I know there's handful of us here on DL who watch.
I want Chibs in me.. Deeply. Or me in him - either way! He's a sexy motherfucker. Damn. I don't usually get so hot for celebrities or TV characters, but I am terribly in lust with that guy.
I understand that Tara wants her kids out of Charming, but the way she is doing it is total bullshit.
I watched the first few seasons - they were good. But, it just got to gimicky for me and I stopped watching.
The whole rape thing with the Katie Segal (forget her name on the show) was so over the top and stupid.
And law enforcement never seem to catch them doing ANYTHING. At least in the Sopranos, you saw the FBI actively trying to build a RICO case against Tony.
I think Wendy is starting to feel a bit guilty. She may end up outing Tara and her lies.
Why is the way she's doing it bullshit ? At this point I think anything she does to save herself and the kids is A-OK with me.
I hate Gemma so badly but Katey plays the role to the hilt.
I somehow think the gun Gemma gave Wendy will be used to bring her down somehow.
I really want Clay dead as well. Hate him so much.
Juice is not cut out for this life. I fear he will kill himself before all is said and done.
I think Tara knows Wendy is weak and she has calculated that into her plans. I think this will play out until the end of the season where she escapes with the kids.
Is it wrong of me to feel bad for Jax? Bitch mom, bitch wife, dead dad, shirty stepdad, conniving ex wife, the MC imploding, kids about to be whisked away..
Oh, and Venus! Maybe it's just me, but IMO that part is Emmy worthy. He nails it. Beautifully and heart wrenchingly so. It's not a joke character, and I love the way she is treated with respect by the guys. And as it was mentioned on the other thread, how Tig digs her and it's not a big issue with the other guys.
I did have empathy for Jax until this year.
He used to want to get SAMCRO out of the crime business like his father wanted. With Clay in prison I thought he'd be making changes.
Instead Jax is proving to be more like Clay than I ever thought. He set Tig up to be killed and that's a deal breaker for me. He's even become a cheater by fucking the top whore in town. The power has gone to his head.
I love this show. How the hell has Katey Segal not gotten an Emmy?!
I could not believe Jax cheated on his wife after all she went through for him. I hope she and the kids get out of there.
I have been a Tig freak from Episode One, but I am in total lust with August Marks. Just head to toe beautiful. And the voice is perfection. I do hope he sticks around.
Smits deserved an Emmy last year. I hope he gets another look for this season. Goggins, too. Venus is heartbreaking. And really, really pretty IMO.
I love his character. I am so afraid Juice will kill himself before it's all over.
He's not cut out for this type of life.
The actor that plays Chibs got that Black Dhalia/Joker scar, or a Glasgow smile, from a mugging. Aint that crazy!
Yesterday, while watching [italic]Veronica Mars[/italic] reruns, I saw one with Theo Rossi. The high school had been receiving bomb threats, and an ATF agent was posing as a student to investigate. He tried to frame Rossi's character by planting evidence, and Veronica caught him at it. Rossi's character had been a bully in junior high, and one of his victims was behind the threats in an attempt at revenge.
I love SOA. I think they should of had Jax kill Clay a couple of seasons ago. I'm rooting for Tara but I do like Gemma. She seems like she'd be a cool bitch to have as a friend. R12 Hell yeah!
Jax has turned into a murdering thug pretty much like the rest of them. Anyone who gets involved with him usually ends up either dead or in gaol(poor Nero).
He needs to die along with most of them by the series end.
I only want Tig too survive and live happily ever after with Venus.
Gemma knows she's been set up. I'm pulling for Tara, though. Love Venus!! He should be up for an Emmy.
Just had a chance to watch Tuesday's episode. Very shocking-- when Jax blew Adreinne Barbeau's head off and when we finally saw Tara's plan go into action.
I love how these rough and tough men are so kind and nurturing to a transexual.
Pro Tara all the way. I'm just afraid Gemma will be dangerous now that she realizes she was set up.
Lol, R18. So true. When she was being arrested, Gemma looked EXACTLY like Clay did last season after he was set up. Set up by Gemma and Jax.
Here's the thing, though. Tara has learned from the master herself (Gemma). There is NO WAY Tara planned this whole thing without realizing Gemma would figure it out first thing.
Peg Bundy should definitely win an Emmy for playing Gemma. She totally rocks!
It's good they've included a transsexual character but they've never had a gay one.
Shit is starting to unravel and hit the fan. I wish there were more SOA fans here.
Wendy is definitely starting to unravel.
What's the deal with Nero's son?
[quote]What's the deal with Nero's son?
They showed him last season visiting his son at a school for disabled kids. Maybe Lucius is autistic? I'm not sure they said.
I used to be, R24, but then I found out it was based on King Lear with a cycle of 7 seasons. It just got too ugly and I didn't like the infighting.
R27, we know. You've posted that on multiple threads. Now run off and watch something that won't harm your delicate sensibilities.
R28, you're a bit psycho and stalkerish at best. Now you run off.
Back to the actual discussion, I just read that Walton Goggins played Venus and Adrienne Barbeau was his mother. Incredible casting. I guess it is too late to see Venus in action, though. Those episodes are done and gone.
I am so afraid for Tara and those kids. I want them out of this mess . Jax is becoming more like Clay since he assumed the power.
[quote] [R28], you're a bit psycho and stalkerish at best. Now you run off.
Not R28, but I've seen you mention it several times as well. How is that stalkerish? Since we're following SOA threads, of course we're all going to see your SOA posts.
[quote]Back to the actual discussion,
But you stopped watching the show, so there's nothing to discuss with you.
[qiote] I just read that Walton Goggins played Venus and Adrienne Barbeau was his mother. Incredible casting. I guess it is too late to see Venus in action, though. Those episodes are done and gone.
It was great. Too bad you gave up and stopped watching the show. Then again, it may have been a bit much for you. It's probably for the best.
So, the crazy girl with the pipe wrench - who will her mother turn out to have been?
I want Juice to give somebody head before it's over. Charlie is the only white man I ever loved! What a HOT dude!! More Charlie nudity.
RUN TARA, RUN!!
Ok, calm now. I'm wondering if getting Jax to come after her in the end was really her plan from day one. I hope so because she involved too many people she couldn't trust in this fiasco.
Ialso hope that Nero starts to see that Gemma is bad news. Getting involved with SAMCRO has not been good for him.
Some of these cable shows with shorter seasons fly by so fast.
Best show on TV.
Loved last night's episode.
Like R35 said, I think things are sinking in for Nero.
Tara and Gemma are more alike than they want to admit.
i just want Nero far, far away from these people. I have a bad feeling it's going to end bad for him.
Last night's episode was great. Good acting by Smits, Segal and Hunnam. It's a pity the show will never get the emmy love it deserves. Walton Goggins should be a shoo-in for guest actor as Venus, he was terrific in that part.
TemTara all the way. Sh to go underhanded in order to save her children but she'll be crushed for it.
Who do you guys think the teenager's mom is going to be ? That storyline just came out of nowhere.
I agree Nero needs to get away from Gemma.
Lord, I didn't realize how stoned I was last night until I looked at my question in the light of day.
LOL R40. I just thought they were bad typos.
Tara had to know this would be the way things rolled out. It was too flimsy - too easily discovered and unraveled. Of course, if that's what she wanted.....
Who will Tara shoot? Herself, Gemma, Jax, the DA?
[quote] Of course, if that's what she wanted.....
I don't think so.. not at all.
I wish Tara would shoot Gemma. Gemma is such a cunt and Jax always takes her side.
I also wish Tara would tell Jax the truth about what Gemma did to his father.
I'm really afraid Tara may kill herself. She has been so abandoned.
R45, I only started to watch the show two seasons ago, what info is Tara withholding from Jax and why?
Tara found out that Gemma and Clay offed his dad. His dad was wanting to take the club straight.
[quote]I'm really afraid Tara may kill herself. She has been so abandoned.
That would be the next logical progression if they are sticking to the Hamlet formula, as Tara is their Ophelia in this version. I also noticed their use of the song "For a Dancer," which was written by Jackson Browne about his wife who committed suicide. That was Katey Sagal singing on that, btw, and she did a really nice job with it.
Whoops, Jax pissed of CCH Pounder.
Tara has an edge now,if she blows it or goes crawling back to Jax she's to stupid to live.
Nero is too good to be true.
I'm a little in love with Nero.. What do you think he has up his sleeve??
Was anyone shocked about what happened to Clay? Even though he had it coming.
I was so glad Clay finally got what was coming to him. I wanted that bastard dead all of last season.
Sadly, I believe Jax is slowly turning into Clay.
[quote]Was anyone shocked about what happened to Clay? Even though he had it coming.
I thought they would all get in on the action, firing squad style. What I really don't get is why they put their deal with the DA in jeopardy. Now what? So much for settling things so that they can "move on."
So I'm guessing Juice is going to off himself or sacrifice himself for Jax and the club like Opie did.
[quote]Was anyone shocked about what happened to Clay?
Also, I jumped when Jax shot Gaalen. I did NOT see that coming. That shit came out of left field.
[quote] What I really don't get is why they put their deal with the DA in jeopardy.
Same here. WTF? It seems they want it to look like the Irish are the ones who busted Clay out. Like Jax said, he delivered the Irish AND the guns (as he promised). But then Ms Patterson (CC Pounder) was a bitch about it, because they were dead. She wanted them alive. Now she's pissed. Again. She's determined to nail SAMCRO. So, yeah, R55, I have no idea why they put that deal in jeopardy.
And Tara, ugh. I know she has some fans here, but I can't stand the bitch.
I can't stand Tara either. She lived with a violent biker what does she think he does all day, knit? And I love how she keeps talking about both boys being hers. She is not Abel's mother and I don't think ever adopted him so she can't take him away legally. And I am also in love with Chibs. Such a good show.
R53 I wasn't shocked. I just thought to myself "it's about fucking time". Jax should of killed him a few seasons ago. I guess the writers kept Clay alive when the show was renewed. I hoped then that Opie would of shot him.
Any thoughts on how the thing with Wayne Unser being in love with Gemma is going to play out?
I don't know about Gemma and Wayne. He is s nice guy and has bailed her out a bunch of times but she wouldn't want someone like that. Too normal. She only likes the bad boys. What do you think Juice is going to do? Something is up with him.
Basically Gemma is a black widow,every man she loves dies whether she want's them to(John Teller)or doesn't want them to(Clay)so I'm guessing cancer guy is next because he professed his love to her.
I think Juice is toast. The last episode was great.
Season finale HOLY SHIT!!!
Tonight's finale was excellent. I even screamed in 2 places.
Gemma is the meanest cunt whoever drew breath. She has to be killed next year. I'm so afraid the character will never get her due because she's Sutter's wife.
That's what I'm afraid of too R65 that Gemma is untouchable because she's Sutter's wife.
[quote]Gemma is the meanest cunt whoever drew breath. She has to be killed next year. I'm so afraid the character will never get her due because she's Sutter's wife.
Next season is the last one, so it's not only possible, it's highly likely, since her character is based on Queen Gertrude.
I'm so upset Tara was killed. I was crying and heartbroken for Jax. I liked Gemma up until this and its about time she gets hers.
I wonder if Jax will end up killing Gemma when he finds out what really happened.
Holy shit! I did NOT see that coming.
One of the best season finales ever
Wow great heartbreaking finale.
I didn't know they were ending the series but I'm glad to hear it, I don't want it dragging on just because it's been successful.
I have grown to hate Gemma over the last season and 1/2, and cannot wait until she gets hers. What a comedown from her depth and tortured, brittle brilliance in S2!
BUT. Juice? Juice? I want him to die a slow, painful death. He should have taken himself out on that fucking tree, but was just too damn incompetent to manage killing himself. Funny, considering how he is pretty fucking good at killing OTHER people who don't deserve death (by his hand, anyway).
Does he think killing Roosevelt and covering Gemma's involvement in Tara's murder buys him time (or yet another undeserved free pass) with the club?
Does he really believe being Gemma's bitch boy will save him? Gemma will use him then cast him into outer darkness when she's done with him.
Or is he deliberately trying to set Jax up for both Tara and Roosevelt, to "punish" Jax for calling him out as the Betrayer he is?
See, assholes like Juice are why I avoid getting close to weak people. Weak types like him are very, very dangerous when they feel cornered. There is NOTHING they won't do.
Nero better watch his back.
And I don't feel sorry for Jax. He brought most of this upon himself. His biggest mistake was letting Gemma get/stay all up in his business. She's a biker's old lady, FFS, not a Redwood Original; he should have put her in her place when they ousted Clay.
I cannot WAIT for that fine piece of ass Marks to whip Mayan [italic]culo[/italic] next season.
What did it mean when Nero showed up at the sitdown? He had gotten out of the biz and with what's happened the last 2 weeks I find it mind-blowing that he would reenter the biz.
It's obvious the police will think Jax did the killing. What's going to happen? Will Gemma come forward or will Juice tell the truth?
I think Gemma might come forward, she loves Jax and wouldn't make him take the fall for it. Juice is super fucked now and I wouldn't be surprised if Jax kills him once the truth comes to light.
I think Jade will be off the hook. They will be able to tell the gun with his fingerprints is not the one that shot Tara and Eli so he won't have to go to prison. I don't know what Nero is up to except he is mad because Jax had Nero 's girlfriend killed. And Juice may kill himself. I don't know.
R75 Nero's girlfriend was Gemma, not the single mom. Am I missing something?
No Jax had Juice kill the mother of Nero 's messed up kid. He confessed last week when he almost overdosed at the brothel and Nero was helping him. That id why Narrow confronted Jax tonight.
I've never read MacBeth,who in the play dies after Ophelia?
I had no idea that Kurt Sutter and Katey Sagal were married until I read R65 . Until I watched the segment after the finale last night, I didn't know Otto was played by Sutter.
You've been living in a cave haven't you ?
[quote] I don't know what Nero is up to except he is mad because Jax had Nero 's girlfriend killed
That wasn't his girlfriend. Remember the first episode of this season where the kid shot up the school with guns from SAMCRO? The kid's mother was the one Juice killed. Her boyfriend/husband on the show was played by Dave Navarro (Jane's Addiction).
Juice has more lives than a cat. Last season I thought he was going to get killed every single week and he kept surviving. And this season too. Next season he dies. And he dies gruesomely
Jax doesn't know about Juice covering up for Gemma killing Tara (yet), so why did he tell Chibs not to trust Juice?
[quote]Jax doesn't know about Juice covering up for Gemma killing Tara (yet), so why did he tell Chibs not to trust Juice?
I think because Juice told Nero that Jax ordered him to kill the school shooting kid's mother.
Yeah he said "You betrayed me " and Juice looked like he had shit himself.
I don't believe that was Nero's kid that did the shooting. The kid had blonde hair and Nero's kid had dark hair if I remember right.
Nero's son did have very dark hair and, for the poster upthread, he had spina bifida.
Will Charlie Hunnam have a career after this? Am I the only one who doesn't think he's a very good actor?
No, R85, you're not. His acting technique consists of shaking his head, flaring his nostrils, and bursting into a loud voice.
Ha, R85. I agree with you. I like CH fine, but his acting skills should have grown significantly over these last six years. They have not.
And it isn't as though he hasn't amazing role models on-set to learn from. From an acting standpoint, Hunnam is the weakest link. Loads of charisma, though.
Hell, even David Labrava has become fairly accomplished over the years. And he isn't even an actor, really. I was shocked at the quality of his acting in the season finale, while Jax left me cold.
You're kidding, right r78? This show is based on Hamlet, not Macbeth. And it's loosely based, so the parallels are not exact. Ophelia isn't killed by Gertrude, for one.
[quote]I don't believe that was Nero's kid that did the shooting
No it wasn't Nero's kid. The kid's parents were played by Samaire Armstrong and Dave Navarro. Jax told Juice to murder the mother.
[quote] Will Charlie Hunnam have a career after this? Am I the only one who doesn't think he's a very good actor?
go on YouTube and watch him in scenes from Queer As Folk (UK edition). You will not believe it's the same person
I think he's a fairly good actor, although I do notice his British accent coming through a lot more as the series progresses.
Off topic, but could someone start another Walking Dead thread? The other one got to 601 posts and there hasn't been a new one started. TIA!
Sorry I meant Hamlet.
C.C.H. Pounder is one of the best additions to this show and that sit down scene between her and Jax during the finale was one of the best scenes ever. I love her! You better believe her character's coming after SAMCRO with all her might.
I had mixed feelings about Tara's death. I always figured the show would end with Jax finally letting Tara go and allow her to leave Charming with their kids. That said, over the course of the season you could see the character was played out and there was no place left for her to go. Plus, while I thought she was right, her "I'm doing all this for my children routine just got old.
One of the things that this show hits you on the head with over and over again is that there is no "retirement" for these guys and it will make me sad to see Chibs, Tig and Bobby meet some bad end. As far as Gemma goes, I don't see her turning herself in (at least initially) though I'm sure she's in for a big dramatic comedown so Sutter can try to help her win that Emmy.
Personally, I like Charlie Hunman as an actor though he kind of reminds me of Tim Riggins/Taylor Kitsch in that he's very good in that specific role, but maybe not much of a range - but he's hot to look at so who cares!
Charlie Hunnam's voice is fucking intoxicating. I could jack off to that voice alone.
Why did Sutter decide to kill off the hunky police chief that was set up to be Jax's nemesis when the show first started? I don't think any character in this show is going to get a happy ending when it's all over.
R96, are you talking about the 1st/2nd season - a guy named Hale? I always wondered that too since he was set up to be Jax/Opie's nemesis, but that never really went anywhere and he died without much fanfare. I can only assume that the actor went elsewhere/had other obligations and/or pissed off Sutter, thus he killed him off. Even worse, it raised the profile of his creepy brother (Mayor Hale) who is constantly in desperate need of a haircut.
[quote] Why did Sutter decide to kill off the hunky police chief that was set up to be Jax's nemesis when the show first started? I don't think any character in this show is going to get a happy ending when it's all over
There isn't going to be any happy ending on Sons of Anarchy. The character who played the hunky police chief got a full time roll on The Mentalist
I am binge watching SOA on Amazon. Each episode would only be about 15 minutes long if they took out all the hugging. Then take out the extended beat downs and shootings and there would be no show at all.
No R98 not the black police chief Juice shot,I mean the buff white one that was in the show's first season. He was set up to be Jax's big rival on the show then they just offed him in the second season.
Is CCH Pounder a man?
I recently watched the first 5 seasons on Amazon Prime (6 isn't available free with PRIME yet).
I've enjoyed it so far, but you have to know where it's going since it's just Hamlet with bikers.
Hey 102, I am watching it on Amazon prime also.
Fucking BRUTAL first episode! Loved the creepy cover of Bohemian Rhapsody, and how it was used.
Shit is hitting the fan hard!!
Fuck Gemma. Wow, just when I thought she couldn't get any worse. Unfuckingbelievable. And Jax believed her!
Great start to the last season.
Opie was hot.
R105: Karma is a total bitch. I think Gemma is going to have a very gruesome end, which she will richly deserve.
The season premiere was off the chain. Jax is totally dead inside. Whatever goodness he had for Tara and the boys is totally gone.
I have wished death on Gemma ever since last season's finale. I didn't think that cunt could sink any farther but falsely blaming an innocent man takes the cake.
And her twisted rationale of why her actions (Tara) are acceptable is sick and beyond self-serving.
Poor Juice might as well kill himself.
The 9 minute ending with Jax killing that innocent man was beyond determined and brutal. I demand he do the same to Gemma. I have never wanted someone dead so much in my life.
Brilliant use of music at the start of the show and at the end of the show.
R109: Agreed. I think Jax will find out the truth & kill Gemma in the series finale.
Well said R109, as I agree 100%
Kurt Sutter hinted that the ending would be brutal. I hope they don't kill Jax though, I love him. Sutter seems really into violence and shock value, so I wouldn't be surprised if everyone dies.
Can someone pleas tell me when the hell season 6 will be on Netflix?
Gemma killed her husband (Jax's Daddy). Will she kill her son too?
Where the fuck are the SOA fans??!!
Last night's episode was great - things are really ramping up.
Why did Juice go back?
Was one of the guys Jax shot the son of the Selma Charter guy, Jury? Fuck.. Did Jax not know it was his son, or did he just not give a fuck? He has to know there will be blow back.
I'm actually enjoying this as much as (maybe more than) that Breaking Bad.
R115, I don't think Jax knew that kid was his son. I think all this will eventually blow up in his face in the end.
I think Juice is just having a hard time cutting ties with his old environment.
I don't trust Unser at all, and neither should Juice.
Does anyone know what Jax was mad at Juice for prior to Tara's murder? I can't remember.
R116, Juice overdosed on Oxycontin and almost dies, but Nero and Gemma save him. (Gemma sticks her fingers down his throat, to be exact)
In his condition, Juice finally reveals that he killed Nero's cousin's girlfriend Darvany...to a horrified Nero. "I'm sorry," he says. "I didn't want to do it. Jax said it was what I had to do. I'm sorry."
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Recap from a website:
"But Jax has an even bigger storm brewing. After an increasingly remorseful Juice (Theo Rossi) overdoses on Oxycontin at Diosa, Gemma (Katey Sagal) and Nero (Jimmy Smits) come to his aid. When Juice and Nero are left alone, however, Juice confesses in a drugged-out haze to killing Darvany (Samaire Armstrong), the junkie mother of the boy that shot up the school in the season premiere, on Jax's orders. Upon learning the news, Nero, who previously questioned Jax about Darvany's mysterious death, seems hell-bent on revenge. But when he learns of Tara's betrayal of Jax, Nero stifles his own rage and embraces Jax."
I will only watch when Lea Michele shows up.
I can't understand how the character of Gemma can live with all the shit she's been through (gang rape, etc) plus all the shit she's done (killing Tara, etc) and go on like nothing has happened. She's not human.
I think Jax will kill her and then maybe kill himself. That means Abel's real mother (Adrianna!!) would wind up raising the kids which is what Tara asked her to do anyway in case she died.
I agree with you R119. I don't know how anyone could keep their shit together the way Gemma does and not be a total druggy or drunk. She is one tough woman. They don't show a soft side to her which makes me wonder if she is a psychopath maybe?
What I love about this show is that it always manages to surprise me and even shock me. No matter how much of a guys guy I am 99% of the time, by the end of an episode I'm hugging one of the couch cushions like I do when I watch horror movies. When Tara was killed I was actualy watching it through my fingers like my sisters use to do when we watched scarey movies when we were kids.
I am really going to miss this show.
Did anyone get the idea that they were going to make Juice gay? Especially, after the failed episode with the hooker and the overdose. His character doesn't seem like he's into getting it on with a woman.