Tea Party, Cons and GOP all are calling for HHS Kathleen Sebelius to be fired.
Do you agree?
Vote below and then comment.
I said yes although I don't know how much of this is her fault. However, she might consider resigning. That would silence the howling dogs. This is politics after all.
Someone needs to be the Fall guy, or gal.
Fired? Why? What a dumb thread.
They want to fire the Secretary of HHS because the website to sign up people for aca is not running 100% smooth...umm weren't they the ones who shut down the whole government because of ACA?
R3 you haven't known someone who has had problems registering for Obamacare?
Honestly, I am no tea-bagger repub but this whole mess of a role out of the website falls under the HHS Sect'y - and the problems are far more than the "glitches" the WH and HHS keep talking about. The entire website is basically broke. No one ever beta tested the site before it went live. Not only can it not handle the traffic, it is not sending correct information to correct insurers, its not even saving all the information entered by those fortunate to have gotten on. The entire website may have to be shutdown and rebuilt. Disaster. If that's the case, someone will have to go and since this falls under HHS, Sebelius is the obvious choice. I voted to fire her. I'm all for transparency in govt - which our President and WH have always been behind too, but in this, they have been anything but transparent and for that, someone needs to go.
A researcher who works for the New York Times has tried and failed to sign up for Obamacare 40 times since the website launched. But the Obama administration continues making excuses for Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius and the people who spent hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars on a site that does not work.
Even former Obama press secretary Robert Gibbs says, “This was bungled badly,” adding “I hope they fire some people that were in charge of making sure this thing was supposed to work.”
That is why R3
"You're doing a heckuva job, Brownie!"
I thought she got fired last week.
One problem is you have every God damn tea bagger in the country logging on to see what's there, just to fuck it up and fuck with it. You see the fucking talking head on TV signing onto the internet or calling to show it is fucked up.
Of course it is, the people that actually want to sign up can't get through.
Yes, but not just for this. She hasn't been up to the job from day one. That Obama chose her, the sitting Democratic governor of a red state, thus saddling her state with a republican asshole, when he surely had other, better, options, has always pissed me off.
[quote]That Obama chose her, the sitting Democratic governor of a red state, thus saddling her state with a republican asshole
I did not know that, R11. Thank you.
R10, they should have anticipated that. If the shoe were on the other foot and a Republican initiative had been bungled this badly I would be critical, so I am going to be critical with this. This is the Democratic Party's biggest accomplishment in decades, it should have been air fucking tight. There is no excuse.
It should handle everyone at once logging in to check on it, especially during the early enrollment years. This reminds me of iraq, going in without a hardcore plan mapped out. Both parties suck. Let me repeat that, BOTH parties suck. The only thing they're interested in is playing football and keeping score and it shows in everything they do and don't do and when.
[quote]That would silence the howling dogs.
No, no it wouldn't.
The day I'd agree with the GOP is the day I set myself on fire.
R16 so you don't think Kathleen Sebelius should be fired? Then who should take the fall for this.
Someone has to.
They brought in the top tech talent from Silicon Valley, including Eric Schmidt of Google, to fix the website. Everyone needs to calm down.
The Obamacare rollout isn't just embarrassing, it's scary.
Sometimes I wonder if Obama only excelled at running for president but doesn't really want to bother with the shit stuff.
But someone needs to be held accountable for this fiasco.
Someone needs to take the fall. As head of HHS shouldn't it be Kathleen? After all the buck stops with her.
She needs to go. Everyone knew that this was the most important thing in Obama's presidency and it had to go smoothly. her people are incompetent. Now that the budget fiasco is over, she will be the face of Obamacare being "terrible" and will be an anchor around the neck of the President.
She has a long and highly accomplished career, and has been impressive until this incident - and she has the nerve of being a white woman from Kansas who works for Obama, no wonder the GOP all want to give her the ax.
That said, I would want to know who signed off beneath her re: the website being ready on Oct 1.
Nice tweet, via Daily Kos:
GOP went from "shut down govt to deny access to affordable care" to "we demand immediate glitch-free access to affordable care" pretty fast
Still, Sebelius should resign.
R22 it doesn't matter who is underneath her.
She is in charge, the buck stops with her.
If she is not on top of things like this, then what does it say about other things she is working on.
She has to go as she needs to take responsibility of it.
Watch The Daily Show interview. That should have been the end of her career. Jon Stewart 'Crossfire'ed her. She couldn't answer and made a mockery of the administration. She should have resigned right after that.
No, I'm not interested in her resignation at all. As far as I know, she is not an IT person nor is she a website designer.
The more the freepers and libertardians howl for her ouster, the more I support her.
[quote] As far as I know, she is not an IT person nor is she a website designer.
But she is the MANAGER of the site.
According to your logic it is the IT person or the website designer that is responsible for the running of the website.
Is that what you are saying?
I don't think she should be fired. Those calling for her resignation are just making noise.
I thought people were overreacting to the problems with the ACA website - but the more I hear about it the less I think that.
I know part of the problem was the number of states who opted not to set up exchanges was higher than anticipated.
But it seems to me you bring in the experts prior to launch.
The timing for this is terrible.
The website now has to be gutted and started all over again.
Her "Daily Show" appearance will go down as one of the worst appearances done by an administration official in history. That was appalling! Obama should deport her stupid ass out of the fucking country.
She is in charge.....she failed....fire her ass.
The nation says that the GOP should be FIRED!
Just lookit da trolls!
she probably didn't realize the web dev company was owned by the Koch brothers...guerrilla warfare.
If this happened under a Republican Administration, you know we'd all be screaming for their heads. This is no different - and to my mind, even worse. The ACA is this President's legacy legislation. It is the most significant piece of legislation passed by the Democrats in a generation. Every single effort should have been made to make sure the launch was as smooth and problem free as possible.
$500 million was spent to create the website; at least 5 million lines of code now have to be erased and re-written; it doesn't look like they'll be able to fix it in time to allow people to be insured by January 1st. Oh - and the 800 number HHS gave the President to give out in his speech yesterday as an alternate way to sign up, guess what? Not working - in over 40 attempts by NYT, HuffPost and others none could get thru - got the "all circuits are busy" recording.
Yes, Sebelius didn't write the code, she didn't wire the phone - I get that. But as much as this is the President's "baby", she and her agency were tasked to bring it to fruition. They failed. These are not "minor glitches" or "kinks" to work out. Sebelius knew (or should have) known how important this is and should have been on top of it, making sure we did not get this outcome.
It was a failure of management, a failure of oversight, and as Secretary, ultimately her failure. As such, she needs to go. It is unfortunate that this may very well be what she is remembered for, regardless of her previous career.
To the people voting NO she should not be fired.
Can you explain your reasoning WHY she should not take responsibility of this?
Yes, but not for this website nonsense that the blowhard right-wing talking heads are bloviating about.
I think I'm in trouble.
Yep u are.
EXCLUSIVE! Kathleen Sebelius to break her silence in an AC360 EXCLUSIVE interview tonight at 8PM!
And I'm sure Anderson Cooper will be parroting Republican talking points during the interview, just like he always does.
[quote]According to your logic it is the IT person or the website designer that is responsible for the running of the website. Not her. Is that what you are saying?
Yes, R27, that is what I am saying, although rather than single individuals I'm sure it's teams of people for IT and design.
Are you saying you believe that a former governor and Cabinet level Secretary of Health and Human Services is involved in the nuts and bolts minutiae and day to day running of a website? If so, you are out of your fucking mind.
The more you hear about this - the worse it looks.
Have you listened to any IT folks talking about what an epic fail this is?
Strictly from a management perspective who ever was on site working for the Administration should have known enough to see huge problems were around the corner.
It looks like Sebelius and her staff said here is the project and here is your money. Call us when you're done.
[quote] Are you saying you believe that a former governor and Cabinet level Secretary of Health and Human Services is involved in the nuts and bolts minutiae and day to day running of a website?
That is her job
btw R26 she will be on AC 360 tonight at 8PM, defending herself on how she manages the website.
So she herself is accepting responsibly that it is her JOB to manage the website.
No one involved with Katrina, Iraq or the 2008 crash was fired.
Fuck this shit.
Yes R49 but the Dems said heads should roll.
Why aren't they saying it now?
In an exclusive interview with CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius admitted Tuesday that there is significant concern in her department and the White House over the technical debacle surrounding the Obamacare website's rollout. The site was supposed to make it simple for people to search and sign-up for new health care policies starting on October 1, but instead it's been clunky and, at times, inoperable.
"We're not at all satisfied with the workings of the website," Sebelius said. "We want it to be smooth and easy and let consumers' compare plans."
The secretary attributed some of the problems to "extremely high" volume, claiming nearly 20 million people have come to the Obamacare website in the first three weeks after its launched. Yet only a fraction of those have signed up for new health care policies.
"There are people in this country who have waited for decades for affordable health coverage for themselves and their families," said Sebelius, explaining why the launch wasn't pushed back. "...So waiting is not really an option."
The right wing governors in the 27 states that did not accept Obamacare are a huge part of the problem. The people in those states are desperate to sign up and are overwhelming the website but you won't hear this on the news.
I got signed up yesterday using healthcare.gov. It worked just fine. A little slow in places, but nothing out of the ordinary.
You should have tried signing up for insurance before the ACA went into effect, where you had to list every single sickness, prescription and doctor's visit you ever had.
[quote] The secretary attributed some of the problems to "extremely high" volume, claiming nearly 20 million people have come to the Obamacare website in the first three weeks after its launched.
Lame excuse. Good explanation for day one, and maybe even day two, just possibly day three. But they should have been able to adapt and rent the additional equipment they needed.
What has the Administration running scared is they know exactly how many healthy young people have to sign up for the program to work.
That group is not highly motivated to sign up - and if you make it too difficult many may well just pass on the first year and pay the fine.
On the other hand who is highly motivated to put up with this failure and keep at it until they get a plan? People who desperately need insurance. The most costly group to cover.
Obama brought in the cream of the crop from Silicon Valley to fix it. Eric Schmidt of Google and the head of Verizon's tech department are just two of the experts working on it.
I really don't understand all the histrionics over a website that is not even a month old.
Why doesn't the mainstream media just go ahead and call it "ObamaCaremageddon"?
If you can't use the federal website you can call or use the paper application. It's not really that hard to live without the internet version for now.
People are being ridiculous. Big state like NY (3rd) and CA (1st) marketplaces are both states are doing fine now.
It pays to remember that this wouldn't be happening (on the federal level) if more states had designed and implemented their own websites. The federal government didn't plan on creating marketplaces for so many states (I'm looking at you Texas (2nd), Florida (4th) and Pennsylvania (6th)). The real mistake was underestimating the red state governor assholes.
R56 - do you live under a rock?
What is one of the major reasons sited for opposing the ACA?
What is one of the major reasons for opposing universal healthcare?
The government can't do it - it will be mismanaged. Too much money will be spent for too few outcomes.
So ACA passes - and what happens?
The process for getting health insurance is fucked-up.
It is fucked-up because the government, just like conservatives predicted, can't get it done.
The worst part is the people trying to make excuses for what happened, including the President, sound like idiots.
[quote]The process for getting health insurance is fucked-up.
Simmer down. The website is only one way to apply for healthcare. It's not even a month old. Calm down, and take a breath.
And please let's remember it's the healthcare being provided that is the actual implementation, not the launching a fucking web-based application.
If middle and low-income people stop using the ER as their first-stop medical care- THEN Affordable Care Act is a success. The website malfunctions are just a media hype-machine distraction and will soon be forgotten.
People can still fill out the paper form and call the phone-line while fixes are being put in place at healthcare.gov. Relax people. The media (and the Democrats) called Medicare Part D a fiasco too. They were wrong-- the people love it.
Unfortunately, we live in a world where if something is not an instant success than it must be a failure. Instant success is not to be expected of most innovations, public or private.
I blame computers and smartphones.
[quote]Liberal pundit fail: Rush to attack Obamacare site only aids unhinged right
As predictably as night follows day, on Monday the media establishment pivoted away from obsessing about GOP extremism and the party’s alleged “civil war” to the “train wreck” that is, allegedly, the Affordable Care Act.
And liberals helped lead the pivot.
Don’t get me wrong: The problems with Healthcare.gov are real, and disturbing, and must be fixed asap. (Think Progress has a dispassionate assessment here.) But excuse me if I believe the president knows that without my telling him. It’s like watching the 21st century version of the rise of the Democratic Leadership Council, and I feel the way I did back then: On the one hand, yes, it’s important for Democrats to acknowledge when government screws up, and to fix it.
On the other hand, when liberals rush conscientiously to do that, they only encourage the completely unbalanced and unhinged coverage of whatever the problem may be.
It was predictable that the media would go nuts about this today, given that they’ve spent so much time having their noses rubbed in how insane the GOP has become, after trying so hard, for so long, to ignore it. It feels like a law of nature. Nature abhors a vacuum; media nature abhors a false-equivalence vacuum.
An Update on the Health Insurance Marketplace
U.S. Dept. of Health & Human Services sent this bulletin at 10/21/2013 06:37 PM EDT
Dept. of Health & Human Services
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More people are applying and getting covered every day, and I often hear how the Marketplace has helped them. It’s one of the best parts of my job. Here are some of their stories:
Last week while on the road in Ohio, I met Keith Deaton, a Cincinnati realtor. Because of a preexisting condition, Keith has struggled to find health insurance that meets his family’s budget. When I spoke with him, he told me how excited he was to be able to shop for a plan that’s a better fit for him and his family.
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You can read more stories like these on our new page: www.hhs.gov/healthcare/
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There will be countless more stories like these told in the coming months – especially as we work to improve and enhance the online experience. They are inspiring reminders of how far we’ve come from the days when Americans without health insurance were locked out of the market. And we will not stop our work until we are done.
I can't wait to hear your story,
Department of Health & Human Services
When did the Ruthuglians ever fire ANYONE for any wrongdoing or failure. Let them eat sh*t if they don't like what the current administration is doing. No one has to take the fall. They just need to fix the website. Sometimes sh*t happens. That's all.
... A disastrous website roll-out can’t be a stand-in for the ENTIRE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT.
(unless you're an unhinged right-wing nut-job or or a hand-wringing liberal or the "both sides" obsessed mainstream media)
[quote]Unfortunately, we live in a world where if something is not an instant success than it must be a failure. Instant success is not to be expected of most innovations, public or private.
ACA is an innovation.
You can't argue that the the way of signing up is any kind of innovation.
[quote]I really don't understand all the histrionics over a website that is not even a month old.
Oh, come one. I think Obama is great, but Jesus Fucking Christ, this is his key piece of legislation and the rollout wasn't just botched, it was destroyed. They shouldn't have debuted the site if it wasn't 10000% fool proof, if for no other reason than to shut the GOP up. The kind of lazy "what's the big deal?" attitude you exhibit is exactly why this happened - no one on our side can think in a shallow, strategic way like the GOP can. Hell, if the shoe was on the other foot, you would have every Republican member of congress lining up for media outlets INSISTING that despite all evidence to the contrary, the site was working perfectly fine and anyone who said otherwise hates America.
This nonsense is merely an attempt to shift the conversation away from the epic failure of the Republican Party's government shutdown and the damage the party caused to the country. Congratulation you're now having the conversation that the Republicans want you to have. What will you silly people fall for next.
Exactly, r65. More republican smoke and mirrors.
[quote] Exactly, [R65]. More republican smoke and mirrors.
The Republicans just had to sit back and watch this happen.
Unforced error and a gift to Republican critics.
It's not enough to say that Republicans suck. The Democrats need to be better. To deliver what they campaigned on and what they promised.
This is depressing. Sometimes I worry that ineptitude is starting to dog every aspect of American life.
Gop should be fired for preventing funding for the website and not setting up the exchanges at the state level.
Obama brought in hot daddy, Jeff Zients, to head up the team to fix the website. He basically took Sebellius off the job without having to publicly fire her.
Despite all the glitches, HHS announced today the 700,000 people have completed the application process and had their incomes verified.
Here's a photo of dreamy Jeff...
This lady is not up to the job. She had three years to prepare for this, and this is what happens? To be honest, once the glitch ends, there will be new disasters and this health care law could ruin the entire economy. Do more than fire Sebelius and upgrade the software, scrap Obamacare before it's too late. It's a complete disaster on every conceivable and unconceivable level.
Proud Closeted Freeper
Oh yeah, I ate Teabagger shit for breakfast. And don't touch my Medicare and social security!
Dear R71, you're loony, totally ignorant and wrong about health care, ashamed of who you are and an embarrassment to your fellow man.
If the govt. shutdown had happened w/a democratic congress, everyone would be screaming for the house speaker and all his cohorts resign. yet no peep.
a website crashes and you all want HHS to resign? you know people can still call the hot line and get help.
That's "inconceivable," darling. Now go play with those teabags well out of sight.
I'm feeling the love as I dip my morning teabags. I can't imagine being a radical leftist who wants to destroy the economy and the average American's ability to help himself and herself, but if I were and had done so as poorly as Sebelius had, I'd resign voluntarily. The best one could say is that she's asleep at the wheel. She even said that her critics are "people I don't work for." That happens to be the American people, whom she considers to be beneath her. She's unfit for the job.
Proud Closeted Freeper
Ask your typical red neck rethug why he is against ObamaCare and he will tell you how it will destroy the government and how it will take money out of people's pockets - the usual Bull Shit rethug talking points. Ask him how that will happen and he'll probably call you a name or make fun of you because he doesn't know.
Try telling him that the real reason that the rethugs don't like ObamaCare is because of the fact that insurance companies must make sure that 80% of the money they take in is used for actual healthcare and not to line the pockets of the senior execs and shareholders and he a) won't know what you're talking about and b) won't believe you anyway.
she is testifying now
The majority of Americans don't even remember a government shutdown happening.
Oh, for fuck's sake.
Apple introduced iOS 7 less than a month ago, and it's already had 3 updates. And I just read that if you have an iPhone 4 (not 4s), you should continue to wait as there are known glitches. So, were I a teatard, I'd be screaming "fire Tim Cook! Invade Cupertino and liberate the poor appleliites! I'm sure they'll welcome us as heroes!"
Obamacare is not a disaster, nor will it ruin the country/economy/doctors' lives, and I'm sick of hearing the line of bullshit spouted by teatards. Especially when you consider that the people who are going to benefit from the ACA are -- yes, you guessed it -- teatards and red staters.
The brouhaha over the website and now the crap about Obama knowing millions of people were going to not be able to keep their plans is just subterfuge. The GOP has made it their main goal to destroy Obama's legacy since they couldn't make him "a one term president" like they openly stated, over and over. Mark my words: just as McConnell and Boehner et.al. met on Nov. 4, 2008 and strategized over denying Obama a second term, they met on Nov. 4, 2011 and strategized on destroying the ACA. We have the proof in the shutdown and debt ceiling debacle, and having lost that, now they are going after every little thing they can.
Let's revisit this matter in a few years, when nearly everyone has healthcare, loves Obama, and the right fondly recalls these days, just as they do now with Clinton.