DICKINSON, TX (KTRK) -- A 12-year-old Dickinson student's breakfast was tossed in the trash, because his account was short by just 30 cents. His mother is upset, so we went to the school district to ask questions about their policy -- one they say they stand by.
Jennifer Castilleja had to make an extra trip to her son's middle school in Dickinson Wednesday morning.
She said, "My son called me and asked me if I could bring him some money because they took his breakfast from him and he needed money for breakfast."
Her son, a sixth grader at Barber Middle School in Dickinson ISD is on reduced meals. He pays for his meals from an account that his mother deposits money into, but it was empty.
"I said, 'Well, I'm on my way, I'll pay for it,'" Castilleja recalled. "And she said no, I would have to bring some money before he could have breakfast."
The reduced breakfast only cost 30 cents, but the cafeteria server went ahead and threw the boy's breakfast away and sent him to class.
Castilleja said, "There were kids all around him. I think he may have been a little embarrassed and upset and, of course, hungry."
We spoke with Dickinson ISD and they said it's a policy they stand by.
"Dickinson ISD's procedure is that we do not allow student charges for breakfast. Many school districts follow this same procedure. Students get verbal warnings to let parents know once the account starts getting low. Written warnings are sent home to parents before money runs out."
Castilleja admits either her son forgot to relay the verbal warning or she forgot to replenish his account. Either way, she feels the policy should allow for breakfast charges that can be repaid.
"Or telling the child, we are going to feed you, but go to the office and call your parent and let them know that you need money," Castilleja suggested. "Anything than sending them to class hungry."
There's no word if Dickinson ISD plans to amend the breakfast policy. Castilleja took breakfast to her son and money for lunch.
That sums up the current state of Texas. Hateful, spiteful, sanctimonious assholes who attach morality to a human issue like hunger. They would rather see a child - a CHILD - go hungry for 30 fucking cents than let go of their belief that it is the child and mother's own fault for being poor. These cretins are revolted by the mere idea of helping the poor - adult or child.
What if the kid got angry and acted like a little shit BEFORE the breakfast was thrown out? What if he insulted the cafeteria worker? What if he had an "attitude of entitlement" or some such thing? What if. What if. Human behavior is complex. There is NO excuse for letting a child go hungry but there might be an explanation. You know, beyond some draconian soup Nazi just pitching poor Oliver's life sustaining bowl of oatmeal. In other words, there is likely more to the story.
THAT POLICY SUCKS ASS and I agree that this was wrong. I just wonder what "really went down."
It's what Jesus would have done.
Oh, wait, no it isn't.
Oh ffs...this is a 12-year-old boy, not a little kindergartner. The schools DO send home several notices as the child's balance nears zero. Most school meal accounts are managed online now, so the mother would have likely received emails as well. A 12-year-old is old enough to remind his mother that his balance is running out, the cafeteria cashier would have been telling him for several days before that he was getting low as well as sending home paper notices. Between the middle-school aged child and the mother, SOMEONE should have been able to remember.
WHY someone actually took the time to write up an article on this is beyond me. So big deal, he missed a breakfast... because of his own irresponsibility... momma brought the money in and now he can eat. Nothing to see here. But no... someone HAD to make a huge ordeal out of it.
So, when will the kid and his mother be doing the talk show rounds? Have they set up a facebook page with a button for school meal donations yet?
What R4 said. I don't know why this is news -- I'd daresay every school in America deals with it on a regular basis. If the kid doesn't have the money for a meal and hasn't brought one from home, the cafeteria ladies fix him a cheese sandwich or something. He just can't have the government-approved meal.
Have you ever been 12, R4? I doubt it. I think you've always been a crotchety old bat.
If the kid is eating breakfast at school, isn't that a sign that he comes from a family with money problems? For all we know, school policy sets a minimum $$ reload on the account that the family didn't have. For some people, coming up with $5 is a juggling act.
Feed the child.
Why is this here?
Was any of-age cock presented?
[quote]If the kid doesn't have the money for a meal and hasn't brought one from home, the cafeteria ladies fix him a cheese sandwich or something. He just can't have the government-approved meal.
But that's not what happened. Did you even read the article? They threw his breakfast in the garbage because he was 30 cents short. They were prepared to let him go without food until his mother came in with more money.
Poor kid. They couldn't have just let it slide and given him a damn sandwich? Ridiculous.
You can see their point; they'd warned him, and there was no guarantee if she gave him the meal that he'd have money for the next one. 12 year olds have skewed priorities, and as someone said, they may have had this issue in the past. If it's not important enough for him or his mother to focus on, this was the way to get their attention.
Again, he's 12! A child. I certainly didn't have my act fully together when I was 12 and I doubt this kid does either.
His mother should have been on the ball, yes, and ultimately it's her responsibility. But the lunch lady should have had a fucking heart and dealt with his account balance another time.
This is breakfast we're talking about. Food. Something essential to life and good health. It's not a luxury item.
What the hell is wrong with you people?
Meanwhile, in developed parts of the world....
I grew up poor in Scotland, so my lunch was free. If you forgot your card occasionally, they'd let you eat and punch it the next day. If you habitually forgot or lost it, they would turn you away to teach you a lesson. If that had happened to me and I'd told my mother, I'm sure her answer would have been "then don't forget it the next time".
12 is old enough to remember your lunch card or lunch money.
I am with r8. Why is this posted here? OP, what was your rationale for starting this thread?
How do you know they hadn't been giving him breakfast for two weeks without his card bring replenished? You don't know. Lots of people try to get away with shit, even for 30 cents a day. The mother had the money. Either she or the kid were ignoring the notices to replenish the card. When my son's account gets low, they notify him and us with notes and emails.
r16, are you poor? This child comes from a poor family. Again, coming up with $$ may be a juggling act for them. Either way, a child shouldn't be punished.
And if you think the child SHOULD be punished, have you ever eaten one of those godawful school meals?
R23 to domestic violence victim: "What did you do to make him hit you?"
I think you're lost, R18
Directed at r2.
I think the point is that they'd rather throw it away than let him run a tab.
That was so fucking evil, but it did happen in Texas...
Shouldn't have happened -- either the trashing of the breakfast OR the hysterical overreaction.
What in holy fuck is Mommy doing rushing back to the school like Mighty Mouse with 30 cents in her fist? The kid's not going to turn into a Biafran orphan by missing one breakfast.
Dickinson is a shithole for the most part. Blue collar or just downright poor. Most schools offer free breakfast down here for qualified children.
I came from a middle-class background and, growing up,I never worried about where my next meal was coming from. When I moved out on my own, at age 19, I learned how easy it is to run out of money right before payday. I'd made dinner out of potatoes because a 5-pound bag was 99 cents.
In the 80's, just out of college, I went to work for the Southland Corporation, parent company of 7-Eleven. Part of my training was to go work in a store, including the graveyard shift. Every once in awhile, I'd get someone, old, young, who ran a little short. Rather than humiliate them, I'd tell them not to worry about it, and after they left, I'd dig into my pocket and make up the difference. Sometimes they'd come back and pay me, most times not. Every time, however, they would sincerely thank me.
I'm 56 now, making a decent living, and I still recall what it like not to have enough money to buy a decent dinner.
I've been to Dickinson, TX, and there's a church on every other corner. How sad that nobody stepped forward to help out that young man, and that the cafeteria worker was so cold-hearted not to let it slide.
It seems pretty spiteful to throw a meal into the garbage rather than giving it to a hungry child, all over 30 cents.
R25 - I used to work at a 7/11 too. On one graveyard shift a teenage brother and sister came in and tried to return some merchandise they said they bought. We didn't carry that product and I told them sorry, no go. The girl sighed and said, "OK, look, my brother and I haven't eaten all day. Our Mom left and we're alone and we're hungry. We don't want money, we just want food."
I was about to throw away a bunch of those burgers and hot dogs 7/11 used to sell so I told them to just help themselves. They took a couple of burgers each and I wrote them off.
I probably would have been fired for that if I had told my manager. But I didn't. It was the right thing to do so I just did it.
P.S. You'd be shocked how much food convenience stores throw away. Sandwiches, burgers, hot dogs, etc.
If they were poor, the lunch would be free, not 30 cents. He was on reduced price meal plan, not the free meal plan. It's income-adjusted. Mom had the money. She admits she or her son "forgot" to replenish the card after many warnings. We don't know if they gave the kid free breakfast before this particular time.
She gave them the money, he got his food. She only needed to have paid attention and given the money when it was due. Schools are supposed to teach life lessons. In this case, they did exactly that. Now mom and son have both learned a lesson about personal responsibility.
There are some vicious, selfish people on this thread. Fortunately there are thoughtful, generous people here as well.
Water seeks its own level.
r28 = Ted Cruz sycophant
I have never used the word "freeper" before, R28, but you, sir, are a freeper. May you choke on your sense of "personal responsibility" somewhere down the line.
My friend grew up in the projects of Chicago. His mother was a crackhead, and took him and his siblings to various fast food restaurants, telling them that her children were hungry. He said that they always gave them food for free, but he was beyond embarrassed. It's sad that a school doesn't have the compassion for children that a restaurant does, but I have a feeling that we don't know the whole story here.
The kid would have grown up thinking he could get a happy meal and be 30 cents short. Mickey Ds wouldn't have given him a meal, so he learned ahead of time about reality. He could have turned tricks in the staff break room for 30 cents like the rest of us had to do growing up. People need to quit coddling these youngsters.
[quote] How do you know they hadn't been giving him breakfast for two weeks without his card bring replenished?
Don't you think the school would have mentioned that? You know, to try to defend their behavior.
1. Obviously this kind of situation, the money shortage, will happen to most any kid into eternity.
2. Throwing the breakfast in the garbage and turning the kid away, WHATEVER CIRCUMSTANCE, is a ridiculous, stupid, cruel 'solution'.
3. The parent should be allowed to make up the difference afterward.
In this situation, obviously, more guns are required.
R28 let's examine the 'life lesson' thought for a second. Wouldn't they have learned the same lesson had the cafeteria worker given him his breakfast, and then notified the principal? The principal could then have sat down with the mother and the son privately to resolve the situation. I don't think public humiliation ever serves a good purpose, yet allowing both the mother and the son to retain their dignity does.
R2 is a paranoid blame-the-victim loon.
R36, that is true but I forgot to add it.
I'm glad some of you won't be raising children.
[quote]I don't think public humiliation ever serves a good purpose, yet allowing both the mother and the son to retain their dignity does.
I don't know how much dignity there is in rushing to bawl to a TV station when it's your own fault.
And, yes, I think they should've given the kid the food and moved on.
I do have a question. If the mother was able to rush up to the school does that mean she is a stay at home mom or what? If so, couldn't she feed the kid at home even cheaper?
They'd rather it rot. That shit is evil.
It seems nonsensical to waste the food. Even when he paid up, another meal would need to be made, so the school would still be out the cost of one meal. May as well have given the kid the first one free and had him call his mum (as he did on that day) to say that he'd be without breakfast next day unless they paid up.
This is what happens when schools "outsource" their cafeteria operations to private, for-profit companies.
Going back to the 60s here….but my family didn't have a lot of money and paying for hot school lunches were out of the question, and we brought a bagged lunch from home.
If you had forgotten bagged lunch or money for school lunch, you were made to take an IOweYou> basically a voucher to pay for a school lunch that your family was responsible to pay back. I don't really know where they would have drawn the line and not given the IOU.
I also know I got my ass whopped when I forgot my bagged lunch because my parents hated the IOU, which kind of cast a "We are poor" light on us.
The school cafeteria worker insisted the child's subsidized breakfast was thrown away with the kindest of intentions and wasn't meant to distress the child. Keep in mind, there's always food for the needy and as with all free food, everyone identifies as needy.
As it stands today, attendance at a public school should include free food for all students and the tax base should be taxed accordingly.
Sure, pick on Texas, one loon acts as a loon and everyone, all 26 million in the state of Texas are "spit upon" worthy.
Food in school(K-12)should be free, period.
It also should be healthy and as fresh as possible and not from some multi-death corporation like Sodexo, who by the way also supply PRISONS with food. Get rid of vending machines as well.
Wasting food is one of the worst things going on in this country. We throw out more than half of the food produced in this country. This includes some hole in the wall grocery store to Whole Foods.
I worked at a convenience store/gas station and would save as much food as possible for people who appreciated it. I worked all parts of the store so the boss wouldn't even have to come in most of the time. This would allow me to bag up (sometimes individually) the shitload food we'd throw out. Couldn't give it away due to some laws about liability. The recipients were good at keeping everything on the down low, then came the fateful day with the boss coming in unannounced . I was in the dumpster area and passing out the goods when I heard the bosses truck pull up. Made eye contact and continued to pass out the food. He walked right by and kind of winked. Later, expecting to be fired or lectured, he called me in and told me that he didn't see anything. Warned me to be careful for higher ups coming around and he agreed that wasting food made him sick. He came from a poor family. This guy was a very conservative white guy who was in the Vietnam war and had some racial issues as well as the gays, yet he was still a fair guy. That day I had more respect for him than I do for most others.
In short, that school is fucked for throwing out that crap food for a "punishment". For shame
While I agree with the majority here, the bigger question is why are the schools serving breakfast ?...I understand lunch, but why arent the parents feeding their kids at home ?
Whats next ? Dinner ?
At some point parents need to take responsibility for their kids. Schools are learning institutions, not baby sitting services. The biggest problem with schools today is that parents expect them to raise their kids for them.
R52, one of the results of the US having allowed an underclass to form that is bigger than their working class has resulted in a restructuring of values for the nation. There are still people within the US who believe in fair/livable pay for their work, but unfortunately, there is a larger population that is willing to work very hard for very little pay and therefor unable to support the spawn of their sex habits.
This is just part of the spiral of decline in which the United States is trapped. It's going to get much much worse. In my city, the illegal immigrants are such a large population, homes have been built for them to live in and their cost as been subsidized in excess of 60% so they afford them. This is just one extension of free food for the asking.
Personally, I don't get upset as the dynamics of this terminal problem is more complex to understand, than I have remaining years with which I have to grapple. In many ways I'm proud of the way the US has chosen to address the poverty and hunger problem the poor must face. We could have closed our borders as some of our allies have i.e. Australia, but intend we tried to make lemonade out of this sour situation by seeing this influx of the needy and unwanted as an opportunity for cheap labor and rationalize the true cost to the identity of the United States.
r52, if you read the recent press about the unintended consequences of welfare reform, you'll see that the 1996 Act resulted in fulltime jobs that don't pay a living wage. So you have parents working yet not making enough to feed their kids three squares per day. My friends who are teachers have students who can't focus during morning classes because they're hungry. Sure, some parents are delinquent but many are trying as hard as they can. The kids shouldn't pay for their parents' or politicians' mistakes. During the summer months, some kids go hungry w/o school meals. It's heartbreaking. Organizations like NY's Food for Survival wind up lining the pockets of their administrators. So schools are the food source of last resort for children. Now w/ the food stamp cutbacks, it will only get worse for them.
There are a lot of self-righteous fraus and bitter queens on this thread who are trying to justify letting a 12 year old child go hungry by reiterating some version of "fair is fair". I suspect they are mostly lower middle class / working class themselves, with little or no post secondary education. They remind me of the working class fools who vote (against their own interests) for Republican candidates. I could be all wrong here, but I doubt it.
This has been a problem for a few years.
Parents refuse to feed their kids - and the school district ends up doing it. The money has to come from somewhere - so other programs are short changed.
Where is the outrage at the mother who sends her kid off to school without breakfast and not enough money to buy breakfast?
I remember growing up and as both my parents and my siblings were rushing around to get out of the house in the morning - either my mother or father made sure we had our lunch money. Every day.
Why not hold the mother accountable?
Worked many years in an urban school district. almost all of my students were eligible for free meals, breakfast and lunch. What does it matter if the parents were salt of the earth hard working poor, single parents, drug affected, negligent, whatever?
We should not allow children to go hungry in order to punish adults or make political points. Hungry, disaffected children find it hard to focus in class.
One other point, have any of the hard liners on this thread been hungry? Not for a meal, but as a condition of daily life?
R56 is EXACTLY the type of bitter queen/angry frau I was talking about in my post.
Hold the mother and son 'accountable'? For 30 FUCKING cents? Some people have no humanity left. The issue here is that the breakfast was taken away from a probably hungry child over 30 damn cents. There was not one adult in that cafeteria on that day that could have coughed up that 30 cents so the kid could eat? Disgusting.
If you think this is OK, you haven't experienced real hunger that you can't do anything about.
What kind of vile creep advocates throwing away a perfectly good meal, rather than feeding it to a hungry child who is standing right there waiting for it?
Seriously, who are you people and what are the terrible things that were done to you to make you this way?
[quote] There was not one adult in that cafeteria on that day that could have coughed up that 30 cents so the kid could eat?
Unfortunately most school cafeterias no longer accept cash. Each student must have a prepaid account from which the daily amount of food they receive is deducted.
Again I ask: WHY is this thread here??!?
Please explain the question, r62. Why wouldn't it be?
You're free to pass right on by any thread that does not interest you, R62.
Perhaps it is here to show just how incredibly wrong and incompetent privatization of some industries, and ANYTHING having to do with public schools, can be.
I think a better question, R62, is why are YOU here?
I am the R2 "blame the victim loon." Throwing away ANYONE'S food is wrong. The kid should have eaten, of COURSE. What I was trying to say (and apparently it wasn't said very well) is that you get a pissed off minimum wage cafeteria worker with a short fuse and a kid with attitude (and NOT that that is what even happened but it was worth mentioning) and there is going to be a "situation." Working around kids is not for everyone and some people act out.
It's hard to believe that the person serving the kid didn't throw in the thirty cents until the kid's mother showed up. Letting a kid go hungry AND humiliating him at the same time is unacceptable to me. Where's the heart?
Give me a break. This kid has probably been pulling this a number of times, and the cafeteria finally got fed up. They can't tell you they've been illegally waving him thru the line before.
He is not dirt poor - he couldn't be bothered making sure mama filled up the account (or mama couldn't be bothered). Why is no-one blaming mama for not paying attention???
If you let it slip all the time everyone will do it. I'm a liberal, a liberal who thinks society should help out, but those in need are required to help out; watch the level on the lunch money account, dammit. Society has responsibilities, but so do you!
[quote] Society has responsibilities, but so do you!
Thie discussion on this thread pertains to a CHILD who was deprived of his breakfast over thirty cents. At school.
You sound like a real asshole, R69.
[quote}This kid has probably been pulling this a number of times, and the cafeteria finally got fed up. They can't tell you they've been illegally waving him thru the line before.
Really? So that makes it OK to let a kid go without breakfast, I guess. Because the kid has been pulling one over on a cafeteria worker to get a free shitty breakfast.
[quote] He is not dirt poor - he couldn't be bothered making sure mama filled up the account (or mama couldn't be bothered). Why is no-one blaming mama for not paying attention???
How do you know he's not "dirt poor"? Is he only "dirt poor" if he comes to school stark naked? If he's starving to death? What? Why do you need to "blame" his mother? Is is possible she didn't know, because schools aren't always all that great at notifying parents? Does it matter?
And what's with the "mama" thing? Is this racism or classism at work?
Qualifying for a 30 cent meal = "dirt poor" by any non-lunatic Freeper standard. School lunches were five or six times that for us unsubsidized kids back in the 70s. And they were a lot more generous with the free ones back then. Because now, everyone's obsessed with making sure "mama" is "taking personal responsibility" for being dirt poor, so not that many kids get totally free food anymore.
[quote] If you let it slip all the time everyone will do it.
You mean like all those welfare whores like Exxon, BP, western cattle ranchers, the corn industry, the rest of U.S. agribusiness, the banks, the airline industry, the cable industry.... need I go on?
[quote] I'm a liberal, a liberal who thinks society should help out,
Sure you are, honey.
[quote] but those in need are required to help out; watch the level on the lunch money account, dammit. Society has responsibilities, but so do you!
And they really drove their point home by throwing that kid's breakfast away in front of him. That'll larn 'im! He won't make the mistake of being a poor 12 year old again!
Go fuck yourself, you sad, pustular Freeper cretin.
So lacking in compassion and basic human decency; and these people are in the Education sector...
Explain again why the school is at fault here?
It was the mother who sent her child off to school without feeding him at home or giving him the money to buy food.
The kid was able to call home and talk to his mother.
Like almost everyone else I detest irresponsible parents. Whatever harm this child suffered is on the mother not the school.
r71, unlike you, i grew up poor and on free food. and charity - i know what it feels like for others to know you got your clothes from the 'government store'. i still remembered to bring my card for free lunch. i still remember that the lunch ladies would let you by unless you were a repeat offender.
So what should they do? on the 20th day when he can't be bothered to top up the account, should they still feed him? Will you run over to the cafeteria all those 20 day to pay for him?
You're a fool if you think this was the first time. But apparently you're fool enough to think it's a poor thing - they would have done the same if he paid the full amount. You get a fews free rides, then you get schooled...
R73 Do you not understand or care that a CHILD, even an 'irresponsible' one, deserves to EAT?
What a narcissist you are.
[quote]Wasting food is one of the worst things going on in this country.
More food is wasted in elementary and high schools than anywhere else in the country. Since nutrition rules were changed before the last school year, kids are forced to take "healthy" foods whether they want them or not. Many kids go straight from the cashier station to the trash bins, throwing out vast amounts of fruits and vegetables before they even sit down for the bulk of their meal. Then they complain that they're hungry the rest of the day.
r69/r74, you are creating facts not in evidence. The article says his account was short by thirty cents, and that the breakfast cost 30 cents. If accurate - and these are the facts we are using - then it means he wasn't getting a "free ride" for 20 meals or so, as you imagine. Are you unable to read facts and draw conclusions based upon those facts without creating an entirely fictional narrative of resentment toward a 12 year old kid who missed breakfast because he was short 30 cents?
Since you have already invented facts in the story to fit this idea you have, I don't believe your poverty sob story, either. But even if true, it apparently taught you nothing other than to be resentful and angry at other poor people. You exhibit the same mean, small minded, selfish mindset that is destroying the U.S.
Because it's obvious to anyone without an agenda like yours that there are clearly other ways of handling the financial issue presented here than throwing away the kid's food.
[quote]Because it's obvious to anyone without an agenda like yours that there are clearly other ways of handling the financial issue presented here than throwing away the kid's food.
Agreed. And one of them is not calling a TV station to complain about the mean old school.
The mom and the school were both in the wrong here.
You can go to the school's FB page and let them know they're going to burn in hell for not feeding this kid.
Shameful. Just shameful.
This sounds like a lot of work on the school's part for a $0.30 meal. Staff to give verbal notices of account balances; staff to generate and distribute written account balances; asking the principal to get involved to talk to the mother and son about more effectively managing their account balances. The kid was hungry - feed him and let him bring the $0.30 tomorrow along with replenishing his account balance. I cannot tell you how much we let "go" because it costs more in effort to collect than we ever could gain. We'd much rather put our resources in collecting the real money.
r77, if you had taken time to read my post, i asked if he had done this for 20 days, would you be running down each day to pay the 30 cents?
Read the facts; his mother had the money. The kid or the mother hadn't bothered to keep tabs. The one fact not in evidence is my assumption this was habitual, and that's why they tossed the breakfast.
I will allow that is this was not habitual, it was shitty of them. If it was habitual, you gotta learn sometime.
And yes, the poor sob story is true. It taught me to have compassion, but if those you're having compassion on use you as a fool, all bets are off. The Cafeteria ladies probably have the same approach.
R81 You don't have an ounce of compassion.
If he is getting a school breakfast for 30 cents he's a damn sight closer to "dirt poor" than most of you bitches are. That's practically a free meal. I don't know how far below the poverty line his family has to be to get a free lunch, but I'm certain none of us would care to try to get by on such a paltry amount.
[quote]You can see their point;
No, actually, I can't.
This thread is a perfect example of what is wrong with our country today. NOBODY is RESPONSIBLE for THEMSELVES anymore. The blame is always placed on someone else, wrapped neatly in a sob story, and blasted through the media.
The mother admits that she/son were at fault and forgot to replenish the child's meal account. She brought the kid breakfast, paid up the account, and the kid got his lunch that day. Problem solved. SO WHY go to the fucking MEDIA about it??? If she was really so concerned about the humiliation in front of a few classmates, how does one explain her now blasting the entire incident to the entire country?
All you bleeding hearts, whining about how the poor kid suffered by not getting this one breakfast... please. By 6th grade, his mother certainly knew the routine, and knew that if his account ran dry, he would not get a meal. They both would have had ample warning, as they admitted. It clearly wasn't a priority to either of them... until it served as a way for momma to get some attention, and likely some hand-outs.
Wake up people!!!
R85 Wal-Mart greeter with big dreams.
r52, schools have been serving breakfast for 30+ years, where you been?
Poor wages, rabid anti-family planning Christo-fascist government representatives, and a poor labor market contribute to hungry children.
Both my parents were public middle school teachers, and observed that attendance and performance metrics were raised by supplying breakfast (and lunch) free to students who qualified, who otherwise would probably go without.
Boy, these dim-witted, and heartless responders are sickening.
r85, you really don't see anything wrong in throwing the food in the trash instead of letting the kid eat it?
can't anyone responsible with the smallest bit of authority (such as the cafeteria worker) realize the are employed to provide helpful service and not to punish the people they are there to serve?
embarass the child... waste a tray of food... find fault with parenting skills... OVER A MEAL ALREADY PAID FOR (...minus 30 cents...) BY THE DISTRICT?
This is a situation where help can be provided first and the problem solved afterwards.
R85, I agree that the food should have never been thrown away. HOWEVER, once the food was served to the child and was on his tray, the school cannot re-serve it to someone else. So the cafeteria cashier would have had no choice but to do so, BY LAW. It is not the cashier's fault that the kid got in line and accepted the food, knowing that there was not enough in his account to cover it. The article said the meal cost 30 cents, and he was 30 cents short. So he would have known at least the day before that there was nothing left in his account.
R90 It takes a big man to deprive a 12 year old of breakfast.
Yes, he should have had the 30 cents. But, he didn't. So instead of feeding him, they tossed good food into the trash. What sense does that possibly make?
This isn't about compassion. This is about parental responsibility and money.
Parents are running up huge debts to public schools by not sending their kids to school with lunch or the money to buy lunch. If you follow this subject you can see some schools are having to resort to hiring collection agencies to get the money from parents. All that accomplishes is putting the majority of money collected which should have been used to feed children into the hands of collection agencies.
This case is very simple. The mother was participating in a program with clear guidelines. She had to pay a relatively small amount for breakfast everyday for her son. She knew that. She knew she had to deposit the money into his account. She knew the school policy would not allow her son to charge breakfast.
She couldn't follow those simple instructions to get her son a healthy meal to start his day.
So what does the school do? They make sure the kid can call home and get in touch with his mother to bring him some food. That seems to be the responsible thing to do.
I don't like the fact the food had to be thrown away. But once it was in the possession of the kid - it couldn't' be served to someone else.
You certainly have to see the school can't have a policy where by once a kid puts the food on his tray - he gets to keep it regardless of whether or not he can pay for it.
The mother is the problem. The mother even admits it was her negligence that caused this - she had the money.
Get mad at her.
We hate children! They are frau crotch droppings! They are hell spawn! I never want kids! They are spoiled brats! "Won't somebody think of the children?" (said with an eye roll).
Some kid gets his breakfast taken away and suddenly all DLers rip off their clothes to expose the superhero outfit underneath and they fly to the rescue of the poor helpless child! How dare people do this to a poor child!
R93 Stupid cunt.
R93, get a pair of chopsticks and poke your eyes out with them.
Texas HATES poor children.
There IS intelligent life on DL, thank you R93!
And yeah R94 I was thinking the same thing...
[quote] This is a situation where help can be provided first and the problem solved afterwards.
I'm glad she got the call to bring the breakfast money before she went to her hair/nail appointment that I am certain she never misses.
Someone, somewhere is blaming a "white man" for this.
R93, if you're angry at the mother - fine. Be angry at her, it's irrelevant to the discussion.
The food was there, the kid was there. No one with an IQ above 20 throws out the food to spite the kid and his mom.
R101 no, I am a moderate liberal who is tired of parents not being responsible and making excuses for their children
Yes r103, to the extent that they run the country's largest hate group - the GOP. And this certainly is in lockstep with the Republican Party ethos.
R105 = Gov. Rick Perry
You're a moderate liberal, R105 and yet your first assumption is that the mother is some entitled, lazy, welfare queen, taking free breakfast from the government so she can spend it on her nails. When we've heard nothing of the sort. Suffice to say if the kid is getting breakfast for 30 cents, I'm assuming the family is very poor and not living high on the hog.
Mistakes happen. So the mother and kid forgot to keep the account current. So the mother would have owed back 30 cents which would have been easily paid back the next day. Without humiliating the kid, the mother and wasting food.
R107 Rick wishes he were me
Well that will certainly teach that kid not to reincarnate as a poor, hungry shit head.
Can we remember that this is not about a poor child? If a child who was not on this program had forgotten their money, it would have been the same - no money no eat. Any parent who doesn't provide the kid with lunch money is equally irresponsible.
The question is, does the school do this, even on the first time; that seems harsh.
R108 I admit it: I am being a bit harsh. It is just that I have zero tolerance for parents who scapegoat their remiss onto others.
[quote] Parents are running up huge debts to [bold] outside private for-profit companies that school districts are outsourcing the work to [/bold] by not sending their kids to school with lunch or the money to buy lunch.
There, fixed it for you.
I think the big story here is that the cafeteria worker chucked the food tray into the trash in front of the kid. Right??
[quote]Parents are running up huge debts to public schools by not sending their kids to school with lunch or the money to buy lunch. If you follow this subject you can see some schools are having to resort to hiring collection agencies to get the money from parents.
What's a "huge debt"?
Is it some number comparable to the amounts given to the banksters? To GM? To the airlines, each time they can restructure through bankruptcy?
Because at 30 cents a day, if the kid ate every weekday for 40 weeks a year - not counting holidays - and didn't pay up, that's 60 bucks for a whole school year.
Is that a "huge debt"? Do you think it costs less than 60 bucks to collect it? How about to administer the program? Wouldn't it ultimately probably be cheaper just to have the kids pay nothing instead of some idiotic amount like 30 cents a day? Even if they're not, as claimed upthread, "dirt poor"?
I don't even want to think about the shitty breakfast "food" being provided to these kids.
r93: Typical Republican Freeper crank, always bitching about pennies that go to poor people, but can't wait to hand over hundred dollar bills to corporations to use as toilet paper.
R114 NOWHERE did it say that the food was thrown away in front of the kid. It said that the food was taken from him.
What would you all suggest?
When the kid doesn't have his 30 cents - they run a credit check to see if the mother pays her bills?
Public schools facilitate free and reduced price breakfast and lunch programs. They don't determine participation and they don't fund them.
The mother was called. She was able to resolve the situation. How is that not the school solving the problem?
There are times when it is necessary to make a point.
Reminds me of the horrible Catholic Jr. High I went to in the late 80s. They would take your lunch from you and throw it out if they saw you walking in the halls with your lunch, even if you were on your way to the cafeteria. Stupid cow nuns...yes I feel 13 again.
Maybe the cafeteria worker noticed the Pop-tart crumbs around the chubby child's mouth.
30-40 years ago, this would have been solved by an adult at the school giving the kid 30 cents.
Yeah, but what adult working at a school has 30 cents to toss in these days?
These dirty little Mexican kids need to get back into the fields. Education would just be wasted on them.
Mighty Christian of them to toss food into the trash rather than feed the hungry. Mighty Cristian of them to publicly humiliate a child and then send him to class hngry.
THAT's why this is news. We live in a country that wears its MORALITY on its sleeve -- we must protect the sanctity of marriage or adoption from the gays, we must proclaim certain sexual acts against nature, we must not allow abortion -- but hold the mirror up to show their self-righteous hypocrisy about following the true Judeo-Christian ethic of helping others as you would have them help you, and suddenly morality is a non-issue.
You can't have it both ways, fundie freepers.
Republican logic, toss the lunch!
I do understand the policy but throwing away food. That's out of line.
[quote]Yeah, but what adult working at a school has 30 cents to toss in these days?
Exactly. The most common job available at schools in my area are those for lunch room monitors - 2 hrs per day at $10 per hour.
[quote]I am a moderate liberal who is tired of parents not being responsible and making excuses for their children
You are not a moderate anything and certainly not a liberal if you resent a basic safety net for the working poor and women with small children. We're talking about a 30¢ meal that wound up in the trash to the public shame of a young, hungry child. Not billions in government waste and fraud.
[quote]NOWHERE did it say that the food was thrown away in front of the kid. It said that the food was taken from him.
What is the distinction here? He was humiliated in front of his peers. We're you never a small child?
This thread is rampant with trolls.
As a kid who qualified for the free lunch program (family on food stamps, mother ailing from diabetes & bed-ridden, alcoholic father, etc.) I feel for this kid. We had these huge red coupons that were punched every day. If we lost the coupons or forgot it, we didn't eat. Everyone who paid for their lunches/breakfasts made fun of us red coupon kids.
"All you bleeding hearts"
"Wake up people!!!"
This is Freeper talk^
"Whatsoever ye do to the least of my brethren, you do unto me." Somewhere, Jesus is weeping.
Anyone who doubts DL has been overrun by freepers and Log Cabin-types, need look no further than this sad thread.
[quote]He was humiliated in front of his peers.
Another day at school.
So we have come to this. The poor turn on the poor, the weak upon the weaker. Helped by the institution, policy, administration, state, whatever.
I am stunned by the lack of empathy in so many of the posts here. Irrespective of justification, rationalization, or perspective.
Look, I've said it before on this thread, I'll say it again - he and his mother forgot to fill up the bank. Same thing would have happened to a kid from middle income parents if he forgot his money. Not a poor thing.
The real injustice is the number of people in this country that have not been helped; this kid was helped, even if it means the embarrassment of everyone knowing his family is poor.
What about the homeless, those who don't qualify for one reason or another for subsidies?
It would be more helpful if everyone could post what they do to help those folks. Volunteer at soup kitchens? Give to charities that help the needy? That way, this holiday season, maybe it would jar some of us into action. Post what you do so it can inspire others to help.
I donate to the local food bank and to the United Way, help at animal shelter (yes, lesbian). Anyone do something more personal?
And meanwhile, we subsidize the most profitable companies in the history of the planet to the tune of $4 billion a year, but we can't give a hungry child a 30-cent breakfast to teach him "personal responsibility." And when they create an ecological disaster like the BP Horizon oil spill, teatards think the government should pay for the cleanup, not the company that caused it.
Oh, if we could only apply freepanomics to the corporate world...
We got it the first time R11/R14/R69/R74/R81/R11/R137. Now, go back to R57 and reread until you understand. Oh, and if you're a liberal, I'll eat my T-shirt. Someone suggested that the boy be given breakfast and then sent to the office to call his mother and let her know that he'd need money on the account for his breakfast and for lunch that day.
We have no idea what he had for dinner the night before, if much of anything. Maybe his mother works 2 or more jobs trying to get by. And children who are hungry can't pay attention in class. I worked in education for a decade and the time I was sent to evaluate a child who had been sent to school hungry, I made the principal go to the lunchroom and get the kid a banana and a carton of milk before I'd test him.
There is never an excuse for a child to go hungry. And in Texas, no one understands this better than Wendy Davis, who was raised by a single mom with a sixth grade education and was a widow herself at age 19 with a child. With any luck, she'll be the next governor.
if his mom can afford a car she can afford $.30 for his breakfast.
they should have let him eat it versus tossing it in the trash.
wasted of food.
r4, what if her bank account was overdrawn, and she COULDN'T have added funds to his card even if she wanted to? she will have to wait until payday, so sending notices home would have served no purpose if she had no way to refill the card. have you ever been poor?
r139, Yes, as I mentioned, I've posted consistently on this thread.
How about you answer my question - this not about poverty, but people who can't remember to pay. Sad that he misses a meal, but war do we do to help those that miss many meals an don't have the money to pay.
Voting Democrat helps in the long term, but in the short term it doesn't. If you stand outside schools and offer money to kids that forgot their money, chances are you'll be arrested rather than hailed as a social advocate.
AGAIN - what can we do, as individuals to help the lot of those who have nothing other than post scathing comments and lamenting the state of society. So far I've seen nothing; I'm truly asking for this to be an innovative thread, not a whiny one.
r139, r142 here.
Just read your last para on Wendy. I subscribe to her on Facebook, and loved her post on being 'Pro-life'.
Sorry I didn't read the whole thing. I agree breakfast is important, but I really believe these guys need to remember to fill up the bank or bring their money.
There's a lot more that have fewer options - can't we focus on them? Can't we try to get the folks who are venting on this subject to turn it into positive action for those who have less than this boy?
Get off your horse, R137, my partner and I are heavily involved in feeding the homeless, hungry, etc in our county
What do we do?
The kid is there. The food is there. Feed the kid.
If we can afford 24 billion to shut down the government for a Republican tantrum, we can afford to feed kids a cheap lunch.
Seriously evil cunts all over this thread.
Moderate liberal, my ass.
r144, not on a horse. Could you share the kind of work? The particular agencies? If folks see there are others there, they may pitch in.
Mine are North Texas Foodbank, Operation Kindness, Carrolton TX.
R129 I am the one who you chastised as not being a moderate liberal. I am moderate in my thinking and views - that means I think with reason and logic. And I am liberal in the sense that I believe in civil rights for all, and that all should have the opportunity to get a good education and succeed, regardless of color, gender, sexual preference, or creed.
I happen to love helping others who I know took initiative and are trying to do better rather than extend their hand to the "Man." I donate regularly and have helped friends and acquaintances when in need - again, those who are trying to get on their feet and not just sitting there looking for a hand out.
I question this mother's parental judgment because a mother has an obligation to her child(ren) to make sure s/he/they have their daily basic needs met. This mother said she had the money. With that fact I have no sympathy for her, I do feel for the child.
I am a single parent of a now 22 year old and it was challenging; above all, I ALWAYS made sure my daughter had lunch money, school supplies, homework done, etc. each day before school. My child speaks often of her appreciation to me for making sure her needs we're met at the most difficult of times.
What is reduced meals? I don't like the sound of that. I am picturing a child being told he can't have this, can't have that, to items he sees on his friends' trays. How cruel.
I am a 41 year old gay man but had children very young when I was confused, thus I have kids now in their mid-20s. When they were young (and I was too), I never had them take up the option of the reduced meals. Even when I was in my 20s and working/going to school, I knew how to make a nutritious, inexpensive lunch for my children.
I made sure to live in the best school district I could, but even the school my children attended had really bad, cheap food. Think tater tots, chicken nuggets, things like that. I would never want them to eat it.
I'm not trying to be holier than thou, and I know a need exists for reduced cost meals, but there's a lot of lazy parenting that costs the country a lot of money. I am a Latino man (but third generation American) and know that there are segments of our population, legal or not, that will try to nickel and dime the services as much as they can.
As I studied in econ...free rider problem.
Congratulations to all the posters who are responsible and law-abiding parents.
Now, imagine if YOUR child, the one YOU raised, was magically dropped into a family that didn't balance its household budgets or pay bills on time.
Would it be ok for YOUR child to go hungry a few times a month, when money was short and accounts went into deficit?
R151, they liked your audition tape. You're going to be a cuntestant on the new reality show, Cuntiest Cunts of the Cuntisphere.
My children could simply NEVER. We would all die of embarrassment.
Again, money was not short. Mother said that - they had it. They forgot to fill it up. FORGOT not short.
This thread is filled with freeper troll assholes pretending they're "concerned parents" with their bullshit.
This is a simple matter. The food was there. The kid was there. Feed the kid. Any other choice is the wrong choice. The End.
I am cunt because I don't think a kid should ever go hungry?
It doesn't matter if a family is working poor, drug addicted, unemployed, WHATEVER. Should a kid go hungry because his mom FORGOT to pay the $0.30, R154?
I can't believe that the posters on this board would allow a child to go hungry in order to punish a parent's "bad" behaviour.
I guess that makes me a cunt, R152.
Oh, my. R151 R156, my most sincere apologies. I read you completely wrong. I thought you were making the case in R151 that kids whose parents didn't pay the .30 shouldn't eat, whereas you meant the reverse.
I completely take it back and fall on my knees in utter and abject shame.
Mea maxima culpa.
I hereby announce that R151 R156 is NOT a cunt. And he will not be appearing on any reality show.
Thanks for that, R157. I saw you telling one of the bigots upthread to poke out her eyes with a pair of chopsticks (bravo!), so I was a bit confused by your response to me.
I just find the pettiness on this thread pretty unbelievable, and I don't even have kids.
Something like this would NEVER happen in a Catholic school. I personally would have made sure that boy got a hearty mouthful that morning whether he had the 30 cents or not!
To the moron who said the family had money if it was reduced lunch: a family of 5 only qualifies for reduced lunch at a household income of 34K. To get FREE lunch, you have to have more kids or less income. Chew on that, smartass.
Why are we even discussing people who can't afford to feed themselves or their children?
That wasn't at issue here. The mother had the thirty cents. She just couldn't be bothered to keep track of whether or not she needed to send it with he son.
Do I think all kids should have enough to eat.
Do I think it should come out of the money set aside to educate children. Nope.
But apparently some of you think that all the kids who parents managed to send their kids to school with thirty cents should be penalized.
Did the trash can had the 30 cents? Because it got the breakfast anyway. Which means that the school would rather waste 30 cents worth of food than give it to a hungry child.
And since this is Texas: what would Jesus do? Oh wait...
R161 You are absolutely right, R161. Allowing that child to eat his breakfast would have punished all those other parents who paid the thirty cents!!!
Thank goodness justice was served by dumping that boy's meal in the garbage!!
Never punish the innocent, am I right?
It was one 30-cent mistake, not evidence of systemic irresponsibility on the mother's part. Anyone who thinks wasting food to punish a poor kid because of his mom's forgetfulness is just not thinking this through.
[quote]Anyone who thinks wasting food to punish a poor kid because of his mom's forgetfulness is just not thinking this through.
Thinking what through?
[quote] It was one 30-cent mistake, not evidence of systemic irresponsibility on the mother's part. Anyone who thinks wasting food to punish a poor kid because of his mom's forgetfulness is just not thinking this through.
As has been posted in this very thread - it is a systemic problem. Large amounts of money are owed to school districts across the country - because parents send their kids to school without food or the money to purchase food. The school allows them to charge the mean, even the district in question allows kids to charge lunch. Parents aren't paying.
Where do you think that money comes from? The Free and Reduced Price Lunch Fairy? The Federal government? No it comes out of the local school districts budget.
So yes the parents who send their kids off to school without the money to buy breakfast/lunch expecting it to be charged - are penalizing the other kids.
How you think you can run any cafeteria with the policy that once the food is on the kid's tray - the kid gets to keep it whether or no he/she can pay is beyond me.
Let's not forget - the school allowed the kid to phone home to get money/food. The mother caused the problem and the school gave her a timely opportunity to fix it. That's reasonable.