Weirdly I liked to believe, I'd like to see one, just the once, it would prove in life after death.
I believe in GHI at threads; there are too damn many.
No. It's absurd.
Yes, I believe in ghosts. I may not have seen one personally but that doesn't discredit other peoples' experiences. People across all cultures have attested to their existence whether as ghosts, shades or wraiths.
No, because I'm not an ignorant idiot.
When you experience something strange, it's okay to say "I have no idea what that was."
It's not okay to say "Oh, that was obviously the disembodied spirit of someone who died but still has things to do on this spiritual plane!"
Talk about jumping to conclusions on little-to-no evidence.
And yes, I can discredit other people's experiences. Well, not their EXPERIENCES, but certainly their explanations for those experiences.
R6, I would like for you to spend this Halloween's nite in a completely full cemetery. Make sure you get there before midnight and then give me your profound explanations. No one here has ever been on a ghost or haunted tour? I've never seen a ghost personally but strange shit does happen and it can't be accounted with simple cognitive bias.
[quote]I may not have seen one personally but that doesn't discredit other peoples' experiences. People across all cultures have attested to their existence whether as ghosts, shades or wraiths.
People across all cultures attest to a God too, and yet….
Just because "strange shit does happen" doesn't mean it's supernatural.
Back in the old timey days, people thought lightning was "strange shit" and therefore from a God. Now we know better.
Strange shit just means we haven't figured out the cause yet. That's all.
R8, That just proves my point.
Look gentlemen, there's a simple way to prove it. I don't need your rationalizations. Go put yourself in the field and test it. Simple right? Then come back to me.
No. Why? Because I am not an irrational fool.
I'm sane, normal, intelligent --ivy league grad degree -- level-headed, and I completely believe ghosts exist. They don't have white sheets on them and yell boo, but spirits live.
My grandfather has a house on the cape that absolutely is inhabited by ghosts or spirits. Pretty much everyone who has stayed there has seen or heard them. They show themselves in strange ways: hearing someone walking up and down the steps; seeing a magazine's page carefully turning one by one, as if someone is reading it, etc. We all just live with the knowledge that we're not alone there.
[quote]I'm sane, normal, intelligent --ivy league grad degree -- level-headed, and I completely believe ghosts exist.
Then you are neither sane nor intelligent, and definitely not rational.
Why would you "completely believe" in something that has ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF beyond the anecdotal (especially given most of those anecdotes can be explained away).
There are million dollar rewards for anyone capable of proving any sort of super-natural, extra-sensory, or "spiritual" event.
These rewards have gone unclaimed for decades and decades.
Agrre with R6- no because I am not an idiot.
Neither do I believe in Santa or the tooth fairy, elves, unicorns, witches, vampires, werewolves... etc.
I do believe in spooks. I do.
Okay since some doesn't believe in ghosts. What about artificially created spirits. The UK had this program where they showed such. Ever heard of The Philip Experiment. Explain that. I really want to here from the deniers.
r18 - Cite one credible source that verifies that experiment's claims.
What would you do if you met one?
R19. Look, the proof is in the pudding as they say. Put yourself in a position to experience the supernatural and then tell me what you think. Was it all an hallucination, temporary psychosis, or other? You not going to believe it until you see it, so do it. Forget citations and what others have to say. See it with your own two eyes then tell me honestly what was it or caused it.
It's funny how absurdly angry it makes some people when others believe in ghosts.
Who are people who believe in ghosts hurting, exactly? It's not like they try to shove their beliefs down anyone else's throats that way so many religious people do.
And people who believe in ghosts don't explode with rage when other people don't believe in them. So I think it's the nonbelievers who are irrational...there's no other explanation for why they take it so personally when it has zero effect on them.
Is R16 hiding a racist remark in his post?
Turn in your gay card, r23.
I was once, for most of my life, in the "no way, you're a nut" camp.
Then I had my own experience.
I don't like to claim what I saw and experienced was a ghost, but there was "something" that was witnessed by others simultaneously and described precisely the same.
I still believe that some claims are bullshit, like some in "Celebrity Ghost Stories" but others I 100% believe after my own experience.
For those here who want to claim I am irrational, idiotic, superstitious, and on and on... I can say you are smug, self-righteous, narrow-minded, and arrogant... and afraid.
There was another "Ghost" thread here a couple of years ago in which I went into detail.
How do you explain me?
R25, you should read more. About how the mind can play tricks on you, how your perceptions can mislead you, how suggestion can alter memory.
I'll bet if there was a video of your "experience" and you just saw it for the first time now, you'd be surprised at how different it was from what you remember.
If you knew more about how the brain worked, and about studies that show many of these 'feelings' and perceptions can be induced in the lab... clearly fake situations that the subjects feel are just as "real" as you feel your "experience" was... you'd be a bit more skeptical I think.
[quote]you should read more
And you should try to comprehend what you read.
It's clear in my post that my experience was shared, in every detail.
How can you explain away that with claims about the mind playing tricks? How is it that my experience is precisely the same as others? Were our minds playing exactly the same tricks on us at exactly the same time and in the same place?
It wasn't just me.
R28, instead of babbling on in ignorance, why don't you take my suggestion and learn more?
Seriously, you make yourself sound seriously foolish.
Yes, R23 should probably turn in his gay card, but, to be fair, R16 left out a lot of the quote.
[quote]I do believe in spooks, I do believe in spooks, I do, I do, I do, I do believe in spooks, I do believe in spooks, I do, I do, I do, I do!
R14 -- How much proof do you need to believe that there is some sort of energy that really can't be explained? Yes, the proof is anecdotal, but it's still proof. I've seen and heard far too many things at my grandfather's cape house for me to dismiss that it's not some sort of spirit that is causing it. Also, a friend of mine bought a used car. He would occasionally see someone sitting in the back sit when he looked in the rear view mirror. At first he was freaked out, but he got used to it. One time, when a few friends were in the back seat, he turned around, and the friends starting screaming. He asked what was wrong, and they told him that it wasn't him who turned around. The described what he looked like, and it was exactly like the person my friend would see in the rear view mirror. Yes, that's anecdotal -- no scientists were present and photos weren't taken -- but I believe that there was some sort of ghost in my friend's car. Why do we dismiss and not believe something just because we can't empirically prove it? Some things require faith, and the willingness to believe what might not be able to be proven.
[quote]How much proof do you need to believe that there is some sort of energy that really can't be explained?
Let's start with "any", and go from there. Because right now, there is ZERO scientific proof of any such thing.
[quote]Yes, the proof is anecdotal, but it's still proof.
You apparently have a "FOX News" definition of the word "proof"... might I suggest a dictionary?
[quote]I've seen and heard far too many things at my grandfather's cape house for me to dismiss that it's not some sort of spirit that is causing it.
You hear things, and from that alone, can judge exactly what it is? Really? You're not at all reading into it, filling in gaps with your imagination, or jumping to conclusions? Seriously?
Wisdom for R32.
r32. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, chances are it's a duck. We might be jumping to conclusions and filling in the blanks, but, pretty often, things are what they look like.
Except, R34, in this sort of case, that has yet to ever be proven to be the case. Almost every one of these things that is every seriously looked into is found to be something completely explainable and not at all super-natural, and certainly not a "human spirit, visible and making sounds and stuff".
You think I could write those books by myself?
Has anyone watched the Youtube videos of evps? There's a channel called Huff Paranormal that has some very compelling videos. He records evps and sessions with a scanning radio, and usually gets appropriate answers to his questions. Sometimes the voices on the radio even say his name.