I know there's handful of us here on DL who watch.
I want Chibs in me.. Deeply. Or me in him - either way! He's a sexy motherfucker. Damn. I don't usually get so hot for celebrities or TV characters, but I am terribly in lust with that guy.
I understand that Tara wants her kids out of Charming, but the way she is doing it is total bullshit.
I watched the first few seasons - they were good. But, it just got to gimicky for me and I stopped watching.
The whole rape thing with the Katie Segal (forget her name on the show) was so over the top and stupid.
And law enforcement never seem to catch them doing ANYTHING. At least in the Sopranos, you saw the FBI actively trying to build a RICO case against Tony.
I think Wendy is starting to feel a bit guilty. She may end up outing Tara and her lies.
Why is the way she's doing it bullshit ? At this point I think anything she does to save herself and the kids is A-OK with me.
I hate Gemma so badly but Katey plays the role to the hilt.
I somehow think the gun Gemma gave Wendy will be used to bring her down somehow.
I really want Clay dead as well. Hate him so much.
Juice is not cut out for this life. I fear he will kill himself before all is said and done.
I think Tara knows Wendy is weak and she has calculated that into her plans. I think this will play out until the end of the season where she escapes with the kids.
Is it wrong of me to feel bad for Jax? Bitch mom, bitch wife, dead dad, shirty stepdad, conniving ex wife, the MC imploding, kids about to be whisked away..
Oh, and Venus! Maybe it's just me, but IMO that part is Emmy worthy. He nails it. Beautifully and heart wrenchingly so. It's not a joke character, and I love the way she is treated with respect by the guys. And as it was mentioned on the other thread, how Tig digs her and it's not a big issue with the other guys.
I did have empathy for Jax until this year.
He used to want to get SAMCRO out of the crime business like his father wanted. With Clay in prison I thought he'd be making changes.
Instead Jax is proving to be more like Clay than I ever thought. He set Tig up to be killed and that's a deal breaker for me. He's even become a cheater by fucking the top whore in town. The power has gone to his head.
I love this show. How the hell has Katey Segal not gotten an Emmy?!
I could not believe Jax cheated on his wife after all she went through for him. I hope she and the kids get out of there.
I have been a Tig freak from Episode One, but I am in total lust with August Marks. Just head to toe beautiful. And the voice is perfection. I do hope he sticks around.
Smits deserved an Emmy last year. I hope he gets another look for this season. Goggins, too. Venus is heartbreaking. And really, really pretty IMO.
I love his character. I am so afraid Juice will kill himself before it's all over.
He's not cut out for this type of life.
The actor that plays Chibs got that Black Dhalia/Joker scar, or a Glasgow smile, from a mugging. Aint that crazy!
Yesterday, while watching [italic]Veronica Mars[/italic] reruns, I saw one with Theo Rossi. The high school had been receiving bomb threats, and an ATF agent was posing as a student to investigate. He tried to frame Rossi's character by planting evidence, and Veronica caught him at it. Rossi's character had been a bully in junior high, and one of his victims was behind the threats in an attempt at revenge.
I love SOA. I think they should of had Jax kill Clay a couple of seasons ago. I'm rooting for Tara but I do like Gemma. She seems like she'd be a cool bitch to have as a friend. R12 Hell yeah!
Jax has turned into a murdering thug pretty much like the rest of them. Anyone who gets involved with him usually ends up either dead or in gaol(poor Nero).
He needs to die along with most of them by the series end.
I only want Tig too survive and live happily ever after with Venus.
Gemma knows she's been set up. I'm pulling for Tara, though. Love Venus!! He should be up for an Emmy.
Just had a chance to watch Tuesday's episode. Very shocking-- when Jax blew Adreinne Barbeau's head off and when we finally saw Tara's plan go into action.
I love how these rough and tough men are so kind and nurturing to a transexual.
Pro Tara all the way. I'm just afraid Gemma will be dangerous now that she realizes she was set up.
Lol, R18. So true. When she was being arrested, Gemma looked EXACTLY like Clay did last season after he was set up. Set up by Gemma and Jax.
Here's the thing, though. Tara has learned from the master herself (Gemma). There is NO WAY Tara planned this whole thing without realizing Gemma would figure it out first thing.
Peg Bundy should definitely win an Emmy for playing Gemma. She totally rocks!
It's good they've included a transsexual character but they've never had a gay one.
Shit is starting to unravel and hit the fan. I wish there were more SOA fans here.
Wendy is definitely starting to unravel.
What's the deal with Nero's son?
[quote]What's the deal with Nero's son?
They showed him last season visiting his son at a school for disabled kids. Maybe Lucius is autistic? I'm not sure they said.
I used to be, R24, but then I found out it was based on King Lear with a cycle of 7 seasons. It just got too ugly and I didn't like the infighting.
R27, we know. You've posted that on multiple threads. Now run off and watch something that won't harm your delicate sensibilities.
R28, you're a bit psycho and stalkerish at best. Now you run off.
Back to the actual discussion, I just read that Walton Goggins played Venus and Adrienne Barbeau was his mother. Incredible casting. I guess it is too late to see Venus in action, though. Those episodes are done and gone.
I am so afraid for Tara and those kids. I want them out of this mess . Jax is becoming more like Clay since he assumed the power.
[quote] [R28], you're a bit psycho and stalkerish at best. Now you run off.
Not R28, but I've seen you mention it several times as well. How is that stalkerish? Since we're following SOA threads, of course we're all going to see your SOA posts.
[quote]Back to the actual discussion,
But you stopped watching the show, so there's nothing to discuss with you.
[qiote] I just read that Walton Goggins played Venus and Adrienne Barbeau was his mother. Incredible casting. I guess it is too late to see Venus in action, though. Those episodes are done and gone.
It was great. Too bad you gave up and stopped watching the show. Then again, it may have been a bit much for you. It's probably for the best.
So, the crazy girl with the pipe wrench - who will her mother turn out to have been?
I want Juice to give somebody head before it's over. Charlie is the only white man I ever loved! What a HOT dude!! More Charlie nudity.
RUN TARA, RUN!!
Ok, calm now. I'm wondering if getting Jax to come after her in the end was really her plan from day one. I hope so because she involved too many people she couldn't trust in this fiasco.
Ialso hope that Nero starts to see that Gemma is bad news. Getting involved with SAMCRO has not been good for him.
Some of these cable shows with shorter seasons fly by so fast.
Best show on TV.
Loved last night's episode.
Like R35 said, I think things are sinking in for Nero.
Tara and Gemma are more alike than they want to admit.
i just want Nero far, far away from these people. I have a bad feeling it's going to end bad for him.
Last night's episode was great. Good acting by Smits, Segal and Hunnam. It's a pity the show will never get the emmy love it deserves. Walton Goggins should be a shoo-in for guest actor as Venus, he was terrific in that part.
TemTara all the way. Sh to go underhanded in order to save her children but she'll be crushed for it.
Who do you guys think the teenager's mom is going to be ? That storyline just came out of nowhere.
I agree Nero needs to get away from Gemma.
Lord, I didn't realize how stoned I was last night until I looked at my question in the light of day.
LOL R40. I just thought they were bad typos.
Tara had to know this would be the way things rolled out. It was too flimsy - too easily discovered and unraveled. Of course, if that's what she wanted.....
Who will Tara shoot? Herself, Gemma, Jax, the DA?
[quote] Of course, if that's what she wanted.....
I don't think so.. not at all.
I wish Tara would shoot Gemma. Gemma is such a cunt and Jax always takes her side.
I also wish Tara would tell Jax the truth about what Gemma did to his father.
I'm really afraid Tara may kill herself. She has been so abandoned.
R45, I only started to watch the show two seasons ago, what info is Tara withholding from Jax and why?
Tara found out that Gemma and Clay offed his dad. His dad was wanting to take the club straight.
[quote]I'm really afraid Tara may kill herself. She has been so abandoned.
That would be the next logical progression if they are sticking to the Hamlet formula, as Tara is their Ophelia in this version. I also noticed their use of the song "For a Dancer," which was written by Jackson Browne about his wife who committed suicide. That was Katey Sagal singing on that, btw, and she did a really nice job with it.
Whoops, Jax pissed of CCH Pounder.
Tara has an edge now,if she blows it or goes crawling back to Jax she's to stupid to live.
Nero is too good to be true.
I'm a little in love with Nero.. What do you think he has up his sleeve??
Was anyone shocked about what happened to Clay? Even though he had it coming.
I was so glad Clay finally got what was coming to him. I wanted that bastard dead all of last season.
Sadly, I believe Jax is slowly turning into Clay.
[quote]Was anyone shocked about what happened to Clay? Even though he had it coming.
I thought they would all get in on the action, firing squad style. What I really don't get is why they put their deal with the DA in jeopardy. Now what? So much for settling things so that they can "move on."
So I'm guessing Juice is going to off himself or sacrifice himself for Jax and the club like Opie did.
[quote]Was anyone shocked about what happened to Clay?
Also, I jumped when Jax shot Gaalen. I did NOT see that coming. That shit came out of left field.
[quote] What I really don't get is why they put their deal with the DA in jeopardy.
Same here. WTF? It seems they want it to look like the Irish are the ones who busted Clay out. Like Jax said, he delivered the Irish AND the guns (as he promised). But then Ms Patterson (CC Pounder) was a bitch about it, because they were dead. She wanted them alive. Now she's pissed. Again. She's determined to nail SAMCRO. So, yeah, R55, I have no idea why they put that deal in jeopardy.
And Tara, ugh. I know she has some fans here, but I can't stand the bitch.
I can't stand Tara either. She lived with a violent biker what does she think he does all day, knit? And I love how she keeps talking about both boys being hers. She is not Abel's mother and I don't think ever adopted him so she can't take him away legally. And I am also in love with Chibs. Such a good show.
R53 I wasn't shocked. I just thought to myself "it's about fucking time". Jax should of killed him a few seasons ago. I guess the writers kept Clay alive when the show was renewed. I hoped then that Opie would of shot him.
Any thoughts on how the thing with Wayne Unser being in love with Gemma is going to play out?
I don't know about Gemma and Wayne. He is s nice guy and has bailed her out a bunch of times but she wouldn't want someone like that. Too normal. She only likes the bad boys. What do you think Juice is going to do? Something is up with him.
Basically Gemma is a black widow,every man she loves dies whether she want's them to(John Teller)or doesn't want them to(Clay)so I'm guessing cancer guy is next because he professed his love to her.
I think Juice is toast. The last episode was great.
Season finale HOLY SHIT!!!
Tonight's finale was excellent. I even screamed in 2 places.
Gemma is the meanest cunt whoever drew breath. She has to be killed next year. I'm so afraid the character will never get her due because she's Sutter's wife.
That's what I'm afraid of too R65 that Gemma is untouchable because she's Sutter's wife.
[quote]Gemma is the meanest cunt whoever drew breath. She has to be killed next year. I'm so afraid the character will never get her due because she's Sutter's wife.
Next season is the last one, so it's not only possible, it's highly likely, since her character is based on Queen Gertrude.
I'm so upset Tara was killed. I was crying and heartbroken for Jax. I liked Gemma up until this and its about time she gets hers.
I wonder if Jax will end up killing Gemma when he finds out what really happened.
Holy shit! I did NOT see that coming.
One of the best season finales ever
Wow great heartbreaking finale.
I didn't know they were ending the series but I'm glad to hear it, I don't want it dragging on just because it's been successful.
I have grown to hate Gemma over the last season and 1/2, and cannot wait until she gets hers. What a comedown from her depth and tortured, brittle brilliance in S2!
BUT. Juice? Juice? I want him to die a slow, painful death. He should have taken himself out on that fucking tree, but was just too damn incompetent to manage killing himself. Funny, considering how he is pretty fucking good at killing OTHER people who don't deserve death (by his hand, anyway).
Does he think killing Roosevelt and covering Gemma's involvement in Tara's murder buys him time (or yet another undeserved free pass) with the club?
Does he really believe being Gemma's bitch boy will save him? Gemma will use him then cast him into outer darkness when she's done with him.
Or is he deliberately trying to set Jax up for both Tara and Roosevelt, to "punish" Jax for calling him out as the Betrayer he is?
See, assholes like Juice are why I avoid getting close to weak people. Weak types like him are very, very dangerous when they feel cornered. There is NOTHING they won't do.
Nero better watch his back.
And I don't feel sorry for Jax. He brought most of this upon himself. His biggest mistake was letting Gemma get/stay all up in his business. She's a biker's old lady, FFS, not a Redwood Original; he should have put her in her place when they ousted Clay.
I cannot WAIT for that fine piece of ass Marks to whip Mayan [italic]culo[/italic] next season.
What did it mean when Nero showed up at the sitdown? He had gotten out of the biz and with what's happened the last 2 weeks I find it mind-blowing that he would reenter the biz.
It's obvious the police will think Jax did the killing. What's going to happen? Will Gemma come forward or will Juice tell the truth?
I think Gemma might come forward, she loves Jax and wouldn't make him take the fall for it. Juice is super fucked now and I wouldn't be surprised if Jax kills him once the truth comes to light.
I think Jade will be off the hook. They will be able to tell the gun with his fingerprints is not the one that shot Tara and Eli so he won't have to go to prison. I don't know what Nero is up to except he is mad because Jax had Nero 's girlfriend killed. And Juice may kill himself. I don't know.
R75 Nero's girlfriend was Gemma, not the single mom. Am I missing something?
No Jax had Juice kill the mother of Nero 's messed up kid. He confessed last week when he almost overdosed at the brothel and Nero was helping him. That id why Narrow confronted Jax tonight.
I've never read MacBeth,who in the play dies after Ophelia?
I had no idea that Kurt Sutter and Katey Sagal were married until I read R65 . Until I watched the segment after the finale last night, I didn't know Otto was played by Sutter.
You've been living in a cave haven't you ?
[quote] I don't know what Nero is up to except he is mad because Jax had Nero 's girlfriend killed
That wasn't his girlfriend. Remember the first episode of this season where the kid shot up the school with guns from SAMCRO? The kid's mother was the one Juice killed. Her boyfriend/husband on the show was played by Dave Navarro (Jane's Addiction).
Juice has more lives than a cat. Last season I thought he was going to get killed every single week and he kept surviving. And this season too. Next season he dies. And he dies gruesomely
Jax doesn't know about Juice covering up for Gemma killing Tara (yet), so why did he tell Chibs not to trust Juice?
[quote]Jax doesn't know about Juice covering up for Gemma killing Tara (yet), so why did he tell Chibs not to trust Juice?
I think because Juice told Nero that Jax ordered him to kill the school shooting kid's mother.
Yeah he said "You betrayed me " and Juice looked like he had shit himself.
I don't believe that was Nero's kid that did the shooting. The kid had blonde hair and Nero's kid had dark hair if I remember right.
Nero's son did have very dark hair and, for the poster upthread, he had spina bifida.
Will Charlie Hunnam have a career after this? Am I the only one who doesn't think he's a very good actor?
No, R85, you're not. His acting technique consists of shaking his head, flaring his nostrils, and bursting into a loud voice.
Ha, R85. I agree with you. I like CH fine, but his acting skills should have grown significantly over these last six years. They have not.
And it isn't as though he hasn't amazing role models on-set to learn from. From an acting standpoint, Hunnam is the weakest link. Loads of charisma, though.
Hell, even David Labrava has become fairly accomplished over the years. And he isn't even an actor, really. I was shocked at the quality of his acting in the season finale, while Jax left me cold.
You're kidding, right r78? This show is based on Hamlet, not Macbeth. And it's loosely based, so the parallels are not exact. Ophelia isn't killed by Gertrude, for one.
[quote]I don't believe that was Nero's kid that did the shooting
No it wasn't Nero's kid. The kid's parents were played by Samaire Armstrong and Dave Navarro. Jax told Juice to murder the mother.
[quote] Will Charlie Hunnam have a career after this? Am I the only one who doesn't think he's a very good actor?
go on YouTube and watch him in scenes from Queer As Folk (UK edition). You will not believe it's the same person
I think he's a fairly good actor, although I do notice his British accent coming through a lot more as the series progresses.
Off topic, but could someone start another Walking Dead thread? The other one got to 601 posts and there hasn't been a new one started. TIA!
Sorry I meant Hamlet.
C.C.H. Pounder is one of the best additions to this show and that sit down scene between her and Jax during the finale was one of the best scenes ever. I love her! You better believe her character's coming after SAMCRO with all her might.
I had mixed feelings about Tara's death. I always figured the show would end with Jax finally letting Tara go and allow her to leave Charming with their kids. That said, over the course of the season you could see the character was played out and there was no place left for her to go. Plus, while I thought she was right, her "I'm doing all this for my children routine just got old.
One of the things that this show hits you on the head with over and over again is that there is no "retirement" for these guys and it will make me sad to see Chibs, Tig and Bobby meet some bad end. As far as Gemma goes, I don't see her turning herself in (at least initially) though I'm sure she's in for a big dramatic comedown so Sutter can try to help her win that Emmy.
Personally, I like Charlie Hunman as an actor though he kind of reminds me of Tim Riggins/Taylor Kitsch in that he's very good in that specific role, but maybe not much of a range - but he's hot to look at so who cares!
Charlie Hunnam's voice is fucking intoxicating. I could jack off to that voice alone.
Why did Sutter decide to kill off the hunky police chief that was set up to be Jax's nemesis when the show first started? I don't think any character in this show is going to get a happy ending when it's all over.
R96, are you talking about the 1st/2nd season - a guy named Hale? I always wondered that too since he was set up to be Jax/Opie's nemesis, but that never really went anywhere and he died without much fanfare. I can only assume that the actor went elsewhere/had other obligations and/or pissed off Sutter, thus he killed him off. Even worse, it raised the profile of his creepy brother (Mayor Hale) who is constantly in desperate need of a haircut.
[quote] Why did Sutter decide to kill off the hunky police chief that was set up to be Jax's nemesis when the show first started? I don't think any character in this show is going to get a happy ending when it's all over
There isn't going to be any happy ending on Sons of Anarchy. The character who played the hunky police chief got a full time roll on The Mentalist
I am binge watching SOA on Amazon. Each episode would only be about 15 minutes long if they took out all the hugging. Then take out the extended beat downs and shootings and there would be no show at all.
No R98 not the black police chief Juice shot,I mean the buff white one that was in the show's first season. He was set up to be Jax's big rival on the show then they just offed him in the second season.
Is CCH Pounder a man?
I recently watched the first 5 seasons on Amazon Prime (6 isn't available free with PRIME yet).
I've enjoyed it so far, but you have to know where it's going since it's just Hamlet with bikers.
Hey 102, I am watching it on Amazon prime also.
Fucking BRUTAL first episode! Loved the creepy cover of Bohemian Rhapsody, and how it was used.
Shit is hitting the fan hard!!
Fuck Gemma. Wow, just when I thought she couldn't get any worse. Unfuckingbelievable. And Jax believed her!
Great start to the last season.
Opie was hot.
R105: Karma is a total bitch. I think Gemma is going to have a very gruesome end, which she will richly deserve.
The season premiere was off the chain. Jax is totally dead inside. Whatever goodness he had for Tara and the boys is totally gone.
I have wished death on Gemma ever since last season's finale. I didn't think that cunt could sink any farther but falsely blaming an innocent man takes the cake.
And her twisted rationale of why her actions (Tara) are acceptable is sick and beyond self-serving.
Poor Juice might as well kill himself.
The 9 minute ending with Jax killing that innocent man was beyond determined and brutal. I demand he do the same to Gemma. I have never wanted someone dead so much in my life.
Brilliant use of music at the start of the show and at the end of the show.
R109: Agreed. I think Jax will find out the truth & kill Gemma in the series finale.
Well said R109, as I agree 100%
Kurt Sutter hinted that the ending would be brutal. I hope they don't kill Jax though, I love him. Sutter seems really into violence and shock value, so I wouldn't be surprised if everyone dies.
Can someone pleas tell me when the hell season 6 will be on Netflix?
Gemma killed her husband (Jax's Daddy). Will she kill her son too?
Where the fuck are the SOA fans??!!
Last night's episode was great - things are really ramping up.
Why did Juice go back?
Was one of the guys Jax shot the son of the Selma Charter guy, Jury? Fuck.. Did Jax not know it was his son, or did he just not give a fuck? He has to know there will be blow back.
I'm actually enjoying this as much as (maybe more than) that Breaking Bad.
R115, I don't think Jax knew that kid was his son. I think all this will eventually blow up in his face in the end.
I think Juice is just having a hard time cutting ties with his old environment.
I don't trust Unser at all, and neither should Juice.
Does anyone know what Jax was mad at Juice for prior to Tara's murder? I can't remember.
R116, Juice overdosed on Oxycontin and almost dies, but Nero and Gemma save him. (Gemma sticks her fingers down his throat, to be exact)
In his condition, Juice finally reveals that he killed Nero's cousin's girlfriend Darvany...to a horrified Nero. "I'm sorry," he says. "I didn't want to do it. Jax said it was what I had to do. I'm sorry."
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Recap from a website:
"But Jax has an even bigger storm brewing. After an increasingly remorseful Juice (Theo Rossi) overdoses on Oxycontin at Diosa, Gemma (Katey Sagal) and Nero (Jimmy Smits) come to his aid. When Juice and Nero are left alone, however, Juice confesses in a drugged-out haze to killing Darvany (Samaire Armstrong), the junkie mother of the boy that shot up the school in the season premiere, on Jax's orders. Upon learning the news, Nero, who previously questioned Jax about Darvany's mysterious death, seems hell-bent on revenge. But when he learns of Tara's betrayal of Jax, Nero stifles his own rage and embraces Jax."
I will only watch when Lea Michele shows up.
I can't understand how the character of Gemma can live with all the shit she's been through (gang rape, etc) plus all the shit she's done (killing Tara, etc) and go on like nothing has happened. She's not human.
I think Jax will kill her and then maybe kill himself. That means Abel's real mother (Adrianna!!) would wind up raising the kids which is what Tara asked her to do anyway in case she died.
I agree with you R119. I don't know how anyone could keep their shit together the way Gemma does and not be a total druggy or drunk. She is one tough woman. They don't show a soft side to her which makes me wonder if she is a psychopath maybe?
What I love about this show is that it always manages to surprise me and even shock me. No matter how much of a guys guy I am 99% of the time, by the end of an episode I'm hugging one of the couch cushions like I do when I watch horror movies. When Tara was killed I was actualy watching it through my fingers like my sisters use to do when we watched scarey movies when we were kids.
I am really going to miss this show.
Did anyone get the idea that they were going to make Juice gay? Especially, after the failed episode with the hooker and the overdose. His character doesn't seem like he's into getting it on with a woman.
Shit is going to hit the fan.. I think Jury knows Jax killed his son.
R124, I think he is going to prove his loyalty to the MC by sacrificing his life for them somehow. He'd rather die in the MC than live on without it..
I think that Gemma's going to kill him - right now if she (rightly) thinks that he wants to get back into the MC, telling Jax the truth should be the quickest way. So Gemma's going to have to kill him, and Wendy's going to get mixed up in all that too.
Theo has an incredible ass.
Jax is going off the rails. He's killing everyone.
Just please let him kill Gemma. That is the meanest cunt bwho ever cunted.
Maybe Jax will save Gemma for the last episode.
R127 is right. I think the season opener had him naked, doing push ups. Luscious ass.
What do you all (all 3 of you) think the angle is of the new female sheriff? Is she playing it cool, but planning on taking the MC down? If I were her, I'd get a taste of that Scottish sausage first. Damn, the actor who plays Chibs is hot as fuck.
[quote]I think the season opener had him naked, doing push ups. Luscious ass.
Here is s gif of that:
Yeah, it really blows that there's not much discussion about this show.
Who sold the MC out to Lin?
What's up with Althea? Friend or foe to the MC?
What's going to happen to Juice?
Why were Gemma and Juice both putting silencers on their guns?
It warmed my heart to see Tig falling in love with tranvestite Venus. I loved their kiss ❤️ Walton Goggins is fucking fantastic in that role.
If given the choice (in my dreams) I'm honestly not sure if I could choose between Chibs and Jax. Both smoking hot in different ways.
I think Jury figured out that Jax shot his son, and he sold them out to Lin and ten Chinese as revenge.
Oh shit R137, I think you could be right.
I thought Tig was going to die in the arms of Venus last night. Add me to the list of you who loved their tender moments. Big Venus fan.
Last night also had a great long shot of Theo's (Juice) ass. Damn, the ass on that man. Great smile too. But THAT ASS!!
Gemma versus Juice. Game on.
Great interview with Walton Goggins (Venus)
[bold] EW: What kind of moments have Venus and Tig shared off-screen, in your mind, since we last saw them together at the bus stop?[bold]
Goggins: I think she’s really seen Tig quite a bit. I think it has been glasses of wine—a chardonnay or a rosé in the afternoon, with his bike kind of coming up. I think they have talked at length about their childhoods and what their respective lives are like now. I think they’ve talked about politics. I think they’ve talked about everything that two people would talk about to further their intimacy and a friendship.
It was all there with the two scenes that Kurt [Sutter] had written. It was two people who had spent enough time together off-screen in order to get to a place where Tig would ask for Venus when he’s hurt and he needed to be comforted, and Venus would come and tell him what she tells him. It’s not a gender thing, it’s a heart thing. When we’re understood, regardless of who we’re understood by, we’re understood. There’s no replacing that. It’s outside of the confines of gender.
[bold]EW: We know Venus returns in episode 10. What can you say about that?[/bold]
Goggins: There is a conversation that happens that is as poetic and, I will start crying talking about it right now, as beautiful and as real as any conversation that I’ve ever read on paper between two people. What it will ultimately say about Tig, and who he is in the world, and how he deals with Venus and how she deals with him - I think you’re gonna see honesty and a vulnerability that is very rarely explored
[quote]I am binge watching SOA on Amazon. Each episode would only be about 15 minutes long if they took out all the hugging.
That's kinda hot though..
Walton Goggins is terrific as Venus, he should have a guest actor Emmy for that role.
I like Venus and Tig as a couple. And yes, Chibs is hot.
I just have a feeling we are going to have some painful losses this season...thanks to Gemma and her lies.
Venus looks like an older version of Steven Tyler's daughter, Chelsea!
I agree with everything you said R146.
R147, is that Goggins as Venus or Tyler's daughter? Seriously, I can't tell!!
Here's my guess on the Chibs/cop thing; she's definitely playing him but I can't imagine (or at least hope) they'd recycle the whole Opie/entrapment thing again. I do think that crazy Jax is somehow going to get the idea that Chibs betrayed him via his cop girlfriend and kill him. Somehow because Chibs has always been devoted to Jax, I just think Jax will be the one to ultimately screw him over not some scheming cop.
It's funny how the face of the actor how plays Chibs looks like 10 miles of bad road (and its' not just the scars), yet he's incredibly handsome in a unique way.
[quote]I do think that crazy Jax is somehow going to get the idea that Chibs betrayed him via his cop girlfriend and kill him.
That would be awful, but seriously, knowing the way Sutter writes, anything is possible at this point. I'd hate to think after all of this, some bitch cop ends up blowing their alliance apart.
I agree about Chibs. My female friend is a small town TV reporter, and was lucky enough to interview him. She said he was ridiculously sexy and charming (no pun intended).. even moreso than Charlie Hunnam.
What do you think is going on with the Chinese? And what happened tony be Irish?
I simply hate Gemma. Nero deserves better. Jax and the kids deserve better.
Tara isn't even cold in the grave yet (from her own hand) and Gemma's lining up that madam to be Jax's next bed buddy.
The show is really going full throttle this season but my only quibble is all these cameos. Marilyn Manson, Courtney Love, Lea Michelle. That is too much and unneeded.
R152: You obviously didn't watch the most recent ep, re the madam.
I think Jax will kill Jimmy Smits, when it's found out he's the one behind at least some of the shit going on, like the grenade in the ice cream parlor.
And Jax will kill Gemma at the end of the series, when he finds out she killed Tara.
I did watch the recent epi. That's why I said Gemma was lining up the madam as Jax's next bed bunny. Gemma told the woman she'd "be good for Jax."
Gemma learned a long time ago to control Jax through the women he's fucking - that's why Dr. Resting Bitchface was such a problem for her.
What bugs me about Juice right now is that he's only around as a plot thread - so he can tell either Wendy or Unser that Gemma was the one who killed Tara. Then either Unser or Juice gets killed and Wendy runs to Jax....there's really only a couple of very cliche ways this is going to play out.
But on the plus side, we're going to get to see Gemma die pretty soon.
[quote]I think Jax will kill Jimmy Smits, when it's found out he's the one behind at least some of the shit going on, like the grenade in the ice cream parlor.
Wait - Nero sold the MC out to the Chinese? I thought it was Jury.
[quote]I did watch the recent epi. That's why I said Gemma was lining up the madam as Jax's next bed bunny. Gemma told the woman she'd "be good for Jax."
She got gunned down in the last episode, or did you miss that? She's not "good for Jax" at this point..
[quote]there's really only a couple of very cliche ways this is going to play out.
I hope not. Who knows, Gemma met get away with it.
Ok, I'm confused - did Jury sell out the MC to Linn or did Nero? I don't think it was Nero, he has way too much to lose.
[quote]What I love about this show is that it always manages to surprise me and even shock me. No matter how much of a guys guy I am 99% of the time, by the end of an episode I'm hugging one of the couch cushions like I do when I watch horror movies. When Tara was killed I was actualy watching it through my fingers like my sisters use to do when we watched scarey movies when we were kids. I am really going to miss this show.
Same here. I love shows that have a great arc and know when to stop, as opposed to going on and on and on. This and Breaking bad are great examples.
If this show ends up with Gemma running away with the kids and everyone else dead, I will call it well worth it.
R150 Your friend was so lucky to interview Chibs. In real life he was attacked after DJing a gig in Scotland, hence the Glasgow smile and facial scars. I thought those were for the show.
R149 Anything goes with how Sutter writes, but given that Chibs has been team Jax through and through, I do think something bad is going to happen to him.
R158 I thought Jury sold out the MC.
[quote]This and Breaking bad are great examples.
I hope Ray Donovan does the same thing.
Wow R147, I thought it WAS Venus! Are you sure that's Tyler's daughter? Or are you saying that pic of Venus looks like Tyler's daughter?
Gemma is insufferable this season, but I think that's part of the point. She's sort of like Walter White in the final season in which you knew he was due for a major comeuppance which I think is coming for Gemma.
As far as the cameos go, I actually didn't think Marilyn Manson was bad. Granted, I have no first hand experience with nazi types, but I thought he had a decidedly creepy presence and he played off Charlie Hunnam pretty well. Courtney Love, she just looks ghastly, especially compared to Katey Sagal, but I guess at this point she's a just walking warning about using drugs.
As far as Juice goes, at this point I wish they'd just get on with it. I think they'll kill him in the next episode or two, but I'm tired of him moping around. I do think it's funny how Wendy spends more time babysitting his needy ass than watching the kids!
Holy Hell! What an episode!
Everything is a cluster fuck and it all leads back to Gemma.
All those dead girls died because that cunt lied about who killed Tara. One of SAMCRO died guarding the heroin because she lied.
Does the cunt even register that her actions alone set this shit in motion ?
I have wanted Jax to kill Gemma but right now I'll accept Juice doing it. I don't know why I was so shocked she was going to murder Juice. The cunt is beyond horrid.
And those poor kids. Abel is already turning to violence. Tara must be spinning in her grave.
Three cunts for one post? Did Gemma shit in your mouth or something?
R166, are you five years old?
I love Chibs and his middle aged belly. He's so fucking sexy. It was nice to see him shirtless.
I'm a bit baffled by this seemingly immediate closeness between Chibs and Althea. It feels like maybe they knew each other previously; even the way she calls him "Scotty," a term of endearment one would usually reserve for an old friend.
I agree with the poster above who said this relationship could make him very vulnerable with the club as far as any suspicion of being a rat or a mole for the cops, especially now that we know Juice is out there spilling the beans about club secrets and Unser is working on both sides of the fence, too.
Tig is gay?
Let's be honest,besides the penis,Venus have a manly face.
I think Tig is bi. I wish they'd show more of Venus. It was weird - last week, he was practically at death's door and this week they didn't mention anything.
I think Unser may end up bringing it all down on them.
R165 I agree.
PS: That kid who plays Abel is one of the worst kid actors EVER! Wow. Cringe worthy.
R167, are you lost babe? Oh god you're one of those twats whose gay buddy you fold sheets with at the Motel 6 told you about DL and now you think you're one of us.
I could never be an outlaw biker gang because apparently you never get sick days, even when you've been shot in the gut!
I read some funny comments this morning about this week's SOA episode on how Abel should meet Mr. Mayhem because of his terrible acting and they should left him in Ireland.
R173, I'm not R167, but based on your posts, you *do* sound five years old. Being bitchy in a clever way is one thing, but [italic]"Did Gemma shit in your mouth" [/italic]and [italic]"you're one of those twats whose gay buddy you fold sheets with at the Motel 6 told you about DL and now you think you're one of us"[/italic] is, well.. pathetic.
- During the scene where the members of SOA and Charles Barosky (the corrupt docks police chief) go to the pawn shop to interrogate the police officer who was suppose to be watching the storage unit where they were storing the stolen guns from the Chinese, it occurred to me during the interrogation of the store owner Barosky seemed to be getting nervous about what the cop was saying. That's when it struck me that maybe Barosky was the one who had sent that anonymous text message to the cop who was suppose to be keeping an eye on the warehouse.
It would make sense as to why Barosky shot him in the head before the Sons were able to start interrogating him. I feel like after this weeks episode that Barosky may be one of the end show villains who step up to blind side and betray SAMCRO, what do you guys think about that scene?
I think Jury probably told the Chinese and Barosky somehow found out, then gambled on Lin getting to Jax first - and realized he backed the wrong horse and killed that cop to keep him from letting too much slip ;)
On the "next week" teaser, we see Juice talking to Alvarez, offering to trade intel. But what does he know? He has been out of the loop since Jax went to prison at the beginning of this season. He is pretty much the only person who figured out Gemma is a liar. I suspect that Nero is figuring that out as well.
I mean, I think it's pretty obvious by now, right? Juice from two promos now tells Alvarez that he will tell him all dirt on the club. Alvarez definitely kills Juice and keeps this information to himself. This lines up perfectly with last episode with Lin hearing Jax tell him that Lin ordered his on his wife, when he never did. Alvarez definitely going to know about this. I think he will tell Jax around episode 10-11, maybe before Jax kills him, that Tara really died from his mother and that his family is dying around him.
Even if that doesn't happen, I'm 100% sure Jax finds out through Alvarez.
Unser knows the truth about all of it, I think he might be the one who tells Jax, but maybe not, the whole "in love with Gemma" BS.
And maybe Marilyn Manson is going to off Lin in prison.
[quote]During the scene where the members of SOA and Charles Barosky (the corrupt docks police chief) go to the pawn shop to interrogate the police officer who was suppose to be watching the storage unit where they were storing the stolen guns from the Chinese, it occurred to me during the interrogation of the store owner Barosky seemed to be getting nervous about what the cop was saying.
Agree. I don't have any specific theory as to the why of it, but I definitely got the impression Barosky shot the guy to keep him quiet.
As for Abel, how cool would it be if he took that hammer and whacked Gramma Gemma over the head with it? What goes around, comes around, and all that.
[quote]As for Abel, how cool would it be if he took that hammer and whacked Gramma Gemma over the head with it?
Ha! Yes! I actually said that to my partner when we were watching that scene.
Question: Why would Jax believe anyone who would tell him that his own mother killed Tara?
See, I think Barosky is supposed to look like the obvious guy that betrayed them and possibly Jury, but if you remember, Lin said that Samcro hit his massage parlors and Jury certainly wouldn't have know about that (though I'm not sure about Charlie). I think the person who betrayed them is...dun dun dun..T.O. of the Grim Bastards! He acted awful shifty after they "accidently" killed the preacher which makes me think he's up to something.
Not sure what will happen to Juice, though at this point I wish they'd just get on with it. He's always been such a dunce I have to think that he will somehow "save" Samcro before he dies (maybe confess to giving the school shooting kid from Season 6 the gun, assuming anyone even cares about that anymore). Whatever the case, selling himself out to Alvarez certainly means lights out for him.
Thanks R175. I'm sure you often tell total strangers how to live their lives, which is why you're so welcome in so many homes.
Chill the fuck out R183. The posters up thread are right, and you're just proving it with each new comment you make.
Unser doesn't know Gemma killed Tara
R184, go fist your momma, cunt.
Who was the woman Unser visited in the hospital. What info does she know ?
I am completely lost about who she is. She was referenced earlier in the episode by Chibs and the Sheriff.
The woman is the police officer who survived and witnessed that shootout when Jax and his guys met with those Nazi assholes who are associated with Marilyn Manson character. It happened 2 episodes ago. The other black police man was killed, she was injured.
I'll be curious to see where the Elgee (wounded female police officer) story goes; it's only episode 7, so I doubt she's going to blurt out "Chibs and Jax were there" as they are marched off to death row for being part of a cop killing. In the clips for next week, Unser says something to Jax like "promise you won't hurt her" but I bet he's talking about Elgee, not Gemma. I think he's officially done with Gemma.
That said, now that Unser is on Gemma's bad side, I bet her discussion with Jarry this week results in Unser being arrested for working behind the cop's back, hiding Juice and covering up the death of the hotel maintenance guy. That way, she makes sure Unser loses whatever little credibility he had left and can't act against her.
Also, I think instead of killing him outright, the club puts Juice on some kind of suicide mission and lets him go out a member. He's just dumb enough for something that like that, so it will be interesting to see what they'll have him do.
I feel like this season has been moving pretty slow. There's still a lot of stuff that needs to be hashed out. Abel looks like he has dead eyes, I guess being raised by whores would do that.
I couldn't disagree more. I think this season is like a runaway freight train. Everything is moving and shaping up for whatever huge finale Sutter has up his sleeve.
Jax is practically off the rails due to his desire for vengeance.The club is 100% behind Jax even though they know he's on a revenge streak. Gemma's talking to dead people. Nero's is slowly buying a clue. Juice is a dead man walking. Unser is definitely drawing a line in the sand.
All I want for the finale is for Jax to know Gemma killed Tara and I want him to kill her in the most heinous way possible.
As much as I enjoy Theo Rossi's portrayal of Juice, the character has lived past his expiration date. I don't see Jax or Gemma making out of this season alive. After spending seasons of keeping Wendy away from the kids, she is going to be the one raising them in the end.
IN the issue of EW that spotlighted SOA, they dropped a hint to keep an eye on Jax's son at school. Given the hammer incident 2 weeks ago, I guess we are in for some kind of shocker involving the kid. Just my guess, I think Gemma is going to end up in the looney bin, she certainly can't shake her guilt over killing Tara.
Gosh, you need a diagram to keep up with all the plots.
Why did August's security guys go after one of the Son's and take out his eye? Didn't the Sons tell the Junkie mom and her son that August's guys killed some black guy, but it was the Son's who killed'em?
Who was put in Juice's cell at the end and who did he say he was a friend of? Didn't quite catch it.
If Gemma doesn't bite it soon I am going to lose my shit.
Not only does she deserve it for murderering Tara (Note to Gemma: It was no "accident") but Gemma's lie about the Chinese has theoretically set this whole thing in motion.
August Marks's crew retaliated because Jax has set up alignments with the Mayans, the other black MC, and the Aryan Brotherhood to take over Marks' business.
The man who came into Juice's cell said he was with Tully. Tully is played by Marilyn Manson and is the head of the Aryan Brotherhood.
I guess they put Juice in jail so he can kill the head of the Chinese.
Abel is going to go psycho at age 5. He may be the one to take Gemma out.
The EW article said that there would be a major character death in episode 9 so given that he wasn't in the pictures with his eye patch, I'm guessing that's Bobby. It's only episode #7 so I hope it's not a weekly dissection of Bobby until #9. My guess (and my previous predictions have been wrong) is that Jax mishandles the situation, gets Bobby killed, and the others start to turn against him.
That said, from a story perspective it was never clear to me why they picked a fight with Marks in the first place other than he told Jax to hold off on retaliating on the Chinese. I guess it's a reason, but doesn't seem much of one to provoke a guy that burned someone alive.
At this point, as for the "who tells Jax" sweepstakes, my money is on:
- Tully's guy tortures Juice in prison (they said Juice is the new Job) and he tells what happened to Tara, so Tully tells Jax
- Gemma loses her shit and finally confesses outright to Jax
And in a distant 3rd, creepy Abel though I think he will just continue to wreak havoc at school and hopefully kill Courtney Love in the process (best thing for her really...)
[quote] I guess it's a reason, but doesn't seem much of one to provoke a guy that burned someone alive.
That was Pope, wasn't it? Didn't he kill Tig's daughter that way?
[quote]August Marks's crew retaliated because Jax has set up alignments with the Mayans, the other black MC, and the Aryan Brotherhood to take over Marks' business.
How did Marks find out?
R198, yes it was Pope that burned her but Marks orchestrated the whole thing and shot the one-niner point blank in the head so I'm not sure why Jax was under the impression the guy was some kind of pussy. I guess he knows better now..
R199, my theory is that its one of the Grim Bastards that's betraying them, but whoever this person went to Lin (and told him about attacking his massage parlors) AND Marks about the plot against him, so hes one very busy rat. I think that's another thing that will tear apart the club - finding the rat that keeps undermining them.
Orthodox Jew porn!!!
[quote]Orthodox Jew porn!!!
Not at all, R202. Did you catch the last episode?
Go down, Moses, my bush is burning!
What if the series ends and Jax never finds out the truth?
r205, that could be a disappointing possibility. Since Abel overheard Gemma talking to baby Tommy about her role in Tara's death, I think he will find out. It looks like from next weeks preview that Jury (?) will tell him about John Teller's death and I presume Gemma's role in it.
Do you think Marks keeps Bobby to take body parts from to get Jax to do his bidding?
[quote]Jury (?) will tell him about John Teller's death and I presume Gemma's role in it.
And what about Jury telling Jax that he sold Jax and the MC out to the Chinese??!
[quote]Do you think Marks keeps Bobby to take body parts from to get Jax to do his bidding?