny.
Wtf is wrong with people here with this stupid arguing? Anyway just watched the third episode and I have decided this show is amusing.
The beginning scene with his nemesis had me laughing my ass off and the show is definitely completely unique and like that.
Andy Cohen had Bobby Moynihan on WWHL Tuesday night, and didn't ask him ANYTHING about Chozen or his character. What a missed opportunity.
What was Moynihan doing on the show if not to promote his own new project?
Andy didn't ask Moynihan any Chozen questions but he did mention the show several times, and a caller asked a him a question.
This has to be the dumbest argument I've heard about a gay character. Obviously the character is gay, he's just not some typical urban white guy who immerses himself in the bar scene or goes to the community center or whatever. Chozen is just living his life, screwing men, trying to get back at his nemesis, etc.
The funniest part of the show isn't even the gay stuff, it's his whole fight with the dude who stole his career. I also like the other two friends.
All their characters are fully formed even with the stereotypes (hispanic guy with lots of siblings, black guy being supported by a girlfriend, hippie pervert who smokes weed, responsible sister who dates idiots), etc. The Hunter sequence was also very funny and so was the thing with the transgendered woman AND transgendered man. I've actually heard of transgendered 'gay men' who seek gay men even when they haven't had the full surgery.
R143, of course it's a stupid argument. It's just one idiot who keeps arguing the same thing over and over. To him, Chozen isn't gay.
I don't have all the gay genes (fashion sense and hairstyling are missing) but I do have the importants one -- cocksucking and old movie trivia.
[quote I don't have all the gay genes (fashion sense and hairstyling are missing) but I do have the importants one -- cocksucking and old movie trivia.
LOL. The question is -- do you consider yourself to be gay, or do you not think about it at all?
BTW, What a bizarre set of posts . . .
No surprise there are no actual gay guys involved in the show.
Nick Swardson isn't queer? Surprise surprise surprise.
Third episode was the best thus far.
r131, it reflects the reality of many same-sex attracted men in that there are many bi/gay men who don't identify with or even pay attention to gay culture. CHOZEN is not rare.
So, if Chozen doesn't think of himself as "gay", what was he doing in a Lesbian Gay Bacon Tomato center? (I mean, other than to score manass -- he did return with a message about self-acceptance.) Is he gay enough now?
He thought it was a restaurant that served BLTs. He didn't know it was about gays or he wouldn't have gone. He doesn't identify as gay. He thinks of himself as straight and straight men love BLTs.
[quote]Grown men watching cartoons. Pathetic.
Not sure who is worse, the "grown men don't" troll or the pathetic closet case who just won't let go in this thread.
The "grown men watching cartoons" troll is just as big a pretentious douche as the "I don't own a TV" trolls.
I don't watch television -- I have a fireplace.
Mrs. Martha Dudley
Is anyone still watching? I'm still enjoying the show though I'm somewhat bored by the storylines that aren't centered around Chozen. I don't really care about the sister or the friends.
I watch this every week and IMO the show is getting better every week. I though last night's episode was hilarious. They also get through a lot of things I would think the censors would stop such as the 'DP' comment (Chozen doesn't roll that way, besides, she's his sister so it's a gray area). My mother was watching it with me and she looked at me funny for laughing at the DP joke.
I didn't care for Chozen being all sensitive and shit but overall, hilarious episode and I can't wait to see the one where his old cell mate/lover gets out of jail.
More Hunter, please.
Unfunny show already cancelled like "Looking". Next.
R160, neither show has been canceled. Stop making shit up.
Loving the show.
I always thought Nick Swardson was gay but apparently he's not.
How come there are no new episodes of Archer, but there are new episodes of Chozen? They don't care about the Olympics hitting their ratings?
My does not show any episodes for the next two weeks...
Next episodes 2/24 and 3/3.
Producers have already been made aware that FX will not be ordering another season. The show runners have already signed on for other projects and production has been officially shut down. Sorry, girls.
Chozen is just like Michael Sam. They're not gay but just dudes who happen to like other dudes. Progess.
Nice try, r169, but Michael actually said the words I'm Gay, so there goes that theory...