Can anyone help me figure him out?
(he can't POSSIBLY be enjoying his job right now, right??!!
I get that if he does "the right thing" and puts the clean CR bill to a vote to get the government funded, he would likely be ousted as Speaker, and then maybe lose his seat altogether.
But he will make more money being a lobbyist or a pundit, and he's had a long run, so why NOT go for it?
Congressmen can make way more than the salaried $175,000, especially the ones at the top like Boehner.
With all the lobbyist slush funds floating around Washington, it's pretty naive to think that the Congressmen aren't lining their pockets under the table.
okay, be that as it may, he will be able to make a FINE living POST congress. whether that's as a pundit, or an endowed professor, or a high paid lobbyist.
I STILL don't get why remaining speaker is the MOST important thing to him in the world.
Drunks hate change, OP.
This gig worked in the past and he'll work it far past the point of it not working anymore.
It is not power that corrupts but fear. Fear of losing power corrupts those who wield it and fear of the scourge of power corrupts those who are subject to it.
Aung San Suu Kyi
He's an alcoholic and incapable of reacting well to a challenge. It's the perpetual hangover that makes him such an insufferable asswipe.
The bigger news is the longer the government is unfunded the easier it is to see how OVER-funded it is and we don't need all those workers.
Any law that refunds the government should say simply that 50% of all workers should not return to their jobs within one month. Then all departments must prove all those workers are absolutely necessary to have them return to the position. AND absolutely necessary to pay them the same salary.
They couldn't do that. But of course the government bloat continues
Of course you AIDS infested homos are more interested in getting welfare, SSD, food stamps and handouts than ever taking responsibility for yourself or your actions, thus nothing will be done.
How do I know? Because AIDS is 100% preventable, if you were responsible you wouldn't have the infestation now.
You're as awful as the teabaggers R6, or perhaps you are one.
R6, you had me up until the moronic AIDS comments. Your ilk are just as bad as the rabid "progressives." You are so brainwashed by one view that you gladly eat whatever your party lead tells you.
[quote]With all the lobbyist slush funds floating around Washington, it's pretty naive to think that the Congressmen aren't lining their pockets under the table.
They don't need to be paid under the table to make millions. Congressman are exempt from insider trading laws, so they use all the confidential information they have to play the stock market.
Is Boehner ever sober? I mean he looks smashed half the time and listening to him on the radio, I keep hearing him slur his words.
I do think the government is bloated and employs too many people...
Let's start with the NSA, Dept of Homeland Security, the CIA, the military which these days is just a big socialist jobs program, the huge Congressional staffs that just pass around the same press releases all day...
no, r6. just, no.
ff for R6
R6 is a right-winger just trying to derail the thread topic.
Boehner? He's in over his head. Worst House Speaker ever.
...so why not step down after doing something "brave"?
OP Well answer this question: In order to avoid the shutdown, why doesn't Reid work on a compromise with the Republicans? He would likely be ousted as House Majority Leader, and then maybe lose his seat altogether.
But he will make more money being a lobbyist or a pundit, and he's had a long run, so why NOT go for it?
Now you have your answer.
no, r16. And you need to give back any money you've been paid to post idiotic rightwing drivel like that. Talk about lame! Wow.
Stuff your false equivalency up your ass, R16.
On the topic of Boehner, he's a coward with no true moral integrity.
R8 - R6 "had you" up until the moronic aids comment? And the rest wasn't moronic?
One of my coworkers has a colleague in Ohio, who was in school with Boehner. Her sister was in his class. The colleague told my coworker that Boehner is dumb as a box of rocks. Let's face it, we all knew who the dumb kids were in our class growing up. She can't believe he's risen to this position.
Government bloat is easy to rail against but the fact is that Government bloat creates jobs all over the US. It's what they call pork. It's fine by me if the projects are good and warranted. Everyone wants the Government cut until it's in their backyard, that's why we never cut Government. I am pro-Government for the most part except for the so called Military Industrial Disaster complex. That is a huge waste of taxpayer $$. Military bases all over the US and the globe. All these so called fiscally responsible people secretly love Government largess.
[quote] Boehner is dumb as a box of rocks.
Or a box of charcoal briquettes...
From what I read, he hates his job right now but he knows he's going to have to put together a deal on the debt ceiling that will essentially involve a few centrist, sensible Republicans and the Democrats. Politically, he figures he can possibly survive one such vote... but to do the same thing on the shut down would be fatal.
He's not a Tea Partier, but he's either given in to them or doesn't know what to do about them, both of which are probably worse than actually being a Tea Partier.
If there are many centrist Republicans in the party now would be the time to take the Tea Party on and so infuriate them they walk from the Republican Party. Purge the poison. Won't happen but I predict whatever it is called the remnants of the Republican party will be a slow painful rot for everybody not a big implosion.
Yeah the polls say the majority blame the Republicans for this mess... yet they keep voting for them.
There's nothing to blame here, really, except democracy. You get what you vote for and just enough morons keep voting for this.
***makes 'drinky, drinky' gesture***
Now, Iris at R26, he can't help it! The rotgut Scotch is just too tempting!
this guy always looks shitfaced drunk and can barely stand in front of a microphone--he's george w. bush all over again without the bogus texas drawl. just check out the glazed eyes.
Being around all those drunks as a child you just know he was molested. And probably beaten by his drunk dad.
[quote]In order to avoid the shutdown, why doesn't Reid work on a compromise with the Republicans?
All the compromises on both sides are already reflected in the current law, passed in 2010.
And isn't the current law basically the compromise between the old health-care system and nationalized health care?
He's an embarrassment to Scorpios, I know that much.
R30 gets it. The narrative that the Democrats are "unwilling to compromise" is complete and utter bullshit now that the ACA is the law of the land. The time to compromise was years ago. The Republicans would have been better served running with a narrative that said they asserted themselves to prevent true "socialized medicine" and kept the framework of private healthcare largely intact by pushing for the ACA (which was essentially their idea in the first place). Their current path is a suicide mission. I for one can't wait to watch them crash and burn.
[quote]Yeah the polls say the majority blame the Republicans for this mess... yet they keep voting for them.
As the nation has become more polarized, the sides have literally moved to wherever they feel more comfortable. Liberals tend towards cities and the coasts, which is used against us by the teatards who inhabit, mostly, flyover country. That more people live in my neighborhood than in half of Montana, Idaho, or Arizona yet shares a Representative with vastly more people means that my vote and my politics count for far less than a rancher or farmer in the middle of nowhere.
All the corporatists like the Koch brothers had to do was inculcate themselves on these sparsely populated areas to receive outsized influence. And they've aligned themselves closely enough with these teatards that they can convince the teatards that they should be against welfare when its given to the inner city single mother, but love it when its handed out to corporate farms, and against investments in education but for massive tax cuts for the most profitable industry in the history of the planet, and against common sense reform of drug laws while for medical tort reform. In other words, up is down. And how do they do it? Appealing to religious bigotry, hatred and intolerance. And oh yeah, that black guy in the White House.
We vastly outnumber the teatards. We outnumber Republicans and conservatives in general. We just have to convince our folks, especially those who live in flyover land, to get out and vote. We've held both houses of Congress in the past, and we can do it again. We cannot let what happened in 2010 happen in 2014 (or ever again, for that matter).
And we absolutely must hold Obama's feet to the fire, and push him leftward. We only get him to act like a Democrat when we force him to, as we saw with Syria. And so far, he's been speaking more forcefully regarding the CR and debt ceiling than he ever has on any other topic.
The time for compromise is over. They have demanded, and we have compromied, on cuts so deep that our economic growth has been less than half of what it should be. They have gerry rigged the system to the point that 95% of the gains in the economy have gone to the top 1%. The teatards and their Republican enablers have squeezed ever last dime from the budget that we can let them -- if we ever hope to recover from the 2008 Bush economic collapse. They are intent on slashing Social Security and Medicare; we know they won't stop there if we let them get away with it.
More on point, John Boehner sees the conundrum he's in. He knows that his speakership is in its final moments. He knows that breaching the debt ceiling will cause the worldwide economy to spiral into recession, and possibly depression; while on the other side, he has a radical faction that is ready to remove him when he next compromises with Democrats and Obama. That's why he's out there asking for time, telling the teatards that they'll be pleased if they just give him time. The CR is a mere blip in time compared to the debt ceiling. Now, his decision has to be either lose the fight over the CR, lost his job and watch the teatards take us over the real fiscal cliff that the debt ceiling breach would cause, or lose the fight over the debt ceiling, save the economy, and then lose his job. Either way, he's going to lose his job, but at least if he saves the economy, he can save his reputation in history. And eventually make a ton of money working on K Street.
R6 has not seen his penis since the spring of 1962.
R6 shows that the creepy-crawlers are out early tonight on the DL
Well said, r34.
If Boner weren't such a self-serving asshole and had a shred of decency, he'd tell the teabaggers to fuck themselves and maybe at least have a little credibility with the majority rethugs. But he can't even bear to do that.
He's a fucking coward.
Do you think he drinks in the morning?
While he golfs, yes
R6 is one of those weird homophobes who, for some weird reason, likes hanging around gay boards and having exchanges with the gay. You just have to pity them.
No you don't. I am fine just hating them/
"I think John Boehner is frustrated by leading the Republicans in the House but I think he very much loves being speaker. To understand him you have to understand that. He gets to the Capitol early. He relishes the job and the position but he doesn’t relish being at odds so often with his members. He loves being a major American political figure, but he’s not a Newt Gingrich-like figure trying to lead the party in a certain direction. He’s just trying to survive and enjoy it while it lasts."
The problem as it stands right now, is that because of the rigged, gerrymandered system, we'll have these reactionary cretins to deal with for years, unless we do serious grassroots organizing and make some "converts" in their individual districts.
Voter turnout is critical next year. otherwise we'll face the same fate we faced in 2012. We will keep electing Democratic Presidents who are fairly progressive, and keep re-electing reactionary dumbasses in the House.
We also need to look at our state offices. To have 36 states opting out of ACA and Medicaid and experiencing the deplorable lack of services in those states, poor schools, etc. is a disgrace. We need to clean house.
State legislatures, Governors, Secretaries of State, Attorney Generals, state supreme court systems, State boards of education and the boards of regents and trustees of state universities. The extremists are like some virus. They have infiltrated everything.
The re-districting of Congressional and Legislative districts comes every ten years after the census. It's our state legislatures that re-draw the districts with the oversight of the state courts. It's the Secretaries of State who oversee elections.
We'll have to live with this situation in Congress and in the state houses for the rest of this decade, if we don't tear it down now.
Right now, as far as the House of Representatives go, we need at least 18 more seats. At least. We ought to be able to find 18 votes right now to end this thing. The reason nothing is happening, is Boehner's fault. Period.
All he has to do is bring it to an up and down vote on a continuing resolution to fund the government. But he is using a procedural trick to stop everything.
Some members of his own party are prepared to vote on a Continuing Resolution, which will simply keep funding the government at it's current levels until they can negotiate a budget.
Presidents have governed, and the government has functioned on continuing resolutions before, going back to the 70's that I can recall.
Boehner is scared of Cantor and his cabal. Tey are the absolute worst. If he caves in Cantor will run him out. The real power in the House belongs to Cantor. Ryan is another one, but Eric Cantor is the whip hand. He has his foot up Boehner's ass big time. It's scary isn't it. The Speaker of the House is next in line, after the Vice President, for succession.
He's very orange.
He is at the mercy of 80 congressmen. These 80 are all republicans from districts that are overwhelmingly white and under educated, the base of thier constitutents. These districts have been carved out to ensure that a republican will always win. These 80 seats are the ones who wrote a letter to Boehner and demaded the government be shut down. They are the reason congress is at a stand still when it comes to passing laws. Even if there is huge fallout for the republican party these 80 are protected. They are literally assured they will win their districts.
White, and under educated is obviously, a dangerous combination.
I KNOW he is scared of those 80.
I KNOW he is scared of Cruz and Cantor.
I KNOW that if he allows the clean CR to go up for a vote he will probably lose his Speakership.
But at this point the die is cast. He has to take his lumps. If he loses his position as speaker, oh well. He will make BUTTLOADs of money after his House years are over, and he could end his career on a high note -- pretending like he is doing it for principled, moral reasons....
I do not understand his reluctance to do what he will eventually have to do anyway.
I agree with you R48. I'm also not that damned convinced his Ohio seat is so safe. I think Cantor, Boehner and Ryan can be pushed. Bottom line is someone needs to offer Boehner a deal.
We saw a number of Republicans in the Senate (or maybe the House?) leave in the middle of their terms, after Obama got re-elected last year, because they were offered sweet lucrative deals to join think tanks or lobbying firms.
Someone needs to offer Boehner a fucking job assuring him that he'll make millions. Who ever is governor in Ohio needs to tell him to take the fucking job and put his seat in play.
Other than that, since Boehner has backed himself into this corner, someone on the other side is going to have to make some face saving, well publicized gesture to allow Boehner to give in with out looking like he's giving in.
Right now, it's all about saving face. That's what's taking so long. Trying to figure out how to pry Boehner out of the corner. I was really surprised at Obama kicking his ass so publically the other day. I was glad. But it also hardened the Speaker's position. That's why he's intransigent. The Dems ought to really analyze this strategy. These ignorant assholes have brass balls.
You are right, r50. It's a "for the good of the country" point. Some huge donor, on either side of the aisle, needs to throw HUGE money at him
What an ass.
Profiting ever more on OUR backs.
Exactly, he's a typical pos republican that puts personal gain ahead of what is best for the country.
Right now Boehner is feeling like the king in a very long and rancorous chess game. All defenses have been tried, no one can improve your position, you can't move anywhere safe. The inevitable awaits. Shah maht.
R53, if the fucking Grand Bargain cuts Social Security and Medicare, which Obama might just agree to, I will personally go to Washington D.C. and kick some asses. Because my mother can barely make it right now, and I can't afford to supplement her income.
She's 68 with a chronic health condition. She takes good care of herself, but she is not a candidate for going back to work, and she has simple enough pleasures.
She goes out to eat with her friends two or three times a month, she plays bingo once a week, she goes on outings with her senior citizen group at church, and she plays cards with her neighbors. Bridge. No betting. She lives a simple life, not an extravagant one.
R57, you have nailed it. Obama won't cut his baby the ACA because of the deals he made with the insurance and big drug companies that in turn will line his pockets for the rest of his life. Obama can't wait to offer up SS as he has been gunning for it from day one.. He will also offer up Medicare, parts of Medicaid and food stamps on a silver platter. Obama has no use for the poor. He will not even mention them or poverty. He'll BS about the middle class over and over again because he and most other Democrats as well as all Republicans think the poor won't vote and for sure won't donate.
FDR, LBJ, they cared about the poor. They were the president for all. Obama is for WS and the bankers and will throw a few crumbs to the middle class. Crumbs are too good for the poor, like those who live only on SS. When they get an increase of 10 bucks a month every other year or ever two years oh that is way too much for them. No, Obama will never leave office until he puts Chained CPI and cuts to everything else in place and WS will be lining his pockets too.
The time to act isn't after it happens. The time is now. Contact your reps and get everyone you know to do the same and make sure they know people like your mom count.
I completely agree R58. I support Obama when he does good things, and I am glad he's our President, especially when you consider the alternatives, but I am not a fool, and when he gets it wrong, I have no problem saying so.
I hope people will make sure they notify their reps. It is critical that as a country, we don't suffer any more cuts to programs for economically distressed people. The fact is, these people, do not disappear. They are going to be here.
So, when the Federal government cuts programs, or when the state cuts programs, or denies them to people like Food Stamps, Medicaid, unemployment benefits, etc. Those people are going to still be around and still need help.
It is just a myth that the government sells us that they are cutting costs or taxes. People still need services. Cutting taxes and programs doesn't improve life for anyone.The real truth is someone always pays. They have played this game of getting people mad at one another while the 1% rob us blind.
...the longer this goes on, the more blustery and defiant boehner gets, which makes NO sense at this point.
so i again wonder if the Koch bros & the tea party minority is literally blackmailing him.
I suppose it's possible he's secretly gay. and so afraid of that being revealed that he would go to these lengths.... but maybe it's something bigger, worse in his mind?
Boehner's bluster is very predictable. My alcoholic father was like that. The more he felt backed in a corner, the more pressure he was put under, the more belligerent and nasty he got. He was perfectly capable of cutting off his nose to spite his face. Irrational, illogical, yes, but he felt the power of saying "No!" Sometimes, saying no is all a person has.
In Boehner's case, it wouldn't surprise me if the Koch brothers were offering him something big to hold the line. The problem is his constituents need to feel like they no longer can trust him, and that he is hurting them.
Problem is, the biggest way for him to lose their trust is if he makes a deal with Obama.
The fact that his intransigence is hurting his district in terms of government programs he can blame Obama.
I know the governor has to be pissed about all the money Ohio is losing. Boehner needs some bigshot Republicans in Ohio to put their foot up his ass. People he usually counts on.
Oh right, instead of being blackmailed he could be being bought and bribed with $$$$$ Koch money. I forgot about that angle.
What a numbnut this guys is. His new message tack to Obama: "We want you to the table to discuss the deficit." Now it's the deficit. The deficit has been slowly going down as our economy slowly recovers.
He really is a tool of the highest order.
And so orange.
And angry outbursty.
(does he have any children? how about his wife. what's her story?)
oh dear lord. his wife pings like crazy.
[quote]Of course you AIDS infested homos are more interested in getting welfare, SSD, food stamps and handouts than ever taking responsibility for yourself or your actions, thus nothing will be done
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