When did Lucy and Desi's marriage seriously begin to go south?
The love and tenderness between them was obvious early on in the series. The final clip in the Lucy is pregnant episode in which Lucy tears up as Rick sings to her was very real and poignant. However, later, during the final season and into the hour-long episodes, a hard and bitter-looking Lucy looks like she can barely contain her disgust when he touches her. So when exactly did things take a turn for the really bad?
Question: Is the sad old Lucy queen the same one as the sad old Golden Girls queen?
Desi was always a huge poon hound, but I think she just tolerated it like most women did back then. I think when he added the gambling and excessive drinking to the mix and was less than discreet, she got fed up.
Ignore r1 as usual. So clever...so rancid.
I think it is a good question. I know Lucy and Desi split up for a while pretty early in their marriage, but then reconciled. I assumed that the reason then was the reason that eventually split them up for good, he couldn't keep it in his pants. There had to be something drastic that changed in Lucy as time wore on. Maybe she thought he would change after they got their hit TV show and after the kids came, but apparently that didn't slow Desi down at all.
He was influenced by a father who also was unfaithful for most of his marriage and it seems his mother just ignored it. Desi expected the same from Lucy and was surprised that she could not get past his drinking and whoring.
There was sincere affection between them the first few seasons. You can only fake so much of that. Later on, it was obvious they were just going thru the motions to keep the show successful. I think it was Edie Adams, when she hub Ernie Kovacs guested on either the penultimate or final hour-long show, who said that there was so much tension on the set and that Lucy/Desi didn't speak to each other accept in character. She had to sing in the episode, and she barely made it through without crying, evidently.
I'm sad for Lucy.
The umpteenth time Ricky wouldn't let her be in the show.
According to some book I read it was really downhill the third season.
That's when Desi gained weight and dyed his hair black lucy looks very tired
R3 come on, don't ignore R1. He saved up for a long time from his paper route to get the $18 for this.
Viv looked much better than Lucy as the seasons progressed. Lucy gets harder and harder looking and can barely mask her 10-pack-a-day voice.
Everyone on the set was crying during that song, apparently. And it was indeed the series finale; they never appeared as those characters again.
Lyrics & Music by Alan Brandt and Bob Haymes, 1952
[brackets indicate Edie Adams' variation on the song]
I can only give you love that lasts forever
And a the promise to be near each time you call
And the only heart I own for you and you alone
That's all, that's all
I can only give you country walks in springtime
And a hand to hold when leaves begin to fall
And a love whose burning light will warm the winter night
That's all, that's all
There are those I am sure who have told you
They would give you the world for a toy
All I have are these arms to enfold you
And a love time can never destroy.
If you're wondering what I'm asking in return, dear
You'll be glad to know that my demands are small
Say it's me that you'll adore for now and evermore
That's all, that's all
[the following are not part of the original composition and what makes Edie Adams' version so special and unique]
I love you
Yes, I love you
True Lucy did look strained. It was also during that period (3rd season I believe) that L hit Desi on the head with a hammer while screaming "I HATE YOU"
Edie Adams was criminally under appreciated. Gorgeous, glamorous, great singer, funny. She could do it all, but I doubt very few people these days know about her. I really felt sad when I heard she had died.
There was a certain coldness and monotomy to the writing after Jess Oppenheimer left before the final season. The scripts just weren't as tip-top, which I think allowed Lucy's bitterness to more apparently seep into the show. I know, MARY!
I think Lucy looked her best in the episode "Ethel's Hometown" when she, Ricky and Fred are upstaging Ethel while she sings. Very funny episode.
Bad quality video but still funny.
She looked decent in the Hollywood episodes. Although, I always feel a bit awkward when I watch the one where a bunch of starlets show up for publicity stills with Ricky and then Lucy believes that Ricky spent the night with them. It really must've mirrored their real life, except that Desi WAS spending the night away fucking starlets. Did he fuck Joy Lansing?
Yet, there supposedly was still a lot of affection they felt for each other long after their split. I think she always loved him, she just could not live with him.
Haven't we all had a Desi in our lives?
Who was Joy Lansing? One of the starlets?
They stayed friends until the end.
The last time they were ever photographed together, playing with their first grandchild. The voiceover at the end of Desi singing will bring a tear to your eye...
R20, I'm sure they had a "cooling off" period, then were able to be cordial. Time heals.
I think Desi always loved Lucy, but he's the kind of guy who wants a harem- a woman for every mood.
Probably the moment she noticed he was a hopeless cheater.
Didn't they break up before the wedding because of this, then get back together?
Desi Jr also loved the pussy. He got a girl knocked up when he was 15!!!! No one would acknowledge the child until recently.
I think Lucy Arnaz wrote that Lucy and Desi were the love of each other's lives but Desi's womanizing finally broke Lucy's heart and spirit. She said her mother would leave him over and over again but he seduce her back. I think they probably had great sexual chemistry together.
Lucy had multiple abortions in her 20s. She was a good time girl and had no problem throwing the badussy around to get parts.
Did the public at the time realize their marriage was in shambles? Not so much during ILL, but during the hour shows when even Helen Keller could sense there was friction.
I love Edie Adams, but I think her career suffered because she had to do a lot of stuff to pay off the debts she was saddled with after Kovacs died. Remember all of those Muriel cigar commercials she did?
R18 very true
Their deteriorating marriage was the reason Lucy insisted that Desi play Ricky in the TV series.
She had already found great success in the proto-ILL marital sit-com on radio called My Favorite Husband (or something like that) opposite Richard Denning.
But during that time, which was just after both Lucy and Desi were let go from MGM, Desi toured with his band for weeks on end to make a living for his family and Lucy knew he was getting in trouble, unseen by her.
So she only agreed to do ILL if she could keep Desi under control as her producer and costar.
It didn't quite work out!
Desi was absolutely gorgeous in his prime. He probably had beautiful starlets dropping to their knees all of the time.
Plus, he was heterosexual which was kind of nice for a change. (Except for that Cesar (Butch) Romero tryst.)
Joi Lansing was the long haired blond in that Florida episode. In fact, she tells Lucy her real name when introducing herself. She was one of Frank Sinatra's long standing affairs. He paid for all of her medical expenses when she got cancer and eventually died from it.
Most comics lead dreary, sad little lives out of which they've somehow managed to squeeze five minutes of laughs. Lucy was 40 when the show first started. Can't blame her for looking hard and bitter at that age when your husband is paying for it elsewhere. (Wait, didn't Lucy start out taking money for sex. Read that somewhere.)
The marriage had been tense for quite a while, due to Desi's drinking, and whoring. Bob Osborne, who knew Lucy, said that she hated it, but had come to accept it until Desi was caught in yet one more prostitute/ whorehouse situation, on Vista St., in Hollywood, on Sept. 19,1959. At that time 'Vista St.' was synonymous with brothels, and Desi was inside one, drunk, finished his sexing, and was in front, singing, at 1:00 am. So he was booked for what they used to call being a "common drunk" (same thing Norman Maine was arrested for !). Anyway, Osborne said it hit the press, and he, and Lucy, were coming out of the Huntington Hartford Theater, on Vine, and passing a bunch of newspaper racks, and Desi's arrest was the headline on them all. Bob said for Lucy, that was it. She could take the private misery & heartache, but not the public humiliation. She felt he was putting her reputation, and even the sponsors of their show(s), and Desilu's stock, at stake. A few months later, on March 2, 1960, Lucy & Desi filmed their last show (with Edie & Ernie), and the next day, Lucy filed for divorce.
Wow, I didn't realize Desi was 6 years younger than Lucy. How did she manage to snag a much younger guy?
Lucy was born in 1911, Desi in 1917. So, when the series began in 1951, she was 40 and he 34.
On the show, as r35 said, Desi looked 10 years older.
Wow, it's hard to believe Lucy would be 102. I still think of her captured in time in ILL.