- What school did Kathleen Chalfant's girlfriend go to? And what is her wig like?
- Michael Arden pix, I beg...
- Worst thread intro ever!
- How is Rory's liver?
- R4. Seems to be walking off with all the positive reviews in Little Miss Sunshine!
- Gang, having some chicken noodle soup from Panera Bread. I feel better already!!
Karen Ziemba, Tony winner a bit under the weather
- The tomato is now a bag of old wigs...
- The "Time to Kill" was in previews; now it's "Curtains."
- How come the disaster that is known as ANNIE stopped alternating Taylor Richardson and Sadie Sink. Did Sadie Stink and that's why she's back to the hard knock life?
Will Ron Raines shave his toupee to play DW?
They should have promoted Merwin Foard but he seems to have moved on (good for him).
- I heard a Betty Bacall story that when Woman of the Year was trying out in Boston, she threw a costume out the door of her dressing room screaming "I am not playing fucking Evita".-told to me by someone in the cast.
The late Marilyn Cooper
- Any Merrily We Roll Along pre-screening parties planned? Will they take place backwards - a drunken argument leading to awkward introductions and shitty small talk?
- Leave poor Kathryn Erbe alone! Didn't she suffer enough having to work opposite Vincent D'Onofrio for all those years?
- I saw Betty Bacall at the LA Evita opening night party (at Chasen's!). Some told me she had seen the show ten times (in NY) because she liked hearing her name in the lyric to Rainbow High.
- Chicken soup Karen?
I can't make chicken soup, peoples!
- Is Mary Testa playing a Shelley Winters-type in DISASTER?
- Speaking of The Poseidon Aventure, remember when Maureen McGovern was meant to play Margaret White? Was this going to become a role for all pop singers of a certain age to take a stab at?
- So will Ron Raines finally see how much hotter he is without his wig?
- Has Raines been announced?
- R18. Yep. Officially today.
- If no one actually sees Faith & Ron in this show, does that mean it really happened?
- why did Bernadette cry? (re: op_)
- Onions, Rose.
- Hearing amazing buzz on Fun Home. Can it be the Jeanine Tesori has finally written a score?
- Fun Home is better than most shit, but it's not THAT wonderful. I know they will be dumb and greedy and move it and it won't run.
- Jeanine Tesori's music always sounds like tune up exercises for an orchestra
- What about Little Miss Sunshine?
- How is the new John Kander show?
- I've met Ron Raines. He's a lovely, charming guy. I'd love to see him as Daddy Warbucks but not in this hollow shell of a revival.
- The Two Boys opera written by Craig Lucas is pure crap. Moody music with masturbation and a shirtless hunk, and a convoluted plot. What are missing are characters you care about.
- Little Miss Sunshine was good, not great. Felt too pondering most of the time. And those chairs...
- Gentleman Caller Brian J. smith and his boyfriend seen at tonight's opening of "Two Boys". And lots of men in fucking skirts. In the audience.
And it's not pure crap. It's haunting and the score is beautiful.
- My, what a little Nazi the OP has become.
- We can still talk about Follies.
- R33 Well, then combining two topics: Ron Raines was a hot daddy in "Follies."
- The only problem with Ron Raines is that he's such a boooorrring actor.
- Ron Raines was the reason I cried.
- FUN HOME is only okay. Read the book. So much better in every way.
- Tesori is meh on a good day; much worse than that on all the others.
- Well the NY Times seems to agree more with R29 than R31, though Tony Tomassini's review is more elegantly written.
- Fun Home is lovely and beautifully performed, but I agree that a Broadway run would be disastrous. It needs the kind of lovely off-Broadway house that doesn't exist anymore.
- Ron Raines AND Follies. There's a dynamite combo thread killer. And not even up to 50 contributions yet!
- Is there a resource online that tells you when show leads have the night off? My niece won't care who's in Cinderella, but I don't want to see it without Fontana and Osnes.
https://www.facebook.com/broadwayunderstudies , and also the associated Twitter (see link)
If I were you, I'd also post at BroadwayWorld asking about it - they often seem to know things like this.
- Ron Raines was much better when not having to act opposite Bernie P.
- A friend was in the original cast of "Woman of the Year". When Forbidden Broadway did their spoof of Betty, she announced to the cast that they were FORBIDDEN to go see the show. Needless to say, they all trooped there in droves!
- Now that the Winter Garden is finally free of the scourge known as Mamma Mia since it moved to the Broadhurst, which show will move in?
- R46 - ROCKY! Keep Up!
- Fun Home is groundbreaking. They should do a 16 week limited engagement. It would work.
- Fun Home would fare only slightly better than Bloody, Bloody Andrew Jackson on Broadway. And the slightly better is only rich lesbians with money to burn.
- FUN HOME is good, not great. Our standards have been lowered so far that we don't even know what great IS any more.
- Hey R13- I was at the LA Evita opening also and happened to be at the banquet where Betty was talking to Lonnie and said "Well- you don't have to worry about collecting unemployment anymore". Alan Carr was there too- but I didn't hear anything he said.
- R50 - Amen brother/sister, AMEN
- I am glad Time to Kill got skewered just for the fact that the fuck Fred Thompson is in it. Broadway doesn't go for pills and dope and Republicans!
- Is this site not working properly YET AGAIN?
- Everytime I need a laugh I go to the Playbill site and check to see if the A TIME TO KILL cast ad is playing. That shit is hilarious.
- [quote] Is this site not working properly YET AGAIN?
Does look that way. I wish Ann Miner ran DL. She'd never let this happen.
- So it seems, r54. This is beyond ridiculous.
- Who's Lonnie (R51)?
Sigh-mah Rubin's daughter?
- Sondheim huffed and puffed because Diana Paulus futzed with Porgy and Bess, but he allows Roundabout turn Company into a fagfest?? Does he even see the irony?
- R59, there is a major difference in that all of the writers of PORGY AND BESS are deceased.
But on the other hand....George Furth, who wrote the book for COMPANY, is also deceased, and therefore obviously has no say in "the gay COMPANY."
- Even though he probably would have gone along with the decision.
- ERBE FITCH'S TWITCH
- LOL R62
Gwen and Fosse looking down, arms entwined.
- Speaking of incoming shows, does Honeymoon in Vegas have a theatre yet?
- Linda Lavin - - appearing one night only Saturday November 16th at the Catalina Jazz Club in L.A.
Who's going, bitches?
- One Night Only is One Night Too Much.
- Watch Linda suck all the energy out of the room...
- Linda is a comedy treasure!
She needs her own show and not the shit that is Sean saves the world!
- Sutton Foster is the face of the federal health care exchange.
- HONEYMOON will take the Palace instead of an inane Tupac musical.
- I'm one of the girls
who sings like a boy!
- Ron Raines is a hot daddy.
- A very oooooolllllllddddd boy.
- R72, meet R34.
- Can Daddy Ron fuck us both?
- I'd fuck Ron Raines if he'd promise not to open his mouth and drone on in his normal boring way.
- [quote] drone on in his normal boring way.
Drone on? Sounds like my kind of guy.
- FUN HOME is getting raves, as predicted.
- Ron Raines is married to the fabulous Dona Vaughn. I've been directed by her in a couple of projects and she's a hoot.
- I don't understand how people can thing the music in Fun Home is any good; c'mon, people, seriously, are you brain dead?
- R80 = Tony Kushner
- I've said it before: reading tin-eared critics' assessment and analysis of music is simultaneously a source of hilarious amusement and enormous embarrassment at the same time. Come back, George Bernard Shaw!
- Fun Home was the most moving musical I've seen in years. I'm astonished the critics recognized its quality.
- Looks like the Golden has a new tenant.
- In response to an earlier question:
- Who is Brian J Smith's boo? He makes me tingle.
- It's the Fun Home naysayers who are the obtuse ones. But I still think it will be a hard sell on Broadway.
- Ramin in LES MIZ? Grrrr.
- Will Swenson as Javert with his timid penis?
- I can't speak to Fun Home the musical, but Fun Home the graphic novel, while extremely well done (at least Part One--I hated it when Allison dropped the honest storytelling, yanked out her English degrees and started diagramming the Stephen Daedalus metaphors) was not exactly a pleasant experience. Even if the music was fantastic I just don't want to spend an evening stuck in the same room with those miserable people.
- [quote]FUN HOME is getting raves, as predicted.
Any singing washing machines?
- A Bruce Lee musical? Can't wait until the High Schools start doing this one.
- Has A Time to Kill posed its closing notice yet?
- As Pearl Bailey once said, "I am sick of getting rave reviews in flop shows!"
- I saw The Standbys last night cuz it was mentioned here. Not a great movie. The girl was sooo unlikable. But the surprise for me was how adorable Merein Foard is. I never noticed him til now. I'm sad he is straight.
- The people as depicted in the musical of Fun Home are enormously appealing and incredibly moving.
- Les Miz isn't really a show. It's a fetish.
- "I saw Betty Bacall at the LA Evita opening night party (at Chasen's!). Some told me she had seen the show ten times (in NY) because she liked hearing her name in the lyric to Rainbow High."
And she blasted the fucking cast album all through the Dakota.
- [quote]I saw The Standbys last night cuz it was mentioned here
Where is it available?
- R88, Down boy!! He's mine!!
- Ramin is an unfortunate first name.
- I need my tongue in Ramin's asshole so deeply.
- Ramin Karimloo is very handsome, a great singer and made for a terrific Enjolras. But he's simply not enough of a heavyweight yet to play Jean Valjean. Mackintosh is letting his penis rule with this choice.
For Here To Eternity opened tonight in London. Will it be crucified?
- What are the odds that Houdini with Hugh Jackman will die in the womb?
Latest word is that he's going to think about it and make a final decision.
- "Fun Home was the most moving musical I've seen in years. I'm astonished the critics recognized its quality."
Because you feel that critics in general don't recognize quality and can't be moved by good theater? What's wrong with you?
- [quote] Latest word is that he's going to think about it and make a final decision.
The material must be junk.
- Now R107, after Brantley raved about Mamma Mia (and Matilda, etc.), can you really blame that poster, or anyone else, for their astonishment when a critic recognizes quality?
- I don't see anyone on DL rushing to defend the integrity or insight of Lady Brantley. She's an idiot, particularly when it comes to musicals.
- "She's an idiot, particularly when it comes to musicals."
If Sondheim set his shopping list to music, Brantley would give it an unqualified rave.
- Is there a story in that signature, R100?
- [quote]I'm one of the girls
who sings like a boy!
not even close!
I'm one of the girls who's one of the boys.
My voice is as bad as the songs it destroys.
- Does anyone think Les Miz will sell this time? The last revival flopped. Why is there a new market now. The film was not a hit.
- [quote]The material must be junk.
The only junk in Houdini is Hugh's, and I'm all over that.
- Anyone else hear a rumor that a Tupac Shakur musical is taking the Palace in the Spring. I'm not kidding. Its from a credible source. WTF?
- What is a Tupac.. umm.. Shakur??
Almost ALL of the Broadway community
- Tupac Shakur would have looked great in drag.
- [quote]The film was not a hit.
Oh Dear. 8 Academy Award nominations and three wins. 4 Golden Globe nominations with three wins including Best Picture Musical/Comedy. Nine Bafta British Academy Award nominations and four wins. Four SAG Award nominations and one win. American Film Institute Movie Of The Year, National Board of Review Award Best Acting By An Ensemble amongst many nominations, and a worldwide gross of $441,809,770. Yeah, smells like a flop to me.
- I have a Fiestaware shaker? Is that anything like a tupac shakur?
- So the NBC Sound of Music is using Something Good instead of An Ordinary Couple, but won't be using I Have Confidence? Ugggggggh.
- Pensacola with Blythe and SJP and Gentlemen's Guide with Jefferson started previews this week.
What's the poop? Is anyone seeing anything??
- Is "Pensacola" a dramatization of my first-run syndicated series?
- Are they using the Martin keys? Will Underwood be going down at the end of Do Re Mi
- R121, "I Have Confidence" works great cinematically but wouldn't work as well in a live TV broadcast in a somewhat confined space.
- "But he's simply not enough of a heavyweight yet to play Jean Valjean."
- "Oh Dear. 8 Academy Award nominations and three wins. 4 Golden Globe nominations with three wins including Best Picture Musical/Comedy. Nine Bafta British Academy Award nominations and four wins. Four SAG Award nominations and one win. American Film Institute Movie Of The Year, National Board of Review Award Best Acting By An Ensemble amongst many nominations, and a worldwide gross of $441,809,770."
r119, you forgot to mention whether it won any Blockbuster Entertainment Awards!!
- R95 Merwin and his family came off really well. My favorite part of The Standbys. Agree about the girl. I would have fired her, too.
I thought the whole standby subject was covered better in Broadway: The Golden Age.
Well, the MERRILY was very interesting. The rewrites (a considerable amount) make the story darker and more intense. It seemed less a musical than a play with music this go-round (perhaps that's a result of the filming?) and I'm still not sure how I feel about that. Nonetheless, it makes as good a case for the show as the York production did in the 90s. And yet...I'm still not convinced that it "works." Despite Umbers' terrific, nuanced performance, I didn't find myself terribly invested in Frank and his dilemma and some of the material remains dramatically inert (and the "new" songs don't really add much). I also wish the sound had been better: the dialogue scenes had a reverb that was rather annoying. I can't say if that was unique to our theater. That aside, though, I'm glad I saw it.
- Thanks R129, I was wondering how it would play out.
- R129, is there still the stuff with little Frank Jr at the end? I didn't like that at all at the Menier Chocolate Factory.
- Karen Olivo on SVU.
She even called Raul "Papi".
- The sound on Merrily was fine in the theater where I saw it. The reason it came off as a play with songs is because there is little movement on that tiny stage in all this songs that call for flair in staging than they got here. Shocked by the good reviews as outside of the fine work of the three leads, the staging and design were that of a college production.
All the revisions to the book have just made the show harder to land as they make Frank more likable at the expense of the story of the three friends. Still a woman behind me sobbed during the final scene which is always great in every production I have seen.
- How exactly was the new Merrily different from the Encores? And is Kringas just a terrible role, because this dude was the weak link and Lin Manuel was awful in it as well...
- Manuel was TERRIBLE in the Encores production. None of it was stellar.
They can keep slaving away, reshaping, revising, etc, but MWRA has never really worked and never will.
- He wasn't TERRIBLE, r135, stop hating on the Latinos, you typical-DL-hater-of-difference. He was actually kind of sweet. The problem wasn't his - the problem is, it's a terrible show, false at every turn. The book! Ugh. Will never work. It was obviously assembled in the first place by people who could not be honest with themselves about anything that might have been in their hearts - and indeed, Sondheim was hidden in a literal dungeon unable to stop hating himself for being a homo, and Hal Prince was paying rent boys to hold him in hotel rooms while he cried about his sexual ambivalence. MERRILY is their fakest show, every word is a lie - all the moreso because its subject is exactly what those dudes presumably know the best: how to become famous empty men who can't connect. A tragic failure, that show, despite having a fun score.
- Oh please R136, Manuel was awful in Merrily. I felt bad for him. It wasn't that he is Latino, it's that he can't really sing or act.
- "Hal Prince was paying rent boys to hold him in hotel rooms while he cried about his sexual ambivalence."
- r137, nobody is more racist than a theater queen - especially a Sondheim fan. It's a fact, you can find it on wikipedia.
r138, one of the rent boys in question told me in 1985.
- I've seen Merrily twice including tonight. I think it's a great show that worked both times.
- I hear what you're saying, r133. I, too, was surprised at the "free-form" quality of the party sequences. I didn't think it right to judge the design elements, however, since what might have seemed primitive via the camera lens might have been perfectly acceptable in the theater.
- I like Lin Manuel. I saw the many incarnations of In the Heights a few times. He was terrific in it and every other person I saw play Usnavi palled in comparison. A have met him a few times and he has always been incredibly nice and down to earth. But he was terrible in Merrily. The whole production (with those absurd projections) was lacking, but he stood out as being terrible.
- He was just about the only remotely charming thing in the Encores MERRILY, was Miranda, which, as you say, was awful, and you couldn't blame it all on those dreadful projections. It's a bullshit show. Miranda was at least sufficiently sweet and fresh and boyishly excited to convey the earnestness that those character must at some point or at some level project if we are to believe one of the central conceits of the script.
- Lin go to sleep. Bring It On sucked too.
- Why can't you queens keep up?
Broadway is boring and stupid because it knows its audience, clearly.
OP, you were off your game this time, by the way - which is actually a blessing, because your game didn't have any.
- R146, stop hating women, you faggotty faggot.
- I don;'t hat woman....just you.
- hate not hat
- I hate hats; but not the womyns...
- The "Merrily" sound was fine in my theater. I enjoyed the pre-show backstage stuff, although I wish they'd shown less of the actual production-- sort of ruins it for people who've never seen it. (I've seen three or four small theater productions, so I was familiar with the material.)
Wow, the Aussie guy who played Charley looked TOTALLY different without the costume and wig. The other major characters didn't look that different, but his was a transformation. Was Josefina Gabrielle (Gussie) the Laurey in the Hugh Jackman "Oklahoma"? I know her name from somewhere but I wasn't sure.
- "Broadway is boring and stupid because it knows its audience, clearly."
I'm sorry but you are wrong, r145. The purveyors of Broadway product have, in fact, lost touch with their audience. That audience is a sophisticated, middle-class and educated demographic, which has been betrayed by the degradation of Broadway into one big infantile playpen, like the rest of our God-forsaken culture. It's why play attendance has declined 33 per cent in the last decade!
- Does anybody still hate ... a hat?
- Broadway is pitched at Dallas. The New York audiences are done with a show in 2 months, & the rest of a long run is Dallas. Everyone involved in musicals especially knows this.
- Nina Arianda back to off-broadway--------so much for the star is born pr crap
- The ATC girls are beside themselves with Merrily reviews this morning. Still, it's probably better than which Follies do you prefer, will Dolly do Dolly, or whether you can see the stars in the Glass Menagerie revival if you're in the handicapped toilet. They're like dogs with very old biscuits.
- [quote]The ATC girls are beside themselves with Merrily reviews this morning.
Christ, it's like a religion. Hoping against hope the show will morph into a good show, let alone a great one. I think a Sondheimite's head would actually explode if they had to admit "Merrily We Roll Along" is, was and will always be a flop. Brilliant! Ugh no, bad theater. Damn, some of the reviews over at ATC about the screening ran longer than the original production did.
- Yes, Gabrielle was the Jackman (and Wilson's) Laurey in Oklahoma.
- If you want to see the audience for which Broadway is now aiming, take a stroll through Times Square any afternoon.
Those blocks are a disgusting mess of foreign and flyover tourists and bridge and tunnelers posing for iphone photos with shabby bobble-headed Disney and Pixar creatures, pop up empanada carts and ToysRUs stands and never-ending traffic reconstruction.
It was far more pleasant (and safer!) stepping over the crackheads and prostitutes in the 1970s.
- They were talking of transferring the MERRILY, right? With the three leads, and a co-director, it might have a similar improvement as the Mendes(-Marshall) Cabaret.
- [quote]It was far more pleasant (and safer!) stepping over the crackheads and prostitutes in the 1970s.
Erm, no. Just, no. More pleasant is up to personal taste. And I have no love for the Touristfrauen. But safer??? Please.
- Have not seen Fun Home yet but good bad or indifferent heres to something original--not using period music or a regurgitated light weight screenplay on stage
- A Time To Kill-seriously dull as freaking dirt-poorly adapted (and really, what exactly was the point) poorly directed, poorly cast
what was the rush to bring this inert production in from the Arena??
- Nina Arianda coming back to MTC-lets see what exactly she can do since she gave the exact same performance in Born Yesterday and Venus in Fur-
- [quote]Broadway is pitched at Dallas. The New York audiences are done with a show in 2 months, & the rest of a long run is Dallas. Everyone involved in musicals especially knows this.
What are you talking about? I'm from Dallas, and we get tours for the same two-week or so timeframe as other major markets. And sometimes we don't get shows until the second go-around. (Though this is less true since the new Opera house was built downtown.) Were you just using Dallas as a metaphor for touring? Bizarre statement regardless.
- I couldn't make the Merrily, but would still like to see it sometime. Are they planning to release it on DVD?
- They did with the NY Phil Company which was broadcast. I imagine it's possible they will do the same with Merrily.
- Am I the only one who sees gay tension between Charlie and Franklin? I always kind of think Charlie is in love with Franklin.
- The only tension between Charlie and Franklin is whether or not the audience gets up and walks out before the end (or is it the beginning?) A dog is always a dog, even if it's got a new collar.
- I did not write that post r166 but I interpreted Dallas as to mean the overweight, unsophisticated, white masses found in the rest of the United States.
- Does anyone remember the names of the alleged big dicked theatre actors mentioned in the last theatre thread? I can't find it now.
I think Norm Lewis and Tyler Maynard were two of them but I can't remember the others.
- James Naughton
- I read online that durig one of her recent chat shows with Seth Rudestky, Patti Lupone ranted negatively about Stephen Sondheim and allegedly called him a "cranky ass"
Is this true? Does she hate him now too? I was saddened to read it because I thought they got along since only a couple years ago she sang at his b-day program.
Are there any famous composers Patti doesn't feud with?
- Well, he BETRAYED her by not writing Sunset Boulevard in the 80s and sparing Patti the ALW mess.
[quote]James Riordan belongs to the same club that Tyler Maynard, Roger Bart, Norm Lewis et al belong to.[quote]
that Google is a treasure!
- John Gallagher,jr has a nice member.
- Hey R177, are you really an escort? Either way MORE DETAILS PLEASE!
- When has TheWhoreFrom70st implied that he gets paid for his whoredom?
- So Kat Dead Eyes McPhee was fucking her SMASH director all along, it seems.
- MERRILY was a mixed bag - the only lead that sort of worked was Mary, and even she was shaky. And the first scene has to be one of the worst written pieces of melodrama in a musical. Nothing like a camera to bring out the flaws.
The production was really chintzy - looks like they took a bland New York apartment and just cleared out all the furniture. I was dying to get out of it.
But, thankfully, it's one show where the second act is way better than the first, so by the end it becomes somewhat likeable. I'm curious why they made the decision to bring the entire cast on during the finale to gaze like deer in the headlights at the audience, totally cutting the emotional impact of the three leads during their "first" interaction.
And in my mind, Raul was the best Charlie in the DC production.
- Paul Anthony Stewart is packin.. vpl
- R181- I pretty much agree with everything you said about that production last night.
- What's the first scene, r182? Have never seen it.
- R177. There'a nice switch: an Irishman without the curse! A pity there's not a face to match.
- What's the curse?
- R186. Seriously? Guess so. It's a tiny peen.
- Is it being too drunk to get it up?
- OMG. There must be a 100 comments on ATC about the Merrily film from the usual zombie suspects. You'd think it had been a masterpiece shown in cinemas last night instead of one of Steve's lesser efforts. Still, it's better than hours of Anyone Can Whistle chatter.
- Why would Patti be bitching about Sondheim these days? Did he nix a possible production with her recently?
- I didn't like "Merrily" but I'm grateful I got the chance to see it.
- To people who know the show, has Gussie's "big number" always been the same song?
- Does anyone know if the character names in "Merrily" were kept from the original Kaufman and Hart play? Because one thing that always seems off to me is a character changing her name to "Gussie" in the '60s.
- Well, the character was meant to be called Dolores, but Mama threatened to kill Sondheim and Furth.
- Gussie was short for Augusta, a perfectly lovely name in 1864.
- Has anyone ever considered writing a musical version of "Valley of the Dolls"? Seems like it could work either as a straight adaptation, or a campy send-up.
- [R194]: All the character names were changed from play to musical.
- All those ATC denizens questioning SS's integrity--they don't know how good they've got it. Thank God he's putting his imprimatur on productions, however imperfect, for posterity. Because, let's face it, once he's gone, the Broadway musical is over. After him, the deluge. We're already up to our necks in the swirling waters of mediocrity as it is. All those rigorous standards, all those pesky issues of craft, style, design, intelligence, humor, something to say...all will be forgotten, if not outright and vigorously shunned as "old-school."
- R166, I'm from Fort Worth (have lived in NYC for almost 14 years now) and was wondering how Bass Hall going up in downtown Fort Worth a few years ago has affected Broadway touring companies. Do they still only stop in Dallas or do they go through Fort Worth first now?
Bass Hall is absolutely beautiful, so I can't imagine it wouldn't be appealing to a touring company, but then playing Fort Worth has never had the allure of playing Dallas (plus, before Bass Hall, there weren't many places for them to play other than Tarrant County Convention Center or possibly Will Rogers Coliseum).
- Nice encounter with a star story:
One of the young female lawyers I work for (who loves theater as much as I do) went to see "Twelfth Night" last Sunday and was sitting in one of the seats located onstage. While waiting for the show to start and watching the actors milling about around her, out of nowhere Mark Rylance walks over to her and just strikes up a conversation with her and they talked for a good 20 minutes before the show started. She said it was such a surprise but that he was really nice and seemed just like a regular good guy (oh, and she said she enjoyed the show, too).
- [quote]Because, let's face it, once he's gone, the Broadway musical is over.
- R196, there was a campy send-up stage version of Valley Of The Dolls. It was Off-Broadway in the late 80s or early 90s. It was pretty funny. I think it was only on for a limited time because the company was based in Chicago.
- R136 got it right all around,I'm afraid including " its subject is exactly what those dudes presumably know the best: how to become famous..."
- Yes, (R202) and I loved the newspaper ads
"Broadway doesn't go for BOOZE and DOLLS . . ."
but this is OFF-Broadway!!
- The off broadway VO was a scream. Played at the old Circle in the Square downtown. Kate Flannery was Neely. They did the entire screenplay. More imaginative than most of the shit I've seen on broadway. Wasn't crazy about Jackie Beat as Helen Lawson but she did wear exact replica's of Helen's pants suits (in a much larger size).
Shame it didn't run longer.
- Without quite saying so, Brantley gives us a dose of early Thanksgiving turkey with his review of The Snow Geese. He doesn't much like Mary=Louise Parker either.
- Pics of DL fave Karen Ziemba in "Hello, Dolly!"
- Who is touching Raul's penis nowadays?
- Critics are crapping on The Snow Geese.
- So is MERRILY the new FOLLIES?
- The MERRILY movie was the same script we got from MTI. I was waiting for some reimaging but no. I hate how this new script makes Gussie the reason it all goes to shit. It's Franklin. I didn't care for the direction (All those over the top queens in the chorus dressed like Carmen Ghia!) and thought Beth was TERRIBLE. Jenna Russell as Mary was fantastic. The iodine in the eyes is ridiculous. And, yes, Lin Manuel was terrible as Charley K at Encores. That's all.
- Saw "Gentleman's Guide" tonight and unexpectedly loved it (I was never a big fan of the movie). Jefferson Mays is brilliant and Bryce Pinkham does a good job. It starts a little slow but builds momentum throughout the show. Since they just started previews, I expect it to be even tighter/better in a few weeks. It makes me very happy to see a musical I actually liked a lot. It's been awhile since I could say that.
Oh, and there are two cute male ushers up in the mezz.
- BIG FISH or PIPPIN? My friend really wants to see both, his birthday is coming up, but I can only afford one, not both, so which is better?
- Another vote for PIPPIN.
- I'm a day late, but wanted to put my two cents in re Merrily...
I love the score, but this is the first time I've seen any production. I couldn't have been more disappointed. The play simply doesn't work. The characters are unlikable, and I don't see anything wrong with what Franklin Shepherd did. At the end of the play -- or, rather, the beginning -- was was doing something he was good at and was very successful at it. It wasn't what Mary and Charlie wanted him to do, but so fucking what? He shouldn't live his life for two rather needy, selfish friends. I thought the problem was that Charlie and Mary had unrealistic expectations of Franklin, and not that Franklin "sold out," which undermined the intent of the play. It was terrible, and I can't imagine it ever working. (Well I can: each scene should present a situation in which Franklin can do either the morally right or morally wrong thing, and he consistently chooses the morally wrong one. It would illustrate the Shakespeare phrase why gain a fortune to lose a soul, but I'm not sure that's the intent of the play. It would be interesting, though, to see the series of choices one makes in order to get ahead.) As it is, it is a major fail.
- Will the critics praise the kinda shitty Betrayal because it's already sold out?
- Seeing "Gentleman's Guide" next week. I am a musical virgin, so I hope my first musical ends up being good.
- Thanks, r203!
- Saw VOTDolls...it was just ok. It closed fast because I heard that the idiot producers didn't bother to secure the rights to do it.
- Your collective delight in anything having anything to do with VALLEY OF THE DOLLS is clear evidence of your banality and bathetic taste, you DLers, and all your ruminating on Sondheim and MERRILY and Lin Manuel Miranda is hereby fully discredited.
And Manuel - though he was miscast! - was nonetheless the only member of the cast of the Encores MERRILY who even had a pulse.
You hate him because he isn't a bland hairless white guy with big naked pink feet.
Stop your racism, it's tacky.
- Sondheim HIMSELF edited the MERRILY film and talks about it in this long article from BroadwayWorld last week for those interested. Friedman explains a lot of the staging and concept, too.
- Definitely Pippin, R213.
- In the curtain call photos for The Snow Turkey, Victoria Clark looks for all the world like she's channeling Christine Quinn. I wonder why. I also wonder if VC misses her Cinderella drag.
- r174 when I saw LuPone with Rudetsky in London he asked her why she didn't do more Sondheim. She replied that she thought he didn't really like her. End of. No histrionics.
- I hope the next person who writes anything a on this thread about Merrily blows up into a million pieces.
Good God, and you people complain about the pre-teen idiots on ATC. Ladies, puleeeze
- I'm less interested in VOTD than in why All About Eve hasn't been adapted for the stage (I mean the screen version). A million aging actresses could kill as Margo.
- All About Eve has been done as a staged reading a number of times; I remember one with Charles Busch as Margo Channing.
- I feel bad for Patti. For years after her public feud with Webber, she clung to Sondheim only to find out he doesn't like her.
He loves Bernadette but doesn't like Patti or Betty Buckley.
Sad because Patti and Betty are great singers too.
- I don't think there are many roles for LuPone in Sondheim's shows. The likes of Stella in FOLLIES would be "beneath" her.
- Angela Lansbury was announced to be a guest recently at two "gala" evenings and didn't turn up. She's suddenly invisible to the Broadway community. Should I be concerned?
- Patti would make a great Sally in Follies. She can relate to the bitterness of being horribly disappointed in life and her Losing my Mind would be stellar!
- R226. The idea of ATC members blowing up with any further mention of Sondheim is hysterical. Would that it could happen!!! But you do have one thing wrong: the ATC zombies are all ancient; it's the Broadway World contributors who are prepubescent and barely literate. The ATC people stayed up all night still arguing about the good and (mostly) bad points of the Merrily film.
- The mean girls at BWW are not prepubescent (though they may appear it). Take the Jared Leto-inspired user, for example.
- Saw Gentleman's Guide last night. I ended up enjoying it. Talented cast, first act was too long, second act had more laughs for me, music is unmemorable but fits the style of the show, sets very clever, costumes gorgeous, whirlwind quick changes. Some of the bits were sophomoric. I think the critics will love it. Lots of pigs in the audience slurping away on their drinks while watching the show and on the way out, I noticed plastic cups left on the seats! The muthafuckers couldn't even bother to put them in the trash. So infruriating. The Kerr is a stunning theater. Why do they allow this????
- [quote]The ATC people stayed up all night still arguing about the good and (mostly) bad points of the Merrily film.
Of course not one mention of how the score is totally forgettable. It's everybody's fault the show sucks but Sondheim.
- Patti as Sally?????? With that fat ass???? The audience would roar when Phyllis tells her that she is as cute as ever. But like Bernadette, she would cry during Losing My Mind. Speaking of fat asses, who has the bigger one- Patti or Harriet Harris?
- They didn't roar when Maxwell told Vicky C that.
- To be fair the role of Sally is supposed to be overweight. That was a bone of contention among critics when Bernadette played it. Sally is supposed to in her words "have a tummy"
I actually think the perfect casting would be Patti as Sally and Bernadette as Phyllis. Patti hates Bernadette and is jealous of her career and would bring that to the role.
But if Patti and Sondheim are on the outs don't look for it to happen.
A Follies queen i know u are all tired of talking about Follies but still
- Indeed they did, only it was in Los Angeles and you just didn't hear the laughter.
- MERRILY! MERRILY! is this not the theater thread?
- LuPone isn't an aging fairy tale princess, like Sally.
LuPone is ALL WRONG for Sally.
You theater queens don't know what you're talking about.
LuPone as Phyllis is a better fit, but I don't think LuPone is Sondheimy, she's not dry enough - GYPSY notwithstanding. She was excellent in GYPSY, but it's not really a Sondheim show. I'm not one of the fans of her Mrs. Lovett, and I loathe PASSION, no matter's who's in it.
LuPone is an Italian neo-realist actress who can belt a Broadway song - Anna Magnani crossed with Ethel Merman. The women in FOLLIES are second-string MGM musical stars with thin voices and pretty heart-shaped faces.
- [quote] The women in FOLLIES are second-string MGM musical stars with thin voices
My voice was NEVER thin!
- LuPone's nothing like Merman, by the way. I was reaching for a comparison, and Merman was all I got. LuPone has her distinctly special way of singing, and her performance in ANYTHING GOES made clear the unreachable distance between her and someone like Merman. At this point in her career, it seems to me that she's a character singer, and she needs to be cast really carefully. I loved her in GYPSY, but I'm not really a fan, and I don't think she's actually in the tradition of a big chunk of the Bway musical idiom. Similar to Esparza in that regard. But her Rose Hoving was one of my like ten all-time favorite Bway performances, so there's that.
- LuPone wouldn't be any better as Phyllis than as Sally. Fishwives don't host dinners for UN officials.
LuPone probably could have played Mary in MERRILY. She certainly would have eaten up the opening scene.
- And in what piece did she play "Rose Hoving"?
- Can you talk about LuPone without being specifically insulting to women?
Knock it off.
- Hovick, my bad, r246.
Are you unfamiliar with the expression? It has no relation to "women = fish".
- LuPone is playing a Jewish fishwife right now in an HBO pilot called People In New Jersey. She plays Sarah Silverman's character's mother.
- r249, I know "fishwife" is not the same as "women = fish," but: You all just love to insult LuPone, insult insult insult, in a particularly vicious tone, and your glee in trashing her is, if you ask me, all wrapped up in your contempt for women.
- [quote] I know "fishwife" is not the same as "women = fish," but: You all just love to insult LuPone, insult insult insult, in a particularly vicious tone, and your glee in trashing her is, if you ask me, all wrapped up in your contempt for women.
In other words, your "knock it off" has nothing to do with my comment. Good.
- Patti is a great Sally. Unfortunately she's fighting with Sondheim now so that's down the tube.
- [quote] Patti is a great Sally
Where? In her living room?
- She's playing Margaret White right now on COVEN: AHS.
- Patti could sing the hell out of it. Ok a new concert Follies then. She can sing Sally.
- Oh, jesus, now you've woken up the Stop Fanning The Flames Of Patti Hatred Troll.
- R247/251, are you the creature who keeps inserting yourself into various threads and castigating everyone for "hatred of women" even when that charge isn't deserved?
If so, YOU knock it off. Or, please, spontaneously combust. That would be nice.
P.S. Please not how I managed to read you to filth without using any specifically anti-women insults, or even assuming you're a woman. Whatever you are, you're insufferable.\t
- The joy of Sally's songs is that they give a singing actress the opportunity to display her chest and head voice equally.
That's why Dorothy Collins has never been equalled (I heard Vikki Carr came pretty close from a singing standpoint). Sopranos like Cook and Clark don't have much of a belt to speak of. While belters like Shani Wallis end up taking away the lightness of some of the vocal passages, as written.
LuPone is a belter. Her head voice does not compare to her belt.
- Oh crap. Put Patti in any role in Follies in the Poconos (or somewhere else way off the radar), and you creeps would have orgasms on the Turnpike getting there and back. It would make the ATC girls sane, by comparison.
- r258, Datalounge is a site that cheers and encourages and indeed is founded on hatred of women.
Read it, dude.
You'll see I'm right.
- [quote] indeed is founded on hatred of women.
That's your opinion and yet you're still here?
- I like to talk about showtunes, and ATC banished me for life.
So: If I'm gonna be here, I have to intervene against your misogyny. Otherwise, I'm an asshole.
- There is no "otherwise' require R263. You are an asshole, period.
- Patti and Betty fight and argue for the sake of the work. They may be terrors (although the stories of Patti are greatly exaggerated) but they deliver. Interesting that Sondheim would feud with them, but kisses Babs (I'm changing your words because it's not how I think your song should go) Streisand's ass.
P.S. It's been said that Buckley gave the best performance of Rose bar none.
- I remember liking Buckley as Rose, r265, but I don't actually remember a minute of her performance.
r264, and the women-hatred that poisons this site is something anyone with half a brain can see.
- Patti is wrong. Liz Callaway, maybe.
- Oh, joy. An umnedicated showtunes queen who reads racism and misogyny into every statement.
What have we done to deserve this? (and no, "hatred of women" is not the default answer.)
- I am not now, nor have I have been, umnedicated!
- Patti's enunciation is STILL variable. Sometimes she even overenunciates. Other times, it's back to the "Ibegtadifferyabilly" days.
I can see that as a bone of contention between her and Sondheim.
- Mark Rylance is doing theater the way it is SUPPOSED to be done - WITHOUT women!!
- Help. Is that unmedicated or uneducated? It could be either one, but it doesn't quite work as it is.
- It is interesting that Sondheim loves Barbara cook and Bernadette but hates Lupone and Buckley.
I wish Sondheim would give an interview as to why he hates Lupone!
- R261 Please sit on a rusty, tetanus covered iron spiked dildo.
- LuPone recounts in her own memoir having her ass handed to her by Sondheim over her mush-mouthed delivery of the PASSION lyrics in rehearsals for the PBS broadcast. And it wasn't that long ago, really.
As for Buckley, he hates the arrangements she uses. I think he may also have disliked her Rose (I know Laurents sure as hell did).
- Also, wasn't Buckley a pain in the ass during the Into The Woods workshop?
- [quote] Also, wasn't Buckley a pain in the ass every day of her life since the umbilical cord was cut?
There, fixed that for you.
- Buckley is a shit Desiree on the BBC Radio recording. It's a great pity that Diana Rigg dropped out.
- Leave Pattie Alone!
Get it right or you're fired!
- Blond Shiksa (Shikso?) Gods.
- I saw Buckley's Rose at Paper Mill Playhouse. Her singing was fabulous, but the portrayal itself wasn't persuasive. To be fair to her, she might make a terrific and very complete Rose with a different director.
And as for Arthur Laurents, [R279] is right. He was a hateful man.
- Her portrayal was lacking in Arizona as well. If she got two shots at it, and still didn't deliver...
- Why is it that DL has dozens of show tune queens that can't fucking spell Patti LuPone correctly?
- [quote] I like to talk about showtunes, and ATC banished me for life.
Me too. join the club. Now going on 9 years!
- R286 For that matter, why can't Patti spell it correctly herself? There's absolutely no justification for capitalizing the "P" in LuPone.
- Didn't she add the "Lu"?
- DL is the new Arthur Laurents
- Get a velvet hat for the baby
Get a velvet hat for the baby
Get a velvet hat for the baby...
- What does "23-skidoo" mean? Is it like a "birdie" in golf?
- "Skidoo" is what Stevie Sondheim says to any tricks when they turn 23 or older.
Skidoo, skiddadle, get the fuck out and bring me a new one!
- Oh, so he's just friends with that old 30-year-old with whom he lives?
- So if Buckley and LuPone are huge pains in the asses why did Sondheim put up with Stritch who was a BITCH and couldn't even sing? Because she was a sycophant of his (like she was with Coward)?
- [quote]Because she was a sycophant of his (like she was with Coward)?
Why ask a question if you know the answer?
- Stritch only did COMPANY, didn't she? The British producers saw sense about GYPSY.
- oh for christ's sake, elaine:
- "Get a velvet hat for the baby
Get a velvet hat for the baby
Get a velvet hat for the baby...
r291, was that Rita Moreno or Lainie Kazan? I'm still laughing about that, whichever it was.
- Isn't Sally supposed to project a sort of wide-eyed innocence thing in the beginning (before the depths of her pain and craziness get revealed as the evening progresses)? I feel like Patti would dome off sort of forced and phony trying to do that.
- r299--I remember it being Kazan, but could be wrong. Whoever did it, it's one of my favorite misbegotten ad-libs ever.
- r299 - that was Rita Moreno in Gypsy. A co-production with North Shore Music Theatre ….. WORST Gypsy ever.
Her non-sining daughter was cast as Gypsy. Rita was a monster. She flubbed lots of lines including the famous "get a feathered hat for the baby ….. get a feather hat for the baby …. get a feathered hat for the baby ….. Hey June - 23 Skiddo!" during Some People.
The non-sining daughter was miserable … The Little Lamb monologue with underscoring was painful. Watching Mamma Get Married as a solo was … interesting.
The best part was watching this very very long runway come barreling our of the VOM directly at la Moreno. They running crew hated her and before the cue would all quietly chant …. ready, aim … fire!
Moreno had to literally leap onto the runway during Rose's Turn.
Another "mother of the year" moment came when she was doing the final dressing room scene with Gypsy (her daughter) … Rita quiet moved the dressing room chair off of its spike … causing her real-life daughter/co-star to fall flat on her ass … in the round. After the show, the clueless daughter still had no idea how she missed the chair. Rita yelled at her "That will teach you to pay attention when you're in a scene with me!"
The Kazan story was when she did Desiree in Night Music - nobody liked her at all. She couldn't remember the lines of Send in the Clowns. So she has all the lyrics written on props from left to right on her onstage make up table. She would pick up a prop (read/sing) the line and move on to the next one ….
One night as the scene started, the wagon that delivered the small table with all the crib-sheet props hit a big bump as it entered. Props fell everywhere. On the floor, on the little chair, etc…
Kazan tried her best to rearrange things during the book scene … she was unsuccessful. As the song began … she panicked and sang the entire song with whatever prop she happened to be holding at the time. The only word she knew for sure was "CLOWN" and she sang it whenever she was searching for her next prop.
Neither woman was liked in these productions by the staff.
- r302 That is HILARIOUS!
I imagine the Patty Duke GYPSY was pretty bad as well.
- I bet Kazan's tits looked great, though.
LuPone is wrong for Sally in the same way she would have been wrong for Nellie Forbush. Sally is what Nellie would have been if she'd gone into showbiz and married the wrong guy. Naivete and optimism are two qualities LuPone could never play.
- I just heard audio of Andrea McArdle in the role. The band was pitiful. She would have been better off with just a Casio keyboard.
- Doris Day, Jane Powell, June Allyson.
They are the prototypes for Sally.
The perfect Sondheim role for Patti is Domina in Forum.
- Why did Ben Brantley produce a respectable, positive NY Times review for THE LANDING?
Everyone else eviscerated it.
- [quote]Did Arthur Laurents genuinely like anything or anyone?
- Hmm...When did Patty Duke do Gypsy? I imagine she'd be an interesting Rose, since her own story was of an exploited child star.
- Where did you hear that  ?
- That video of the now tiresome Elaine proves she needs to give up the booze and get back to Shady Pines and take up lanyard work or finger painting. It's history, kid.
- She was very muddled at the start, but that line about Angela Lansbury ("can we stop talking about her now?") was hilarious.
It's sad that "the audience" are her "real" friends. If I was Hunter Ryan Headlicka, I wouldn't be pleased. Then again, they might chalk it up to PR BS on Elaine's part.
- Moreno also changed into a beaded gown for the curtain call.
- [quote]Moreno also changed into a beaded gown for the curtain call.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
- Theater Talk finally airs its fall preview episode tonight. Michael Musto is always good for a laugh.
- "Did Arthur Laurents genuinely like anything or anyone?"
He was obsessed with Matt Cavenaugh during WSS.
- Did Laurents ever successfully get into Cavenaugh's pants?
- No, R317. And Cavenaugh had the nerve to get married to a woman which enraged Laurents.
- Hmmmmm......WEHT Cavenaugh? Has he done anything since WSS?
Yes, Matt has often danced on Arthur's grave.
- Last I heard, he was playing Superman in a production in Dallas possibly headed to Broadway, but that was well over a year ago, I think.
- Roma Torre refused to review THE LANDING on MORON STAGE today. She looked straight at the camera and scratched her head.
- Can the people who work on MORON STAGE not know people call it that?
- Does anyone know what actually happened regarding the Daniel Curry accident at Spiderman. I've read two different accounts now.
Was he onstage or backstage when his leg/foot got crushed in the automated scenery on the floor?
- Give it up 324. There will be no public info. Complete lock down. That will change once the show closes and then go on for years. Sad.
- R326 Shouldn't that be "I've done it three or four times"?
- Matt Cavenaugh was in that off-Broadway production of Death Takes a Holiday.
- Matt C did sing Maria completely nude for Arthur during the final callback. That's as far as it "went" - which is pretty far IMHO. No touching, but Arthur did require it before casting him.
- I'm hoping that Matt will someday reveal the hell that Arthur put him through during WSS.
- Speaking of Kathryn Erbe and Her Wig, is she still married to Terry Kinney?
- R332- I believe that they split and got a divorce years ago.
- [quote] Speaking of Kathryn Erbe and Her Wig, is she still married to Terry Kinney?
No, they got divorced in 2006.
- Is Terry married to anyone these days?
- R321, that Dallas production Superman made unauthorized changes and got shut down. It's never coming to Broadway. The new book by gay playwright Roberto Aguire-Sacasa (might have gotten that spelling wrong) was a dismal fan-boy failure.
- No discussion of the LCT/Ethan Hawke Macbeth with three male witches? (John Glover, Malcolm Gets, Byron Jennings.)
- Nice to hear Malcolm is working.
- The hell with those aging, rather appropriate casting choices for witches, what about DANIEL SUNJATA?
- I agree, R338. Had no idea he was in the Hawke Macbeth.
- Please. I want to hear only about Jonny Orsini. Is there a moment to view his penis, and if so where is it best to sit? Thank you.
- When Patti Lupone decides to respect the liberttos and and the audience by ennuciating, I'll spell her name correctly.
- R342. You need to spell more than Patti's name correctly!
- Could there be anyone blander and more generic than Johnny Osini? His bland nakedness was the catalyst for the NY Times to write a huge article about how uninteresting generic nudity is on Broadway.
- I believe I was the inspiration for Dame Brantley and Lady Isherwood's thoughts on nakedness...
- Except he never actually got naked on-stage, which is a shame, because it may have enlivened that crappy revival.
- John Glover and Malcom Gets look like aging witches anyway...don't know the other one, so it's good type casting. Does this one take place in a mental institution also? Alan C. would make a great aging witch too. But he is due to play an aging M.C. soon.
- Has anyone here met or worked with Lisa Kron? What's she like? Interesting article on her this week in the Times.
- Follies? Patti? A New Yorker's wet dream.
- GYPSY with Patti closed early. FOLLIES would close even quicker.
- R350, But it would enable all the Patti and Follies lunatics to combine those two topics, good for, say, 300 entrie in one thread! That would cause Prime Time to get into nonstop mode.
- I don't think there are many Patty fanatics on DL.
- I agree.
- Jeanine Tesori has hidden magic
- [quote]Jeanine Tesori has hidden magic
Maybe she should stop hiding it, then.
- Shit List was bad enough Off-B"way but it's absolute shite on Broadway.
- First Date is homophobic...discuss.
- I would have to see it first. That's not going to happen, even if it runs as long as Phantom.
- Byron Jennings is the straight witch, I guess. He was kind of hot back in the day.
- Why was Scott Brown replaced by Jesse Green as drama critic for New York?
- I defy anyone who has seen Gentleman's Guide to hum one melody from the score after leaving the theater!
John La Chiusa
- Well, John (R362) Michael etc, I saw it yesterday and can hum a couple of tunes, "Sibella", and "I've Decided to Marry You" off the top of my head.
I think they need to tighten it up, get a few more good laughs in the first 15 minutes and add some exit music so (R362) can hum something, but I liked it a lot. Jefferson needs to improve his diction in the musical numbers. Both women are just stunning.
It plays more like a play than a musical despite the huge amount of music. Reminded me of She Loves Me in that respect. I'm sure it will be done by colleges and regional theatres forever, but it will be interesting to see if it can make money on Broadway.
- R213 here. Forgot to come back and say thanks. I'm going for PIPPIN.
- Saw Gentleman's Guide... last night. It is just fine. The problem is whether there is a place for "just fine" on Broadway these days. The music is serviceable withing the context of the play, but there is not one memorable song. The one song that will stick with the audience is due to the bedroom farce staging, not the melody. The performances are fine, but nothing memorable. Unfortunately Jane Carr has very little to do. Mays, is just fine. He hits all the marks and connects all the dots, but there is nothing that takes it beyond just fine. My one complaint is the costumes. They are Edwardian 1950s. Unless one is aware that the film was released in 1951, they make no sense what-so-ever. Oh wait! The musical is based on the book NOT the movie so that can't be it! (Yeh, right).
- "It plays more like a play than a musical despite the huge amount of music."
What does that mean exactly? I mean, SOUTH PACIFIC and LADY IN THE DARK are certainly "musical plays" but no one would say they aren't musicals per se. Is it the emphasis on characterization rather than plot, sung soliloquies rather than ensemble set-pieces and production numbers?
- R366, I don't understand the comment either. I can only assume it is because the musical has a very British sense of understatement. It isn't the typical larger than life world of the musical comedy. It does have dance numbers, but they are in the style of real British music hall. There are plenty of ensemble set-pieces.
- PlayWiz on ATC thinks Elaine Stritch would have been a perfect Mary in Merrily if the show had appeared in the 40s or 50s. Really? Doesn't he/she realize that Elaine popped out of the womb pretty much as she is today, and by age 8 she was already a tiresome harridan?
- Why no discussion of Betrayal or other straight plays (except for the ghastly TGM)?
Should this thread be retitled "Tiresome Musical Theater Gossip # Infinity?"
- It's been so long that Broadway has seen a new musical with a literate book that Gentlemen's Guide seems to be confusing r363.
- Christine Pedi was on Suze Orman talking about her debt. Anyone see it?
- R363, I overheard one of the creative team saying that they are putting in a "new opening2 this week. Actually, I could not tell from the conversation if it is an entirely new opening or tweaking the existing opening. Regardless, it seams that someone close to the show agrees with you.
- [quote]Christine Pedi was on Suze Orman
Does Suze's gf know? (Or, for that matter, does Kathleen Chalfant's?)
- I totally get what R353 is saying. Musicals have a size and economy to their storytelling that plays, in general, do not. Having seen A GENTLEMAN'S GUIDE... in Hartford, the truth is that there is nothing in the story that calls for the bigness of music and singing. What's the old adage? "When words no longer suffice, sing." There's no moment like that in this show. I actually think the songs are very well done and quite clever, but there's no need for them.
I felt the same way about BETTY BLUE EYES in the UK. Why go to the trouble of musicalizing this particular story?
- [quote] Why no discussion of Betrayal or other straight plays (except for the ghastly TGM)?
Because no one can afford tickets to Betrayal.
- I saw Betrayal and wrote a mini-review here. I liked it until the end, when the other guy played his scene with Rachel Weisz in a manner that was too broad, too comic. It seems almost a cliché to say, but Daniel Craig and his wife had amazing chemistry onstage, even when they were at odds.
The audience was easily the best-dressed audience I have seen outside the Met's Grand Tier. No unshowered, out-of-shape theater queens and aging actresses wearing clothes popular 20 years ago.
That being said, based on the comments I overheard during the scene changes, the young members of the audience behind me had no clue as to what was going on.
- r375 someone must be able to afford them- it's selling out.
- Pinter is as hard to sit through as Stoppard and his gobbledygook.
- By "Both women are just stunning", do you mean Lisa O'Hare as Sibella Hallward and Lauren Worsham as Phoebe D'Yquith, r363? Having not seen it, it's not entirely clear to me from the billing who the leading women are.
Also, none of these GENTLEMEN'S GUIDE reports seem to be mentioning cutie Bryce Pinkham, which I guess means he doesn't make much of an impression?
- Bryce is totally charming with a nice voice. I do not give the show any great chances of a long run....the matinee ladies will like it as will Ben Brantley. And yes- the women are stunning- looks and voices.
- I'm suprised they didn't do it in London first.
- I think London would not be interested, Patina. They hated Drood (even with Lulu!) and weren't interested in The Drowsy Chaperone. New musicals not based an an 80's chick flick are a harder sell in London than on Broadway these days.
- The Ladykillers - admittedly not a musical - but a comedy nonetheless, did well.
- "Musicals have a size and economy to their storytelling that plays, in general, do not. Having seen A GENTLEMAN'S GUIDE... in Hartford, the truth is that there is nothing in the story that calls for the bigness of music and singing. What's the old adage? "When words no longer suffice, sing." There's no moment like that in this show. I actually think the songs are very well done and quite clever, but there's no need for them."
Got it. In other words, in a musical where the songs have emotional largesse and a raison d'etre (as it should be in ALL musicals), the libretto is essentially sculpted to give the score pride of place. But if the songs are consistently expository, patter-ish or at the service of an unlyrical story, the result is less a bonafide musical than seemingly a play with added songs.
- like GYPSY!
- How the fuck does any of this apply to SHE LOVES ME?
- Pinter was the hipster of British theater. You either "get" him or you don't, and if the actors and director don't "get" him it's not going to work. Some of his plays are harder to put across than others. If you're good enough to do "Godot," you can handle "The Caretaker." Obviously Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen will have no trouble at all with "Godot," but until the reviews come out I'm skeptical as to whether or not they can put over "No Man's Land."
"Betrayal" probably gets produced as often as it does because everybody thinks, oh, it's about a love triangle, that's a universal theme. WRONG. It's a play about a certain kind of emotionally stunted literary intellectual and if you're not conversant enough with that type to slip into their skins and do Cirque de Soleil level nuance for two hours, you might as well just put on "Same Time, Next Year."
- R336, that's not true at all about the Dallas SUPERMAN being unauthorized and shut down. It was completely authorized, and Strouse and Adams wrote new songs for it. And it got very positive reviews from the local press. But the NY judgment from those who went to see it was that it was shit, which was accurate. Aguirre-Sicasa's crappy idea was to set it in 1939, which made no sense with the score which is so 60s-flavored.
- MATA HARI!
- Saw "Fun Home" this afternoon and it's absolutely worth seeing. I agree with those who say it would be a mistake to move it to Broadway...it's a very intimate piece and would lose a lot in a huge house. Though in a jewel box of a theater, it would do very well.
I really enjoyed all the performances, and the little kid playing young Alison is amazing. Kron's book & lyrics are masterful and as also pointed out--not too many shows out there where the lead is an out butch dyke.
NB: If it still works, there's a discount code, "KEYS" that takes the tickets down to about $55 (from about $90).
- The SUPERMAN comic books of the 1960s had the characters dressed in 1939 fashions so is setting the musical in that era really so far off?
- I always thought that Jewel Box would be a great name for a drag queen. The reason I have no desire to see this is exactly because the lead in Fun Home is a big dyke.
Did that make you avoid shows with Mary Martin?
- Is Cavenuagh hung?
- Did Gavin Creel get close to landing Tony in WSS?
- I want to smell Gavin Creel's sweaty nutsack.
- Gavin Creel is the only person who could make Matt Cavenaugh's Tony look tough by comparison.
- Dame Brantley on Betrayal:
Instead, Robert, Emma and Jerry make up the rowdiest, most extroverted sexual triangle since Liza Minnelli, Burt Reynolds and Gene Hackman caterwauled their way through the ill-fated film “Lucky Lady” in 1975. And I can safely say that this production has the highest decibel level of any version I have encountered.
- R395 [quote]Did Gavin Creel get close to landing Tony in WSS?
Probably closer than he ever got to landing *A* Tony.
- The 1980 Tony was shit too.
- R398. According to most accounts: ewwww.
- This just in--Scott Rudin will be producing a stage version of Lucky Lady, starring Raul Esparza, Norbert Leo Butz and Lea Michele.
- R403. The only person missing from that bizarre lineup is Mary Testa. Write apart for her, please.
- I saw Ryan Landry's "Mildred Fierce" today, it was the closing performance.
Wow, it was like an over-rehearsed BoyBar show from 1988. To have the balls to take the one millionth stab at satirizing this piece without bothering to add anything truly clever is pretty bold. I have always liked Varla Jean Merman, but she's terribly miscast. She's always sweet and winning, and she doesn't really have that thing, that real star power. I would say it was Boston's idea of a Charles Busch show, written by someone who's never seen a Charles Busch show.
- Mary Martin was butch but the dyke in Fun Home makes Lea Delaria seem like Sophia Loren.
- Hey 392- I am too young to have seen Mary in musicals, but I did see her in a shitty play which I cannot remember the name of but it and she were awful-Played Broadway circa 1980 or thereabouts? I think it was supposed to be a comedy but the joke was on the audience.
Was I in it?
- Let's see Brantley LOVED Honeymoon in Vegas and it's middling to awful at BEST.
Brantley liked The Landing -- and that is a total crapfest at BEST
Brantley panned Betrayal... looks like I should get my tickets soon.
- R406- Was the play, "Do You Turn Somersaults?"
- Was the play "I Licked a Daisy"?
- [quote]Mary Martin was butch but the dyke in Fun Home makes Lea Delaria seem like Sophia Loren.
Hmm. You don't know your butches. The Fun Home lead is far more of a Kate Clinton/Rachel Maddow butch, not a Lea DeLaria type.
- Given all the reports that James Lapine stomped every inkling of humor out of his production of Annie, I was surprised at all the fun directorial touches in Little Miss Sunshine. It's very cleverly staged, and the audience on Friday night loved it. The script is a lot of fun, too, although I suspect it follows the movie script very closely, and maybe even uses some of the same lines.
I don't know if he was having an off night, but Will Swenson was very pitchy (a phrase provided by my friend who is a singer). Stephanie Block was terrific, as was the little girl who played Olive. There are two dud songs: the duet for the sullen teen and his gay uncle, and the one that Swenson sings about his dad. But the rest of the score is typical William Finn. If you liked his scores for Falsettos or 25th Annual Putnam Spelling Bee, you will enjoy this.
- [quote]Mary Martin was butch but the dyke in Fun Home makes Lea Delaria seem like Sophia Loren.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
- Paul Anthony Stewart .....mmmmm.
- [quote]...the rest of the score is typical William Finn. If you liked his scores for Falsettos or 25th Annual Putnam Spelling Bee, you will enjoy this.
- I was at Fun Home on Saturday. Thought it was fantastic. Not surprised by the extension. I think they should move it. It would be like Spring Awakening or Next to Normal -- run 18 months to the audience with taste.
- Here's an amuse bouche - everybody's favorite tap tap tapping singing/dancing banjo playing buddy winning her Tony in 2000.
- I love that KZ was the soul of professionalism even in her Tony acceptance speech!
- Well it amused me, but no so much in the bouche.
- Whats going on here?
- LUCKY LADY! LUCKY LADY!
- Wasn't Hank Azaria supposed to be in Betrayal? Did I dream that?
- [quote]Daniel Craig. He, of course, is Bond, James Bond, to most of us — a man widely perceived, especially by women of a certain age, as the hunkiest actor in movies.
oooooo frau slap! frau slap!!
- Why did Oscar Hammerstein have such an obsession with birds (especially larks)? So many of his lyrics include avian references: "a lark who is learning to pray," "a lark'll wake up in the medder", "the sweet silver song of a lark." And the more generic "fish gotta swim, birds gotta fly ..."
- He liked clams too.
- You're just realizing this, r424?
- R426 Two of the four songs referenced were written after 1949.
- no understudy for NPH in Hedwig? I wanted the equity healthcare
- Azaria is lined up for Mike Nichols's next secret project. And it's coming this season.
- Ah, Ally, you didn't show up for your performances when you were playing the role.
- Sponge Bob Square Pants -- the musical. I'm not kidding. It's happening.
- [quote] Two of the four songs referenced were written after 1949.
No, only one of them was:
"a lark who is learning to pray," - From "The Sound of Music" (1959)
"a lark'll wake up in the medder" - Oklahoma
"the sweet silver song of a lark." - Carousel (1945)
"fish gotta swim, birds gotta fly ..." Show Boat (1927)
- Is Time to Kill posting tonight?
- LUCKY LADY!! I love the idea of Raul and Norbert as hot crazy bootleggers.
Is Bobby Steggart too old for the Robby Benson role?
Sorry, Lea Michele has to go. Who can do the Liza role? Stephanie Block?
OR we could cast Bobby or Wesley Taylor or someone cute in the Liza role and have a Lucky Lady for 2014.
It can be the first Kander and Ebb jukebox musical. Finally some of those songs from Over and Over and The Visit can get used!
- [quote]It can be the first Kander and Ebb jukebox musical
Wasn't "And The World Goes Round" the first?
- The only good song in "Over and Over" is "At the Rialto." And the songs from "The Visit" would hardly fit into a piece of fluff like "Lucky Lady" - did you even see the movie? It was a piece of shit. There was a reason why - at a time when Liza was super-hot, and Reynolds and Caan, too - the movie bombed.
- [quote] "Lucky Lady" - did you even see the movie? It was a piece of shit. There was a reason why - at a time when Liza was super-hot, and Reynolds and Caan, too - the movie bombed.
I'm wondering if you've seen the movie? James Caan isn't in it. Gene Hackman, however, is.
- How does Nichols still direct? I thought he was dying.
- R434- Karen Ziemba could be the former show girl turned bar owner in Mexico, a role created for the musical. She gets a specialty song and dance in Act Two... and a featured TONY nom!
- "And The World Goes Round" was a revue, not a jukebox musical (R435).
I'm amused that (R436) was so uppity while confusing Gene Hackman and James Caan! I was joking about the whole thing-
. . .however, Love and Love Alone from The Visit should fit right into a zingy new Lucky Lady. Our own Karen Ziemba even sings it on a Kander and Ebb compilation!
- Paul Wontorek. Is he as insufferable in real life as he seems in his inane interviews?
- What's the word on "Rocky"? Sounds like a must pass musical.
- Yes 409! You get to come back next week!
- They are doing a version of The Visit next February in Vienna with the incredible Pia Douwes in the lead. Not the K+E version. Cheets said that she has one more show left in her....better hurry and produce her version for Broadway - though I heard it was Meh.
- Worse, R420, Facebook now has a group, "Forgotten Musicals." Looked like fun, now seemingly old gays -- there are photos -- correcting one another about how well they know show business. It reads like mostly they "are informed" because they've seen movies and read books about shows they are talking about. Of course there are the four or so where they've actually worked in the business, and four or so whereevery post is gay, LOL, about everything, as if they are just so with it.
- Oh my God, R445. That sounds awful. Like ATC where every poster is Alan Scott.
- There are a lot of tears in Forgotten Musicals FB group - the drama there is better than any play on Broadway right now.
- Well, Alan Scott is not every poster, perhaps every other one though. He is, mostly, generous and correct, so that alone is an asset on ATC. And he generally knows wht he is talking about!
- Does anyone know why Playbill and Broadway World didn't have their endless photo galleries of red carpet arrivals (the usual leeches), curtain calls, and the after party attendees for Betrayal? They love to pad out the celebrities and show 5 or 6 pix of each of them (some even backlit), bored out of their minds and resentful, as they arrive for the gala first nights.
- Yes R449 - there was no red carpet per Daniel's request. It was in one of the NY papers today.
Quite a few tv/film stars came out, but no red carpet.
- "Quite a few tv/film stars came out, but no red carpet."
Oh really. Out of what?
- Out "to see the show" smart-ass.
- Alan Scott is known by some as the Joyce Carol Oates of ATC.
- Was Mario Cantone at the opening of Betrayal?
- [quote]What's the word on "Rocky"? Sounds like a must pass musical.
Well, do you actually like musicals or do you just like to go on anonymous boards and bitch about them? It's a big hit. Why not? The film is a classic and a great love story that happens to be set in the boxing world. The music is very good and the moving set, where people in front of the stage get up and move so the ring for the finale moves out is sensational. YouTube it for scenes for the German production.
- Patrick Pacheco's book for revised PAL JOEY is shit. And half of the score has been dumped for songs from ON YOUR TOES and BOYS FROM SYRACUSE. And Joey is now black and bisexual. The narrator of the piece is a gay piano player who fucked Joe. It's a mess.
And no "Zip" or the character (reporter) who sang it.
- R455. Besides, Frank di Lella went to Hamburg and has seen it and liked it, and that's all that matters, isn't it?
- Though At The Rialto is the best song in Over and Over, there are several other good songs in it, most of them much better than their score for Curtains. And all of the scores of Curtains and Over and Over are better than one minute of the scores for Spring Awakening or Next to Normal.
- Well, yes, "The Skin of Our Teeth" is a good song, along with "At the Rialto." But the rest js pretty dreary. Curtains is on the level of "Woman of the Year" - so so, okay, unmemorable.
"The Visit" is a terrific score. Too bad Lansbury had to pull out of it originally.
- [quote]Quite a few tv/film stars came out
I've always wondered how the ticket/seating arrangement works for big opening nights if a lot of stars are expected to show. Do the stars who are coming get their tickets (and know where they'll be seated) far ahead of time or do the show producers/PR people cut it as close as possible because people get moved around? (I'm thinking if Streep waits until two hours before curtain to say she wants to come, then some B-list star is gonna get bumped to orchestra left from orchestra center to make room for her.)
I figure the answer may be obvious but any inside info would be appreciated.
- [quote]The music is very good and the moving set, where people in front of the stage get up and move so the ring for the finale moves out is sensational. YouTube it for scenes for the German production.
So they actually make the people in the first few rows move at some point during the show? Do they seat them upstage or something?
The YouTube videos look awful. That running up the stairs bit looks so hokey.
- The Loudon numbers in Over and Over stopped the show. Military Man is an older song of theirs. The Moses Song was fun. And This Life was quite nice and Sherie Rene Scott recorded it on an album.
- I love "Zip!" but does it actually play for an audience any more? I'm a child of the 90s and I had to look up a lot of the references (Sally Rand etc.)
- R460. Wow, that's a pretty stressful evening for actors and actresses, who are not known for their inward stability!
- When does Valesia Lekae return?
- Olympian Elvis Stojko to Join Broadway's CHICAGO as 'Billy Flynn' in March 2014
Good God-make it stop....
- Is the new Pal Joey set in the same era or did they move it forward? If it's set in the same time period, there's no excuse for ditching "Zip." If not, it might not work.
- For the love of God, R467, please tell us you're kidding.
- I hope before CHICAGO closes they film the production, like RENT, but with the worst cast.
Christie Brinkley IS Roxie!
Kelly Osbourne IS Mama Morton!
- I remember Elvis from the Olympics years ago...he has a huge head and is sorta stumpy. Dorothy Hamill as Roxie! How You doin?
- Wasn't Elvis the skater who complained about how effeminate Johnny Weir was? I wonder how he's finding the chorus boys.
- Seriously, I can't use the word e*f*f*e*m*i*n*a*t*e? That's been banned?
- Johnny Weir IS Mary Sunshine!
- Johnny Weir is Little Miss Sunshine.
- Matt Doyle is NOT Little Miss Sunshine.
- Johnny Weir to headline a revival of "Starlight Express" ... on ICE!
- Johnny Weir is a Vera.
- Johnny Weir for Mame, Tom Daley for Vera
- [quote]So they actually make the people in the first few rows move at some point during the show? Do they seat them upstage or something?
The YouTube videos look awful. That running up the stairs bit looks so hokey.
Why hokey? It's iconic. Ever been to Philly? Everyday, 37 years later people still run up those stairs. Yes, the audience in front is moved as the boxing ring moves off the stage to the middle of the orchestra and sit in risers behind it. A quick look is at 1:48 here, you can freeze it. And Andy Karl who is not in this video will win the Tony.
- If there is a gay Company there needs to be a gay Mame.
Thomas Roberts is Mame
Don lemon is Vera
Anderson Cooper is Gooch!
- There was a Mame with men:
- Johnny Weir IN "The Weir".
- Is the same set designer who did Cats doing Rocky where the ring moves out instead of up like the tire? It was easier in Cats- they didn't have to move the audience onstage....they were already there in the cheap seats.
- Rocky the musical...will it use the film's diction?
- Good God, a theater thread and NOTHING, not a beep, about Macbeth at Lincoln Center? Give me a fucking break.
- Smell R490!!!!!!!
- If Jonny Orsini isn't showing his dick and hairy asshole again, then we're not interested, r490!
- Why does Brantley make reference to "Lucky Lady" as if it was a musical. It wasn't. Liza performed exactly one song in it, alone. I guess he's just pretending to have seen it.
"Curtains" on par with "Woman of the Year"??
"Curtains" makes "Woman of the Year" look like "Carousel"!
- R490 See R337
- No, she performed two songs - Get While the Getting is Good and the title song.
- Hasn't Liza suffered enough? Why must she be dragged into this Betrayal debacle?
- Woman of the Year is crap. Between that and "The Act," Kander and Ebb have their own equivalents of Sondheim's crapfests Bounce and Passion.
- you seem like a cheerful,happy person r498.
- No word on Macbeth and no word on Blythe's and SJP's Pensacola.
- And no word about me, peoples?
- re: pensacola.
The play is awful and boring. Blythe is miscast. made me remember SJP is a pretty good stage actress.
- [quote]Hasn't Liza suffered enough? Why must she be dragged into this Betrayal debacle?
It's just payback Sweetie, because Liza continues to sing and we all suffer.
- The "gay" COMPANY is already scheduled for a full production at Roundabout next season.
- R501 Karen, hon, are you getting any offers after your star turn as papi Raul's ex-girlfiend (and Mrs. Hispano-Weiner) on SVU?
- [quote] The "gay" COMPANY is already scheduled for a full production at Roundabout next season.
Really? I thought Sondheim said "don't hold your breath" or something.
- I don't think Rocky: The Musical will be a success. Maybe I'm wrong, but it just seems like a terrible property to musicalize.
The people who love Rocky don't want to see a musical and the people who love musical theatre aren't Rocky fans.
Who is the audience?
- Gay company ain't happening.
- R468- They moved it to 1948. And the story is told by a gay piano player (new Pacheco book character) who has an affair with bisexual Joey.
- Rocky will be a big hit. All of the Jersey Boys crowd will flock to it.
- I could not stand 'jersey boys', meaning; 'rocky' will probably be a success.
- the Times just dismissed "Last Goodbye" in LaJolla. Guess Jeff Buckley is never going to make it to Broadway.
- Blast from the past:
Mark Bramble dust up with Mary Testa during 42nd STREET
Bramble apparently humiliated Mary which caused her to have a melt down during rehearsals. What exactly happened?
- Knowing Mary's reputation, I'm sure she was taking liberties with the script, and was probably adding lots of schtick. Just my guess.
Re: Lucky Lady, a song over the credits does not a movie musical make.
"Woman of the Year" is a bit dopey, but it's actually a nicely constructed, fun show. "Curtains", and "The Rink" are pretty deadly, and dull on top of shitty.
- DL fav KAREN!
- I really like Liza's rendition of "Get While The Gettin'
Is Good" in Lucky Lady. It's the best Chicago-type song that was never in Chicago. The shot of the Mexican child busboy seemingly entranced by Minnelli is amusing. As is the shot of the gigolo being dumped by his sugar mama.
- Forget "Lucky Lady" -- how about "Funny Lady"?
- The Lucky Lady idea was a joke and yet it has more traction than After Midnight or Gentlemen's Guide!
How about a musical of A Matter of Time with Liza in the Ingrid Bergman role and Leslie Kritzer or Jessie Mueller as Liza?
They can duet on The Me I Haven't Met Yet- if it's not used in Lucky Lady: Das Musical!
- How about a stage version of The Fan? With Manhattan Plaza resident Jan whatsername bringing down the house with "Hearts, Not Diamonds" before Bobby Steggert emerges from the orchestra aisle to stab her to death
- I love The Fan!!!
- Andrew Lippa singing the title role in the composer's own (inane) I Am Harvey Milk is simply not to be believed. How does this guy get hired for anything?
- R506- When Sondheim said "don't hold your breath", he meant while guzzling vodka underwater.
- "Get While The Gettin' Is Good" video
- r519 has a better idea than most producers/composers/lyricists of the last 20 years.
- Why am I the only musical theatre Karen that never gets the love here?
Tell me, DL gays!
- Would have posted this on the running Cheyenne Jackson thread, but could no longer find it.
He's been reunited with the man he loves . . .
- Wait r526 - is he the scientist he was dating? Or is he the hustlerish guy?
- R525. Dear Karen. I think the general DL feeling is that mlop is covering all the possible love in the world for you, and that's probably more than enough!
- "Wait [R526] - is he the scientist he was dating? Or is he the hustlerish guy?"
The guy in the photo is new bf, Jason Landau.
- Tina Landau?
- Okay, so Cabaret starring Michelle Williams is coming to Broadway. Michelle and Heath's daughter is Matilda. Goddaddy Jake Gyllenhaal has become a surrogate father to Matilda since Daddy's overdose. Jake recently worked at the Roundabout. The Roundabout is producing Cabaret. Therefore, I see Jake as Cliff Bradshaw in Cabaret with best buddy Michellle Williams as Sally Bowles.
- Why, thank you, R524.
(takes virtual bow)
- Oh! R529 What a SLUT! Another new bf!
Where is his shame?
- My god, Cheyenne's husband really missed a bullet getting out of the downward spiral that is becoming Cheyenne Jackson.
- Why r535? Just because he broke up with someone and started dating again?
- I've learned that Lauren Bacall's assistant now checks this board. Be careful ladies!
- [quote] Why [R535]? Just because he broke up with someone and started dating again?
No, because he just looks a drugged up mess.
[quote] I've learned that Lauren Bacall's assistant now checks this board. Be careful ladies!
Isn't she in a nursing home now?
- [quote]No, because he just looks a drugged up mess.
- they look twerked in that pic, honestly.
- He posted a pic of the new bf's brother. The brother has the big teefs as well. I'm thinking the "dentures due to meth teeth" story isn't true.
- Bacall is not in a nursing home. She is home at the Dakota but on a walker, I believe
- Ewan MacGregor in Roundabout's Real Thing next October.
Endless meaningless unnecessary revivals.
- [quote]Endless meaningless unnecessary revivals.
Uh, that has kinda been the point of the Roundabout since its very beginning. They only started to do new plays recently. You really cant fault a theater company for doing what they set out to do.
The quality of the revivals is another matter. However, they went through a period in the 1980s when their work was dreadful, and then it improved. I think part of the problem is that nobody is willing to do a revival that is just that, a revival, rather than a re-imagining, etc. Part of the problem with so many of the revivals, is that the production team did not trust the material.
- "The Roundabout went through a period in the 1980s when their work was dreadful, and then it improved."
- What I meant was: Did it improve?
- that footage of Sally Struthers in Dolly is tragic-notice how they never actually let you hear her sing?
- agreed another revival of The Real Thing is unnecessary
Morton should be good-is there a reason to announce this a full year in advance though? The real question though is why do we need what is essentially a regional theatre-producing (in multiple venues no less) on broadway
- [quote] notice how they never actually let you hear her sing?
Tovah could've done with their publicity person when she did GYPSY.
- Stoppard, Pinter, a lot of Shakespeare all in one year? Makes me want to sit through First Date again.
- Thoughts on Paul Wontowreck, please?
- I like the interviews I've seen. He's not afraid to go into potentially "dangerous" territory, e.g. Betty Lynn's "persona non-grata" status on Broadway.
- Did anyone see Kate Baldwin in Seesaw? I heard she was really good.
- I saw the wig of Kathryn Erbe...
- R555. But did you see the Tori Spelling sex tape? Or the Michael Arden dick pics?
- MacGregor not Morton r 549. Even better.
- I heard Kathryn Erbe's wig is now making an appearance on Malcolm Gets' head as Macbeth's 3rd Witch from the left.
- Even with all this talk about Kathryn Erbe, her wig is only the second-most discussed lately-- Megan Boone's on "The Blacklist" is getting dissed just about everywhere.
- I assumed Morton was Samantha.
- that footage of Sally Struthers in Dolly is tragic-notice how they never actually let you hear her sing?
For the starring role in a musical, Dolly really doesn't 'sing' many songs, she introduces them. With the exception of 'I Put My Hand In' in Act I and 'So Long Dearie' at the end of Act II, she sings a few bars and then the chorus takes over. And neither of those songs require much range, they're patter songs. Compare that with a show like GYPSY or ANNIE GET YOUR GUN which requires a real singer to carry them off.
When Ethel Merman took over the role of Dolly in 1970, two songs that had originally been written for her, and removed when they didn't suit Carol Channing's voice, were reinstated. They were Dolly-alone-on-stage-belt-to-the-balcony songs that an audience attending a Merman show had come to expect.
- How is child actor Sam Poon (unfortunate name) in LCT's MACBETH?
- r561, did you forget "So Long Dearie", and "Before the Parade Passes By"?? You have seen the show, right?
- Did Mary Martin turn it down before Channing got the role? Channing hadn't had a hit since Gentlemen Prefer Blondes. I imagine there were quite a few names before they settled on her.
- R564, I don't know the answer--Martin, of course, had a triumph with it in London and in Vietnam for the troops (I gather the recording of the London does not present her in best voice, that she was ill at the time). Channing, whom I love, but nonetheless, when Martin's performance in Dolly is brought up, always says, "Yes, and she didn't get a single laugh." I realize "Legends" was an incredible trial because Martin probably had no business trying to do a run anymore, but it seems rather untoward of Our Carol--particularly as she writes about being the last person to be with Mary at her hospital bedside before she died. Our Mary, whatever her many gifts (and she will always be my Peter Pan and Maria von Trapp, though I only know the latter through the much-played LP we had), did not always seem to know good properties when they were offered her--though she would have made a really unfortunate Eliza Doolittle or Fanny Brice, two roles she was offered. She might have been a decent Mame (she could do soignee), but maybe by then, particularly after "Jennie" (which is pretty charmless, though, like Chita in "The Rink," she sells it like it's Bernstein--even though she and her huswife Dick Halliday wanted to close it out of town), she was just tired, and preferred to crochet with Janet down in Brazil.
- Brazil? Were they Nazi's?
- [quote] she was just tired, and preferred to crochet with Janet down in Brazil.
Perhaps, but she did do the World Tour the following year (of which London was a stop), which would have been more tiring that staying put on Broadway.
- R566. No, Rose, they were lesbians!
- like Danny Thomas r568?
- Warning: DL Legend Kathleen Chalifant on Elementary, right now. Sans girlfriend.
- She's not naked and masturbating again (like in "Kinsey"?) I was in therapy for 4 years after seeing that.
- So Mary Martin was offered both Mame and Dolly and turned them down? Not that I don't believe it but is that actually documented somewhere?
- Saw the first preview of No Man's Land tonight. While I was intrigued by some of it, I have to admit that most of the play confused me....much more so than most of Pinter's work.
But Billy Crudup was amazing in his smallish role. What a jolt of charismatic energy! I don't understand why he hasn't had a bigger career, at least in the theater if not in film. I think he's probably, with all good intentions, often chosen the wrong projects.
- R573 Crudup's won a Tony, hasn't he, for "Coast of Utopia" and nominated for "Arcadia" and "Elephant Man?" That's a pretty good stage career, IMO. There really aren't that many stage/dramatic roles available at any one time (and there's always plenty of heavyweight competition). He's never been in a big movie that I can recall, but he seems to work most of the time, which is what any good actor should hope for (if you become a star, sometimes your career burns out after a few years). He's in for the long-term. I'm glad he has stuck with theater because he is an amazing actor.
- Where did they get Sally Struther's wig....the dollar store?
- No, R575. Kathryn Erbe lent it to her from her collection.
- "Bacall is not in a nursing home. She is home at the Dakota but on a walker, I believe"
Bacall still gets out. She attended Nora Ephron's memorial service, in a wheelchair.
- R577. Is Bacall still mean and miserable now that she's in a wheelchair?
- I would love to see Ewan McGregor on Broadway but not in "The Real Thing."
- There was a lot of herding the audience around involved in "Here Lies Love," too. Maybe it's becoming a thing.
- "I would love to see Ewan McGregor on Broadway but not in "The Real Thing."
I would prefer him in a revival of TAKE ME OUT.
- Haha, r581, I was actually slightly surprised that exhibitionist Ewan didn't pick for his Broadway debut a play that would allow him to show his cock the way he loves to do.
- I think he said in an interview that he is aware that his cock is over exposed and that he would not be showing it anymore.
- Ewan McGregor in "The Real Big Thing"
- [quote] So Mary Martin was offered both Mame and Dolly and turned them down? Not that I don't believe it but is that actually documented somewhere?
I can't even believe a question like this is asked. Are you in Junior High? It is well known and well documented that Merman AND Martin turned down Dolly.
It is also well known that Mame was originally intended for Judy Garland, but Herman was not allowed to by nervous producers. Angela Lansbury was like the 50th person considered for Mame.
Read Showtune by Jerry Herman. Or read any book really on Broadway.
- Actually, (X5), Mame was not intended for Garland.
Herman writes that she auditioned to be a replacement Mame and was nixed by nervous producers who thought her possible no shows would kill the hit shows run.
Jerry wanted Lansbury and even snuck into the pit to play her final callback after coaching her on the songs behind everyones back.
- Ariane Rinehart has been cast as Liesl in the NBC live broadcast of The Sound of Music. No announcement as to who's playing Rolf yet, though.
- Three cheers for Ariane...WHO?
- ryhog on ATC is always picking a fight over nothing, but he has really outdone himself today. He's insisting that it's American culture to call Andrew Lloyd Webber as Mr Webber rather than Mr Lloyd Webber, his actual last name. And that people who pick up their tickets at the box office are unevolved.
Either ryhog is 15 years old or he wasn't loved enough as a child. Or both.
- Zero people care, r589
- Americans put a period after "Mr".
- R589, Please don't bring ATC shit over here.
I don't know how fucking many times it has to fucking be said, but don't fucking do it!!!
- ANKLES AWEIGH!
- THE NOT SO AMAZING ADELE!
- Mockingbirdgirl told me that ryhog has a small penis.
- MR. PRESIDENT!
- R563 yes, I've seen the show many times. I also mentioned 'So Long Dearie' in my post. You did read my post, right?
'So Long Dearie' does not require a lot of vocal range. It's part spoken ('And on those cold winter nights Horace...), part song.
As for the other songs, Dolly doesn't really sing much of 'Before the Parade Passes By', before the chorus takes over. Same with the title number.
I adore Carol Channing and saw her play Dolly about 6 times over the years. As wonderful a performer she is, she's not a great singer, yet the show is perfect for her. Compare that with even the lightest Merman vehicle, HAPPY HUNTING, and you'll see that Dolly is not a heavy lift, vocally. With good comedic timing, even an actress of modest vocal range can make it a success (see: Arden, Eve or Diller, Phyllis)