The "free," self-serving cunt yet trapped cunt, Edward Snowden grocery shopping & being oblivious somewhere in Russia
A Russian news website published a photograph today that it claims is the first to show US intelligence leaker Edward Snowden since he emerged from a Moscow airport in August.
In the blurry image published by Life News, a casually dressed man sporting a goatee with sunglasses perched on his head is pictured pushing a supermarket trolley full of groceries across a road.
A car with partly legible Russian plates and a crossing sign identify the scene as in Russia.
'The photograph was taken in Moscow,' said Life News, which is known for its close ties to the Kremlin and security services.
There has been no reported sighting of Snowden since he walked out of Moscow's Sheremetyevo airport on August 1 after obtaining temporary asylum in Russia despite protests from Washington.
The 30-year-old former CIA contractor is wanted by the United States after revealing details of massive surveillance by the National Security Agency to the media.
Snowden's Russian lawyer Anatoly Kucherena has said he is living in a secret location in fear of being tracked down by US law enforcers.
Life News published video extracts from an interview with Kremlin-friendly Kucherena, who refused to confirm that Snowden is living in Moscow.
'Let's take as a starting point that on the photograph that came into your possession you can't see the region or anything, only numbers (on a car number plate),' he said.
The photograph, if genuine, also does not show the bodyguards who Kucherena says accompany Snowden.
It was not clear when the photograph was taken, however it is likely to be several weeks old as it is now autumn in Russia and the picture shows trees covered with green leaves.
Life News, which is the online wing of popular tabloid Tvoi Den, wrote on a Russian social networking page that it paid 100,000 rubles (about $3,000) for the photograph submitted via its website.
Kucherena last month told Itogi weekly magazine that Snowden manages to walk around in disguise.
'He would walk past you and you wouldn't recognise him,' he told Itogi. 'It's a question of clothes and small alterations to his appearance... He really does walk freely around on the streets.'
Life News pointed out that the man resembling Snowden did not seem to be economising on his supermarket shop, with a trolley containing at least half a dozen bags - despite claims by Kucherena that the American is running out of money.
'As you can see the former special services employee has picked up a full trolley of food according to American tradition. That clearly cost more than one thousand rubles,' it wrote.
Kucherena told the website that '(Snowden) is living in quite a poor way as he has practically no money'.
The photograph appears to show Snowden breaking Russian law by jaywalking, Life News added, an offence for which he could be fined.
Life News, known for eye-catching scoops, in August published photographs showing Snowden walking out of Sheremetyevo airport with a huge grin on his face.
None of the journalists keeping watch at the airport spotted him at the time and it was not clear how the website obtained the photographs.
Well, if I could edit that subject line, you know I would!
he should be forced to give up hole to russian soldiers or something
He looks quite gay in those pics. I wonder if he's doing a lot of sexual favors for Putin to be able to stay in the country?
I don't really have a problem with Snowden living comfortably in Russia. It isn't like he told then anything they didn't already know. If anything, they were probably disappointed.
Happy for him. We owe him a lot.
He has more guts than the miserable cur OP ever will have.
It's so weird that America's governments have become so corrupted by power that we have to rely on a freedom-hating dictator to supply him with a modicum of justice.
It's because our government is not for the people by the people. It's corrupted by greed and a value system that is only based on money. Snowden has shown us we are not freedom loving ourselves.
Sure, r8, because Snowden has so much freedom on his new adopted homeland. Oh, and we just know that Russia doesn't monitor its citizens communications or spy on foreign governments.
A bit hypocritical of this so-called hero who fled his country because it was supposedly going to harm him for "speaking out" seeking refuge in a country where he's not allowed to speak at all.
"He really does walk freely around on the streets."
Yeah, I'm sure he doesn't have anyone from the Russian secret service following him around.
I'm not so sure the guy in the pic actually is Snowden (unless he had his mole removed).
When will you get angry R9 at what is going on in this country? Snowden did something that has exposed the mindset of the state and how it looks at us. And how it has treated him and others who tell the truth? And all you are capable of is good old American jingoism?
Snowden is an American here.
Snowden is a hero, OP on the other had is an ignorant cunt hiding behind computer screen. Without Snowden, people would never know the US constitution, the greatest asset of the country, has been repeatedly raped by the government.
No, R11, he is an American there by his own actions.
R10, I'm actually not "capable of good old American jingoism" because I'm not even American. I do know a little about your constitution and to claim it is being "raped" as r12 does is nonsense.
What I was trying to expose is the hypocrisy of Snowden and those who proclaim him a "hero". You think the way in which the state in America views its citizens is bad? Well, what do you make of the way the Russian state views its citizens? If Snowden really cared about the way in which the state treats its citizens he would not have run off to parts of China and then Russia in order to "escape" from the supposed evil repercussion of the American state.
All Snowden and other idiots like Assange and Greenwald and the idiots at the Guardian are interested in doing is bashing the US because it makes them seem cool. They have absolutely no interest in informing us of the monitoring and intelligence gathering practices of any countries other than the US and UK. If they did then they would be rushing to expose the espionage activities of Russia, with a former KGB head as its president. They'd be wanting to reveal all the limits on internet use on Chinese citizens and how their state monitors their them. They'd be telling us of the treatment of journalists and opposition politicians in all those Latin American countries that love to hate America.
But, instead, as part of their little boy US-bashing, they hugely inflate their "revelations" and make it sound as though they are exposing some evil that is unheard of in the history of humanity, which only the US practices. Really? My mobile phone bill shows more such information on me than anything the US or my government has. Seriously, we're meant to believe that David Miranda didn't know what he was carrying? He's the world's greatest potential drug mule then!
This is the one thing Snowden supporters never bother to explain: why is Snowden in Russia? Why don't we ever hear anything more from him now that he is in Russia?
He did us a favor. The NSA is TFOOC.
I do worry about him, and the reality of how he is being treated. It might be reassuring to see him doing something normal like buying groceries, but it could be staged, and his reality might be vastly different from the exile many of us imagine.
He's an awful human being.
True heroes and revolutionaries take on the government then stand their ground. He would have been a hero to millions had he stayed here at home and faced the music.
But, he ran away like a little bitch. AND he ran to rogue countries who are not friends of the U.S.
Why didn't he go to the U.K. or even France who would have certainly allowed him to stay?
He was a fucking spy, not a hero. He did this for no one else but himself and I hope he pays a heavy price for the rest of his miserable fucking life.
Only Freepers are anti-whistleblowers. Liberals would be praising him if Bush was in office.
A libertarian in Putin's Russia. he's being punished enough.
I hope Snowden is able to help improve the rights of Russians, especially the LGBQ community. Anyone know if he has a job?
If he's gay, he'd better watch his ass in Russia. Literally. The govt has pretty much issued a license to kill.
Drop dead, R18. You have no idea what you're talking about, and, nor to whom you are speaking.
The US government was not going to murder the man, or cause a tragic "accident." This was too high profile for cloak and dagger CIA drama. Snowden, as other posters have stated (and who you conveniently ignore) should have stood his ground and fought on American soil, not run and whine like a spoiled brat.
Snowden made my Obammy look bad. I hates him.
What I find funniest about this is that Snowden's every move, every key stroke, and every fart are being monitored. I have a feeling the Russians don't know what to make of him and are trying hard to find out.
"I'm not so sure the guy in the pic actually is Snowden (unless he had his mole removed)."
If you look closely, which I unfortunately did, that disturbing, disgusting mole is still there apparently.
It's surreal to see gays stating what a hero this guy is for running away and giving U.S. secrets to an even more oppressive country that is working hard to have gays completely oppressed.
So R26 are we better of knowing the abuses of our country or not? You would be licking his shitter until you got to his small intestines if it were Bush in office.
Did he return the shopping cart?
Thank you OP for this thread! I can't stand Snowden/Greenwald.
[quote] because Snowden has so much freedom on his new adopted homeland.
r9, he has more freedom in Russia right now than he ever will in America.
Could you please explain how that works for him in Russia, R30?
r31, can you please explain how it not works for him in Russia?
That doesn't look like Snowden in that photo.
Snowden didn't give away State secrets. The spying the US terrorizes its people and the rest of the world with is for economic reasons, again for Wall Street.
I hope he enjoys the bed he made for himself.
He has no income, is the Russian government paying for his apartment, expenses or is the traitor's family here in the states supporting him. When this story broke, some website had photos of him when he did some "artistic posing" fully clothed. I believe he had intentions of becoming a male model. I wonder if the Russian government is supplying him with female or male companionship. Nix the male companionship since that is a crime in Putin's Russia.
R36, if I recall, according to the Wikileaks attorney assisting him, he was offered a programming or technology job of some sort in Russia.
traitor? traitor to what? I'm glad he got away, smarter than Manning. that's the way to do it.
I think he's a hero.
Manning's problem was that he didn't wait until he got out of the Army to divulge what he knew.
Apparently one of Manning's many problems.
yes he's a hero alright, running to much more oppressive countries than the US. How ironic he seeks refuge in a country that has horrible human rights and in which the government does all kinds of shit to its people.
You idiots who call him a hero don't understand the meaning of the word.
Would you prefer he would have stayed here and been imprisoned for 35 years like Bradley Manning, OP? Would that be the only way he could prove to you that he's not self serving?
r41, where would you like him to seek refuge? Do you think he had a wide variety of choices where he could go to evade the hypocritical reach of American law?
R43 a country that has much better human rights than fucking Russia. He's a hypocrite and the OP is right about him being self-serving.
If he is a hero, why Russia? Why not flee to Scandinavia..Sweden has been a haven for many.
Anyone that is under the impression that only the US spies is a bit delusional. Every country in the world engages in spying..remember the Profumo case in England, involving female "escorts"..the woman also had dealings with the Russians.
Fuck you, OP, you fascist, freeper piece of shit.
You're not fit to lick Snowden's used toilet paper.
Why don't you do it? He's done enough .
I wish all libertarians would leave the US and go live in Russia.
[quote] Would you prefer he would have stayed here and been imprisoned for 35 years like Bradley Manning,
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
Daniel Ellsberg was willing to go to prison.
When he was in Hong Kong, Snowden put himself up for sale. He went to Russia because Russia offered the higher price for all they can get out of him. Sweden wasn't interested in paying for his traitoring ass. Your hero boy didn't go to a "free" country because freedom wasn't really the issue, money was.
He's doing what he should do
It's kind of cute that some people here think Snowden has more freedom in Russia, yet can't explain it.
Edward Snowden's spoo tastes like crème Chantilly, aromatised with slight lacings of vanilla.
R45: it's not like Snowden got to choose a country like he would for a vacation. This is serious business. Scandinavia? Like where they are working on trumped up rape charges to deliver Assange to the US?
I don't suppose the morons asking 'why'd he go to Russia if he cares so much about freedom' (yes, that's you r9/r14) have given any thought to the fact Snowden applied for asylum in several countries and was rejected by almost all of them (doubtless because none of them had the nerve to piss off the US). He shed light on a massive and illegal surveillance program run by our government. I wouldn't call him a hero but I think he did a huge service to the American people. Whistleblowers who provide evidence of government acting illegally should not be subjected to reprisals by that government.
It is pretty obvious that OP doesn't read any of the papers.
We're aware that no other country wants him, r55, but Snowden had planned to go to Russia from the start and had apparently booked a ticket there even before he made his great "revelations".
The fact Snowden was refused "asylum" in the countries he applied to shows what a deluded fool he is. Did he really think that Norway or Germany or Iceland or wherever he wanted to go were going to welcome him with open arms? He's broken the law in his own country and has attempted to escape the justice system. The US justice system and the charges against Snowden are not considered unreasonable by any other country and certainly not grounds to give Snowden asylum. The reason Snowden has not been granted asylum by other countries is because HE IS NOT ELIGIBLE FOR ASYLUM.
Russia has only given him asylum for one year because it likes to poke the US in the eye - but Putin himself said Snowden should shut up if he wants to stay in Russia. And it seems Snowden, the great, brave hero, has agreed to be silent.
Moreover, no government would accept one of their own citizens or employees doing what he did.
This nonsense about "American pressure" is bull. Really? Countries oppose the US on all sorts of issues all the time, even western countries - witness the opposition to US strikes against Syria, even the British parliament voted against it.
Oh, and Venezuela and Bolivia have offered him asylum. Why doesn't he go there?
[quote]It's kind of cute that some people here think Snowden has more freedom in Russia, yet can't explain it.
Deserves to be pointed out again.
"Why doesn't he go there?"
The better question is why did you come here, freeper troll?
Your rants won't affect Snowden's life or fate in the least.
Your rants won't tarnish his image, in the slightest way, in the eyes of those who respect whistleblowers.
Your rants won't lessen in any way the crimes and assorted misdeeds of our government.
I guess you're just here to stir up shit.
He took America's secrets to Russia.
The guy is a LOSER.
Great distraction strategy, r59. Except we can see right through you.
This is a thread that is critical of Snowden. Its subject heading is "The "free," self-serving cunt yet trapped cunt, Edward Snowden grocery shopping & being oblivious somewhere in Russia". I am here because I am critical of Snowden. Why the fuck are you here? To stir up shit?
If you want to be here on this explicitly anti-Snowden thread, and since you find the question why is Snowden in Russia so offensive, then at least try answering this one:
Venezuela and Bolivia offered Snowden asylum, so why doesn't he go to those countries?
If you can't answer the question then please just go away.
I don't understand why several posters have drawn a connection between exposing US abuses and the government practices of wherever he has fled.
Are you assuming that his flight is a statement that Russian surveillance practices are more ethical than US surveillance practices?
Where is this assumption coming from?
Would you expect that someone who wants to fight poverty should find the wealthiest place in the world to live?
Thank you for admitting you are just here to troll.
[quote]Venezuela and Bolivia offered Snowden asylum, so why doesn't he go to those countries?
It's not up to me to reply to your assertions. You made the claim, you back it up.
If I were to guess I'd say he doesn't have any assurance of a.) safe passage or b.) permanent asylum in either of those countries.
But I have no doubt you have links demonstrating that both countries have extended offers of safe passage and permanent asylum.
However, in the end, it doesn't really matter. The freepers won't stop whining until he's behind bars which means we're going to have to listen to their sour grapes for decades to come.
Snowden is a criminal. Period. I cannot wait for a bullet to pierce his skull and to end his miserable life.
Tick, tick, tick....
"Venezuela and Bolivia have offered him asylum"
I am not a Snowden supporter by an means, but the reason he cannot reach those countries is related to logistics. He cannot travel there via commercial flights given his lack of valid documentation, and private planes that could be hired by his supporters do not have the capacity to fly the distances required while avoiding the airspace of nations that would not allow such a flight to cross their airspace. The range of the private plane that has the longest range could possibly make it to Venezuela or nearby without refueling via the shortest feasible route, i.e., avoiding airspace of nations that wouldn't allow the flight. However, it is risky and may result in the death of all those on board.
At link, r63, where Bolivia and Venezeula offer asylum to Snowden. And Nicaragua too! Although, it's astonishingly surprising that, as a Snowden fan, you are unaware of this major fact. You're not very informed, are you? (Which is probably why you're a Snowden fan.) Interestingly, Ecuador said they would not offer Snowden asylum.
Notice that the Bolivian, Venezeualan and Nicaraguan presidents say they would offer asylum if he asks for it - meaning that Snowden didn't actually want to go to those countries. So, the only countries willing to offer him asylum are countries that even he doesn't want to go to!
Really, r65? He can go from Russia, directly over the Middle East, over Africa and easily into South America. Or he could go over Russia, over China and directly south down to Latin America.
R62, we are pointing out the hypocrisy of Snowden and his friends (Greenwald, Assange, the Guardian). Have you ever heard them protest about abuses of freedom of speech, state monitoring, or curtailments on journalistic practises in any country other than the US or UK? Do you think they are interested in bashing any country other than the US?
But, if Snowden is such a hero, then why does he find it so hard to find anywhere to offer him asylum? Why does no country want him? Perhaps it's because he isn't actually eligible for asylum: asylum is granted for when someone will be unfairly persecuted in their home country. No country in the world believes that Snowden will be unfairly persecuted in the USA and every country in the world would file charges against one of their own citizens if they had acted as Snowden has.
Snowden was so delusional: he thought he was being a great hero who was going to bring the US government crashing down and be welcomed with open arms in Norway. Norway, Iceland, wherever have absolutely no interest in having Snowden on their territory.
Snowden had such belief in his own "greatness" that he didn't even stop to think that maybe what he did was really not that significant and that no country would want him. That he wasn't able to evaluate the situation properly only underlines what an idiot he is.
Oh, and r59, you do realise that actual freepers are Snowden lovers? Like Snowden, the Ron Paul supporter, freepers hate government and think it's an enemy that is out to oppress them. Freepers want their "republic" to be "free" of the state.
At freerepublic.com they have the same opinion as you and think Snowden's a hero.
Greenwald is such a piece of shit. He encourages Snowden to commit what he actually acknowledges is legally an act of treason yet he doesn't want to do the same thing himself so he can still enter America.
Oh, and I bet Dilma Roussef, the president of Brazil, wishes Glenn Greenwald had never entered her country. Dilma has gone off on an anti-US rant, cancelled her state trip to the US, wants to build servers outside of the US and forces Google, etc. to store all their data in Brazil. Yet, even she would never offer Snowden asylum. Now Greenwald is trying to play games with them all, do trade offs and thinks he can be the puppet master pulling the strings of presidents and negotiating international agreements. What a dick!
See the article below.
Greenwald wants Brazil to give Snowden asylum - Americas - Al Jazeera English
The US journalist who broke the first stories about the US National Security Agency's (NSA) global spying programme has asked Brazilian senators to grant asylum to NSA leaker Edward Snowden.
Glenn Greenwald spoke on Wednesday to senators investigating reports about US, British and Canadian spying on Latin America's largest nation.
When the senators pushed him to provide the Brazilian government access to the leaked documents at his disposal, Greenwald balked and said there should always be strict separation between governments and journalists.
Greenwald's partner, David Miranda, also appearing before the senators, added that the documents would not be given to the Brazilian government because it would be an "act of treason" that could prevent Greenwald from ever entering the US again.
Greenwald, a journalist for the Guardian newspaper in Britain, is based in Rio de Janeiro. He previously reported in collaboration with Brazilian media that President Dilma Rousseff's communications with aides were intercepted, that the NSA hacked the computer network of state-run oil company Petrobras, and that the NSA scoops up data on billions of emails and telephone calls flowing through Brazil, which is an important hub for trans-Atlantic fibre optic cables.
He told Brazilian senators that if they really want to better understand US surveillance programmes, they should push their government to provide political asylum to Snowden, who received asylum in Russia on August 1.
Snowden's life 'difficult'
Snowden has not spoken publicly and his whereabouts remain secret.
Greenwald, who said he communicates via chat messages with Snowden several times a week, described Snowden's situation in Russia as "difficult".
Greenwald said Snowden could more freely explain the US spying programme if he were in Brazil.
Brazil's foreign ministry has said it would not respond to a previous request for asylum Snowden made to Brazil and other many other nations, meaning it was not granted but also technically not rejected.
Greenwald told the senate committee that the US government uses spying in large part to gain economic advantages.
"We now have several denunciations that show that the spy programme is not about terrorism. It is about increasing the power of the American government," Greenwald told senators, speaking in Portuguese.
"There are many nations saying, 'We're glad to be learning all this information' but almost nobody wants to protect the person responsible for letting the world discover it," Greenwald said, referring to Snowden and revelations based on the documents he leaked.
Greenwald added that if "a government is serious about defending privacy of data and freedom of the press" it would protect Snowden.
Brazilian government officials told Al Jazeera they were seeking to speak directly with Snowden via videoconference, and that they would be contacting Russian officials in that regard.
The fallout over the spy programmes led Rousseff last month to cancel a planned visit to Washington, where she was to be the guest of honor for a state dinner.
In his most recent report, Greenwald said on a Globo network television show on Sunday that Canadian spies targeted Brazil's Mines and Energy Ministry.
The report said the "metadata" of phone calls and emails from and to the Brazilian ministry were targeted by Canada's Communications Security Establishment. Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper said this week that he was "very concerned" about the allegations.
[quote]Freepers want their "republic" to be "free" of the state
We know what you want, or claim to want. You made that clear in your emphasis of the word 'free" in your thread title.
Why not go back to your fatherland, Free Republic?
You're fooling no one. We know exactly what sort of idiots have invaded DL recently. R64 was an excellent example.
We also know when you lose your minds you end up like Timothy McVeigh. Please take your psychotic paranoia elsewhere.
DL has enough nutcases. We don't need freepers in libertarian clothing adding to the mess.
Long may he live!
Dear idiot at r70, I didn't start this thread so it's not my thread title.
Oh, and the libertarian is Ron Paul supporter Edward Snowden.
It's amazing how stupid Snowden fans can be.
Where do you suggest he lives, r71? Russia? Let's see if Brazil wants him. I doubt it!
I'm glad to know what Snowden revealed. Are you?
R70 Why don't you go live in Russia?
I hear that they really love your kind there: dumb and gay. Good luck to you!
Not particularly, r73.
What is it that he actually "revealed"? Can you tell us?
It was revealed that the government can access pretty much any of my communication without my knowledge or consent, without a warrant. This is done by low level admin types who click their reasoning from a drop down menu.
And it isn't so much knowledge that was revealed as confirmation of what anyone with half a brain already knew. Still, I'm glad it's out in the open.
I also don't get these idiots who give a fuck about where Snowden is. He has no major secrets to sell and the secrets he has we're related to domestic spying. And if he did somehow have access to anything valuable, then the idiots at the NSA (and the private contractor that employed him) deserve to be blamed for their incredible idiocy for allowing some low level peon like him to have access to it.
Please join me in FFing R64. Death threats on DataLounge must never be tolerated. R64 must be removed from the system.
R77 It's a real shame that your reading comprehension level are sub-par. Did you grow up in lower income neighborhood??
There is no death threat. It is just a forecast or prediction of what happens to traitors.
It's just a matter of time...
Correction: "is" sub-par.
R76, no, that wasn't actually revealed at all. In fact, what you claim was revealed is a lie. That was the spin and bullshit spread to hype up the great Snowden/Greenwald/Assange/Guardian claims, but it is not true.
The statement "the government can access pretty much any of my communication without my knowledge or consent, without a warrant" is not true. If you think the government is accessing your own personal communication without a warrant, for which it has to have a good reason to request, then you are deluded.
The reason we are pointing out where Snowden is, is because it points out his hypocrisy and that of Greenwald, etc. Their interest is not in whether ordinary and innocent people around the world are being spied on by governments, all they care about is bashing the US. If Snowden gave a shit about mass government surveillance, he would not have arranged to go to Chinese territory and Russia.
Are we ever going to hear from Snowden, Greenwald, Assange, the Guardian, about the espionage and surveillance activities of the Russian or Chinese and other governments? Do they give a shit about them? I doubt it.