Which Hollywood star dimmed in your eyes as you got older?
For me, hands down, it is Kate Hepburn. Loved her as a child and a young adult. She has maybe five movies I can stand to watch now. She seems obtuse, unconcerned, and mannered. And her voice is never in character. She gets better as she gets older, but before 1940 she is hard to watch.
Gary Cooper too. He seems so dumb now. Like the Mark Wahlberg of his time.
I still love Katharine Hepburn and Gary Cooper. Have no reason to dislike them.
Pia Zadora ruled in the 70s. Not so much now in my eyes.
"She's in the attic!!!"
R1 there must be some else - it doesn't have to be Hepburn or Cooper.
Loretta Young and Gary Cooper for being Republicunts and enormous religious hypocrites.
This thread belongs to Kevin Spacey
Tom Cruise, I thought he was perfectly cast and rather good in Risky Business, Rainman, and Top Gun. While I liked the movie A Few Good Men, he was starting to wear on me, and seem like a douche. Haven't really care for him much since then, last movie of his I have seen was War of the Worlds on television. He seems like a complete nutcase and a terrible actor to me, now.
Same here, r7. I liked Tom Cruise in the 80s and early 90s but now he just gives me the creeps.
Pee Wee, loved him
Mary Tyler Moore. She was best on Dick Van Dyke and her own show, then bit off more than she could chew doing dramatic parts out of her range.
I agree R12. She was so good in The Godfather, Annie Hall and Looking for Mr. Goodbar. Then she started doing those silly rom coms.
Another one- Liza. After Arthur, everything just petered out. In the 70's and early 80's I thought she was the absolute greatest on stage and in concert.
I agree with OP's choice of Kate Hepburn. Made myself like her because everyone kept hailing her as great throughout her career and I tried to really think she must be but --- truthfully, she always irritated me -- and, now, seeing some of those films from the 40s and 50s and 60s --hate most of them now. Very over-rated actress. Give me Bergman, Stanwyck who were my all-time favorites. Now, thanks to TCM, I re-evaluate Irene Dunne, Joan Fontaine and even Hedy Lamarr! I realize I was wrong to sort of brush them off --they were actually damn good.
Cooper was different than any other men of that era. A sort of beauty that differed from other male stars and he always said so little in all of his films but, somehow, that face convinced you there was a lot going on inside that brain. Maybe there wasn't but he he convinced you there was. I think his films still hold up well today.
I love even her bad comedies from the eighties and her interview show was great - more than just stars doing publicity - despite the odd camera angles.
Then, she popped up on The View and everything went to shit.
Harrison Ford. So great in Star Wars, Indy, Blade Runner, Patriot Games. But he gradually became a bigger ass and is stoned or drunk half the time in interviews now.
Agree with R14 and OP's choice of Katharine Hepburn. Also totally agree with R14 about Gary Cooper who was a great star and different from the rest. The older I get, the more I appreciate him.
Walter Brennan, Robert Mitchum and James Stewart when I found out what huge bigots they all were.
Elvis. All I think when I see him onscreen is "bloated corpse on the bathroom floor".
Janet Jackson. After the Velvet Rope, she lost her luster.
Michael Jackson - for obvious reasons.
Tom Cruise for the same reasons mentioned upthread.
And though she may not be as funny and sharp as she once was, I still love me some Whoopi.
I am loving Meryl less and less with each picture. Her accents and mannerisms are becoming a bit cartoonish as she ages. I hate that I even wrote that, I loved her so much for so long.
Will Smith has dimmed as he's grown older. When he was young, he was so likeable. Forcing his ugly kids on us, the stupid school, etc. have made him fairly unlikeable.
Johnny Depp, I found him likable and endearing when he was younger, but have been put off by him for the last several years.
Angelina Jolie, I liked her much more before she became St. Angelina.
Shirley McClaine...loved her 60's movies like Woman x 7 and Can Can, then she got all past life bullshit on me and all sour puss faced and phoney. She was in an elevator with me wearing a big sun hat and looked so unfriendly. Heard she is cheap as shit and mistreated her daughter...hence turned me off. Like she gives a shit what I think.
How was Mitchum a bigot?
In any event, it makes no difference to me what an actor is like in his/her personal life, so long as the performances hold up. They're not my friends, they just provide a service & it's the quality of the service that matters -- pretty much like my relationship with the plumber, whose politics are irrelevant if he can just fix the toilet.
OK I was only a kid but
Helen Lawson burns brighter for me with each passing year!
Madonna was on fire when I was a kid in the 80s. Yes, her songs and movies were spotty, but she had a ton of charisma, style and mystique about her. She was mesmerizing. Then Truth or Dare came out.That movie revealed way too much about her and showed her to be a spoiled, common idiot.
[r19] Mitchum not a bigot at all. I worked with him -- a big ol' closeted queen but not a bigot.
It was said that Mitchum refused to star in The Defiant Ones with Sidney Poitier. Because he was black. Allegedly he was on a location shoot for one of his films in Africa, where he gleefully used the "n" word because apparently the African tribesmen didn't understand English.
James Stewart allegedly snubbed Woody Strode on the set of The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance. He was from a town in PA that was lily-white and quite racist. He also was racist toward black actor Hal Williams on the set of his short-lived TV show.
Walter Brennan hated blacks, especially Martin Luther King, and even did a dance when he found out that the civil rights leader had been slain.
Agree with Hepburn, Cruise, Depp, Michael Jackson and lots of the names mentioned here.
I'll add Mel Gibson. He was hot when he was young and seemed like a nice enough guy....now I loathe him.
Also - James Franco. He just seems tired and lame now, plus he always looks like he hasn't showered.
Meryl, Shirley Maclaine, Rex Harrison.
[r31] Mitchum turned down the role because he was on a chain gang in the South and the film seems to forget all about segregation, i.e. blacks and whites would never be chained together. Can't speak to your other claims. I just can't see Bob doing all that, however.
Will Smith and Johnny Depp are excellent examples of dimming stars. I adored some of their early work, and liked what I saw of their personalities. As they've gotten older their work has become less and less interesting, and personalities have lost their appeal (to put it politely).
I think modern celebrity culture makes the dimming inevitable, at least for actors. Celebrities are all so overexposed they can no longer vanish into a role, we're too aware of their douchebaggery and "brand".
What's this about Robert Mitchum being a closet queen?!
R26, you have a good point.
To this day I love Peter Sellers and Errol Flynn on screen, but still can't stomach how sociopathic they were offscreen.
Darling, get yourself to an eye doctor. It's cataracts.
Meryl. The epitome of Over-acting. And don't get me started on those 'accents'.
Bing Crosby. Loved him all through my childhood and early adulthood EVEN after I heard the rumblings that he was a wretched father. As the years wore on and more stories came out and his sons started committing suicide, I thought "Boy, he must have been a tyrant." Something wasn't right there. I just started looking at every movie, even White Christmas, and there was and still is always lurking some queasy feeling about him.
Now, Joan Crawford I still love. Not sure what went down in that crazy house but she wasn't ALL bad.
[R14] I agree re: Cooper. I didn't notice it when I was younger but I watched Beau Geste a couple years ago on TCM one night and became really intrigued by him. Whatever his personal ideas may have been I think he was quite a good actor and very handsome.
Most of the limousine liberal types. After moving to Hwood and realizing the outrageous hypocrisy in what they say vs. what they do has a sort of creepy payoff to them, that they like being that fake because they're coked out and schizoid, I now actually have a suspicious feeling about most actors, definitely the ones telling me how to behave.
Bette Davis -- just as bad K. Hepburn or M. Streep
Judy Garland -- she wouldn't even try to get better. She would rather pop a pill
[r36] yes, dear, he much preferred the man sex
Lindsay Lohan--I'm not joking. In 2004, it looked like she was going to be a big star and she was a decent actress, and by 2005, she started skidding of the rails. We don't need to go over what happened to her AFTER that.
Madonna--my music taste is really different now, so I don't really care to listen to her music. She should just retire and focus on raising her kids.
Tom Cruise--isn't it funny how before he married Katie Holmes, loads of hetero women were always talking about how "hot" Tom Cruise was? Now, he just seems like a huge freaking joke.
The Rolling Stones--they are just weird to look at and they stopped making great music decades ago. Give it a rest.
I wouldn't exactly call him a Hollywood star, but I now can't stand Alec Guinness. I used to admire his performances, but now they seem to stilted.
And I never liked Gary Cooper. I managed to watch about 15 minutes of "The Fountainhead" and found him hideous. In all fairness, the story is hideous.
Harrison Ford did seem to be just going through the motions more and more as time went by. I just read an interview of him and he came off as a bit of an ass. Clearly did not want to be doing the interview, which is understandable, but don't take it out on the reporter.
Mariah Carey--she was terrific up until about 1996. Mottola knew how to manage her and she was better when she was singing mostly mediocre adult-contemporary stuff rather than the fake R&B she started releasing from Butterfly onwards. She also looked a LOT better in the early 1990's.
Whitney Houston--as a kid, it would never cross my mind she would be a crack addict. Ohhh, but she was! She was probably always engaged with drugs when she was in the spotlight, her nice girl image was exactly that--an image.
Julia Roberts--the most hated person on DL?
James Woods. I will never doubt his talent, but when I read what a first class ass he is, my admiration nosedived.
Rex Harrison was a simply horrible and cruel and nasty person.
Glenn Ford - he was filming in Japan in the late 1950s, and refused to share a tin of his cookies with Japanese children. He was angry when the children "stole" his cookies from the tin and then proceeded to hide them.
Always a freeper that rears it's ugly head, r42.
[quote]Julia Roberts--the most hated person on DL?
Which makes any DLer with an ounce of wit adore her.
R50, no! Not in the least. Seriously. I had to face that part of it. Some are humble, giving people, but these aren't the attention hogs I'm talking about.
Robert DeNiro for his movie choices of the last two decades.
Robert DeNiro and Jack Nicholson both became less compelling as the years rolled on.
Drew Barrymore was never the greatest actress, but I grew up with E.T. and Firestarter, and loved many of her B-movies like Guncrazy and Poison Ivy. She also seemed like a genuine free spirit well into her 30s. Now she's just another breeder making boring Hollywood tripe.
Natalie Wood --- A beautiful woman and I liked her movies when I was younger. When I see one now, I still think she was beautiful but her acting ability was very limited.
Also, I've been very disappointed in the crap that Robert DeNiro has made over the past 15-20 years. His earlier films are great but he hasn't made a decent movie in over a decade.
Clint Eastwood has been disappointing lately.
I was just about to post Clint Eastwood, someone I thought was fairly intelligent but no longer do. R58 beat me to it.
Just about every actor or actress I've liked have dimmed in star power. Makes no difference to me. I'll enjoy them as I want to, as long as I want to. Eventually, I may not be so enthusiastic, but I have their earlier work to feast my eyes on. I'm that way about numerous actors and actresses.
Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt, Johnny Depp. But I guess they faded in everybody's eyes, didn't they?
I was always uneasy about Clint Eastwood's movies. Now I'm happy that I know why. He's just soooooooo conservative.
All celeb Scientologists, esp. Tom Cruise, Oprah, Rosie O'Donnell.
I don't understand why people put actors, athletes or musicians in such high regard. They're just entertainers. They have a small range of talent that is hyped by the money men to extract huge sums of money from the masses. Sad.
Lucille Ball-tried too hard to be funny.
Robert Mitchum is a closet queen only on the Datalounge.
R68, nope. Have heard that about him for decades. Seriously.
[quote]James Franco. He just seems tired and lame now, plus he always looks like he hasn't showered.
He was on Charlie Rose last night. He looked fabulous. And very, very clean.
[quote]I don't understand why people put actors, athletes or musicians in such high regard. They're just entertainers. They have a small range of talent that is hyped by the money men to extract huge sums of money from the masses. Sad.
I wonder about this, too. Acting is a minor talent, and yet actors are treated as if they're the marvels of the universe.
Surprised no one has mentioned Elizabeth Taylor. At least, Davis and Helpburn continued to make films, mostly bad. Taylor did as well, just not as many. I do understand that her health was not good. Still, she certainly fills the OP description.
R65, I like musicians when I like the music they make. I do not venerate any of them. In fact, I'd actually rather not know that much about musicians' personal lives. I might not like them -- it's happened -- if I knew more than they reveal in their music.
As for actors, they're pretty. I like looking at them. I like drama. They put it together for me. They're the face I attach to the drama. I don't spend much time reading about them, though, or their personal lives.
Charleton Heston. As a kid, The Omega Man, Planet Of the Apes, and such and then he went off the deep end.
"I wonder about this, too. Acting is a minor talent, and yet actors are treated as if they're the marvels of the universe."
Well, 99.9999% of people watch movies and tv shows on a daily basis.
"Most of the limousine liberal types. After moving to Hwood and realizing the outrageous hypocrisy in what they say vs. what they do has a sort of creepy payoff to them, that they like being that fake because they're coked out and schizoid, I now actually have a suspicious feeling about most actors, definitely the ones telling me how to behave."
But I guess you don't mind the conservative ones who tell you how to behave, or the ones who endorse the Bible but have mistresses galore...
Will Smith, and Warren Beatty who is a really bad actor but in the days of Bonnie and Clyde, Shampoo and Heaven Can Wait he was so gorgeous that nobody noticed. Also can't stand Jennifer Lopez. Her manager Benny Medina is the talented one in that career. Also Beyonce is all promotion, no real talent, but her looks and ex crack dealer husband keep her in the public eye. She is also a terrible dancer. She makes abrupt moves with her head but has no grace. Gwyneth I love because she is self destructing before our eyes.
Gwen Stefani. When I was young, I thought she was unique and quirky. Then, as I got older, I realized how No Doubt was actually the lamest of all the "alternative" bands that arose during the 90's. And it became apparent how Gwen is actually not particularly interesting or quirky. There were loads of other females in the 90's with more talent and who were more unique than Gwen, but No Doubt sold a TON of records, probably due to the blandness of their sound.
No Doubt had 2 great songs: Just a Girl and Don't Speak. Other than that, their album I forget the title but these songs were in them, is unlistenable.
Watched one of their concerts and the only song I like was their cover of Obladi-Oblada. That got me worried about concerts at the time: were they always this lame?
-No, it really depends on the band.
R81 - that wasn't my point! They're assholes too! I don't care about their 'political polarity'!
R86, it's funny, their only song I like is "Don't Speak" and that was played into the oblivion. It was the number one airplay song for about 14 weeks, I think? Just a Girl is like a lame fake-ska version of Girls Just Wanna Have Fun. And Cyndi Lauper was much quirkier and talented than Gwen Stefani ever was.
You are right, Girls Just Wanna Have Fun is better. And, to add to the obscure relationships thread, her husband was in High Art. Very funny in that, too.
Brittney. Fat, lifeless performer who does not dance but merely struts from place to place on the stage and sits for very long intervals to catch her breath.
John Travolta. Used to love him, now I think he's just a pathetic liar who is clinging to the closet.
Jackie Gleason. He was hilarious in the "Classic Honeymooners" series, but I found him less and less funny the older he became. His last few movies were wretched.
He was great in "THE HUSTLER" as a serious dramatic actor.
He's a fucking pervert, so I hope his new movie tanks.
$33,000 in it's first 2 wks.
I'd say the old farts are tanking.
I was a Lucille Ball fan until stories about her cruel, despicable behavior toward her co-stars and guest stars surfaced. After she became "Queen Bee" in television, she became an unbearable, cruel and arrogant cunt. No wonder Desi fucked around with other women. How could he fuck an iceberg? When she aged and became more caricature, she became more hateful and abusive. I think she slapped a stewardess and heard she was abusive to her hairdressers. "Mame" had to be a nightmare for all involved. Some of the big stars never know when to quit, or at least age gracefully into character roles. She was one of them, as evidenced by her failed sitcom in the 1980s.
Sean Connery - a good Bond to be sure, but he turned out to be a nasty wife beating self absorbed jackass and I can't help thinking about who he is when I seen him on film.
I think Lucille Ball threw \ta cup f coffee at a stewardess. Maybe she slapped another?
After her career wound down and she would appear on various talk shows, she came across as a shrewish, cold bitch most the time...I still remember her rudeness towards Valerie Harper on Dinah Shore's talk show...the stories of her bitchery after her death weren't such a surprise.
Obviously a very bitter, unhappy woman. The one I feel sympathy for is Gary Morton.
Pierce Brosnan. The fat wife thing doesn't bother me, but that awful pic he drew for the new CALIF license plates to get your animals spayed and neutered is awful.
Purple dog plate.
"Sean Connery - a good Bond to be sure, but he turned out to be a nasty wife beating self absorbed jackass and I can't help thinking about who he is when I seen him on film."
The man is TEFLON. He did awful things but people still see him as this wonderful legend.
Why feel sympathy for Gary Morton? After he hooked up with Lucy he never worked another day in his life and did nothing but play golf. Sounds pretty good to me.
Joan Crawford. Was fascinated by her padded-shouldered melodrama as a child. As I grew up, though, I could see the bitch in her just barely under the surface in almost every movie role.
Because of my age (b. 1961), I never liked Katharine Hepburn or John Wayne. They seemed starchy, elderly, and preachy. I can appreciate some of Hepburn's early work, but her 70-80's period was really unappealing. John Wayne maybe I could watch if the movie was good, but he is similar to her in my book - past century dinosaurs, no where as interesting as Bette Davis, Barbara Stanwyck, Montgomery Clift, Marlon Brando, etc. Hepburn also went down several notches for authorizing that bitchy book to come out from her housekeeper after she died ... what a cunt.
As for other modern stars who also grew old and disappointed: Ryan O'Neal (drug addict, wife beater), Burt Reynolds (closeted, angry), Barbra Streisand (The Guilt Trip?), Robert DeNiro (Meet the Fockers), Al Pacino (working with Adam Sandler), Dianne Keaton (silly choices).
Marlon Brando. what a horrible human being.
I saw Lucille Ball interact with Gary Morton once around 1984 in NYC. She treated him like hired help. While Lucy told everyone there how much she valued Gary, the next minute or so always seemed to tell a very different story.
Melissa Joan Hart (for obvious reasons). No, she's not some big star but lots of kids my age watched her Nickelodeon show and then Sabrina. So yeah, definitely her.
I just had a birthday.
I'm probably a bit older than R108, but I grew up watching Lisa Whelchel, Kirk Cameron, Scott Baio and Ricky Schroeder and never would have thought they'd turn out the way they did. Hell, throw the Coreys in there too.
"I'm probably a bit older than R108, but I grew up watching Lisa Whelchel, Kirk Cameron, Scott Baio and Ricky Schroeder and never would have thought they'd turn out the way they did"
Who thought Chachi and Blair would turn out to be such freeper assholes? They seemed harmless at the time.
Where is there anyone close to a Hollywood star mentioned by r108 ,r109 or r110?
Tween supporting actors on terrible television sitcoms were "Stars"? Was the realization of puberty too much for y'all or when exactly did these firmaments dim?
Jessica Lange got so affected.
I disagree about Scott Baio, R114. I don't think he's misguided, just an asshole. And I never could figure out why anyone thought he was hot. Same with Cameron. Both were almost ugly.
R105, don't forget that Ryan O'Neal screwed Melanie Griffith and she was one of Tatum's friends. Oh, and he apparently punched Tatum when he found out she was nominated for Paper Moon. Oh, and at Farah Fawcett's funeral, he hit on a Swedish woman. Well, she was Swedish until she said " Daddy, it's me, Tatum!". What a screwed up man.
Lisa W is not a freeper.
I disagree on Brad Pitt. I think he's become more interesting as he's aged. He's done interesting roles, and though he's a very mediocre actor, he's challenging himself at a time when most actors of his age and status (see: Cruise, Depp, Smith, Clooney) put into auto drive and just collect huge paydays.
R120 - That doesn't make her a freeper. Lisa dumped her fundie hubby and has grown a great deal recently.
it saddens me to say... Kevin Spacey. He was so sexy and mysterious, and now his whole presence is tired and elitist.
Lisa Whelchel is publically pro life which is one of the reasons I love her.
R123 - I think her ex is gay too. I don't know for sure.
Lisa left him about the time she was on Survivor. She was going through a lot back then.
I think after
I like Jodie as a person, but I really thought she would have a dynamic adult acting career like Meryl Streep. She seemed a little cuckoo at the Golden Globes, and it would have been so much easier for everyone involved if she had simply used less words ("I am a lesbian and it's no big deal but I am happy to say it tonight"). Maybe she'll do something impressive again (acting or directing).
Kathleen Turner ... wow, I used to love her. She was a really big movie star. It's great that she came back and triumphed on Broadway, and this makes me admire her again.
Debra Winger ... she is kind of in the Jodie category. I really thought she would have a long, interesting acting career. Maybe being too difficult or aloof has its price?
Meryl has only gotten brighter, and this is really rare.
R128 - Have you seen A Perfect Family with Kathleen?
I have not seen "A Perfect Family."
I wish I had seen Kathleen Turner on stage in "Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf" -- that seemed like a genuine triumph for her, and it's really hard to make a comeback in show biz.
Throw Mel Gibson on to the sad "throw away" pile. I loved him in "Gallipoli" and "The Year of Living Dangerously," but then he started making those Lethal Weapon movies and any sex appeal or real potential went right out the window. Then he became really vile, and to this day he has not recovered (he may never; talk about screwing the pooch).
Oddly, Julia Roberts is going up in appeal again.
R130 - In A Perfect Family, Kathleen plays a Catholic woman who is up for an award from her church. She is trying to convince the award committee and herself that she has the perfect family, and in doing so she makes a hypocrite of herself and alienates herself from her family.
Kathleen is really good in the role.
Thanks, I will check it out.
"Kirk is a scumbag of the first degree"
He also bullied anorexic Tracey Gold about her weight. So Christ-like!
R133 - Kirk also got his co-star Julie McCullough fired because she posed for playboy.
Op, I have made similar posts regarding the mannered, studied and wooden performances of Katharine H. I GOT EXCORIATED. Good Luck here at the temple of Kate.
P.S. Meryl is what Kate should have been.
Always a dip shit loser rears its ugly head R50
Benicio Del Toro - he was fun to watch until about five years ago
John Cusack - he is an 80s movie icon and held up well in the 90s and then sort of just faded away
Giovanni Ribisi - he always stood out in smaller, smart roles and then something inexplicable happened - Scientology?
I believe Ribisi is a CO$ lifer. Born and raised.
Maybe there's a thread idea - stars who got brighter as you got older. As they did too.
Clooney lost his luster. I still like his real life personality but he's the same in every role he plays and got so old looking.
George is following Meryl in the only getting brighter category. He produces and acts in worthwhile projects, and he uses his celebrity wisely. Brad Pitt and his production company are also really respected.
Johnny Depp is in a strange place ... I can't remember the last time that I paid to see him in a film and thought he was really good.
Will Smith is kind of tanking. Big time.
Tom Cruise works hard and helps employ a lot of people, but he is odd and I think his fame is on autopilot. I would love to hear the haggling when David Miscavige asks his business manager for money.
1. Shirley MacLaine yecchhh
This B+ list mostly movie actress who used to be A list back in the day and still has A list name recognition from some of the greatest movies ever got so hammered on a recent flight that flight attendants thought she might have died. They tried to rouse her several times over the course of the flight but it took almost two hours before she was able to open her eyes. An hour later when the plane landed the actress had to be helped off the plane but refused a wheelchair and stumbled along to baggage claim. Sigourney Weaver
Oh, please. Who hasn't gotten shitfaced drunk on a flight?
Wouldn't that be Lange, R145? I can't picture Weaver getting shitfaced in public.
Except Jessica Lange is D list for movies. Smoker and a drunk.
Guyssh, could thishh have been me??
Lizsha, at Luigi'shh dancshh shhhtudio
Blythe Danner, for obvious reasons.
Robert De Niro. Meryl Streep. Al Pacino.
They are now whores who trade on their past reputation to make a fast buck making crappy movies.
Still have a fondness for Jessica Lange. Sure, she's doing television. She still brings an integrity, humanity and commitment to her performances.
Jessica Lange is better because she is doing a Ryan Murphy show? That's rich.
[bold]Which Hollywood star dimmed in your eyes as you got older?[/bold]
I grew up in the 1970s and 1980s. He was thrilling and inventive. Jonathan Winters was his inspiration.
Williams became difficult for me to tolerate.
All this is me referring to his standup comedy. I think his quality acting took over and he lost it as a comedian. Now with his CBS comedy series, [italic]The Crazy Ones[/italic], he is unwatchable. So is most of that show.
Streisand. I was obsessed with her as a kid. Her early albums and FUNNY GIRL, COLOR ME BARBRA on TV are landmarks of musical entertainment. As a singer, Garland was her only peer (Mary!). I used to think there was nothing she could not do.
Since the '80s she's steadily frittered away her early promise as an actress and her recordings became shlock. Nowadays if she produces something of quality it seems like an accident.
She abandoned Tiffany and Art Deco for Thomas Kinkaide and a cutesie basement Ye Olde Shopping Malle.
R145, as I read that, I was guessing Sarandon, not Weaver.
Being a Baby Boomer, I try not to judge the previous generations with current politically correct standards. After reading biography after biography, the Golden Age actors were racist and reactionary by today's standards, yet were more enlightened than the general US population. As previously noted, it's best to appreciate the performance---not the personal views---of the actor.
Ava Gardner and Judy Garland have only increased in luminosity with passing time, despite their personal problems.
Definitely Mel Gibson, followed by Tom Cruise. It's hard to like crazy.
Natalie Wood. Beautiful but couldn't act her way out of a bag.
Michael Jackson brightened in my eyes as I got older.
I used to idolize Marilyn Monroe and even got her face tattooed on my arm, but now I'm removing it because she was a negative person.
OP must have horrible tastes! Hepburn is wonderful and a delight to look at, any age, any film. The only timeless legend with distinct personnality and appeal that influenced entire generations of women. One of a kind who'll never be matched. Watch her movies and be quiet, OP!
R145 Come on, who can really picture Sigourney Weaver doing that?
[quote]OP must have horrible tastes! Hepburn is wonderful and a delight to look at, any age, any film. The only timeless legend with distinct personnality and appeal that influenced entire generations of women. One of a kind who'll never be matched. Watch her movies and be quiet, OP!
There'll never be any actor quite as bad as her.
Oprah. What a disappointment as she got older. Crappy network and reduced herslf to begging for an Oscar nomination. She should have done like Greta Garbor after her talk show went off the air and just disappeared. I believe many people in the industry lost respect for her. She lost her aura.
Janet Jackson. Everyone lost respect for her after the superbowl stunt. She fell off hard and never could recover. Literally destroyed everything she worked hard for all those years just by exposing a titty.
Whitney Houston. Had the world at her feet but destroyed it beause of a crack pipe. I think she even more than Michael was the biggest let down.
[quote]I agree with OP's choice of Kate Hepburn. Made myself like her because everyone kept hailing her as great throughout her career and I tried to really think she must be but --- truthfully, she always irritated me -- and, now, seeing some of those films from the 40s and 50s and 60s --hate most of them now. Very over-rated actress.
This sums it up.
Used to like George Clooney, now I feel like vomiting when I just see his face.
Patty Duke which makes and made me very sad
[quote]Janet Jackson. Everyone lost respect for her after the superbowl stunt. She fell off hard and never could recover. Literally destroyed everything she worked hard for all those years just by exposing a titty.
It was so unfair how she was maligned, but Timberlake was let off the hook.
Former FCC Chairman Admits Janet Jackson Was Treated “Unfairly” After Super Bowl
 Agree with you regarding Oprah. She has truly become a Brand, although she has had many admirable accomplishments. It happened for me when she went on her world - wide hissy fit because she had either not lost weight or gained weight leading her to feeling all left out for a milestone gathering for Tina Turner a few years ago. She flat out had a public pity party over this. It was all about Her and her insecurities over not feeling like one of the girls in her circle. Not much sympathy here.
Here's someone I hope doesn't dim and keeps going strong - Joseph Gordon-Levitt. I think he's immensely multi-talented, innovative and has the potential to be a major future influence beyond acting. He's taken risks with roles, we'll educated. Seems to have vision for the industry. Keeping my fingers crossed. Love his attitude.
I always liked Whitney, even when she was completely fucked up and I wonder if she had not been born into a family of religious hypocrites her life would have gone in a different direction. That interview with her mother and Oprah gave me the chills. What a hatred filled woman her mother was/is.
[quote]I agree with OP's choice of Kate Hepburn. Made myself like her because everyone kept hailing her as great throughout her career and I tried to really think she must be but --- truthfully, she always irritated me -- and, now, seeing some of those films from the 40s and 50s and 60s --hate most of them now. Very over-rated actress.
Martin Freeman (Sherlock, Fargo,The Hobbit) is a talented racist, sexist, homophobic asshole. I wish this wasn't the case.
Kate Hepburn has no place on this thread.
the actors from films from the 30's & 40's look better and better as do those films themselves. Hepburn, Tracy, Brando etc., All leagues above most actors working today.
When M said on 60 minutes she thought actors were better today than in the golden era, I thought "this woman is permanently and totally full of shit"
Look at Miss R175 telling us who should and shouldn't be on this thread.
Gary Cooper was never much of an actor. He was a great physical presence, though. Aged gracefully too.
Totally concur about Pacino and DeNiro. Al got progressively hammier, and Bob got so much less selective about what he did. Their early work is still great.
[quote]I am loving Meryl less and less with each picture.
Totally agree, and there was a time when I loved her. When a friend who is a Streep fan dragged me to see Doubt, I realized it had been a long time since I had gone to see a Streep movie.
Perhaps not entirely fitted to this thread, but I totally agree about Katherine Hepburn. The more I see of her the more I feel she is just completely overrated.
Brando. His his horrible personal life, and obesity ruined him. He became a caricature of himself.
James Franco and Lady Gaga. I cannot believe what is considered art today. God those two are morons.
For me definitely Robert DeNiro. As a teenager I was obseesed with the man. I really thought he was the greatest American actor who ever lived. As I got older and rewatched his films I realized what a ham he was and sorta one note. Watching the Godfather Part II again I felt that Al Pacino's performance was more deserving of the Oscar than DeNiro's wooden performance. I'm not saying he is a bad actor but as time goes by you really see how overrated he is. His last great performance was in Raging Bull. Everything else was downhill from there. All his movie roles today are down right embarrassing. I was watching Angel Heart the other day on Netflix and Mickey Rourke blew him off the screen.
R87, then why begin your post with limosine liberals?
Vilma Banky and Rod La Rocque.
I don't, R101. I can't help it when I see him on screen, his nasty personality is all I see.
I thought The Fonz was so fucking hot!
Then I turned 15.
And started noticing the double chin and the fact that Henry Wrinkler sounds like a nice Jewish Mom.
Interesting how seldom Bette Davis is mentioned here. She kept working until the end with several very serious illnesses, and died in Paris a few days after receiving a life-time achievement award in Spain.
R164, it's possible that she took something for the flight and didn't realize the effects with alcohol or had a bad reaction to some other medication with alcohol.
Years ago, I was on allergy medication in college and after a single beer, they had to practically carry me to the car.
Meryl owns this thread.
Shirley McClaine never could act, always plays the same snarky, somewhat bitchy character; she can be entertaining at times, but a little bit goes a ong way.
Cruise--no acting ability. Gibson--always hyper in all his roles, no real talent.
The only movie I ever liked Katharine Hepburn in is The Lion in Winter--and I think I liked that for the music more than anything.
Never got Audrey Hepburn at all.
Can't stand Gene "I am in love with myself" Kelly.
Danny Kaye always hammed it up.
I thought most of Joan Crawford's movies were good; she may not be a great actress, but she was pretty darn good in Mildred Pierce.
Doris Day is a very good actress but rarely realized her potential. Even Helen Mirren made this comment.
I know people will disagree, but I really don't think Judy Garland is that great in A Star Is Born. She is quite hammy and overdone in many scenes, and that long scene in the beach house where she sings and dons pieces of clothing is unwatchable. When I first saw this movie, I thought it was great, but it does not hold up for me.
Nearly everything with Elizabeth Taylor. Ugh. Good in A Place in the Sun, though.
Mel Gibson & Tom Cruise. And Nicolas Cage.
Bette's career had phases, and her latter life was no picnic with the illnesses. But throughout, she didn't stint or phone anything in. Her best stuff still holds up. Even the not so great scripts (The Great Lie, A Stolen Life) still look better than they were, thanks to her.
I'd say Barbara Stanwyck is another whose rep is not diminished to me.
[quote]Interesting how seldom Bette Davis is mentioned here. She kept working until the end with several very serious illnesses, and died in Paris a few days after receiving a life-time achievement award in Spain.
That's why. She did it the hard way.
Still love Katharine Hepburn and Gary Cooper. No apologies; No second thoughts. They, particularly Miss Hepburn were in a class by themselves.
She was much beloved by fellow actors. And he was a real star, who wasn't involved in major scandals.
Bette David and Barbara Stanwyck are two of the finest actresses of all time.
Even in weaker scripts, you could not stop watching them, but I can't exactly even think of any weaker scripts.
These are 2 to study if one wants to become an actor.
I worked with Robert Mitchum as well and he was was the farthest thing from homo....just the opposite in fact. BS to whomever is claiming this as fact....
I think real-life Bette Davis was a complete asshole. Ditto: Marlene Dietrich, Sinatra, Peter Sellers, John Phillips, Jackie Gleason, Joan Fontaine, Oprah, Nic Cage, Ryan O'Neal, Tom Hanks, Chevy Chase - just a bunch nasty socipaths, like show biz is filled with. It's probably easier to list the exceptions.
Another one I'll add is Mary Tyler Moore. I read an interview once - just about her only comment about her 27 year old son who'd just committed suicide was, "You give them everything but nothing is ever good enough for them." WTF?
Vanessa Redgrave also seemed unmoved after her daughter Natasha died. I read an interview soon after (she was doing a play) and the only Natasha comment was, "Ah Natasha - she was the merry one."
I also read an interview of Natasha once where she told about a dinner party where someone asked Vanessa what she thought about meeting the Dalai Lama at an event - or maybe it was Bill Clinton - some mega-person. Anyway, Vanessa said, "Dahling, all that matters is what he thought of ME!!!" (Natasha remarked, "Can you imagine what I've put up with all these years?")
Jane Fonda for becoming a God-damned Southern Baptist in her dotage. I always knew she was an airhead but give me a fucking break. And Republican-donor Joan Rivers - I loved her till I found that out. Ginger Rogers was a Repug too but it was a different age so that doesn't bother me as much as the current batch of wingnuts - but after 1940, Ginger went from being luminescent and just a joy to behold to being a mannered, prissy, over-bedazzled hag.
Always found Gene Kelly, Mickey Rooney, Van Johnson, Angelina Jolie, and Beyonce disgusting, for one reason or another (hammy, dumb, narcissistic)... I could go on all day. I think I'll try to make a list of who I do like (that won't take long)
Cooper did not age gracefully, R178. When he was cast to play opposite a young Audrey Hepburn in Love in the Afternoon, he had aged very badly. He looked out of place next to her and the film never did well because of it.
Cooper had a facelift in the late 1950s. This was front page news--see link below.
It didn't seem to have much effect, however.
Jon Voight. To see him for the first time in "Midnight Cowboy" was instant erection for me. It was all downhill from there.
His politics drove in the final nail years ago.
Jack Nicholson has been a big disappointment. I loved him in some of his earlier movies, then he began playing the same character every time. That got old fast.
I've seen Gene Kelly mentioned several times in this thread. I never cared for him as an actor, partly because his voice bothered me. I always thought he was terrible in romantic scenes, but his performance of Rhapsody in Blue in American in Paris is sublime.
Jessica Lange may be a wonderful actress, but I've never been able to get past her voice. I can't stand when grown women talk like little girls.
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