It was about DL misogyny, and I thought I struck a civil tone.
Well you were wrong about that, OP. Suck it up and whine about something else.
F&F for this lunatic.
Seems to me like a fair question.
Contempt for women is one of the defining themes of Datalounge.
I don't understand why so many gay men either encourage it or allow it.
Maybe you can explain to me why you think it's okay.
What the fuck are you ? We hate all cunts on this site, especially you.
See, there's my question:
You wouldn't say, "We hate all N-words on this site." Even if you felt like it was true, you wouldn't dare say it.
You'd jump all over anybody who said, "We hate all f*gs on this site."
But it's okay for anybody to say, "We hate all cunts."
I don't understand why that's okay, either with the moderators, or with the posters.
It isn't true anyway. A few punks in here hate women, but most of us are pretty fond of them, especially the Lezboes. Never met one I didn't like.
R5 I don't understand either. Maybe the mods just don't want to start a flame war, but your question is certainly fair.
[quote} start a flame war
Oops, I meant "allow a flame war to start".
The DL is the DL is the DL. I've been coming here for over a decade and it is what it is.
If it doesn't suit you, OP, then stop coming here. It isn't going to change just because you go on and on, bitching and moaning about the obvious.
I'm shocked, shocked! to find out how much men hate women. I think I need some smelling salts and a fainting couch.
It takes about 5 minute of surfing DL to figure out that at least 30% of the site is devoted to demeaning comments, degrading attitudes about women - invalidating them AS women, BECAUSE they are women. Sometimes it's subtle, sometimes it's right out in the open, celebrated, encouraged.
I don't get it.
Sometimes DL reads like a religious right site that hates gays, except the object of hatred is women.
r9, so if DL spent 30% of it's time making racist comments about black people - calling them the N-word - you'd say, "The DL is the DL is the DL?"
Doesn't that sound a little like something George Wallace might have said in Alabama in 1963?
R5, you simpleton, in this case cunts is like it is here in the UK. An insult without gender. Get over yourself or get thee gone.
Oh, fuck off, cunt!
Anyone smell tuna?
r12 & r13, maybe you feel like "cunt" is ungendered, but: Why don't you take a survey, go around town, ask random women how they feel about being called a cunt? Ask a large enough sampling of women so that you begin to get some idea.
DL is not a UK site. DL is primarily visited by people in the US. In the US, "cunt" is a word that continues to be used as a way to demean, shame, invalidate, disempower, assault, insult, abuse women. That's simply the truth.
Why do you think it's okay?
Would you call your mother a cunt? Would you mind if I called her up and said, "Hi, cunt?"
That 30% is ridiculous. Unless you count "cunt!!"
I think I've made my point.
It's clear that DL posters revel in their hatred of women.
And that is tragic and upsetting, and it's ruining your life.
Women wouldn't like to be called a 'dick' either. Let's face it, a lot of them are touchy. Ha!
Anyway OP whilst you've got that broom up your arse would you mind sweeping the floor?
"Dick" is not a slur like "cunt."
Don't even argue that it is, because anyone can tell you that you're wrong.
r19= a cunt.
I have been a paying member of this site since 2003 and it seems like there are a handful of posters who are violently opposed to having straight woman post here even though most of the straight women here tend to lurk and rarely if ever post anything homophobic or inflammatory.
This seems to be a fairly new development. And I think it may be the younger posters who engage in that sort of nonsense. Only one poster ever truly got on my nerves and that was the one who was determined to root out all the straight women and have them banned. And he would troll-dar stalk the posters he thought were women. I think that kind of thinking indicates a form of mental illness rather than garden variety misogyny. Everyone gets insulted here at one time or another. I think Della is one of the few who always manages to stay above the fray. That is quite an accomplishment.
Straight women are more than welcome to fuck right off back to iVillage, Tumblr, Pinterest, and whatever Gwyneth Paltrow's site is called, OP. No one's holding a gun to their vapid little heads to keep them where they're not wanted.
[quote]Would you call your mother a cunt? Would you mind if I called her up and said, "Hi, cunt?"
That's so stupid, it doesn't really deserve a reply. Since you don't know my mother, why would you phone her and call her a cunt or anything else? For that matter, since my mother doesn't know you, if you called her a cunt, she wouldn't be offended. She'd think you were a nutcase.
But I'll make a deal with you: Stop calling men dicks, pricks, and assholes, and we'll stop using the word cunt (except anatomically, of course).
Why would straight women be welcomed with open arms on a mostly for gay males website? Do you realize how many general websites there are for them to discuss Hollywood gossip and politics? They don't need to come HERE to go on and on about anything. You're an idiot r21. You're also wrong, because the Benedict Cumberbatch, Jeremy Renner, and Tom Hiddleston threads prove that obnoxious straight bitches post here all the time.
Your way of thinking is in the minority, r22. You have no way of knowing if a poster is female, straight or other if they don't self-identify. And you just made the OP's point for him. Unbridled and irrational hatred for the women who post here is certainly pointless and bitchy but such a waste of time. And the people who think like you rarely have anything interesting to add to a conversation. You just repeat the same tired shit. In every thread. Tedious. So tedious.
Well, at least I'm not a cunt, r24:)
r23, I'm a guy. Not a woman, not a Lesbian, alas.
"Dick," "prick," and "asshole" do not carry the resonance that "cunt" does.
"Cunt" is used specifically to shame women about their bodies, their genitalia. Women are raped because our culture has contempt for people who would allow themselves to be penetrated. This is a big reason that homophobes hate gay men - because we want to be penetrated.
Our culture LOATHES and DESPISES anyone who consents to be penetrated. Dick = penis = the thing that penetrates = power = good. Cunt = vagina = the thing that gets penetrated = powerless = bad.
Our federal government is filled with men who think they OWN vaginas, and who think it's their right to tell women that they must have their vaginas penetrated by instruments to determine if they are allowed to think about using birth control.
Our Congress does not spend time passing laws about how penises can be handled by doctors.
Our culture has contempt for vaginas.
"Cunt" is a word that specifically demeans women, as women.
I am right about this, and I won't explain it again.
[quote]Straight women are more than welcome to fuck right off back to iVillage, Tumblr, Pinterest, and whatever Gwyneth Paltrow's site is called, OP. No one's holding a gun to their vapid little heads to keep them where they're not wanted.
It's one thing to try to get straight women fangirling over Supernatural off the board. It's another to use misogynistic terminology like what you've done above.
It has that feel of how Ku Klux Klan members must talk to one another when they'e away from the general public, or how homophobic rednecks might talk to one another sharing a few f*g jokes around the camp fire out in the wilds.
The fact that this kind of talk is tolerated by whoever manages this board just encourages those thickheads ("thick" not "dick") who know no better. And of course others are just trolls, but I don't know why that's tolerated either.
It's pretty simple: if you want to be generally respected you should generally respect others. It some women is an absolute bitch to you, well she's the problem (or you're the problem), NOT 50% of the population.
[quote][R9], so if DL spent 30% of it's time making racist comments about black people - calling them the N-word - you'd say, "The DL is the DL is the DL?"
My god, you're dumb. There are websites who spend 30% of their time, and more, making racist comments about Black people. Calling them the N-word is the least of it.
Guess what, Einstein? I don't go to those sites. I have zero interest in reading what they have to say. They offend me, they piss me off, it upsets me to read them.
If we offend you all day, every day, as we evidently do - leave. Stop coming to the DL. If you're just looking for somewhere that will tolerate your ENDLESS FUCKING WHINING and totally cunty behavior - look elsewhere. If you're looking for a site you can "reform" with the brilliance of your freshman-level cultural analysis - look elsewhere.
Any way you slice it, homes, we're not buying into you and your bitchfest. And we don't care if you don't like or understand that.
They hate women because they can't procreate without them. Someday men might give have cloned eggs implanted, after women have left this planet, and birth out of their arse but it isn't scientifically feasible today. And it drives them crazy with resentment.
[quote]It's one thing to try to get straight women fangirling over Supernatural off the board. It's another to use misogynistic terminology like what you've done above.
r28, what misogynistic terminology would that be? Vapid? Little? Heads?
R30 Stop projecting.
See, that kind of over generalization about men is as ridiculous as the misogyny.
Obviously r30 has hit the nail on the head. It's all so clear to me now! I'm not bored and weary of straight girls invading a gay site, I just deeply, deeply desire to shit a full grown baby out of my ass! Of COURSE!
There's a Nobel Prize in this for you, r30. Just mark my words.
OP, you are seriously mentally ill. You accomplish nothing, and just expose yourself as desperate for attention. You're a pathetic mess.
Not a single poster has taken responsibility for the misogynist tone of many of DL's threads. All you've done us defend yourselves.
r36 = cunt
R5 there are cunts all over this thread, and they hate women
We like the DL, warts and all.
If you don't, then fuck off and find somewhere else to bitch about it. We're not here for you.
R31 of course that is what I meant.
[quote]"Dick," "prick," and "asshole" do not carry the resonance that "cunt" does.
Fuck you, cunt. How dare you attempt to define what is offensive to me!!??
[quote]I am right about this, and I won't explain it again.
No, you're not right. You're delusional. But please spare us any more of your cuntful ramblings.
because you post the same crazy stuff all the time and have a history of vandalizing threads.
I don't understand why you don't see that one reason gays are murdered around the world is because of contempt for women - contempt like the kind that permeates DL threads. It's suicidal to contribute to that hatred.
Why don't you go spend your time volunteering in a batter woman's shelter instead of constantly posing your theory on DL?
R36/R43 is off his meds and an escapee from the institution.
Why don't you fraus and lesbifraus spend your energy preaching at straight men-oriented websites? They are the ones committing violence/rape against women.
Gay men, at worst, are indifferent to your existence and want nothing to do with you. Go educate the straight-male perps. Leave us alone!
Women (straight and lesbian) love to complain about gay men inside of a gay man's domain!
Gay men = men who love men. Women are not even a part of that equation. It is women (straight and gay) who force themselves, wanted or unwanted, into our space and then proceed to complain about misogyny and other issues that have nothing to do with us but everything to do with straight men.
If anything, gay men kindly and patiently offer attention and refuge for "women's nights" or "lesbian nights" at bars or other gay male space when straight men would just laugh you right off/wouldn't even give you the time of day. If you don't like it, leave. I'm sure straight men will be a better alternative!
Hi OP, I agree with you and the few men and women who gave dared to speak out here.
I personally use the word "asshole", as it is not gender specific and, as the saying goes, we all have 'em.
There are a lot - a LOT - of misogynist assholes and their defenders (including DL fave ayb, as a defender) on this thread. I have been on DL since 2004 and it has become worse. Back in the days of red-tagging and banning, racists/homophobes/anti-Semites were banned, but misogynists could excrete their bile ad infinitum and often did, with no site wrist-slapping. It has always disgusted me. I want you to know that there are many who agree with you, OP.
THIS THREAD IS TRIGGERING!!
r49 has stated her boundaries, people!
Hatred of women? Please! The DL loves me!
Honestly, DL is NOT the place to come if you want a civil and educated conversation about just about anything. Look at the thread for the tv show Reign. The OP posted a link at av.com. The discussion there was funny, bitchy, spot on about the show and was a pleasure to read. The discussion here would be all about the actors dick sizes, presenting their holes, their beards, arguments about whether they were gay. Blah, blah, blah. Face it. The only reason to come here anymore is to rage at strangers. For no fucking reason.
I don't know if I can wait until Fest to be be healed of the wounds inflicted upon my womyn's body and inner goddess by the DL.
I must go to The Land, if only to breathe in the sacred air and be one with the nurturing trees.
The misogyny took me by surprise and has made me more wary IRL, but it is not what concerns me the most.
Real talk: A lot of you are setting yourselves up to die either alone or attended by people who are paid to be there ad a direct result of the merciless focus on youth/looks which will hit you with the very worst of both sides of the hetero male/female vanity aging dynamic once you are over 35 ish. Please consider making an effort to move on and get off the train at some point.
Just because a frau isn't weighing you down with babies, doesn't mean you escape it.
OP neglected to CHECK HIS PRIVILEGE.
Yeah, we get it, r53. Lesbians are not welcome here. It must be something to know you in real life. Not.
Better yet, why don't straight women just spend time at lesbian bars, lesbian space, etc.? No worries about male misogyny/patriarchy there. Straight women and lesbians could simply co-exist symbiotically off one another there. All women could just start licking each other's pussies for all any gay man cares. More men for us. But why won't that happen? Hmmmmm?
It's time to mosey over to Fresh Direct and do my shopping.
"I won't explain it again."
Thanks, that would be great!
R47 the Datalounge is not just the domain of gay men. It is meant to be for the entire LGBT community is it not?
As for being gay about men loving men and women being no part of that equation - that isn't how it is for most people of any sexuality. You love/like people regardless of whether you're sexually attracted to them or not. Leaving aside the repugnance of misogyny your post was illogical.
Illogical for most anyway. Maybe you have issues.
[quote]DL is not a UK site. DL is primarily visited by people in the US. In the US, "cunt" is a word that continues to be used as a way to demean, shame, invalidate, disempower, assault, insult, abuse women. That's simply the truth.
I call people here "cunt" with some degree of frequency. I never think I'm talking to a woman. It's shorter than "asshole," and it's one of the few places online you can actually say "cunt" where it doesn't show up "****," which is nice.
I think I started saying "cunt" all the time pre-internet, when I had a female AA sponsor whose worst insult to anyone was "what a DICK." I figured it made sense for me to say "what a CUNT." Not everything gets better, necessarily, when you stop drinking.
I shall stop saying "cunt" on DL. It never occurred to me it actually bothered anyone.
Stop "cunt"-shaming us, OP. You have absolutely no right to tell anyone what words they can and can't use, which words are more or less offensive, or which colloquial form of English is acceptable. Visiting your over-sensitivity on other people is controlling and passive aggressive, and doing so from cloister of self-constructed internet victimhood cheapens and demeans the actual struggles and sacrifices of feminist causes. Check your privilege, then fuck off back to your Tumblr social justice warrior hugbox.
I still don't understand why those of you who are feminists - and a lot of gay men are feminists - don't intervene every time somebody on DL says something degrading about women.
It's not just the word "cunt."
It's the way so many DL threads talk about women. The "ewww, gross" stuff about women's bodies. The gleeful attacks on women performers - attacks that specifically degrade them as women. Amazing to me the level of misogynist hatred that Madonna is subjected to! "Vadge," you like to call her, in threads about her. Sneeringly, disgustedly: Vadge.
A lot of DL posters clearly think women's bodies are disgusting and vile.
I don't know why more of you don't object when that kind of language comes up.
Would you object if people referred to a famous African American specifically in terms of her or his body parts? Would racist stereotyping contempt and hatred for black bodies be allowed to thrive here?
My biggest question, though, is:
Why don't you see that contempt for women is a root cause of homophobia? Why do you want to collude with a larger culture that hates you and wants you dead?
I am seriously mystified.
It's like poor white people in Ohio who vote for Republicans who want to take away their health care.
It makes no sense to me.
OP = deranged, man hating, mentally ill female, posting anti-male and anti-gay bullshit on a site originally for and by gay men.
It's amazing the OP is getting away with this thread.
OP, please crawl back under whatever sapphic menses tent you live under and stay there.
I'm a gay white guy, 54 years old, not a woman, not Lesbian: homosexual man who is appalled by misogyny, and who understands that my rights are intertwined with the rights and freedom and safety of women.
R63, I initially became interested in DL because it appeared to be a place where people -- gay men -- didn't talk about women's bodies because they are "ewww, gross." The entire rest of the world venerates women and their bodies. You would deny us this one oasis in the woman-adoring desert that is the rest of the world?
And then I discovered half of you are women, and are absolutely, utterly, abjectly [italic]thrilled[/italic] to deny us said oasis.
I used to not approve of the word cunt being used. Then I joined this site and found the real cunts. When I asked why demeaning women was such a staple of this site. The answer was "it's a mommie thing".
Get over it, calling women cunts is a sport on the DL
We have a lot of very angry hall monitors on this site it seems. They spend all day here and immediately report any thread even remotely critical of women and have it deleted.
I had a thread deleted a few weeks ago about annoying straight women in gay bars. It's an age-old topic that we frequently discuss. But it apparently raised the not inconsiderable ire of some bitter hag.
They've taken over and Datalounge is not nearly as fun as it used to be.
No, R67, you fail to understand. We're not calling [italic]women[/italic] cunts. We're calling [italic]everyone[/italic] cunts. Honestly, until this very thread, on this very day, it simply never occurred to me that anyone was calling women anything but "frau."
"Cunt" is a bi-gendered insult.
[quote]I'm a gay white guy, 54 years old..
No. No, you're not. But you are sick in your head. Oh, and a liar.
Okay, it's not a sport to me. To me, it's a violation of my humanity and the humanity of the women with whom I wouldn't have survived high school.
Wow, and it's just tacky.
Are you really willing to be a bunch of stereotypically women-hating tacky little faggots?
Oops, I meant "without whom."
Then create BiLounge, OP R71. Or bIvillage.
DL has done absolutely nothing to impinge upon the "rights and freedom and safety of women." At all. Take your social justice crusade back to Jezebel, you corrosive and whinging *inhale deeply* CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
I'm not bi, I'm not a woman, I'm a gay man. I can't in good conscience post on this site without calling attention to the rampant women-hatred that typifies so many threads.
[quote]I'm not bi, I'm not a woman, I'm a gay man. I can't in good conscience post on this site without calling attention to the rampant women-hatred that typifies so many threads.
Thanks for ruining what used to be a fun place, Mary.
WM, just ban the freak. He's been disrupting this site for years, enough.
[quote]I'm not bi, I'm not a woman, I'm a gay man. I can't in good conscience post on this site without calling attention to the rampant women-hatred that typifies so many threads.
Then we agree: you can solve your problem with us and our problem with you by going away forever. If you post again after this, we'll know it's just for attention.
OP, did you go to a small liberal arts college in Ohio?
R27 is telling us NOW, so she won't have to tell us THEN.
Aw r81, that little fucker over there at r27? He's straight-up S&M.
I've been saying this for years, because I've been posting here for years.
First of all, I never knew how much gay men hated women until I came to this site some ten years ago. I had plenty of gay male friends, at least, I THOUGHT I did. But now I wonder what gay men say about women -- and especially lesbian women, whom they seem to hate more -- behind my back.
Secondly, from reading the posts here over a period of years, I have come to the conclusion that gay men are horribly jealous of women -- not that they want tits or a vagina, but because they want the perceived power that women have to, as the Brits would say, "pull" men.
Gay men have the strangest idea that women can fuck any time any day all day any man they choose. But gentlemen, the majority of women (62%) do not orgasm from vaginal sex. Hence they don't even WANT to fuck all day, every day, with any riff raff that walks by. They need a tender man who is willing to give them oral (at the very least) and patient enough to do it until they come. And you all know better than I how patient men are when they're looking at what they perceive as a "hungry hole."
So there is little basis for that jealousy.
I, on the other hand, have no idea what women see in the male of the species, but I've never been particularly jealous of men. All I ever wanted was "male privilege," and men and women will never be treated equally -- at least, not in my lifetime.
So I just roll my eyes (frequently) at the vitriolic misogynist posts here, reminding myself that, if any of these guys had to be a woman for a week, they'd run screaming back to their male privilege before you could scream, "Pussy!"
And by the way (was it R25?), I know far far more about the penis than ANY of you know about the female anatomy (unless you're a gynecologist). The entire world is based on the power of the penis, believe it. No one is worshiping the female form. They just want to fuck us and then get waited on. That's hardly what I'd call worship.
Just my two cents.
Oh please, all these butt-hurt, self-righteous lesbians. Like lesbians don't say terrible things about gay men all of the time, too. Have any of you read at L Chat? The things they say about gay men over there are just as bad, if not worse.
And what is this about jealousy? I don't know a single gay man who wants a vagina. Most of us do just fine getting cock and sex without ever entertaining the thought of tits or pussy. This idea that women have, that if someone doesn't like them or want them around or desire them, then they "must be jealous," is silly and frankly bizarre.
You pieces of Sh*t! FILTH!! Lesbians nursed gay men dying of AIDS when NO ONE ELSE would even go near them.
[quote] Any way you slice it, homes,
No shit, Sherlock.
R29 is an embarrassment to misogynists everywhere. It's funny when nitwits try to be condescending.
[quote]Lesbians nursed gay men dying of AIDS when NO ONE ELSE would even go near them.
What, all of them?
I don't know why DL gay men refuse to admit that men have disproportionate power in our culture, and that even gay men, generally speaking, have more power than any woman.
That. Is. A. Fact.
Your arguments just fall apart when you refuse to take into account the facts.
How many women in the White House?
How many women in the US Senate?
What percentage of the House of Reps is women?
How many women CEOs of major international corporations?
How many men afraid to walk home alone after dark because some woman might rape them?
How many men paid less per hour than women for the exact same job a woman is doing?
And so forth.
r88, don't be a pig. Lesbians and straight women were some of the most activist, loyal, compassionate, effective supporters of gay guys with AIDS - throughout the worst of the crisis years, '81 to '96.
[quote]All women could just start licking each other's pussies for all any gay man cares. More men for us.
This just made me laugh for some reason.
[quote]I've been saying this for years, because I've been posting here for years.
We know. As another poster correctly characterized it, you've been vandalizing threads for years, and quite randomly, too. Often the threads you chose to derail with your repetitive rants were innocuous.
You really seem quite unhinged.
You posters call people out all the time for posting homophobic stuff.
Why do you remain silent when people post misogynist stuff?
I keep asking, you keep not explaining.
It's not just that there're obviously a bunch of people posting here who HATE women and who come to this site specifically in order to rant about how much they HATE women.
It's that there's a constant stream of passing commentary that degrades women -
And nobody objects.
Nobody says, "Knock that shit off, it's not cool."
Those of you who are offended by DL misogyny:
Why don't you point it out when it happens, and say, "That's not okay with me?"
I was pretty much on the front lines from the beginning of the AIDS crisis, and I don't really remember there being many lesbians around, or straight women, for that matter. I was in the buddy program at Whitman-Walker in DC and I only remember a few women. I did have one female friend who was in the buddy program. And there's another one I remember, but it was mainly because she was the first person I ever met who ate tofu. The rest of the women I remember were getting paid to work there.
Because what you keep claiming to be misogynistic is not.
Because one more poster like you seeing misogyny behind every rock would just increase the annoyance.
Because this place is much more light-hearted than you seem to understand.
Because gay men have a long history of using offensive words to undermine their ability to offend.
When will it sink in that you're not accomplishing what you want? Ever? If anything, you're stirring up more increased usage of the word cunt with your ranting about "DL misogyny."
As you've been told hundreds of times, if you don't like DL, then stop coming here and acting like, well, a rotten cunt.
I'm curious, OP, how is your current strategy for dealing with misogyny on DL working for you?
I have to admit the thread has been worth reading just for this line:
[quote] "Cunt" is a bi-gendered insult.
Datlounge just censored me.
Look, everybody with any sense can figure out that DL is packed with virulent misogynists. So, whatever: say what you like in defense of your rage and childishness, people who know what's going down can see that you're sick and abusive.
How, R98? Where? What did you say, and to whom?
I don't think it's a bad word at all!
Women hate women more than straight men or gay men combined.
I never said that all the misogyny was coming from men.
There are a lot of self-hating women on this site who delight in the clichéd-gay-guy woman-hating that some of you guys delight in.
Which is another reason to stop the nonsense:
You gay dudes who like to say vile things about women and vaginas, etc.: Are you not aware that you are just feeding into the stereotypes that some women who post on this site clearly believe about gay men?
You are giving the "fraus" you say you hate lots of ammunition for their misconceptions about gay men.
You act out the version of yourselves that you claim to loathe when those women give it back to you.
Jesus, you're so fucking stupid.
"Jesus, you're so fucking stupid."
No hatred there!
R103, whatever good points you may have to make are diminished by your use of the word "dude."
Is r103 a cunt or a bitch? I can't quite put my finger on which she sounds more like.
r104, when a woman-hater rushes towards me spouting virulent misogynist bile, I see no reason not to fight back. It is important to let misogynists know that they can't get away with their bullshit.
[quote] You are giving the "fraus" you say you hate lots of ammunition for their misconceptions about gay men
What is your point?
It sounds to me like you are coming very close to blaming the victim.
That your implication is as a result of what someone posts on DL people who oppose same sex marriage, employment non-discrimination and a host of other civil and human rights are justified.
I would hope you would agree there is no ethical litmus test when it comes to who gets full civil/human rights.
"It is important to let misogynists know that they can't get away with their bullshit."
But why is your hatred not as damaging as those you accuse of misogyny? According to your own logic, your words are killing YOU!
I'm just saying:
Long-standing icky stereotype about gay men is that they're gay because they hate their mommies. A psychological disturbance: Hurt by their mommies, they turn to men. Yes? Or: Too much in love with their mommies, they become women, and therefore turn to men. Etc., etc., Freudian bullshit.
DL posters who get all angry about "fraus" list as one of their complaints against straight women just this: That straight women believe the clichés that the medical and mental health communities have told the world about homosexuals for 100 years.
And yet: Those DL posters go on and on about women in a way that seems clearly to suggest that they hate/obsessively love their mommies.
They are acting out the clichés they claim to reject.
I don't understand why some DL posters - women and men - are so eager to live out the pernicious lies that the world has told about women and homosexuals for so long.
Really? Now your argument is that this is about the stereotype of gay men being "mommy-haters"? You need to bone up on your stereotypes. The stereotype is that gay men are TOO ATTACHED to their mothers and have absent fathers.
r111, the stereotype is that gay men are cathected on their mothers, which might mean: in love with; enraged at; desperately wanting to be; obsessed with; overwhelmed by; acting out against; etc.
R112. "Cathected." Wonderful word choice.
Was this the thread that started out about someone hating the babyish/loud/incessant voice of a co-worker?
[quote] Long-standing icky stereotype about gay men is that they're gay because they hate their mommies. A psychological disturbance: Hurt by their mommies, they turn to men. Yes? Or: Too much in love with their mommies, they become women, and therefore turn to men. Etc., etc., Freudian bullshit.
Now you're just making stuff up.
Which indicates your motives are less than pure - probably have nothing to do with misogyny. Unless somehow eliciting a misogynistic response turns you on.
[quote]I still don't understand why those of you who are feminists - and a lot of gay men are feminists - don't intervene every time somebody on DL says something degrading about women.
Because. It's. Boring.
And so are you.
r115, I am making nothing up!
Do you really want to come across as so clueless and defended?
Read Freud, dude. Read any number of Freud's 20th century US followers. Read Edmund Bergler, who was quoted in *Times* magazine in the 1950s as an authority on homosexuality.
There's a link below to his book *1000 Homosexuals*! It set the standard for the way homos were treated in the popular culture during the Eisenhower years.
It's full of nonsense about how homosexuality results from obsession with Mom, being repulsed by Mom, feeling rejected by Mom, etc.
[quote] Why did Datalounge kill my thread?
Because it was NOT one of your FANNNNNSSSSSSSS!
OK, assholes. Listen up.
It's not a women's site. It's a gay site.
You want to rag on men? Go ahead, you cunts.
If others want to rag on women, go ahead.
Funny, apt, incisive comments about gay people (and B & T) of any, either, both or no gender? GO AHEAD.
But it's a gay site. Homophobia is not okay. And a person can tell the difference.
Shut up, you cunts. All praise to gay women, good women, dear women, smart women. But a cunt is cunt. And you can smell them here.
r116, would it be "boring" to object every time somebody uses the N-word and he or she is not Dr. Dre?
"It's full of nonsense about how homosexuality results from obsession with Mom, being repulsed by Mom, feeling rejected by Mom, etc."
...calling Mom a cunt.
And don't use the word "homos," dude. It wounds.
r119, it's a site for who ever posts here. Some posters are women.
The suggestion that what gay men do when they're alone together is call women "cunts" is a vile and stupid and wrong suggestion.
I am the OP, and I approve this message!
And I'm a man, not a woman.
Your assuming that I'm a woman is part of the case I am making against you. Because it's not just women who object to their being called cunts.
I can't believe how small-minded and reductive some of you are!
It's really shocking.
I use the word "homo"; I don't CALL anyone in particular a homo, I just say "homo"; and some queens gets all wounded.
r121, for instance.
Meanwhile, you're all shocked to hear that anybody would ever be hurt by being called a "cunt."
Not just shocked, OUTRAGED that anybody would dare to try to take that word away from you.
Do you see the contradiction? The double standard?
Seriously, if threads that disdain the peculiarities of housewives and women in the workplace are as criminal and offensive to you as use of the N-word, then THIS ISN'T YOUR COMMUNITY. There are other places online you can go where your fellow posters will join you in the race to process feelings, warn about triggers, and check each other's privilege. GO THERE, LEAVE HERE!
Also, GO AHEAD AND CALL US HOMOS!
Your thread will wither on the vine, because a) we have thick skin and b) your attempt to troll won't ring true.
The blade that cuts you does not cut us.
r125, you are a misogynist.
I'm calling it like I see it.
Dude, it was a joke. No one was actually offended by your use of "homos." We are faggots of a tougher kind than you, who faints at the sight of the word "cunt."
The word "dude," OTOH, R128...
I don't care!
Cut, print, moving on!
Dudes, the thing is: anybody who wants to be a member of this "community," can be. So here I am. And if I'm gonna be here, I'm gonna point out your misogyny. Because I cannot in good conscience keep my mouth shut about injustice.
And call me naive, stupid, idealistic, insane, but:
I expect gay men to be more opposed to various forms of injustice than anybody else.
Trashing women AS women is a form of prejudice, it's destructive - self-destructive, if you're a gay man who's doing it - and it must stop.
Our lives depend on it.
"CUNT" is an ugly nasty hateful word .
Perfectly accurate definition from a lexicographical standpoint.
[quote]I expect gay men to be more opposed to various forms of injustice than anybody else.
Look around and play along.
By the way, this is why no one will ever fuck you - all you women-haters - and why the only thing you will ever be able to coax into your asshole is your natty old Jeff Stryker dildo, stained with the remnants of your fiber diet and starting to get all shrivelled and peely from numerous trips through your dish washer.
[quote] There's a link below to his book *1000 Homosexuals*! It set the standard for the way homos were treated in the popular culture during the Eisenhower years.
A quick check - the book was published in 1959.
Still making stuff up?
Eisenhower was President in 1959.
"By the way, this is why no one will ever fuck you - all you women-haters - and why the only thing you will ever be able to coax into your asshole is your natty old Jeff Stryker dildo, stained with the remnants of your fiber diet and starting to get all shrivelled and peely from numerous trips through your dish washer"
And with this you prove yourself as hateful as you accuse others to be.
r137, it's how I prove I'm quicker and funnier than all the rest of you!
Perhaps it is the way the word "CUNT" sounds in English that makes it seem like a harsh mean thing. How about other languages ?How to say cunt in any language
Cantonese\t chi bai
Chinese\t xia bi
Filipino\t pek pek
German\t die Fotze
there are TONS more , not a pretty sounding word in the world for cunt.
Amazing thing almost UNIVERSALLY around the world "cunt" is reserved for the most graphic and extreme insult.
So it's not just datalounge it's the whole world, obvious the behavior of those intimately associated with the word have greatly shaped its' meaning .
So stick that in your cunt and smoke it OP
So why should I not expect Datalounge to be especially enlightened?
Do you like being called a faggot?
I don't like it, not even in a fun way.
And, anyway, why do women and their lackeys bring their sick issues of degraded horseshit here and rail on gay people, when the central issues these cunts have are with the straight men who use them and who they use?
Our disgust of cuntery is from a detached (thankfully) perspective. And what I see is the unbearable agony cunts have in not being able to control, entice or fool gay men, because we have no use for the ridiculous wares they attempt to control their world with.
What DOES one make of a subspecies that cannot abide its own form, it's own appearance, its own hair color? (Oh, I suppose that plenty of men have issues, but with women it is almost universal. How many women over 30 do you know who has her own hair color? Absurd, these insane messes screeching that we owe them something like allegiance when they call food "sinful" and have "guilt" over it.
I have many women friends, and they're the women who lack these issues. In other words, gay women are my friends. (Sorry for the "cunt" talk, but you can call me anything you want, dykes o' mine.)
[quote] it's destructive - self-destructive, if you're a gay man who's doing it - and it must stop.
Our lives depend on it.
Please explain the details that would lead you to this conclusion.
r142 is Exhibit A.
r143, do you really need this explained to you? Have you read lately all the reports, worldwide, of LGBT people being: hung, beheaded, murdered, hunted down by angry mobs in broad daylight and hacked to pieces in public squares?
In Iran, Jamaica, Cameroon, Russia, Haiti, Canada, Harlem?
Why do you think people hate queers so much?
One reason, it seems to me, is that sexual difference - homosexuality, "queer" sexuality - is intimately associated with a desire to be penetrated, and world culture despises people who want to be/allow themselves to be/can be easily made to be penetrated.
The world has penetration anxiety, and it especially hates women and gay men for this reason, among others.
And people who are hated get killed.
[quote] This is a big reason that homophobes hate gay men - because we want to be penetrated.
Have you never heard of a "Total Top", like Paddy O'Brian?
Time for dinner! See you cats later.
The loony misogyny troll lives for all this attention. Maybe he secretly loves the word cunt and works mightily to provoke us into writing it.
It didn't require any work at all!
Seriously, get a gander at r142's post if you want to see the irrational hateful rage at women that just flies out of DLer's mouths.
[quote] Eisenhower was President in 1959
So OP - you're running out of steam pal. So according to you the Eisenhower years atarted six years into his eight year term?
My suggestion - stay away from sound reasoning and go back to personal attacks.
You're reasoning is kind of sad.
At least the references to Stryker dildo's is good for a laugh.
[quote] You're reasoning
r149, my reasoning isn't sad.
My reasoning is this: homophobia is rooted in contempt for women.
DL is packed with people who have contempt for women.
Therefore: DL is deeply homophobic.
Worse than the freepers, if you ask me.
Do you have a hobby r151. Maybe you could take up collage art or stamp collecting so you don't waste the rest of the life typing diatribes on DL and being provoked by trolls like me who just like to watch you suffer.
[quote]And call me naive, stupid, idealistic, insane,
We don't really need to call you that, you proclaim it - the stupid and insane part - with every post you make.
And guess what? I agree with you about misogyny here, although I don't think it's quite as rampant as you do. I think you're looking for it, and find it in places that it doesn't exist, like so many paranoid people do.
But it DOES have troubling presence here (credit Mrs. Patrick Campbell, whose repellent posts were among the first to bring that tone to DL). But you'll never solve it, because you aren't clever enough to know how to conduct this conversation. You only know how to annoy and turn people against you, which makes me think you're really doing it just to feed your ego and your own need for attention. You accomplish NOTHING of your aim - and I'm sure you've recognized that, so it's really just about hearing the own sound of your internet voice.
Which is a pity, because someone far more reasoned and articulate than you really SHOULD bring this to the forefront. We should turn our backs on that kind of behavior and deride it. Instead, we are just turning our backs on you.
r153, speak for yourself!
r153, I'd say I'm perfectly articulate, compared to most of the responses in this thread!
The thing is: nobody else has raised this issue. Nobody. Else.
And I'd venture to say that anybody who points out DL misogyny will instantly be attacked, because bullies can't ever allow themselves to be identified.
The strategy of a bully is to see himself as the victim, all the while kicking the shit out of you.
DL is full of woman-hating bullies.
There's no more reasoned or articulate way to say that.
no fat chicks!
r155 is so brave. And so tender to the touch.
OMG this R149 fella is trying so hard to be condescending, but his overuse of apostrophes is unintentionally hilarious.
I'm not usually a punctuation queen, but that shit is funny.
No hard feeling's though, R149.
I think this thread killed my ability to see new threads. What's going on with this site? Is it some kind of LesBorgian mind fuck? Okay, I surrender.
r159, is that happening to you, too? My DL thing is totally fucked - it 'll only show me threads in which I've posted. I assumed it was some hacker taking vengeance on me! My narcissism'
[quote]I think this thread killed my ability to see new threads. What's going on with this site? Is it some kind of LesBorgian mind fuck? Okay, I surrender.
Yes, my datalounge only shows the 27 posts i have replied to recently. Must be a glitch in the server.
Or maybe OP has organized his vengeful herd of cybercunts and hacked us all for mocking him.
But what are the odds of some dumb cunt being that technically gifted?
"And what I see is the unbearable agony cunts have in not being able to control, entice or fool gay men, because we have no use for the ridiculous wares they attempt to control their world with."
Women control all the world except for gay men, R142? And their chief cause of anger is that gay men are the only people they cannot control?
[quote]Yes, my datalounge only shows the 27 posts i have replied to recently. Must be a glitch in the server.
Or maybe Datalounge died. PRIP, DL.
r163, the post from r142 is alas entirely typical of the way many DL posters apparently feel about women.
DL has returned. I thought its recent weird moment was all about me!
I didn't say I wasn't a narcissist.
I DID say that misogyny on DL must be intervened against wherever it occurs.
Are you with me?
Would Datalounge kill this thread?
Straight men are soooooooo boring. If straight or gay women want to interact with men who are stimulating then their men of choice are gay men. It's that simple. Testosterone may be the devil's underpants but men can be a lot of fun, especially their humour. So straight and lesbian women come to DL to enjoy the humour and opinions of gay men and find that they are despised by those men. What's the answer, who knows. But that's why the women are here.
here's a little nugget of wisdom from OP from way back at R9...
[quote]"Dick" is not a slur like "cunt."
now THAT sounds like MISOGYNY at it's finest...wouldn't you all agree ?
Op is not only a sanctimonious windbag of a cunt, he/she is also a fucking hypocrite whose head is so far up his/her own cunt he/she probably doesn't even realize it, and even if he/she did ,( oh fuck this...let's call OP "it" shall we ?) ..."it" would never admit to posting such a cunty statement.
r169, there are plenty of dull gay men out there, believe me. And lots of fun smart straight men. Look around.
r170, what's your point? "Dick," as a put-down, is much milder an insult than "cunt." Much, much milder.
Halp the datlunge is brokeded
Everyone, just stop posting on this thread. All you are doing is feeding this troll's need for attention.
Stop giving it to him, and he will whither away, because he can't abide being ignored.