Why do hags think they can come to a gay AA meeting that is for men.
Watch what happens when a male tries to go to a "women's" meeting. Oh
OH MY GOD! SAFE SPACE SAFE SPACE... IM not safe with a man here!!!!
Ask him to leave... get him out. There are other meetings....
Yet, there is always one or two hags who can't stay away from a gay mens meeting.
What is their damage?
I had a lesbian AA sponsor years ago. When she was telling her story at a womyn's meeting, she wanted me to hear her, so they had a "group conscience" to vote on whether a man could come to the meeting. She told me afterwards that the vote had almost been a "no," but ultimately I was allowed to attend.
OP, does the listing state men only or does it say it is a gay meeting? I interpret gay as including lesbians.
Because it's very much like the Overeaters Anonymous meetings she normally attends.
Women tend to be irrational. As my cousin used to say "even the smart ones are stupid".
R2. Lesibans want gay to mean that it includes then until they want to bitch that it doesnt include them so the word lesbian has to be included.
It's their crap ass control drama. Why do you think it is LGBT... Because the WOMYN say they are invidible and diminished by "gay" and it doesn't sufficiently include them.
So, if the meeting says LGBT then they should come. If it says gay, stay the fuck out - - or stfu about wanting lesbian added to everything because gay doesnt include you.
hag? womyn? you're so misogynist that it probably sends up red flags to the moon.
they probably go so your panties will get in a twist and it worked!!
Meh. If you really need to go to a meeting, any meeting will do. STFU, OP, and work on your sobriety - not taking other people's inventories.
It is a double standard, but I like the way my specifically labeled gay men's meetings welcome anyone - lesbian, straight, schizophrenic, and/or homeless.
We have had cliques of radical lesbians blow through periodically. They share in some secret code nobody else at the tables understands. Because we have plenty of crazy regulars, nobody pays them much mind and they eventually move on.
I will say that women's meetings seem to gather and disband at a higher rate than others.
lol @ anyone over the age of 8 who says meh
AA is like the Statue of Liberty so anyone can attend.
you dont know shit about AA R12 or you wouldnt say something as ignorant.
Sounds like a few of the queens on this thread are barely holding on to their sobriety.
R6 You in danger, gurl!!!
Don't be ridiculous There are no gay alcoholics. Alcohol has too many calories.
So, r6, when talking about getting out the 'gay vote', it doesn't include lesbians?
They're health workers sent to observe.
"lol @ anyone over the age of 8 who says meh"
This from someone who started a sentence with "lol" and didn't punctuate or capitalize.
R6 is the same troll who started the "Another crying frau-in-training student ..." thread where he talks about being immune to FERMONES (yikes).
The poor chap is clearly quite disturbed.
I know a fair bit about him thanks to Troll-dar, and I can confirm that he has been posting on DL for several years.
Based on his previous posts, I suspect he deeply resents his mother for breastfeeding him well into his teenage years. In this context, his drinking problem (ie., oral fixation) is easily understood.
I'm afraid there isn't much hope for the little guy.
I'm amused by how petty and excluding the AA folk are.
Memo: Joining fucking ALCOHOLICS Anonymous is not like joining Pebble Beach Country Club. The classy folks aren't exactly clawing down your doors, morons.
Man, from the first few responses on this thread I thought this could maybe serve as a replacement for the 'virulent misogyny' one that got deleted the other day. I was really enjoying that shit.
so op is a misogynistic alcoholic college professsor?
[quote]What is their damage?
The damage as you, you damn drunk.
The answer, OP, of course, is that women are cunts who are out of control and insane, and continue to get away with it because straight men will put up with anything in order to fuck them. So the rest of us are left in the wake of their unfillable needs and their unending hypocrisy.
I don't know, OP. I'm not an alcoholic misogynist.
This OP joins the OP of the "Another woman gets away with accusing rape" thread as Datalounge's resident misogynist assholes.
troll-dar r13 and see what I mean.
R27 I wonder if they are #32 from the "Pumpkin Flavored Everything" thread. He is the biggest asshole of the last 24 hours.
Who's the fucking shit-stirrer here?
When I went to a gay AA meeting every Friday night, there were some straight frat-boy types who started coming and checking out the lesbians. I was having a hissy fit just like you queens. I was told emphatically that ANYONE can go to ANY open AA meeting, and that if I was patient, they would move on.
R29, please pass your experience to the group conscience of the womyn only meetings. Find a group of men to go and sit there and make your righteous claim and report back the results.
Maybe the women that show up, want to have a sex change?
Okay, you can have a point without misogyny. Not all women are horrible. I'm a woman, and I agree with you.
If it's specifically stated to be a gay men's group, it is poor form for straights or women to attend. I give them a pass if there is not another meeting they can reasonably attend, though. Everyone needs support and that's why they go. Gently direct them, after the meeting, to other meetings you know of that might fit better (such as ones not labeled GAY MEN ONLY).
If you didn't want to deal with these issues, OP, perhaps you should have refrained from becoming a big, sloppy drunk.
As has been established in other threads here in the past, women are incapable of not making a nuisance of themselves when it comes to anything special to or solely for men.
Men are not allowed to have our own colleges or health clubs etc., but they exist for women everywhere.
Women refuse to acknowledge that in some spaces, men just do not want their presence; that it has nothing to do with misogyny or hate, but that men sometimes need spaces and institutions for them.
Such an idea infuriates women; straight women, gay women, they hate it. As a matter of fact, they're intentional in their disdain for anything unique to, for and by men.
It's the reason that they become an increasingly loathed sex a little more every day.
[quote]Men are not allowed to have our own colleges or health clubs etc., but they exist for women everywhere.
All-male colleges are not categorically prohibited by law. A few traditionally all-male institutions have been forced by law to admit women because they offer some unique experience, course of study, etc. that women could not obtain elsewhere. Most formerly all-male colleges integrated by choice because, guess what, they could no longer attract enough men who wanted to go to college in an all-male environment. And a handful of all-male colleges still do exist today, disproving your claim that they they are not allowed.
As for health clubs, I guess a few gross, downmarket all-women gyms (Lucille Roberts, Curves) do exist, but you'd hard-pressed to call them "health clubs" since I'm not sure they even have shower facilities and such. Beyond that, I can't think of any single-sex health club chains for either gender, but again, all-male health clubs are NOT illegal—you could start your own if you wanted one that bad—so I'd assume their scarcity indicates lack of demand. Which makes sense, because most straight guys probably ENJOY seeing women at the gym, and even most gay guys are probably loathe to join a gym that would attract the likes of you as its most loyal customers. Eww.
R36 makes one item the whole story and then proceeds, after yammering away, to turn the post into what she wanted all along - a cultish personal attack on the poster she was "correcting."
Fuck you, twat. The other points in R35's post are quite accurate. Perhaps as a result of long-term exclusion (giving them the benefit of a doubt), women are reflexively tending towards inserting themselves into many places where their intrusions are more of a "show you" matter than a sign of real interest.
(However, the masons and other fraternal organizations remain pretty much women-free, probably because they have long-established alternative groups for women, are more "older people" organizations lacking in the chance for women to waggle their tits for each other, and require patience and resolve to work through the hierarchy. Women don't want to wait for glory.
A.A.A.A.A. An organization for people who drive drunk.
[quote][R36] makes one item the whole story
It was the only part of the story specific enough to bother addressing. If you really think such silly ass-trumpeting as women are " an increasingly loathed sex a little more every day" merit further discussion, let's at least see a link or some evidence to back up that claim.
[quote]and then proceeds, after yammering away, to turn the post into what she wanted all along - a cultish personal attack on the poster she was "correcting."
No, darlin', if that's what I wanted, I'd have had no problem launching into the personal attack right away; however, the personal attack was also a legitimate point. All-male gyms don't exist because the only "men" who really desire one all that much are people like r35 and it is genuinely hard to imagine the rest of the male gender tolerating a whole gym full of that ilk.
[quote]The other points in [R35]'s post are quite accurate.
No, they aren't, but if you believe that, name one and back it up.
[quote] Perhaps as a result of long-term exclusion (giving them the benefit of a doubt), women are reflexively tending towards inserting themselves into many places where their intrusions are more of a "show you" matter than a sign of real interest.
[quote](However, the masons and other fraternal organizations remain pretty much women-free,
How surprising that the only specifics you can cite relate to groups NOT being invaded by women.
[quote]probably because they have long-established alternative groups for women, are more "older people" organizations lacking in the chance for women to waggle their tits for each other, and require patience and resolve to work through the hierarchy. Women don't want to wait for glory.
As glorious as it might be to be the president of the Moose Lodge, I'm guessing that the real reason women are not trying to achieve that is because it sounds like a tedious fucking BORE.
And now the stupid cunt fraus have invaded the thread.
R40, you're disgusting.
In my experience, most women (except maybe the clingiest hag) will shy away from male-oriented space if it is too eXXXplicitly gay (cruisy, very masculinely sexual, gay porny). A chick has to be pretty non-frauish and ballsy to hang out at a place like the Eagle or Faultline (Los Angeles). I've only ever seen chicks stay for a long time in the aforementioned bars before getting the hint that they are invisible or unwanted.
^ I meant: I've only seen women stay in places like the Eagle for a short period of time before getting the hint.
Bitter faggots, party of...hmmm....40?
R44 = bitter dyke who demands her womyn-only space when it suits her and her only.
Honey, I would NEVER demand woman-only space.
But that's how much you know about me.
OTOH, I know a bitter old queen when I smell one.
Oh, that's the other reason why lesbians sometimes attend men's meetings: anonymity.
If they need to vent about something personal, they might not want the rest of their clique to hear about it.
Men's Groups: just waiting for you to stop talking so we can share.
There has always been a double-standard. Women want there own exclusive female only areas, but will scream bloody murder if they are barred from a male only area.
Example: Curves is a women only health club, but women would object to a male only club.
Women go to the local gay male strip clubs but the local strip club which caters to women has a policy of not allowing men to attend.
My health club (national chain) had a special room with equiptment set aside just for the use of women yet they were also free to use the entire rest of the club. The men were barred from using their area.
Lots of mommy issues on this thread.
How unsurprising - a bunch of men who hate women are also alcoholics.
R40 is an alcoholic.
Maybe YOU don't R44/R46, but don't act like there aren't a lot of lesbians who do want women-only space.
[quote]Example: Curves is a women only health club, but women would object to a male only club.
Once again, this is bullshit. Some guy did start a male answer to the Curves chain, called Cuts Fitness for Men. It was around for a few years and then failed—and not because women complained about it, or the law prohibited it. Apparently, not that many men want to work out in an all-male environment.
I think that is this the real reason you queens are so bitter. You'd love it if other men wanted to cloister themselves in all-male environments with you—but they don't. In fact, the thought makes them kind of sick. You think other men should automatically like and respect you more than they like and respect women, just because you are male. But again, it never happens. And so you are all angry and bitter and twisted that that dick between your legs that is your life's only accomplishment is not bringing you your proper due, and since you don't want to blame your own failings for this, you've decided it's those horrible, interfering cunts who have messed everything up for you.
R53 you sound unhinged and mentally ill. Believe it or not, most gay men don't really obsess about women the way YOU obsess about gay men (on a gay man's message board nonetheless). But since you seem to exalt straight men so much as these shining beacons of chivalry and lovers of women, maybe you are better off spending your time amongst them.
Last time I checked, it was straight men who rape, murder, pump-and-dump and degrade women. Not gay men. Hmmmm, the more I think about it, the more it sounds like the thought of women seems to make straight men "kind of sick" since they keep doing these awful things to you. Maybe you should find a platform to take up these issues with them?
Straight men and all women seem to have very fucked-up issues with each other.
[quote]Straight men and all women seem to have very fucked-up issues with each other.
Your posts indicate that you're a fucked-up match for them.
Sorry R55 that the issues that women have with men is not my problem and I don't feel the need to be involved in that mess.
[quote][r53you sound unhinged and mentally ill.
Blah, blah, blah ...
[quote]Believe it or not, most gay men don't really obsess about women the way YOU obsess about gay men (on a gay man's message board nonetheless).
Honey, you are hardly representative of the typical, normal gay man. The only gay men I addressed in my post are misogynistic bitter queens such as you and a couple others in this thread, and thankfully, you represent a tiny minority of gay men in general, most of whom surely find you as repellant and absurd as I do.
Oh, yeah—Datalounge? Not a gay MAN's message board, btw.
[quote]But since you seem to exalt straight men so much as these shining beacons of chivalry and lovers of women, maybe you are better off spending your time amongst them.
Where did you dream up this steaming load? My post neither exalted nor denigrated straight men, and certainly didn't say anything about their (gag me) chivalry. In fact, I never even mentioned straight men at all; I noted only that most men (i.e. straight and gay) have little desire to cloister themselves in all-male gyms or other all-male environments most of the time. And in fact, I do have plenty of straight male friends, thanks.
[quote]Last time I checked, it was straight men who rape, murder, pump-and-dump and degrade women.
True, but thankfully, they are a small minority of straight men, just as twisted little queens like you are a small minority of gay men. As for taking up those issues, how do you know I don't? As far as I know, not too many rapists and murderers hang out here, so obviously, I won't be addressing them here. YOU, however, do hang out here, so you'll be lucky enough to continue to enjoy my posts just as long as you keep spewing horseshit (and I keep being bored).
R54 You seem to be in massive denial about your own issues. Your posts are like a cry for help.
I like the hags, they tend to be like supportive big sisters. If I were in AA, I'd welcome them.
Every time someone posts "unhinged," it makes me LOL.
[quote]Every time someone posts "unhinged," it makes me LOL.
It's posted so often lately that it just makes me zzzzzzzzzz. It's become about as meaningful as telling someone he's "off his meds," has "mommy issues," or lives in his mother's basement, dining on Cheetos.
But what if someone is all those things? WUT THEN?
Let's just assume that most people who post here are all those things, r62, and start thinking of some wittier and more original ways to insult them.
r53, I wish I could have posted what you did. Thank you very much.
actually, the CURVES location I went to allowed men. They were called Senior Sneakers.
R53 nailed it.
R53? Will you marry me?
By the way, even gay men get more respect from other men than women do, unless they are quite obviously ef**minate. I don't understand why gay men are so fucking greedy.
The "Women are cunts" troll that keeps starting this shit needs to be banned.
Don't like it. Go start your own thread, R68... you miss the point entirely. You come here because we are fun and a lesbian version of DL would be so tedious and unbearable... but you know that, which is why you come here... but start a lesbian site and see what happens...
YOU WILL NEVER SEE A GAY MAN THERE, TRYING TO CRITICIZE YOUR GROUP AND BITCHING ABOUT PAYING $18... NEVER
but you know that.
OP is too good to be in the presence of women, yet not too good to down a plastic jug of vodka and wake up full of vomit and regret.
My alcoholic brain loves it when I grow resentful about who else is at the AA Meeting because the resentment exceeds in strength acceptance and serenity which are my portals to my HP.
Then,in the absence of the obstacles of acceptance and serenity, my alcoholic brain can take over, as it is wont to do, and pretty soon I can have just one...
If there is one thing I got out of repeated readings of Chapter 3 of the Big Book, is that nothing, or noone is a match for my alcoholic brain.
If you are at a meeting with me,thank you. Two recovering alcoholics in communication together with their respective higher power exceeds the strength of my alcoholic brain, reinforces serenity and acceptance and keeps that alcohol out of my body.
Still, I do see where there exists a necessity to have a meeting that can specifically target some issues that most other recovering alcoholic can't relate to because of orientation and/or gender.
I know what I write here contradicts itself but the tone of this thread is so disturbing I needed to share.
good for you della
[quote]Still, I do see where there exists a necessity to have a meeting that can specifically target some issues that most other recovering alcoholic can't relate to because of orientation and/or gender.
Never been an alcoholic/12-stepper, but sure, I can see why a men-only (or women-only, gay-only, etc.) meeting might be desirable and beneficial to participants. And if that's something you want from your meeting, I can understand why you'd feel distressed if people from outside the target group kept showing up and expecting to be included.
It's not the idea that somebody would want to belong to a gay-men-only AA group—or that he'd complain when women intruded— that makes this thread and its OP so revolting. It's the hateful anti-women tone that he set, and a few others gleefully continued.
There's a difference between "Why do women insist on attending my gay-men-only AA meeting? It's disrespectful, and makes it more difficult for me to work on my issues" and "Why do hags and cunts have to exist on planet Earth? I hate them all and will find a new but always tiresome way to express that on DL every five minutes." OP's thread goes in the latter category.