Denise Richards will NO LONGER care for the twins of Charlie Sheen and Brooke Mueller
Denise Richards:I Can't Handle Bob and Max. They Torture Dogs and People
Denise Richards has informed the L.A. County Dept. of Children and Family Services she will NO LONGER care for the twins of Charlie Sheen and Brooke Mueller ... TMZ has learned.
Sources connected with DCFS tell TMZ ... Denise wrote a letter to the agency, saying the kids are violent and out of control, and she says it's ALL Brooke's fault.
DCFS sources say the letter details horrifying conduct. Denise says Bob and Max often go into a "zombie-like state" -- they repeatedly kick her dogs in the head and squeeze their heads with both hands while watching the dogs whimper in pain. She also says the kids will flip from sweetly petting the dog to strangling the animals and lifting them off the ground by the neck.
According to the letter, Denise would tell the kids they were hurting the dogs, and Bob and Max would reply that they wanted to hurt and kill the dogs.
According to the letter, the violence is not limited to animals. Denise says her daughters -- Sam, Lola and Eloise -- have been targets of the boys. She says her daughters have been strangled, kicked in the head and stomach, scratched, bit, slapped, punched in the face and head, and spit on by Bob and Max. Denise describes one incident which she seems to blame on Brooke -- after visiting Mueller, Bob threw a toy at Sam's face and she had to go to the doctor.
Denise says Bob and Max went to school in September and they have been problematic from the get-go. She says Bob in particular has harmed other kids and punched and slapped teachers in the face.
Denise says the kids have also thrown their own feces into the bathroom of one of her daughters.
In the letter, Denise connects the bad conduct to the time the kids spend at Brooke's home, claiming they act out violently when they are returned to Denise. She also says the kids have had horrible nightmares after returning from Brooke's home, where the kids would stay up with her til 4 AM.
In the long letter to DCFS, Denise -- who has temporary guardianship of the boys while Brooke deals with her drug problems -- says pediatricians have advised her to seek psychological counseling for the boys, but Brooke has blocked that effort.
Just don't give their father custody. They've suffered enough.
Charlie helped make them. Its his responsibility to get his ass straight and work on HIS kids. Ditto Miss Mueller.
The Brooke/Charlie spawn are vicious little psychos. Well that's a surprise - said no one, ever.
This looks like a ploy to get junkie Brooke off of Charlie's payroll and out of the kids' lives permanently. It may not be a bad idea but Denise is getting paid big bucks for it. As long as Charlie has money, hooker Denise will do whatever works for him.
Denise Richards... island of adult responsibility.
[quote] hooker Denise will do whatever works for him.
No proof she was ever a hooker.
Denise Richards is a fucking saint. Who knew?
Oh, it's Denise's and Brooke's fault and not the abusive pig.
[quote]No proof she was ever a hooker.
R5, I realize it's your job and all, but you've had absolutely no success selling that shit here.
Everyone knows she was a hooker. Relax, it's fine with us. It's not as if she'd been a fucking freeper, that would be a shameful past.
Sounds like the makings of twin serial killers.
How old are they? Why doesn't this story tell us? Is the world supposed to know how old these celebrity spawn are right off the top of its head?
She can't handle a mere 5 children? God, the D List must be like the fifth ring of hell.
I usually disagree with you, Sociopath Troll, but in this case - not so much.
Shall we take bets on fire starting and bed wetting?
[quote]Everyone knows she was a hooker.
News to me.
And, no--I am not some PR flunky.
The "twins" should be returned to the pound and euthanized. kids born of drug addicted parents live tortured lives and commit horrible acts against society to which they can not relate.
We're SO writing a book when we grow up.
Wow, this is really sad. Can't Emilio take them?
They sound like chips off the ol' block. Spawn Of Sheen.
And you all thought we were scary.
[quote] Everyone knows she was a hooker.
Link please. If not, then you have no proof she turned tricks.
Denise denies it but it's been a rumor forever. Just google Denise Richards and Heidi Fleiss.
[quote]Link please. If not, then you have no proof she turned tricks.
But she did, Blanche, she did!
Who cares if Denise was a hooker? This thread is about Charlie's demon spawn.
But you guys have no proof she turned tricks, just innuendo.
Again no link to Denise allegedly turning tricks.
So where is the proof?
Is celebrity culture so entrenched in LA that information such as this is leaked and everybody, including authorities at the LA DCFS, look the other way?
Well, it is a fireable offense. But how could they verify who leaked it to TMZ? IIRC, Cedars Sinai (or whatever hospital she was at) fired some staff for leaking information about Britney Spears. Don't know how they traced the source.
This woman has really sacrificed for these kids and is to be commended. I don't know of anyone else who has gone to such lengths to help the children of the "other woman." But enough is enough, FGS.
I don't understand...
Are these her children? If not, why is she caring for them?
I don't follow a lot of this seedy tabloid stuff but this caught my attention.
Could somebody please give some context? Thanks,
The twins are the youngest kids of Denise's ex-husband Charlie Sheen, who was married to Brooke but is not anymore.
Denise and Charlie have kids together, and the ex-couple have stayed somewhat friendly (although there have been some bad times) and Denise offered to take the kids while their mother (Brooke) tries to sober up.
Nobody really cares if Denise was a hooker or not. She's taking care of her (fucking crazy) ex's kids which is commendable.
And the kids are obviously on the fast track to serial killer territory. She's got enough sense to know that she can't handle them and she's trying to get help.
Why did Charlie Sheen (such an asshole) decided, he deserved a second, or is this his third family?
As if he's such a prize that he needed more children? So the shithead agrees that his drug addict wife should have fertility treatments...so that she can have children. It's disgusting and what's with doctors who will give people like Brooke and Charlie fertility treatments?
Doctors seem to have no morals at all, they will allow any monster to have children.
Denise seems like a reasonable person but frankly, it's hard to imagine that a reasonable person would choose Charlie Sheen to father her children?
Don't women ever consider the personality of the person they choose to have children with?
Wait, someone remind me why Charlie doesn't have custody of these kids?
The twin sons, Bob and Max, were born on March 14, 2009, making them 4-1/2 years old.
So is this from being conceived by two drug addicts, or are they acting out because both parents are out of their lives, and they blame Denise and her family because they're kids and don't know any better?
Combination of both + bad genes, R37?
Wow, sounds like the early warning-signs part of We Need To Talk About Kevin, except there's two of them!
And I don't knock Denise for having been a hooker. We need to legalize that profession, frankly.
r35 I think he has partial legal custody (shared with Brooke), but has willingly allowed Denise to take care of them and be made legal guardian while Brooke is in rehab due to his own personal issues: continued partying, stream of porn stars/women in and out, heavy tv filming schedule keeping him away from home, etc.
It's confusing because Denise has been bringing the boys over for "visits" with Charlie that DFCS has stopped, which would imply he doesn't have current full legal custody. Something's up there.
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R41 and you felt compelled to enter the thread and comment?
Animal abuse in childhood is a red flag for future socio- or psychopathic behavior.
Their parents are bi-polar drug addicts. The kids were probably born addicted. She basically naively took on a couple of crack babies.
Charlie is her main source of income these days (alimony, child support, etc.), so imagine how bad it became for her to reject them so publicly?
Those poor boys.
I feel bad for Denise. The kids had disturbed parents. Unless they get intensive help from a professional, they are doomed by their bad genetics.
Wow Sheen is at it again, out of control with the raging histrionics and insults. If he's not careful the kids will end up in foster care with no contact with either parents or Denise. From TMZ:
"These crimes against my children will be exposed. These war criminals will be hanged at dusk to a cheering and jeering crowd, gathered together in love in support of all children who are mercilessly discarded like garbage by CPS. Which by the way stands for 'CAN'T PROTECT SHITE....The storm is brewing. Their roofs are leaking. I am the Tsunami your mommy warned you about your whole childhood. All of you renegade deplorable pigs are marked for slaughter."
WTF??? Not winning here Charlie.
Where is the Sheen family in all of this? Where's Martin or Emilio?
I mean, they have other things to worry about than going into a Foster home.. I dont know, like growing up to be sociopathic serial killers?
But he has one thing right, CPS in California is awful.
He's delusional. They wouldn't be in CPS at all if he was a decent father.
[quote] Nobody really cares if Denise was a hooker or not.
Then why do people keep bringing it up as it is so irrelevant.
Now, yes, Charlie is fucked up and that's why his kids aren't with them.
But that statement you made makes it sound like CPS always has a reason (or that they're always right). Not the case, especially in CA. A lot of times, they fuck with parents who haven't done anything wrong. Meanwhile, they give kids back to parents that shouldn't. CPS sucks.
Who cares if she turned tricks when she was younger.
Does anyone recall when Millionaire Matchmaker set Denise's dad up with a woman? He seemed like a really nice, down to rural Midwestern guy. Denise also seems pretty reasonable.
I hope this is a PR strategy so that either she gets full guardianship that allows her to make medical delsisions for the boys.
And it does seem that Charlie is manic and cracked out.
Sorry for the typos - on a phone
I think Charlie should pay for some excellent nannies and then let his parents raise them (although I'm sure they don't want to).
Frankly, who would want them? They are very damaged kids..
Charlie is completely bald, has no teeth, and is a road map of wrinkles.
That's a bitter pill to swallow for someone who considers himself a stud.
Expect insanity to infinity from this dude.
Reminds me of me when I was that age.
He's been doing hard drugs for what, 30 years, give or take? I wonder how many years he has left in him?
[quote]Where is the Sheen family in all of this? Where's Martin or Emilio?
Not on TMZ having their dirty laundry aired in public, to their credit. Because we're not reading about their every word and movement doesn't mean that they're not doing something.
Mia Farrow should take the kids.
The elder Sheens are probably concerned that they'll be asked to look after the children. They're way too old to deal with two children with active behavior disorders. It would kill them.
It's scary when you think of the kids' futures. They had initially been placed with the maternal grandmother during one of Brooke's earlier rehab stints. IIRC, she wasn't able to cope. Emilio Estevez shouldn't feel much of an obligation. Why? If his parents continue at their pace, they're not going to be around much longer.
R55 Charlie is bald? Completely? How do you know this? His hair looks real to me.
Regardless of Denise's past--and I tend to believe the long-standing rumors that she worked for Madam Alex, then later Heidi--she's not in this for the money.
Brooke wanted custody solely for the child support, though she's at least as fucked up as Charlie, if not more.
Charlie offered Denise more money when she took in the boys. She declined any further money, other than what child support she was already receiving.
A former whore can be a good mother, and in this case, apparently is.
she is not a whore.
R62 link that she turned tricks
silly wabbit, twix are for kids.
Of course no one has a video of Denise Richards taking money for sex, troll who keeps asking for 'proof'. I have heard stories from too many 'in the know' types for it not to be true. It doesn't make her a bad person. She didn't come from money, was gorgeous, and needed to pay bills.
All the fraus on this thread seem to be obsessed with whether or not Denise was a prostitite, and, MORE IMPORTANTLY, how this impacts on her ability to be a GOOD MOTHER.
God forbid if she isn't equipped to be Mother of the Fuckin' Year.
Then why keep bringing it up over and over and over, R66?
she wasn't a whore.
It was rumored for years that she was a Heidi girl, deal with it. It's how Charlie first met her actually.
I'll admit I watched a bit of her reality show, Denise seems like a nice person who comes from a decent family.
Brooke seems like total trash and Charlie is a terrible father. The kind that doesn't see his kids much and when he does he tries to overdo it with gifts and such instead of spending quality time with them.
Charlie Sheen shot Kelly Preston, pleaded no contest in a battery case involving a porn actress back in the 90s, has been addicted to hard drugs for most of his life, has a steady stream of hookers and drug dealers through his house, and people are concerned about Denise being an escort over a decade ago?
Denise Richards has never been a prostitute. Furthermore, she hasn't taken a dime for caring for Bob and Max.
She is just a good person, no need to malign her.
Uh, don't trash Denise for taking the kids in and trying. Trash their actual father and mother for being fucking deadbeats.
[quote][R62] link that she turned tricks
I only said that I tend to believe the rumors, not that I had proof.
In reality, Charlie perpetuated the extant rumors: He's said, as has Heidi Fleiss, that he had a cheerleader fetish. He's also said, in other interviews, that Denise won him by dressing up as a cheerleader. The rumors of her past existed as early as Wild Things, but Charlie made it worse.
But, as others have pointed out, no one is denigrating her for her alleged past.
Many, many struggling actors have prostituted themselves, for money or a role--guys and girls. It's a hazard of the profession.
She's not a whore!!
Wouldn't Denise have been 15 years old during the Heidi Fleis days?
I used to really dislike Richards, R75. I'm not sure why. But given her actions in recent years involving her children, I have to admit I admire her. It's also been rumored her adopted daughter Sam is another one of Charlie's kids with a woman who wasn't capable of caring for her and signed her away.
I couldn't care less about Richards' past.
Sam is one of her bio daughters with Charlie. Eloise is the developmentally delayed girl she adopted.
[quote] I couldn't care less about Richards' past.
Do you want a medal, frau?
Why don't you be quiet, r80?
Maybe she refused to take money to keep the little monsters, because she wasn't sure it'd work out.
she was a brain surgeon in a Bond movie.
I hope she's still a big old 'ho, just so all the frauen in this thread can shit bricks.
[quote]According to the letter, the violence is not limited to animals. Denise says her daughters -- Sam, Lola and Eloise -- have been targets of the boys. She says her daughters have been strangled, kicked in the head and stomach, scratched, bit, slapped, punched in the face and head, and spit on by Bob and Max.
I read "bit, slapped" as "bitch slapped". LOL.
Jesus they're only four and a half. Those early years really are character forming, aren't they?
It's a shame -- they could have problems for years because of the brief time they spent with their real parents.
Denise does seem like a good mom and has tried to give them some stability but it doesn't seem to be helping.
The twins will also probably have to contend with addiction problems later on too. Considering they sprung from two fucked up addicts.
Any shrinks/therapists on this thread? Would intensive therapy be able to turn things around for them at this point?
"It's a shame -- they could have problems for years because of the brief time they spent with their real parents. "
They may have cognitive damage as well as emotional issues, if the parents were using drugs while they were gestating (ya think?). Even if a stable, loving, sane home were available, it wouldn't put their frontal lobes to rights.
If so, R86, so what? She still tried to give them a normal home, growing up with their half-sisters.
[quote]Any shrinks/therapists on this thread? Would intensive therapy be able to turn things around for them at this point?
The terms sociopath and psychopath are used irresponsibly on DL. Children cannot be diagnosed as sociopathic. However, statistically, the signs point to a poor outcome, given Denise's description of their behavior.
If Denise is letting the twins beat and spit on her kids, then perhaps she lacks the parenting skills needed to take on all of these children. I think it's pretty disgusting and cruel to keep her kids from their 1/2 brothers and sisters.
I don't understand that last reply.
Apparently R90 is implying that it is Denise's fault that the children of two out of control drug addicts are mentally disturbed? If only Denise was better somehow, the kids would just snap out of their brain damage.
What r72 said. Priorities all fucked up.
[quote]Jesus they're only four and a half. Those early years really are character forming, aren't they?
Yes, they really are.
These kids have spent more time with Denise than they have with their birth mother, so I think she is somewhat responsible for their issues.
Yes, R95, a total of six months is more than almost four years. Where did you learn math?
how in the holy hell is any of this Denise's fault?
THE FULL LETTER (since so many of you can't be bothered to go find it):
With a heavy heart I must inform you that I can no longer be Bob and Max’s caregiver. This has been an extremely difficult decision because I have so much love for the boys. I have always cared for them as if they were my own children. Unfortunately, I have seen them get worse with increased contact with their mom and I am unable to obtain for them proper assessments and professional help. I have seen the boys’ continuing violence towards animals, their sisters and adults. This recent decision means the girl’s can’t continue their relationship with their dad. I believe I have no choice coming to this difficult decision for the reasons I explain below.
I know these boys to be very kind and loving. Bob loves to draw and play the drums while Max loves sports. They think of my dad as one of their grandfathers and my youngest daughter Eloise as their sister. They look up to their big sisters and really enjoy Eloise looking up to them.
At the time of placement Bob was very anxious, biting his nails. Max was very emotional and aggressive towards his brother. Nighttime was difficult. Prior to placement they didn’t have a bedtime. It was very inconsistent. They were often up until 4am. They had no boundaries, manners, didn’t know how to share, and weren’t respectful of other children. Shortly after placement Bob stopped biting his nails, they learned to play with my daughters and other children, they did very well with a regular bedtime routine. Their school commented on the noticeable positive change. They were very respectful and had good manners. They seemed very calm and content and happy at our home.
About two months into it, their visits with their mom were increased and I saw changes. They displayed a violent anger that was uncontrollable. As you are aware NAME REDACTED, their therapist, started working with the children about a month after placement. I gave her a history of their behavior over the 10 months prior to placement and the first month after. The boys adjusted very well right after placement. I voiced my concerns to their therapist. I reminded her that they transitioned on and off prior to placement between the both of us. What I started to see in the boys was very different and disturbing at times.
The boys started to have extreme violent mood swings, often times out of nowhere. They would be calm, playing and turn on a dime. The boys would grab anything they could get their hands on as quick as possible. Toys, picture frames, any object within arm’s reach, they can pick up they would throw. They violently threw these things at me, my daughters, anyone near them, as well as at the windows and walls. They have broken iPads, cellphones, flipped small furniture and break it, along with many toys. Bob threw a remote at the tv so hard he cracked the screen. I had to take many things out of their room because they would destroy it. I have had to put things up out of their reach. Things that normally would be appropriate for a 4yr old, have to be put away. After they break things many times they say that I broke them or their sister did. Mine and Charlie’s daughters have been strangled, kicked in the head and stomach, scratched, bit, slapped, punched in the face and head, and spit on. Myself and anyone around them have also experienced this. My daughter Sami had to be taken to the doctor after getting hit in the eye with a toy when Bob came home with from a visit with his mom.
The boys have also been waking up with nightmares. Bob wakes up more often than Max, screaming and crying and it’s usually more than once in a night. The nightmares started about two months ago, then went away. Recently they have returned. Bedtime has become incredibly challenging because of the nightmares and Bob especially is very scared to go to sleep.
Their aggression is very confusing. They have a very gentle sweet side and in an instant it’s as though a switch is flipped in their mind. They can’t help it when these things happen.
The boys will play very kindly with my youngest daughter, and for no reason will knock her in the head or push her over, or pinch her hard and won’t stop. One of the boys picked up a small chair to slam on her head. I was able to stop him. I can’t turn my back on them for a second. When they think I’m not looking they’ll kick our old lab in the face or punch one of us in the head. There was a period of them being fascinated playing with their feces and urinating on our walls. One evening I put them to bed, I was getting their sisters ready for bed. The boys snuck in my youngest daughter’s room while she was asleep and locked the door. I was terrified. They wouldn’t make a sound. They wouldn’t answer me. I couldn’t hear them even though I was calling for them. I had to get Charlie’s security. They broke open the door. The boys were in my daughter’s bathroom, one was pooping in her tub, while the other one was on the toilet catching his own feces and throwing it all over her bathroom.
The most concerning behavior is that boys complete detachment from any emotion when they are in the moment inflicting harm on a person or animals. While in these moments they enter a zombie like state. This is their most troublesome behavior myself and others have witnessed. They have expressed their love for our dogs, which are very gentle and kid friendly. They both have repeatedly kicked the dogs in the head, squeezed their heads with both hands while watching the dogs whimper in pain. The boys have choked them, punched them, pressed on their back and head extremely hard. While petting our little dog very sweetly, a second later they had had their hands tight around our dog’s neck and lifted him off the floor while strangling him. While doing this, they showed no remorse or any emotion. Due to their state I can’t get their attention to stop them when they’re inflicting harm. I have to physically pry their hands away. I could wave my hand in front of their face and they won’t flinch. I have repeatedly shared this many, many times to everyone involved in this case. I tell the boys they could kill the dogs strangling them, but have gotten many responses from the boys that they want to hurt them and want them to die. Shortly after they will tell me how much they love the dogs. The examples I have given are a handful of incidences that I have witnessed since having the boys. I realize that the boys have endured a lot and I would imagine the reasons the department removed them from their home have had an effect on them. I am aware that the boys are confused. How could they not be?
On a monthly visit with the department, NAME REDACTED said she knew what I was talking about when I expressed my concern of the boys appearing to have a lack of emotional attachment while causing harm. She said that she saw one of the boys almost smiling while he was being aggressively physical. Prior to placement I never witnessed this behavior. I had seen tantrums and aggression, but this is extremely different. I am very worried that they will do severe harm to our other children, themselves or anyone else. Over the summer I had them enrolled in a gymnastics camp, after several tries they were asked to leave. They were hurting other children, slapped the coaches, and their aggression was disruptive in the camp. When the boys started school in September 2013, the head of the school was concerned. She felt that she didn’t recognize the boys that she saw the end of June 2013. The boys have continued to have trouble at school. Bob especially. He harmed other children as well as punching and slapping teachers in the face. The incidents are not everyday. It goes in waves with many ups and downs. This is true at my home, and my understanding is the same for school. However, it only takes one incident for the boys to do extreme harm to another child.
As things started to escalate with their tumultuous mood swings and volatile behavior, I went to their pediatrician for help. In August their pediatrician wrote me a letter which is attached to this letter.
He expressed his concerns over their behavior and urged me to have them go to a doctor he recommended, NAME REDACTED for a complete development and behavioral assessment. Their dad agreed also. I sent their pediatrician’s letter to the boys attorney and the department. I was given permission to move forward with the assessment. I had a two hour appointment with NAME REDACTED without the boys. During the course of the appointment she explained an assessment was important because she questioned whether the boys’ behaviors were attributable to the transitions. The appointment with the boys was two days later. The day before their appointment with the boys, NAME REDACTED from the department called and informed me the boys’ mother did not want them assessed and I could not take the boys to their appointment. After speaking with the boys’ attorney a week or so later it was explained that their mother would consider moving forward with an assessment, but wanted a doctor that I did not suggest. I reminded him the recommendation came from their pediatrician not myself. NAME REDACTED said someone else mentioned to him that I possibly wanted to take them to a doctor to get them medicated. Medication was never mentioned in any conversation that I had in discussing an assessment or anything else. It was also conveyed to me that their mother and her attorney felt that I was trying to find something wrong with the boys so that she can’t get them back. I have had to defend my position in regards to caring for the boys many times. I have been repeatedly accused of having an agenda. I will remind the department that I have genuine care and love for the boys, they are my daughter’s brothers. I do not get additional child support, their mother has continued to get support during placement. I have no agenda other than the boys’ best interests. As a result, the boys have not been assessed. It’s been about two months that I was informed I am not to take them to their pediatrician, and since then I have not received the name of one that I’m allowed to take them to should need be.
With no authority to make decisions on their behalf, I feel my hands are tied in providing them the proper help, support, and care that I feel as a parent they need. Often times their actions create an unsafe environment for themselves, my children, and others around them. There are times I feel that their best interest is being overlooked in this case and as a result I can no longer support this situation. As a parent and person who’s cared for them consistently for the last 7 months since placement and 10 months prior to placement in which they were in my care on and off at their mother’s request, I feel it would be extremely beneficial to get additional professional help for the boys. I have informed everyone involved in this matter that I believe the boys’ current mental health is detrimental to themselves and others around them.
I have spent many hours participating in therapy with the boys. I also did family therapy with their mother as requested by their therapist. I personally take care of all of their needs. I take care of the boys when they’re sick. I bought them all new clothes and shoes because they didn’t have any that fit when they were placed with me. Our daughters gave their room to their brothers which we decorated and surprised them with all the things they love. I truly have taken care and loved the boys as my own. My family has done everything to make them feel this is their home and not just a place they are staying. I have seen them feel loved, secure and benefit from the stability in our home.
The only agenda that I have is to care for them. That is it. I have no other agenda other than their well being. When I have deep concerns, seeing signs and behaviors indicating something is wrong, I would be irresponsible to not do something.
In my opinion I believe there is something deeper going on than difficulties due to transitions. Something in the boys has shifted. It doesn’t happen all the time, there are periods where it can be more often, and times when it’s less often. It’s very up and down. Regardless of how many times it’s happening, when it happens it’s on another level that is actually hard to explain unless witnessing it. I was told it’s normal and to be expected for their situation. I have been regularly told “These things will most likely go away once they’re back full time with their mom. ” I don’t know how this could be expected given her history. I also don’t know how the severity of their behavior can be ignored.
As you know Friday evening I received a call from the department that I can no longer monitor the father’s visits with the boys. The reason I was given was because of recent media. The department has previously been very supportive of the boys’ relationship with their father and also felt it was a good idea when he and I made the decision for the children and me to move close to him. As you have been made aware, it was previously very difficult to impossible for him to have a relationship with his sons while they were in the care of their mother. The last 7 months Charlie has been able to go to their school, while he was previously not allowed by their mom. He attended a Father’s Day event with the boys at school, a field trip. He has spent time with us consistently as you’ve seen on the visitation logs. His parents have been able to have a relationship with the boys as well. Janet and Martin Sheen have been very involved since placement. At the time of placement, the department was supportive of me being the monitor for their father even after their mother and lawyer opposed this in court. What may go on in the “media” has nothing to do with what is in the best interest of the boys.
Charlie has been off work the last few weeks. During that time he’s taken our daughters to school most days and picked them up, brought breakfast for all of the children, helped with homework, and had dinners with us. I’m also including their father’s final visitation log up to date. Because I have to be his monitor he’s not allowed to take his sons to school. While I am working a nanny has had to take the boys to school instead of their father. Charlie and I both respected the boundaries in place, and there has never been an incident where he has been inappropriate in front of the children. My home is very harmonious and nothing negative has ever been said to or around the boys. I can’t control what the boys may share with me or their father, however, nor should anyone try. Charlie has always remained respectful and supportive about their mother in the presence of the children.
I’m now not permitted to have their father in my home while the boys are present, which at this time is almost everyday. I do not believe that is in the best interest of the children.
Like Charlie, I have had to endure the boys’ mom’s accusations. I’m including photos that the department and the therapist have seen. I have a photo of what Bob’s face looked like at the time of myself and the boys’ meeting the monitor. From there the monitor took the boys to their mother for a day visit. I will remind the department that the photo the monitor, NAME REDACTED, or their mother took is indicating that Bob’s face looked very different from the time I gave the boys to the monitor. I was very upset by this, their therapist NAME REDACTED was at the visit at the time of arrival and did confirm Bob’s face did not look like the photo that NAME REDACTED had.
I was committed and willing to care for the boys and do everything I could to provide for them until their mom gets well. However, given I don’t have permission to get them the care and help they need I’m not able to provide the care that I believe is in their best interest. I have made endless requests for additional psychological help for the boys and explained in detail why.
Ah. So this is a ploy to stop the visits with the psycho mother.
Nothing has happened. This is a very difficult decision to make, but necessary under these circumstances. It’s become unsafe in my home at times with their behavior. I can’t risk anything happening to my daughters or anyone else in my home. For that I have to step aside at this time. I’m here to help make the transition as smooth as possible for everyone involved and hope that my daughters will still maintain their relationship with their brothers as well as myself.
Because he's Charlie Sheen r104. Do you not know how kids who are in foster care got there, or are you just completely unfamiliar with CPS removing children from dangerous situations?
Can Martin and Janet Sheen step in and take them then? They are the grandparents. Also, Charlie has an older daughter in her 20s who is married with a baby - is she around? I know I've read he financially supports her.
I mean, what foster parents are going to be able to look after these kids with all the media circus surrounding them?
Damn. Denise is a fucking saint. Who knew?
so the kids are still in her care? trajedy waiting to happen, sadly.
And what happens 15 years from now when they blame her for their lives (no doubt Brooke's feeding that to them) and they decide to go after her or their sisters?
They're all doomed.
These kids sound seriously scary. Psycho.
Thanks for posting it all R103 et al. Yikes!
It makes more sense now--only the sensational, scandalous parts were reported.
These kids need help and it's clear they won't get it unless Denise has total custody. I cannot imagine why Brooke would fight it at this point, save for the money she'll lose in child support.
R102 may be correct.
It really is very sad. I still blame Charlie. If the courts could trust him, he would get custody. Crazy lunatic.
Charlie is a sick fuck, probably a true psychotic, but I will give him credit for acknowledging he's unfit to raise children. Brooke isn't there yet.
R113 I blame Charlie equally--what a mess of a life. It's no wonder he tried to help Lindsay Lohan, at least financially. He is exactly what she'll eventually be if she doesn't die of an OD or straighten up soon. (But since Oprah just gave her $2,000,000, I don't see Lindsay changing her ways in the near future.)
Charlie probably thinks this is normal boys will be boys behavior. He couldn't care less, he's just glad they aren't "sissies."
I'll have no more respect for Martin Sheen if he doesn't speak out about this. His son is contemptible garbage and it's time he publicly admitted it in no uncertain terms.
Oh please, if Martin gave a rat's ass he would've been there for his own kids.
After all, a man has to work, right? And fuck everything with legs in any spare time.
Now, if we accept Denise's state of affairs then the kids need serious psychological help.
It's clear that if even half of what she says is true, these kids need immediate help.
However, Saint Denise knows which side her bread is buttered on, meaning that her sole source of income is Charlie and he could be pulling her strings.
Of course, that goes for Brooke too. Not that there's a contest between the two.
Brooke should not have custody, or even sleepovers, with the kids, that's obvious even by the social services inept standards.
It's Charlie's motivation that gives me pause.
Those kids have lived as they had for four years.
I just don't know how much of this is true, I mean, how could we?
There's a divorce and lots of money involved, not to mention enormous ego.
If taken by it's word, these kids need intensive therapy. They most likely have attachment disorder, and if you haven't heard of it, you need to google.
It's not just 'mommy didn't pay attention to me'. This is what serial killers are made of.
Then something else dawned on me.
If Brooke is mentally ill besides her addictions (which I think she is), she could be telling the kids to wreak havoc at Denise's house.
Sick situation all around and I feel so sorry for those kids. All of them.
How many kids does he have?
Of course Charlie is the biggest dick here.
I can't believe he's even working and that people actually watch his show.
I guess if you're entertaining enough, it doesn't matter if you're a fucking no good, piece of shit parent.
To those of you who think there is no proof Denise Richards is a whore.
SHE MARRIED CHARLIE SHEEN.
Seriously, what trumps that?
R116: Richards is a working actress. Currently, she is on a ABC Family show. She is fine financially.
[quote] Wow Sheen is at it again, out of control with the raging histrionics and insults. If he's not careful the kids will end up in foster care with no contact with either parents or Denise
honestly, that would be the best thing for these kids. Charlie is just as crazy - if not crazier - than Brooke. He is seriously mentally ill. Denise is the least craziest out of all three of them, but she still has her own problems. The worst of those problems being the fact that she associates with crazy charlie sheen.
His kids are not and have not been with him for good reasons. He's a drug/alcohol abuser and refuses to get any type of treatment for his addictions and mental illness. I also remember 4 or 5 years ago how they (charlie and brooke) gave a ton of interviews about how they felt Denise was mentally ill and a bitch trying to turn the daughters against charlie.
So much bullshit in your post, R116, it's hard to know where to start.
It is not possible for four year olds to carry out an organized, stealth campaign to "act" like psychopaths because someone else put them up to it. How idiotic. Yeah....let's play with our own feces and strangle the dogs because mommy told us to. Uh, okay.
Since when is "must be parent of the year" a job requirement anywhere, let alone in the entertainment industry where millions are at stake? Are you high?
Serial killers often come from loving homes, and many great, upstanding citizens come from families of horrible dysfunction. The truth is, no one knows why people become serial killers. Sometimes it's genetic, sometimes brain damage, sometimes abuse, sometimes a combination of all or none of those things.
Martin Sheen was never a sleazy man-whore. Where did you get that from?
I don't know if she was a prostitute or not, nor do I care. She has 3 kids and as far as I know, she's a good mom. She took the two kids of her psycho ex-husband and his new wife - that's more than 90% of women would have done.
Those kids sound like future serial killers. Scary.
I don't care for them either.
"If Brooke is mentally ill besides her addictions (which I think she is), she could be telling the kids to wreak havoc at Denise's house. "
Mentally ill? Look, if child support payments from Charlie are her main means of support, she doesn't need to be mentally ill to encourage the kids to wreak havoc - just stupid. She may think that if she ruins the relationship between Denise and the boys, she might get her little cash cows back.
And I'm no expert on children, but I suspect it's very easy to get 4-year-old boys to act like hellspawn. Making them behave is what's hard.
According to the letter, Brooke was pocketing the child support while Denise had the children.
Well, you're a fucking nitwit if you think it's "very easy" to get 4 year old children to smear/throw feces and torture animals. How stupid can you be?
My post at R125 was in response to R123.
I give Denise Richards a lot of credit for stepping in to take the boys and give them a stable home life - particularly given the bizarre circumstances. It's obvious that neither Brooke Mueller nor Charlie Sheen is fit to raise them. Astoundingly though, Charlie is the lesser of two evils.
This is a disaster in the making and it won't take long to blow up if Brooke Mueller gets custody of them.
Denise Richards had her own well publicized divorce battles with Charlie, so she's a saint for taking care of the the two boys. But enough is enough. She has her own three young girls, her dogs AND herself to worry about. As for Martin and Janet Sheen, I believe they raised Charlie's oldest daughter Cassandra and they've always been concerned grandparents.
I pity these boys.
I'm wondering if the kids have been abused by the cray-cray parents during visits and that's why they behavior is so bizarre?
Brooke Mueller To Be Granted FULL Custody Of Boys By Xmas!
Charlie Sheen is gonna blow!!!
That's because his ex Brooke Mueller is totally on the right path to gaining total custody her twins - Bob and Max - who were taken away from her months ago over her drug abuse problems!
Charlie Sheen has been freaking out recently since he is totally against his ex wife gaining custody of their children again, and had originally wanted Denise Richards to keep taking care of the boys.
But that option was recently removed from the table, and it seems like the boys really have no where else to go!
Unless Charlie wants to take care of them. Something he's never really talked about despite his criticisms against Brooke Mueller!
Since Brooke has apparently been completely clean since she's left rehab, the DCFS doesn't really have a valid reason why she shouldn't be granted custody of her children again. Something which many expect to happen real soon!
Here's what a source said: “Brooke will be awarded custody of the boys by Christmas, as long as she doesn’t relapse. She has been sober for several months. She hasn’t had one dirty test. She has done everything that has been asked of her by DCFS, so at this point, there is absolutely no reason for Brooke not to get her boys back.”
Charlie is reportedly livid about this decision and on Tuesday night he went on a rant about the case workers.
He said: “I am beyond their timid morality, therefore I am beyond caring [about any potential gag orders] … What my family and I [have been] forced to deal with in the last 4 years, lives outside the pale of any acceptable conduct or decency. I am battling an amorphous enemy that needs to be swiftly disempowered.
These crimes against my children will be exposed. These war criminals will be hanged at dusk to a cheering and jeering crowd, gathered together in love in support of all children who are mercilessly discarded like garbage by CPS. Which by the way stands for ‘CAN”T PROTECT SH*TE.”
Brooke Mueller, for her part, doesn't understand why Charlie Sheen is so against her getting back the kids!
Here's what a source said: “She just wants her boys back and doesn’t understand why Charlie has gone on a tirade against her publicly. She isn’t a saint and doesn’t pretend to be, but neither is Charlie. He needs to take a very long look at himself in the mirror before spouting off at Brooke.”
We obviously can see why Charlie Sheen is upset about his boys - they have a lot of problems, and ideally Brooke should really focus on herself until she's in a good place before taking on MORE responsibility.
But since no one else wants to take care of the boys other than her - what other options are there?
[quote]I'm wondering if the kids have been abused by the cray-cray parents during visits and that's why they behavior is so bizarre?
My mother did emergency foster care for a few years and more often than not, when the kids returned from visits with their families they would become violent and generally more out of control than before the visits. It would take her two days to get them back on track.
I can see why the Estevez's have not (seemingly) stepped up to care for the kids. I think they feel that Charlie needs to see the true stakes of his addiction. If the family had the boys Charlie can continue thinking everything's fine. It's highly doubtful that even this would make him clean up his act.
Wow, the judge in CA gave the kids back to Brooke today, with her brother Scott (where did he come from and where was he all this time) made guardian, he will move in with them and "monitor" Brooke's interactions with them until she is deemed fit to have full custody again.
TMZ has the quotes from Charlie, too lazy to link, I'm sure you can imagine what was said anyway. This is apparently the first step to re-uniting the kids permanently with Brooke, should she stay sober. To top off, all three adults here (Sheen, Denise and Brooke) all live in the same gated community.
It's a shame that these kids are being impacted by the instability in their family life and can't even stay in a nice home with their sisters because of their lack of (good) parenting. They're acting out and Denise can't even do what she would normally do to correct/instruct her own children, because she's limited being a temporary guardian. I've been around foster children and kids who have been moved from home to home. There's nothing innately wrong with these children, I'm sad this hasn't worked out.
Oh also, I don't think if they're put back with either parent that their behavior will improve. There's likely a lot of permissiveness and competitiveness between their parents which would likely not result in appropriate boundaries and behavior modification (which takes nothing special but the run of the mill decent parenting).
The twins probably have tiger's blood.
[quote]her brother Scott (where did he come from and where was he all this time)
This is a really terrible decision by this judge. And I work in family law.
Jesus TMZ is wringing this for all its worth. Their new headline screams "Brooke & Charlie's kids: Back in Brooke's Clutches". With a photo of her picking them up from school today. I half expect to hear witchy cackling in the background.
Warlocks make no sound. Expect to hear from these boys in about 11 years. Eleven is a magic number.
Why is everyone bitching about Brooke being so awful (and she is), but nobody says shit about Charlie and gives him a pass?? I'm so sick of this shit. He's just as shitty of a parent and he has NO right to criticize Brooke.
Kate Hudson should look after the twins. She is good at solving problems.
Charlie is an absolute shit, no doubt, but he's not trying for custody. He either doesn't want it or he recognizes he is unfit, but she is every bit as incompetent as he is yet wants custody.
Charlie isn't the one with primary r138, she is (now). And SHE is the one who kept blocking Denise's attempts to get help for the boys; not Charlie. It was after HER periods of visitation and possession that they came back fucked up; not their supervised visits with Charlie.
Not everything is sexism, dear. Sometimes it's just because the bitch is fucking crazy and she is in the wrong.
Isn't Kate Hudson kind of a monster?
Denise did the right thing...if I were her I would move out of the gated community.
Denise is on Charlie's payroll. What she gets from ABC Family is small potatoes.
I take everything she says with a rather large grain of salt, just as I take everything Charlie and Brooke say with a rather large grain of salt. All three of them are sleazy bottom-dwellers.
Charlie Sheen is likely to OD soon, I'm surprised he hasn't already. Whoever controls the children will ultimately control the estate or at least benefit greatly from it.
"Charlie is an absolute shit, no doubt, but he's not trying for custody. He either doesn't want it or he recognizes he is unfit, but she is every bit as incompetent as he is yet wants custody."
Charlie wants to pay someone else to raise his children, so he's free to party. Which is vile, but the children are better off with someone else - anyone else.
Brooke probably wants the children because child support payments are her chief means of support. Denise looks saintly by comparison, because she doesn't seem to have a financial interest in the little monsters. She's already getting child support money from Charlie for the other kids, and will already get control of their trust funds. The hellspawn boys may increase her share of his money, but not by enough to make it worth the trouble of keeping them.
R144 makes a great point.
Denise and Charlie are in sync. Maybe they do have an agreement whereby if she raises the kids, which would be the best possible scenario, she would be the executrix of his estate. I wonder how much he's worth at this point. All things considered, I doubt he'll live to be sixty.
For those who were wondering about what Charlie's legal status is vis a vis his twins, this from TMZ today:
Charlie Sheen is a self-absorbed, psychologically screwed-up parent who is quick to blame others for the plight of his twins, but unwilling to step up to the plate ...so claims the L.A. County Dept. of Children and Family Services.
DCFS sources tell TMZ ...they're pissed that Charlie is hurling grenades at everyone involved in the mess that has become his family - calling Brooke Mueller a "whore," the judge an "anus brain" and DCFS "incompetent and lascivious."
Our DCFS sources - who work in the trenches - say Charlie has NEVER made a real move to take custody of Bob and Max. As one source put it, "He cares more about his drugs and porn stars than he does the kids."
There seem to be 2 schools of thought at DCFS - one is that Charlie is so psychologically screwed up and angry that he should never have the kids, and the other that he has never given the Dept. the chance to take a serious look at him as a custodial parent.
What is Charlie's drug of choice? Besides all of them?
R147 They're absolutely right. If he's so fucking concerned about their well-being, then straighten the fuck up and take care of them yourself. But that won't happen because partying is more important to him. So he really has no fucking right to criticize anyone or anything.
I assumed it was coke, he probably smokes a lot of crack.
r149 - That's idiotic. He knows he's not fit to be a custodial parent but that doesn't mean he has to be content with whatever happens to his kids.
Sure, he's a POS, but he's at least keeping his shittiness from his kids. That does make him better than their other POS parent. And what makes you think he's capable of looking after them, even sober? Maybe this is all he can do.
DCFS going off on Charlie is sort of ridiculous considering that they think it's a good idea to give the kids back to Brooke.
This is just another example of how screwed up DCFS is. Besides, should they even be making comments to the public about the situation?
They'll be with Brooke & her brother. The brother is a software developer ceo & married to an ob/gyn. Charlie won't clean up for them. And Charlie's FAMILY, you know Emilio, Martin, etc haven't stepped up to the plate either, and frankly they should.
"celeb" druggy users need to be sterilized. Not all the money in the world can fix the horror of what they've done to society by bringing disturbed psycho children into the world.
You know for all the bullshit causes Martin has stood for he won't get involved with grands? Geez if Brooke was daughter in law, you can bet your sweet ass I would something
Brookes a fuckup. Remember how Charlie was when these 2 beautys hooked up. Both are lowlifes. Sadly
[quote]You know for all the bullshit causes Martin has stood for he won't get involved with grands? Geez if Brooke was daughter in law, you can bet your sweet ass I would something
Well, we're sure you'd something...
Are you 70 something years old after already having raised one of Charlie's kids, R155? Let alone a two nearly wild and uncontrollable children? Once you've tried under the circumstances, please get back to us how this works out for you. OK?
If you are 70 plus and in your golden years, I'm in awe that you could be so loving and responsible as to take in a couple of disturbed crack babies with severe behavioral problems in your convalescence, despite your waning health and vigor. Could you write a small essay about your other altruistic expenditures? Please?
Just moving the kids into a new house with someone who isn't Denise or Charlie is NOT going to help these kids. You're all acting like it will.
The crux of the problem is that they need intense psychological help. Denise has tried to get it for them but needs Brooke's permission to do so, and Brooke won't give it. That's not going to change just because they (hypothetically) go live with Martin Sheen.
There are thousands of these cases every day in the country. These happen to be celebs but local and state agencies are dealing with large numbers of people with the parenting skills of tom cats.
One of the guys I work with rents a house to a woman with 4 small children. She uses the children's government assistance to pay the bills and brags that 2 kids would not cover rent so she had to have 2 more. She has nothing to offer 1 child but she has a use for 4.
Then you see these mothers who can't sleep worrying that their children might be eating apples that have pesticides. Men and women who just love their kids and want the best for them should not criticize themselves when they can see what a truly neglectful parent is.
"Sure, he's a POS, but he's at least keeping his shittiness from his kids."
How do you know that? He's a psycho piece of shit, the only way he isn't dumping crazy onto his kids is if he never sees them.
My exact thoughts R144 and R145.
r159 his periods of possession are all supervised. He doesn't have them overnights. He knows he shouldn't have them. He's also not the parent who is refusing to sign off on the therapy they need. Whether you want to believe it or not, that is demonstrating love and care for his kids. I don't know why you're so determined to pin all of the responsibility for this on him.
Martin Sheen and his wife live up in Malibu, DCFS may not consider them as guardians due to their advanced age, health issues, and distance; they let Brooke's brother move in with her specifically so the boys could stay in their local school.
It'll be interesting to see what happens from here. The brother sounds stable, but where was he before all this? Barring a dirty test, Brooke will eventually be given full custody again in the coming months. That's going to be the real test.
They will turn out like Redmond O'Neal. I foresee many arrests in their future and they'll probably end up doing drugs with one or both of their parents.
According to Radar online, Brooke just tested positive for Adderall. That was one of the drugs what she was snorting before rehab. However, DFCS doesn't see it as a problem b/c she has a RX.
[quote]Then you see these mothers who can't sleep worrying that their children might be eating apples that have pesticides. Men and women who just love their kids and want the best for them should not criticize themselves when they can see what a truly neglectful parent is.
This isn't a mommy blog, Mary.
Sounds like the kids may have Reactive Attachment Disorder, that happens sometimes to kids raised in an orphanage that don't get enough human contact to bond. They can act like wild animals. I also wouldn't doubt they may have been born with some type of Fetal Alcohol Effects which will also screw up a kid.
I've seen spoiled children act liked wild animals when they didn't get there own way.
[quote] "Sure, he's a POS, but he's at least keeping his shittiness from his kids."
I doubt that's true. He's never cared about his kids before. Remember how he went on that lovely trip to NYC with Denise and the kids? Remember how he hired and brought a hooker along to dinner with Denise and his daughters. Denise and the kids left the restaurant and then Charlie brought the hooker back to his hotel room that was right across the hallway from the room his daughters were in and proceeded to beat and terrorize the prostitute. Then when he walked out on Two and a Half Men. He actually had custody of his kids at the time because Brooke was either in trouble or rehab. And what does Charlie do? He hires two skank hookers to look after the kids.
He doesn't give a shit about his kids. If he did he would clean up his act and take custody of them. I remember all the bad things he used to say about Denise and how he used to say she was an unfit mother. That makes me not believe one word he says. I also remember when he shot Kelly Preston
Typical... the one pill she [i]should[/i] have taken is the only one she left alone.
Charlie Sheen's vagabond twins may be moving yet again, because sources tell us their new guardian -- Brooke Mueller's brother Scott -- may be uprooting them to a fancy beach community.
We broke the story ... Scott Mueller intended to move into Brooke's home in the same gated community where Charlie lives, so the kids could stay in familiar surroundings and attend the same school.
Here's the problem. Charlie is so fed up with Brooke, he wants her out of his neighborhood. Charlie has the power to make her move, because he owns the house and he told TMZ he plans to put it on the market as early as today -- for $4.8 mil, which is what he paid for it.
Sources close to Scott tell TMZ ... if it looks like Charlie is serious, Scott will take the twins to his home in ritzy Manhattan Beach, approximately 20 miles from where they live now. Scott has a daughter the same age as the twins, and he'd enroll them in her school in the beachside community.
As for Brooke ... it doesn't matter where Scott lands -- his home or the one she's in now -- the judge has clarified that she can't live under the same roof until she gets custody back. So, as we reported, she's looking for a condo.
Brooke is currently allowed to see the kids for 3 days a week, with 2 overnight visits.
I really feel sorry for Denise.
Those boys are fucked.
R172 Agreed. The boys are the victims in this mess.
So Charlie's selling the house his kids live in out from under them? Oh that's nice. More disruption. Is he doing this out of spite or does he need the money?
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