What's the most appallingly violent thing you've seen in a movie?
Me: There is a scene at the end of 'Triumph of The Spirit' where a bunch of prisoners are being tortured and killed for plotting to blow up a gas chamber in Auschwitz. One guy is dragged by his feet down concrete stairs and his skull bounces helplessly on each step, another is hung on a short rope to strangle, one is shot point blank in the skull and another is (most horrifying) branded on the forehead with a red hot iron leaving a burnt Star of David. I saw that at 19 and I think I had PTSD for months, I was literally depressed.
I posted this right before the DL problems everyone noticed today. Pardon me for top posting again.
Please refrain from referring to being upset by a movie as having PTSD.
Ryan Reynolds and Sandra Bullock crashing into each other naked in "The Proposal". Oh, the Humanity! ( humann-it-tay )
Virtually every scene from Pasolini's "Salò, or the 120 Days of Sodom".
SPOILER - just so the anti-spoiler bitches don't whine.
The scene in the original Dutch-French "The Vanishing" when the serial killer shows the obsessed boyfriend exactly what he did to the vanished girlfriend.
He puts him in a box and buries him alive. He's in the box, screaming, as the dirt is shoveled on top of it.
Russell Crowe's singing in Les Mis.
But OP, those were JEWS---so it doesn't matter!
Liza doing "Single Ladies" in SATC2 movie.
Human Centipede 2
Little Kim Richards getting shot in the chest after buying ice cream in [italic]Assault on Precinct 13.[/italic]
I've heard "Salo.." was awful. Scat, or something.
The guy sitting behind me getting a blowjob from a 80-year old man.
The revenge killing in Irreversible was almost as abhorrent as the rape scene. You will never forget it, once you've seen it.
The rape scene in "Irreversible", with an honorable mention to the rape scene in "Pulp Fiction".
The flaying scene and its aftermath in "Martyrs".
R10, Hopefully none of the RHOBH saw the film. Might give them ideas.
There are several horrible scenes in Cannibal Holocaust.
I was also horrified at the murder in American History X
The entire movie, "Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer."
 Of course they used melted chocolate when they filmed it, but still it's the most grotesque thing you'll ever get to see.
God only knows how all the young boys and girls in that movie must have felt. And then there's the infamous torture/murder finale set to Carl Orff's "Veris Leta Facies". If this movie won't turn you into a misanthropist, nothing will.
To my (at the time) very impressionable mind, almost every scene in Russell's _The Devils_. Everything about that film filled me with horror - the weirdly foreshortened sets, Vanessa Redgrave's hump, Oliver Reed getting his legs broken, and the priest scraping through some nun's vomit looking for proof of her possession by the devil. When I finally got around to Pasolini's _Porcile_ and _Salò_ years later, they were almost bearable by comparison.
Lucy in Mame
Understanding your point, R2, and deploring ignorance that confuses superficial if lingering discomfort with PTSD, as a psychiatric researcher (honest) in national studies of combat veterans and others I have seen (as has everyone else in the field) that the effect of an experience is not necessarily in proportion to its reality or actual impact on a person.
It is possible, if rare, for a person to experience symptoms of PTSD from an aesthetic experience, a story, a book, or other non-threatening occurrences. Such cases usually are concurrent with other disorder(s), but the PTSD can be identical to that triggered by actual threat or violence.
Of course, as the OP did not list symptoms and likely was speaking as the hyperbolic exaggerator you assumed her to be, all this is academic. But perhaps it's interesting to know that, for example, children who are terrified by a monster in a movie not only do exhibit the same long-lasting and painful characteristics of PTSD, other children who have seen their parents killed in front of them do not necessarily experience the same impact. We're all different.
It had to do with a Nobbs. That is all I shall say.
I'm still unpleasantly affected by someone retelling it to me. If of course, was not directly exposed to it myself. I do have a sense of self-preservation.
What a gruesome idea for a thread, OP.
It's like those "What's the worst thing you've ever been through?" threads.
I saw a preview of "10,000 Maniacs" at a drive in when I was about 10. It bothered me badly for a couple of years.
The remake of The Hills Have Eyes has a horrible scene where the father is tied to a tree and set on fire.
The scene takes forever, and there's so much screaming and thrashing and fear that I nearly had a panic attack, feeling like I was actually there watching a loved one die.
I've watched (and enjoyed) horror movies for my whole life, but this new style of "torture porn" (eg, Hostel, The Hills Have Eyes, Wolf Creek) is something else entirely.
The remake of The Women. The assault on my eyes was horrific and painful.
Yeah, torture porn is like a sub-sub genre under gore. A few gore movies were actually fun, because back in the day, it was all about the make-up artists and F/X people and just how realistic could they make it?
Then all these hacks sort of came around at the same time so we got movies like "Martyrs", a movie so offensive that it made me feel ashamed for having watched it, and the Hostel series. Called "torture porn", because degradation was the underlying motif along with the gore.
I guess variations of torture porn have been around for awhile really, but I don't think it was quite as prevalent as it seems to be now.
Bizarrely enough, I just found the complete, uncensored version of Salo on YouTube(?!) (with Spanish subtitles). Be warned!
I've seen so much violence in films, I'm starting to think it affects me more then actual violence. I'm really sick of it.
Probably that bit at the end of Trainspotting where Begbie glasses some poor bastard for spilling his pints (although if you watch, Begbie pretty much bumps into him)
R13 It's so cleverly filmed though. The transition from the beginning of the bludgeoning to the point where the guy's face is mashed to a pulp is seamless.
And it's definitely worse than the rape scene. At least she lives afterwards.
I mean really, how can an innocent man getting his head caved with a fire extinguisher be less abhorrent than a rape?
R26 After the rape scene (in the remake) I couldn't watch anymore of it. Glad I didn't!
I believe it was in Saving Private Ryan where the soldier was slowly stabbed through the heart - excruciating.
And even though the make-up wasn't very good in Passion of the Christ, the violence caused me to look away much of the time.
Wait, he was innocent?
I completely missed that.
R37 Yes, he gets the wrong man, when the bludgeoning finishes the camera reveals the rapist is right there in front of him.
(sorry if this is spoiling it for anyone)
Shit. Now I'm depressed.
Most appalling movie ever.
Very cleverly made though.
I don't know if it would affect me now, but when I saw 52 PICK-UP the filmed murder of the hooker seemed so raw and real that it was very unsettling.
On television it was Leland Palmer/BOB killing Laura's lookalike cousin(Madeline?) on "Twin Peaks".
The end of "Don't Look Now."
I love horror films, but not torture porn and excessive gore. The most recent extreme violence in a film I've seen was Drive. It surprised me as I didn't read much about it before watching, and certainly didn't expect Ryan Gosling to "go there." I'd only seen him in twee indie stuff before that, like Lars & The Real Girl.
Apparently Only God Forgives is more of the same, if not even more violent. Think I'll give that one a miss.
I tried to read up on the criteria for PTSD and according to the DSM-IV there has to be the risk of death or injury to self or others. Same with the DSM-V. So seeing a horrible movie scene and being thrown into a depressive and anxious state for weeks doesn't qualify. But the criteria for Acute Stress Disorder DOES match what I felt. Look it up yourself if you don't believe me, the DSM-IV code is 309.81, the criteria changed a little in the DSM-V but it still fits.
I'm entitled to my own feelings R2. This movie provoked me in a dramatic and unhealthy way and decades later I still remember like it was yesterday.
R28, I wouldn't categorize Martyrs as being torture porn, or the makers being hacks. I think the film managed to say something profound about stupidity of humans. Mainly about how selfish some of us are and how far some of us will go treating others badly just to get our own reward.
There are some violent scenes that stay with you for a while, but one film that had many fucked up scenes was Serbian Film. Probably the nastiest scene, at least to me, was in the end when the main character of the film, the big dicked porn actor, is forced to fuck something that is under the covers, and when they take the cover off it turns out to be his 5-7 year old son. Nasty scene. Thankfully the film went a bit over the top in its nastiness so there was an element of not being completely believable about it, but still it's one of those films you wish you hadn't seen.
The murder of Daniel Pearl.
" I think the film managed to say something profound about stupidity of humans. Mainly about how selfish some of us are and how far some of us will go treating others badly just to get our own reward."
Please. You get off on trash, admit it.
That deep and profound message is found in sitcoms, for chrissake.
As tame as it really is, I still think Marion Crane's murder in Psycho is one of the most violent things I've ever seen. It's really the sheer viciousness of it all.
Add in the opening and finale of Scream, Angie Dickenson's elevator ride in Dressed to Kill, the French films Inside and Martyrs, Hostel 1 and 2, The Hills Have Eyes remake, and both versions of Last House on the Left.
Violence and gore have never really gone hand in hand with me. For example, the Friday the 13th films are very gory, but they're so silly and rarely vicious. Jason has a workman like approach where it never really feels personal. Real violence always feels vicious and personal to me.
R47, I don't think the film was trash. I'm not denying it wasn't a strange film, or saying that there was some super deep message in it. I think it was well made fantasy/horror/drama. A small film that ended up surprising me because its scope grew to such huge proportions in the end. I saw bit of Rosemary's Baby's secret society in the film, too.
One might say that the film was commenting the absurdity of religions but at the same being religious itself. Powerful stuff in any case.
The rape scene in "Irreversible",. . . .
yup, and the beginning scene.
Cutting off fingers in "The Piano." One of the movies I hate the most.
R24 in "Salo" would have been a good scene. Face down in the bucket.
[quote]I'm entitled to my own feelings
Apparently so our the rest of us, OP.
Most people have the mental fortitude to realize that is only as movie, and are able to refrain from self-diagnosing our mental trauma years later, in public, ad nauseum.
Leave the PTSD to those who have truly afflicted by what they have seen or endured in reality, like on a battlefield, at the hands of a rapist, or in a horrific car crash, not while lounging in a cinema munching popcorn.
The rape scene in the finale of the X-rated (unrated) movie Kids. Although the victim was drugged out of her mind and barely conscious, it was some how more visceral knowing that she was getting infected with HIV during the rape. The fact that the actor who raped her in real life actually contracted AIDS and died of it made it even more disturbing. The movie ends with this surreal and spacey music with shots of the homeless and abandoned in parks in NYC. The film garnered a lot of press when it came out for such blatant portrayals of kids engaging in risky behavior.
While not appallingly violent, the attempted and failed foreskin restoration scenes in the film Europa, Europa were also quite graphic and uncomfortable to watch.
Don't be a cunt R53. The shit in that movie really happened, and that's hard to watch for some of us. If there was anything good that came of it is that I'm extremely sympathetic to Holocaust themes.
[quote]Bizarrely enough, I just found the complete, uncensored version of Salo on YouTube(?!) (with Spanish subtitles). Be warned!
I've heard this film mentioned here and how disturbing it is...so i am watching it now. About 15 minutes in, seems to be in WW2 Italy some creepy looking very well dressed men are being shown various groups of teenage boys. nothing t awful yet, the cinematography is evry well done as are the costumes, even the music score is by the great Ennio Morricone... so really how bad can "Salo" be?
Will check back in as a i watch. at 13:34 now...
Still watching "Salo", at 44:22 now, they have added some naked chicks, and now a young man and girl are gettingn married, the bridal party are all naked, ....
I have fastforwarded quite a bit, GOD this movie sooooo boring, what supposed to be terrible ? I've seen more shocking things at an elementary school play for godsake...
OK, Salo got a lot worse...had ti stop when the guy crapped on the floor and gave the girl a spoon and yelled "Mangia"
Still no idea WTF it was about.|
The bloodbath I subjected my BF to when he came back from the snack bar with Sno-caps. I specifically requested Goobers.
Oh, shit. I am so fucking drunk and I gotta take a shit.
[quote]The fact that the actor who raped her in real life actually contracted AIDS and died of it made it even more disturbing.
What? I never heard that.
I just double checked, the actor Justin Pierce who played the role of Casper in Kids died from suicide 5 years after filming of Kids wrapped. I could swear though that either he or one of the other cast members did contract AIDS after the film came out. Pierce's tragic death created a lot of press about the tragic lives that have befallen a generation of parent-less children.
The underground passage way scene in Irreversible. Monica Bellucci being brutally raped for 10 minutes.
Wasn't a movie, but the scene in The Sopranos when Dr Melfi was raped was extremely disturbing.
I am NEVER going to watch Irreversible. Thanks for the warnings, bitches.
#64, The rape in Irreversible makes Dr. Melfi's rape look like a litter of kittens. It is beyond comprehension and really horrifying.
Another vote for the Irreversible rape scene. Horrifying.
OP, I tried "Triumph of the Spirit" last night, but couldn't make it any further than 45 minutes. I have to be in the right mood, I suppose, for Holocaust movies, and last night, I wasn't.
It's weird how violence in some movies affects me while I could be OK with more violent scenes in other movies.
Some that bothered me . . .
I'm not a fan of Marathon Man, but the "Is it Safe?" sequence made me hate it even more. The chest-bursting scene in Alien killed the rest of the movie for me. Someone getting stabbed in the foot in Alice Sweet Alice (aka Communion), a gem of an old movie from the 1970s. The ice pick to the eye in The Eyes of Laura Mars - yet not the opening of Un Chien Andalou strangely enough. Two in first-rate Argento films got me: the heart stabbing in Suspiria and the decapitation in Deep Red. And speaking of Argento, wasn't there a death involving someone falling down an elevator shaft holding on to the cable? (shudder)
A bit off topic but at least three of the actors in Kids died young: Justin Pierce, Harold Hunter and Sajan Bhagat. Two ODs and a suicide.
The cat killings in Gummo are horrifying. As is the pimping of the mentally challenged girl. And the boy eating spagetti in a filthy tub of black water. And Chloe Sevigny's hair. The whole movie is awful.
A guy I knew used to think it was hilarious to subject his friends to Japanese torture porn. Much more disgusting than anything in A Serbian Film or Salò.
Looking back, I don't why we all sat through it. I guess no one wanted to be a pussy and walk out.
R69, in this photo, Justin Pierce looks so much like my first boyfriend, the one with the gnarly, bent-downward-and-to-the-left cock.
Acute Stress Disorder does accurately represent what OP has experienced.
ASD is a psychological phenomenon; it doesn't matter if it makes sense to anyone else.
My pic for the topic: The "sidewalk" scene in American History X. I truly wish I had never seen it.
When Old Yeller died. The logic behind my mother's decision that Old Yeller should be my first movie has always eluded me.
OTOH, I would not have minded licking Tommy Kirk's face.
The movie Quills freaked me out ...with the asylum going wild. And cutting the tongue on Geoffrey Rush's character....
A few comments about Salo:
1) It was a very serious enterprise for the great director Pier Paolo Passolini. The production team is top notch in terms of photography, Ennio Morricone's music and the great Dante Feretti's sets. It wasn't done in the spirit of something like "Saw" or "Hostel" or even "Irreversible", which I found exploitative with no real purpose.
2) The images are all shot from an objective reserve - we rarely if ever see a close up and the acting and framing is all clinical
3) It is a film filled with rage towards the Fascism and what we're seeing is how far the Italian fascists went in terms of human degradation during the war. IIRC it is based on actual events.
That said, yes, it is difficult to get through.
I grew up in the 1970s and 1980s.
From that period, my favorite horror film was 1978's [italic]Halloween[/italic]. It is now 35 years old. And it was well-crafted and -executed. It was art.
I found myself turned off by the exceeding gore fest of movies which came later, because they were inhuman and disconnected. I have a brother who, in this respect, never grew up and still digs this shit. He thought 2005's [italic]Hostel[/italic] - so utterly worthless - was fantastic.
I appreciate along with [italic]Halloween[/italic], 1973's [italic]The Exorcist[/italic], 1976's [italic]The Town That Dreaded Sundown[/italic], 1979's [italic]Phantasm[/italic], 1980's [italic]Friday the 13th[/italic], and 1980's [italic]He Knows You're Alone[/italic].
I think part of what makes this stuff appalling is when (in life) you saw it.
I was forced by some older teenage kids to watch "Last House On The Left" (sicko killers type of movie) when I was 11. Very traumatizing at the time.
Thanks for the heads up about never seeing "Irreversible."
There was an absolutely disgusting horror movie directed by some death metal musician out about ten years ago or so, whose name I can't remember - my girlfriend at the time and I rented it on DVD and had to shut it off. We were both horror fans but it was beyond that. It was basically torture porn and featured an excruciating rape and kidnap scene of two younger women. The point where we turned it off is where one of the bad guys rapes one of the girls with a knife. Not at knifepoint - he actually raped her with the knife. It's largely implied, they show the knife and then show her reaction to it, but it was appalling.
The incestuous rape scene in Tim Roth's semi-autobiographical movie "The War Zone" was pretty traumatizing, too, but that was at least purposeful.
Hum, when you (R62) mentioned the movie Kids for some reason it reminded me of a documentary about homeless kids in the late 1980s. One of the kids died for some reason, drug overdose or suicide. They showed him in his coffin at the funeral. It always stuck with me. Maybe the film was Streetwise? I can't recall.
The film Kids always reminds me of the film Bully. I'm not sure that film should have ever been shot.
 The fact that the violence in Salò is presented in an aesthetic manner makes it far more disturbing than other equally gory films (like Cannibal Holocaust).
The final scene, where the teenagers are raped, tortured and murdered to the dulcet tones of "Veris Leta Facies" (a song about the coming of Spring and the appraisal of fertility and new life), is exemplary. Pasolini was probably the first director who made use of cognitive dissonance.
R81, yes that film was entitled STREETWISE.
I worked on the publicity team for the opening of that film, and two of the girls were flown to NYC to do a couple of interviews, one with David Susskind. I did my job but felt the girls were being exploited in this case, in a way they weren't with the film.
Fortunately for me, the filmmakers (Martin Bell, his wife the well-known photographer Mary Ellen Mark, and writer Cheryl McCall) were in charge of the kids. They knew how to deal with them.
The film actually would up doing pretty well at the boxoffice. It's very good.
I haven't seen Human Centipede 2, but I heard there's a scene where the crazy guy rapes a girl after putting barbed wire around his dick. That's just sick.
What's even worse is that the writer of the film is a woman, the sister of the director.
So much of this torture porn is about continually pushing the envelope by people who have no sense of responsibility.
The last 20 minutes or so of Megan is Missng. I felt dirty and weird for days.
I broke down and watched Salo today and I was completely caught off guard by how well the movie was made! The cinematography is brilliant and the garish make up and costumes are amazing. And Pasolini's use of color was superb.
It felt a bit like he lost control of the movie about two thirds of the way through, though.
While the movie was a very angry statement against fascism, I still think the violence in Irreversible was more graphic and appalling.
Sorry to go off topic. The movie wasn't what I was expecting at all.
I would describe Salo as incredibly bleak and rather than appallingly violent. It's one of those movies that leave you deeply saddened by the state of humanity.
The extremely long male rape scene at the end of DESCENT, when Rosario Dawson gets the S&M guy to fuck her rapist, and it goes on and on and on.... The scene was appalling, and with the men being hunky and her sitting there crying through it, it was all the more disgusting for being prurient while pretending to be "serious."
I'm always surprised this film doesn't get discussed more. It's really nasty.
R81 Kids is easily more shocking than Bully.
Madonna attempting to act. Robin Williams, any movie that featured Streisand.
CZJ elephanting around while RZ skeletally feeble-footed in Chicago.
True horror, the full-figure frames of the two stepping, shot from the rear.
As a postscript, Pattinson reciting Shakespeare in some Twilight film. Even worse than B. Del Toro in a wolf film.
I got "Post Dramatic Stress Syndrome."