What's the difference between 1st cousin, once removed and second cousin?
Aren't they the same thing said a different way?
I've always been confused on this issue.
A first cousin, once removed is the son or daughter of your first cousin. The "once removed" refers to one generation removed.
A second cousin is someone whose parent is a first cousin to one of your parents; you would share the same great-grandparents. Or put another way, the children of first cousins are second cousins to each other, the grandchildren of first cousins are third cousins to each other, etc.
A first cousin is the cousin of your mother or father. R1 answered OPs next questions.
Are my brother's grandchildren my great nieces or grand nieces?
Your first cousin is the child of your uncle or aunt.
Your second cousin is the child of your first cousin
Your third cousin is the child of your second cousin
After third cousins it doesn't matter.
What is the first cousin of my parent to me?
I'm my own grandpa.
He's your first cousin, once removed.
I thought my mother or father's first cousin was MY first cousin once removed. The child of that first cousin and first cousin once removed is MY second cousin.
OP, to answer your question, yes, they're the same thing. "Once removed" is just pretentious baloney. A "third cousin twice removed" is just a fifth cousin (just add up the numeric terms).
R5, second cousin.
Just picture all the relationships in the form of a tree that expands both vertically and horizontally. The vertical kinships (whether ascending or descending) are the generational or "removed" ones (once, twice, etc). The horizontal kinships are described in terms of degrees ("first, second, third, etc.").
Thus, a second cousin twice removed is twice away from you sideways as well as either up or down, in the genealogical tree.
r3 they are termed "great nieces" even though they are your brother's grandchilren. You would be their great-aunt or great-uncle.
r4 you are incorrect. Your first cousin once removed is the child of your first cousin, your second cousin once removed is the child of your second cousin, etc. Please see post at R1.
r5 similarly the first cousin of your parent is your first cousin once removed, to you. "removed" refers to the number of generations between you.
r8 you are getting it. Correct.
R11 you are wrong.
Your first cousin is the child of your aunt or uncle.
If your first cousin has a child, that child is your second cousin.
All of this nonsense about once or twice removed is just that, nonsense. You are obviously no genealogist, sugar.
[quote]OP, to answer your question, yes, they're the same thing. "Once removed" is just pretentious baloney. A "third cousin twice removed" is just a fifth cousin (just add up the numeric terms).
Do not listen to this. It's way wrong.
Kindly fuck off r12. And stop spreading stupid and clearly incorrect information. You are incorrect.
Even after reading all of your wonderful definitions, it still confuses the hell out of me.
R12 is correct.
Let me try to help, for those still confused, by reference to the Real Housewives of New Jersey.
Teresa Giudice and Kathy Wakile are first cousins.
Rosie Pierro and Gia Giudice are first cousins once removed.
Victoria Wakile and Antonia Gorga are second cousins.
second cousin - noun: a child of your parent's cousin
removed - adjective: of a younger or older generation
Examples of REMOVED
The child of your first cousin is your first cousin once removed.
First cousins if you share a pair of grandparents. Second cousins if you share a pair of great-grandparents. Etc.
Once removed is one generation away from being the degree of cousin under discussion. Twice removed is two generations away. E.g., grandchild of a first cousin is a first cousin twice removed.
First Cousins - two individuals who have the same grandparents.
Second Cousins - two individuals who have the same great-grandparents
Third Cousins - two individuals who have the same great-great grandparents, and so on down the line...
Removed - this is a term used to describe the relationship between two "cousins" of differing generations. For example, your first cousin's child would be one generation removed from your first cousin, known as your first cousin once removed. The same is true in reverse; Your mother's first cousin would also be your first cousin once removed.
[quote]removed - adjective: of a [bold]younger or older[bold] generation
= the same damned thing
Use first, second, third, etc, whether your cousin is "younger or older."
Language evolves. Confusion is cleared. Thread is closed.
DL irritated and annoyed amateur genealogist needs to go back to school. Follow the link.
From west to east and east to west,
What's "once removed" is just a jest.
Cock of nephew, twat of niece,
let the emboldening typeface [/bold]CEASE!
First cousin: Not okay to fuck
Second cousin: Okay to fuck
[quote]DL irritated and annoyed amateur genealogist needs to go back to school. Follow the link.
No I don't. But you do.
[quote]Language evolves. Confusion is cleared. Thread is closed.
And r22 needs to learn to turn off the bold font when they are done completing a post. Thread is not closed and confusion not cleared because they keep posting wrong information.
Please see r1, r2, r7, r10, r11, r13, r18, r19, and r20 for edification.
Just call everyone a cousin. Who the fuck cares what iteration or generation they are?
"This is my cousin, Joe. Joe's son, Fred, is my cousin."
Problems solved. THE END.
You are all wrong about the "once removed" part. It is NOT just another name for a second cousin. Once removed means the SPOUSE of your cousin.
You can create a small family tree on Ancestry.com, and then make it tell you your relationship to your relatives, to see the difference between "removed" and "2nd" and so forth.
If it's not free, I think you can create an account and then cancel within a few days at no charge, if it's worth the work to you.
"Removed" refers to cousins of different generations. Your mother's brother's son is your first cousin; you and he are of the same generation because your parents are siblings. If he has a son, that son is your first cousin once removed; you are related to him through your first cousin, but he is one generation removed from you.
If you have a daughter, that daughter is your first cousin's first cousin once removed, and his son is your daughter's second cousin. They are second cousins because, unlike first cousins who share a set of grandparents, second cousins share a set of great-grandparents. Like first cousins, second cousins are of the same generation in relation to each other, but they are more distantly related than first cousins.
If your first cousin's son (your first cousin, once removed) has a daughter, that daughter (the granddaughter of your first cousin and the daughter of your first cousin once removed) is your first cousin twice removed and your daughter's second cousin once removed.
The degree of cousinhood (first, second, etc) refers to how many generations back you share the same mother/father set of ancestors. For 1st cousins, they go one generation before their parents' generation, and share the same grandparents. Second cousins go two generations beyond their parents and share a set of great-grandparents. Third cousins count back three generations before their parents and share a set of great-great grandparents.
Let's say Alex and Abby are siblings. Alex's son Bob is first cousin to Abby's daughter Betty. Betty's daughter Cathy is second cousin to Bob's son Calvin.
The removal factor modifies the relationships further. When first cousins have kids, then those kids become first cousins once removed to the first cousins of their parents.
In the examples above, Bob and Betty are first cousins and Cathy and Calvin are second cousins, but Bob and Cathy are first cousins once removed, as are Betty and Calvin.
The degree of removal refers to the difference in generations between the two cousins. Your first cousin once removed is your first cousin's child. Your second cousin twice removed is your second cousin's grandchild
So if Calvin has a son David and Cathy has a son Denise, David and Denise are third cousins to each other. Using David as an example, he is third cousin once removed to Cathy, third cousin second removed to Betty and third cousin thrice removed to Abby.
This really is not that difficult, and these terms are widely used and accepted by genealogists. Everyone arguing otherwise in this thread is either sadly mistaken or having a bit of fun.
R39, the spouse of your cousin is not a cousin. She's the spouse of your cousin. Cousins are strictly blood relatives, excepting adoptions.
[quote]This really is not that difficult, and these terms are widely used and accepted by genealogists.
Cephalgia is a term widely used and accepted by doctors.
Meanwhile, I just call it a headache.
Why do people revel in stupidity here now? When did Datalounge become anti-intellectual? This place used to have some of the smartest posters on the web.
Is it the millenials? Based on the childishness of the replies, I'm guessing yes.
The child of your first cousin, is your second cousin.
R44, what's your damage? You're wrong and you know it. Or maybe you just don't know what you're talking about? Are graphs confusing to you? Were you dropped on your head by a cousin?
[quote]Were you dropped on your head by a cousin?
No, R45, but R44's cousin is known to suck on his cockhead!
When I introduce a relative as a second, third, fourth or whatever, cousin, nobody but [bold]nobody[/bold] gives a FUCK whether or not he or she is "removed" in any fucking way any whatsofuckingever. Ever!
No the dictionary link does not disagree with r45, but reinforces what he said, moron at r48.
But then again inbreds can't read can they?
Only poor people would even begin to understand that question.
R41 = tl;dr
It's an incredibly easy concept that people seem to have a predisposition to not being able to comprehend, like homosexuality.
If you have the same parents, you are siblings. If you share grandparents, you are cousins. If you share great-grandparents, you are second cousins.
If one of you is the child of the other's cousin, you are cousins once-removed. If one of you is the grandchild of the other's third cousin, you are third cousins twice removed.
If you can't comprehend how all this works, you are probably dealing with issues like you are the second cousin twice removed of your sibling. You probably live in the south, where your mom is your dad's first-cousin-wife.
I've never cared. My cousins are my cousins. The end.
R47, are you getting help for your mental disorder?
Are you getting help for that stick in your ass?
You are here.
Your mother has a cousin named Sylvia. Sylvia is your second cousin.
Your mother has a brother named Bob. Bob's your uncle. Bob has a son named Dick. Dick's your first cousin and possibly your first frottage.
Dick married a girl named Heather and they are blessed with a son, whom they named Liam. Liam is your first cousin once removed. When Liam has children, his children will be your first cousins twice removed. They are your uncle Bob's great grandchildren and you will only meet them when he dies.
Sylvia's son, a doctor named Jack is your moms first cousin once removed, but your third cousin. You and Jack are free to marry. If you and Jack have a child together, you will be both father and forth cousin to that kid and a medical miracle.
None of this is true and only some of it is correct. You now have a template to follow and the memories of Dick and a future of Jack.
[quote]If your first cousin has a child, that child is your second cousin.
Nope. That child is your first cousin, once removed.
Read the link. Or look at the diagrams.
[quote]Your second cousin is the child of your first cousin
No. That child is your first cousin, once removed. If you have a child, the two children will be second cousins.
So what am I to the little toe-head nelly 8 year old named Gregory who is the son of my mother's cousin?
And what kind of cousin is Anna to me?
You aunt's child is your first cousin.
Your first cousin's child is your second cousin.
Your second cousin's child is your third cousin.
Anything after third cousin doesn't really matter. Please ignore the other posts on this thread and ignore the once removed crap. It is meaningless in the modern era.
But Anna is my mother's cousin so what is Anna to me? Second cousin?
Her son is the little queen, Gregory. Does he become my third cousin?