Walls became unfashionable as the means to have in-house servants diminished. Now people need "sight lines" to watch kids or participate in entertaining while multi-tasking.
The last house I owned was like that. We really enjoyed it.
My concepts are first floored.
And there is no distinction between formal rooms and informal. Everything is geared to watching the fucking TV and microwaving Jayden's dinner, preferably at the same time so we don't miss an instant of Fox And Friends.
Every DIY on reddit involves tearing down a wall. So sad.
I'm in love with craftsman houses. You're lucky to find one that hasn't been gutted for an open floor plan.
All that good oak is painted white and even the entry doors are updated to look like something out of "little house on the prairie".
[quote] Now people need "sight lines" to watch kids or participate in entertaining while multi-tasking
Exactly. Practically every "House Hunters" or "Love It or List It" has mom wanting to tear down walls so she can see the kids while she cooks, does the laundry, or works on her online business.
I think the rise of lofts as homes also fueled the trend.
No, my home is a 1922 Craftsman bungalow, so no open concept here.
My first place was open concept with a large kitchen, dining area and family room all open to each other. There also was a living room/dining room both open to each other.
Got laid off, moved and down sized to a 1945 bungalow. The place is half the size of my first house. Every room as a door on it, including the kitchen.
I prefer open concept. I don't like feeling as boxed in as I am. I've propped open the kitchen door permanently. I often think about removing it all together.I don't enjoy having people over as often because with the kitchen so removed from the living area, I feel cut off when I'm making dinner etc.
I think open concept just reflects the way we live now. Women aren't locked in the kitchen slaving over a hot stove any more.
The only upside to all my little boxed in rooms is that I can close them off if I've been lazy and not been cleaning as often as I should.
My hole is open for all oncomers
I used to live in a gorgeous,open concept home built by my ex-husband.
Upon entering the front door,you'd see a single room with a kitchen in one corner, a dining area across the counter and a TV room.
The floor was cherry wood and above, two gorgeous wood beams extended across the room.
My ex has grown to regret it. He told me that if he could re-do it,he would NOT go with the open concept.
He doesn't like it that the first thing that draws your eyes when you enter his home is a sink, a counter and kitcen appliances.
He has a point. Walls serve a purpose.
Plus,walls create mystery to a home;something that I look back to with fondness in recalling my childhood.
Why would ANYONE want to be viewed by guests when they are working in the kitchen? Mary! That only works in TV commercials.
Yes my home is open concept. I like cooking and having people over for dinner and the open concept allows me to participate in the festivities while I'm cooking.
You do realize that Joan Crawford started this whole trend of tearing down walls.
How long will it it take for granite tops to be passe?
Why people long to gaze at their refrigerators from every corner of the public area of their house or apartment is a mystery to me. (The only thing uglier are those hideous "pass-throughs" between dining room and kitchen.) And no matter how nice, how luxurious, how whisper silent your refrigerator, it's still a refrigerator. You can't ever have a nice house or apartment when your refrigerator is at one end of the same space as your (only) place to sit and relax.
I can understand that some people may want a large kitchen, that they might prefer a large, open space or series of spaces for part of their house or apartment, but living in vast, loft-like spaces is the stuff for swinging bachelor fuck pads or for single people who lead especially orderly, zen lives. (And in a small apartment, having everything in sight of everything else just seems grim, an unrelenting reminder that you can't afford better.)
It doesn't seem a dream situation for two or more people who might want to watch two TVs at the same time, or when one person wants to read or work while another watches TV, or to have a laptop wank while someone else makes dinner... It might work for someone living alone, otherwise it seems to enforce upon the inhabitants a cooing lovebird closeness, with everyone gathered watching everyone else eat, drink, sleep, watch TV, scratch their ass.
I'm not a person who entertains a lot, but who are these people whose homes exist mostly to entertain endless guests and who have to have everyone in sight at all times? The most entertaining, most-likely-to-play-host people I've known all value privacy -- and walls.
There's an exception in large places that could be viewed as a series of separate open spaces, or which have a division between open areas and a variety of defined rooms. In that situation there's variety and choice; it's more a case of an expansive variant of traditional room arrangements.
My first floor is L-shaped, so while there are no doors dividing the rooms there are some walls delineating rooms, with open doorways. You can't see into the kitchen from the living or dining rooms, but the family room does extend from it. Some sightlines are blocked though.
When we entertain, my husband tries to keep guests in the living room when I'm busy in the kitchen. I don't like having them underfoot when I'm putting the finishing touches on dinner.
I am glad my kitchen is not visible from the formal rooms. I like the more traditional setup.
R18 you sound weird. What's so offensive about a fridge? If two people are wanting to watch different tv's you have dens/offices and bedrooms they can go to. I also don't have "endless" guests but I do cook for friends and family a lot and we like to chat and gossip while I'm cooking.
I don't know anyone who uses formals any more and the ones who still have them never go into them and they seem to be very sterile and cold because it's not a real living space. Like the old ladies and their plastic covered furniture.
My sister had her main living area redone to an open concept, and while it looks nice and makes the house look much more spacious, we can never enjoy watching TV while her loud, chatty, and overbearing husband keeps talking in the kitchen or dining area. If we turn up the volume, his booming voice gets even louder and drowns out the sound. Walls provide barriers to such offenses.
remember today's fridgerator look like cabinets and not like the refrigerator
This again? So soon? Alright.
Yes, the social areas of my home are open concept, which I much prefer to closed off little boxy compartments. The kitchen is arranged so that it's not the first thing you see when you come in the front door, but is still open to the social flow so I don't feel segregated from our company while managing the business of entertaining.
I would never live in an open concept home. They're hideous.
Grew up in a house with rooms/walls. And none of this open shit at the beach. Walls! Rooms! It is what makes a house a home, to me. Could not live in a "studio." A dorm room is one thing, but looking for an apartment in the Village I was grossed out by the number of one-room affairs being called apartments. You'd enter in a kitchen! Or pass a coatrack beside a stove, have a kitchen sink at the foot of your bed, etc. My dad says it is because after WWII Levittowns went up without separate dinning rooms. Money was saved on building walls, so a table went in one corner, a sofa in another. They called it an "Open Plan" and it became the thing. Today a large open kitchen, with tables & fireplace & seating area can be fun. As long as you don't sit in a living-room area looking at it.
By the way it's pronounced ooopen plan
Back when we used to have a LOT of kids, we made them play outside.
They weren't even allowed in the house until supper.
Former dining rooms and formal living rooms are just wasted space. The footage is often more creatively used in open foor concept. My old home had a beautiful former dining room that was used maybe three times a year during formal occasions. Even at casual dinner parties, everyone gravitated towards the kitchen or backyard. Same thing with the living room. I think it's a matter of creating the space that fits in with contemporary lifestyle.
[quote]former dining room
real estate agents are vampires
The help should neither be seen nor heard.
[quote] My old home had a beautiful former dining room that was used maybe three times a year during formal occasions.
Um, that's the POINT of a formal dining room, genius.
R33, yeah genius and with the lack of area in many homes, it's wasted space, which was the point of the post.
A formal Dining room is so company doesn't have to eat in your kitchen.
"Some" people eat dinner in their dining room every night.
I would love to get a really really large studio apartment. With the kitchen just being along one wall? That'd be nice. In a high rise, floor to ceiling glass windows with a great view. I'd also like a big open bathroom, with a big shower where there's no wall or curtain or tub or shower door... it's just big enough that it doesn't matter. Kind of like some of the websites like Sean Cody have.
If I got a house, first I'd need enough money to pay folks to do any and all exterior maintenance. But if I got a house I've always thought a big open center courtyard would be awesome. With some small trees and a little natural looking fountain and pond. The fountain would look like a little rock hill and the water would run down the rocks.
I grew up in a small home, probably under 1500sqft. If I had kept my parents' house, I would have opened up the attic and the basement to make the areas liveable. As it was they were just a whole lot of wasted space.
R37 one of the houses of my childhood was an ordinary looking ranch-style but when you went through the very plain front door you entered a huge courtyard with a 200 year old oak in the center and lush landscaping. All of the rooms had French doors to the courtyard. Sadly, a few years ago I drove by and it looked abandoned and dilapidated.
Sounds nice R39. Sad about it's current state. Where is it? Maybe I should go try to get squatter's rights!
In Houston R40, city of my birth.
Sounds like many of you lack basic entertaining skills. Most of the work should be done in advance so that you dont have to leave your guests for more than 5 minutes at a time. Clean up is done after last guest leaves. Who wants to have to look at a messy kitchen and a sink full of dirty dishes during a party?
R42 proper entertaining is having cocktails first perhaps along with some pate or cheese. You don't eat right away, at least not the ones I've been to, and you can clean as you go but no one wants cold food and some dishes need to be served immediately after cooking.
Yes, the sling is right next to the breakfast nook.
Open floor allowed heat to emanate back in the old days. A fireplace was center. I like a ski lodge/log cabin floor space.
Why are 90% of real estate shows Canadian?
I didn't actually live in one, but my two aunts & cousin all had the 70s ranch house. I think it was the lack of windows. Seems like the back yards were bigger. Would love to know the area r39
I grew up in a house where my parents had taken out most of the walls on the ground floor. We were a large family, so that meant we were together all the time...no privacy.
Also, my Dad, who acted as if he was hard of hearing most of the time, could hear what you were whispering about him when you were on the other side of the house (technically two rooms away)!
You can keep your open floors! I'm all for walls and doors.
Cool pic r38
we fell in love with open concept when we all wanted to be Mary Richards
First floor? You mean my only floor?
[quote] you sound weird. What's so offensive about a fridge?
R20: There's nothing offensive about a refrigerator, and certainly nothing inoffensive about a refrigerator in a kitchen. But to sit around with friends or guests or by myself in a/the main seating area in the house, a refrigerator is not something I want to see -- nor a stove nor a wall oven nor a sink nor other kitchen appliances and fittings. There's no shame in these things, I just don't want them as focal points from 40 feet away.
A painting, a sculpture, a bookcase, a good piece of furniture, some architectural feature such as a fireplace or window with a nice view, these are good focal points. Singling out the refrigerator as symbol of a kitchen, I don't want to put mine in pride of place, first and last thing thing you see, front and center in my house anymore than I want to have my guest enter from the garage, the better to see my shiny car.
HGTV-fueled tastes aside, good architecture doesn't turn on kitchens and bathrooms (and the rest be damned.) In well-designed houses, those spaces can be striking and vital, kitchens at least can be great entertaining spaces, but refrigerators and toilets and double sinks shouldn't be in the driver's seat of home design.
The open plan a conspiracy to keep women at home and in the kitchen?
Lets hear it for split levels - you get both walls AND open space. My only walls are around the kitchen. Nothing worse than your host cleaning up while entertaining. Bitch, I came to your party to VISIT, not shout over the dishwasher/sink/garbage disposal while you're cleaning up!
Sociopathic party guest
If people "entertain" so much, why are they so against formal dining rooms?
Because a formal dining room restricts the guests. Most entertaining, you eat a little, you drink a little, you smooze a little, you watch a little of the Lakers game. You don't sit for three hours in a room with lace tablecloths.
Maybe that's how you entertain, r56, but that's not how I do it. My guests are served drinks and h'or d'oeuvres in the living room while they mingle with each other, while my husband plays host and I finalize dinner in the kitchen. When it is ready, I serve it in the dining room.
The television is located in the family room, not visible from the dining room, so guests actually focus on and interact with each other.