- I now declare this thread... PIPPIN!
- NOBODY wants to see my nudies after that disgusting Cheyenne debacle.
- R2 Oh, I don't know about that, Michael.
- Now, getting back to Amanda's Act II costume...
- Tissue faille?
- Yeh, R5. If only this was a drinking game.
- BRIDGES is not a bore by any means. Especially if they trim a couple of numbers.
- After seeing scrumptious Jeremy Northam in the film of WINSLOW BOY (granted that was 1999), Roger Rees is a cold substitute.
At least we don't have to put with Rebecca Pidgeon as Catherine this time.
- Jeremy Northam is a homophobe!
- Jeremy Northam sucks the best cock EVAH.
- What would Jeremy Northam look like in Cherry's ct 3 Glass Menagerie sparkling and crisp lace dress? Now that's one to consider if we can't have Michael Arden's pix!
- Did anyone see Seth Rudetsky's DISASTER! the first time around?
- Any profit Annie made while Jane was in it has been wiped clean. Bad fall....at least 6 shows are in deep trouble. Open theaters mean....a Gypsy revival! Faith will be available sooner than she thinks.
- Any deep discounts for Elaine's Three Tall Women production? Look for it to fill the Neil Simon after the late November collapse of Smelly Fish.
- I'm gonna live to regret this. Empty theaters mean a FOLLIES revival. Or Megan Hilty in the Marilyn Monroe musical from SMASH, which still hasn't got a book, although Deb's around!
- Empty theaters mean LISA LAMPANELLI in FAT PIG.
- Jeremy Jordan to appear with The Skivvies at 54 Below.
Will he stuff?
Will he fluff?
- Will he shake his package at the guy Skivvy like Wesley Taylor did?
- Bet Jeremy keeps the music stand in front of his junk at all times. He's about as shy with his stuff as Will Swenson.
- I'm not shy with my junk.
- Empty theatres? Rebecca's available if you give us a deep, deep discount on rent!
- [quote]There should not be another Broadway revival of Gypsy for at least ten years.
Ten decades would be better.
- Speaking of Will Swenson, I noticed with that Karen Olivo tweet that they're cheerily tweeting one another. Was that one-sided romance a complete fabrication?
- El oh El at the GYPSY hate. It's not like it's ever run that long.
- Gypsy should just run forever at New World Stages. Or Diane Paulus should reimagine it.
- "Bet Jeremy keeps the music stand in front of his junk at all times. He's about as shy with his stuff as Will Swenson."
What are you basing this on, r19?
He did the Johny Galecki role in THE LITTLE DOG LAUGHED in Hartford or somewhere like that prior to hitting stardom - was he timid-cocked in that?
- [quote]Did anyone see Seth Rudetsky's DISASTER! the first time around?
Which one? He's had so many, you know.
- R26. He just seems modest about his stuff, as if it's not as impressive as his other sulky talents. Would love to be proved wrong, though. He doesn't ever seem to bare much of his body. Are there photos from Hartford?
- He's waiting for the big money to take it all off.
- Any gossip on Jefferson Mays?
- woo hoo
- Jeremy J would not do full frontal in Bonnie & Clyde - where Stark Sands did in an earlier production.
Yes tiny junk - --
Jerremy will be old news in 2 years.
Now Andrew K B - that is a nice package on a small boy.
Time for Max Von Essen to show his stuff.
- Max Von Essen only considers his bussy his "stuff".
- Word everywhere on the street is that Max von Essen's crowning glory is his rear end, not much in the front. If true, we my never see his junk.
- Max VE is just "normal" sized. It's fine, he could even top if need be (not that he would want to). It's certainly not tinymeat, which is what I hear Jeremy's is.
- I kind of remember pics of jeremy in that production.
- [quote]After seeing scrumptious Jeremy Northam in the film of WINSLOW BOY (granted that was 1999), Roger Rees is a cold substitute.
They play different roles though.
- Saw J Jordan in Little Dog Laughed - nothing to write home about folks.... Jonny Orsini replaced him mid-run and knocked it out of the park.
- Was that production with Chad Allen? WHET?
- Why is Seth Rudetsky?
- r38, please post a full description of the details of the size, shape, length, girth, color, circumcision status, and hairiness level of Jeremy Jordan's penis and testicles.
- I thought Jordan was in the production of Little Dog where neither guy went full frontal and DCB got pissed and stipulated that future productions either do the scene as written or not do the show.
- [quote] please post a full description of the details of the size, shape, length, girth, color, circumcision status, and hairiness level of Jeremy Jordan's penis and testicles.
If it's unimpressive, why go to all that trouble?
- R22 Catherine Zeta Jones did say that Mama Rose was her dream part, so she'll probably be next...in a few years.
- Dearest Hughie may have to drop out of Houdini. I wonder who they may get to replace him.
- Jeremy comes from a dirt poor family somewhere in Texas, so the odds are he's uncut.
- Spiderman: Turn off the Lights after you load out
down to the low 600's DOA
- How many times do I need to tell you people? Catherine CZ is a second banana!!
- Does Houdini even have a book writer yet?
- R46- He's Jewish so the odds are he is cut.
- Jeremy Jordan is Jewish? Huh? Really? No one excepet Mrs. Jordan knows for sure, apparently.
- R51. Check Google. His mother is Jewish, which is what counts.
- R52. Whoops.
- We have Jews in Texas?
- Jeremy admitted in an interview during Bonnie and Clyde, that he has half siblings he's never even met.
- R55 And after seeing "Smash," they have absolutely no desire to change that situation.
- What does Jeremy have coming up?
- What is the story of the Sondheim - Bernadette Peters - Wynton Marsalis show?
- WINSLOW BOY = SWALLOW BOY
- It's a co-pro between Encores and Jazz at Lincoln Center, like the Cotton Club show was.
"A Bed and a Chair, a NY Love Affair." All jazz, all Sondheim. Costar ring Cyrille Aimee and Tyler Hanes.
Directed by ... John Doyle. Maybe Berns can borrow Patti's tuba.
- Kathy Bates will replace Cherry when the original cast leaves.
Then Melissa McCarthy can play Laura and Josh Gad can play Tom.
- Running time for LITTLE MISS SUNSHINE has been posted as 90 minutes, no intermission at Second Stage. It ran 2.5 hours in La Jolla with intermission. Have Finn and Lapine given up and cut too much? No wonder Joel Grey turned down the Grandfather's part - it's probably been decimated - and Will Chase took that LA gig and left the father role to Will Swenson.
- comedy is not your thing r61...try drama
- I consider myself a longtime Bernadette devotee, but I really don't think she has the vocal capacity to be headlining concert evenings anymore.
- Uh ... I just saw her in a concert a couple of months ago, and it was all her, no guest stars, and she sounded great.
What she no longer has (that she had when she was young) is the ability to subg in a soprano range without a lot of strain (ie, Follies).
- [quote]Why the dirty shirt lifter got the boot.
In WINSLOW BOY? Did I miss something? What does this mean?
- Why did Orion really leave Pippin? And is he coming back?
- [quote]All jazz, all Sondheim.
How does this square with Sondheim's claim that he doesn't like it when people "do too much" to his songs by means of interpretation? Is that something he just said to piss of Betty Buckley? Because the last time I listened, jazz was all about improvising.
Then again, he's being paid.
- Bernie P is fine for concerts. It's long runs she can't sustain. And it has been ever thus (well, at least since Tell Me On A Sunday).
- assuming the character Alison Fraser plays in "It Could Be Worse" is a composite, does anyone know the divas the character is based on?
- OK, R63,
Betty Buckley will replace Cherry, Jessica Chastain will play Laura, and Sean Hayes will play Tom.
More to your tastes?
- I thought that was funny R61.
Why so bitchy R63?
- Actually r61, Kathy Bates is a great stage actress - it is how she got started. I would LOVE to see her in the Cherry Jones role.
- [quote] assuming the character Alison Fraser plays in "It Could Be Worse" is a composite, does anyone know the divas the character is based on?
- I don't know how vigorous she is physically after her recent bout with cancer but Kathy Bates would kill in any role. Even her Miss Hannigan was fantastic.
- Kathy Bates IS Phyllis Rogers Stone.
- Sorry to hear of the passing of Mabou Mines founder Ruth Maleczech.
As a student, I saw their production of "Through the Leaves" at the Public back in the '80s, and it confused the hell out of me, but I also knew it was important work, and the work of a group & artists with a commitment to a specific vision.
- Kathy Bates would be truly brilliant as Amanda.
But the role she must play is Beatrice in Gamma Rays...Man in the Moon Marigolds!
Or is she already too old? Does that play still hold up? It's never had a major revival in NY.
- R78 From your mouth to Roundabout's ears
- "Running time for LITTLE MISS SUNSHINE has been posted as 90 minutes, no intermission at Second Stage. It ran 2.5 hours in La Jolla with intermission."
Really? If that's true, it means they cut about 45 minutes from the show, which is a HUGE amount. Can anyone confirm? (Considering who's directing it, probably the less show, the better.)
- John Simon was always vicious to Ruth Malezcech.
- Second Stage volunteer ushers got an email from the House Manager with this sentence in it:
[quote] The performance has a running time of approximately ninety five minutes with no intermission.
So it looks like LITTLE MISS SUNSHINE the musical is now shorter than LITTLE MISS SUNSHINE the film on which the musical is based.
I'm surprised James Lapine was allowed to work with little girls again after the way he ruined the ANNIE revival.
- Jeremy Jordan is AMAZING in his star turn in The Last 5 Years movie!!! Just wait till his reviews come out!!!!
- I wouldn't have thought Jeremy Jordan and "star turn" would be concepts that could be used in the same sentence, but if you say so...
- [quote]So it looks like LITTLE MISS SUNSHINE the musical is now shorter than LITTLE MISS SUNSHINE the film on which the musical is based.
Well, the son can't be singing for most of the evening, so that should save time.
- Can you explain R85? Is the son now tone deaf rather than color blind?
- You're no one to talk, Kat....
- The son doesn't speak for at least half the film, unless I'm remembering the wrong plot.
- I should say: the son REFUSES to speak for half the film. No?
- Hopefully the Paul Dano character will do interpretive dance to express himself. Someone call Mark Dendy.
- I'm still so angry about Zaxh Braff in Bullets ... I could spit.
- Ruth Maleczech was a GREAT Lear!
- Malcolm Gets Old
- Daniel Sunjata ages well
- Black don't crack.
- So who here has seen the new, shorter incarnation of Little Miss Sunshine?
Shorter may be better!
- At least I have lips.
- Malcolm isn't that old. I think he's only about a year older than me (I'm 48). Frankly, he looks like he's maybe been sick in that photo posted at R93.
He's such a nice and talented man; I hope he's feeling okay.
- They're pimping GLASS MENAGERIE out like crazy with these commercials. Like the majority of the public has even heard of Cherry Jones? Most would think she was the girl on Punky Brewster. They barely know who Quinto is.
And sorry, but Laurette Taylor's performance is legendary with a capital L. Miss Jones has balls for thinking she can compete with that.
- I think Malcolm is closer to 51 or 52.
- Empty theaters mean Phylicia Rashad and Debbie Allen in a musical version of "Having Our Say".
- The Cherry Jones hatred on these theater threads is predictable, considering the amount of contempt you all have for women.
Just to be clear:
The current revival of GLASS MENAGERIE is profoundly moving, and all the performers are out of this world good.
If you didn't like it, you're obviously not human, and not in a fun way.
- What happened with the original cast of LOVE AND MURDER?
- what's the word on the new Carole King musical ?
- Malcolm Gets looks like a poor man's John Benjamin Hickey in R93's pic.
- The name of the Carole King musical is probably a stretch for its leading lady.
- [quote]Malcolm Gets looks like a poor man's John Benjamin Hickey
as opposed to a Richman's John Benjamin Hickey?
- [quote] The Cherry Jones hatred on these theater threads is predictable, considering the amount of contempt you all have for women
Cherry Jones has received lots of praise at DL. Get a grip.
- We love Cherry!!!
- R102 is one of those insufferable theater queens.
Find another board where people will bow to you.
- No, R110, R102 is right. You're the insufferable one.
- From my last row seat at the Laura Pels, I found Michael Zegen adorable, but that may be because he's opposite a dybbuk of performance by Tracee Cimino. Bad Jews indeed.
- I've found him adorable in the past, r112 - any shirtless or feets scenes in this?
- Malcolm Gets will be 50 in December.
- Zegen kicks off his shoes so we see his feet - in socks. Sorry to burst your bubble.
- [quote] Like the majority of the public has even heard of Cherry Jones? Most would think she was the girl on Punky Brewster.
She had a role for a couple of seasons on "24" so I'm pretty sure there are a lot of people, who know of Cherry Jones.
- Is Zegen the kid from RESCUE ME? He's cute.
- r111 is r102 on a different browser
opinions can't be definitive.
- The level of idiocy in nearly all the DL comments about the GLASS MENAGERIE revival has been alarmingly high. You all went on and on about Cherry Jones's supposedly ruinous "character voice," and it was just - you cannot stand it when a powerful, talented, gorgeous, strong, successful woman does something wonderful, can you? Jesus Christ, you all need to be in therapy to deal with your hatred of women. It's a sickness.
- trolldar r102...it is posting anti-gay threads all over
- I've seen Jones, Lange, Julie Harris, and Judith Ivey as Amanda as well as Woodward and Hepburn on film.
I'm surprised to say that I think Hepburn was best. Jones is fine but this production is more Tom's than Amanda's. Lange was good in London but shakey in NY.
- R102, I love you.
- So Brian J. Smith. Gay right?
- r121, of course you'd say it's Tom's production this time around, as if it were important to say whose production it is. Jesus, you're a stupid theater-goer. One of the most impressive things about this production is how well-balance all four cast members are in relation to each other - they are all in the same play, they live in the same world, they know each other in real life and care about/struggle with each other, convincingly and touchingly. Quinto's performance wouldn't work as well without Jones's, and vice versa.
It's not a tennis match, dude. It's a play, and it's beautifully done.
Jones was *perfect*, her monologue about jonquils was beautiful.
I don't know what you fags think great theater is. I guess if Quinto showed you his dick and called Jones a cunt, you'd be raving about the production's brilliance.
You disgust me.
- The hysteria over MENAGERIE is unbelievable. It is a pedestrian production of the play - maybe not for those have not seen it before, but it is the only time I wasn't moved to tears by it . Maybe because Laura was swallowed by the couch and I wanted to laugh out loud at that point.
- r121 I agree. Hepburn, Waterston, Moriarity and Miles were BY FAR the best company of the six productions (film and stage) that I've seen.
- where any of you lucky enough to see Patty Duke as Amanda in the roundabout reading in 2002 of the Glass Menagerie? I was :-)
- Jeremy J is Tiny meat. And yes Max V E is average (not bad at all). I saw at the gym. Plus 2 friends saw backstage at Broadway Bares.
- So now The Vist is back on, bowing in MA before heading to NY? Good for Cheets. It's a brilliant show and the only people who hate it are the people who don't like what the show has to say about them.
- Thanks for the best laugh I've had today, r129!
- r124 etc=heal your anger, you'll live longer
- R121, Jessica Lange never played Amanda in London. She did Blanche under the direction of Sir Peter Hall and was great and Mary Tyrone for which she was nominated for an Olivier Award.
- here you go r132....anything else to say?
- R123 = no, just plays gay in GLASS MENAGERIE.
- R134 do you know anything about Brian J. Smith? Please tell. Thanks.
- Everyone in the theatre is gay.
- re: Brian J. Smith - Well, it's hard to imagine that any man who names "Keeping Up Appearances" as one of his favorite TV shows could enjoy eating pussy.
- "Jeremy J is Tiny meat. And yes Max V E is average (not bad at all). I saw at the gym. Plus 2 friends saw backstage at Broadway Bares."
r128, are you saying you saw Jeremy J.'s tiny meat at the gym, or just Max's? Would love further description of Jeremy's if you saw it!
- Because I know there's a lot of love for Charlotte Rae on the DL and there aren't many chances to see her in New York, note that at this Project Shaw evening "there will be special performances by Tony Award winner George S. Irving and Tony Award nominee Charlotte Rae".
On a side note, I could have sworn George S. Irving was dead. He was in the original cast of OKLAHOMA! for God's sake!
- Snow Geese getting bad word of mouth....Will Vicki have a job to go back to when it closes-or will Cinderella, whose numbers are dwuindling, still be open for her to return to her horn crown and lousy flying?
- Personally, I love Cherry Jones--just didnt care for her performance in GM--is that not allowed?
- No R141, because while Cherry Jones can be good, she is also overrated. Obviously, you're not alone as the play is struggling to sell tickets.
Don't let the head cases ruin these threads.
- "So now The Vist is back on, bowing in MA before heading to NY? Good for Cheets. It's a brilliant show and the only people who hate it are the people who don't like what the show has to say about them"
Excellent quality boot of the 2008 DC production, with Chita and George Hearn, in circulation.
- [quote]Excellent quality boot of the 2008 DC production, with Chita and George Hearn, in circulation
It is... very good quality.
- No r141, she must be worshipped!
- So why IS Stephanie pope back in Chicago, covering Velma?
- R143. Are you some manifestation of mlop? Real or fake? I mean: The Vist, and Cheets for Chits. Something suspicious about this all occurring during the govt shutdown...Someone is obviously losing it, and it might be me! (Where is KZ when we need her so badly?)
- I love when actors make actor faces
- I noticed that David Leveaux didn't direct Jessica Lange again in the London Glass Menagerie.
Does he have any kind of a career in London any more? Or is he just inflicting himself on us these days?
Did he ever have much of a career in London?
- [quote] Jesus, you're a stupid theater-goer.
Hey! I'm a superstar!
- Yes, R133 - my apologies, that totally flew under my radar. I guess when I saw it on Broadway I wouldn't have thought there was any point to producing it in the West End. I love Jessica Lange but she was not a great Amanda. And if ever there was Laura who should've been sucked up by the couch, it should've been Sarah Paulson.
- I'm not sure what R121 post says about NY theatre but I suspect it says ALOT! As if EVERYTHING he lists about this NY revival of Glass Menagerie isn't required in all GM productions and a failure in any of those areas means you have not served the playwright well---the number one requirement of all theatre. Doesn't matter whether the production is on Broadway or a regional theatre in Idaho, for God's sake. I doubt, if done well, this NY revival is any more definitive than a production cast well and directed without any phony impositions placed on the brilliant play in Podunkville.
Doubt if I'll get in to NY to see this revival but I have directed at least three productions of GM and have been fortunate to see at least 7 productions through the years. There are two "tests" when you see a production of GM and an audience's reaction to those two moments tell you whether the production is a success: 1f you have to suppress a gasp of ecstasy when lights are out in Act 2 and Amanda gives the "electricity speech" to the Gentleman Caller--it reveals so much about great writing and so much about who Amanda really is. and 2) When Amanda screams at Tom running out of house at very end of the memory part of the play "Get out! You hopeless dreamer!" (or words to that effect), you both want to weep AND howl with laughter that Amanda, of all people, would call him that.
- Saw Fun Home at The Public last night. It's incredibly compelling, but not perfect. They could use a little more humor, but the music is great, and they have some of the most honest moments I've seen in musicals in years. It will be interesting to see what happens to this one. I'm not sure its commercial, but its really, really good.
- The Carole King musical in SF is getting trashed on one of the boards, whatever that means. The primary complaint is the story isn't compelling which is what everyone kept saying about the workshops/readings. But it could be a crowd pleaser, i.e. Mamma Mia.
- The Carole King musical will be, by definition, brilliant. Paul Blake is involved.
- R152, I would add that the subscription monologue should be heartbreaking.
In this production it is being played as if Amanda is a proactive, take-charge kinda gal, not a desperate woman.
- "The Glass Menagerie" is, and always has been, a play about Tom. Directors may cast stars and great ladies of the theatre in the role of Amanda, but it is, as my acting teacher used to say, "the showy part". This is Tom's story, not Amanda's. Every great production (and there haven't been that many) makes that fact perfectly clear.
- Can you imagine the ovation the actor playing John Adams in "1776" at ACT must be getting when he utters the line, "By God, I have had this Congress!"?
We could use a great Broadway revival of this right about now.
- NSO Pops: Michael Cavanaugh: The Songs of Elton John and More
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- Who is Paul Blake?
- "The Glass Menagerie is, and always has been, a play about Tom. Directors may cast stars and great ladies of the theatre in the role of Amanda, but it is, as my acting teacher used to say, 'the showy part.' This is Tom's story, not Amanda's. Every great production (and there haven't been that many) makes that fact perfectly clear."
What a stupid, simplistic comment. Of course it's true that the play is told from Tom's perspective, so in that sense it's his story. But if you think it's not almost equally about Amanda and Laura, you're a fool. Do you really believe that a play MUST be "clearly" one particular character's "story?"
P.S. Your acting teacher sounds like as much of an idiot as you are.
P.P.S. I love the current production, and you can also count me as another person who adores the Hepburn version, even though I seem to remember that her performance divided critics when the film first aired on TV. She's brilliant in it, and so is the rest of the cast.
- R147- I am not R143 but I can tell you that when Chita was honored at the Drama League benefit,Liza made a surprise appearance and called Chita "Cheets." This was during Liza'a fat period right around the time of David Gest. She had to be helped up on stage and had to be helped off the stage. A good friend was the one who escorted her off. And it's on the video of the event. I told my friends over at That's All Chat about Liza's nickname for Ms. Rivera and it stuck. Someone who posted on that site remembered this and referred to "Cheets." As for the mispelling of the show, that happens.
- R147- Karen troll stopped posting after the REAL KAREN mentioned to a fellow DL'er at Encores ON YOUR TOES, she read DL and her feelings were hurt by the one poster who kept making fun of her Playboy picture.
The former Karen I dance, act, sing, act and play the banjo Tony winner..
- Glass Menagerie is such an interesting play, especially because Act 1 ends on a note of hope rather than conflict. The audience could leave at intermission having been completely satisfied.
- KZ Troll, you are a vital part of this board! Come back! We need your special brand of sunshine!
- R165 xoxo
Matinee Saturday.. tickets available for most shows!!
Karen Ziemba, Tony winning actress/dancer/ you know the rest...
- If anybody makes comments about KZ's playboy pictorial, they should get their trolly asses kicked.
We love Karen and want her to come back to DL.
- Well, you just did, R167. Nice going.
- The REAL Karen Ziemba troll would NEVER post nasty things about our girl. He/she posts with affection and appreciation of one of the most well-liked performers on the B*R*O*A*D*W*A*Y stage.
Many months ago, Karen told me she was tickled by his/her posts...before others started with the rude comments.
- Will KZ ever do a "Dueling Banjos" concert with Steve Martin?
- Karen with a Z doesn't read DL. She's only been "tickled" by comments that have been related to her those who do.
You may continue to wax lyrical about her left tit. She's not going to know unless said readers tell her.
- For all you "Good Morning, Miss Bliss" fans ...
- [quote]Who is Paul Blake?
He was the brilliant executive producer at St. Louis Muny and is now the brilliant producer of BEAUTIFUL. I could go on and on about his brilliance. And I often do.
- I can't say I know KZ well, but I have worked with her, and I agree with r171. She doesn't read DL. She's not an internet addict at all.
That said, the jokes about her breasts are tiresome now. Time to let that one go.
- What's with Steve Kazee's cryptic tweet?
In future, please cut + paste the tweet.
here you got R176
2 hours ago via Twitter
Well, apparently, the universe had other plans. So what's next?
- He lost out on a role, probably.
- or his girlfriend broke up with her
- Paul Blake ruined the Muny during his years as the artistic producer.... he just did the same shows over every 5 years...or he wold produce one of his vanity products that he himself wrote (musical versions of 3 COINS IN THE FOUNTAIN, BREAKFAST AT TIFFANY'S with a Johnny Mercer score)and went nowhere. When asked about that, his reply was always "It's ONLY the Muny, darling, just the MUNY."
the sets were lousy and the stage floor was always painted blue... every show
- Raul Esparza for John Adams in 1776! With Anne Hathaway as Martha Jefferson!
- Glass Menagerie extended until Feb.
- Wow, this thread smells like the dried pee of the truly ancient.
Glass Menagerie is good, by the way. Not great, not pedestrian. Good. Is that allowed?
And the best Amanda of recent years was Sally Field in D.C.
And I'll bet Laurette Taylor was just okay once you scrape off 69 years of show-queen hyperbole.
- Why did Anne Hathaway in Cabaret evaporate?
- r183... "Just good" = pedestrian.
- Was Menagerie as good ad Other Desert Cities?
- [quote]Why did Anne Hathaway in Cabaret evaporate?
It never really existed, thank God. Just the wet dream of a bunch of swooning, LES MIZ queens.
- R184- I posted this before. She was NEVER offered the role.. Anne's 'people' contacted Mendes, Marshall and the Roundabout 'people.' She wanted to do it. They did not want Hathaway.
- Speaking of CABARET, what are the odds of this limited run claim being BS. Aren't Roundabout pretty desperate?
- I think you're getting Cherry confused with Cheryl.
- CABARET was the only money making venture Roundabout ever had. The revival of the revival will happen.
- Does anyone remember the TV film of Glass Menagerie with Shirley Booth from the mid/late 1960s? IIRC she was pretty fabulous.
Who else was in that? I must imdb it!
- [quote]Does anyone remember the TV film of Glass Menagerie with Shirley Booth from the mid/late 1960s? IIRC she was pretty fabulous
Honey, anyone who saw the TV film of Glass Menagerie with Shirley Booth from the mid/late 1960s probably doesn't remember much of anything anymore.
- I'd like to see Allison Janney as Amanda once she's released from that hideous sitcom she's in.
- I'm ignoring r193 but Shirley's 1966 costars were Hal Holbrook as Tom, Pat Hingle as Jim and Barbara Loden as Laura. Quite a cast back then!
- Rumor has it that an announcement next week of the supporting cast of the Philharmonic Sweeney will start a run at the box office—after they raises prices. Anyone know anything?
- Darlanne Fluegell broke up with Steve.
- "Why did Anne Hathaway in Cabaret evaporate?"
Because she's not really Sally material. Anne can't pull off that joie de vivre that Sally needs.
- R193 Eat shit. I'm 61 and I absolutely remember it. My first exposure to the play.
- Tony Yazbeck will be shaking his hot ass at Christian Borle in Encores' Little Me.
- Where was it announced about Chita doing The Visit in MA?
- It's a shame Steve and Darlanne split before they had a chance to do Hamlet together.
- Darlene Flugel? From To Live and Die in LA? Someone bring me up to date on the meme!
- [quote]Was Menagerie as good ad Other Desert Cities?
Are you joking?
Other Desert Cities was one of the worst-acted, unintentional camp fests I've seen in years. The audience was very cool to it when I saw it, and some of the raved about performances were embarrassing!
Did anybody think Rachel Griffiths was giving an utterly community theater performance? Maybe it's me, but I felt like the only one who hadn't drunk the Kool Aid with this one.
- Was Menagerie as good as Dead Accounts?
- Is Celia Keenan's retard as good as Jodie Fosters?
- I find it hard to believe that Roundabount wouldn't want Anne Hathaway in the Cabaret revival. She's a bigger name than Michelle Williams.
- With only about a quarter of the talent, r207. Plus she now has a severe likability problem - people find her highly annoying.
- I don't think Anne Hathaway is a bigger name than Michelle Williams.
- Shirley Booth was nothing but radiant and revelatory in anything she ever did - Hazel included btw. A true actor's actor. Her Amanda was legendary for those of us blessed enough to see it on television last century.
- Is Cherry Jones single?
- Saw BIG FISH tonight. Wow, it is completely mediocre. Stro has missed the boat here..her storytelling is disjointed and her signature production numbers are garish and out of place.
And Norbert.....sigh...he seems to play the same character in every show.
- "The subscription monologue should be heartbreaking. In this production it is being played as if Amanda is a proactive, take-charge kinda gal, not a desperate woman."
R156, this statement proves that you know nothing about acting, directing, or playwriting.
The subscription monologues -- yes, there are two of them, please pay more attention in future -- occur way too early in the play for "heartbreaking" to be the intended effect while they are happening. Although Amanda is already very concerned about her family's situation, she is a scrappy woman who is not even close to throwing in the towel.
The subscription monologues should be heartbreaking ONLY IN RETROSPECT, when you're looking back at the end of the play. Didn't anyone ever teach you that it's a huge mistake to play the end at the beginning?
- Saw BIG FISH tonight. Wow, it is completely wonderful. Susan Stroman overdoes it with the projections but she has not missed the boat here.
Her storytelling is stylish and done with great humor. The signature production numbers fit in perfectly with the fantasy elements of the story - it is a musical after all, with no relationship to the minimalist Sondheim productions.
And Norbert.....sigh...he got better-looking and lost a lot of weight, his character has a real arc. He received a standing ovation from the entire audience at the end - and yes I know audiences leap up at the end of almost every show, but please note tonight's audience resembled a Thursday night at Splash in 2000. The men's room line was longer than the line for the women's room.
Bobby, though quite good, has added about 10 pounds and he seems to be struggling a bit with his role.
The opening number hugely entertaining, and the subsequent love duet between Norbert and Kate Baldwin (Time Stops) was quite lovely. The rest of the score was admittedly hit and miss and most of the numbers last about a minute too long. Kate's 2nd act WW2 number needs to be cut.
The first act was too long, but the show, while not perfection, definitely hit all the right notes for my $79, which bought me a superb Front Mezzanine, Second row center seat.
- Bobby Steggert's about to find out the hard way that Brooahd-WAY doesn't go for FLAB and FATTIES!!
- Norbert Leo Butz is a god.
He gave such a gorgeous, detailed, honest, touching performance in that awful musical. . . What was it called? Ugh, I've suppressed the name. Norbert was magnificent. He had the guy's walk, he had the guy's moves, he figured out how to make us believe that the guy - a G-Man who goes through life keeping a low profile - : he convinced us that the guy could have a razzle-dazzle moment that made perfect sense in the context of his bargain basement personality.
He's a terrific actor.
My favorite NYC Bway musical performances over the past 10 years:
Butz in that awful thing with CATCH in the title
Esparza in COMPANY
Szot in SOUTH PACIFIC (he can't act, but his "This Nearly Was Mine" was the real reason to see the show)
LuPone in GYPSY (suck it, haters)
Strich in A LITTLE NIGHT MUSIC (suck it more - and say what you will, but Stritch's rendition of "Liaisons" was the first time that song worked. Jesus, it's a joy-killer, that song. But Stritch found the drama in stasis, and: for the first time, it was clear that Madame Armfeldt had in fact once been a really jazzy whore, and not some mummified stuffy British lady.)
All those performances were spectacular, and I feel lucky to have seen them.
As for THE GLASS MENAGERIE: Hepburn was miscast in the TV version. I can't believe any of you liked her.
Hepburn was Hepburn. She was not southern, she was not ordinary. Amanda's secret is that she's ordinary - that's one reason she works so hard to cast herself as a long-ago belle. She has become normal, and she hates it.
Her language - her beautiful words - lift her above the commonplace, but her struggle is to resist how everyday-tired-and-dreary she is.
Hepburn is not real, Hepburn is an aerie sprite, she is a metaphor. Cherry Jones is real. Jessica Lange was awful, Jessica Tandy was awful (she was always awful in everything, I'm sorry), Julie Harris was miscast: Amanda is not a line of poetry trembling against the violent wind, she is a real person wishing her life wasn't over.
Just once more:
The current production of THE GLASS MENAGERIE is beautiful. You tired old queens need to let yourselves feel something, once in a while. Are you only moved by fuck films and flip flops? Work harder, you're missing the real joys.
- You queens can't keep up.
- people who say "queen" hate themselves for being gay and are old
- MARY!, r217
- r219! You've met me. I feel so seen.
r220, you know I'm right.
- Anyone see SNOW GEESE? God, I hope Parker is better than she was in HEDDA GABLER. Oofah.
- R217, liaisons worked perfectly with Hermione Gingold, who, despite her looks, was quite the former courtesan.
- R223. And she knew many more lines than the old bat, Elaine! And she predated earpieces...
- How much of the Cherry Jones idolatry is due to her being gay?
- Dear R161-
You probably taught Tennessee Williams in prep school, which explains why so many adults don't understand the fucking play.
Now go back to watching the squirrels play before your meds.
- Well, that's a rhetorical question, isn't it? Cherry's been out pretty much her whole career, so there's no how she was treated before/after to go by.
I remember seeing her way back when in "Our Country's Good" in a supporting role and thinking: wow, that one's an amazing actor, and that was before she was canonized as one of our Great Actors.
I also remember being blown away by The Heiress, and that was one of the parts that made her name, justifiably so.
So I think she's an actor's actor, someone who brings her A game to whatever she does, and I think people appreciate it. That she's a lesbian and comfortable with it is a part of her total impact as an artist in American theater.
- Cherry is giving a terrific performance, but she is miscast. Is is like casting Cherry Jones as Ruth Younger in Raisin in the Sun. She would give a terrific performance in Raisin in the Sun, but one just would not be able to get past that she is not right for the role. So far "not right" that one cannot dismiss it as another interpretation.
- R228, I probably shouldn't ask, but: Can you try to define WHY you feel Cherry is miscast as Amanda?
- R229, I'm not R228, but I'll have a go. Amanda is a tough cookie, but she also masquerades herself in fluttery, lacy (ie, her gown) ways. Cherry does neither lacy nor fluttery at all, so you won't get that. What her performance does give the play is an incredible motherly spine, and that how she manages to bring it off. I've seen a lot of Amandas (but not Laurette Taylor, thank you), and I think Cherry does work well. I think the play is one of the greatest modern plays and exists mainly to let a whole slew of interpretations wander through it and still be successful.
- R229, of course you can ask. As I posted earlier, regardless of where Cherry Jones was born and grew up, she reads good, sturdy, capable New England stock. She plays Amanda like the sort of pioneer woman that could build a log cabin with her own hands.
Amanda is the sort of post civil war southern woman who was brought up to be nothing but decorative. She has no life skills and no talents. She has always relied on the kindness of men- first her husband then Tom.
This is one of the elements that is missing from this production. When Tom leaves, he is essentially leaving Amanda and Laura to die. They cannot survive without him.
In general, this is my problem with this production- the stakes are not nearly high enough. It is played like a drawing room comedy set in a tenement, not a play in which at least two of the four characters are fighting for their lives. I am not saying that there cannot be humor, or that the audience should not laugh in a successful performance of Glass Menagerie. However, these a people in the depression fighting to survive.
- Is there a gay subplot in BIG FISH? Why were there so many gay men there? Norbert isn't THAT goodlooking.
- Alice Cooper in SpiderMan would appeal to who exactly? and to bleed an additional 150k a week? Huh?
- [quote]Alice Cooper in SpiderMan would appeal to who exactly? and to bleed an additional 150k a week? Huh?
When Alice Cooper appears at the Chiller autograph show in Jersey, he has lines for hours of people who pay to meet him. He has fans.
- LOL, no gay subplot, and limited gay eye candy. But it IS the first new splashy musical of the season, hence the gay showing.
- I have a practical question and maybe someone can answer it. How difficult is it to get tickets for a play while it's in previews?
If Playbill tells me, for example, that Glass Menagerie hypothetically, will open "in previews" on April 10th, and It's February, and I try to buy tickets, usually they say tickets aren't available yet, but keep checking. Then they're gone. Poof!
Preview tickets are usually less expensive and it would be nice to see some of these plays at a reduced price.
- "Is there a gay subplot in BIG FISH? Why were there so many gay men there? Norbert isn't THAT goodlooking."
The faghagishness of Kate Baldwin?
- Most plays do some discounting/paper in previews R236, you might try joining Theatermania's mailing list, if not their Gold Club (which costs, what $80 a year?) And if you are eligible, joining TDF will give you access to deeply discounted tickets, including Broadway, usually during previews.
- "Regardless of where Cherry Jones was born and grew up, she reads good, sturdy, capable New England stock."
Do you not realize how completely subjective that opinion is, and how many people disagree with it?
"She plays Amanda like the sort of pioneer woman that could build a log cabin with her own hands."
Amanda's strength is a very important part of the character. The fact that Laurette Taylor and other previous Amandas may not have stressed that aspect of the character so much doesn't mean the interpretation is not valid.
"Amanda is the sort of post civil war southern woman who was brought up to be nothing but decorative. She has no life skills and no talents. She has always relied on the kindness of men- first her husband then Tom. This is one of the elements that is missing from this production. When Tom leaves, he is essentially leaving Amanda and Laura to die. They cannot survive without him."
I agree with you about the "no life skills and no talents" part, but my interpretation is that Amanda had an inner strength that has come to the fore during the years following her abandonment by her husband. In Jones' performance, the strength is very evident and is all the more heartbreaking precisely because Amanda herself has no life skills and seems unskilled and unprepared for any kind of job that would pay any kind of decent money.
"In general, this is my problem with this production- the stakes are not nearly high enough. It is played like a drawing room comedy set in a tenement, not a play in which at least two of the four characters are fighting for their lives. I am not saying that there cannot be humor, or that the audience should not laugh in a successful performance of Glass Menagerie. However, these a people in the depression fighting to survive."
I cannot believe you saw the same production I did. Despite many moments of humor, it is ABSOLUTELY NOT played like a "drawing room comedy set in a tenement." That opinion is completely wacko and off-the-wall. (Even if a director and his/her actors were so foolish as to WANT to play THE GLASS MENAGERIE as a "drawing room comedy set in a tenement," it would be impossible to do so because of the text.)
Stop being ridiculous.
- Thanks r239. Couldn't have said it better myself.
- Has anyone seen that video of Laurette Taylor's screen test? There's a reason she didn't have a film career.
- I think R230 and R239 are symptomatic of why Glass Menagerie is probably going to eventually join the ranks of unproducible plays such as Gaslight/Angel Street and the women. It is very hard for at least some people today to accept the female roles as written.
The female lead in Gaslight is a victim from start to finish. She is never empowered. She is either dependent on her husband or dependent on the police detective. She has no Grrrrl moments.
There was a similar problem with the recent revival of The Women. The young actresses played it as if it was Sex and the City. The entire point of the play is that a woman does not exist without a man. Again, these women are fighting for their lives and that life is only of value if it is with a man.
Similarly, Amanda has no inner strength. She is not going to hold together the family once Tom has left. From the beginning of the play to the end, her world is falling apart, and she is powerless to stop it. Someone mentioned not playing the end at the beginning, but from the start of the play,Amanda knows Tom is joining the Merchant Marines. That information isn't given to the audience until about halfway through the play, but Amanda knows it from the moment the curtain rises. She needs a man to survive, and her only hope is the Gentleman Caller. She cannot survive on her own.
This is a type of woman that most audience members of the 40s+ would understand. Now, however, we want to pretend that they didn't exist. Such helpless women are considered as implausible as blackface because they make us uncomfortable nowadays.
I am sorry that you had such a knee jerk reaction to "drawing room comedy", but the play is directed with a lightness that quite frankly, I don't think is supported by the script. My partner though both Quinto and Jones were a tad "musical comedy". Yes, it is a memory play, but it requires a different kind of lightness to convey memory.
- Look, 'de gustibus...' and all that, but the point is: the critical consensus is that this is a wonderful, perhaps definitive production of a masterpiece.
The consensus here seems to be that it sucks.
Which makes me think all the posters here are a bunch of Rex Reeds. Yuck.
- I think, you are being simplistic. Many people here take the middle ground. It is a good production with some problems. I think most people think Cherry Jone is giving a great performance, though some (including myself) would say a great performance in a miscast role.
As someone posted isn't there a place for "good"? Does everything have to be either the "definitive" performance or the "worst" thing ever on stage?
- "I am sorry that you had such a knee jerk reaction to 'drawing room comedy,' but the play is directed with a lightness that quite frankly, I don't think is supported by the script."
Don't feel sorry for my reaction, 252. Your "drawing room comedy" label is a ridiculous overreaction, even if you do feel the production has a "lighter" tone than you want.
And I still can't believe you feel that way. If anything, I'd say this production has a DARKER tone overall than just about any other I've seen -- all those pauses, the black void surrounding the apartment, the music by Nico Muhly, those ritualistic choreographic movements by Hoggett, and so on. The direction and acting are "light" in sections where lightness is called for by the script, such as Tom's banter with his mother in the scene where he tells her he's going to bring home a "gentleman caller" for Laura, or some of Jim's dialogue, or several other sections.
I'd hate to see what you would do with this play if you directed it. It would probably be an unrelievedly heavy-handed production without an ounce of humor or life in it.
R244, I'd say this is a great production with some (arguable) problems, but whatever.
- Wow, incredible how Datalounge's general inability to countenance strong women has warped your understanding of THE GLASS MENAGERIE.
Unplayable? OMG, the play is absolutely playable, it is one of the most playable plays ever! Amanda is a GREAT role, and Cherry Jones is doing a GREAT job.
Shame on your for suggesting that a woman cannot be sexy and practical at the same time.
Williams said in an interview somewhere, "The thing to remember about Amanda is she HAD those gentlemen callers."
She was a pretty belle, once, in her small circle. But she is now a Depression-era single mom (Williams was 18 in 1929) with a closeted gay son who wants to flee and a daughter who will never be able to support herself. Williams likes to write about people who were raised with great expectations but have come down in the world, for whatever reason - Blanche, Stella, Brick, Amanda. . .
Please stop insisting that all women are alike, and that they all conform to your narrow standards of what a woman ought to be.
And by the way: New England isn't the only region of the country that produces strong, indomitable women. Duh, have you never met a woman from Texas?
Don't be so fucking stupid.
- When Alice Cooper appears at the Chiller autograph show in Jersey, he has lines for hours of people who pay to meet him. He has fans.
and that my friends, is the state of Broadway in 2013
- as much as I cant believe I'm saying this-enough with Glass menagerie already-talk about something else, like Follies
- you have ruined this thread
- Ryan Steele poses for Out magazine... in undies, in bed...
- I've heard people call her Cheets, Cheet, and Cheety.....it's definitely not just an Mlop thing.
Hope The Visit gets on....great score and killer performances. Chita deserves to go out in toothy part, and she'd be assured of a Tony with The Visit. Every review, regardless of what they said about the show itself, said she delivered an masterful potrayal.
- [quote]perhaps definitive production of a masterpiece.
If any one reading is "definitive," it's no masterpiece. Sorry.
- I saw The Visit at The Goodman. Let it pass.
- R 253- Changes since the production at the Goodman. The Signature production was much better.
- What about Betrayal ?
And the No Man's Land /Waiting for Godot with Ian and Patrick ?
- I asked before but no one answered so I guess none of you were lucky enough to see Patty Duke has Amanda in The Glass Menagerie oh well
- R256, no I wasn't but I heard wonder things about her performance. I am really sorry that I missed both her performance and that of Sally Field.
- Uh oh. Big Fish just sent out an email blast that you can buy tickets to opening night.
- Anyone know this guy's name?
- It's the back two rows of mezzanine. They can't stick invited guests there because they'll know they're unimportant. All shows do this for opening night, so fans can say "I went to opening night!"
Big Fish has been at 91% capacity. That's remarkably high for a show in previews.
- I think thats Chester Gregory from TARZAN.
- R256 Did Amanda have an identical cousin?
- Big Fish= Three Day Old Fish
- (259) According to your link, his name is "File Not Found", but I'll bet that just his stripper name.
Thanks, but I deleted it. No offence, but the poster who suggested Chester Gregory must have cataracts.
- Hilty will play a sassy hippo named Flo in animated offering
seriously how did you queens miss this ??
- Funny, she's playing a sassy hippo named Liz in the new Sean Hayes show.
- This thread is as bad as AN ORDINARY COUPLE. C'mon bitches. Please.
- BIG FISH is truly a bore. It will struggle to find an audience and close before the Tonys.
Is Norbert the same in every show? This was DEAD ACCOUNTS set to music...
And poor Bobby Steggert. Does he even know he is on stage. He looked stunned most fo the show.
The last ten minutes are beautiful. But you can save your money and rent the movie.
- This thread is dying, just like the other one did. Don't tell us his awful Big Fish is just to register your opinion. If you can't do it in an insightful or - especially - entertaining way, you're just taking up space.
And there's nothing else to be said about Cherry's Menagerie. Let it go, we get it, you love her, she's brilliant, she's miscast, we are all misogynists, Zack is doing a musical, Celia sinks in the couch, what the play is supposed to be is open to interpretation, and the Gentleman Caller watches Keeping Up Appearances. ENOUGH!!
- DL fave Patrick Wilson choosing between Les Miz and Mothers and Sons for his Broadway spring project.
Now there's a new topic before we all go to bed.
- Valjean or Javert?
- Anyone see THE LAST GOODBYE at The Globe, Alex Timbers' latest fraternity skit turd he's foisting on the ticket-buying public? It's Romeo and Juliet with Dead Jeff Buckley's music stuck in. Should they just call the show PUBLIC DOMAIN?
- Pippin always makes me think of Ben Vereen and his torrid affair with Liza Minnelli in the 70s. He was a hot, taut, bearded piece back then....she's a lucky woman to have hit that
- [quote]Valjean or Javert?
Ugh. Does it matter? His voice isn't suited to either. And Christ almighty, do we really need to see this fucking show again?!? I was really hoping that abortion of a movie would be the final nail in its coffin, but I guess enough weepy, midwestern housewives turned out that we now have to suffer through yet another revival of this sludge.
- Anyone seen FUN HOME at the Public?
Also, is the TKTS app any good? I was thinking of trying it to get tix for PIPPIN (cuz a friend told me she saw it on there yesterday).
- The Trip to Bountiful closes next Wednesday- don't miss your last chance to try Go N'Syde: Carrie's Bountiful. The drink is the first in a series of one-of-a-kind flavors associated with cultural events and icon [sic] within the play.
- I LOVE the TKTS app!
- Liza and Ben . . .
- Outside of porn, I don't think I've ever seen a pic that says "I just got good and FUCKED" as much as that one does. Look at Liza's eyes; that's a satisfied woman.
Seriously R279.....Glory! Talk about magic to do.
- Bobby and Patrick as lovers. I'd watch that even with that blob Daly sucking the air out of the theater.
- Meh. Liza could easily have just been "fucked up" on the good shit (not Vereen's dick).
- "The Glass Menagerie" is this season's "Who's Afraid Of Virginia Woolf?". Mediocre production, leading lady miscast, it's even in the same theatre, for God's sake.
Ultimate result- Tonys for Best Revival, Best Actress.....but it'll be gone before June. After it extends again and recasts Tom.
- Patrick Wilson couldn't play a credible gay man in the Broadway all-star reading of "The Normal Heart" and he wouldn't be able to do it in a McNally play. His Bruce Niles in that reading was AWFUL.
- [quote]Anyone seen FUN HOME at the Public?
I did. Very nicely done, has some fun moments, and some very dark moments. And really, how many musicals about lesbian cartoonists do you get to see?
So not that life-altering, but definitely worth a look.
- After reading that Alice Cooper had played Herod in a London production of Jesus Christ Superstar, I checked out this recording. Clearly he's just doing Alice rather than making any attempt to create a character in an actorly sense, but presumably that fit the concept of that production.
I remember when Turn Off The Dark finally started being reviewed the actor playing the Green Goblin seemed to be the one element that everybody liked.
- Well, we got to see The Glass Menagerie today...and for those who are wondering about the seating with the discount codes, the last 3 rows were packed & we got an unobstructed view. (Stage left boxes, however, would definitely be obstructed).
For me, the revelation of this production was the Gentleman Caller/Laura scene, which was as beautiful and touching as any version I've seen.
Cherry is not a natural choice for Amanda, but she makes it work. I thought Quinto showed his lack of experience onstage early, but he really nailed the last monologue. And Celia Keenan-Bolger didn't bother me, which is about all I can say. She really did come to life and play the Gentleman Caller scene beautifully, which may be that she was coming up to the other actor's level.
Worth it, for us, especially with the discount code.
- Quinto is not an inexperienced stage actor. He graduated from Carnegie-Mellon in Acting and did a lot of stage before he got in TV, and, of course, Angels in America in NY.
- BIG FISH made me cry.
GM was just okay. Loved Jim/Laura scene. Overall, nothing special.
Favorite individual musical theater performance I've ever seen (I'm 39) is Heather Headley in THE BODYGUARD.
This thread is boring.
- I saw Headley in The a Bodyguard. Meh. Of course, the show itself was such dreck that she really had nothing to work with.
- [quote]Patrick Wilson couldn't play a credible gay man in the Broadway all-star reading of "The Normal Heart" and he wouldn't be able to do it in a McNally play. His Bruce Niles in that reading was AWFUL.
please. He was pretty damn wonderful in Angels in America. (and Bruce Niles is never a very good role no matter who does it)
- Speaking of "The Normal Heart," I'm going to a matinee of that play today. Never seen it before. Should I bring tissues?
- R292. No tissues needed. Its power is not of the tearjerking kind.
- "No tissues needed. Its power is not of the tearjerking kind."
Well...I think that's generally true, but there are a few scenes -- including some of the scenes involving Felix -- that might very well bring tears to one's eyes.
- To answer r241's question, I do remember seeing that clip of Laurette Taylor on a TV documentary about the films of David Selznick.
He apparently was desperate to get her out to Hollywood in the 1940s and had Helen Hayes and a fleet of his contract stars host her around his studios and managed to shoot her in a short scene as a kind of screen test he could use to convince her how good she was. But she hated Hollywood and left after a few days.
IIRC you couldn't keep your eyes off her in the clip....she was mesmerizing.
- I also agree she was magnetic in that screen test - if it's the one featured in the Broadway Golden Age doc that we're talking about.
- Taylor's acting in that screen test is incredibly naturalistic which, of course, was not the norm in those days.
- Hmmm....just searched youtube for the Laurette Taylor screen test but couldn't find it.
- R298, I believe Rick McKay went to great lengths to find that Laurette Taylor screen test and include it in BROADWAY: THE GOLDEN AGE, so maybe you should just spring for the DVD.
I concur, and the DVD is well worth it.
- I can't tell whether she's searching for the words in that screen test. It looks like she's thinking those thoughts for the first time and saying them out loud. That takes huge skill.
- I enjoyed Big Fish overall, but Bobby Steggert really doesn't have much to do in it.
Had people suggested that he'd get a Tony nom for that role? I can't really imagine it, I've seen everything he's done and would very much like to lick his hole, but even I forgot he was in the show half way through.
- Amanda Wingfield is not an aerie sprite. She is not a metaphor. She is a single mom struggling to raise two weird kids whom she does not understand and who overwhelm her.
It's because you all prefer to think of women as fantasies that you can't stand Cherry Jones as Amanda, whom Jones is playing as if she were real, and not a dream.
My guess is Laurette Taylor played her that way, too.
Women are real, okay? Get used to it.
- Once again R303, don't be such an ass.
Shows what you know. I'm pushing for Rosie O'Donnell to replace!
- R305 No, no, Roseanne for replacement in her Broadway debut, with Kathy Griffin as Laura, Angus T. Jones as Tom, and Jm. J. Bullock as The Gentleman Caller.
Or is it the other way around?
- [quote]Speaking of "The Normal Heart," I'm going to a matinee of that play today.
Are you in Chicago? Will you report back on the production? Not just tears, of course.
- First Big Fish reviews must be dribbling in...
- here is one
- and another:
- I just watched THE STANDBYS online. I always thought understudies/standbys/covers were pretty interesting and was disappointed that the documentary didn't cover more. Merwin Foard stuff was great but didn't find the other two interesting or compelling. Loved the clips of Merwin subbing as Gomez in that dreadful Addams Family and the audience reactions afterwards. I don't think I would have missed Lane either.
- Very Positive in EW. "Delightfully Old Fashioned" musical. Bouquets for Butz. Lippa score "mostly tuneful". Only criticism is Steggert.
"Steggert is less compelling as their not-so-likable son, particularly in the problematic second act saddled with several superfluous fantasy numbers and an ending that packs less of an emotional wallop than it should.
For the most part, though, Big Fish finds theatrically inventive ways to reel audiences into its central love story. In this case, it isn't boy-meets-girl but father-hooks-son. And Edward Bloom is quite a catch. B+"
- Does Entertainment Weekly print theatre reviews in the magazine, or are they online-only?
- The first out-and-out pan. But it's AM New York so it doesn't matter.
- Does AM New York not matter? I assumed a lot of people see it, considering all those copies they hand out.
- All the reviews have reservations about the show of one kind or another, but the general feeling is positive. Butz is getting across-the-board raves.
- And though Brabtley is not bitchy in his review, the TIMES essentially loathes it..........
- That's more mixed than pan, isn't R317?
- It's pretty bad. From the first sentence ("curiously stunted") on there are disses all the way through.
- Mixed?? That was clearly a pan.
- r318 what did Lady Brantley like about the show??
- USA TODAY is 'eh'.
- R307 Fountain Theatre, LA. Some semi-famous names (Lisa Pelikan, Frederick Koehler, Bill Brochtrup). Powerful production in a very intimate theater (80 seats) so the impact was quite strong.
- R323. Semi-famous names on what semi-famous planet?
- R323 I've always loved Lisa Pelikan (ever since she played young Vanessa Redgrave in Julia). And Fred Koehler was the son on Kate and Allie.
- And Bill B. was the token gay on NYPD Blue.
- Is Lisa Pelikan still married to Bruce Davison?
- no. Davison divorced her, remarried and had a kid (at 60)
- The NYPost Deep Fries "FISH".
- I hate that stupid cow at the POST.
- From terriC510:
"Hey, mockingbird girl. Just figured out who u are. Shall i tell everyone????? I mean give them ur name. I mean...it is not like u have any theatre career to speak of. It is so funny...you have noooo influence,nooooopositiong,,,,,u rjust a nobody on the broadway landscape....trying just like ryhogg to matter, tooomake impression in your sad little non position of the theatre. Ya know.........what Is gonna happen when all of you clowns are exposex....and your identities es rvealed. Get ready....its about ready to happen. Then you can all work at kmart... But i bet RYAN...oh i am so sorry ....ryhog...still thinks he will be senator someday. Tee hee clowns .....jigs about up."
- BIG FISH; will it close January 1?
- so who is he?
- Probably the only time I'd like to see a cunt exposed.
- Hasn't mockingbirdgirl been exposed before? She's part of the BMI Workshop or was. Someone, much more politely and grammatically correctly asked her if she felt her trashing of other BMI Workshop colleagues was appropriate. I forget her name.
- Mockingbirdgirl is an usher...nothing more
- Ryan who? And someone mentioned Mockingbird Girl's real name in one of these threads several months ago. Don't remember it, but doesn't she work for Lincoln Center in some menial position?
- No more ATC posts, please. It's super boring.
- I thought she worked for Roundabout. But the terric510 rant is hilarious. I don't think MockingbirdGirl has ever pretended to have any clout, so it's not like some shocking reveal is happening. And I always assumed ryhog stood for Ryan Hogan or something like that.
I'm guessing terri gets banned after that post. Which would be too bad, because she's kind of fun in that unstable kind of way.
- R330: She speaks very well of you.
- terric510 is Charles Manson. The syntax gives him away.
- 510 is San Fran AREA CODE!!
- Remember that poster on ATC that got kicked off for causing too much trouble and everybody thought he was Sondheim.
- SF is 415. 510 is Oakland.
- I did like Norbert (per usual) and Bobby's cute, so I'll praise him, too. I think Kate got one cursory mention (how the mighty has fallen from Finian's Rainbow).
And I am a Dame. It's Lady Isherwood.
- Sorry r346. I stand corrected. I mix my titles too easily, I fear. I did know better, I swear.
- NY Magazines review makes Brantley seem like a rave.
"Fish, the new musical from composer Andrew Lippa (The Addams Family) and director Susan Stroman (The Producers), is a heartbreaker, though perhaps not the kind its creators were hoping for. Like the new kid who’s overshopped and overprepared for the first day of school, it wants desperately to be liked, and presents a desperate, sweaty simulacrum of likeability. And it gets a few important things very, very right. One thing in particular: Its main character, the aging southern fabulist Edward Bloom, is played with full-to-bursting heart by the vastly talented Norbert Leo Butz, one of the few Broadway triple-threats who can credibly slide from boyishness to old age in a split-second without triggering our gag reflex. I’ve never seen Butz deliver a dishonest or less-than-electric moment on stage, and Big Fish is no exception. But the show built around him is a pulseless bore, and you can see his shoulders sagging from carrying all that weight. Apart from a choice hook or two, the score is stillborn, the lyrics so inert they’re tautological. The whole show waits on the music to move it; the music stubbornly, Boehnerically refuses. It’s two and a half hours of near deadlock, and Butz helps us pass the time pleasantly enough. But even the biggest bass can’t pull the boat home for you."
- So any guesses how long Smelly Fish lasts? Do shows close overnight any more?
Which new show wants their theater?
- I always love a good spectacular flame out at ATC. TerriC510 seems to have gone off the rails!
Anyone know whatever happened to MommyKim? Her tales of her gay (unbeknownst to her) kid Jonathan were always amusing
- Big Fish will last through Christmas for sure. It received enough nice pull-quotes from Bloomberg and others to keep a "wholesome, family" show like this chugging along for a while.
It sure sounds like Butz is the only thing worthwhile about it.
And it sounds like this show isn't doing Steggert any favors.
- Stop bringing that shit over here from ATC! It gets threads deleted you stupid fuckers.
- I'm betting Big Fish doesn't even make it to Christmas. Do they have any advance?
Can you imagine just the costs of hauling out all that scenery and costumes and lighting equipment??
- BIG FISH might yet survive a while. If a POS like KINKY BOOTS can find an audience, anything can happen.
- Do you really think Big Fish will close so soon? Catch Me if You Can, the last Norbert Leo Butz musical based on a film got middling reviews and lasted at least 6 months, although he did win the Tony.
- R354 I liked Kinky Boots. It was fun and the music was catchy. What sort of musicals do you like?
- Everybody say yeah! r356.
Each to their own but I thought it was truly awful.
- For BIG FISH to run, it needs a big infusion of cash...And word is no one is coming forward to write the check.
- Norbert is perfect, always.
chekky was not Sondheim.
- With the economy possibly going into freefall as a result of the government shutdown I think that Big Fish might not be the only show in danger.
- Has Andrew Lippa written a good score? Everything I've heard of his is either derivative or plain boring. I'm not familiar with all of his work so maybe there's something I've missed. If he keeps getting hired there must be something there, right?
- Lippa's musical theatre writing career is officially dead: Addams, Big Fish, Princess whatever...Three strikes, you're out. Back to arranging, cantoring...
- So after giving both BIG FISH and ADDAMS raves in Chicago, Chris Jones (of the Trib) has zero credibility now, at least when it comes to B'way bound musicals. Was he a paid shill all along? His over-the-top rave for BIG FISH seems very fishy in hindsight.
- Patiently waiting for the announcement of Zach Braff's departure from Bullets Over Broadway due to a "scheduling conflict" (aka severe lack of any discernible singing/acting/dancing talent).
- [quote]Chris Jones (of the Trib) has zero credibility now
To his credit, he warned us about PIRATE QUEEN.
- I hated Kinky Boots too and I like lots of musicals. The most cent musical I loved was A Christmas Story. And The Bodyguard in London wasn't perfect but Heather Headley is worlds better than Billy Porter.
- [quote]Heather Headley is worlds better than Billy Porter
I wonder if they've ever been up for the same part?
- Chris Jones was on target with Kinky Boots.
- Roundabout decides to go CHEAP with their CABARET revival:
Linda Emond IS Fraulein Schneider and Danny Burstein IS Herr Schultz!
That is all.
- Hiring Burstein is the one good bit of casting.
- And Emond is a wonderful actress.
- You may or may not like the idea of bringing back CABARET, but the casting thus far is great. I'm especially excited to see Williams.
- I'm sick and tired of Burstein playing roles for which he isn't age-appropriate.
- LOL R362, The Addams Family was a gusher during its high-grossing weeks on Broadway, and particularly on the road. Lippa made enough on that show/tour alone he could probably retire with reasonable comfort.
- I, too, cannot explain the popularity of Kinky Boots on Broadway. Is it Cyndi Lauper's name that tourists are connecting with? Do they just like saying the title...."Kinky Boots"?
I really don't get it.
What would attract tourists and non-theater types to Big Fish? Do people know that title? Will they like saying...."Big Fish"?
- big party in new york for Cheets tonight! who's going?
- r374: It never recouped on Broadway. Did it on the road?
- R376-John Kander will be there!
- Will Carol Lawrence be there to celebrate with Chita? Does Carol still act?
- [quote][R374]: It never recouped on Broadway. Did it on the road?
Nope. Nor did it make any money in Australia, Mexico or Brazil. I imagine it'll do well in publication, though.
- Do theatre composers actually "retire with reasonable comfort" based on one show alone, even a really successful one?
How much money can songwriters actually make in theatre (short of writing BOOK OF MORMON or PHANTOM)?
- R381, it's a feast or famine business.
If you write a genuine smash like A CHORUS LINE or LES MIZ you're rolling in it. It's like winning the lottery on a yearly basis. You can't spend it fast enough.
On the other hand, if you write something respectable but commercially unsuccessful like BLOODY, BLOODY ANDREW JACKSON, you might get two good years of decent S&A income and then it dwindles to a few thousand a year, tops.
And if you write a flop like ANNA KARENINA: THE MUSICAL, you get whatever advance they paid you upfront and that's pretty much it. Head to the train station.
By and large, it's all about volume. Has Glenn Slater ever had a hit? Not really, but add up all the LITTLE MERMAIDs and LOVE NEVER DIESs with their hefty advances and weekly minimums, and he probably lives pretty well.
- What is S&A income?
- S&A=stock and amateur.
- Thanks, R384.
- What's the back up for the Neil Simon? Big Fish will be lucky to make it to January. Shame. Talented cast.
- Watch FUN HOME take the Neil Simon, although it'll be swallowed up in there.
- Bryan Cranston can easily fill the Neil Simon, even if the LBJ show is shit.
- KINKY BOOTS is an awful, awful show.
Ickily homophobic in the way that only Harvey Fierstein can manage.
Of course, you fags who are still living in 1976 and making all your stupid offensive embarrassing tacky remarks about women will probably love it.
DL is full of woman haters. It's an epidemic, here.
- If Robert Wilson had directed Big Fish, it would have been a masterpiece. I wish he would do something a little more mainstream on Broadway; we could use his imagination and touch.
- I hate r389.
- If Robert Wilson directed "Big Fish" it would be 18 hours long. Six of those hours would involve tap-dancing fish.
- I saw KINKY BOOTS in Chicago, during its try-out run. I pegged the show as a flop. I never expected it to go onto NY and attain the success it's had.
I thought NY had better taste than us Midwest boys. Guess not.
- Big Fish should be a dinner theater show with an all seafood buffet.
To the tired queen who hates Kinky Boots, please girl, just die quickly so you don't bother anyone else with your ATC like thoughts.
- R394 They could do it in repertory with "The Little Mermaid."
- Hee, R392.
- The tired old queen? Many people, including me, in this thread hate Kinky Boots. It's a bad show.
- Many people in this thread hate everything, R397. Nothing special.
- Many people in this thread hate everything
- I'm sorry you didn't like our show, but it's selling out and we won the Tony, so it must not be the WORST show ever.
- And Norbert!
No one hates Norbert.
He. Is. Sublime.
- r400: Yes! Winning a Tony is a sure sign that a show is really, really good!
Yes! Selling lots of tickets is a sure sign that a show is really, really good!
- Kinky Boots is for the flyover crowd only.
Will Big Fish make it to Jan 1 or close earlier?
- I certainly don't hate everything, and I don't "hate" BOOTS. I just don't think it merits the success it has had.
- I'm sorry Kinky Boots has been a bigger success in it's first six months than your beloved Follies has been in the past forty years.
When is your show going "to work?"
- everybody dial it down, if we can be subjected to yearly attempts to make most of the sondheim catalog successful; you can survive the success of kinky boots
- Shouldn't Chicago Boy love Kinky Boots if it is for flyover folk?
- KINKY BOOTS is awful. It's entire artistic staff should be in jail.
Norbert, on the other hand, is a god.
- Kinky Boots is like watching an abortion onstage.
- An onstage abortion would at least piss off the religious right.
KINKY BOOTS was written to flatter smug Christians who hate the sin but not the sinner, and who think being queer is all about sequins.
It's a show that sets back gay rights 30 years.
The police should raid it and shut it down.
- Of course, if Norbert were in it, at least there'd be a reason to see it.
Norbert in Everything! Always and forever! From now on!
- I bet R410 is one of those gays who rants about the inclusion of Transgendered and Bisexual people into the gay movement. Everyone would love and accept R410 if it wasn't for those messy others, right?
Get over it, if they hate them, they hate you too.
- I don't hate everything, r398. I loved A Christmas Story most recently.
- "I'm sorry you didn't like our show, but it's selling out and we won the Tony, so it must not be the WORST show ever."
This is excellent logic!
- Kinky Boots or Memphis. Which is better?
- r412, your posting makes no sense!
Go home and write "simplicity" 500 times. . .
- [quote]Kinky Boots or Memphis. Which is better?
Neither. They are perfectly equivalent. One is to African Americans as the other is to homosexuals. Hackneyed preaching to a pre-moralised choir.
The lack of depth might all be worth it if there was some artistry on display. Or beauty. Or craft. Or wit. But there's just noise.
- KINKY BOOTS is mediocre, but compared to MEMPHIS it's MY FAIR LADY.
- [quote]Of course, if Norbert were in it, at least there'd be a reason to see it.
Of course, if Norbert were in it, it would have closed months ago.
- I hated Boots and was shocked when it won Tony's especially for the over the top histrionic drag queen performance by Billy Porter, he was HORRIBLE.
- Tony LOVES over-the-top muggy 'look-at-MEEE!' performances.
- Oh girls, Calm down. Kinky Boots is fun, a great audience pleaser, even if it's likeable and not lovable. Porter is fine: what was his Tony competition? Every so often a feel good show will triumph over a feel-bad dud. Matilda anyone?
- OK. Norbertz has done it again, and expertly, and with more breath left at the end than usual. But it's still the same limited performance from a hard worker. Tony time? Depends on what's coming up in the Spring...
- Sorry but I just do not get Butz!
Granted, I've only seen him on stage twice, in Dirty Rotten Scoundrels and Catch Me If You Can, but they were his Tony-winning performances. WTF?
Why is he considered so special??
- KINKY BOOTS proves one thing. The second act of HAIRSPRAY sucked, second act of KINKY sucks. Harvey cannot write second acts - so why is he hired?
- Anyone who doesn't get Norbert has a heart of stone.
KINKY BOOTS is a piece of shit, and not in a fun way.
Norbert has comic timing, he has humanity, he has grace, he moves better than any musical theater leading man currently working, his performances are layered and specific and real, he knows how to sell a song (especially important, given all the terrible songs people keep writing for him), he has a wonderful, interesting face that is both distinctive and at the same time somehow always different, he's sexy in a white-guy-straight-guy-dude-ly way, he has subtext, he's gorgeous and charming.
- His shows run.
- [quote] he's sexy in a white-guy-straight-guy-dude-ly way
What an awful turn of phrase.
- What an awful turn of a little vicious queen you are, 426.
- It's not Norbert's fault that nobody can write decent musicals, anymore.
He's one of the few Bway stars who consistently shows up in new work.
Lupone, McDonald, O'Hara, Esparza, Murphy, Foster: they're mostly revival queens, are they not?
Norbs puts new works out there. Too bad nobody can write him a decent score.
- I love Norbert too, r426. Did you see him in SPEED-THE-PLOW when he went on with something like two hours of rehearsal, script in hand? Wish I did.
- Foster's done more new work than revival.
- Fun with Norbert at the Strand.
- [quote] KINKY BOOTS proves one thing. The second act of HAIRSPRAY sucked, second act of KINKY sucks. Harvey cannot write second acts - so why is he hired?
Harvey didn't write the book of Hairspray. Tom Meehan and the late Mark O'Donnell did.
- [quote] when he went on with something like two hours of rehearsal, script in hand?
Why didn't Piven's understudy go on? It's not like Butz was going to placate angry Piven fans or lead to a spike at the box office.
- Norbert is a Luther Billis type let loose as a 21st Century leading man. He tries hard (too hard?), but it's pretty much the same huff and puff performance in all of the lackluster shows he gets attached to.
- Does Foster's work in the Encores ANYONE CAN WHISTLE not tip her towards revivalism? It's the only time I've really liked her. Ditto Donna Murphy. Actually, the Encores ANYONE CAN WHISTLE was the best musical I've seen in ten years.
r431, alas, I didn't see Norbs in STP. I saw Jordan Lage, is that his name? In the very first performance after Piven fled.
I saw Norbs in HOW I LEARNED TO DRIVE, which is a bad play, made worse by the terrible casting of whoever it was who played Mary Louise Parker. Butz was great. Tacky stupid play.
- Kinky Boots is a hate crime?
- When will that 100% straight musical comedy star, Colin Donnell return to Broadway?
- r437: Did you see him in IS HE DEAD? A very droll farce. He was terrific in it. He plays most of it in drag. A lesser actor would have camped it up, but Butz played it straight throughout, making it funnier and all about the play and not about him.
- People who hate Norbert will not get into heaven.
Just so you know.
KINKY BOOTS is worse than a hate crime. It's an incitement not to violence but to condescension: "Oh, the queers are just so cute." Fierstein pretended that the drag queen was in fact a straight guy, which: pfft. Doesn't matter. First off: like somebody said, the thing has no second act. Secondly, poor Stark Sands has a completely thankless role - and a sexless role. It's a musical that is void of sexuality, whose topic is ostensibly the open expression of sexuality.
Oh, it's just so fucking stupid. Take it away.
- Is the Norbit the new Esparza at DL?
- "It's a musical that is void of sexuality, whose topic is ostensibly the open expression of sexuality."
Very astute and spot-on.
- The Honeymoon in Vegas reviews are raves. The Palace in the Spring?
- But why does Honeymoon in Vegas look so crappy and unappealing in the Paper Mill photos online? I guess if the curtain goes up and gets down with no disasters, it's suitable for Broadway these days. And Tony Danza??? Oh well, at least it's not Norbert Leo, although the role sounds like one he could do more with than Tony has!
- r435, the understudy DID go on, for about a week, while they hunted for a "name" to take over. They got Bill Macy, but he wasn't available for about a month or so, so they got Norbert to fill in for that month. It was a rather awesome feat, for all involved (except for Piven the douchebag).
- Matt Smith from Doctor Who will be doing Duncan Sheik's American Psycho musical in London. I've never read the book, but I always assumed the character was supposed to be hot? This dude looks fug!
- I wish HBO would air the pilot The Miraculous Year with Norbert as a Broadway composer/meth addict. You'd think with Breaking Bad being over they'd want to fill the gap.
- Breaking Bad aired on AMC, not HBO.
- R444: Raves from who? The NYPost and Theatermania. Really? You think that's going to move it?
- r434 ooops, my bad. Sorry.
- Is Norbert still fat? He huffed and puffed through the dance numbers in
'Catch Me If You Can.' He always looks like he needs a bath.
Butz' hair piece
- Norbert's gay sister and lover were stabbed to death in their home a few years ago. Did they ever catch the intruder who murdered them?
- [quote]The second act of HAIRSPRAY sucked
Holy shit, why the fuck do you even bother seeing shows?
- No R452, he looks good - by no means does he have a tapered shape, but the the bulging stomach is gone.
- Nice to see the Norbert love here. A big talent, and a decent guy.
Plus I find him weirdly, animalistically sexy. I'd hit that in a heartbeat.
- R456. And He'd reject even quicker than a heartbeat!
- Norbert doesn't do revivals because he just doesn't fit into that Robert Preston/Alfred Drake/John Raitt mold.
- It never ceases to amaze me how many people out there consider themselves musical theatre fans but haven't liked a musical that has come out in the past 30 years.
- [quote] Norbert doesn't do revivals because he just doesn't fit into that Robert Preston/Alfred Drake/John Raitt mold.
Still - I bet he'd make a terrific Harold Hill.
- I think NLB is more the whatsisname type, Hill's sidekick.
- Norbs would make a great Harold Hill.
He was, by the way, duh, wearing padding in CATCH ME IF YOU CAN. That was not his gut.
There's no contradiction between liking musicals and hating every new musical produced on Bway in the past 30 years. In fact, these two things are one:
Anybody who loves musicals would naturally have to hate the crap that gets produced, ugh.
Going to see new musicals is a matter of infinite hope, and alas, all-too-finite disappointment.
- [quote]Going to see new musicals is a matter of infinite hope
- But unless Norbs becomes a big TV star, nobody with money to spare is going to finance his Harold Hill.
- [quote]But unless Norbs becomes a big TV star, nobody with money to spare is going to finance his Harold Hill.
Just what the world needs; a journeyman NY actor in a big budget revival.
- Norbert would be a great Nathan Detroit in an excellently different way than Nathan Lane was
He however doesn't make for great gossip
Let's move on
On the Broadway sex thread someone said Amy Spanger caught Michael Dexter Hall in bed with a man.
- excellently different?!
- "There's no contradiction between liking musicals and hating every new musical produced on Bway in the past 30 years. In fact, these two things are one...Anybody who loves musicals would naturally have to hate the crap that gets produced, ugh. Going to see new musicals is a matter of infinite hope, and alas, all-too-finite disappointment."
I'm having that engraved on my tombstone, r462!
- R449, yes, I'm aware that Breaking Bad was on AMC, not HBO. You apparently couldn't grasp my point.
- R462 is entitled to like what he/she likes, but can you imagine someone calling themselves a movie lover or fan when they haven't liked anything since 1983? Or any other popular cultural form?
And musicals are a popular cultural form, or they should be. They're not opera or classical ballet, nor should they be. New work keeps forms vital.
- R469- if that was your point, it was poorly written.
Moving along, Sutton has created roles in Millie, Little Women, Drowsy Chaperone, Young Frakenstine, and Shrek.
- [quote] Young Frakenstine
What did Sondhyme think of that show?
- R466- That was always the rumor and the reason the marriage broke up.Could it have been one of the chorus boys from CABARET or CHICAGO?
- [quote] I saw Norbs in HOW I LEARNED TO DRIVE, which is a bad play, made worse by the terrible casting of whoever it was who played Mary Louise Parker.
Cherry Jones IS Mary Louise Parker! in Drive, A New Musical.
- [quote]New work keeps forms vital.
Yes, when the new work is good. For the most part, it hasn't been for a couple of decades now. That said, I'm I could come up with a list of ten or so musicals I've seen since the late 80s up to today that felt, to me, like they were written with the kind of style and musicality that was common in the Golden Age. I don't mean "old-fashioned," I just mean really well-written shows. I'd list them, but then I'm sure there would be posts screaming "THAT was a piece of crap!"
So, for me, the musical is hanging on by a thread, but it IS hanging on.
- Matt Smith doing the "American Psycho" musical puts me in mind of Miley Cyrus at the VMAs.
- Just cuz I hate Kinky Boots doesn't mean I didn't like...
A Christmas Story
Thoroughly Modern Millie
When Pigs Fly
The Drowsy Chaperone
to name just a few.
- "That said, I'm I could come up with a list of ten or so musicals I've seen since the late 80s up to today that felt, to me, like they were written with the kind of style and musicality that was common in the Golden Age."
I would be very interested to hear this list, r475, since I must have missed most of them!
- Let's play. List your favorite/most highly regarded 10 new shows since 1983.
That means NO revivals/revisicals/what-have-you. None.
- Maybe it was with his castmate during Mr Marmalade, R473 R464. But who could it be?
- Well, I'm sure Cherry Jones is glad the heat is off her this week and all on NLB.
- Me too, 456. I'll bet he throws a hot, nasty, sweaty fuck. He has something like four our five kids so he's quite a potent lil' stud.
He's about as straight as they come.
Love his chunky, beefy little bod. I think he's FAR hotter than Cheyenne.
- Damn! I just went through Wikipedia's list of Musicals written after 1983, and I could not come up with any really great musicals. The only two that I could even bring myself to consider are Phantom and Grand Hotel.
- Okay (R479) - here are 10 I like and/or regard highly. Flame Away
Chess- for the score
City of Angels
Grand Hotel- for the staging
Titanic - again the score
A Man of No Importance
The Drowsy Chaperone
A Christmas Story
The Book of Mormon
- I'd stick WICKED and AVE. Q and HAIRSPRAY on that list, too. There are plenty of decent new musicals out there. KINKY BOOTS ain't one of them.
- Here are 10 musicals, post 1983, that I think have good to great elements: City of Angels, Once on this Island, The Full Monty, Urinetown, Hairspray, Avenue Q, Grey Gardens, Billy Elliot, The Book of Mormon, The Scottsboro Boys.
- OK, here is my list for the top 11 since 1983-- I am a big fan of shows from the Golden Age of Musicals, so shoot me.. I am older. ;) I'd rather see a good production of South Pacific, Cabaret, West Side Story or My Fair Lady (in fact I was in St. louis this past weekend to see My Fair Lady at Stages and Cabaret at St. Louis Rep) then just about anything out there now.
But I did come up with a list of 11 shows I did admire when I saw them in NY and a few on tour and or stock.
Here are my favorites since 1983:
1. Grand Hotel -a favorite. Saw it on Broadway, saw the tour twice and saw the Donmar production in London.
3. Titanic (score)
4. Kiss of the Spider Woman (score)
5. Crazy for You--- throwback to the golden age I know... but with a 90's sensibility, nod and wink to the golden age of musicals.
6. Curtains - pretty much anything by Mr. Kander
7. Thou Shall Not - for the campiness and Kate Levering's bed gymnastics.. Norbert was the best thing in this mess... but I am glad I saw it. Like The Red Shoes, TSN will never be done again.
8. Marie Christine- serious shit with Audra Ann! Glad I saw it. I like a good deal of the score.
9. The Producers - although one time was enough.
10. The Drowsy Chaperone --- a show for anyone who loves musicals.... and that includes me.
11. Light in the Piazza
- I would also add Grey Gardens to my list. Sorry!
- this all belongs on all that chat fangurls
this ain't gossip ladies
- [quote]Actually, the Encores ANYONE CAN WHISTLE was the best musical I've seen in ten years.
Wow. You need to see more shows.
ANYONE CAN WHISTLE is a freaking trendy mess of a show! It's unintelligible! I love "There's a Parade in Town", but I was unprepared for what an egg-headed mess it was when I saw the Encores production!
What's the latest on Rachelle Rak? Is she still the 'dealer' of 42nd Street?
dramedy, wanting to know if Cherry Jones is still drinking.
- How come Rachelle Rak hasn't done CHICAGO? She seems a perfect fit for "gin-soaked chorine".
- CITY OF ANGELS
KISS OF THE SPIDER WOMAN
STEEL PIER (for the score)
LIGHT IN THE PIAZZA
THE DROWSY CHAPERONE -a delightful bit of nothing
LEGALLY BLONDE (so sue me)
WOMEN ON THE VERGE. (Score only)
That's ten, and I don't have an eleventh.
- Kath Chalfant - who's her GF?
Ror O Malley - how's his liver?
- Norbs would also be good in a CITY OF ANGELS revival.
You forgot my cock!
- And everybody conveniently avoids the issue of Michael Arden cox pix. Patiently waiting......
- The Damn Yankees/Encores! production was one of the series' best ever.
- No Sunday in the Park or Into the Woods as post 1983 best musicals? Would be at the top of my list. However any praise for Billy Elliott escapes me. I thought it was one of worst things I have seen on any stage.
- I enjoyed Billy Elliot as I was seeing it, and loved the staging, but the score is completely unmemorable. Not bad, but not lasting.
- R446 Bill Macy? Maude's husband?
- From Colin Donnell's Twitter:
"I heard @ColtonLHaynes #askcoltonhaynes Q&A was going to be exclusively about what he was going to do to celebrate my birthday...soooo yeah."
- An all male CABARET set in modern-day Russia to focus on Russia's LGBT treatment? Performed for free in Seattle for a month. I can't believe they got the rights to make those changes.
- Yes, Norbert's sister (Teresa)'s murderer was caught and convicted. Eli Sanders wrote a number of fine stories in The Stranger.
- Has anyone seen The Snow Geese?
- William H. Macy, r501.
- r503, I would guess that the reason they're doing it for free is that they don't have the rights and they think that as long as they don't charge admission and make money off of it, they're allowed to perform whatever they want. (I'm sure somebody else here knows whether you can actually get away with that.)
- Norbert doesn't look like a model, but I find him very sexy. I like the beefy guy in general, and as someone earlier said, he looks like someone who would pound you like crazy. And he's in good shape. He showed part of his butt in Dirty Rotten Scoundrels, and he had some nice muscle there (unlike Brian D'Arcy James, who replaced him).
- r435...his understudy did go on for the first few weeks it was Jordan Lage of OZ nudity fame
- "I could come up with a list of ten or so musicals I've seen since the late 80s up to today that felt, to me, like they were written with the kind of style and musicality that was common in the Golden Age."
RESPONSE: "I would be very interested to hear this list, [R475], since I must have missed most of them!"
Maybe you "missed" them, or maybe you're just a reactionary idiot.
- All those musicals are crap.
I didn't exactly enjoy THE ADDING MACHINE, but it was interesting and smart.
That's about all I can come up with.
I confess I like a couple of songs from CITY OF ANGELS, and - I surprise myself - a couple songs from LEGALLY BLONDE.
But that's just digging around for SOMEthing.
Norbert by the way is not a hot piggy fuck like you queens all claim to want - though I doubt you'd know what to do with a gay man who wanted you (you're all deprivation addicts!).
Norbert is, rather, a tender, giving, slightly silly lover who needs to feel like you're his soulmate in order to want you (sun in Aquarius).
The Encores ANYONE CAN WHISTLE was sublime. First time I've liked Donna Murphy.
- How did you find a melody in "The Adding Machine," r511? There's not one to be had anywhere in that score.
- Didn't I say I didn't exactly enjoy it, r512?
I thought it was really well produced. David Cromer directing, of course.
- I think Norbert would be a great Hickey in ICEMAN.
- You've now proclaimed "all those musicals are crap." It would be instructive for us to hear what you think is a GOOD musical, r513. Time period doesn't matter.
- What the fuck is "Legally Blonde" doing in a discussion of decent musicals written since 1983?
- Uh Oh. Riedel's got it out for Big Fish. Says it isn't long for this world.
- Gee r511, and I thought I was pretentious!
PS Whistle at Encores was a sloppy mess. It is a show that is unsalvageable with a little lady (Sut) who could be selling fish on Fulton Street.
PPS Legally Blonde is shit from the first note.
- Erm, R483? The Rink?
- R519, Certainly NOT the Rink!
I considered "Romance/Romance", but I bet it does not hold up well, just like "Baby". I did not consider shows that have great scores, but fail in every other regard such as "Chess". I also, did not consider European musicals. I don't think one can consider "Crazy for You" as a new musical. If I could it would be on my list, but that is twisting reality a bit too far.
There are also a lot of musicals, mostly off Broadway, that are just fine (Reefer Madness, Trailer Park Musical, etc.)but are hardly representative of the strength of the American musical post 1983.
- Re Riedel's column: Is Lippa really a part of that three-named composer movement? He always felt like someone trying to be old-fashioned and charming, but lacking the talent to pull it off.
In any event, it must suck to be Lippa this morning.
- r511 is a fucking dick.
- I've enjoyed City of Angels, Kiss of the Spider Woman, Ragtime, The Wild Party (lachuisa), and major elements of a few others
- City of Angels - wildly overrated snoozer of a show.
- I want to like City of Angels cuz there are some good songs, but it just never gels.
- "Production sources say everybody fiddled around the edges of the show, but never solved the big problem, Andrew Lippa’s score, which came in for a drubbing.
The Post’s Elisabeth Vincentelli, who hails from Corsica, called his score “witless junk,” adding that “those who heard his disposable contribution to ‘The Addams Family’ can’t say they weren’t warned.”
(Whoa! Talk about a Corsican vendetta!)
Lippa’s a nice guy, and I hate to dance on his grave, but the music’s playing and I’ve got a column to fill.
He’s one of these young(ish) composers who are all Sondheim and no tunes. Jason Robert Brown’s another one, though I hear his score to “Honeymoon in Vegas” is surprisingly catchy. Ricky Ian Gordon is one, too. They’re smart, accomplished musicians, but if you put a gun to their heads, they wouldn’t be able to write “Happy Birthday.”
Years ago, they all contributed songs to Audra McDonald’s CD “Way Back to Paradise,” about which a legendary Broadway producer said, “If you want to know what’s wrong with the American theater, buy Audra McDonald’s new CD.”
- Whether you like it or not: HEDWIG!
Saw that one about 14 times downtown (all the NYC Hedwigs but Ally Sheedy), have the (autographed) OCR, and introduced a number of friends to the show, who also became huge fans.
And, of course, it counts as a Broadway show pretty soon.
- Wow, Riedel REALLY eviscerated BIG FISH - unfairly. It has its charms, and it is miles better than "successes" like THE ADDAMS FAMILY, MAMMA MIA, ETC.
- I'm r511, and I love being called a fucking dick! My dick is flattered, my fucking is treated as if it were worthy of comment! So DL has its uses.
I hated CITY OF ANGELS. Merely confessed that I thought a couple of its songs were okay.
LEGALLY BLONDE I didn't see, but: I must be honest, and say I admit that one of the songs on its cast album stuck in my head for a couple hours.
HEDWIG has a couple of catchy songs, okay. It worked onstage, but the movie hauled all its flaws out into the light, alas.
I wish I'd seen THE WILD PARTY.
My favorite musical of all time is just the most obvious choice, and it will give me away at once as a dullard with a keen grasp of the obvious, but I guess it's A LITTLE NIGHT MUSIC, which not even the recent lugubriously unfunny and weirdly slow British revival failed to ruin. Beautiful score, and one of the few Bway musicals with a book that doesn't want you to shoot heroin into your veins and spurt blood on the theater seats as the needle goes in. We can thank Ingmar Bergman for the book!
Sondheim hates Alan Jay Lerner, but he had 8 wives! ("Marriage was Alan's way of saying good-bye," said Lerner's last ex-wife.) I try to do what SJS tells me to do (no, I'm not a leather bottom, just a silly theater queen), but: I have a sappy weakness for Lerner & Lowe, and PAINT YOUR WAGON is my favorite-score-from-a-musical-I've-never-seen.
I wish I could love PAL JOEY, but I don't think it'll ever work without Gene Kelly or Harold Lang.
I wish Adam Guettel weren't so "sad." And earnest.
GREY GARDENS: why? Sorry. It's a smug show.
You know, I'm a child of Sondheim, so. I have a little weakness for TENDERLOIN, though. I wish somebody'd revive WHOOP UP, whatever. So sue me. I have my tacky moments in public facilities, am I supposed to die alone? The score for COMPANY is my favorite favorite score but the book is embarrassing. I really really liked the Encores ANYONE CAN WHISTLE, and the problem with Bway theater today is that nobody dragged it to a Broadway theater.
I love some songs from FINIAN'S RAINBOW. I kind of wish I'd seen HAPPY HUNTING.
I could go on, but you already hate me. . .
- I think by "failed to ruin," I meant "managed to ruin," but maybe my subconscious is telling me that I did in fact think that Trevor Nunn ruined it. He took a musical based on an Ingmar Bergman film and decided to "find the angst in it!" You konw? "Oh, I have a revolutionary idea! It's Bergman, but this time, we're gonna play it as if it were depressing!" Nunn completely misunderstand the show, which was staged as if it were Ibsen's GHOSTS.
- OKay, I'm late to the party, but Saw Glass Menagerie last night. WTF?
Jones has a couple of good scenes but otherwise flaps around the stage for two hours like Butterfly McQueen.
Quinto never came across as a writer, or more importantly, a dreamer. Framing him with twinkling lights and having him gaze into black goo doesn't make him a dreamer. He came across as gay.
I never believed the GCaller loved his fiancee, and if I don't why should Laura? - and she should or else her heartbreak seems half-baked.
Why does Tom blow out the candles at the end?
What are Amanda and Laura nowhere in sight at the end?
Why is Laura swallowed up by a couch out of PeeWee's Playhouse?
Why do Amanda and Laura set the dinner table like two actors doing Kabuki theater?
Why has the director ignored Tennessee Williams' script?
Why has every critic lost his senses over such a ho-hum production?
Why did I feel nothing?
- TOM IS GAY.
You self-loathing fags.
If he comes across as gay, that's because he's gay.
What is wrong with you motherfuckers? Why do you hate yourselves, and women, so much?
- By the way, how do you "come across as a writer?" Are all writers the same? Do they wear funny hats, so you can identify them? Have you met a writer, r531?
Who ignored Williams's script? Every word that's there, is there. William's SCRIPT, by the way, says that there should be subtitles projected on the back wall of the theater announcing each scene. "Deception" flashes on the theater wall, and Amanda says, "Deception!" I bet if this production had done that, you'd be saying, "Why did they violate Williams's script with the tacky projections?"
Maybe the Genlteman Caller is also gay, dude. Did that ever cross your mind? No: because: you prefer to see plays in which the only gay characters are the ones who ACT GAY. Whatever that means. One interpretation of the GCaller is that he's pretending he has a fiance because he's a closeted queer. It's possible, yes? Maybe he and Tom are doing it! Let's hope.
Maybe you felt nothing because you're empty inside, and you hate even what's not in there.
- [quote]HEDWIG has a couple of catchy songs, okay. It worked onstage, but the movie hauled all its flaws out into the light, alas.
Yeah. I didn't see how they could make it into a movie...and it didn't really catch what I loved about the show. Still, I'd like to see Stephen Trask do another SHOW.
And R532, I totally agree with that. I thought int his production there was a believable sexual tension between Tom & Jim, and Tom seemed a bit heartbroken to be called away from his friend & leave Jim and Laura alone.
- R529 I LOVE YOU and your choices
- r535, kisses and kisses.
(Mostly I make really bad choices, though, if you were thinking of proposing, or something.)
- "We can thank Ingmar Bergman for the book!"
If you're crediting Bergman for having created the source material, sure, give thanks. But the Wheeler adaptation is different from the screenplay in just about every way. Structure, characterization, plot, theme, mood...all have been modified and (I suspect) personalized by Wheeler for musical treatment.
- [quote]Still, I'd like to see Stephen Trask do another SHOW.
Anyone who's ever tried to work with Stephen Trask might disagree.
- Oh, duh, r537, thanks for telling me the truth! Gosh, I thought Bergman wrote a musical!
Um, yeah, hello? I know who did the adaptation.
Are you queens incapable of subtlety? Indirection? Metonymy?
Sure, it's not Bergman's screenplay. But the source material is so great - SMILES OF A SUMMER NIGHT is one of the greatest of all movies, if you ask me - that even a Bway hack couldn't fuck it up.
- [quote]But the source material is so great - SMILES OF A SUMMER NIGHT is one of the greatest of all movies, if you ask me - that even a Bway hack couldn't fuck it up.
- "Oh, honestly" what, Miss Thing?
SMILES OF A SUMMER NIGHT is a great film. The only Sondheim shows with books that work are based substantially on movies or plays that work: SWEENEY TODD, ALNM. FUNNY THING is sort of Plautus. COMPANY and FOLLIES have impossibly stupid and tedious books. And James Lapine can't write a play.
- Jesus, this thread is SHIT.
Where's the KZ Troll or the mlop troll when you need 'em?
Let's try and get this back on track. Aladdin? They getting that carpet to work right? Will the scent of a group-of-friends buddy comedy take some of the heat off the fact that the Genie isn't the draw here?
All The Way? Needs 45 minutes worth of cuts that it will never get. And maybe some recasting?
Ok, I covered the "A"s...
- What's wrong with this thread, r542? Not enough mindless chatter about naked feet for you? Not enough misogynist trashing of powerful women? I find this thread refreshing! I don't know what your problem is.
- Re: ALNM. I happen to be reading 'Peter Hall's Diaries.' Came across this entry:
"Musicals do so patronise the audience...This one is an example. The Bergman film 'Smiles of a Summer Night' is reduced to a corpse of elegance, wit and outrageousness. It's stylish enough to delight the middle class, and naughty enough (there are many jokes about underwear) to deliver the odd sexual frisson.
"Jean Simmons is wonderful, a star performer. She alone is worth the admission money; nothing else. Sondheim's lyrics are witty, camp and brilliant, but the music is abysmal: turgid and perpetual 3/4 and frantic 6/8, then sudden daring chromaticism to show the musical theatre has caught up with Richard Strauss."
(24 June 1975.)
Miaow! (He didn't like 'Sweeney Todd' either.) I do wonder what Sir Peter, still with us at 83, thinks of Sondheim - his exact contemporary - now. Interesting that Sir Trevor Nunn, Hall's younger peer and friend, who directed the recent ALNM in London, speaks of Sondheim in the same breath as Shakespeare and Chekhov.
- I was commenting on your assumption that there was anything a Broadway hack couldn't destroy. In doing so I made reference to a musical disaster based on one of the world's oldest masterpieces. What is there to not understand about that?
- Sorry, forgot to identify myself. I'm r540 and r545. I wouldn't want r541 to get confused, since he doesn't seem too quick.
- oh dear r533 is having a relapse.
- Girlfriend, r546, what part of "Oh, honestly" - which was the extent of your comment - did you imagine was impossible to misinterpret?
True, there's nothing a musical theater hack can't destroy. And while I sort of agree with Peter Hall's assessment of ALNM - thanks, r544! - I also sort of agree with Trevor Nunn's!
Anyway, ALNM at leas has a coherent plot and it is not one of those books that consists entirely of lines that tell you exactly what the plot is.
- r547, I think I asked a reasonable question in response to a stupid comment:
What does it mean to "come across as a writer?" Is there a writer type? Do all writers seem like writers? What should Quinto have done, worn a jazz hat like he lived in Brooklyn and clutched a copy of a Paul Auster novel? Or what?
- Why the hostility, r539? No was calling your erudition into question. I was just making conversation and responding to your ambiguous final statement. Sheesh.
- The stupidity and the misogyny of most of these theater threads make me very huffy, r550.
Can't stand DL's misogyny - its gleeful misogyny, it's CELEBRATION of misogyny.
Jesus, it's just beyond my grasp.
Hatred of women is the root cause of homophobia.
Please get a fucking clue.
Are you the same "It's killing us" poster from last year?
- How do we know Laura believes the Gentleman Caller is not in love with his fiance? All we need to believe is that she knows he's not going to be her salvation, for whatever reason.
- r551, misogyny IS killing us, it's killing queers in countries around the world, and you know that very well if you read the news.
- "I never believed the GCaller loved his fiancee, and if I don't why should Laura? - and she should or else her heartbreak seems half-baked."
What a loopy comment. First of all, if Jim doesn't wax poetic and romantic about his fiancee, Betty, in front of Laura and Amanda, maybe it's out of respect for their feelings and not because he doesn't really love Betty.
Also, as someone else pointed out: Even if Laura believes Jim DOESN'T really love Betty, why would that lessen her heartbreak? Jim isn't going to see Laura again in either case.
- Fisticuffs on the set of American Horror Story: Coven". Seems Patti and Gabourey Sidibe both reached for the last corn dog at the catering truck and fur flew. It was overheard I'm Patti LuPone and I always get the last corn dog! Just ask Klausner!"
- I've asked this before but got no answer: is Julie Klausner related to Teri Klausner?
- Lawyers for Kander, Ebb's estate and Tams-Witmark are looking into that Seattle all male version of CABARET set in Russia. It may not happen after all.
- If there hasn't been a musical good enough for you since nineteen eighty fucking three, maybe you should look for a new hobby?
- The problem with "The Glass Menagerie" is that there is not enough tittie shaking in that show. The best show since 1983 was "The Life" cause it had LOTS of tittie shaking. If Cherrie Jones shook some tittie, you'd have a big hit on your hands! But not that crip that plays the little stupid glass loving crippled girl - we don't need no tittie shaking from her.
- ok, shoot me, but I loved TOMMY.
- I liked PASSION too. The original, that is.
- The original PASSION was a death trap.
- TOMMY is not exactly a new musical.
- Passion had one fine set of titties in it!! Revive that mutha!
- Why were Marin's tits drooping so low in the opening scene of Passion in 1994?
- I think it is irrelevant whether the Gentleman Caller is in love with his fiance. To me the implication is that he knocked her up and has to get married. It certainly is in the script that he is ambivalent about the marriage, if not actually trapped.
- Emma Thompson as Mrs. Lovett. Could be great.
- But does she have the range?
- She's done musicals.
- What a waste it would be to have Emma Thompson opposite non-actor Terfel. Just give it to Bernadette Peters, then they can both be terrible together.
- It's not "would be." It "will be." Announced today.
- I hope OP is currently prepping #123, as it's desperately needed to get us off to a better start for the next thread. Hard to say why this got so bent out of shape, but it sure as fuck did. Better luck for the next one! Lovingly,
- Why is Norbert out of BIG FISH tonight?
- Norbert out of Fish until Dr. says he can return. With 10 out of 12's, doing publicity, rehearsals during the day during previews, the pressure of critics, having to carry the show as the star attraction, it has got to take it's toll on him and others. Wish him a speedy recovery. This is just another nail in the coffin for the show.
- R554, why do you keep coming here if it bothers you so much?
Just LEAVE. Go listen to your Sondheim albums and stew in your own juices elsewhere.
- [quote]ok, shoot me, but I loved TOMMY. and PASSION.
How ironic, since most people who saw PASSION wanted to shoot themselves.
- Do you suppose Norbert sang and hoofed it just a little too exuberantly? That's his MO, so he's probably worn out and a little disheartened about the notices.
- The Amazing Adele...Whoop-Up...Cry for Us All...then there was Passion. Dogs all.
- [quote]Go listen to your Sondheim albums and stew in your own juices elsewhere.
I don't think listening to Sondheim is much of an escape from misogyny.
- I love the score to Cry For Us All and Joan Diener's and Helen Gallagher's vibrato.
- Link to Emma Thompson announcement
- Reading those 10 Best lists make me realize I haven't liked much since 1983.
Favorites would be Grand Hotel, Urinetown, and The Book of Mormon but none of the love is due to their scores.
And Jersey Boys.
- Where is tyler maynard and why won't he revitalize American musical theater?
- As soon as he'd revitalize it, he'd stash it back at his apartment.
- The show itself had some problems, but the score to GREY GARDENS is the most ravishing theater score of the last few years.
And "Another Winter in a Summer Town" is a masterpiece.
- You will not get any argument from me about that opinion r587! I saw the show 4 times, including its final Broadway performance.
- One of the most boring shows of the fall has to be The Film Society. Euan Morton is such a bad actor, and 2 playing the couple are yawners, too. The only person to liven the play up is Roberta Maxwell.
Did anyone see the Nathan Lane original? Was it this deadly dull?
- No one on this thread has an ounce of taste. Gret Gardens? Ravishing? In what universe??
- "The show itself had some problems, but the score to GREY GARDENS is the most ravishing theater score of the last few years.
And "Another Winter in a Summer Town" is a masterpiece."
I wouldn't call it ravishing but the Grey Gardens score is certainly the most accomplished in years. But it can't be separated from the totally misconceived show for which it was written, so the songwriters are accountable for its failure as well.
- That's MISS Mary to you, r592!
- R589-The original FILM SOCIETY was a beautiful production, and Nathan Lane and Daniel Gerroll were exceptional.
This revival is a train wreck. And I lay the blame at that hack director's smelly feet.
- Can somebody shut that smug pompous know-it-all ryhog up??
- Oh, ryhog may be acerbic but he knows what he's talking about. Unlike others on the name-that-shall-not-be-mentioned site who think they are a walking encyclopedia because they've learned how to master google. Sad, sad, sad.
- Ryhog doesn't know as much as he thinks he does. And he can be pretty obnoxious.
- "Ryhog doesn't know as much as he thinks he does."
Not surprising since he thinks he knows absolutely everything!
- ryhog sounds fat to me