Douchebag NBC reporter Chuck Todd is interviewing President Obama
By jumping right in on the Republican meme of accusing the President of lying by saying "If you like your insurance, you can keep it". In doing so, he of course wants to look tough, and ignore the facts that from day one, people were told that after a certain date, people buying crooked sub-standard fake insurance plans would have to buy a plan that met simple minimum standards, but that's no fun for lazy pseudo-journalists like him. He's treating Obama as if he were Spiro Agnew.
Who in the world thinks he does a decent job? He's so smarmy and self-impressed!
He told the Emperor his imaginary shoe was scuffed? IFHH!!!!!!
R1 coming through, like a true looney! Why does the first responder always say something ridiculous!
Why report on a story, when you can just jump in the gutter, swagger, and make a lot of noise?
I guess all these parents with Down Syndrome kids, autistic, genetically damaged, allergic to peanuts, asthmatic, ADHD and all those other ailments afflicting their little Jaydens and Bayleighs, could be awake enough to be grateful they're not still getting fucked over by rapacious insurers who wouldn't even cover then because of their "pre-existing" conditions with Obamacare protections!? No, let's focus on the "Gotcha!" non-story!
Americans are morons.
I liked r1's post.
Chuck Todd is a douché extraordinairé.
The President was quite patient with Todd's inaptitude and innuendo.
Obama is perfect...and don't say otherwise!!
Obama lied to millions of people. More people are being hurt by this program than are being helped. Very sad.
Bullshit R6, the insurance companies and the asshole, arrogant, egotistical and lousy reporters like Todd lied and THEY should be apologizing not him.
Romney was LYING on a daily basis and the media NEVER called him a liar like this fuckface Todd disrespectfully did with President Obama.
They make old people buy maternity insurance and they make young healthy people pay for old people. It's falling apart.
I would've loved to see President Obama kick Todd in the balls.
R11 Young healthy people paying for services they likely won't use is what defrays the costs of older people's health care - that's socializing the cost, having many pay (whether yhey want to or not) for services that only a smaller segment will use.
Or just put his own balls in Todd's mouth
Too many freepers here.
Too many sycophants here.
He's good at numbers crunching, but as per "political analysis" ... not so much.
Actually, liberals are saying the same thing. Obama fucked up saying that. That was a really broad, 'political suicide' type statement to make. The Obamacare web site is the only thing that's going to make this thing work. Don't even try calling. You'll be on the line for days. It's typical of the US government. They don't provide enough workers. The workers always get blamed though.
Chuck Todd is pathetic. Just another ridiculous network news personality—they are NOT reporters—shilling for his corporate media masters.
In a few months, hundreds of thousands of Americans will have been helped by the ACA. It's far from perfect, but it will help many.
Freepers, like R6, are fed lie after lie by a political party that can't win without their own statistics and "facts", obscenely gerrymandered districts, voter suppression, and blatant pandering to racists, bigots and religious freaks.
It will be a painful, protracted, demographic-driven death, but you're toast GOPers.
We'll all be laughing at you. Harder, I mean.
ACA will be fixed and 'liberals' and right wing assholes and the media will have to STFU about it. Meanwhile the GOP has ZERO to offer Americans. No matter WHAT the President 'lied' about, he's still making an attempt to bring health care to millions and for that he's steps ahead of his critics, IMO.
R19 You do understand that employer-"provided" health insurance became the standard in the US as a workaround given wage freezes imposed by tbe government? And also offered tax benefits?
America had a problem with a number of people without medical insurance. If you think the ACA is an efficient, elegant solution to that problem, consider the way the Postal Service is run, its finances, its obligations.
The ACA is a political gambit - any relief it offers is lagniappe. Socialized health care, especially single-payer, changes society and politics, permanently shifting it leftward.
You might cheer that, but it's dishonest to pretend that this experiment is about healthcare, rather than pure politics. It's a bait-and-switch.
This isn't another Right-is-evil, we're lambs pissing contest. This rewrites the operating system of our society, and it's being done by hacks and cretins.
Something this major being done in such a shoddy manner is a scandal, and pretending otherwise is just Potemkin-village idiocy.
It's about healthcare R20 and yes, I cheer that.
I thought the president was saying what he needed to say. Chuck is just the tool he used to say it.
Oh my fucking God, R20. Pompous ass much?
[quote]It's falling apart.
Oh, for fuck's sake.
The law hasn't even been implemented yet, and the freepers and trolls are doing everything they can to kill the best healthcare insurance reform to come along in two generations, and it's pathetic. Why is it he press only cares when they think a Democrat has lied? If Obama were (a registered) Republican, we'd see him give interviews in 2020 saying "If you liked your insurance, you kept it" with no impunity. But because he's a Democrat, the media goes after him relentlessly, regardless of the fact that the people who are having to chose a new insurance policy are getting better insurance for a modest increase in premiums, if that. The woman who CBS put out there complaining about her increasing cost, when fully informed of the new policy, actually called it "a blessing in disguise." But you wouldn't know that from watching Chuck Todd. Ironically, it was Fox that dispelled her notion. But I guess I should have expected that, because up is truly down in this current political climate.
Meanwhile, in the real world, the popularity of Obamacare is going up. As more and more people find out what their options are, they like it. And despite all the fear mongering, yet another election was supposed to be a referendum on Obamacare and Obamacare won -- again. How many times does Obamacare have to win for the pundits, freepers and trolls to admit its going to work?
My father imparted some great wisdom on one of the first camping trips we took. I was not paying attention and got us lost, then couldn't read the map to find our way. After wasting time, it was getting dark, and he finally said to me, "Lead, follow, or get out of the way." I wish Pubbies and their enablers in the media would take this to heart, because when important stuff comes along, they do no one good service by dithering over perceived errors.
As an outside observer, I feel pretty confident in saying the "operating system" of American society is completely fucked, and anything - even an imperfect system like the ACA - is better than what you've had previously. No system based on selfishness and unfairness can ever be sustainable
That which is decried as "socialism" or "government intrusion" is the default position of almost every other developed nation on earth. It surprises me that more Americans don't reflect on why that's the case.
And it's not just with healthcare - no other developed nation has any form of success with the anti-government libertarian foolishness that is so bizarrely popular among Americans.
Obama is a piece of lying shit!
Just by saying that, r26, YOU are.
Fugly chinless wonder.
Obama said whatever he needed to get elected. That includes lying to millions about their policies.
The whole purpose of Obamacare was to insure more people. Yet by the end of the year, when all the cancellations take effect, there may well be less people insured. Ironic, no?
Brenda Lee's "I'm Sorry" has more meaning than his "apology. Obama's is telling us "So sad, too bad, My plan will be shoved down your throats whether you like it or not. I have nothing to lose, I'll be outta office and you folks will still bitching and moaning."
And would Todd please get rid of that stupid goatee/beard/chin-slinky or whatever it is? It looks HORRIBLE. Also, he used to be bald as a cueball so I guess he's been at the Rogaine. Except it looks all patchy, like he has mange.
I don't understand why he's allowed on TV. To appeal to the dumpy demographic?
Someone said last night that if the press would have gone half as hard on W's war craziness as they have on Obamacare, then maybe we wouldn't be in the mess with the economy that we're in now. It really is kind of sad that we're getting all of this nonsense, because the guy is simply trying to help Americans get better health insurance and not go bankrupt from a catastrophic illness.
A website fucked up. It's not like the guy started a war after lying to the country.
The reporter on one of my local radio stations just teased his top-of-the-hour newscast with, "President Obama apologizes for the health care plan that is screwing up your life." No wonder the sheeple are kvetching about Obamacare when they get a steady diet of this crap.
the paid trolls are ruining the interwebs.
are they the only ones who pay to post anymore???
[quote] They make old people buy maternity insurance and they make young healthy people pay for old people. It's falling apart.
Just like the how I've been taxed for education/schools with no kids (and no kid deductions).
As it should be in a decent society. I have NEVER been bitter about my taxes supporting other peoples' children's eduction.
Wars, drones and missiles?
Yes, but still I pay my taxes.
The Pentagon makes pacifists pay for wars.
The States makes true "pro-lifers" pay for capital punishment.
Chuck Todd is where he is today solely due to Tim Russert's death.
And I ought to know.
Leave it to a ugly man, Tim Russert, to mentor an uglier man, Chuck Todd!
Obama's apology had about as much compassion as a Hallmark greeting card.
Politicians lie. It is in their nature. Learn to live with it.
So what if he lied, he is a liberal so he gets a pass here.
I'm 28, a non-smoker who is not overweight.
My policy got cancelled and now I will be paying $225 more per month for essentially the same insurance.
I'm upper middle class so I get no subsidy.
My policy was "substandard" yet the insurance industry is highly regulated in my state as it is in every state.
I see this for what it is.
Those who take care of their health are subsidizing those who are obese and don't exercise
Those who are young are subsidizing those who are older
Those who are in the top half of the wage earners are subsidizing those who are in the lower half
My policy wasn't substandard at all. I was paying a fair rate for the risk I represented and the coverage I needed.
But the government wants me to pay $2,700 a year more to offset the costs of others.
This is a tax increase just in a different form
Is Chuck Todd the one who used to be a male model?
[quote] now I will be paying $225 more per month for essentially the same insurance.
[quote]My policy was "substandard"
You cannot have it both ways; which is it?
Obama pushed that unpopular legislation through even though he knew he was blatantly lying.
He lied about Bengazi.
He is a liar.
Sorry to dissilusion any of you hopey/changey folks who worshipped him like a Greek god.
He is just as corrupt as Bush was.
BULLSHIT. You are a freak, r47. How does it feel?
Then get someone you like better elected, you idiot!
Don't expect to change minds here with your screed.
Work hard! Get out the vote. Donate money to the candidate of your choice, just like many here who donated to Obama's two campaigns.
Stop being a bellyacher and finger pointer. If you support someone better, the votes will come.
People like you MAKE ME SICK.
[quote]But the government wants me to pay $2,700 a year more to offset the costs of others.
I don't have children, and yet I pay for schools.
Get over it. Part of living in a civilized society is that sometimes, you're paying for things that don't DIRECTLY benefit you.
r47, must be nice to get paid to post.
But GWB lied about WMD in Iraq. So STFU, ok?
Obama = Liar.
Obama ignores his poverty stricken brother in Africa.
Obama champions late term abortions. Disgusting.
Not a fan.
I hope he gets impeached.
lots of people think like me,
[quote]But GWB lied about WMD in Iraq.
Also used 9/11 to get his Iraq war, and his admin. tried to push the Saddam-Bin Laden meme. Which of course worked with a lot of people.
Anyone attempting to push the Benghazi thing as anything more than it was, reveals themselves as an utter buffoon. You're not to be taken seriously considering the thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of deaths under Bush.
Lots of moronic idiots think like you r52.
Anyone with HALF a brain does not.
How does it feel to be so stupid?
[quote]Obama champions late term abortions. Disgusting.
[quote]by: lots of people think like me,
Whatever your age is would be precisely how late term I'd go.
[quote]Sorry to dissilusion any of you hopey/changey folks who worshipped him like a Greek god.
It's clear r47 is a shill, because the whole "The One" myth of widespread Obama worship is a fantasy of the far right.
In fact, it's a projection of the way they felt (and many still feel) about Ronald Reagan.
Bush was treated with kid gloves during all of his interviews, yet Chuck Todd thinks it's okay to interrogate Obama like he's a criminal. And all because he's giving health care to millions of Americans. Unbelievable!
Don't you just love it when they pull out this "worshiping" crap when in reality, it's about the fact that if Obama so much as farts, these lunatics want him impeached.
This isn't about defending Obama, it's about the media's hypocrisy and the right's transparency.
When I see a bunch of rightwing idiots screaming about birth certificates for YEARS who now have the audacity to try and push Ted Cruz as a nominee, then you're too stupid to live if you think it's about worshiping Obama.
[quote]In fact, it's a projection of the way they felt (and many still feel) about Ronald Reagan.
Exactly. They'd give North Korea a run for its money when it comes to this shithead. They want to carve him into MT. Rushmore. Rename the damned country "Reaganland" if they could.
why exactly is he a douchebag for asking pertinent questions?
what am I missing here?
if anything, he is brave for challenging Obama on a left leaning network.
I think Breitbart's ghost has internet access in hell....
[quote]there may well be less people insured
The correct word is "fewer." Your grammar is wrong and so is your assertion.
Breitbart was a wise man with courage. I am quite sure he is in heaven.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!
Okay, now it's clear you're just trolling for the sake of trolling, r63!
Please be a parody. Please be a parody. Please be a parody.
Brietbart is roasting in the pits of hell.
Breitbart was not afraid to speak the truth to power.
He was a man of convictions.
Stop talking bullshit, OP. Obama has gone on record numerous times saying that if you liked your insurance plan you would be able to keep it. It's only this week that he amended that. Bill Maher showed three or four clips of him saying you could keep your plan and basically called Obama a liar. He's hardly a pawn of the Tea Party or a Republican shill. I have a drug and vision plan through my union. I don't need Maternity care and I only go to the Dr. when I need to. Now my premium for Dr. visits, lab, x-rays and hospitialization will be cancelled and I will have to pay more for a drug plan that I now get for free. Tell me how this "helped" me? They better amend this shit to help people like me before January. And I'm sick of people like you always defending this guy. He doesn't walk on water and it isn't always a Right Wing conspiracy when people rightfully criticize him and his Administration. Fuck you right up your Kool Aid drinking ass.
You need to blame your union for buying insurance from a shitty health insurance company that is gaming the system to make MORE money off its insureds.
Mark Levin is still alive to speak the truth too, thank God.
[quote]Breitbart was not afraid to speak the truth to power.
Funny, I don't recall him speaking out against that Trillion dollar bullshit war based on lies... or that trillion dollars to banks.
He was a neo con, sweetheart. It isn't 'speaking truth to power' when you're carry water for a particular ideology that has nothing to do with protecting the people, but rather, sending their children to die for lies.
Breitbart. Mark Levin
Chickenhawks who want to send other people's children to die for costly wars.
What a disgrace you people are. So very unpatriotic and pushing wars. That's truth to power? It's the antithesis of speaking truth to power.
What the fuck are you talking about, r69? I'm retired. I took early retirement so I don't get insurance through the union but I do get glasses and drugs. Why should I BLAME my union for at least giving me benefits that I actually use? I pay a reasonable premium with a fair deductible for my insurance. I can AFFORD this insurance. Now? The policy will be cancelled and I will probably have to pay twice what I do now. Again, tell me how this HELPED me?
Poor, poor Mr. President. Being held accountable, as the driving force for ACA, and having to face documented film footage as to his mis-leading statements to the American public is just not fair. Boo hoo . . .Intentional or not, he communicated HIS program, is betting ACA as HIS legacy and HE should man up as to the mess it is in. His ego is immense, and doesn't afford him the ability to be a leader who takes responsibility for his actions or the decisions made under his watch. Guess it would be better for Chris Matthews or a "reporter" of his ilk to help white wash (oops - I must be racist with that comment!)how this debacle is playing out.
For the life of me, I can't see how anyone can deny, PERIOD, what he communicated about ACA not impacting those already having insurance. Show one documented communication where he qualified his statement that if you want to keep your insurance "IF" . . .
wow. the stench of crazy on this thread is overwhelming.
I think the subtle difference is that the people COULD keep their coverage if their insurance company stayed in the game, but the insurance companies are pulling out and blaming it on the ACA.
[quote]Mark Levin is still alive to speak the truth too, thank God.
Last year I was in a cab in Las Vegas, listening to some radio show so extreme, so crazy, so cracked-out that it would have been on ham radio 20 years ago and middle-of-the-night AM radio 10 years ago. But here it was in prime time, mainstream as it could be.
It was my first introduction to Mark Levin. Clearly a huckster as cunning as any televangelist or tent-show faith healer, but I did get the sense he believed his own lunacy, the same way that a schizophrenic would believe the "facts" he Xeroxes and nails to telephone poles.
You have to hand it to Obama though. Bush would not be interviewed by any media who did not lob softball questions at him....aka Fox News. He refused to sit with any other network I believe.
@BettyBowers People who die at 43 probably shouldn’t have made their raison d’être limiting healthcare. #AndrewBreitbart
Obambi is so sorry he lied his ass off for 3 yrs.
Chuck Toad is more apt.
so many childish trolls like r81 in this thread more than others. why?
R50. Paying $2700 a year for the same product isn't part of being "civilized"- that's money that won't be saved, invested, spent on goods and services.
Also, it's the direct opposite of the "savings" that were promised in selling this scheme.
If you want to contribute $2700 a year voluntarily to subsidize other's health care, that's charity.
But you don't get to make that determination for others. You display Marie "Let Them Eat Cake" Antoinette
levels of obtuseness.
This scheme, implemented, puts the lie to the statements used to sell it. People are perfectly in their rights to call bullshit. You and the rest of the People's Temple acolytes can foam at the mouth and rave like the most maniacal Cultural Revolution zealots - trying to hide the facts and demonize dissent will not work.
Be pissed at the cretins that devised and implemented Obama's signature project, turning out an Edsel instead of a Honda Accord. Bitch at them, not people saddled with reduced, more expensive coverage.
Obama never in his life oversaw a project from rough draft to implementation. He's a ruminator, not a doer. He took this on, and delivered a dud. That outcome happens all the time. Holding the responsible parties accountable is what happens in the real world.
Which, of course, is foreign territory to faculty lounge lizards, which comprise about 95% of DLers.
May I ask if you think the medical services delivery system in the USA pre-Obamacare was fair/equitable and well-run/managed for the betterment of the most people?
Yes or no.
[quote] May I ask if you think the medical services delivery system in the USA pre-Obamacare was fair/equitable and well-run/managed for the betterment of the most people?
And that's the thing. The Obamacare haters have nothing to offer as an alternative. If they don't like Obamacare, what's THEIR plan? Just let millions of Americans remain uninsured and leave millions more stuck with shitty insurance that covers almost nothing? Their failure to offer any alternative vision of health care reform is further evidence that they don't give a shit about health care. They simply want to bash Obama.
The only people getting dropped are people with insurance that could make them go bankrupt if something happened to your health. The days of thinking you had a good policy until you got sick and declare bankruptsy are over. So any of these people saying they got dropped had a junk policy.
Others who do have good policies, are getting letters from insurance companies saying their policy will have to changed and to lock in on a new higher priced policy. This is insurance companies playing on people's fears to lock them in before they take a look at the market place and chose another insurer. Humana was charged 26k for doing this in KY. It's happening all over and it's a bullshit fishing for a money grab while implying it;s the ACA's fault, not theirs.
Why no news stories on the millions of people getting healthcare for the first time or getting on Medicade in the states allowing it? Or giving hell to the Governors for letting their people suffer rather than giving them free healthcare? Remember how Todd said it's not the media's job to call out lies about ACA? Well he hasn't learned his lesson. He called out Obama but is no help to his audience who want to know if this law will help them or not.
"Why no news stories on the millions of people getting healthcare for the first time or getting on Medicade in the states allowing it?"
Like the one and only person who has signed up so far in NC?
No, in the states that are doing it and especially the ones who have their own website that works it's already started.
Remember that states were originally supposed to run their own exchanges but the republican states are to laxy and wont even take a free hand out for their citizens.
Here at the link are the current numbers and predicted numbers for Medicaid expansion.
Example: Washington: Through its state-run exchange and Medicaid sites, Washington has signed up 26,336 people. Another 30,000 people enrolled in a low-income health program will be automatically enrolled in expanded Medicaid, bringing the total to 56,336. The state expects 270,000 people to qualify by the end of 2014.
R86 At which point? When Jonah Salk developed the polio vaccine? In the 60s? 70s? When Indian doctors became billionaires running HMOs? When there were 2 million extra-legal immigrants, pre-Simpson-Mazzoli, or now that there are 15-20 million using emergency rooms as health care?
When the Baby Boomers were young, or now that they are old and on everthing from anti-depressants to boner pills, which they want subsidized?
When Hillary Clinton and Ira Magaziner attempted to socialize the medical care sectir in 1993?
The US had the best quality health care in the world at one point. It has grown more expensive at incredible levels, and health insurance became more expensive, less accessible.
But govt subsidized programs like Medicare and Medicare are rife with fraud and abuse, shabby and expensive. That is the future.
Upshot, this isn't the same US as the one that didn't have this health insurance crisis.
Given the clusterfuck of the easy part, information science, I see no evidence that the new sxheme will be well-managed.
"Fairer"? You've all ignored the poster whose cost increased by $2700, for similar or poorer coverage.
That might endear a political party to patronage-liking voters, but that's not "fairer" to the party being screwed.
I am not seeing a solution, just your views on what the current state of affairs.
So, we should repeal Obamacare and .. do what?
Come on, big talker, enlighten us with your views.
How do we fix this national health care disgrace?
R93 Close 90% of law schools, turn them into medical, nursing, biochem, molecular biology, etc schools.
Or, chart exactly where the money is being spent, by specialty, who is receiving what services, and deal with actual quantifiable data, rather than bullshit.
Or, bring back the draft, so VA hospitals and their excellent care is open to everyone. HEH!
Or, you know, look at how they do it In Germany, or Israel, or Australia, rather tham ramming thru a law nobody had read, understood, which was implemented by cretins.
The kid who pointed out that the Emperor had no clothes? His job wasn't to be the Emperor's tailor. Even if the obsequious courtiers hated him for pointing out the unspoken, unacknowledged truth.
Chuck's little feud with Karl Rove over which one of them was cuter, now that was good television. Apparently Chuck's trendy little goatee gave him the edge.
Better yet, pass a bill that mandates that the legal industry is reformed in exactly the same fashion as the medical.
Have doctors and nurses write the Affordable Legal Care Act.
Require that everyone be required to purchase legal insurance, on penalty of jail.
Have bureaucrats and administrators determine what legal services you need, and have *them* set attorneys fees, and pay them.
r94 -- You're worthless.
Right wing conservative meme after meme.
Thanks for nothing, you were of no help, and definitely not part of the solution.
Please go back to the Red State website where you and your kind can bellyache to yourselves.
No help, definitely not part of the solution = design specs for ACA website
r98, the website will eventually be fixed, you on the other hand...are hopeless.
R99 The website should never have gone live, being FUBAR.
Still, the excuse-making and character assassination seen here are illustrative of what we can expect from the ACA bureaucracy, as well as ideologue-apologists lije yourself.
Nothing to learn from Germany or Australia or Japan re: health care systems, really?
r84 I am on of the people who had my health insurance cancelled. I was paying 200 a month so 2400 a year for what amounted to almost nothing but 60% coverage in a crisis. This health insurance I had, when I was on vacation I got sick, saw urgent care and got a prescription. The urgent care cost me 350, the script was 117.
I got a new plan through the federal market place it is 40 dollars a month more and 1000% better coverage. Now my regular scripts are free (blood pressure as opposed to paying 45 dollars a month) I get a physical a year and 80/20 coverage.
You funides live on lies of anecdotal stories "well I heard so and so has to pay 1000 a month for worse coverage." I am telling you as a person who actually has gone through this, ACA is a fucking godsend. And I get no subisdy, I am freelance and make too much to get subsidized. I can only imagine how much of a change for the better this will be for others less fortunate than I.