Just 1.5% of Britons say they are gay or bisexual
The Office for National Statistics figures, described as experimental, were produced from questions on sexual identity included in the large-scale Integrated Household Survey. Nearly 170,000 people answered questions on their sexuality.
The self-acknowledged gay population, according to the estimates, is the same as last year and slightly up on numbers produced by similar surveys in 2010.
According to the findings, 1.5 per cent of men say they are gay and 0.7 per cent of women identify themselves as lesbian.
For gay people, it might actually be true there is just one "soul-mate" for them...
Or in my case, zero (I think my soul mate died in the AIDS scourge of the late 80s).
Statistical fraud. Everyone knows 60% of Britons are homosexual. They must have used American terminology in the survey.
[quote]For gay people, it might actually be true there is just one "soul-mate" for them...
Not true. I have a feeling these same individuals would be just as alone if they were straight.
The whole "soul mate" thing is bullshit.
Well, there certainly are a lot fewer opportunities to meet someone compatible, and a far smaller pool of potentially compatible mates.
I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be alone if I were straight. I've had tons of nice women hit on me in my life. VERY few men. And the few that have, have been completely wrong for me... mostly hitting on me out of desperation I think (i.e. they'll hit on anyone to try and find someone to make a connection with).
On the Kinsey scale of 0-6, I go up to 11, so there's simply no consideration of me ever accepting any of the female's offers or attempts. But apparently I'm not at all what any gay guy is looking for, and I have yet to find a gay guy that is someone I feel I connect with who is also single (the few good ones seem to all be taken already).
I am gay and alone because I choose to be. I can't stand my fellow gays. Most are vain, narcissistic and I can't trust them because they've lied to me. No, seriously. The lying aspect is an issue with me. It shows shallow behavior. No, I'd rather grow old with my cats and watch reruns of Steve Wilkos show on DVR than interact with fellow gay men. It's safe that way. And I'm not out any money.
Thanks for caring.
The issue seems to be that most same-sex oriented people do not want to identify as gay or bisexual. A large percentage of same-sex oriented people make the religious, moral, or social decision to live as heterosexual. Another large chunk decides that although they may engage in secret same-sex behavior occasionally, they do not want to commit to relationships with the same sex or anything that would associate them with gay or bisexual identity. Surveys have found that a large percentage of people who engage in same-sex activity identify as heterosexual. Such people are very unlikely to seek relationships with the same sex.
[quote]Well, there certainly are a lot fewer opportunities to meet someone compatible, and a far smaller pool of potentially compatible mates.
Again, not true. Fug don't want fug, regardless of you are gay or straight, or have money. I see single, fat straight women all over. I see single, fat straight men all over. Look at dating web sites for example, those sites are made for gay or straight people who could never meet somebody in real-life because of all kinds of reasons or problems: physical, emotional, etc. And, I get assure you, a majority of them are still alone and still very single, and will remain so. So, straight isn't so much fun either. I see more miserable straight people anyways than gay people, and I know more gay people than straight people.
And, 1.5% are the courageous gay people who are honest...there is a much larger percentage of liars and cowards in the gay community who are closeted.
Sorry, you know that 10% figure? I was really just pulling it out of my ass.
A lot of gay men are repulsed by one another, erotically and relationally speaking. It is sad but true. They want the hot straight guy or they want the mythical buff 25 year old or that other elusive-in-real-life Perfect Man. Even though they, themselves, are not at all Perfect or 25 and Buff, etc.
I recall from my years living in Boston, the town was full of intelligent, reasonably attractive, seemingly personable single gay men who claimed they were looking for a relationship, but found flaws in each of the other single gay men that came into his orbit.
r8, do you think the gay community (using that term loosely) has a much higher statistical percentage of liars and cowards than the straight segment of the population does?
Why is it that surveys in the UK and Western Europe consistently show that a much smaller percentage of people there identify as LGBT than in the United States? Last year, similar US surveys found that 3 to 4 percent of Americans identify as LGBT. Even Latin Americans surveys show higher LGBT identity there than in the UK and Western Europe.
R11, why use the term "community" loosely? Are you repulsed by gay men, like R10 describes?
I think there are more close-cases than openly gay people. Would that translate to more liars and cowards than the straight community? I have no idea. But, being in the closet doesn't demonstrate good character.
I am not repulsed by gay men, r13, but I have to say that a lot of gay men seem to be repulsed by their fellows!
r13, some people are consciously lying about their sexual orientation. But a huge number of same-sex people are sincere in saying they are not LGBT because they have not engaged in ongoing same-sex behavior; have chosen to live a heterosexual lifestyle; think homosexual activity is sinful or immoral; or think that they are not part of the gay community or gay stereotypes. Many are in denial, others just live heterosexual lives and deny their same-sex interest.
And openly and unapologetically gay men are often viewed as the most repulsive of all, whereas closeted, downlow, married (to women), and bisexual men are often exalted as the most desirable M4M.
[quote]Again, not true.
R8, you are utterly delusional. I can't believe you're claiming that isn't true, when it so obviously is.
You're saying to me that a gay man has the exact same size, or larger, pool of potential compatible mates as a straight man?
You're a fucking moron if you believe that. That is completely unsupportable, unjustifiable, and so blatantly and obviously wrong I can't imagine what even prompted you to assert such utter ridiculousness.
You're a fucking idiot. Stop posting.
Reuters/Ipsos poll in March: When people responding to the poll were asked to describe themselves, 93 percent said heterosexual/straight; 3 percent said gay/lesbian; 3 percent said bisexual; and 2 percent said other.
LGBT Percentage Highest in D.C., Lowest in North Dakota
All states are within two percentage points of the overall national average of 3.5%
by Gary J. Gates and Frank Newport
PRINCETON, NJ -- The percentage of U.S. adults who identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender (LGBT) ranges from 1.7% in North Dakota to 5.1% in Hawaii and 10% in the District of Columbia, according to Gallup surveys conducted from June-December 2012. Residents in the District of Columbia were most likely to identify as LGBT (10%). Among states, the highest percentage was in Hawaii (5.1%) and the lowest in North Dakota (1.7%), but all states are within two percentage points of the nationwide average of 3.5%.
R18, I agree with everything that you said. That poster is a fool.
I've often had the "statistically, the odds are against me" conversation with my friends quite a few times. It's fucking depressing.
[quote]You're saying to me that a gay man has the exact same size, or larger, pool of potential compatible mates as a straight man?
Gay men who complain about the dating pool in the gay community would be complaining about the dating pool if they were straight.
[quote]You're a fucking moron if you believe that. That is completely unsupportable, unjustifiable, and so blatantly and obviously wrong I can't imagine what even prompted you to assert such utter ridiculousness. You're a fucking idiot. Stop posting.
[quote]And openly and unapologetically gay men are often viewed as the most repulsive of all, whereas closeted, downlow, married (to women), and bisexual men are often exalted as the most desirable M4M.
Very true. Internalized homophobia also contributes to gays being alone...if it not being the leading reason.
If people would stop settling for fleeting, loveless sex, perhaps they would foster a culture that values monogamy, commitment, strong beliefs, family-building, and permanence.
Fuck this is obvious. The survey was in Britain, most of which have foreskins. Therefore, they are alone.
[quote]Gay men who complain about the dating pool in the gay community would be complaining about the dating pool if they were straight.
That's a rather bold, blanket, and unfounded statement... which also utterly fails to negate the fact that the potential dating pool for gay men is far smaller than for straight men.
R25, you're a moron. F&F for you.
R27, you are a shmegma covered idiot. F&F for you
How about we show some love for all penii and get back to the topic.
Mother o 'God, I swear, you people...
Being gay is shameful apparently
Liza @ R28 is militantly pro-circ. Who knew?
r8 is so right. Only pretty thin people have partners.
Straight Vs. Gay Dating Scene
A straight man enters a room of 100 random women, and the winnowing process begins: 2 are lesbians, some are too old or too young, some don't appeal to him, and some that do appeal to him don't find him appealing. At least he gets to start with 98.
A gay man enters a room of 100 random men, and already 98 are out of the dating pool (although some may be in the fuck-buddy pool).
Of the 2 gay men who are left, the gay guy STILL has to be through the same elimination process that the straight guy just did. But with two people. Two.
That's why gay spaces where like-minded gays congregate are so important. But pity the rural and small-town gays. It's a numbers game, and it's brutal.
Oh, but you are alone. Who knows what you have spoken to the darkness, alone, in the bitter watches of the night, when all your life seems to shrink, the walls of your bower closing in about you, a hutch to trammel some wild thing in? So fair, yet so cold like a morning of pale spring still clinging to winter's chill.
As other point out, these polls pretty much measure the number of openly LBG people. No one can measure the number of closeted or same-sex oriented people who otherwise don't view themselves as LGB.
[quote] Just 1.5% of Britons say they are gay or bisexual
No, NOT 1.5% of Briton didn't say that. 1.5% of the people in this survey said that. Those are two totally different things
But it can't be denied that multiple surveys with close to identical results state a significant statistical case, r36.
true the study measures public self-identity, which is of some utility.
Surveys show that more people self-identity in the US LGB than in the UK and Western Europe. I think Americans are more at ease with individual identities that are not mainstream than the British and many Western Europeans. Americans are more okay being at odds with the norms, sticking out, and being part of a separate subidentity. That is the only way for me to explain the higher self-identity numbers in the U.S.
Jeez, I thought Anderson Cooper coming out was supposed to change everything.
You are possibly right, R39, even though I think that a much larger population contingent and less diversified cultural landscapes do contribute to the higher incidence of self-identified LGB people in the US.
Also, Europe isn't as friendly a place as many people like to think, and prejudice is very much prevalent against gay people. Unless you are far removed from certain stereotypes, you will be a target for insidious discrimination and hatred. Equally, many LGB people are unbelievably uncomfortable with identifying as such in the UK, where covert homophobia is very much prevalent.
R34 is creepy.
Being gay is a curse
These polls are a) old; or b) faked; and come with a conservative political agenda attached. No real poll has ever found gay numbers so low. Not any poll. Not in any country. Not anywhere.
These conservatives with their fake polls piss you on tell you it's raining and you fall for it every time. What's wrong with you people? You know perfectly well from your own experience that this isn't true. Think of your gang in high school and college.
Who cares if it's 1% or 50%, or if I'm the only gay on the planet. I'm entitled to the same human rights as anyone else.
[quote]Who cares if it's 1% or 50%, or if I'm the only gay on the planet. I'm entitled to the same human rights as anyone else.
The UK isn't a Republic, so no, you don't in every country. Majority rule.
Compression problems much, R47? I said HUMAN RIGHTS, not UK rights.
A child in Chile, Africa or the North Pole have the same human rights. Whether they have access to them is another story.
Let that sink in, please.
Jews are approximately 2.2% of the US population, and because they are so miniscule, they wield no political power. Politicians always ignore their views and demands, and they have no power in the media, communications, business, or culture. Because they are only 2.2%.
Oh, God, I feel SO Alone!
And if you have a type you're screwed. It seems that the people who are always in relationships are the gays who don't have a specific type.
R51, I think you're right. I have a friend who is fat and looks like a bloated frog yet he is always hooking up. Yes, he's a slut, but I would think people would be repulsed by his looks. Yet, some of the guys he hooks up with are quite good looking.
Don't believe it R51. Get out there, there are people for you.
It's our lesbian sistren who usually have more trouble finding compatible mates, but that doesn't stop them from trying, does it?
there are many more closeted dudes than open dudes
I went to an all boys school and if this is true my class in sixth form had 6 times the national average of gays. And that's just the ones I'm aware of.
don't believe the statistics - unless you were personally involved in the survey, you have no way of knowing these stats are true. That said - when the government doesn't take the lifestyle seriously and acknowledge gay relationships, it's hard for gays to take their own relationships seriously.
R54, not true
We like to think we’re a progressive society that is accepting of all sexual orientations, but the latest survey shows anti-gay sentiment is higher than we think, and current methods for assessing attitudes about sexuality are not as accurate as they should be.
In a study published in the National Bureau of Economic Research, scientists found that current methods may not accurately capture both the size of the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) population as well as attitudes toward them.
Overall, it’s hard to measure sexual orientation and opinions about sexual orientation because of persistent biases toward more socially acceptable responses. Researchers have found this trend even in computer-generated surveys where responses are anonymous.
(MORE: New Insight into the (Epi)Genetic Roots of Homosexuality)
So a team from Ohio State University and Boston University compared these survey techniques to another strategy that provided even more privacy and anonymity to participants, by guaranteeing that even the researchers could not connect the volunteers to their answers. Among the 2,516 U.S. volunteers who were randomly assigned to answer questions about their sexuality using one or the other survey method, those taking the more veiled survey were 65% more likely to report a non-heterosexual identity themselves and 59% more likely to report having a same-sex sexual experience than those using the standard survey technique.
The veiled method also revealed more people with anti-gay sentiment than among those taking the other type of survey. The participants were 67% more likely to disapprove of an openly gay manager at work and 71% more likely to admit that it was acceptable to discriminate against people who are lesbians, gay or bisexual.
“Comparing the two methods shows sexuality-related questions receive biased responses even under current best practices, and, for many questions, the bias is substantial,” the authors write.
Did the enhanced anonymity lead to more truthful responses? The researchers aren’t sure, but previous studies revealed that when responses are blinded, people do tend to express attitudes and opinions that are more raw and closer to their true beliefs. The scientists also can’t explain why those who were questioned under the more veiled technique were more likely to admit to both non-heterosexual orientation or experiences as well as more bias against them. While they suspect the two trends are independent of each other, it’s possible that the results also reveal something deeper about sexuality and social acceptance — or lack thereof — of LGBT identities.
[quote]These polls are a) old; or b) faked; and come with a conservative political agenda attached. No real poll has ever found gay numbers so low. Not any poll. Not in any country. Not anywhere
Totally agree. It's bullshit and it's political. And the further publicizing of the bullshit is political. Same with how they always, always say the numbers are lower at demonstrations (any progressive demonstration/march).
Every time I see this thread I have a moral dilemma: do I encourage the stupid hottie I have a crush on to believe it so he will settle for me; or do I stand up strong and proud because it's an obvious fake.