I've lived here for about a year now and I think it was a mistake to move. I expected this to be a transformative experience and that's my fault.
The traffic is awful and apt rents are high. The live music culture features mostly struggling bands, but hey it's live. "Live" music itself is overrated. ACL and SXSW festivals are painfully crowded and not worth the hype.
Don't move here.
Never been there and don't intend to.
My ex, who was VERY gay when we were together, went to Austin to marry the girl he dated when he was 17. Yup, @ 38, married a SpEd teacher, whom he got shot.
Good Mexican Gangsta boy, indeed.
Austin is nice...for Texas. Oasis in the desert sort of thing. After having spent college + a few years there in the 90s, I would only move back if I absolutely had to move to Texas.
You are not making any sense, r2. Are you drunk?
End of thread.
R2 is presumably a result of the rural Texas educational system.
You are clearly an idiot if you moved her because you thought the rent would be low or the traffic would be good. The only thing this indicates is that you did not do your own homework. This says nothing about my city other than we have one more person to balance out our relatively high median IQ. ?Thanks for that--I guess?
"whom he got shot"
What on earth does this mean? I have a fucking PhD and can't decipher this. He paid to shoot this person? Where is the context and denouement?
He's waiting for everyone to freak out and be all, "Oh my God, do you mean shot with a gun??"
[quote]My ex, who was VERY gay when we were together, went to Austin to marry the girl he dated when he was 17. Yup, @ 38, married a SpEd teacher, whom he got shot. Good Mexican Gangsta boy, indeed.
As an edumacated person, I'll translate:
1. Gay moves back to Austin
2. Hooks up and marries high school girlfriend
3. She was a special ed teacher
4. His gangsta lifestyle caused her to be shot
5. She might be alive or dead, but Austin and Obama are to blame
I'm with you, OP. Austinite for five years here, and I can't wait to get out of this city. Terrible traffic, shitty unkept roads, high rent, year round allergens, miserable summers. Everything unique or "weird" here is either slowly disappearing (like the Cathedral of Junk) or corporatizing (like the Alamo Drafthouse). A never ending barrage of festivals, parades, and marathons constantly clog up downtown, Town Lake, and/or Zilker.
Austin used to be great.
Then all you fuckers moved here and ruined it all.
Global Warming ain't helping things either
Thank you for this, OP. Please tell us more.
What else? How are the costs of utilities, groceries in comparison? Are you saving significant money from cost of living compared to where you used to live? How is it to meet people? What could you warn people who think it's the land of opportunity?
I need to hear a balance in contrast to what I hear from my friend who moved there and has a pained "everything's great in Austin" when her husband still hasn't found a job there. She found a job in sales, commission only.
Austin was getting clogged with cars when I left it in 1978 so I wonder what it is like now.
I always thought Texas and Austin in particular was self promoted and really offered very little but bugs and heat.
I did once enjoy Barton Springs but in the end the place is no better than any other sunbelt city.
The heat and allergies and crowds make it impossible to enjoy the parks. I miss the lush greenery of the East coast.
Does anyone remember Lars Eighner?
We was a very heavy gay homeless guy who wrote a book called Travels With Lizbeth.
He lived in Austin and loved it. In fact he lived in the park being he could sleep spitting distance from the tea rooms.
Lars is 64 now.
Is Lars still in Austin?
If you have to be in Texas, Austin is the only place to live.
Maybe Hot Springs Arkansas will be the next cool place.
Hang around...I hear naked bongos is popular.
Eureka Springs is the cool place for gays in Arkansas.
Elijah Wood lives in Austin now...
[quote]Austin was getting clogged with cars when I left it in 1978 so I wonder what it is like now.
You wouldn't even recognize it.
In the early 2000s, I visited a friend up north of Parmer, and "Mopac/Loop1/Burnet" was a 2-lane country road up there.
Now it's a six lane freeway with six lanes of frontage road, and it's STILL a parking lot.
They're adding another lane to MoPac/Loop1 between Parmer and downtown starting this year. And it'll still be a parking lot.
They added a huge massive interchange at I35 and 71, and it's still a nightmare.
The skyline has about ten new towers just since 2000.
Barton Springs is still there and is still nice, but good luck driving on the road that gets you there sometimes. They widened "Restaurant Row" there and put in left turn lanes, and it's still a mess.
The population has nearly tripled since you left, just FYI.
All I can say is I hate the most delicious and BIG cock I've ever had while visiting Austin. I'm still not entirely sure how I can still walk.
hate = had
That enormous cock must have damaged my brain, too
Well, r26, that is one thing Austin has going for it - tons of willing fuck holes of all shapes and sizes. The locals are huge sluts and there are tons of visitors all the time, so pretty much a constant flow of cock.
Austin did figure into gay Texas big time back in the day.
All of the Texan queer boys and girls usually did make it their first destination out of their hometowns.
We poured in from Fort Worth and El Paso for the university.
When I was there in the seventies all of the gay folks left after they finished university.
Half the crowd headed to New York while the other half headed to California.
I went to San Francisco and my only regret in life was that I didn't go to New York. Oh well.
Austin was a four year town then.
Where is Kirker when you need him?
I live in Austin and haven't gotten laid here in years.
I go to New Orleans for that.
Since I'm here, I might as well visit Kirker's thrift store. Where is it?
It closed I thought.
And don't let anyone tell you it's some big film scene either. Total bullshit. All free indie shit and mixers that add up to nothing.
Too bad, too, because there's a huge talent pool there. But no work.
Call me stupid but who is Kirker?
Well, things haven't changed much since I left in 1978.
The best I could hope for was washing dishes in Clarksville.
Supposedly Austin was a very cool medium sized city back in the 70's when Willie Nelson and the rest of outlaw country music was headquartered there. I lived there in the 80's when the traffic and growth were starting to get out of hand, but it was still a cool place to live. It's basically about doubled in size since then and is now a large city that still tries to pretend it's the cool smaller college town it used to be. The problem is you don't get the large city stuff you would get in Houston or the Metroplex like pro sports teams or many more choices in the arts and museums and restaurants. What you get in return is a far better live music scene and loads of outdoor activities. It's still a good place to live, but it's not the oasis it was 300-40 years ago.
I love the term Metroplex. It sounds like a Fischer Price toy.
I was not impressed with Austin when I visited. It was like a bunch of people playing a part. 6th street was kind of like Bourbon street and everyone was drunk and acting like fools. I could see having fun there in my 20's and quickly getting bored.
Austin was pretty cool in the seventies for us Texans who were arriving from the outback to attend school.
Austinites continue to self promote the place and the truth is it was only cool for Texas. If you compared it to the West Coast it was pretty backwater.
The Cosmic Cowboy scene was fun but very, very homophobic then.
I was happy to move on in 1978.
It's very stale....like the rest of Texas.
R34 is spot on. The "film" scene there is total B.S; just a bunch of no name productions being made. I did alot of extra/background work when I lived there last year and you would see the same other extras on every single low budget project because that's all there is there.
I went to school there and loved it as a student but would never move back. Traffic is horrible with gridlock on every street/highway and the cost of housing is ridiculously high. I go down there from Dallas a couple times a year to visit friends and am always glad to leave. It's a beating.
The people in Austin are mean, you can never get laid, the architecture is boring, traffic is bad, drinks are expensive, it's too damn hot, it's pretentious - wow, it's one of the worst places to live on earth and it's getting badder every day. It's the Lagos of America.
Far too many gays as well.
It's a pitiful city. The people I know from there who boast about how great is usually a) have no jobs (but make up a web of lies about consulting and other things), and b) are freaking out because they have no job.
It WAS cool about ten years ago. Those who are having fun there, that's awesome. I'm sure I've just seen the boring, dull side of the city.
Are you being hilarious, R45, or are you a shithead?
[quote]Call me stupid but who is Kirker?
Oh... lucky, lucky you!
Are there any more mean things to say about Austin?
[quote]Are there any more mean things to say about Austin?
There's nothing meaner than calling it " the Lagos of America"
What's the gloryhole situation there now?
There are lots of tops with HUGE thick cocks to be found there. That maker it worth it.
Austin was wonderful in the 80s and 90s. Unlike Dallas and Houston, nobody cared what kind of clothes you wore, or what kind of car you drove. That all changed around 2000, when the Californians moved in. Now you have to live in a multi-million dollar mansion and drive a $70,000 car or you're a nobody. It's become Dallas.
It's a young town because of UT, and it can be a very lonely place for a gay single guy over 40. Your chances of finding a boyfriend are slim to none if you aren't in your 20s or early 30s.
Austin is no where near Dallas. Austin is a small town, that got big and didn't plan accordingly.
Dallas is a large, very cosmopolitan city.
Everyone keeps talking about the traffic. How bad is it?
The University Tower was the site of the first American crazy serial killer of modern times. A beautifully blue eyed blonde ex-marine.
I live in Austin now. Born in San Antonio. Austin is very pretentious and for all of its claims to being liberal the city is very segregated as to where minorities live and the attitude. It grew too big too fast and the city gave too many tax rebates to businesses when they needed money to upgrade the infrastructure. They need loops around the city without stoplights but at this point land is so expensive that it won't happen so everyone is left with I35 and MoPac which are pretty parallel to each other. The streets are older and narrow with pot holes so taking back streets to evade traffic is pretty useless.
It was listed by some entity a few months ago as being the most expensive city to live in (this was an item covered in the media in Austin)beating out San Francisco. But, it was looking at utilities and child care, etc. not home prices. The utilities and property taxes are high compared to other cities. If you are thinking about moving here and don't have a lot of money be careful about statistics released by the city. Housing prices include the city of Round Rock, as do a lot of statistics the city pushes to show it is an affordable place. People move here to find out a house built in the 1950's in an area unsafe to walk at night is over $350,000 because it is fairly close to downtown. If they can't afford that they have to move to the very uncool outskirts of Austin or to Round Rock or one of the other outlying cities and deal with the traffic headache.
Austin is becoming like Seattle, Manhattan, and other cities where it is a great place to live it you can afford to live in the "cool" places.
R59 has it exactly correct.
Yes R59 is quite right. It's a horrible city that pretends to be cool. Used to be liberal, and still votes blue, but it's getting more and more like the rest of the shitty state it's in--bigoted, intolerant, conservative. Just an awful place.
Is Kirker still there?
I have a feeling r62 IS kirker...
I live in Colorado and it seems like the four people I know who are from there feel it's very important to remind you about it.
r59, that's actually very disturbing. It seems that a lot of these hipster colonies eventually "go big or go home". I remember someone on here a while back described Portland, Oregon in the same way: as losing its charm, expanding too rapidly and hiding its segregated face from the world.
I know that Austin is pushing LRT as public transit, but is there any hope that they will expand like Dallas or even smaller US cities like Little Rock and Newark have?
My onetime main hag who has become obsessed with her uninteresting job and her closeted gay husband who I can't believe she didn't see through dream of moving to Austin. They will probably love it.
It's not really "overrated." It's not Houston or Dallas, and that was enough. Of course, San Antonio isn't Houston or Dallas either, and is only 50 miles from Austin, but the kind of people who are into Austin would find the Hispanic culture of San Antonio too alienating, so right there you have a limit on the "cool" factor.
They are liberal for Texas, but they are not liberal. Even Molly Ivins was charmed by George W. Bush, unlike people in say, Minnesota.
The live music scene is impressive for people who have a horror of Nashville, or to people who flood Lollapalooza every year. But it is a community of impecunious artists without much economic foundation, and it won't last unless one of them comes up with something truly original, and that seems unlikely. There is no "music education" anywhere in Texas, so all the musicians at the place either come from away or are untrained children.
Gays are abundant, but it was clear even ten years ago that Austin had a "moment" when it was the gay mecca of Texas, probably when Houston and Dallas were suffering economic disaster in the late 80s, but that the parade had passed it by in more recent years, leaving a huge population of single guys who would now be in the 45-60 age range, but still hoping to hook up with a college twink.
Traffic is bad for Texas, but not bad by national standards and quite good by Florida, Georgia, and Carolina standards. Housing is expensive for Texas, but not at a coastal or even Chicago or Minneapolis level.
The area is quite attractive, and has plenty to see and do from Lake Travis to the bats to the French Legation, etc. Granted, it is not so attractive as the hill country towns, and for a tourist a big "meh" in comparison to San Antonio.
San Antonio is much cheaper, bigger, cooler, and more attractive. However, S.A. is also homophobic, military, and Hispanic. Given that Austin is like an "enclave" of 1980s and 1990s America in the foreign land of 2000s America, but since the past is not really another country, it has no frontier edginess but a lump in the throat melancholy that has a tendency to lay waste various self-reinvention schemes in a way that brutal conservative places like Houston would not.
San Antonio seems even hotter than Austin is. I went there once and could hardly leave the hotel room due to the heat.
I've been here about three years (CA transplant, sorry natives...moved here to help my elderly parents)and R59 is spot on. I bought in a 'burb about 20 miles from downtown both to be closer to my folks and the ole "drive to you qualify" adage.
Traffic is a nightmare and drivers are sadistic. I work near the airport and live near the toll road so don't have to deal with I35 and Mopac madness, but the few times I've had to use 35 I had memories of my countless hours sitting on the 405 in LA.
Getting in/out of downtown for any of the festivals just isn't worth the hassle. The weather is atrocious save for about five weeks in March/April. If my folks weren't here and didn't my support I would definitely leave. I didn't move here because of the hype, but if I had, I would be sorely disappointed.
OVERrated? When was it ever rated, period?
So is it not cool to wear a "Keep Austin Weird" tshirt any longer? It's become so yuppified.
Austin isn't weird. It is living on its 1980 reputation. Just another suburban sunbelt city these days.
I've never been to Austin but I always wanted to see it. Also San Antonio's River Walk. A friend bought a house outside of Austin in Round Rock. I was amazed at what he got for his money. Of course, I live in NY.
Do any Dataloungers know about San Antonio's Folklife Festival?
Please reply if so.
For you fed-up Austinites, where else in Texas could you recommend to move to that has a burgeoning arts scene other than the Marfa area?
Parts of east TX. And they really, really need it. Longview/Tyler area.
R76--was it Tyler or Vidor that had those racial problems several years back?
San Antonio is a dump. It's basically Mexico, with about 90% Hispanic population. You can see the Alamo and the River Walk in a couple of hours, and then you never want to go back. San Antonio resident Vicki Carr can be seen strolling along the River Walk at night selling pralines to tourists. One time she was posing for photos with a group of tourists and she fell in the water.
The Big Bend area of Texas is starting to move into the hip direction. It has an arts scene going on.
And you are a racist ass, R79.
Is the Iron Works Bar-B-Q still around? Used to be wonderful.
Big Bend is way too out in the boonies. East TX is hick but the Longview Tyler area keeps it afloat. Start there
Bodacious BBQ is the BEST bbq in Texas and the world.
Downtown Tyler looks pretty built up for a small town. Austin must have been like this in the early 60's.
Tyler is homophobic and filled with pollen.
Nobody should move there who has asthma or allergies.
It is, however, just an hour's drive from Dallas.
And that's why G.W. Bush couldn't call the FBI until the time that he did.
And who would want to be close to Dallas?
I mean G.H.W. Bush
Tyler is heavy-duty Republican. It's where Louis Gohmert is from. You won't find a single Democrat until you reach the Dallas city limits.
All of East Texas is racist, homophobic and evangelical.
Austin has it's problems and i do think it's days as a cool, hip place to be are waning but it's still awesome by Texas standards. I personally live about 45 minutes away so maybe if i had to sit in traffic everyday i'd think it was a hell hole but i can visit and don't have to stay.
Just a reminder Travis county was the only county in Texas to vote against a state constitutional amendment banning gay marriage back in 2005. I believe Los Angeles county voted for prop 8, just a little perspective for ya.
No it didn't, but to the extent LA county is conservative, it contains Simi Valley. Texas counties are very small, meaning all the subrban counties surrounding Austin voted against gays.
Austin is only about 3-3.5 hours away from Dallas, and 3.5-4 hours away from Houston. Totally drivable, even as a day trip (I've gone to both places and spent the night and driven back the next day).
And who wants to be in driving distance of either Houston or Dallas?
r94, Simi Valley is in Ventura county and to your point Travis county has suburbs within its boundries as well. My point was people shouldn't throw around the word homophobic when places held in such high regard such as Los Angeles county aren't as great as we want them to be either.
Janet Jackson doesn't like Austin either. They didn't support her Rhythm Nation. Assholes.
I escaped from East Texas 20 years ago but still have to go back from time-to-time to visit my mom. No one should EVER move there. It's full of Texas secessionists and fundies galore. And I'm talking about Tyler/Longview, specifically. Run away!
Well like it or not guys there are a LOT of gays in east TX and they need support too. And most of them are really cool people.
If we want to support our gay brothers and sisters in East Texas we need to send them moving vans.
Land area Travis County is 990 square miles.
Home to 20 cities, towns, and villages. Home to 1 million people.
Land area Los Angeles County 4,061 square miles.
LA County home to 88 incorporated cities, 87 of which are not Los Angeles.
Home to 10 million people.
Can we say some more bad things about Austin?
Austin, like ALL of Texas, has utterly shitty pizza.
My hair always gets frizzy in Austin due to the humidity.
It's rarely humid in Austin.
Now HOUSTON is another matter entirely...
Does it really do anyone any good to discuss the merits or lack thereof of the various cities in TEXAS?? All a person has to do these days is pick up any newspaper at all and there's overwhelming evidence that the mean and stupid have Texas in their grip.
Texas is quite possibly one of the last states I would ever choose to live in.
R107, a lot of people have that opinion, but I can only imagine it's because of their utter lack of imagination. Your realize that every major city in Texas but two voted for Obama, right? (Houston, Dallas, Austin, San Antonio, El Paso ... the two that didn't were Ft Worth and Amarillo)
And you apparently forget about hell-holes like Oklahoma, Alabama, Mississippi, and even Kansas? ALL of whom are worse politically, more racist, more anti-science, and more backwards than Texas.
It's quite possible that in the next 20 years, even the next 10, Texas could vote Blue and become a Blue state.
That it's in the grip of right-wing ideologues doesn't speak to the people in general, to be honest.
All you need to know about Texas including Austin (from which I fled a year ago): moved away and a few months later, my elderly parents called me, freaked out that a collection agency was calling them looking for me. I told them I'd take care of it, called the number...
And found it was regarding a toll signal I had driven past in my travel away (they don't have traditional booths with people, that would be too easy). The amount they were calling to collect: .93 As is NINETY-THREE CENTS.
Which they had passed over to some collections department in Arizona. I promptly told them to suck my dick and swore off ever returning to TX again. So the next time Rick Perry tells you that state is the model...
Too much foreskin. Rednecks and latinos don't get cut so it is smegma city.
LOVE big white Texan uncut cock. Yum.
R110 is both wrong and delusional.
[quote]Gays are abundant, but it was clear even ten years ago that Austin had a "moment" when it was the gay mecca of Texas, probably when Houston and Dallas were suffering economic disaster in the late 80s, but that the parade had passed it by in more recent years, leaving a huge population of single guys who would now be in the 45-60 age range, but still hoping to hook up with a college twink.
Unlike much of what is posted on this site about Texas, this is 100% accurate. All the Houston gays wanted to move to Austin in the late 80s; those that actually went are now stuck there getting older, while the twinks stay the same age.
Yeah. I think I moved here on the tail end of Austin's gay mecca status.
It really was amazing for a few years.
It's boring as shit now. And being a single pushing 50, it's nearly impossible to date. Let alone find someone. Everyone is either already partnered, or not looking for one, or is chasing college boys.
[R67] Austin is like an "enclave" of 1980s and 1990s America in the foreign land of 2000s America, but since the past is not really another country, it has no frontier edginess but a lump in the throat melancholy.
This. This is why I think many, especially conservative Southern Californians, move to Austin. They want the Americana of yore, white, middle-class and homogenous. Traffic is not as bad as many other urban areas. A half-mil house in Austin will get you a lot more than a half-mil or million dollar house in SF, LA, Chicago or NY. Public schools are newer and better funded. That's what attracts many people. What I dislike is that the boast of jobs is over-rated. Yes, people in their 20s might be able to jump on the tech jobs moving to Austin, but over 40s won't have as many choices. I know two men in their early 5os from L.A. who are "consultants" basically living on retirement too early because they couldn't get production or marketing jobs in their former fields. Bleh.
R115, Austin isn't white or homogeneous, and the traffic is freakin' awful compared to most of the US.
It's hard to find even crap houses for under half-mill anywhere near downtown any more (and any condos downtown seem to start at a quarter mill for a tiny one bedroom loft and go up from there).
And there's enough high tech here, as well as arts and music, for this place to be nothing like a 90s time capsule.
I have no idea where you're getting most of this stuff you're asserting.
R115; the only area of Austin that is white is the area around UT and the outlying burbs north of Austin and West of Mopac. Anything south of 6th street is all blacks and hispanics.
R116's favorite movie is "Nadine."
R118, I've never even heard of the movie "Nadine".
Austin is bisected by I35. Left of it is white and relatively affluent, right of it is nasty and poor, like some sort of barrio.
What Austin has going for it is a decent economy, parks and Town Lake (AKA Lady Bird Lake). But it has been overrun by hipsters and trustafarians.
R120's information is woefully out of date.
Not everything south of 6th and east of I-35 is black and hispanic [R115]. Travis Heights and Onion Creek CC are exceptions to that claim. Obviously your travels about town are within a very tight radius.
Is the guy in R48 gay?
How are those bars on your windows, R121?
R124? Hon? Take your head out of your ass. Downtown Austin east of I35 is being renovated ("gentrified"), and is a vibrant arts and bar and restaurant are now.
I'd wager I make more than you do. I live in a neighborhood in North Austin. Nice houses, safe quiet streets, and it's VERY diverse here. Not just latinos and blacks and whites, but Asians and people from India and more.
Take your ignorant racist/classist crap elsewhere, asswipe.
Didn't a lot of musicians move there after the 1994 earthquake in LA and drive prices up?
"Don't move here."
I went to Austin for two weeks for a contract job.
When I got back to Phoenix, I was relieved and thankful.
Oh yeah, I'd love to move there and pay $425,000 for a slum dwelling like this.
Nobody would pay that much for that house. It's high priced because it's so close to downtown in a revitalizing area, but look at the real price under the $425k number... it's more like $200k.
Where are the gloryholes?
I used to get a lot of dick at Dobie Hall back in the day.
[quote] but look at the real price under the $425k number... it's more like $200k
Where does it as that the real price is @ $200k?
Are you blind or retarded?
It's Sunday and therefore time to trash Austin some more.
I didn't much care for Austin on my one visit there either.
I considered moving there around 2000, and I spent almost a month there trying to decide.
Pompous, puffed-up people, "liberal for Texas," and very, very proud to be Texans -- and the blacks and the whites get along well, because both groups hate the Mexicans.
Another over-hyped hick town with delusions of grandeur.
I'm gathering that since we're 136 in we've decided not to tell foreigners about Denton. Good. They can stay away.
[quote]I go down there from Dallas a couple times a year to visit friends and am always glad to leave. It's a beating.
THIS explains a lot...
Traffic is unbearable? As compared to WHERE? NYC? Atlanta? Boston? DC? San Fran? There is no comparison.
Rent is EXTREMELY high? You know it is a top ten sized city now right? You can easily find very very decent, safe housing for under 900 as a single person under 600 if w roommate. Renting a big house 2 miles from downtown however may be different.
[quote]Unlike Dallas and Houston, nobody cared what kind of clothes you wore, or what kind of car you drove. That all changed around 2000, when the Californians moved in. Now you have to live in a multi-million dollar mansion and drive a $70,000 car or you're a nobody.
*eyes rolling onto the floor and down Riverside Dr.
I think the problem here is that people here who are posting are trying to be part of the gay "social scene". That is NOT why Austin is still pretty cool- it's cool because there are lots of social scenes where nobody gives a fuck about what car you drive or how much you make. Also a lot of cute geeks there so you don't even have to be a sharp dresser. If you are into bears and men with thick legs Austin is pretty amazing. Half of the people I know there bike around when they can. Then again I like hot weather and hot hairy latin men... Also I like hanging out with heteros typically more than groups of insecure image-obsessed gays. Sure there are "scene-y" hang out places like Rainy St etc. I just think some gays just like uncomfortable polluted sceney places where they can pack a martini bar full of bottoms like sardines and drink sour apples. No thanks, lip-gloss n Prada queens.
[quote]I went to Austin for two weeks for a contract job. When I got back to Phoenix, I was relieved and thankful.
*eyes still rolling down Riverside btw the pedestrian walk and bike lane...*
I never really understood what it was that Texans are so proud of. In the end their state is as interesting as Ohio and you never hear folks from Ohio going on and on about how wonderful they are. Why do Texans think they are so uniquely special?
R129 That's on the East side. It's listed for that much because it's in an area that the hipsters think that they're "gentrifying." Meanwhile, it's still the East side and near Chicon, a known area for prostitutes and half-way houses.
R141 I've never understood it either. Other than the fact it's the biggest state, what's left to brag about? There really isn't that much scenery, there really isn't much historical architecture, most of the people have nasty attitudes, and it's notoriously conservative and homophobic.
And Texans are real tubby too. That has got to be the fattest state.
R144, Austin is one of the most fit cities in the country.
It's Sunday and no one trashed Austin.
Speaking of Austin, someone from Austin named Kirker is bitching up the Gawker site right now.
One of the founders of Ace Hotels died unexpectedly and Kirker is attempting to make it all about himself. You see, he was into the whole Ace Hotel thing BEFORE it was cool. He's so sad to hear about this co-founders death because, omg you guys, HE totally stayed in the NYC Ace Hotel BEFORE it became "tragically hip."
Well, someone needs to tell us newcomers who Kirker is.
Kirker or Kiki as he's known by his friends is an anitique store owner in Austin and DL regular and Austin bon vivant.
Austin has bon vivants?
Did anyone here attend the F1 race in Austin this weekend?
He who shall not be named.
It's Sunday and time to trash Austin and Texas again. I never get tired of this for some reason.
Clearly, this thread needs more balance, so...
1. I've lived in both Austin and L.A., and Austin isn't even in the same UNIVERSE as L.A. when it comes to traffic. Ditto NYC, D.C., or even Houston and Dallas. Austin traffic is terrible at rush hour, about two hours or so each morning and evening, and during its ever-increasing number of "event weekends" (COTA, SXSW, ACL, any UT home game, etc.).
2. Housing-wise, Austin is pricey and getting more so by the week, but again: not even remotely in the same league as NYC, D.C., L.A. or SF. One of my friends recently moved there from Manhattan, and after paying nearly $2K a month for a shitty walk-up studio, she was flat-out shocked to find a cute, renovated 2BR duplex for $1,100/month in Central Austin. Still, if you want to buy a place, expect to pay $400K-$500K for a renovated 2BR bungalow near downtown.
3. R120's info is about a decade out of date. "Old" East Austin, the area immediately east of I-35 and downtown, is being gentrified beyond recognition. Housing prices are rapidly escalating, though it's still cheaper than west of the interstate, and the Hispanic and black communities that lived there are being forced out, as is pretty much always the case with gentrification. All of the old Tejano bars are being converted into "hipster" dive bars, and the drug dealers and hookers in "crack ho" central along E. 11th and E. 12th has been forced out. Granted, you can still find seedy parts in the area, particularly around its numerous housing projects, but for the most part blacks and Hispanics have relocated to Northeast and Southeast Austin. But yes, Austin is definitely segregated, although it's mostly *intentional* self-segregation, and the city is nowhere near as segregated as the two supposed liberal meccas of Los Angeles and NYC (the second-most segregated city in the U.S., behind Milwaukee).
4. North Austin, the area R25 describes, has grown the most in the past decade. A freeway that used to dead-end just past Central Austin (MoPac) has now been extended 15 miles out to the suburbs in Round Rock, where Dell is headquartered, and about half of it is a toll road. To me it looks almost indistinguishable from the nicer parts of Orange County: all chain stores, "luxury" apartments and overpriced tract houses. OTOH it's only a "parking lot" during Austin's comparatively short rush hour, and again, not even in the same league as SoCal traffic.
5. I'm not sure who on here is complaining about jobs, but Austin's unemployment rate is at 5% and among the lowest of any medium-sized city in the country. If you can't find a job there, you seriously aren't trying hard enough.
6. No, you should not move to Austin expecting to work in the movie business. Texas refuses to offer production companies the same types of tax incentives available in neighboring New Mexico and Louisiana, not to mention Georgia or North Carolina, and as such loses a lot of business. Even films set there (e.g. "No Country for Old Men" and the more recent "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" movies) are predominantly shot in New Mexico and Louisiana.
My boyfriend has gotten a job offer in Austin and wants me to come along. Should I do it?
Reading Molly Ivins autobio, it sounded like the air went out of Austin in the 80s. Like a lot of sunbelt sprawlburgs, it managed to keep the rep going long after it was deserved. In fairness, there are some very nice restaurants, Hill Country is interesting (although given the previous Ohio analogy, I'd say it's a hotter version of many part of Ohio), and some local color remains but I couldn't imagine moving there.
I used to go there once or twice a year for work and it seemed like a somewhat more colorful version of typical state capitals--places like Hartford, Columbus, Indianapolis--boring places that often outferformed nearby cities because of their white color employment but still pretty dull stuff.
I remember going to the original Whole Foods (this was before I had one locally) and being unimpressed. Now we're all stuck with their overpriced, overrated crap.
R154 has clearly never been to Austin.
I keep reading that San Antonio is going through a revival & people are moving there. There's a food scene amongst other things.
Austin's crime is that it is located in that redneck state. It can never be nice.
Texas sucks. As a matter of fact the entire mid-west U.S. sucks. I have never been there and never will go there. It nothing but a bunch of Rethug assholes. The north won the war for a reason honey.
Actually the pool of datable men over 50 is its most attractive feature. These were guys who lived in the gayborhoods of Houston and Dallas, did a stint in Cali or NY or N.O., and who were downsized during normal homophobic corporate downsizings in the 80s and 90s and got their second wind...at a more precarious employment level... in Austin. The bad part is that the economy is not as robust as you may have been told. Texas, unlike Ohio and Indiana or even Iowa, is not a generous employer nor likely to become one. The Austin live music scene is a habitual over-employer (the money is still in recording and still goes to Nashville). The Austin high tech scene is not what it was and relies mainly on military contracts, which are also not what they were. But for all that, it still is middle America in a way which is gone most places. And a good place for older gays, if they have low expectations of employment or retirement.
Austin was great in the '70s. My dad was transferred there (well, close enough to Austin, Round Rock) in '77 and we were there until right after I graduated H.S. (1980). I left for college out of state in '80 and my parents moved back to Colorado in early 1981. I haven't been there since. I have always wanted to go back (for nostalgia's sake) but just haven't. I'll bet it has changed so much since then. Someday I'll trek my swingin' dick back there for a visit.
R158 you couldn't pay me enough to live in San Antonio. There's no diversity at all. Nothing but Mexicans.
I left Austin after 12 years. My sister still lives there and I won't even go to visit. The traffic is ignorant. Everyone who lives there thinks that they're so special for living there--but it's still Texas.
And like most of TX the reason for the low unemployment rate is because of the abundance of call center and low income retail jobs there. Sure, you can get work but it's shit work. Unless you're one of the wanna be hipster trust fund babies who you see laid out on the ground sunning in the middle of the day at town lake.
The traffic getting worse and worse. If you are a hipster living in the center of town this won't matter to you. The sidewalks are crawling with people South Congress and downtown - some people like this - I hardly ever go there anymore. Hiking trails are overrun, too many dogs and people on Red Bud Isle. It has changed a lot - I have been here for 22 years. Housing prices are skyrocketing again - up 20% in the last couple of months. It's still cheaper than SF or NYC. I still like it here but over-development is ruining it all fast. If you are new and never knew what Austin used to be like you won't know the difference.
Tipping point was around the time of the switch to the new airport. I've been a regular visitor for 20 years and the Slacker/Dazed & Confused vibe has drowned in the traffic.
They think they are hip and cool, but they all sound like Jeff Bridges in "Nadine"
I lived in Austin from 1988 - 1992, and have made yearly treks back there to visit. It is really amazing how much it has grown and changed. When I was there, downtown had some activity at night, particularly around sixth street and around the gay bars, and South Congress at night was dead - nothing going on. Three weeks ago I was there and downtown was bustling all over and South Congress was lined with restaurants and shops and food trailers and there was NO parking spaces anywhere - crowds of people everywhere.