Today they were all 'jammin' to some 1980s metal/hair band on "the plaza"...
The hosts were dressed as someone from a television show from the 1980s and... THE FLINTSTONES.
The people who put together this show are completely clueless as to how dated it is, and stale and sad and silly. It's as if they refuse to admit we're in the 21st Century.
Meanwhile, all the meemaws and peepaws of America tune in and dream of coming to New York to stand outside and wave at the increasingly ridiculous hosts.
Could somebody here in television tell me what might account for this? It seriously confuses but interests me. When you compare it to the other show which is now #1 and it's so clear to see what the problems are, is it possible they just don't see them?
Is Universal putting out a new Flintstones movie?
Or maybe they don't assume their audience consists entirely of 20-somethings who think the world began when their mama's egg for fertilized?
Hit a nerve did we R2?
I'm no 20 something myself and definitely get tired of the media speaking almost solely to that demographic, but at the same time, the Today Show IS very sad and dated, even for me, a 40 year old guy.
I'm mostly interested in the strategy of it and couldn't give less than a shit over it sinking or winning in the ratings. I just find it head-scratching that while the other programs either try to focus on being truly more mature and newsworthy OR full-throttle trashy and tabloidy (like GMA), the Today Show is still the tired old granny program of the morning where even their attempts to be 'wacky' come across as old.
I mean, come on, their costumes were 1960s/1970s cartoon characters?!?! A "Bay Watch Babe"?!? A HAIR BAND from the 80s? Can you not see the pattern there??
Their demographic is frau age forty+. Period end of story.
And Good Morning America and Live with Kelly & Michael dressed as Kim Kardashian and Miley Cyrus. Give me The Flintstones any day.
What was Matt Lauer dressed as?
Home sick a few weeks ago. One of the morning shows had this ridiculous group on in the plaza that sang the stupidest song ever. Something about what the fox would say.
And the fraus were all jiggling and giggling and dancing in fox outfits. I felt sad for them. Morning television is really the least common denominator for Americans.
I'd bet the demographic is even older than 40, but the point is - they know who their demographic is, and that's who they pander to. Their strategy isn't to attract new viewers but to keep the ones who've been watching for years.
Yeah OP, its one of the more pressing problems facing the world today.
Still much better Halloween than GMA!!!
[quote]Yeah OP, its one of the more pressing problems facing the world today.
As evidenced by your chiming-in R9. Ironic much?
Stupid is as stupid does. My lover watches the beginning of the show every day, god knows why? I always seem to have something to do in another part of the house at 7:00A.M. The crowds outside say it all. The front office types must think that Middle America, or Middle Earth for that matter, will be interested to view their dreck, if they see others of their kind so whipped up into a frenzy. Sad is the correct word to characterize the goings on in front of AND behind the camera. The players, the sets, the ungodly length of the show all add up to nothing. They are obviously too hidebound to try something new, or admit they are years behind the times. Some heads will roll, but probably not anytime soon.
The only people I've ever heard of watching this show or having a television with channels is a bunch of old queens. Everyone else I know is & has been ZERO TV for at least a decade. The demo for this and every show on television is old queens.
R13, then your world is small. Very very small. You need to meet a LOT more people, honey.
It's also Throwback Thursday on Today, with performances by Billy Idol and Loverboy.
Although I am not a big fan of Matt's, and think he needs to leave the Today show, I do find him sexy.
I get what you're asking, OP. I'm a longtime viewer of the show and loved both the Katie/Matt combo and Matt/Meredith duo. The show careened off course as soon as Ann was in the anchor chair (something she was clearly not good at as evidenced by years of fill-in hosting). And the way she was fired made it sooo much worse. Now Matt is seen as the bad guy, and Al seems angry all the time. It really is about the on-screen chemistry in the morning. I do like the new set and I'm a Savannah fan, but the whole Orange Room/Carson Daly thing just seems desperate and out of place. So, I'll often tune in at 7:00 (old habits die hard), but find most mornings I've switched to CBS by 7:30. Very newsy, interesting, and the anchors have great rapport.
[quote]It's also Throwback Thursday on Today,
Again, WHO does that except oldies radio stations and the Today Show. What is "throwback Thursdays" supposed to mean anyway?
I'm not saying every segment should be for or about Brooklyn mommies and 20-something hipsters, but this program is clearly lost in a timewarp and the fact they don't appear to realize that fascinates me.
They tried giving themselves a new set, so I give them a little credit; but with the same old tiresome Al Roker, trying desperately to be zany and lovable and the two sad fraus hosting the late morning show going on and on about their drinking, in hopes they'll connect with all their "girlfriends" out in TV land is just really sad and desperate.
They bleed ratings every week. They fact they don't do something is interesting to say the least.
The problem with dumbing your show down to the American public is that the American public keeps getting dumber more quickly.
LOL, r22! OTHER people (or maybe it is just you!) have posted stuff like that about Carson before, that he has poor, shall we say "anal hygiene." Is this just a wildcard guess or....shudder.
Intelligent people don't watch the morning frau shows. We're in front of our laptops/tablets in the early morning.
R24, so you watch them, then?
No I don't watch them. I don't need to know who the latest missing white girl is, I have deadlines due at 8:00 am, so I'm on my tablet in the early morning. It's called working for a living.
Matt had a nice package in that suit
I was surprised that The View Halloween show didn't suck. Whoopie had on a really great costume and Jenny McCarthy went as Miley Cyrus' tongue. Jeffrey Ross did a really wicked bit playing a medium. So far it's the best of the day. And I am not a fan, at all.
This show is terrible.
[quote]dressed as someone from a television show from the 1980s
Did someone over the age of 21 happen to see this and can tell us who the costume was?
[quote]No I don't watch them. I don't need to know who the latest missing white girl is, I have deadlines due at 8:00 am, so I'm on my tablet in the early morning. It's called working for a living.
Cut the bullshit. I've worked in the commercial art field over 25 years.
At the agency, where I have one of my main accounts, the studio manager has a small TV in his office.
Mr. Laptop/Tablet, just because a person is 'working' doesn't mean they don't have diversions at work. Especially as most people spend a large portion of their lives at work, how can they not have diversions.
I don't know one person, in any field, who works their entire workday!
At this account, one of the illustrators, has a bookshelf stereo system in his cubicle and the illustration manager does yoga in her office.
You just keep toiling away at your laptop and tablet, because we all know that being very diligent at work always leads to making major bucks! Ha-ha.
Ann Curry must be happy she's no longer a part of this train wreck.
Miss me yet?
While GMA and Today unveiled their Halloween costumes, over at CBS they were interviewing astronaut Chris Hatfield about his new book.
Because being on your laptop and having the t.v. on at 7:00 in the morning are mutually exclusive? Somehow I manage to do it every day.
Well, apparently Mister Laptop American Success Story has time to take breaks from his hectic, important day to post on the Datalounge. So, you know, just sayin...
R7 is 900,000,000 years old.
[quote]While GMA and Today unveiled their Halloween costumes, over at CBS they were interviewing astronaut Chris Hatfield about his new book.
YES! And this is exactly why I only watch CBS
in the AM. It's for grown-ups. Intelligent
grown-ups. No mention of that K-tramp or
garage sale finds or Darva Conger.
Thank you CBS.
[quote] YES! And this is exactly why I only watch CBS in the AM. It's for grown-ups. Intelligent grown-ups.
But they are in third
Which says everything we need to know about the American populace, R39.
Gee. The poster who said he/she was on their laptop in the morning sure are pissing off the morning show frauen.
I see a few minutes of The Today Show from time to time in the mornings at my local Dunkin Donuts. It always has the same effect: It liquefies my brain which then leaks out of my ears.
It's a truly embarrassing spectacle that we as a nation can't seem to stop talking about!
Mr. Tablet/Frauen is certainly putting all you old vagines in your place!
[quote]Today they were all 'jammin' to some 1980s metal/hair band on "the plaza"...
I saw that part on the TV in my doctor's waiting room. It was "Working For The Weekend" by Loverboy. It was sad and bewildering.
"Next up we'll discuss what was said about our costumes yesterday..."
This is the NEW Today show.
R34, you did not notice that I was dressed as Charlie Rose and he was dressed as ME?
Was the show always this bad, or has it just degenerated along with its parent network?
GMA and Today are only giving the public what they want.
If you notice CBS is still in third place.
I think the whole cast and crew is so tired after getting up at 3am to work, that all they can do is just go through the motions.
Jane Pauley and Katie Couric only got up at 5AM.
I can't believe how many DLers watch this shit, and even worse, post links here to the show's fucking website.
My god, don't any of you people have jobs? Is everyone here 70 and up?
If Dave Garroway were alive to see what's become of the Today Show, he'd shoot himself.
[quote] If Dave Garroway were alive to see what's become of the Today Show, he'd shoot himself.
Wasn't he the one that had a monkey as a regular on the show?
R53, Dave Garroway shot himself in real life.
Dave Garroway's co-host was BOOGER-EATING BABOON!
[quote]Dave Garroway's co-host was BOOGER-EATING BABOON!
Kathie Lee was around back then?
Does the CBS show generate lower advertising rates because they're third in the ratings, or higher rates because their audience is of a supposedly superior intelligence/economic standing?
Or does the superior audience intelligence preclude gullibility to advertiser influence?
I don't know anyone my age who watches this fucking horseshit.
I have no animus toward life's frauen, and would miss them greatly if they all were Raptured to that great Curves in the sky ...
That said, the Today show is nothing BUT fraubait. Fraunip. Purina Frau Chow.
I had the same thought as OP. All of the other talk shows featured costumes that reflected people in the news (except for Whoopi goldberg who dressed as The Mandarin on The View), and the Today show just seemed off topic. I think they're trying to play up the warm and fuzzy TV nostalgia as part of their re-branding. They seem to be emphasizing a quaint, wholesome vibe.
I stopped watching ABC when it became clear they had made a deal with the Zimmerman defense for sympathetic/"exclusive" coverage
The Today show producers know what they are doing. You just watch, they will turn the ship around. Actually, that's when Matt will "retire." He will go out on top.
R 62 "The Today show producers know what they are doing."? Since when?
[quote]Cut the bullshit. I've worked in the commercial art field over 25 years.
"Commercial art field" ? I see someone's been watching too much "Mad Men." No one in advertising actually *draws* these days, dear, and if you actually *worked* in the field, you'd know it. Today they just call it "creative." (As a proper noun.) Unless, of course, you're working in some tired Bumfuckian time warp of a town like St. Louis or something...
[quote]At this account, one of the illustrators, has a bookshelf stereo system in his cubicle
...and on the off chance you still had anyone fooled with this schtick, you lost them there. "Bookshelf stereo system"? Seriously?? We're two months from 2014! NOBODY USES THESE THINGS! They were replaced LITERALLY A DECADE AGO by iPods! And today cube dwellers listen to streaming Spotify on their earbuds, not some Stone Age relic back in the reject pile with "boomboxes" and "answering machines"!
The CBS Morning Show has been stuck in 3rd for well over 30 years and is going to continue to be irrelevant.
[quote]Could somebody here in television tell me what might account for this?
Sure: "The Today Show" and "GMA" generate $500 million a year in ad revenue. Each. Why on earth do you think they stretched "Today" out to four full hours? For shits and giggles? For comparison's sake, NBC typically LOSES money each year on its primetime roster. Last year the entire evening NBC lineup *lost* $35 million!
In reality, NBCUniversal makes money in four places: morning TV, late night TV, sports, and cable. You may think Jay Leno is as tired and flyover country-appealing as it gets -- and you'd be right -- but the entire *reason* NBC engaged in its epic cock fight with Leno and Conan five years ago is because "The Tonight Show" nets a profit of $80 million a year. Or at least it used to, before the Leno-Conan fight sent viewers running to Letterman in droves, and Leno's now being quietly ushered to the exits, but NBC is hoping Jimmy Fallon can fix things. It's for this same reason "SNL" keeps going on and on and on, much like the Energizer bunny, 35 years after reaching its peak cultural relevance: it makes a shit ton of money.
Thank you R64. Jeez, who ARE these DL'ers who watch this shit? I'm and old frau (52 y/o) and even I don't tune into these cringeworthy, flyover frau-fests in the morning. In fact, I don't watch much TV at all. Haven't for years. I get almost all my news, gossip and media entertainment on-line.
After Conan, Leno brought back the Tonight Show and has made it NO. 1 again despite his haters.
Yes, the Today show and the Tonight show are the only two shows that consistently makes money for NBC. That's why it was so crazy for them to push Leno out for Conan at that time. Conan threatened to walk if he was not installed so NBC panicked and caused a debacle. Now, people are still not sure if having Fallon replace him is the right choice. At least this time they did not force out Leno like before.
Here is the rating for Tonight show. It is still the clear winner.
‘THE Tonight Show,’ ‘LATE NIGHT’ DOMINATE TIMESLOT COMPETITION FOR WEEK OF OCT. 21-25
Leno, Fallon Outperform ABC, CBS Programs in All Key Demo, Total-Viewer Categories
UNIVERSAL CITY, Calif. — Oct. 31, 2013 — NBC’s “The Tonight Show with Jay Leno” and “Late Night with Jimmy Fallon” have dominated the broadcast competition for the late-night ratings week of Oct. 21-25.
The two programs outscored the ABC and CBS competition in their respective time periods in every key ratings category — adults, men and women 18-34, 18-49 and 25-54, plus total viewers. Note that CBS’s lineup was in rebroadcast and Friday’s “Kimmel” was an encore.
“Late Night” generated a 10-month high in viewers 18-49 with 770,000 persons, highest since the show averaged 776,000 during the week of Dec. 17-21, 2012 (the week of “The Voice” finale). “Last Call with Carson Daly” delivered a 13-month high in viewers 18-49 with 477,000 — best since averaging 537,000 during the week of Sept. 3-7, 2012.
Season to date, Leno is off to his biggest start five weeks into a new TV season in three years in 18-49 viewers and total viewers. Fallon is at a four-year high in 18-49 and has generated his biggest overall audience five weeks into a new season in the five years he’s been hosting “Late Night.”
Versus the first five weeks of the year-ago season, Leno is up 13% in 18-49 viewers (with 1.111 million vs. 981,000) and up 9% in total viewers (3.628 million vs. 3.334 million). Fallon is up 25% in 18-49 viewers (791,000 vs. 632,000) so far this season and up 16% in total viewers (1.861 million vs. 1.598 million).
At 1:35 a.m. ET, “Last Call with Carson Daly” is also delivering sizable gains versus the first five weeks of last season, up 21% in 18-49 viewers (434,000 vs. 359,000) and up 11% in total viewers (951,000 vs. 857,000).
“Tonight” has now delivered bigger 18-49 audiences than “Late Show” for the last 49 weeks in a row and topped “Kimmel” for 38 of their 42 head-to-head weeks. In total viewers, Leno has out-delivered “Late Show” for 53 weeks in a row and “Kimmel” for 42 of 42 weeks.
Fallon has now generated bigger 18-49 audiences than “Late Late Show” for 54 of the last 55 weeks and prevailed in total viewers for 51 of the last 53 weeks. Versus “Nightline” in their head-to-head half-hour, Fallon has out-delivered the ABC series for 42 of 42 weeks in viewers 18-49 and 37 of 39 weeks in total viewers.
(According to in-home viewing figures from Nielsen Media Research for the week of Oct. 21-25. Ratings reflect “live plus same day” data from Nielsen Media Research unless otherwise noted. Season-to-date figures are averages of “live plus seven day” data except for the two most recent weeks, which are “live plus same day.”)
11:35 p.m.-12:35 a.m. ET
NBC “Tonight,” 0.9 rating, 4 share
CBS “Late Show,” 0.5/2 *
ABC “Kimmel,” 0.6/3 *
12:35-1:05 a.m. ET
ABC “Nightline,” 0.4/2
12:35-1:35 a.m. ET
NBC “Late Night,” 0.6/4
CBS “Late Late Show,” 0.3/2 *
1:35-2:05 a.m. ET
NBC “Last Call,” 0.4/3 *
11:35 p.m.-12:35 a.m. ET
NBC “Tonight,” 3.7 million viewers
CBS “Late Show,” 2.6 million viewers *
ABC “Kimmel,” 2.5 million viewers *
12:35-1:05 a.m. ET
ABC “Nightline,” 1.5 million viewers
12:35-1:35 a.m. ET
NBC “Late Night,” 1.8 million viewers
CBS “Late Late Show,” 1.4 million viewers *
1:35-2:05 a.m. ET
NBC “Last Call,” 1.0 million viewers *
* “Late Show” and “Late Late Show” were in rebroadcast last week and Friday’s “Last Call” and “Kimmel
[quote]My lover watches the beginning of the show every day, god knows why
Your lover? Really? There are queens who still use that word?
You don't think it's possible, R64, that the bookshelf stereo system might contain an iPod as one of its main components?
What setup are you operating that gives such rich, satisying sound? This I gotta hear.
He told you, R70. Earbuds. Anyone who isn't a clueless aspie knows that it's rude to inflict your music on neighboring cube drones.
r69 At least I got one.
Tomorrow on TODAY, Matt and Al are going to get prostate screenings!
Even my PARENTS are getting their news online these days, so hell has officially frozen over and the morning shows are officially not as popular with the old folks as they used to be. The young folks stopped watching more than a decade ago.
When my parents finally jump on the bandwagon, that says a lot.