- Five episodes left until the break in December, then eight more starting in February 2014.
- Well these first three have been pretty underwhelming although I'm enjoying Carol's new attitude. Is it me or is she looking kind of hot this season?
- POSSIBLE SPOILER
if they follow the comic - carol goes bat shit crazy.
- Well yes R3, but in the comic, she also put the moves on Rick's wife who's now dead. If I remember correctly, Lori's rejection was one of the things that sent her over the edge.
- I told you guys Carol was a lesbian.
But you believe me.
- I am just saying if they follow the comic...not if they follow it exactly or else Andrea would still be alive and Carole would be a zombie.
- I think Carol is attractive. She has a kind of Jamie Lee Curtis thing going on.
- Carol is hot for daaays and I would slurp on that gray rug 'til the zombies came home.
- Zombies. The science guys did an experiment to find out which works better, a machete or a pump-action machine gun against a hoard of zombies.
The machete won. Just FYI.
This upcoming show: will Tyrese and the others get medicine? Will they make it back in time? And was that the first time any show has had 3 black people in a car with one white person?
- I hope Carol goes nuts and takes out Carl, can't stand that little creep
- Why is Walking Dead turning into the Carol show? Are they trying to boost their lesbian audience?
- I'm not saying this is what's going on, but usually on TWD, we get to spend more time with a character before their permanent exist. I really hope they don't kill Carol off, as she's one of the originals, and I just don't give a fuck about all the new people.
- R12 they cannot kill off the only lesbian on the show.
- Bumping for tonight.
Carol reveals her secret!
If she says she is a lesbian, that is the worst kept secret on this show.
- For some reason Carol reminds me of the blond singer in the Indigo Girls.
- Great episode tonight so far.
- i didnt see the coming about Carol.
- What about me????
- I liked the lesbian music playing after Rick ditched Carol.
- What happened?
- Pookie ain't going to be happy
- Chris Jericho sure is a breath of fresh air after that idiot Marilyn Manson on Talking Dead.
- R20: rick and carol went off to scavenge in a local town for medicine, and they encountered some survivors, and there was a big fight and rick got bit. just before he changed carol stabbed him in the head, but not before one of the other people (who had also been killed in the skirmish) ripped her neck open and killed her. the episode ended with carol and the other two crouched over rick, eating him. totally a shocker, but i was glad to see them really mix it up!
- Am I the only one who wants to see Michonne and Daryl fuck?
- I'd like to see Daryl and anyone fuck.
- I think they have Michonne kidding around with Daryl to fill the Carol gap
- r23 u r evil
- I'm not sure if I like this new cunty Carol.
We'll see how things go, but I'm always team Rick.
Most of the time...
- Team Carol on this one.
This show sure doesn't let strong women make a difficult decision without getting punished for it.
- When Carol drove off in the station wagon packed full of shit, I laughed out loud because I couldn't help thinking of DL and Michfest.
- I wonder how Daryl is going to react to Carol's banishment. Same with Hershel. Rick was too harsh on her. Like he's never made a mistake! The fact is those two people were going to fucking die and infect the other people at camp. Rick pissed me the fuck off in this episode.
- So what do we think happened to the hippie couple?
- So how long has it been since it all went bad? Certainly more than a year, right?
These cars are looking in great shape, and starting up well... normally, gas left in a car sitting for a year basically goes bad.
There's no new gas being made. Within a couple of years, there won't be any that could burn in a car and make it go. It's volatile. What didn't evaporate would chemically change to the point where it'd be useless.
I hope they enjoy their time in their cars, it's rapidly coming to an end if they want to remain realistic.
- [quote]So what do we think happened to the hippie couple?
They went off to start a free-range, organic locavore cafe.
- I think Carol made the right call. She is far stronger than Rick, who's a weak, sanctimonious man. Even Carl's judgement is better than his. And don't get me started on that pontificating old turd, Hershel. I'm not sure if it's even possible, but he's become even more annoying than either Dale or Laurie.
- Do you think Daryl should be exposing The Supremes to all of that second hand smoke?
- Is this the last we have seen of Carol?
- R32, the girl is zombie food.
I have no fucking clue what happened to the guy.
Wouldn't it be cool if he was a part of the Gov's new crew?
- Carol's Rainbow Express, r30?
- Did anyone notice all of that hair growing under Carol's arm? It looked like the Black Forest.
- I'm on Carol's side. The two infected people were as good as dead anyway, and Carol wanted to prevent an outbreak, and also a walker infestation of the prison. Of course it didn't work, but Carol had no way of knowing that at the time. Rick was way too harsh on her. And remember the time Rick didn't stop to pick up and save that helpless man who turned into walker chow. Rick is in no position to judge.
- Was that the girl the two zombies were eating that Carol and Rick saw? So they went back to the house and waited for the guy?
Thanks, I had a phone call during the show so could see it but couldn't hear it for a little bit.
- I knew Carol was a goner. Is this a new way of getting rid of regulars, by simply sending them off into the sunset, versus killing them off?
I wish they did that with Shane and Dale and Andrea, so there would have at least been a chance of them returning.
The problem is that the show has become formulaic. Once Carol killed those two people, there was no way she could be redeemed. It was the same thing they did to Shane. Once he killed Otis, he was a "murderer," and thus had to be killed or exiled. Duh.
This season is moving way too slow for me. I just wish they'd move on. I don't know where to... but just MOVE.
Okay, I'm gonna be un-pc here for a moment, but I'm wondering how the black centric storylines will play with the Walking Dead audience.
You just know that tons of doomsday preppers and rednecks watch this show because the thought of any sort of apocalypse sends them into a frenzy.
Until now, the characters have been predominantly white. All of a sudden, you have Darryl in a car with three black people.
I wonder how this will play with the audience?
The American viewing public is very fickle. Once they sense the show is getting "off track," they'll start tuning out.
Race of no race, all i know is that the show had better pick up speed, or I think that for the first time since season one, the show will begin to lose viewers.
There's only so much the loyal fans will put up with, before we start tuning out. I'm really disappointed that four episodes in, and they survivors haven't made very much progress.
WTF is going on with this show? The premiere started out so hopeful.
- The murder mystery would have been much better, spending the year trying figure out whodidit, while killing the zombies.
- btw Walking Dead is the TV adaptation of the film 28 Days Later.
Cillian Murphy played Rick, who declined to reprise his role in the TV version.
- The guy with the dislocated shoulder was played by out actor, Robin Taylor.
- Only certain characters (and never women) get to be redeemed on this show.
Carol took care of 2 potentially lethal sick people, but Carl gets a pass from Rick for shooting a surrendering teenager at point blank range.
- Can someone explain to me about the surviving couple in last night's episode.
Was it that a walker chased them in a bedroom, and they locked themselves in there until Rick and Carol came along?
That is the only part I didn't understand.
- [quote]I hope they enjoy their time in their cars, it's rapidly coming to an end if they want to remain realistic
You as opposed to the realism of having the dead re-animated and eating people? Ok then.
- I think Carol will be forming an alliance with the Governor.
- WOW - REALLY fucked up that Rick somehow gets to be judge and jury and uses Carol to get supplies then kicks her out of the car. Carol should have told him to go fuck himself and drive back to the prison, or just knock him off right there.
Rick's got a murderous kid, he's a murderer himself. And instead of there being a storyline to redeem Carol or working it out, he banishes her from his prison gang while out on a supply run?!? That's really fucked up.
Also - WHY do we NEVER see people driving trucks or Jeeps, etc.? They could hold much more supplies, run over walkers, hold more people, be more protective.. yet the entire fucking group runs around in lame Japanese value vehicles or motorcycles.
Has anyone else noticed this? Why wouldn't at least Daryl have a pickup or Jeep??!
- The show made a sponsorship deal with Hyundai. So they won't be driving any competitors cars around.
- Carol leaving is just to align herself with the Governor down the line.
Mark my words, they will be a team come mid-season.
- [quote] Rick's got a murderous kid, he's a murderer himself. And instead of there being a storyline to redeem Carol or working it out, he banishes her from his prison gang while out on a supply run?!? That's really fucked up.
To be fair, I think Rick did it to save her life. Tyrese is a nutjob, and if he ever found out that Carol killed his girlfriend, he would (without a doubt) have killed Carol.
Rick knew it was either banish her, or start a war inside the prison, with Carol inevitably being killed.
It was the smart thing to do, on Rick's part. Carol, however, may have other ideas. I agree she might side with the Governor to get her girls back.
- Rick could have kept his mouth shut.
He owes Carol that much for what happened to her daughter.
- So R54, Rick picked Tyrese and his rage over Carol, the established character who's been forced to harden herself and did what she did to save the group?
That's even more fucked up. Almost as fucked up as us being forced to accept that in the zombie apocalypse people only drive Hyundais.
This show is on it's way out.
- r45 uh no - it's an adaptation of the comic The Walking Dead.
Why Rick sent Carol away. Rick gave up leadership of the group. He had to. He saw that Carl was becoming a cold killer based on how Rick made his decisions. After losing Laurie, his ground to reality he went nuts. Giving up leadership, taking guns away from Carl was he way of getting sane again.
First Carl tells him Carol is teaching children how to kill, then he sees her out alone, fixing the water flow as zombies approach, he knows. She has no regard for her life. He figures out she killed the infected. At some point he realizes Carol is too far gone. She is bad for the group and has to go. He can kill her, but he finds another way. He sends her away and with that he takes the leadership role again. Carole had to go.
- Okay again this Carol banishment is for plotline purposes.
She will align with the Governor and be even more hardened.
- R57 the movie came first, then the comic book and finally the TV show.
Cillian Murphy originated the part of Rick in the film.
- Carol has no idea who the governor is. She never met him. More than likely if she does come back we will find here at the next big encampment they get to (after woodbury/prison in the comic they get to another town - the governor died in the comics though as did Carole..she fed herself to the zombies.)
- I have a theory that Carol did not murder the 2 people. The little girl in the infirmary is the killer and Carol was covering for her. I guess we'll know if the murders continue.
- I loved the episode, as I love the ones that deal more with interpersonal dynamics than just zombie pounding action type episodes. Crazy Lizzie calling Carol "Mom" was a nice nod to the comic, I think. Daryl giving Bob Stookey the visual beat down was great, and I agree that Carol got the boot to keep her from being made mincemeat of by Tyrese and the others. Sucks, 'cause I love Carol's character development much better than the book's depiction of her.
- [quote] Carol has no idea who the governor is.
Which is even better. She doesn't know until Rick tells her when their paths cross!
By then she is intertwined with the Governor, and they will be a duo.
no..the creator and writer of the walking dead himself says it is not based on 28 days later , his book came first. 28 days was released in june first issue of walking dead came out in oct, but lead time on comics is months. Kirkman (the writer) says he was working on the second book when he saw 28 days later.
- [quote] 28 days was released in june first issue of walking dead came out in oct
Which just proves my point.
Walking Dead was based on the film 28 days later.
- Not when the creator says it was not. You are stating things as fact when the people who actually wrote and produced these things say it is not.
- The facts are the facts. The movie 28 days came out first, then the comic book, then the TV show.
- But the walking dead is not baed on the movie 28 days later....
The 90-minute episode featured similarities in style and substance to films such as Danny Boyle's '28 Days Later', however, the original writer plays down concerns surrounding the show's originality, insisting his books came first. In an interview with Entertainment Weekly, Kirkman said, "I saw 28 Days Later shortly before the first issue of Walking Dead was released. That first issue came out in October of 2003 and 28 Days Later was released in the States in June of 2003. So we were working on our second issue by the time I saw it", before adding, "Yeah. It was a little annoying. But great minds think alike, right". Kirkman, who also wrote the 'Invincible', 'Ultimate X-Men', and 'Marvel Zombies' comic books, denied rumours that one of the zombies in the pilot episode was played by Jim Carey, saying, "It's not Jim Carrey at all. And dammit, most days I remember that guy's name. He's a great guy".
- Again, WHY would Carole have to go because of Tyrese's black man rage? Why would it fucking matter if Tyrese is violent and would want to kill her? Fuck Tyrese. He's an irritation and should be killed off ASAP. Carole was an established character who, in many ways, was a hero to both the group and the audience.
Using the "Tyrese will kill you" shit is just that, bullshit. Where the fuck did Tyrese come from that would make the retainment and banishment of core cast members all about him?
That's bullshit. The show is already getting both too dark and too stupid. I'll record it but it's become a chore to watch live at this point. I'm out.
- Danny Boyle should get a piece of the pie of Walking Dead, since they ripped off his idea.
There should be a disclaimer saying 'Based on the Movie 28 Days by Danny Boyle'
The movie and the TV show even starts out the same!
- How many episodes before the winter break?
- Oops, just saw R1 comment re the break.
- Could Melissa McBride be a cancer survivor?
- [quote]The show made a sponsorship deal with Hyundai. So they won't be driving any competitors cars around.
Love my Hyundai Sonata!
- [quote]Tyrese is a nutjob
I'll say! Wearing a knit cap in the heat of summer.
- [quote]Danny Boyle should get a piece of the pie of Walking Dead, since they ripped off his idea
And George Romero should get a piece of everyone's pie since he invented the flesh eating zombie.
- R70 = DL's resident xenophobic Brit troll.
- I don't get those defending what Carol did? If her killing Karen and David was a good thing, then why isn't anyone killing Glenn, Sasha and all the rest who are infected and could infect the children and those who aren't sick? Karen and David had been isolated fro everyone else, so it's not like they were going around coughing on things ad shit. Carol turned on her own. Rick didn't, he defended himself against fucking hot Shane.
I hope Carol doesn't team up with the governor, that'd be too predictable. I hope they do something interesting with her though. Her character has become really good this season.
Also, I don't think Tyrese would've killed her. When he said that, he thought a man had done it.
- I'm sick of Tyreese.
- Rick went to great lengths to explain that others at the prison would not trust her...and that he wouldn't trust her.
I thought he actually did a good thing by letting her go. He would have had to kill her if he didn't to keep the peace.
I wonder if he will tell the group the truth or say walkers got her.
Either way...Darryl is going to be a mess.
- Well, hello Chris Jericho! Loved him on "Talking Dead" last night. So smart. So funny. So hot. He delivered a master class on the episode. LOL. His dissertation on the whole holding on vs letting go theme had even the host in awe.
I'm with those who think Tyreese is a very weak link. Needy, indecisive, suicidal. The three secondary black characters all have problems. Tyreese (see above). Bob is an alkie. Tyreese's sister Sasha got the balls in the family, but now she's also got the virus.
I, too, think Carol will wind up in some sort of alliance with the Governor, but will also end up killing him (and she will die in the process) in an act of redemption.
- I suspect Carol is already at the Michigan Womyn's Music Festival nursing a Bud.
- [quote] Could Melissa McBride be a cancer survivor?
She sported the same look in "The Mist" (2007) which Darabont directed.
- Where's the governor? Where's that voice they found on the radio station in the car? Where's the ten thousand zombies they ran into on the highway? Why didn't the squirrels eat those fucking tomatoes???
Getting a little sick of storylines just hanging, in lieu of underwhelming attempts at shock, i.e. letting Carol go after he had her work her shift all day scraping up supplies and picking fruit.
- [quote]I have a theory that Carol did not murder the 2 people. The little girl in the infirmary is the killer and Carol was covering for her. I guess we'll know if the murders continue.
I buy this. When the killings first occurred, the girl was the first suspect that came to my mind. She was present when Carol did it to her father and she may be reenacting it, either out of psychological trauma or a notion that it is the correct thing to do. It also dovetails neatly with the controversy over Carol teaching the children how to use knives.
- Seriously, it would be fun if Carol ran into a group of surviving lesbians, we are a very people practical after all.
I'll bet a group of Southern gay ladies could kick some ass.
I hate the "Carol is a lesbian trope" but I love thinking of that script.
And wouldn't it be interesting if there was a surviving group of gay men? What would that be like?
- Fuck this show. Fuck the writers/producers. Fuck Rick, fuck Tyrese fuck all the new people no one gives two shits about.
- This show is ready for B.E.T.
- [quote] Darryl is going to be a mess.
Once you black, you never go back.
They are going to team him up with the black chick.
- I just watched episode two and I think Daryl was more upset about Zack than the girl was.
Was the kid who was killed the same one that was trying to guess Daryl's occupation pre-walker? I love subtle flirting (hero worship, admiration, whatever) like that.
- I love the idea of Michfest being a stronghold of womyn survivors. That would be a great idea for a spinoff show. So many new rules, regulations and work duty assignments in a zombie holocaust!
- I told you guys Carol was a lesbian.
But did you believe me?
- If this Michfest-Zombie idea were to take off do you think the womyn could use the walker men as sperm donors? just a thought.
I believed you Anita!
- Kick me off
- R85, did you miss the whole flashback showing Carol committing the murders alone? She's not covering for anyone. She did it and owned up to Rick about it.
- R96, was that Carol's flashback or Rick imagining what happened?
Don't think the 2 creepy kids did it - too small to drag those bodies.
- [quote]I love the idea of Michfest being a stronghold of womyn survivors.
Sharpen those canes, ladies! A blunt tip won't pierce walker skull.
- Topless, floppy-tittied womyn with crewcuts and horn-rimmed glasses, piercing walker heads with their razor-sharp canes, and then arguing about the food for the potluck dinner.
- Let's pretend the we are at the Michfest for the darkness.
I am Carol's hair.
- This season is starting to feel very much like season 2, VERY slow.
I LOVE that Daryl went on a meds run with three black people. I can't imagine the Daryl from the first few seasons doing something like that.
- Troll-dar reveals R88 is a real fucking idiot. Also, he's a racist.
- Fuck. I was sick all day yesterday and totally forgot to watch it.
- All the people claiming Walking Dead ripped off 28 Days Later are suffering from blinding stupidity (and this is from someone for whom 28 Days Later is amongst my favourite films).
Both The Walking Dead and 28 Days Later's opening sequences were inspired by the opening sequence of Day of the Triffids. Go watch/read it of you don't believe me.
It's a fucking homage, jesus.
Otherwise John Wyndham's estate would be suing the shit out of both.
- R96, those were not flashbacks. That was Rick imagining what might've happened after Carol confessed.
- Steven Yeun (Glenn) looks like he has gained a bit of weight. Notice his face.
- Speaking of Day of the Triffids, the BBC did a two-part miniseries adaptation about 3 or 4 years ago that was pretty good. I think you can find it online.
- R105, they were flashbacks. I forgot if I heard it on Talking Dead, but yeah, one o the producers said those were actual flashbacks. In the show, they didn't clarify it though...
It's pretty obvious that Carol did do it. It makes a much better story than her covering up for two little girls.
I wonder if daryl will take up searching for her like he kinda did with Merle?
- R96, if the producer said they were flashbacks then that's another thing the writers/producers fucked up. We should be able to tell what they intended instead of having to tune in to the TD to find out what actually happened.
This show is just so sloppily written/executed that it's hardly even worth bothering to speculate on anything on the show.
- R96, there were no producers on "Talking Dead" last night. So maybe you can clarify your source?
- [quote] I'm sick of Tyreese.
Me too. I don't like how his character is portrayed. The same with Michonne.
From my understanding of the comic book, people were so psyched about the introduction of Michonne, because she was supposed to be this awesome badass chick.
However, the character simply didn't translate into the show, and I think that's due to either bad casting or bad writing.
Likewise, people really were fans of Tyrese in the comic book, but in the television show, we absolutely loathe him. Writing him as the one-dimensional "angry black man" is just so predictable.
I'm really confounded as to why the characters in the comic book just don't translate into the tv show.
[quote] Steven Yeun (Glenn) looks like he has gained a bit of weight. Notice his face.
He looks just as he did in season one, which is probably his normal weight.
It was in the middle seasons that he started to lose weight, especially last season, where he appeared shirtless a few times. He looked pretty ripped.
I'm guessing that it was too hard to maintain that workout routine, and I don't blame him. I think he looks good.
- Funny, I go on LOTS of walking dead boards and this is the only one where the constant criticism about too many black characters come on. Funny, how liberal gays always tend to be racist and not even own u to it.
- [The guy with the dislocated shoulder was played by out actor, Robin Taylor.]
Not a very good actor because he couldn't pull off straight to save his life....
- it's sad how fast this show is slipping... so much promise after the first season.
- I had thought Robin Taylor was going to be our new gay male character but it looks as if he disappeared. Was he really trying to play a straight guy? He wasn't passing.
- They always do this to the women on the show before they die, ugh. They made Lori a whore, then she dies. They made Andrea stupid, then she dies. Now Carol's a murderer, any guesses on what will happen?
- [quote]Not a very good actor because he couldn't pull off straight to save his life....
It was never established that the Greenhouse Kids were a couple, just that they were roaming together.
[quote]Carol has no idea who the governor is.
Of course she does. She was at the prison when the Governor attacked. She knows all about him and Woodbury. She might know exactly what he looks like but it's safe to say that she's been given a description by those who have seen him.
- This is not the last of Carol, she just got in the main credits. Also from interviews of the creators they are hinting about surprises with her in the future.
- What did the message on the car radio say two episodes ago?
- Again was the Greenhouse couple chased into that bedroom by the Walker?
And that is why they were up there for two days?
- AGAIN, R120, NOBODY fucking knows.
Get some help for your idiocy and attention problems.
- The Greenhouse couple never explained why they were in the house, locked upstairs?
- The Greenhouse couple did give some excuse for being upstairs. Something like they were afraid of the walker.
I do wonder if the guy from the couple will not turn up again. It was odd that a body was never found while they showed the female.
Perhaps him and Daryl will have a future together.
- [quote] It was never established that the Greenhouse Kids were a couple, just that they were roaming together.
It was heavily implied the way he was rubbing her back. Watch it again...
- Was I the only one who went "yeah daddy" when Daryl went gangster and got all up in Bob the alkie's face?
- R118, maybe Carol becomes a cannibal herself (yeah right) in order to survive. You know, since she's now learned that she has to do what she has to do in order to survive no matter how repugnant. I know in the comics, there's a gang of cannibals.
- That lady with the husband's head in the bag -- didn't Rick just leave her after she killed herself? I never saw him destroy the skull. Is she still walking around now?
(After the episode I thought back and laughed at her line "you call them walkers?" because her husband wasn't walking anywhere!)
- I want just once . for Amy Poler dressed as Katlin to come out screaming RICK RICK RICK>>>>
- r128 I can totally picture that in my head and it made me laugh.
- Steven Yuen was just carjacked!
- I am so fucking pissed at how Rick treated Carol. What a hypocritical fuckwad!
If I were her, I would've just climbed in the back of the car and said "fuck you, douchebag!"
Or, at the very least, ran over him when I turned around in the cul-de-sac (and what a great coincidence that Rick parked in one!).
I have watched this show since day one, despite the boredom of season 2 and the stupidity of season 3, but eliminating the only interesting female may just be the incentive I need to stop watching this fucking abortion.
Scott Gimple is a fucking asshole!
- Young Andrew Lincoln. Big hair, a unibrow and some JACKED teeth.
- [quote] but eliminating the only interesting female may just be the incentive I need to stop watching this fucking abortion.
Carol didn't get killed off. Just sent away, and she is not off the canvas. She will resurface.
- Holy shit @ R132's pic - kill it!
- I am not sure it came across well on screen but I believe the writers were trying to show Carole had lost regard for life even hers. Rick recognized it and sent her away because he knew either she had to pay for what she did or it would split the group. Sending her away was being kind for all the went through. Both Carole and Rick knew that Rick had to do something about what Carole did. Either kill her, hand her over to Tyrese or what he chose to do, save her by sending her away.
- Doctor has the zombie red eyes... Hershel get the hell out of there.
- I am afraid Hershel is going to die tonight
- Or will it be Glen?
- disappointing lack of Daryl so far on tonight's episode
- Bye Glen?
- No, Glen survives.
- Okay, why are the walkers over a few episodes just swarming the fences? At first there were a few but tonight it was in a swarm. Surely a few rats wouldn't do that. I noticed the Governor at the end of the episode so I'm wondering if he's been drawing them to the prison.
- Dun Dun Dun.... the Governor
- R104 is right on , read "Day of the Triffids " more than just the opening sequence is an homage..Great read !
- I guess a disease is one way to thin the herd again and pare it back down to most of the originals--minus Carol of course. I liked the doctor--sorry to see him go.
They gotta get the fuck out of that prison and get a new locale. And The Governor looks ot be all alone? Did he not bring some people with him after he shot most of them last season?
- Two of his soldiers left with him but they saw him shoot the others. He should probably solo.
- I'm more than ready for them to leave the prison, but AMC spent a fortune on that set and they're squeezing every last dime out of it.
- That Maggie is getting butcher by the day. I think she is the new Carol.
- Are Flesh-Eating Zombies the Future of Television?
National Public Radio seems to think so.
- LOL at r148, I always thought Glen was a bit scared of Maggie kicking his ass
- Zombies are the new stand in for commies/nazis/aliens/muslim terrorists.
- Was this Hershel's big episode before they off him?
Never liked the character in the second season, but if they kill him off, I know I'll shed some tears.
- And did Hershel give up on God in this episode?
- I'm over this shit. The white guilt of the producers is obnoxious when they ax an original character because they don't want the violent black guy to be violent. So, let's KEEP him, and sacrifice the woman the audience has connected with the last few years.
Yeah, that makes sense. ....Between that and the overbearing doom and gloom and violence, I don't think I can watch anymore. It's just too much.
- [quote]overbearing doom and gloom and violence,
What did you expect in a drama set in an apocalypse?
- Carol will return in the next episode.
- White guilt?
Fuck off, r154.
- Hershel gets around good for a peg leg!
- I noticed that too! I like Hershel. I hope they don't kill him off. They can kill Maggie and Glen instead.
- I was a little disappointed that one of the main characters didn't die this episode. I love Glen and Hershel, but it seems like one of them, or even Sasha, should have been killed last night. The more they try to protect the main cast, the less exciting the show becomes for me.
- Sasha I would have had no problem losing, maybe Glen too. But leave my Hershel alone.
- "Funny, how liberal gays always tend to be racist and not even own u to it."
Funny, how you blame "liberal gays" for what a clearly not liberal racist asshole posts. Agenda much?
Meanwhile, I'm F&Fing all the racist posts on this and other threads.
- Get a fucking life, r162.
- I used to intently watch this show, but this season I find myself having it playing in the background while doing stuff on my iPad. I finally decided to delete my season pass. I can deal with shallow (I'm loving American Horror Story this season) and I can deal with slow pacing (I'm loving Boardwalk Empire this season) but I can't deal with both at the same time. This is like an imitation of a good show. Life's too short.
- R164, I don't know what you're talking about. This is the best season since the first... it's anything but slow, or shallow. It's intense!
- what I don't get is, Michone figured out if cut out their jaws and arms and chain them you can walk among the zombies, that they don't notice you with the pets around...so why not use that tactic now?
- I missed this last episode and I don't care.
Could be the shark has been jumped.
- Exactly, R166.
So many great ideas and possibilities, and instead they do... nothing.
When Carol went out to the little creek to clean out the water hose, she set up some kind of perpetual-motion bicycle thing to distract the zombies. Why the hell don't they use that more often?!?
And instead of pushing against the fence to hold off the zombies, why don't they try leading them to another section of fence? Let Hershel's blonde daughter walk along the fence with the yummy tender baby, leading the zombies like the friggin' Pied Piper.
And while yeah, I agree that they really shouldn't throw molotovs at the zombies for fear of lighting the forest on fire, when it's that or be overrun and killed...?
- Oh, and like Adam Savage said on Talking Dead, why not get some big piece of machinery and dig a trench between the two sets of fences?
Or, hell, just get a bulldozer or road paver and smash those fuckers!
- Isn't it hypocritical to be racist and gay 154? I thought this was Datalounge....
- They seem to have plenty of fuel why not douse them in fuel and burn the masses at the fence? They are dead rotting corpses they should burn easily. And it is not like they will run away - they don't feel pain they just head towards you.
The other thing - when Shane was killed and Rick and his son were walking back - there was a massive zombie hoard running after them - what ever happened to the running zombies??
- I still think they missed a pretty story line last season with that whole tea business. I would have like to have know if the Gov was keeping the citizenry sedated.
- I have finally caught up with TWD series - watched the entire series in just the last two weeks (whew!). My only wish is for Daryl to have hot, steamy sex with someone - anyone. Even Norman Reedus would like his character to get it on with Michonne.
- how many more times can i watch zombies getting jabbed in the head? yes please on some squirrel hunter sex R173
- LOVING this governor episode. humanizes him, but i also think he will do something awful too, just as we start to feel for him.
i can't look at rick or tyrese or any of the prison people another minute, so this is a treat!
- Is governor going to get his fuck on? I am worried for this family as we know he is a psycho.
- I am bored to tears with this episode!
Governor is on The Talking Dead too...
- Great episode. And finally a gay person!
- I liked the more sympathetic governor, but I guess he's back to his bad old ways next episode.
- Eh, don't like this governor storyline. This episode is tremendously ho-hum. imho.
- Governor is kinda sexy on Talking Bad
- He was on a Dr. Who - the guy who thought he was the doctor. sexier with his english accent.
- Who's gay? The sister? I guess we wait for Carol's Rainbow Express to pull up for her now. Hope there's still room at DART.
- I'm a fan of the show. I've seen shows I really, really liked and few I thought sucked.
This is the first one I thought was just plain boring.
- This ep was pretty boring.
- I prefer character development over zombie killing so I liked this episode. I was tense the whole time worrying he would hurt the family.
- The Governor with a beard looks like Kris Kristofferson.
- This whole episode felt rather self-indulgent on the writer's part.
- I missed the first part,was Talking Dead dedicated to Chris's dad?
- Yeah, Chris Hardwick said at the end of Talking Dead his Dad, Billy, died suddenly yesterday.
- Meh, this episode was ok. Kinda dull, but some promising ideas.
I loved that his lieutenants left his psycho ass as soon as they could! First smart thing those assholes did.
- I'm pretty sure the Governor's getting too attched to the kid, and he's gonna refuse to give her back, resulting in tragedy.
- We don't know if the sisters survived the walkers. One was hobbling and the other was helping her so there is a good chance they didn't survive. So maybe there won't be any conflict with the governor keeping the little girl.
- [quote] Eh, don't like this governor storyline. This episode is tremendously ho-hum. imho.
[quote] This whole episode felt rather self-indulgent on the writer's part.
I'd have to agree with this. However, the actor who plays The Governor is fantastic. I found all of his scenes in this one episode, to be far more compelling than all the others combined, since the beginning of the season.
I felt a range of emotions, from suspense, regret, empathy, disgust, fear, humor, and much more, just from his acting. It's weird, but he can act circles around all the others.
I guess the show is going to have different storylines take place at the same time, and at some point have them converge.
I'm guessing Carol will be in the former Woodbury encampment.
[quote] We don't know if the sisters survived the walkers.
The previews showed them both in the next episode, so I guess they survived.
This season is really moving at a snail's pace. That's what happens when you kill off all the main characters on a popular show.
You have to slow it down, in order to retain the familiar characters you DO have. If you kill them off, then you don't have a show.
At this point, the only original cast members are Rick, Carl, Glenn, Daryl, and Carol. Hershel, Maggie, and her sister are from season two, so they're "veteran" enough.
I think the producers know that you can't get rid of these people, or there won't BE a show.
- [quote] He was on a Dr. Who - the guy who thought he was the doctor. sexier with his english accent.
That was the Governor? I had no idea, definitely going to have to go back and rewatch. That was both a fun & sad episode.
Also, I rather liked this episode. It was a nice change of pace. Apparently they always planned to do stand alone episodes like the story of the guy who ended up in the tank with Rick in Atlanta.
- I kept waiting for him to go nuts and kill everyone.
- They need to cut Talking Dead back to 30 minutes. Not enough to talk about and getting too be too much fanboy.
- At this point, it's just getting old. How much misery can people continue to tune-in for each week?
They could liven-up the show if they went back, had a special episode or even two-part episode explaining how it all began..
YES! I know it isn't talked about in the comics, but this is television. Why couldn't they take some creative license and go into the background of either how it was caused or at least have an entire episode of how it started even if they don't explain the cause? That would be both brilliant and interesting.
Otherwise, all we're left with if fucked up people, dying and desperate people and lots of gore. That's only entertaining for so long. The show feels slow and tired now and not a bit interesting.
- What they should have done is stay in the apartment. Have the Governor and sister go through the building and kill all the walkers, and then dump their bodies outside.
After unloading that truck in the apartment building, demolish the stairs on the first floor.
They could grow veggies on the roof and put out buckets for rain water.
- Same here, r186. I liked this episode. The Governor has done some fucked up things but I still like him better than self-righteous Rick at times. The ending of this episode was brilliant. In the preview for next week it looks like Martinez lets him and the new "family' stay. He says he's in charge and everybody pulls their weight. One of the sisters is a nurse and the other has Police Academy training so they are assets. And we all know how well Philip is at multi-tasking. I wonder if the big shocker is that Carol is now at Martinez' camp and doesn't know who Philip is and Martinez goes along with keeping the Gov's secret. To be honest, I was glad to get away from the doom and gloom of the flu story line at the prison. I wasn't bored in the least by this episode. Morrissey is a charismatic guy.
- I wanted to add that he has a great sense of humor, too. He said that he's happy when the fans come up to him and tell him how much they "hate" him. He tells them "thank you very much". He loves being on the show and glad that the fans are at least invested in the character enough to hate him. Like r194 said, Morrisey acts circles around most of the regular cast.
- TV Guide interview with the Gov
- But couldn't they just do an episode showing the initial outbreak and how society fell apart?
- Another episode that I can miss. Just reading the recaps to stay up on the storyline.
- I'm sure we'll see how the zombie virus (or whatever the hell it is) started in the final season, whenever that may be. I imagine they'll be saving that big reveal for the very end of the series.
- They should just get on an abandoned cruise ship and stay in the middle of the ocean.
- Again another episode that makes no sense. The sister and girl are safe where they are - have survived for months (we know it has been at least a year since the out break because look how old lil ass kicker is and she was conceived and born after the zombies.) yet they decide it is time to leave rather than stay where they have been safe for a year....
- I like the show but it's stale as others have noted. And basic reasoning and common sense by the audience has begun to have an impact on everyone's ability for suspending disbelief.
Too many people are asking things like R206 and R207 and you can only ignore those things for so long. Why WOULD the governor and the women get on the road, with only one vehicle, with a small child, when they've been reasonably safe where they are?
Why wouldn't the prison folks have taken over Woodbury or some other small down and begun making a life?
Add all that to the fact the show is a major downer, especially for a Sunday night and it gets hard to keep wanting to be a fan, though I still am at this point.
- As I said in an earlier post, picking up on R207 point. All they would have to do is demolish the stairs on the first floor. And they would be safe.
They have the roof to grow veggies and place buckets to collect rainwater for water.
They have a whole warehouse full of food to last them a decade or longer.
No reason for them to leave.
- I think Morrisey is sexy as hell. He played Col. Brandon in a British tv production of Sense and Sensibility. He looks great in period clothing. The whole time Marianne Dashwood was ignoring him for the loser I was thinking "you stupid bitch, you got a man like that who wants you and you go for some little, punk shithead."
- [quote] I think Morrisey is sexy as hell.
Go download Basic Instinct 2
- Yay or nay on the sexy, r211?
- YAY ALL THE WAY R212
He worked out like a madman to prepare for the explicit sex scenes with Sharon Stone.
- Funny...people complaining that a series about a zombie apocolypse is too dark and depressing. What were you expecting, showgirls??
And yes, vote "sexy" for the gov'nah.
- I Vote no on leaving the apartment.
Where are they going?
Also, I'm glad to see lesbian younguns retain the power to annoy.
Power bump? Geez.
- I believe it's been about two years since the zombie outbreak.
And personally, I would've hauled ass to a barrier island instead of staying on the mainland.
David Morrissey is in fantastic shape for an older guy.
- [quote] David Morrissey is in fantastic shape for an older guy.
If you download Basic Instinct 2, you'll see just how great in shape he is.
- I hope I'm wrong, but I wonder if the Gov will take the survivors to the prison and ask Rick to thak them in?
Of course, Rick will!
- OMG! This show is just too depressing. I get it. it's the zombie apocalypse but does it always have to be so dark? So repetitive?
Like Glee. I't s always about singing! Ugh, I get it, why do they have to shove it down my throat every damn episode? Same with regular music, why someone gotta be singing the whole time? I'm too hip for music must be...
Can't even watch porn either! That's always the same too. I get it, you like to fuck but do yo have to shove it my face every two seconds? And the porn industry is shady and USES their models! They're all horrible beings and I am better than they are! Now let me go watch and support more porn! How else am I suppose to throw a fit about it?!
Life is so tough.
R207, you're wrong. They followed him because TWD writers don't like women, so they're always dependent of men. The mother is in lust, the sister thinks of him as a cool bro and is useless even though she first came off as tough. With their father dead, it made sense these sheltered women needed a new man to guide them. And Phillip makes a much better alpha male than a man in a wheel chair.
Still, I get it, the show is full of plotholes. It's not a smart show like Breaking Bad, but it is a fun fantasy one that delivers to those who like watching spooky, depressing, dark things. And what you say it's depressing, but I say it's positive cause despite all the death and sadness, I still see lots of beauty in some scenes. That to me says that life is tough, but still worth it. Maybe if you weren't so negative yourselves, you'd see that.
And please do stop the bitching. I don't like musicals so I don't like Glee. The fact I don't like Glee means I don't know anything about it. I have never been to a Glee message board complaining about how much I dislike musicals. It's no the slightest bit difficult. Really.
- I do hope Carol is on the road celebrating her lesbianism.
- r203, I would like that too
- Oh please R219. I love the zombie genre and I think WWD has become awful, redundant, and stupid. I can take depressing, but not stupid.
[quote]And personally, I would've hauled ass to a barrier island instead of staying on the mainland.
Have you ever seen the remake of Dawn of the Dead? That didn't work out too well for those survivors - see below.
- That would be nice R203. Maybe we even get to see some of the now dead castmembers.
- No more kids please. First stupid Carl and then the annoying Lizzie. Now they foist another snotnosed brat on us. Ugh.
- If you were a decent looking alpha male in the ZA who could protect and provide, you'd have the women hanging off you. So many women who would want to hook up with you to have you take care of them.
- I like Meaghan. She's no dummy. And she's a lot cuter than Lizzie and fairly normal considering the circumstances. She can stay.
- Daryl and Rick are sexy alpha males. How come we never see any women hanging off them?
- Rick was married and Daryl extremely detached from women. Look at Shane, first Lori and then Andrea gave him a spin.
- Lori's been dead for months and Rick stopped fucking her after he found out about Shane. He's got to be horny as hell by now.
- I swear I watched a video game last night.
- Shows up; gets massive info dump by sitting next to people
- Gets sent on quests where he finds random objects
- Leaves on mission where he must protect one person
And it was about as fun as sitting and watching someone else play a video game.
- [quote]Why wouldn't the prison folks have taken over Woodbury or some other small down and begun making a life?
Well, two things: The prison was perceived as a lot safer and easier to defend, and The Governor burned down Woodbury.
- I would be glad to satisfy Rick's needs, after he took a good shower first though.
- God help me, I found the Governor sexy when he was getting it on with that chick.
Does anybody else hear Conan saying "Hello Governor" in a bad British accent?
- [quote] They need to cut Talking Dead back to 30 minutes. Not enough to talk about and getting too be too much fanboy.
They won't. The execs at AMC have discovered that by extending Talking Dead to one hour, they can fill it with commercials, advertising, and product placement!
I can't stand Talking Dead anymore. Brought to you by Hyundai! Brought to you by Subway! Brought to you by Blue Moon! It's like you can't go five minutes on Talking Dead, without being forced to listen to some sort of advertising. It's unwatchable now.
[quote] The sister and girl are safe where they are - have survived for months (we know it has been at least a year since the out break because look how old lil ass kicker is and she was conceived and born after the zombies.) yet they decide it is time to leave rather than stay where they have been safe for a year....
Don't you get it, Mary? THE LADY WANTS COCK! Andrea wanted cock! Lori wanted cock! In Walking Dead world, all ladies want cock!
Unless, of course, they're Michonne or Carol, in which case they want PUSSY!
[quote] I do hope Carol is on the road celebrating her lesbianism.
Well at least she must know that she can finally get married to another woman in the state of Georgia. Free at last!
- [quote]In Walking Dead world, all ladies want cock!
The male writers thought when they showed Andrea in a thong we would cheer. Instead we jeered. They are clueless.
- R219 isn't nearly as clever as she thinks she is.
- [quote]Don't you get it, Mary? THE LADY WANTS COCK! Andrea wanted cock! Lori wanted cock!
Yeah, and look where that got them.
- Sunday night's episode was the worst one ever. I love Walking Dead, but that episode ate bad cooch.
- [quote]I swear I watched a video game last night.
Bingo! Brilliantly put. This show is a video game and the fans flock to it for the same reasons.
The plots are (perhaps necessarily) repetitive and numbing. And all this talk about "character development" is just blather. There isn't an ounce of content on this show beyond skulls going *squish*. Quiet, actory moments and desaturated cinematography just make people think they're watching something with depth; it justifies their bloodlust. It makes themselves feel good about watching dozens of heads explode every Sunday.
- Sad about Chris Harwick's dad.
- Strange that on TD, seconds before Chris Hardwick announced his dad's death, he said that his mom would totally do the actor playing the Governor.
- Please tell me you're joking R241.
R200 I think you're on to something. I forgot that Carol has never actually seen the Governor, only except MAYBE to know via Michonne that he's missing an eye. Likewise the Governor wouldn't know that Carol is from the prison group, and that's not something she's going to share with her new companions (I.e. that she was kicked out). Like the Governor, she'll create a fake backstory for herself.
What would be really interesting to watch is Carol and the Governor forming a kinship, with shared ideas for leading the community, and raising the young survivors.
- Was that last episode about the Gov. set after Woodbury? For some reason, when I watched it, I thought it was going back in time to before he became the Gov.
- No it was set in the current time. The Gov. lost his eye when Michonne gave him a beat-down in the aquarium with all the walker heads.
- they're still so very soft at the prison. they should be all sparta-like.
- [quote]What they should have done is stay in the apartment. Have the Governor and sister go through the building and kill all the walkers, and then dump their bodies outside.
THIS. For fuck's sake. For all the Gov has seen — he should know that three people and a kid on the ROAD is insane. Why didn't he talk her out of it. Why didn't he understand the value of a safe haven? He's seen the hoards. He knows how hard it is to find supplies, food, basic health aids. And surprise surprise, a twisted ankle at just the right time sends them off on the edge.
[quote]One of the sisters is a nurse and the other has Police Academy training so they are assets.
Didn't she lie about the police academy?
[quote]They have the roof to grow veggies and place buckets to collect rainwater for water.They have a whole warehouse full of food to last them a decade or longer.
This is a good idea, only the roof may not be made to hold that much weight. And storing food is an art in itself. This is another aspect of the show where the time seems way off. HOW LONG has it been exactly?
You're telling me four people survived the whole time on ONE Truck of food???
Hasn't it been long enough that people would begin to think of and research larger survival issues? If you didn't know anything about storing food — wouldn't you be trying to figure it out- find a book on it, find jars, canning supplies, etc? This whole show we've seen people lost LIVEs over a bag of GUNS. Whereas I'd be searching the other apartments for books on [italic]urban gardening[/italic] and [italic]canning. [/italic]
The show's biggest flaw essentially lies in it's machismo. It stretches belief because It's not realistic to assume that surviving the end of the world comes down to Alpha Male power only. It's all about Guns, Kill or be killed, and how FAR you can get in a car. In reality people survived using their brains, agriculture had to happen, food storage had to happen, and they NEEDED a community or real people to get things done.
Woodbury was an established community. They had some kind of food system, you can't tell me it was all live stock. So the Governor would know this shit. His taking off into the wilderness with a family didn't make any god damn sense to me.
- R246, all good points and common sense stuff that bothers even a fanboy like me.
Speaking of machismo. How about the Governor killing three zombies with his BARE HANDS in a confined space (the pit dug by Martinez's new gang) with a screaming child in jeopardy only a few feet away?
- SOOOOOooo..... Is this the same Governor — who by all accounts was a VIOLENT, SADISTIC & MAD as a hatter FUCK NUT who tortured people, used walkers for sport and left Andrea in a room with a walker last season.
The idea of this guy some kind of redemption tour: cleaning himself up, meeting and helping a family that happened to be very similar to his own and then taking the family with him seemed soooo ludicrous I had really hoped it was just one very extended delusion.
The only way this whole scenario isn't totally a left turn from where he's been is if the next episode opens up from Martinez's POV and the Governor is holding a baby doll and not a real girl.
- I think the Governor is really after that little girl. When the walkers were chasing them,he picked her up and left the others in his dust. She's a replacement for his zombie daughter.
- [quote]This is another aspect of the show where the time seems way off. HOW LONG has it been exactly?
All the lawns would be way overgrown by now, but the grass is still mowed. The most recent example was Rick and Carol in the housing development. The grass was short, but after two years in the hot Georgia climate it should look like a jungle.
- How can you all talk about this show stretching belief with the characters actions but accept zombies as plausible? It seems to me, if we're willing to pretend zombies can exist, we can pretend that it's time to abandon a house or that somebody doesn't want to bother with gardening.
- good point r251
- This episode was somewhat inspired by an incident in The Walking Dead: Rise of the Governor, which is a non-graphic novel prequel telling the story of how The Governor came to be.
I'm curious if they are going to somewhat follow that plot in order to make him even more of a monster, maybe with Carol becoming his Lady Macbeth.
- r251, we'd have to pretend that somebody DOES care about gardening because all the lawns are mowed.
- [quote]if they follow the comic - carol goes bat shit crazy.
In the comic the Gov tortured people for sport.
- I agree with you R248, but the adventures of the Governor are more interesting than anything Rick, prison leader.
- There's no practical way to dress every location with overgrown grass. Suspension of disbelief, people.
- Thank you Gale Ann at r257.
- The baby dyke sister lied about being a Cop, r246. She fessed up that she was still in the Academy. I'll assume she's had some training including the use of firearms and hand to hand combat and tactical policing so she has some skills and is more than willing to take orders and be a soldier. An asset. Although, it defies belief that neither one of the sisters could/would figure out that shooting the walkers in the head would put them down for good. I guess the P.A. sister took some shots from a distance and when they kept coming she closed the door and hauled ass back to the sanctuary of their apartment. I wonder if "Brian" did a sweep of the building and took out the walkers for them? He seemed to be with them for a few months. Long enough to get his sexy back:)
- In New York City, policy students at the academy are called Recruit Officers and get the police salary, so I guess they are cops even before they are sworn in.
- Baby dyke sister seems more like a female Barney Fyffe type to me. A braggart who gets weak in the knees when it comes time to put up or shut up. All hat and no cattle, as they say. Also, she doesn't have much common sense. Hell, she was willing to give the Gov back his gun after knowing him for about a cuppa coffee. It was Nursie, the older sister, who took the gun back and just gave him back his holster. So Baby Dyke, sprained ankle and all, doesn't seem like much of an asset to me.
Needy Nursie, goes after Governor dick after only a few days. Make of that what you will since the actor *is* pretty hot, but it's probably not a good idea if you've got a kid and survival should be your main priority.
Oh, and the kid. Mark my words. ANOTHER little girl in distress. Lord, do the writers watch Fox News or something??? Hope the little girl gets "Michonned" soon and the Gov sees it. That'll drive him batshit, for sure.
- Walking Dead is on the verge of jumping the shark this season. We know it's been at least a year since the outbreak (Andrea was with Michonne for several months). Those veggies in the prison yard are at least 2 to 3 mnths old. By now survivor towns and complexes would have been established all over. At least one horde would've passed by the prison - don't you think? The girls with their dad last night were too unbelievable. The timing doesn't match up!!! Sloppy.
- And why don't they show the corpses piling up outside the fence? It must stink like hell by now. Plus, the walkers eventually wouldn't be able to get that close to the fence anymore once the bodies start piling up.
- You sound just like Daryl, r261.
- Geez people, it's about zombies, why are you expecting it to be perfectly believable? It's a lot more enjoyable if you take that into account.
- I don't buy the cop-out "geez, it's about zombies." Just because the show has a fantasy premise, doesn't mean it shouldn't have its feet held to the fire from time to time over stuff that just doesn't add up, doesn't make any sense.
On the other hand, there are those that go too far and pick, pick, pick which takes all the fun out of it. Some people are just too anal.
I was reading the comments section on an article about "Sleepy Hollow" and the poster wrote that the type of hawk that lands on the Welcome to Sleepy Hollow, NY sign in the opening credits doesn't live in New York State--only in North Carolina where the series is filmed.
Now THAT'S a real freak!
So I think you can enjoy the show, yet still criticize it. And some people over-scrutinize it, and that's OTT because it's just a silly TV show.
- Maybe the grass didn't grow because it doesn't rain anymore due to climate change.
- I suspect the lesbian zombies are doing the gardening.
- Actually, grass should grow, with all the compost from dead bodies.
- You people bitching about the rest of us bitching sound like asspies!
I have no problem with several acts of suspension of disbelief, particularly the nicely-mowed lawns [although you'd think set dressers could work on that! Hell, just arrange for one block in whatever town they usually film in to let their lawns grow over for the two months it takes to film! People will do anything for money, why not that?] and, of course, the existence of zombies [excuse me, walkers/biters/chompers].
But when the show gets completely illogical and stupid [such as Govvy and the broads leaving their nice safe home, or Andrea not moving to free herself until after Milton turns zombie, or the characters all driving fucking stupid small cars instead of trucks and SUVs], it gets annoying!
There's suspension of disbelief, and then there's just plain old crappy storytelling. They are separate things, and it's a shame you can't understand that.
- Gas also goes bad. After a year of sitting around, it won't run an engine. It's volatile.
So at some point REALLY soon they're going to have to stop with the cars.
- The thing that suspends belief for me was the woman getting it on with the Guv'ner while her daughter and sister lie inches away... I know cock is hard to come by in the ZA but c'mon.
- [quote] if they follow the comic - carol goes bat shit crazy.
[quote] in the comic the Gov tortured people for sport.
This is the problem with the show. They're not taking it far enough. The show is basically life in OUR society, with a few zombies thrown in.
The producers are holding back. If you're going to make a show like The Walking Dead, then you really have to go BALLS TO THE WALL. Make it a positively terrifying experience for the viewer.
Like Cape Fear, Nightmare on Elm Street, and The Shining, all on crack!
Why does everything on this stupid show have to be about redemption?? Why can't it just be all terror, all fear, all craziness, all the time? Isn't that what a zombie apocalypse would REALLY feel like? As if something terrifying was always lurking around the corner? The show has become too tame.
If Carol becomes crazy, then make her REALLY crazy. If the Governor is a psycho sadist, then go all the fucking way! If Carl is a hardened cut-throat child growing up in the ZA, then make him as hard core as possible!
This show could be so great, but now it just sucks ass.
- Not a single goddamned person on this show has gone to a dealership and taken a state-of-the-art, tricked-out RV to travel around in? That's the first thing I would do.
- I can take suspension of disbelief over some things, but all the mowed lawns after all this time really is a glaring oversight.
- And shouldn't there be grass growing the in the sidewalk and pavement cracks? (It grows on my lawn like crazy if I don't regularly pull it out .)
- R273 is spot on!!
- The showrunner from Walking Dead's great first season has new show premiering on TNT in a few weeks.
Hopefully, that network will give him the budget he needs and lets him tell the story his way, unlike AMC.
A lot of Walking Dead's current problems is that AMC cut the show's budget to the core, so they only really have money for zombie makeup and some CGI. That's the only thing they think the audience cares about.
They know the show will never win many Emmys, so they might as well fill the time slot with as many commericals as they can cram in and make as much money as they can off the show for as long as possible.
Unmowed lawns are no concern.
- >>That's the only thing they think the audience cares about.
Maybe they're right -- the ratings have never been higher.
- [quote]I can take suspension of disbelief over some things, but all the mowed lawns after all this time really is a glaring oversight.
They shoot on location. They don't own the locations they shoot. They can dress locations to look how they want for the day, but they can't keep them that way all year. Growing out grass is impossible in that scenario.
- Jesus Christ, making fake grass is not that hard. One acre of fake grass would cost them a few thousand bucks, tops. They could re-use it shot for shot all season long and you'd never know.
If they cared about this, it's perfectly achievable. They clearly don't think it matters. And they may be right.
- Thanks R282, I don't even care about the fucking grass, but obviously production design is supposed to be a big deal on most productions. However, if the show runners/network doesn't care, then there's nothing to do.
- I am so much more interested in Carol's lesbianism than grass.
- Me too R284. Having said that, I bet Carol is great at mowing lawn.
- Fuck the Governor! I don't care about him, he's the damn villain. Why haven't we gotten to see Michonne's backstory yet? The origin of her zombie "pets" is one of the best parts of the graphic novel.
- Ah, Carol! This explains it all. The lawns are immaculately manicured, because Carol is out there munching grass.
Didn't we already see the backstory of Michone's pets, R286? Or am I hallucinating that?
- With only 2 episodes left, I don't think we will see Carol until the new year.
- Agree with 286. Interesting storylines are disregarding for much boring ones, like these asshats the governor latched on to.
losing patience with this show.
- I hope the 3 females the Governor picked up he loses soon. But I am afraid he will be dragging that annoying kid around as now he will probably get obsessed with her.
- They need to focus on the established characters and stop bringing in all these boring new people.
It's pretty much a given that Carol is going to find her way to the Governor.
- Everyone knows that gardening is what lesbians do when they can't find a KFC. I am just so happy Carol is do lawn care instead of eating grease.
- I really liked when they went to the CDC. I don't want a bunch of new characters introduced but am interested what is going on in the rest of the world after the ZA.
- Are they ever going to follow up on that radio broadcast Darryl and his posse heard when they were out on the road?
- Good point R294.
- [quote]Are they ever going to follow up on that radio broadcast Darryl and his posse heard when they were out on the road?
As I understand it, they're going to save that for season twelve.
Next season, they're all going to be holed up at a mega mall where there'll be conflict within the group leading to betrayals and questions of morality. The season after that, they'll be holed up in a hospital where there'll be conflict within the group leading to betrayals and questions of morality. The season after that, they'll be holed up on an aircraft carrier where there'll be conflict within the group leading to betrayals and questions of morality. The season after that they'll be holed up in a strip mall dance academy where there'll be conflict within the group leading to betrayals and questions of morality. The season after that...
- Well, this week is a little better than last week's show. Still a lot of people that I don't care about, but there is more action.
- Can't believe they killed off the cute brother who was nice (dammit).
He looked a little like Enver Gjokaj (Victor from "DollHouse")... like maybe his older brother. I did check, and it wasn't him.
- That moment when she's pulling on the biter's leg and his rotting flesh just strips off was literally the grossest thing they've ever done on this show.
- That was indeed Gjokaj, R298 -- check his IMDB page:
- There is a new lesbian coupling on the show.
Think Carol will join their tribe to make it a threesome?
- Weird, R300... I checked right before I posted and it wasn't listed. It must have updated just recently. Huh.
- I was confused after the scene where the governor and the women were running from the camp and encountered the walkers stuck in the mud. The very next scene show them right back in camp - it was jarring. It wasn't made clear that they drove off in the middle of the night, then returned and no one questioned them.
- There were a lot of questions in that camp. Like how he could beat the snot out of the guy with a golf club and no one was around, yet when they were running away and fell in the pit everyone was around. They are spending too much time on the Governor, who was killed in the Woodbury assault in the comic. They should have done a two episode back story on Michonne like the other poster said.
- I think Herschel is gone next week, bitches.
- So for those who complain we have no gay people on the show, we now have a lesbian couple.
- I wondered about the pit of walkers. So they are stuck in quicksand? So why go back to the camp because of that?
Did the Gov remember hw overwhelming the odds were?
- Interesting article: Seven lingering questions about "The Walking Dead"
- R303 R307 I didn't get the part about the walkers in the quicksand either! That day the Gov's telling the new family it's urgent and they've got to get out of the camp. That night they're on the road and encounter a bunch of walkers stuck in quicksand.
Then, boom, it's the next morning and the Gov and family are back in the camp and he's plotting world domination.
And while I'm at it, why (knowing what Martinez knew about the Gov) did he let him back in the camp at all?
And why after the Gov told Mitch he killed his brother Pete, did Pete just sort of accept it?
And boy do those young women in the Gov's new family have strong sex drives. Lily is getting Gov dick a few days after meeting him and Baby Dyke Tara has already snatched up some snatch at the new camp. Maybe the little girl Meghan will put the moves on Killer Carl at the prison.
- I wasn't watching closely, but were the pit of zombies in the middle of the road and he didn't want to drive over them for fear of his car getting trapped in the muck and mire? And so he turned back?
- I think it was a metaphor. His impulse was to hit the road. He did, and was reminded of the horrors that await. That turned him to seek safety, the safety of walls, like the prison.
- Yes R310. It's the "and so he turned back" part that bothered me. No attempt to find *another* route? No attempt to, uhm, drive *around* the quicksand?
Just, oh, ok, let's just go back to the camp after he spent the day putting his family on high alert to get out.
- Another example where the audience is forced to create justifications and excuses for what it sees on the screen, such as why haven't the corpses of the dead walkers piled up along the fences? Oh, yeah, they bury them but no need to show it or even mention it.
- Or what it DOESN'T see on the screen.
- It wasn't masterful storytelling, but I think that's what the intent was.
- It's ART. It doesn't have to make sense. And you're all fools for questioning it.
- It is a plot-driven vehicle and so its plot had better stand up to some scrutiny.
- If the flesh was so rotten that simply pulling on it caused it to strip off the bone... then how can the zombies move at all? The muscle wouldn't be able to move the bones without shredding itself...
- Love those questions R308. Good article.
- The lesbian courtship cracked me up. Gun talk...yep, That's how I've formed all my long-term relationships.
At any rate, the younger sister is dumb as a box of hammers. Hope her girlfriend has some more smarts.
- The Governor didn't even stop Pete from turning. What a dick.
- Pete is his trophy. Just like the heads in the fishtanks. Gov is still one sick fucker. He ain't changed. I fear for Lilly and her sister. They are collateral damage if they get in the way of the Gov keeping his surrogate daughter "safe". The poster who said the baby dyke sister is a bullshitter and totally useless was right. She still doesn't know to shoot a walker in the head or at least find something to shove in it's skull? And the rotting leg flesh coming off in her hands was hysterical.
- Was this episode a flashback? In the opening scene,Meghan and the Gov are alone. Did he kill everybody in the camp?
- The two episodes are confusing in terms of time lines. In the preview for next week Brian is trying to rally the troops for another assault on the prison. When he 86'd Martinez with the golf club there was no one else around. Maybe the Governor and his little family prefer to be off by themselves. After Martinez is found in the pit the group circles the wagons and sets up quards around the perimeter. Have to wonder why they didn't do that to begin with. It looked like Lilly and Martinez were having a flirtatious moment and he seemed to really like Megan. Part of the Gov's motivation for killing him may have been jealousy rather than just seeing an inherent weakness that put them all in jeopardy. Someone on another site thinks the Gov is going to take the shot at Michonne and hit Hershel instead. And was the Gov the one feeding the walkers the rats to weaken the fence and perhaps have the walkers do all the work taking out the prison group? So many questions, only one episode left till the break!
- If the dialogue and themes weren't so hit over the head obvious, the ratings wouldn't be nearly as good!
- The most evil thing the Governor has ever done is kill Enver Gjokaj. That guy is HOT.
- Envar Gjokaj is also a fine actor. I'm sorry he wasn't around longer.
I think the rats are being fed to the walkers from somebody inside the prison.
- Victor from Dollhouse is dreamy....
- I think the Governor knew he couldn't make it alone taking care of the women so he turned back. He always had his minions do most of the dirty work at Woodbury.
The girl fucking him I hope finds out all about what a psycho he is. She is putting her kid at risk for some cock.
- The last two episode have been the worst in the entire series. I have been a huge fan since day one, but these last two have bored me to tears. This season has moved along so slowly. I have been a tad disappointed. I still love the show but it has not been as compelling this year.
- [quote]If the flesh was so rotten that simply pulling on it caused it to strip off the bone... then how can the zombies move at all? The muscle wouldn't be able to move the bones without shredding itself...
That's starting to bug me. One of the walkers at the abandoned house seemed to have all the strength of a living person when he tried to get at one of the guys by pushing at a door. Decomposition has to figure into what the walkers are capable of doing.
- Yes this season has been kind of boring, plot-wise. Here's a quote from that article R308 posted.
2. Is this season building toward anything in particular?
In previous years, there seemed to be bigger goals: Get to the CDC, get off the farm, get to the prison. (Was it a little boring? Oh God, yes.) But this season doesn't seem to have a propulsive goal, any one purpose in particular. That's not a bad thing, per se — we're running out of interesting zombie problems the characters can encounter on the highway — but it has made this season feel sort of static. Can't we have character depth and narrative motion happening simultaneously? Perhaps we've been moving toward a face-off between the Governor and Rick's camp, but that was also the climax of last season. And it was only sort of interesting then.
- I really want to know the origin of the zombie plague. I know that the comics have never gone into it, but television is a different medium and people want answers.
- They were much safer in that apartment than the camp.
Maybe they left because they were BORED out of their minds being only 3, then 4 people.
- After watching the last 2 episodes, I can sympathize with them being bored out of their minds.
The last part of the episode was confusing with them suddenly back in the camp, but by that point I was FFing and really didn't care enough to rewind.
The show is basically back where the audience thought it was 3 weeks ago, with the crazy Governor wanting to destroy the prison.
- But they were much safer in the apartment building.
I don't understand why they don't go back, take the group with them, and just demolish the stairs on the first floor?
- 296 hit the nail on the head - who could be bothered with all this drama with a zombie apocolypse going on?? I'd be more concerned with travel, connecting with other more sane people, military, ANYBODY who has more info on what the hell is going on in the world. Like that voice over the radio. You would think these things would take priority in the plot instead of a cat fight between two protagonists.
Really, so many more plot lines just left dangling and underdeveloped that would make the show remotely interesting at this point.
- Norman Reedus was supposed to be on the View today. Did anyone see it?
- R336, I thought much the same. By all appearances walkers can't climb at all. You'd need to make somewhat dangerous supply runs every now and then, but really almost any second or third floor would be safe from walkers. I'd be a lot more worried about people. People will fuck you up and take your shit.
- I said this in an earlier post, but they had SO MUCH FOOD in that truck to last them at least ten years.
They could have grown veggies on the roof, and kept buckets out to capture rainwater.
Made no sense for them to leave. My only thought was that they were BORED out of their minds, and ready to risk their life to be with other people.
- Let's face it. Both of the young women in the Gov's new family are pretty stupid. So stupid, in fact, that for all the time the ZA has been going on they were never able to figure out how to kill a zombie on their own. That's pretty goddamn dumb. Despite having backstories of being a nurse and police cadet, these two idiots have been unable to kill even one fucking zombie or fortify their apt and have been content to sit around and eat Spaghetti-Ohs all day.
So I'm not surprised these two morons do stuff that doesn't make any sense. To the extent they think at all, it's with their cooters. Nursie's fucking the Gov and her Barney Fyfee Baby Dyke sister is now doing the chick she met at Martinez's camp. So that's why they left. They're a coupla nymphos.
- I don't mind the sisters. They've been sheltered all this time and don't have a clue about the outside world. It's not fair to judge them just because we the viewers know all the shit that's gone down.
- I wouldn't call one being an oncology nurse and the other training to be a police officer "sheltered" R342.
Plus, the older one, the nurse has a kid with a deadbeat dad, so she's had some experience out in the world.
- Well I mean they've been literally sheltered in their apartment building from the zombie apocalypse as far as we can tell.
But in any case, I'm sure they won't be around too long. We know what happens to women who pursue sex on this show.
- Philip, Lilly, Megan and Baby Dyke couldn't have gotten far on foot after having to abandon the truck and running into Martinez and his men. Why doesn't Brian try to retrace his steps and find the truck with the food instead of wandering around catching squirrels with the other men? Or like a previous poster said why not take them back to the apartment house and see if it can be fortified and used as a base. They can use the Rv's to block off the street. And post armed guards on the roofs. The Gov and Martinez know how to secure an area. This wandering the wasteland looking for grubs makes no sense. Is it because that would be too much like Woodbury and cause Phil all kinds of PTSD and the fear of losing control? He went there anyway. The current showrunners only want you to sit there and ooh and ahh at the Zombie make-up and the clever ways they think up to kill a Walker and lust after Daryl. That's it. Don't think. Don't question. Don't bitch.
- Another reason to hate Tara, besides the stupidity of the character: the actress is Alanna Masterson, sister to Danny and Chris and another Scientologist. Ugh. Surprised she's playing a gay character. Then again, Prepon plays gay on OITNB. Seems hypocritical to make money playing an orientation you deeply despise and malign in real life.
- Actually, I liked this season until The Governor came back. Since then... boring-city.
- I'm thinking the dykes are gonna bite it on Sunday.
- This show used to be one of my faves. Now I force myself to watch it. Too much t...a...l...k...I...n...g.
Deal with it Rick. You have to kill zombies and weak people. Why haven't you learned that lesson after four seasons you idiot. We have.
- Did anyone recognize the actor playing Mitch? His name is Kirk Acevedo and he played Alvarez on the show Oz.
- [quote] I can take suspension of disbelief over some things, but all the mowed lawns after all this time really is a glaring oversight.
The glaring oversight in these past two episodes (for me) hasn't been the manicured lawns. It's been the question of why the fuck isn't the "bleeding eye flu" hitting Martinez' group???
The people at the prison are dropping like flies, while at the same time, Martinez and his people are hitting golf balls and drinking beer. Seriously, WTF????
The season started off with the prison in dire straits, with the new plague attacking the survivors, and yet you have another groupm, just miles away, with not even ONE of their people suffering from the illness?
I'm sorry, but Walking Dead has simply become ridiculous in its storytelling. So many plotholes, that the show is filling with water and sinking fast.
Just like "Lost" on ABC, once you lose the core of loyal viewers, nobody will care anymore.
"Lost" totally insulted its fanbase by letting the story meander into non-sensical directions, and Walking Dead is doing the same thing. Based on how "Lost" ended, tying up loose ends with stupid resolutions, I'm guessing that Walking Dead has a few seasons left, with an ultimately unsatisfying conclusion.
As terrible as Season 2 was, it ended the mid-season with a BANG, and came back and finished strong.
This season has bored me to tears. They can make the argument that the show is trying to tell a story, but I have learned NOTHING new about any of the characters, in the two months that the show has been back. NOTHING.
[quote] I'd be more concerned with travel, connecting with other more sane people, military, ANYBODY who has more info on what the hell is going on in the world. Like that voice over the radio. You would think these things would take priority in the plot instead of a cat fight between two protagonists.
THANK YOU! The story has become too specific.
The writers need to take a more generalist approach, like in the first couple of seasons.
Season one was fast-paced, with the introduction of new scenery and new characters, peppered throughout the season.
Season two got bogged down on the farm. Seasons three and four got bogged down in the prison.
GET THEM THE FUCK OUT OF THE PRISON!
I am THISCLOSE to giving up on the show. It simply doesn't interest me any more.
I mean, really. How much more brooding can we take from Rick? Or yoda-isms from Herschel? Or chivalry from Glenn? It's TIRED.
- I agree with everything you say, R351, except the comparison to LOST. At its considerable worst, LOST still ran circles around this silly comic-book-by-way-of-video-game shite.
There are better ways to spend an hour on Sunday nights. I'm out.
- Watch Homeland instead. It's more fun to hate-watch. It's silly and unbelievable but it least it has action. The Walking Dead is just people arguing, and sometime zombies show up.
- The worse this show gets, the higher the ratings. This season has been the highest rated yet.
- [quote]The Walking Dead is just people arguing, and sometime zombies show up.
Which, by the way, would be just fine, if they were arguing about something worthwhile or interesting.
- So boring. Watch the good wife.
- You realize the budget was a lot larger for season 1, right? And there has been a lot of politicking behind the scenes about location shoots and costs. They got "bogged down" on the farm primarily to save costs.
And as for the other group miles away not having the illness... illness that deadly takes a high population density to evolve and spread. It kills its victims too quickly to propagate across "voids" of humanity. It was obviously something that mutated locally in a pig or something, and spread to the humans. There isn't necessarily a vector to the Governor's new group. It could be very localized. THAT isn't a plot-hole, necessarily.
What would be interesting is, after it burns itself out on the prison population, if any new people coming in catch it, while the ones that live are now immune? And are they carriers now? If they interact with other groups, with those other groups get sick? I don't expect them to explore either of these ideas, but that would be interesting.
Honestly, I really liked this season until the Governor came back. I really hate how they handled him last season, and this season as well. Bleh. I hope they put this entire plot thread to bed this season, and MOVE ON next season... away from the Prison, no more Governor, and maybe give us some wider perspective on what happened, what's going on in the world now, etc.
And as stated above, at some point, they're going to have to stop using cars, because not only will none of them have gas any more, whatever gas is left around won't be good, and won't actually start engines any more. It's a volatile liquid people, it doesn't last forever just sitting around! And obviously nobody is refining new fuels... so...
- I am also ready for them to move on from the prison and get back on the road, but AMC spent a fortune on that prison set and they're going to squeeze every last dime out of it. I would also like to see a wider perspective, get them out of rural Georgia and into a new location for whatever reasons.
- Carol sure will be having a gay old time when she meets up with the Governor's new set. She will thank her lucky stars Rick kicked her out. I wonder if baby dike and consort are into three ways?
- What r358 said.
In the comics they go out on the road and to different cities/states.
I REALLY want to see frozen zombies, even if it's only for a few episodes.
- [quote] And as for the other group miles away not having the illness... illness that deadly takes a high population density to evolve and spread. It kills its victims too quickly to propagate across "voids" of humanity. It was obviously something that mutated locally in a pig or something, and spread to the humans. There isn't necessarily a vector to the Governor's new group. It could be very localized. THAT isn't a plot-hole, necessarily.
Yes, I'm sure that's what your average viewer is thinking about.
High-density population spreading illness, vector control, and disease propagation.
Mmm hmm. If a viewer has to think THIS much about a common sense plot point, chances are you've lost that viewer.
Apparently, WD producers and AMC don't have a mother fucking clue.
- Darryl has had absolutely no storyline this season.
- Will Darryl have anything to do tonight?
- Tune in to see if the governor and his camp will prevail in their assault on Rick and his camp to decide who rules the prison.
Um, didn't this conflict happen last year? Wasn't it decided when the Governor's side lost, followed by him gunning down his own people, followed by the survivors moving into the prison, followed by the Governor burning down the town?
Shark? Meet "The Walking Dead." It is who will be jumping over you tonight.
- So as the ratings and advertiser rates go up, the budget goes down? Fuck AMC.
- Wasn't it suggested that AMC poured all their money into MAD MONEY and the other shows suffered for it? Not that I necessarily believe that. BREAKING BAD looked amazing. And had, ya know, a good story and interesting characters and an exciting cast.
- I truly hope the show gets better. I loved the first two seasons, liked the third season and have been disappointed by the fourth. There was a lot of potential at the beginning of the season but they've lost a lot of momentum.
My man Daryl has had nothing to do all season. Rick has become a secondary character. Carol is gone, for God knows how long and the show has focused on the Governor for the last two episodes (yawn!). I hope tonight's episode is better.
- Could someone explain why the Governor snapped and fed poor Martinez to the walkers? Did I miss something?
- I have some questions about the camp by the lake. How did they manage to find all those RV's? Was the spot an RV park? How did Brian and his little family score an RV for themselves being the newest additions to the group? They have vehicles so why didn't Brian take Martinez and his men to the food truck? Why are they having to scavenge for squirrels when they have non-perishable food and lots of it close by? I hope the prison gang finds the truck on one of their runs. The one thing I do like about the Gov is he always has a bottle of booze nearby. Not like the teetotalers at the Prison.
- I sure hope Carol and her new band of lesbian warrior wimmin come in at the end and take out the Governor. Then Rick can apologize to her, before she says "Fuck off" and takes off with the weapons and the wimmin...
- Herschel's journey had come to an end. Now all hell breaks loose.
- At least they're out of that damn prison. And the Governor is dead. Glad Michonne got to do it.
- Scott Wilson didn't look too happy to get that phone call from Gimple. On IMBD he's listed as being in episodes or an episode in 2014. How is that possible?
- Everybody's hair is so shiny and clean-looking. They must really stock up on shampoo and conditioner when they do their supply runs.
- Best episode of the season. It more than made up for the last two snooze-fests.
- Where were all the walkers that have been crowding the prison fence for months? Suddenly they all disappear just in time for the Rick/Governor showdown. Bad continuity, show runners.
- I'm glad the Governor and Judith are dead. I'll miss Hershel though. And where is that lesbian Carol? I'll bet she was hiding in the "bushes" and watching the whole showdown.
- Don't you remember all the zombies broke in, and then were mowed down by Rick and Carl?
- [quote]On IMBD he's listed as being in episodes or an episode in 2014. How is that possible?
Are you so stupid that you believe everything on IMDb is correct, especially on TV show episodes that haven't aired yet?
- What was that thing that Therese found on the prison wall, the thing that proved that whoever put the rats near the fence also killed his girlfriend. I only got a glance before the camera cut away... it looked like half a raw skull somehow attached to the wall.
- That's how we do it on Broadway!
- Where will they go, now that the prison is shot to shit?
- Wow. I don't really know how to respond to your post. Are you this angry and rude in real life? No, I don't believe everything I read. But it didn't surprise me that you are the poster at r372 and couldn't wait to spoil the ending of the finale for those who may not have watched it yet.
- Damn auto-correct. That should be Tyreese, not Therese.
- This was an extension of the woodbury assault in the comic. They just dragged it out to another season. In the comic Judith and Lori are killed by a woman who realizes she just killed a baby, Michone, Rick and Carl leave together and everything else is pretty much the same. How awesome was it the little girls shot them people in the head though.
What I don't get is you letting your little girl play in the mud while you don't pay attention to her. I mean it is the zombie apocalypse for christ sake. You are suddenly safe by a river?
- R380, it was a squirrel (or rat) that had been flayed open and pinned to a board... really psycho stuff.
- I agree, a really great episode tonight.
Full of tensions on various fronts, with an epic climactic battle.
A fitting half-season finale.
- The ratings are actually dropping week to week, from 16 million to 11 million.
- I noticed Kirk Acevedo in the last 2 episodes. Hard to believe he's 42. I'm sad Hershel is gone and wish Carl was too!
- r377 why would you be glad Judith is dead? Why? Are you a child hating gay? How cliche. Did you not like when Judith cried like babies do? Was she her stroller blocking your entrance to one of the cell blocks? Douche.
- Judith hasn't been confirmed as dead yet. Talking Dead didn't have her in their "R.I.P" segment they do every week. I think the little kids took her back inside the prison (maybe that's why they ran back instead of out), or maybe Carol came back & took her undetected.
- I never seen such Emmy begging as Andrew Lincoln did tonight...
- That was cool Carol in a way saved Tyrese..
I can't believe Mich didn't finish The Gov...
- I can't believe those bastards killed a baby...
- I agree it's possible the baby is still alive. I think the kids shown struggling to carry her and Beth going back for the baby and all that were foreshadowing for someone having taken her. I hope it's Carol. There was a lot that was anti-climactic about tonight's episode and I'm sad the hot lesbian is dead.
- Carol saved Tyrese because she taught the kids to kill. I'm betting that will be the reason he forgives her.
- Walking Dead just makes me think of how much better Battlestar Galactica was.
And I like Walking Dead, but...
- Christ 383, you really are an idiot. Who reads this thread before seeing the new episode?
- I think Michonne wanted the Governor to have to suffer as a zombie. Putting him out of his misery was something she didn't want to do.
The showrunner for Walking Dead has confirmed that Judith was killed by walkers. He also said it was a rabbit Tyrese found staked to the wall.
- What about The Governor is he really dead?
Was that Lori The zombie we saw?
- The story timeline is totally fucked up. In the previous episodes that focused on the governor, we are led to believe that A LOT of time has passed since the fall of Woodbury. But then last night, as the the governor's new bunch of followers circle the prison, it appears that only a short period has passed, since Glenn is only just coming out of his bout with the flu or whatever the outbreak was and Darryl is only just finding out about Carol. WTF?
I am also with those that may not come back to watch the 2nd half of season 4. I hate how the writers/producers are fucking with the audience. There seemed to be a lot of animosity between the actors (Lauren and Scott) and the show's creator on last night's Talking Dead. Just the body language alone showed it. I can't believe that the show will have a season 5 with all the shoddy continuity and writing.
- [quote] I'm glad the Governor and Judith are dead. I'll miss Hershel though. And where is that lesbian Carol? I'll bet she was hiding in the "bushes" and watching the whole showdown.
Same here. The Governor had just become too evil. I couldn't stand the sight of him anymore. He was just being gratuitously violent.
And Judith had to go because she served no purpose on the show. She was just something that Rick and Carl referred to every now and then, and her carriage was probably an irritation to the actors.
I'm most fascinated by what happened to Carol. If she turns out to be a cannibal-psycho, I think that would probably be the most twisted storyline on television at the moment. Seems like Carol snapped after Sophia, and she has become a total nutjob.
[quote] There seemed to be a lot of animosity between the actors (Lauren and Scott) and the show's creator on last night's Talking Dead. Just the body language alone showed it.
Wow, I ONE HUNDRED PERCENT agree with this. I thought I was the only one who was getting that vibe. The actors REALLY seem to hate Kirkman!!
When Kirkman was explaining why "Hershel" had to be beheaded because he was an "important" character who needed an "important" death scene, Lauren Cohan (Maggie) seemed surprised and repulsed by him! LOL
It's clear that there's a severe disconnect between the producers and actors on the show... and hence the shoddy product.
Scott Wilson (Hershel), being the pro that he is, tried to smooth everything over and tow the party line about everyone being one big happy family, and how he loves the producers and writers, etc., but he also took a dig at them by mentioning how AWESOME the actor who played Dale was.
Jeffrey Demunn (Dale) was always a controversial figure on the show because he sided with Frank Darabont, so with Scott Wilson siding with Jeffrey, it's clear that he's no fan of the current production team.
I'm guessing the real problem lies with Kirkman. He simply doesn't understand that what works for the comic book, doesn't always work for a television show.
At this point, I don't know what can save the show. It's really disjointed at this point, and with the Governor gone, what will be the motivation of the characters?
Stay tuned, I guess.
- I'm still not convinced Carol killed those two people. But I think she did help dispose of the bodies. I think that little girl did it and is a total sociopath (also flaying the rats etc.)
- I thought he was giving a dig when he said the actors all do their best with the material each week...
- I kept expecting Carol to drive up in her Rainbow decorated Hyundai wagon, smash a few heads and save Carl and Dad.
- Me too R403
- Interesting read from Frank Darabont, on his experience with AMC and the Walking Dead:
"Darabont experienced the downside of the TV workout with “Walking Dead,” the show he adapted from Robert Kirkman’s graphic novel series. After the skein’s impressive start with a six-episode run in the fall of 2010, the biz was shocked the following summer when the news broke that the creative was off the show.
Rumors swirled that Darabont was fired by AMC over budget concerns and clashes between him and network suits. Neither Darabont nor AMC have publicly addressed the reasons for his departure — which only added fuel to the rumor mill — but the wound has clearly still not healed.
After Darabont’s tense departure, Glen Mazzara took over showrunning duties, but he was ushered out two seasons later. Scott Gimple, who was a member of Darabont’s original writing staff, now spearheads the show.
When asked if he still watches “Walking Dead,” Darabont lets loose.
“Oh God no, why would I,” he says sharply. “If the woman you loved with all your heart left you for the Pilates instructor and just sent you an invitation to the wedding, would you go?”
He continues, “There’s a deep commitment and emotional investment that happens when you create something that is very near and dear to you, and when that is torn asunder by sociopaths who don’t give a shit about your feelings or the feelings of your cast and crew … that doesn’t feel good.”
After a drag off the e-cig and stroke of Bailey’s head, Darabont laughs. “No, I would not go to the wedding, is my answer. Nor would I accompany them on their wedding night to see them fuck.”
Despite his hard feelings, Darabont is happy to see Gimple in a leadership position on the program.
“I thought Scott was the most talented writer in that room, and I’m including myself in that equation,” he says. “I thought, if anyone deserved the shot to revive that show (to get) it back to some sort of adult perspective, it would be him.”"
Guess that explains what happened to the show.
- [quote] My man Daryl has had nothing to do all season.
On various boards people are complaining that Darryl has had absolutely no storyline.
- [quote] On IMBD he's listed as being in episodes or an episode in 2014. How is that possible?
For contractual purposes he receives credit only.
- ...or it could be a flash-back, who knows.
- [quote] “Oh God no, why would I,” he says sharply. “If the woman you loved with all your heart left you for the Pilates instructor and just sent you an invitation to the wedding, would you go?”
[quote] After a drag off the e-cig and stroke of Bailey’s head, Darabont laughs. “No, I would not go to the wedding, is my answer. Nor would I accompany them on their wedding night to see them fuck.”
- [quote]The showrunner for Walking Dead has confirmed that Judith was killed by walkers. He also said it was a rabbit Tyrese found staked to the wall.
Link please, Don't buy it for a minute. They will find her with the bus in the spring season. There was blood in the car seat from someone living picking her up with bloody hands. There was no trace of her.
[quote]Wow, I ONE HUNDRED PERCENT agree with this. I thought I was the only one who was getting that vibe. The actors REALLY seem to hate Kirkman!!
Wow, you really like to think for strangers don't you? "The Talking Dead" is completely voluntary. They are under no contract to appear. If a guest "hated" another, they don't show up. Lots of actors are uncomfortable talking about themselves and prefer to be on camera with other people's words. As Wilson said, they all came into this knowing the next episode could be their last.
[quote]And Judith had to go because she served no purpose on the show.
Really? She's the future. If you don't think she and Carl will be the last two standing, walking into the sunset on the final minutes of the final episode, you're not paying attention.
- It's very sentimental to think that Carl and Judith will survive until the end, but the show would still need to deal with the problems of believability that a toddler/young child could survive situation after situation.
The way this show is going, they will like go the "Full House" route with Judith and cast cute twins with adorable "How Rude!" catchphrases.
- Here's what the showrunner, Gimple, actually said about Judith's fate:
"There are a lot of walkers around there as well. It did not look good, and I don't want to say one way or another but what you see tells a story."
Make of it what you will. I have no idea where the poster got the information that Judith's death was confirmed.
And here's the link to the full interview.
- Why don't the walkers' eyes decay like their skin does? Are the eyes eternally rejuvenated when they turn yellow during the zombiefication process? The walkers would not be as much of a threat if they couldn't see their prey.
- Does David Morrissey feel such loyalty to the show that he'll demean himself with a short appearance as Zombie Governor on a future episode?
- R416, didn't his girlfriend shoot him in the head after Michonne left him?
- Why do some of you believe Judith is dead? I don't think she is.
- Those baby carriers are a pain in the ass to lug around. I am thinking that somebody scooped Judith up and ran and that she is alive.
- Doesn't anyone know where to find barbed wire? Just get bales and bales of it and the walkers will get tangled up in it. Then pick them off with samurai swords or bayonets or a broom handle through the eye.
Weren't there any Lowes or Home Depots around during the zombie apocalypse? No houses with solar panels?
There are too many zombies walking around. If there were that many zombies and so few living people, most of the zombies would have starved by now. And how could zombies overcome air forces and tank corps? Flamethrowers? Drones? Helicopter gunships? They showed the military already defeated, but didn't show how these slow-moving decayed corpses could have taken over the world during the beginning of the ZA.
- If Carol shows up with that baby, it will officially become a soap opera.
- I think Judith is alive and I also believe that the older girl is a psycho.
What happened to the Gov's gf's sister? I lost track of her. Also, on the Talking Dead they mentioned a "Claire" as a zombie in one scene. Who was Claire?
- Claire was the crazy Irish woman rick found early in the season ... She was one of the horde zombies at the end.
- And we were supposed to remember Claire when I couldn't wait to forget her or that episode?
- Kirkman is a BIG, FAT, turd!
So, now we get to see the gang try and find each other for the next 8 episodes? FUN!
I assume the show is moving at a tortoise pace because they don't want it to catch up to the comic book.
I have a really bad feeling that Daryl will be gone by the end of the season.
And I'm wondering if baby dyke and her sister took Judith?
- Excellent write-up on this episode:
[bold]The Walking Dead just had its "Red Wedding" episode and it was AMAZING[/bold]
HOLY SHIT. The rematch between Rick and the Governor arrived not with a bang, but with several bangs, which if you reacted anything like I did tore your face off with craziness. The end result: A mid-season finale that was exciting, shocking, brutal (so brutal) and better than any actual TWD finale. It was, legitimately, great.
You want to know how great it is? I'm writing this right after watching "Too Far Gone," and there's a knot in my stomach and all my brain wants me to write is HOLY SHIT over and over.
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- I am glad Lilly the Gov's girlfriend wised up. Also I noticed her hair didn't look shiny so at least she looked a bit realistic. Funny that big shot wanna be cop sister panicked when the fighting broke up. Though glad she was the voice of reason saying the Gov just beheaded a man. My poor Hershel!
- [And I'm wondering if baby dyke and her sister took Judith?
IIRC, Baby Dyke was killed. The sister is alive, she killed the governor - though I don't know if she was trying to put him out of his misery and stop him from coming back as a walker, or if she was so angry at him for what he had done to her family and friends. She seemed really angry in the last shot.
- So Lilly and the cop sister, did they survive?
- [quote] Baby Dyke was killed.
Are you sure? I didn't see her get killed. She just looked scared in her final shot. Plus she wasn't among those In Memorioum in the Talking Dead segment.
- Okay, maybe I got confused. I thought one of the dykes got killed.
- The other lesbian (who was the gf) got shot between the eyes.
- Yes, Baby Dyke's gf was shot by the little psycho chick if I recall.
- Is she psycho or just growing up really fast. She was stuck in the sick ward when the zombies broke out and she saved Hershel. Carol taught them to fight and she is not that much younger than Carl. If I were Tyrese I would not think they were psycho.
I have a feeling Tyrese and the girls will catch up wtih Carol, since Tyrese was never told who killed his GF, then they will all catch up with the rest.
- Last we saw the lesbian sister/cop wannabe she was walking away from the tank in a daze. She did not appear to be hit.
Her girlfriend was shot by the bad ass tween girl.
- If they really wanted to be cruel, they would have shown Hershel's severed zombie head growling as the final shot.
- Kirkman has always been a hack. The comic is dreadful, especially the dialogue and shrill characters. Shock value from a guy who has not moved past adolescence.
The TV show is far better, which is why Kirkman keeps firing everyone who tries to let the concept grow up. Gimple is doing well but I wouldn't be surprised to see him go next.
- reading about the comics there is so many female characters getting raped.
But there have hardly been any rapes on the show.
- Kirkman has always come off as a immature douche with an only slightly veiled hatred of women.
- [quote] immature douche with an only slightly veiled hatred of women.
But he has pulled back on all the rape storylines featured in the comics.
They have had more rapes than Days of our Lives!
- Kirkman and Walking Dead TV show have a very obvious hatred of women.
The only strong woman allowed to survive must have her phallic sword with her at all times or she is powerless.
- R441 what about Carol?
- Miles O'Keefe - Tarzan
Michael O'Keefe - Roseanne, The Great Santini, Caddyshack
- TWD the show is much, much less misogynistic than Kirkman's graphic novels, which literally feature women crying, going crazy, being raped, fighting/committing suicide over a MAYUN!!!! and nagging menfolk to death in EVERY SINGLE ISSUE.
Even Michonne was raped continuously for 3 days in the comics. The show is nowhere near that bad. I agree that Carol kicks ass, especially since in the comics she kills herself because Tyreese wouldn't do her. Seriously.
- The comics also included an attempted rape on Carl, soon after the prison fell. By a small group of men; he was saved before they were able to though.
- Well in fairness, R444, the fact that Lori turned her down after Carol tried to make out with her, didn't help either.
Anyway, I don't think the network would allow any rapes would they? Certainly they wouldn't allow the whole rape as weapon of war thing.
- Person on Tumblr speculating that Tyreese has baby Judith!
- Tyreese took off with the two girls Carol was looking after--did not see him take away baby Judith. I think someone has the baby. It willbe a shining moment from a terrible day when Rick and Carl unite with her.
- [quote]a guy who has not moved past adolescence.
An apt description of the average audience member for this show.
- Carol sure will be relieved that there is now a single lesbian on the game out there.
- Judith was last seen with Lizzie and those other girls so she could possibly be with Tyreese. Also,I did not see any remains of Judith near the carrier. I don't see how a walker could have unsnapped the restraints on her carrier anyway.
- So what about Herschel's head? Isn't it just going to roll around and growl now? good grief. I hope someone shoots the poor thing.
- And how comes we don't see any baby walkers around?
- r442, Carol was banished (which in this world is essentially a death sentence) for making a bold independent decision. Men on the show who have killed people do not get punished like that.
- I missed a few episodes. Why did Carol get banished?
- Killing people before they infected others and cause more deaths
- Great episode. As much as I hate the governor, I love David Morrissey and I'm kind of sad that he's not coming back.
- Good point, R453. Hadn't thought of that. Perhaps because they couldn't walk in the first place. Crawlers? As for infants, they'd be stuck in their cribs or whatever.
Of course, most of the babies probably got chomped up as snacks.
- "And how comes we don't see any baby walkers around?"
Babies can't walk. .
- [quote] Kirkman has always come off as a immature douche with an only slightly veiled hatred of women.
Re-watch the last episode of Talking Dead, just to see HOW MUCH of a douche he is. He couldn't stand the fact that Scott Wilson was getting asked so many questions, and basically commandeering the show through his intellect and charisma, so every chance Kirkman had, he would make bored faces at the camera as if he were saying "shut the fuck up, already!"
Kirkman is a child in an adult world. He's probably a creative director for the show, but that's a HUGE mistake. He doesn't have the mental capability to translate his comic book into a television show, and he so much as admitted it on Talking Dead.
[quote] There’s a deep commitment and emotional investment that happens when you create something that is very near and dear to you, and when that is torn asunder by sociopaths who don’t give a shit about your feelings or the feelings of your cast and crew … that doesn’t feel good.
That was a direct shot at Kirkman and the other execs, including "Principal" Gale Ann Hurd.
How funny that Darabont described EXACTLY the emotion that Scott Wilson and Lauren Cohan displayed on Talking Dead. He fucking nailed it.
They were both so sad and emotional, and Kirkman just sat there and made immature faces at the camera.
I think that sociopath is the perfect word for the people in charge of Walking Dead.
But hey, at least Hyundai and Blue Moon Beer Company are happy, right?
- I don't think Judith is dead. If she is they should have shown some evidence, like bloody, torn up baby clothes. She's with the kids on the bus. They were the last to be seen with her and they're smart enough not to ditch her out in the open during that battle.
If she IS dead then that's just more shoddy storytelling and a big fuck you to the viewers.
- Tyrese taking off with Carol's kiddie krew and Judith would make a lot of sense. No way those little bad-asses ditched a baby in the middle of a war zone with walkers everywhere. It would set up an eventual reconciliation between Tyrese and Carol. Whoever pointed out that Tyrese owes Carol for his life since she trained the kids who saved him how to use firearms is onto something.
- At this point this show just seems to be one big miserable, sad cycle.
It's been fun with the zombies and such but as others have said, it's getting overwhelmingly depressing to watch.
Next season will be more of the same I suppose. If there is no promise or even hint of some form of redemption toward the end, what's the point in watching unless you're a masochist? It's just human sorrow and suffering really.
When do we think they'll wrap the series up?
- Holy shit R441 needs a psych ward, STAT!
- No, R464. R441 is dead on (excuse the pun). Kirkman is a serious misogonyst with arrested development issues, to boot.
- [quote] Kirkman is a serious misogonyst with arrested development issues, to boot.
But there have been no rapes on the show. Even Days of our Lives have had more rapes than this show!
- R465, you and R441 (if you're not the same troubled person) have trolled these threads since the beginning of the series complaining about how evil men are to women, how "misogynistic" the program is, etc. etc. fucking etc.
Why would you continue to watch? Are you just as outraged over how men are portrayed stereotypically? Do you become incensed over how men are discussed on many of the morning female chat shows? No?
Why not learn how to use a remote if you don't like the program? Use that time instead for counseling and working on the serious misandrist hate you have and whatever other daddy issues you have.
I doubt seriously any evil man is holding a gun to your head or, you know, threatening to rape you if you don't watch the show. Just turn it the fuck off already.
- R467, I am just calling a spade a spade in regards to Kirkman. We are discussing all issues regarding TWD on this thread, and let's face it, this show does not really have very many strong female characters. That is a fact and some of us want to discuss this.
Also, don't think that an asshole like Kirkman would handle gay men on this show any better, though there was a gay couple in the comic - though it could be construed as the typical jailhouse bitch thing. Of course, lesbians are present because all douchebag straight guys love to fantasize about two women getting it on.
- Watching Talking Dead right now. Kirkman just said the word homage and prounounced it HOME-age.
- I myself thought Kirkman was making the strangest facial expressions during Talking Dead. At one point, with Lauren blubberin' and Scott being not the most talkative "legend" actor, I kinda felt sorry for Hardwick.
I think the plotlines are limitless right now - they could do a few interesting episodes on Michonne at this point. I don't see why fans think the show has reached a dead end or jumped the shark. It can go in a million different interesting directions now that the guv is dead and they're out of the prision.
Admit will miss sexy eye patch. Sue me.
- I wonder why Scott Wilson had his arms crossed during the first few minutes of the Walking Dead. Was he cold or just uncomfortable?
Kind of hated Kirkland.
- I hate that smug, fat little bitch Kirkland.
I'm torn between being hardcore and wanting Judith dead and wanting her to be rescued and safe in the arms of baby-averse Michonne. That would also provide the basis for a Rick/Michonne hookup on down the line.
- I wonder if zombies take shits. They eat, so they gotta shit. Man, zombie farts gotta stink hella.
- Does anyone know if they completed filming season 4 last summer? I was wondering if they shoot the whole season all at once or divide the shooting in to parts 1 and 2.
- [quote] there was a gay couple in the comic - though it could be construed as the typical jailhouse bitch thing.
It was definitely a jailhouse bitch thing, in the comic when Rick's gang arrives, half of the "gay couple" claims he was always straight and rejects his former "bitch," who is actually gay. The comic book audience is typically homophobic, and it sounds like the Walking Dead comic played into that, but nothing is preventing the show from inventing new gay characters. They've already diverted considerably from the comic I'm sure, and it's not like it's sacrosanct "literature" that has to be followed to the tee anyway. The show can, and should, rise above it, especially where treatment of minority characters is concerned.
- Kirk Acevedo nude in Oz.
- Having a baby on a show like this is a logistical and narrative nightmare.
Let the baby stay dead.
- I remember being really upset when Acevedo purposefully cut his face on OZ. He was so putty, I didn't want to see him all scarred up.
- R478 Damn, Kirk Acevedo hasn't aged a day since he was on Oz. Wow.
- That whole Herschel beheading scene was truly shocking to me. I never thought they'd go there in such a graphic way because of who Herschel was. That being said, it's time they did a big bang-up and moved this story along. I'm also glad the governor is dead. I just wish his death would have been more severe.
- It was shocking to me when I read it. Specifically because, as I understand it, Michone was there right next to Herschel, right? Why wouldn't the Governor kill her to make his point? He said he liked Herschel. And he hated Michone. Bad storytelling. The kind of thing that only makes sense in the writers' room.
- r481, my take on it is he wanted to torture Michonne more slowly once he took over the prison (which never happened).
- Maybe they'll show Herschel's severed zombie growling head as the opening of the new spring season.
- I think r477 is right. They had to get rid of Judith to move the story along. They would have a very difficult time keeping her alive anyway with all of them scattered and wandering around in the zombie infested woods. No formula or diapers. Her crying would attract the walkers to their hiding places. It would make it difficult to fight holding a baby. One can assume that Tyreese is the lone adult with the trio of little witches. Did any of them make it to a car? Also, we don't really know if the Gov is dead. Neither of the sisters was a crack shot. Lilly could have missed. And if he managed to get the gun from her he wouldn't. I have a feeling the big WTF moment is that the Gov is still alive but Judith is not. Also, Kirkman said in an interview that it is necessary to get rid of the moral center to move the story along in interesting ways. It looked to me like he relished offing Hershel and was annoyed with the emotional reaction by the fans and the other cast members for doing so. He really came off as a douche on the Talking Dead. Made more evident by the class act that is Scott Wilson and the real emotion displayed by Cohan of losing her "dad" and having to say good bye to her good friend and fellow castmate.
- [quote]Also, we don't really know if the Gov is dead. Neither of the sisters was a crack shot. Lilly could have missed.
Lilly could have, but I don't Michonne did.
- don't THINK Michonne did, that is.
- Unless the Gov was shot in the head, he will become a walker.
- Michonne ran him through with the Katana and left him alive. Either to die and turn or become Zombie chow. He was still alive, writhing on the ground, when Lilly took the shot, r485. I think it's telling that we didn't actually see the Gov dead with a bullet in his head. Yes, the last shot of Lilly firing the gun was a dramatic way to end the episode but I think there is more to it. Just a hunch.
- Judith *might* be dead. That's an open question.
The Governor *is* dead. I don't think that's in question. Even if Lilly's shot missed his head and he comes back a zombie, big deal. He's not The Governor anymore. He's just another dumbass zombie.
- Aren't you assuming that he died from the gut wound, r489? What if he didn't? And Lilly missed the head shot? Anything is possible. And I think they want to come back with a bang. If the Gov managed to survive that would certainly be a bang. Just riffing on what ifs.
- Off topic, is Scott Wilson family? Never married and lives with his 99 year old mother. It would be cool if he was.
- I don't think the Governor is dead. This stupid show has a reason for showing off-character "deaths." And I believe Morrison signed a contract--as a regular--for the full season.
- Yes, this is why I am suspicious too, r492. Morrissey said in an interview that he wants to make it to season five. And he had a mischevious smile when he said it. Also he kept saying that the producers have told him that TWD is "his show". And, to get the nasty name calling troll in a tizzy again, the IMDb for Morrissey lists him in episodes for 2013-2014. Someone said this is just for contractual reasons but what if he really is still on the show when it comes back for Part 2? Kirkman seemed so smug on Talking Dead, like they have a real ace up their sleeves, and no one will see it coming. And I don't think it's the question of whether Judith is alive or dead. Personally, I like Morrissey and I think he did a great job with the character. If he's still around to stir the shit I won't mind. I know I'm in the minority of TWD fans.
- If the Governor isn't dead, then I'm done with this show.
- I don't think they take our feelings into account when they plan the story arcs for this show. The ratings are off the hook and they keep attracting new fans. If Kirkman and Gimple want the Gov to still be alive then they won't care if they lose a few old ones. That's just the way this show rolls. And as long as they keep production costs down AMC couldn't give a shit either way.
- Morrissey could be shown as still working in 2014 if they show the Gov. in flashbacks or someone's dream/nightmare imagery.
- Morrisey would be driving a katana through his own career if he agreed to appear on this show as a zombie. That would put him in the category of the $50 a day extras TWD hires to play the undead. No agent in his or her right mind would permit it.
- He won't show up as a zombie.
- R497 even if he plays a zombie, he maintains his current salary.
- I'd be shocked, shocked if an actor about to be killed off a TV series was misleading about his future and if, at the same time, an internet database that can barely maintain accurate information about past episodes, was somehow inaccurate in speculating on his appearance in future ones.
- Well, that is the logical way to look at it, r500. Some of us just have fun speculating on what might happen and are intrigued with what conspires behind the scenes. Yes, Morrissey probably was being playful in that interview and perhaps being deliberately misleading so as not to spoil anything for the fans. Or The Gov may still be alive. You have your theories about the grass. It's all good:)
- Who remembers Morrisey's hot nude ass in that otherwise awful BASIC INSTINCT 2?
- It's not very hard to figure out that the Gov is dead and Judith is alive. They've already explained that this season will try and follow the comics more closely. The way the finale went down was as close to the comics as this show has done in years.
The first half of this season was done simply to establish Hershel as the true heart of the prison group, and to end it with the gang realizing they had to abandon the prison, and without Hershel, the group is that much weaker. I think thats why the gov killed him and not Michonne. The prison group would've been sad over her death but not to the point of becoming hopeless like they did with Hershel.
The Gov is dead because they are now moving on to a new story. Them leaving the prison and I guess heading to DC. In DC, there's another nasty villain waiting for them.
Tyrese goes with the girl. Bonds with them, and they tell him about how Carol taught them to defend themselves and how much they miss her. Eventually, Carol shows up again and this is when Tyrese finds out the truth: Psycho teen girl killed David and Karen, and a guilt ridden Carol, dragged their bodies and burned them. She feels responsible because of how she basically told psycho girl to do it, so she took the blame.
Judith is alive, and either, Michonne finds her and takes care of her (also allowing them to go into her background which they hinted at earlier and Judith was part of that) or whoever the person feeding rats and flaying rabbits took her. Anyway, by end of season when most of the gang starts reuniting, Rick and Carl will get her back.
The prison story is over and so is their main villain. Time to move to the next stage and to the next super-villain which will be just as nasty if not more as the Gov.
- I think some of you are assuming Robert Kirkman controls the TV show.
He does not.
AMC execs chased out Darabont and Mazzara -- who are both control-freak cunts in their own way -- not Kirkman.
I do agree the Kirkman is smug and annoying, but a lot of people in comics have a similar personality.
- I agree with r494. The injury Michonne inflicted would probably not have been survivable if it occurred in the ER of a trauma center. If he comes back it's as a zombie or as a dream or flashback.
- If Judith is dead it's Rick's fault. If he hadn't banished Carol she would have been outside fighting while Beth saved the baby.
- I would hazard a guess that most of us who watch the show have never read the comics and don't know what is coming next. I thought I read an interview with Gimple that said they were happy because they were going to be able to go in a direction completely away from the comics. A question for those of you who have read or do read the comics. Was Judith a character in the comics and did she die? And how did the Governor die in the comics. Thanks.
- R507, I read the graphic novels only up to the prison showdown between the governor and Rick. Judith dies. If I remember correctly, she wasn't eaten by walkers, but she was squished to death. I think her mother Lori (who was still alive) falls on her as she's shot dead by one of the Governor's people.
But it really doesn't matter what's in the comics, because at that point (the prison/governor showdown) Andrea is still alive, Dale is still alive and I think Glenn died during the prison showdown in the comics as well.
- Oh I also wanted to say that the Governor is most definitely dead, but if there's a chance of him coming back, maybe it could be a Land of the Dead situation? If anyone remembers that George Romero movie, zombies essentially started "thinking" albeit in a limited capacity, but they become "conscious" to a degree. That actually would be terrifying.
- I like your suggestion, R509. I would love to see the zombies become more evolved in the sense that they just aren't staggering around anymore. Maybe a hybrid zombie/survivor - especially since we now know that everyone carries the disease. Maybe someone who dies only goes half-way in to zombie-dom.
- They introduced the Hoard when they killed Shane. As Rick and Carl are walking back this mass of zombies come running for them. They never brought it up again. I like the evolution of the zombies in Warm Bodies - where they evolved into more aggressive killers who attacked the slow walking zombies as well.
- In the comics, Lori is shot while carrying baby Judith.
The bullet goes through both of them.
A classic twofer.
- I'm watching Mob Story and Dale and Shane are on that show. I wonder if there is some truth to the rumor that anyone loyal to Darabont was eased out of TWD. The actors who played Shane, Dale, Carol and Andrea were in his films and he brought them all to TWD. Makes me wonder since Andrea and Dale are still alive in the comics. Anyone have any hot skinny?
- r507 Judith is in the comics but she and Laurie die in the assault on the prison by woodbury. Michonne kills the Governor for his torturing of her when she was captive again this all took place in the woodbury time.
The fact that they killed Andrea and Carole is alive is so divergent from the books so other than bones of concepts they are not going to be the same. Meaning this first half season? it is Kind of what should have happened in the woodbury assault but it appears they wanted to drag out the Governor longer - probably because he was such a good character to hate.
- They also showed the horde in the scene where the car carrying Tyreese, Bob, Michonne and Daryl gets stuck on the prone bodies of the walkers they ran over. It looked massive. Much larger than the one that descended on the farm. Where the hell did they go? Since they can't think the idea that they just walk in a tight formation down the road is ridiculous. They must wander off into the surrounding woods. Why aren't they overrunning the prison by now? I know Daryl said the Vet College was fifty miles away but still. I guess it doesn't make sense to think too much when watching TWD.
- R499, salary wouldn't be the issue. His role would be diminished - again, the sort of part an extra would play - and no actor worth his or her salt would agree to do that.
- Okay, you've convinced me that the Gov is not merely dead but really most sincerely dead. Kirkman said on TD that the characters that the audience is emotionally vested in are given "memorable deaths". I guess since the Gov was a polarizing and despised character he got an off screen death. And of course, dinner for eight.
- R513: Andrea is still alive in the books. Dale is not. He was partially eaten by canibals, but kept alive, only to die later. This was while the gang was on the farm. Rick and Michonne were tortured by the Governor (Rick lost a hand). Andrea and Dale also hooked up in the books (seriously). Sophia is also still alive in the books, being "adopted" by Glenn and Maggie. As said upthread Carol offed herself in the books. At this point in the books they head north towards DC.
- I'm telling you, the Governor is alive. Off-screen death of major villain = he's still alive.
- Let's not forget Lilly is a nurse. Maybe she used her medical expertise to save his life.
- Why would she save him after shooting him in the head, r520? How would she save him without medical equipment and how could she move him to safety alone. She's a tiny woman. And she doesn't know the layout of the prison to know to take him to the cellblock. Plus, more and more walkers have been attracted to the area from all the gun fire. Don't want to rain on your parade but it seems implausible.
- R521 you seem to be a new viewer to this show.
- Mr Jesus will allow the Governor to return.
- R521 watch the ending of the Zombie film 28 days.
If that black chick could save Cillian Murphy at the end, anything is possible.
- Lilly and her cute lesbian sister are going to join up with Rick's group. Neither one of them were really part of the shoot out in a meaningful way, and now that Rick's group has no one with any medical background, they'll be able to use her.
I loved this theory:
[quote]Eventually, Carol shows up again and this is when Tyrese finds out the truth: Psycho teen girl killed David and Karen, and a guilt ridden Carol, dragged their bodies and burned them. She feels responsible because of how she basically told psycho girl to do it, so she took the blame.
The older child is fucked up beyond belief and was already shown playing with zombies. She was definitely the one feeding them rats and shit and I can TOTALLY buy Carol covering for her, although they showed flashbacks of her doing it.
- I'm watching In The Heat of The Night and Scott Wilson reminds me a lot of Lee Pace. He was also a terrific actor when he was young. A real talent. I wonder why he stopped acting for so long?
- I have been watching since season one. Not a TWD virgin, r522. I am one of the few who thought the Gov might still be alive but after reading more thoughtful posts I am convinced he's a goner. Unless Lilly is as useless as her sister is with a gun and missed the kill shot. He would still have to get up and run with that gut wound. And where would he run to? Naw, the Gov is dead. A more probable scenario would be for Lilly and her sister to be taken under Michonne's wing since Lilly finished off Philip. And the sister wasn't part of the fire fight and Michonne would know that too.
- Even if Lily missed, the Gov was doomed. Those walkers would have devoured him, which would also have been a more fitting death for him.
- I know this will probably never happen on the show, but I would like to see Rick's gang go to a major city like DC so we could get the full zombie-apocalypse affect, and it would look really cool too. Of course, AMC is so stingy I doubt they'd spend the money for that kind of thing.
- I wonder what will happen to Darryl. I really thought he was a goner in the last episode, but then you see him propping up a walker as a shield. Nothing ever gets him. It'll probably be just him alone in the end - especially since he's not in the comic books. Though, I would love to see a love interest for Darryl. I want to see some hot Darryl sex scenes!
- Darryl has had no storyline this entire season
Darryl fans are not happy.
- I wonder why that is, R531. As we know, Darryl/Norman Reedus has a plethora of fans and he is really well-liked by cast and crew of TWD - they all love him. Any producer worth his/her salt would develop that to the hilt to propel the show. But this ass-backwards producing/writing crew aren't utilizing the character at all. WTF?
- Even Tyreese a second string character has had more of a storyline than Darryl
Darryl fans are really in an uproar by his lack of storyline. He has had absolutely nothing to do all season.
- rumor has it Darryl make get a same sex story line coming up
- I would kill or die to see a Daryl, Rick and Glen threesome. Yum.
- I'll miss those communal showers at the prison.
- I'm pretty sure they'll hook Lily up with Rick.
Richonne is NEVER gonna happen.
And I'm also very concerned for Daryl.
Don't know if he'll make it to another season.
- [quote] And I'm also very concerned for Daryl. Don't know if he'll make it to another season.
When they don't give you a storyline, that is cause for concern.
- There are eight more episodes to go so there is a good chance that Daryl is going to get a lot more screen time. Besides, he's with Beth and there seemed to be an attraction there so who knows where they are going to take his story. I wouldn't really care for that pairing. Beth is too much like Carol. He needs someone strong and kick ass like Michonne as a partner. We all know they are never going to give him a gay storyline.
- If the show continues to follow (loosely) the comic, they should be on the road for the rest of the season. Heading towards D.C.
A couple more major characters will be added.
- R540 when will Darryl get a storyline?
- r541, There is no Darryl in the comic.
And Carol is long dead and Sophia and Andrea are still alive.
So your guess is as good as anybody's.
- A very good friend of mine worked on TWD this season and I know what's coming up for Daryl and a few others. Spoiled me about the baby, but she agrees the baby may not be dead and that it's open ended.
I can tell you guys what will happen to Daryl if you want. It's not same-sex, but he is getting a storyline.
Richonne isn't happening either.
- Spill, r543.
- Please spoil away!
- If you post SPOILERS please put them in a separate thread. Thank you.
- SPOILER -
after the prison Rick, Carl and Michonne come across Kirstie Alley eating a half dead human. Rick shoots her only to realize she is not a zombie..just fat.
- I'm not a prime time member and it's not a big enough spoiler to occasion its own thread so it's all good.
- Here's a trailer of the upcoming winter season which begins February 9.
- If Daryl isn't getting a gay storyline, then who wants to hear what happens to him?
Daryl has left with Beth, which is the pairing. It's like real life: Reedus' girl friends are 19-20
Carol is back, meets up with Tyrese, which will work itself out in a touchy feely way
Rick is really sick. Whacko son becomes his protector
I hate the Guv and resent he got 2 eps Lizzie got 1 or 2
Daryl & Michonne won't happen. Look what happened with Tyrese and Karen. One will have to die
- I don't know about Daryl and Michonne NEVER happening. The actors want it to happen and I think they're playing a slow burn with it, but R551 is right about all the other upcoming spoilers. That's who Daryl hooks up with this season - Beth. Daryl, it turns out, is very inexperienced.
- If they hook Daryl and Beth up, I'm pretty sure I'm done with this show.
I don't give a fuck if the actress is 28 IRL.
It still is gross.
- R553 since Carol came out as a lesbian, who else are they going to pair Darryl with?
- Did not read the spoiler but have a feeling they are going for Daryl/Beth. She is so bland that I have no interest in her, I would rather he hook up with somebody else.
- Don't be so negative r553. And this coming from someone who opposes to older males dating late teens (19-20), but if the person is in mid-twenties like Beth than cool. Plus, if they do hook up than that'll mean she's dead by the finale!
- I don't think Beth is mid 20's, I think she's in her late teens
- Maybe Carol and Michonne will hook up. You know, when Michonne finally gets over her ex, Andrea.
Rick will lose his hand like in the comic; obviously it is not going to happen because of the governor
The cannibals do show up, towards the end of this season two major characters will be gone
Ass kicker is not dead, but she will be at the season finale
Carol obviously turns up, she will be responsible for killing a major character who was not bitten
Daryl and Michonne are not hooking up; neither is Rick and Michonne
Don't hold your breath for any same-sex romances; but the continued presence of the lesbian
As you could probably guess, the people on the bus do not get very far before they run into trouble. Flat tire causes driver to lose control. They flip, attract walkers, Glenn does not survive.
Interesting twist is the introduction of a new villain played by a big name FEMALE movie star, which producers had previously strayed away from for various reasons.
- That is some good s**t, Es Broma!
- Which one is Beth again?
- [quote]They flip, attract walkers, Glenn does not survive.
NOOOOOO!!! I like Glenn. He went from a comic book reading, pizza delivering geek to getting a chick and kicking zombie ass.
- Well, if Glenn dies then his girlfriend must be pregnant, too.
- Scott Wilson, if I am not mistaken, was in Capote's "In Cold Blood"?
- I kind of hope that Darryl Dixon dies soon. He didn't really have a storyline this season, though spoiler upthread talked about a relationship with one of the youngins - which would just be plain weird as the character is supposed to be what? About 18 years old?
I'm just tired of all the Darryl hoopla with all the fangurls. Norman Reedus is basically a C-level actor (on a good day)who got really, really lucky. Who thinks he'll disappear into straight-to-video obscurity once his character is killed off?
- A lot of the hype for Darryl is that he doesn't have the comic book expectations baggage and most importantly, that he's written as a superhero (using a zombie as a bullet proof shield?)
A lot of comic book fans were excited for Tyrese, but the TV show has not given him the comic book's superhero treatment (being saved by children)
- To all of you folks bitching about Daryl and Beth getting together: How old is Daryl supposed to be. Thirties? If Beth is around 18 and the human population is decimated then of course age differences are meaningless. Who else is there to fuck and procreate with?
That's what would happen in reality. I remember some Armageddon-type mini-series from the 70's (I think George Kennedy was in it) about a group of survivors of a nuclear war going to the Arctic?? They drew straws to see who would spend the night with the women of childbearing age, even the married ones. Age didn't matter. This would go on until she was pregnant, sleeping with different men so no one knew who the father was, thus making each man protective of the child since he could be the father. Anyone else have any recollection of this?
- I do not think all the bitching is entirely about the age difference. Emily Kinney is a really bad actor and Norman Reedus is just okay as Darryl Dixon. It would make for a really weak pairing, character-wise. Whereas, Darryl and Carol would have been much more interesting.
- The poster with the spoilers at R559, signed off as "Es Broma" which loosely translates to "it's a joke".
- Agreed, R568.
We've both seen Carol and Daryl lose a lot of the past few years. Carol's lost her husband and daughter and Daryl lost his brother. They're both wounded survivors, we as the audience are invested in them and a love story between the two would've given this bleak series a glimmer of hope, which it's desperately lacking right now.
- Couldn't one of them have a wet dream about the other, at least?
- [quote] They're both wounded survivors, we as the audience are invested in them and a love story between the two would've given this bleak series a glimmer of hope, which it's desperately lacking right now.
The producers would say they have done that with Glenn and his girlfriend.
Clearly with Carol coming out as a lesbian, there was really nowhere to go with her and Darryl.
- Sawyer from Lost was a lot hotter than Daryl and I thought he would do big things after Lost. Don't hold much hope for Norman Reedus.
Beth is just bland and annoying, to me it's not the age difference but her personality.
- [quote] Sawyer from Lost was a lot hotter than Daryl and I thought he would do big things after Lost.
He was in Mission: Impossible- Ghost Protocol and did two other features. He also has a new series in 2014.
- Yes, r564. He played Dick Hickok. I always thought he was gay but he's been married for 36 years. Huh.
- I agree with your assessment of Reedus' acting skills but Daryl is one of the more interesting characters on the show and doesn't over act like Andrews, r565. I think he is well aware of his limitations as an actor and never sounds like the adulation goes to his head. He also lived an interesting life before TWD. His baby Mama is Helena Christensen! I like him.
- What I can't believe is that Norman Reedus lives in a penthouse off of Houston St. Where the hell did he get that kind of money?
- I paid him $500 this past Saturday for a little cuddle.
- [quote] Where the hell did he get that kind of money?
he gets spousal support from Helena Christensen
- Well, he modeled and has been an actor for several years. First movie was Mimic and he was in the original Boondock Saints. I guess he gets paid well for TWD. He plays a hillbilly on the show, but in real life, he's a die hard New Yorker. Oh, and he gets to hang out with U2. Nice life.
- my response was for r577. Should have stated that.
- He really does get spousal and child support from Helena C., though. He's had full custody of their terribly named but very beautiful child, Mingus, since their split when he was 2. There are recent pictures of the three of them hanging out, though, so it seems like they have a good relationship, which is nice for the kid.
I've actually met Norman Reedus a few times. He's very smart and funny and shamelessly flirty in a non-sleazy way. It was lost on me, because I'm a lesbian, but I could see how it makes the straight girls' panties fly right off, and I can see why he keeps getting work despite being a mediocre actor at best. He seems beloved by his castmates, too.
- Thanks for the gossip, R582. He does seem down to earth and nice. And I really don't think Norman only dates 20 year olds - just every fairly pretty female he can get his hands on. There are stories about him taking fans back to hotel rooms. So it is fairly safe to say that he's EOE.
Do you know anything about Helena, R582? Is the story of her having this longterm relationship with Ali Hewson true??
- [quote]I guess he gets paid well for TWD.
He makes $80,000/episode. That's good money, but not a whole heck of a lot.
- 80,000! That much from the cheapos at AMC? And when is 80 grand per episode not a whole heck of a lot?
- What decade are you writing from, R585? And remember that TWD is a top-rated show and Daryl Dixon is not on every episode AND there are only 16 episodes per YEAR.
Here is what some various actors make:
Peter Dinklage ‘Game of Thrones’: $150,000 per episode
Claire Danes ‘Homeland’: $250,000 per episode
Michael Weatherly ‘NCIS’: $250,000 per episode
Robin Williams ‘The Crazy Ones’: $165,000 per episode
Jason Segel ‘How I Met Your Mother’: $225,000
Ashton Kutcher ‘Two and a Half Men’: $750,000 per episode
- Peter Dinklage is criminally underpaid, judging from that list.
- Peter Dinklage is also on an HBO show, which like AMC, is notorious for not paying any actor a large salary compared to network TV.
- And Ashton Kutcher is criminally OVER paid. Cryer carries that show on his shoulders now. Which is why Kutcher rarely does more on this show than have a conversation in the kitchen with Cryer to clarify plot points in case you tuned in late. Say what you want about Sheen but he was funny and the show was worth watching when he was the star.
- Dinklage is paid by kilogram.
- R586, you're comparing apples to oranges. All of the other salaries you listed are from pay networks or network tv. They can afford to pay. The basic cable shows don't and there have been plenty of complaints about AMC including the fact that AMC would rather overpay the Mad Men people than the WD folk, so you don't need to be an ass about it.
- MAD MEN requires a level of acting that, let's be honest, WALKING DEAD does not. From a business standpoint, they're right not to be throwing huge amounts of cash at the WD cast. None of them is critical to the success of the show. As long as the make-up and SFX folks get paid, they can maintain the current level of quality just fine.
- SHANE! Just saw previews for the Frank Darabont show 'Mob City' - Shane and Dale are both in it. From the small bit I saw Shane looks good in it...
- There wouldn't be a show without that lesbian lady Carol.
- I hear that when Carol comes back she has a cane.
- Bless his little heart, but Andrew Lincoln's gonna bust a blood vessel trying to get that Emmmy nomination that will never come his way.
- Agree, R596. No matter what anyone remotely related to TWD does, they're not getting any Emmys for it. The academy is infamous for ignoring all genre shows and cult hits. Just ask Sarah Michelle Gellar, the cast of "Battlestar Galactica," etc.
- [quote]The academy is infamous for ignoring all genre shows
I know and it just breaks my heart.
- R592 Without Norman Reedus, TWD is a one/two season show. Sorry if DL doesn't like him, but even TWD realizes his value, which is why they're been trying to pimp andy for stardom. Puke.
Reedus created his role, improved on it over four seasons. If he dies (very possible at the end of season) TWD will die
I won't riot. I'll rejoice at Norman's freedom to go back to his art.
- I won't riot, either. I just probably will lose most of my interest in the show, along with the rest of the audience.
TWD's producers are well aware of this. At this point I think Michonne and Daryl are the only characters who may never die on the show, even more so than Rick.
- Reply 600 makes it clear that CAROL IS A LESBIAN!