Started on request at end of Season Two thread.
Enjoyed the first episode. Back to Season 1 style drama. But what the hell happened to Madeleine Stowe? I guess she's aging naturally. But boy is she aging.
it started already?? when?
It's all still a little confusing. I must say, though, they have the best costume design on this show. Everyone always looks so good.
Well, I posted this on the older thread, but since there's a new one...
I watched this for the first time tonight. It made a reasonable about of sense, considering I'd not been watching.
Is there someplace I can get an update of what's happened thus far that's not too long? Or do I need to bother?
I'm watching it now on "look back" feature on abc. wow, that stable boy is cute!
Wasn't Charlotte pregnant when we left off?
Victoria Grayson's forehead and fabulous wardrobe.
When Charlotte first arrives and talks to her mother, Victoria mentions something about her losing Declan and the baby... not sure if they just wanted to drop that storyline like the dropped the one about The Initiative (or whatever it was called, that secret organization of rich people), or if it's going to be addressed later. Charlotte does seem like she has her own revenge thing going this year.
Nice shirtlessness from Josh Bowman and Green Arrow tonight. Looks like they're going to play up the hot guy angle this year.
R2, if tonight's show was confusing to you, you're a moron.
And OP, Madeleine Stowe looked fine. Your exaggeration is ridiculous.
Tonight's episode was strong, btw.
Josh Bowman is so damn Hot!
R8, he's pretty cute. But he dated Amy winehouse! and miley! he's probably got herpes now...
I vote for a Nolan and stable boy hookup!
As we all had commented, the "Initiative" crap went way too far. At least they seemed to have acknowledged that. These are new showrunners, right? The show *felt* a little different.
I stopped watching last season, but if buzz is good I'd be happy to pick it up again. The show has a lot of good will from me as Nolan a lead male character who is bisexual is something you (sadly) never ever see.
I have a feeling this will be the last season. After the steep ratings fall last spring, I can't see the show recovering in terms of numbers.
[quote]it started already?? when?
It aired opposite the Breaking Bad finale, so nobody was paying any attention.
Wasn't Homeland also on at that time as well as football? I doubt it will even crack a 2 in the demo.
[quote]Wasn't Homeland also on at that time
And Boardwalk Empire, and The Good Wife.
I laughed when Emily and Nolan agreed never to mention the words Initiative or Carrion ever again, thus resetting the whole series back to the first season.
Is it safe to go in again if you missed 90% of season 2? I caught a little bit of it during Good Wife's commercials. The thing that impressed me most was how cheap the background behind Amanda/Emily's house looked. Long Island Sound/Atlantic Ocean...right.
[quote] The thing that impressed me most was how cheap the background behind Amanda/Emily's house looked.
That's part of its campy charm.
IIRC, it didn't look cheap like that in season 1.
This season premiere was certainly not as hyped as season 2. ABC royally screwed up last season with scheduling and ruined any momentum for OUAT and Revenge.
So Declan is really dead? I thought for sure they would have had Victoria faking his death and hiding him somewhere.
And am I the only one who thinks "Patrick" is a plant by Emily and not the real son?
Definitely a re-boot back to season 1. A flash forward to a dramatic shooting, no more initiative, X-ing out someone's face on a photo after revenge has been served.
Hopefully they'll go back to getting rid of someone each week in some dramatic fashion- I'm guessing the French woman will be a target for revenge soon enough.
It could be a step up from season 2.
It was the worst episode in 3 seasons. AWFUL!
I stopped watching less than midway into Season 2, I think when Fauxmanda died. Can someone recap important things I missed that I need to know before watching Season 3?
r25, nothing. As they said last night, "we won't mention it again".
Ashley's exit was poorly done. It felt very rushed.
They tried to recreate that season 1 magic but they failed, IMO. I don't think they can fully recover after that mess of season 2 (same thing that is happening with Homeland).
Was Homeland REALLY as bad as Revenge?
Totally agreed, R27. I expected to see the words "Later that same day" across the bottom of the screen.
Nolan and Patrick in bed together is pretty much the only thing that I could look forward to this season.
Madeline Stowe looks "refreshed"...
I think it's the last season, because Emily gets shot at the end, as they showed in the first scene.
Does anyone else think that Henry Czerny is TERRIBLE in this show? He's so phony, wooden and weird. He takes me out of the story every time he's on the screen.
Madeline Stowe has had no storyline on this show.
Henry Czerny is Canadian who has played Stratford multiple times.
The final episodes of Homeland's second season were almost parody. I guess all the undeserved Emmy wins for the first season went to their heads, so the writers thought they could do no wrong.
Revenge's problems started when Kelly decided to kill Tyler instead of Daniel. I don't believe for one second the "that was the plan all along!" story. They (miraculously) made Daniel seem interesting at first so he became a fan favorite.
The only good thing to come out from season 2 was Aiden. The man is super hot and a much better love interest for Emily than idiot Daniel and boring Jack. Unfortunately, Aiden is still linked to that godawful "initiative" storyline, so I don't see him lasting long.
I feel the same way about Gabriel Mann, r31. Nolan was fun in the beginning, but now Mann is just in a whole different level. So incredibly self-aware with the odd pauses, weird line readings, the mugging. He was especially bad last night with his cheesy "Nolan 2.whatever" and "Ashley Daven-deported".
Revenge is not Shakespeare, but Stowe pulls the campy style just fine.
Charlotte was perfectly fine!! Even though she lost her bf AND had a miscarriage, all in the last 6 months. She even has a new haircut!
We'll never hear the words 'Carrion' or 'initiative' again.
Damn, the writers REALLY want us to forget season 2.
[quote]Henry Czerny is Canadian who has played Stratford multiple times.
What does his being Canadian have to do with anything? Plus, Shakespearean actors are often the WORST people to put in front of a camera.
The premiere ratings actually impressed, and it was way up from the abysmal spring decline.
If it can maintain without another steep drop, it will get another season.
sometimes shows have such magic
and then ...gone!
Does anyone miss Connor Paolo yet?
Not me R39
I miss Declan, he was the best part of the show.
I don't think a cast of a tv show has aged so much in just three years as this group. Madeleine Stowe should NOT wear her hair pulled back. She looked like a cadaver. And the veins in her forehead are so pronounced. She is still a beautiful woman but she is looking rather grandmotherly. Gabriel Mann looks ill. He used to be so cute.
I too think the son is too convenient. I think it will revealed that Hartley's character is an imposter working with Emily.
[quote]Does anyone else think that Henry Czerny is TERRIBLE in this show? He's so phony, wooden and weird. He takes me out of the story every time he's on the screen.
He's OK for the character; I mean, it's only Revenge. He's a fine film actor. But the important thing is that he's a hot daddy. Did you see his chest in that hospital scene?
If I could choose one straight actor to be gay it'd be Justin; he came off kinda fey as Fox on Passions, but I guess that's just because he was super rich.
The "whisper voice" that Amanda/Emily and Nolan use are so affected.
She never speaks at regular volume. It's always this affected, whispery, somber tone. Nolan speaks softly as well but when the two of them talk to each other it's a hoot...
"Whisper, whisper, Ems"... . "Wihisper, whisper, Nolan"...
I have a push/pull with the show. I start to get into it and then it seems to get boring. And just when I'm about to write it off, it pulls me in a little again. Sigh...
So what has actually changed? An exec producer or the writers?
"I miss Connor Paolo!" said no one ever.
What casting director looked at Connor Paolo and decided that he was the right actor for that part? Does Connor swallow is that what's going on here?
I like Conor Paolo. Not enough to watch Season 2, but I like him. Maybe Victoria has him stowed in a dungeon somewhere in the basement.
I liked him more as Eric Van Der Woodsen.
the guy who plays Jack isn't very tall.
And Connor is even shorter.
On most TV shows younger brothers are shorter than big brothers so that probably played a big factor in Connor getting the part.
So what happened to Ashley?
r52, they always shoot him from a different angle in scenes with Emily Vancamp.
Nolan looks good this season. It's the haircut.
This show is almost as subtle as "the Sun Also Sets."
Love that we have the gay Nolan back! And his "date" was hot.
The show is getting exciting again - even with Josh Bowman's accent all over the place.
Why is Aiden so hell bent on getting back at Emily? I don't remember what happened to drive them apart.
[quote] I stopped watching less than midway into Season 2, I think when Fauxmanda died. Can someone recap important things I missed that I need to know before watching Season 3?
Forget season 2. Just know that the initiative doesn't exist anymore. They are dead. Conrad is the governor of NY, but he just stepped down from office because he thinks he has Huntington's Disease. I kind of forgot what happened with Aiden and Emily. Aiden killed Mr Takeda because he found out that Takeda was only using Emily and Aiden to get back at the Graysons because his girlfriend was killed in the flight that Dave Clark was accused of bringing down in a terrorist attack. Aiden wanted he and Emily to go off together and forget the revenge scheme. She didn't want to and so I think that is why they fell out with each other. Now he wants revenge. Jack went to go kill Conrad because he thinks he is behind his wife the fake Amanda's death, but Emily stopped him and she revealed to him that she is the real Amanda. He is mad about her deceiving him and he thinks she shouldn't try to get revenge for her father.
We had hints about a mystery regarding Jack and Dec's mother. Any follow-up? (Safe to say we can write Jennifer Jason-Leigh off as Em/Amanda's mom)
Much better than season 2 so far.
I dunno... It's hard getting into this season so far. I watched season 2, but it really threw the show off for me. The momentum is kind of gone.
At least Nolan is back to being gay this season.
It is much better than last season, but you have to wonder what in the hell they were thinking when they were writing last season. Were they trying to make the Grayson's pawns, so that they would be more viable and less evil? Thus the creation of the Initiative? And why have Nolan have a female love interest last season? I bet that was network dictated.
Last season seemed like a mess of too many ideas and perhaps too many "cooks in the kitchen".
I like that so far, these 2 episodes have been more focused and character-driven. This show is not meant to be so broad.
What happened to the Grayson's money? That is what I cannot remember from last season.
The Emily/Patrick hotel scene surprised me. I was almost certain he was working for/with her as an imposter son.
[quote]What happened to the Grayson's money? That is what I cannot remember from last season.
I think the Graysons put all their money into the Amanda Clark foundation, and Nolan used his Carrion program to siphon it all out.
Ratings dropped significantly. This will probably be the last season.
Did that French chick play a flight attendant on PAN AM?
Right on r70. I couldn't place her during the season premiere, but I figured it out last night (before she stripped down and fucked what's his name).
I never noticed until this season how much Christa Allen looks like a young Barbara Hershey:
I thought the season opener was quite weak. Was expecting some whoa moment and didn't really get it. The scene on the boat with Emily going down in her wedding dress didn't do it for me. The second episode was a lot stronger imo. It really is more character driven. I always like that.
Did Revenge get a full season order? Wouldn't be surprised if they just do 13 episodes and then be done with it.
I think Nolan was always established as being bisexual and the show chose to have him betrayed by a woman last season. Maybe they were concerned about some sort of backlash if the culprit was a man.
You are correct that Nolan has always been established as bisexual R74, the show has never waivered from that point.
I've thought these two episodes were quite promising. It does seem more focused. The takedowns of characters are back but they are also more involved as we see with the Priest carrying over.
I like Aiden aiding Victoria. He is a giving her a real reason to hate Emily which has always been missing. I like her knowing the shading things going on with her and Nolan.
Overall I find this season to look promising and this is coming from someone who stopped watching like 2/3rds of the way through season 2.
She does R72. Good call!
I think that the show is almost as good as the first season.
I don't see how this show can last for more than a few more years. How many more people can she take revenge on before it all blows up on her?
It will almost certainly end this season. ABC will definitely be "re-building" next season, probably with more limited series.
Did we just see a little spark between Nolan and Patrick at the yacht club?
Patrick seems like someone else who will use Nolan.
I finally feel the way I did at the end of every episode in season 1.....sorry that I have to wait another week for another one! It is the best improvement of a show that fell off the mark that I have ever seen.
I too am pleasantly surprised that I am enjoying the show again.
Feels like they are seeing of a Nolan/Patrick thing could work.
The way those scenes went last night, someone like me sees them as 2 dudes that can't wait to get into bed together. But people less inclined to look for a gay subtext would see their scenes together as hostile or macho assholes trying to one up each other.
As far as I can remember, they haven't shown or indicated that Patrick has either had past (or current) girlfriends or boyfriends. So the show can still go either way with him.
r83, I doubt even people not looking for gay subtext would see Nolan as macho.
[quote] It will almost certainly end this season.
That's not even remotely "certain", "highly unlikely" is more the case, according to TvByTheNumbers, which rates it as "likely renewal." The highest rating possible for shows that haven't been renewed yet, and very few are renewed this early.
I'm getting into the show again too. You have to be in the mood to absorb a lot of information, because the plot is as complex as ever, but that's the fun of it.
Yes, Season 3 has been great so far. Emily has been so in-your-face and brash when she hits out at her enemies now - her anger and bitterness seems to have been amped up 100%. That party scene where she totally humiliated Victoria was awesome.
The show is still capable of surprises and some depth. The subplot with the priest allowed them to have Emily wrestle with the consequences of her revenge a bit, and Aiden, well, I'm glad it's working out as it is. That boy is sex on a stick.
They really dropped the supposed "great love" from season 1 that Emanda felt for Jack.
Are Patrick and Nolan gonna get it on or what?!
Finally, Nolan and Patrick kiss! That actor playing Patrick is so fucking hot.
Emily and Aiden have better chemistry than she and Jack or she and Daniel do. Hopefully writers will go with them for endgame if a happy ending is in the works.
The priest, played by James LeGros (sp?), got top billing under guest stars for playing a corpse in the prologue.
That was interesting.
The kiss between Patrick and Nolan was great.
I hated season 2.
Fucking hated it.
Finally - our suspicions about Patrick have been confirmed...at least partially.
Yeah, great episode tonight. Patrick is cute, Nolan is cool. I don't really like Aiden. I like her with Daniel.
The show is much better in terms of pacing and character.
I wasn't sure until yesterday. But after last night's episode I'm almost certain that Patrick is straight and following his own agenda.
Much better than last year, but they are in the third year of a concept that should not really be stretched beyond one series. It seems like they are just going in circles and filling time until they can do the big reveal.
I hope you're wrong r97, Nolan's lovers always seem to have ulterior motives. It'd just be a replay of the grifter from the first season using him.
I agree, R98.
The guy playing Patrick has a great body but his face is nothing particularly special and he's a very bland actor. Must be Canadian.
Damn. Patrick and Nolan. Yum!!
damn , they've pulled me in! just hate "Ems" , such an unlikable character but loving me some Nolan.
sure BOTH he and Patrick have some agenda(s) but hope it's like Emily & Aidan , they stay involved.
This show is hanging by a thread in terms of numbers, which is surprising given it is much better as a whole than last season. There is stiff competition, but if it sinks any lower, ABC won't renew it.
It's not easy for a show to recover a from a dip in ratings it went through last season, especially now where there is so much competition in TV and getting high ratings is hard. People liked it, then didn't like so they moved on to something else.
Those of us who kept watching appreciate it got better, but thats the problem, not a lot of people kept watching and you aren't going to get them to tune back in unless the buzz go to level where this show just simply isn't going to get to.
I love the actor that plays Jack. Very sexy
It does have very stiff competition, and that is the reason for the low numbers. But Revenge is lucky it have made to the 3rd season, now the network is weighing the issue of syndication in whether or not they renew. Plenty of low rated shows are renewed so they can keep producing episodes for future syndication. They are also begging to be moved to the 10pm slot so they don't have to go head to head with Walking Dead anymore. Betrayal is flopping hard, so the spot will be open next year.
i am loving this season! I am thrilled they listened to real viewers a la Nielsen buddies and dropped the Initiative. It nearly ruined Buffy, and almost did the same here.
It's back to what is was ordered to do: campy fun.
And they're doing it deliciously, thankfully offing the weakling Ashley, tying up loose ends beautifully while retaining and building on viewership....now if they could only deep six Aiden and focus on the hotness that is Bowman....
At first I was thinking that Patrick is being very calculating in starting a relationship with Nolan. And I do still believe that he has motives that haven’t been shared with the viewers yet. But when was talking to his mom about how he met someone special that he thought could be a serious thing, that seemed pretty genuine to me.
Of course it’s possible he’s scamming Victoria too. It was notable that in their discussion he used the ‘someone special’ phrase instead of saying it was a guy. And nothing Victoria said gave away that she knew he is gay either.
Yes he told Nolan that Victoria knows he’s gay, but if he’s truly a short-change con artist (or something more sinister) then everything he tells anybody could be a lie. The ex-wife that Nolan talked to could be in on it as well.
I don’t want to think that way, but the fact that they’ve presented NONE of his backstory so far should make people leery of him. But it would be nice if he turns out to be a good boyfriend for Nolan – and if the program presented a gay person that wasn’t evil or a criminal.
Remember, Patrick is David Clarke's son, so he's going to have a noble streak.
r109, he is not Clarke's son. He is the product of a rape when Victoria was a teenager.
It was my favorite show when it went through its first season, then I quit watching during season 2. This thread makes me want to start watching again. I will skip Season 2 but can someone please catch me up"
1. Fauxmanda died, right? Who killed her and why? Did her death have any lasting impact?
2. What happened to Emanda's mother (Jennifer Jason Leigh)?
3. Daniel and the party planner/personal assistant with the British accent (I forget her name) hooked up. What happened to her? Last I saw was the flashback when Amanda saved her from being forced into prostitution.
I think I can catch up without watching the rest of the awful season 2 but if someone could please fill me in on the above, plus anything else important, I'd appreciate it.
R111, the last eight episodes of season 2 are pretty good. If you watch any of that horrible season, only watch that much.
Emanda's mother left. And I can't even remember why.
Justin Hartley is smokin hot! I didn't want to like Patrick, but I really do.
Unfortunately, almost everything we learn about him makes him seem that more sinister to me.
What is up with his obsession with water? Did the real Patrick drown or something? Was he friends/lovers with the real Patrick? Is the ex-wife still somehow involved?
Why is Charlotte such a bitch?
The actor who plays Jack is pretty good looking. He has beautiful eyes.
Is Justin Hartley gone?
If so, I'm not sure what the point of Patrick and Nolan was.
i'm sure justin hartley will be back later.
Emily put got porky this season. Still looks great though...
Another solid episode. Although it is understanable why fans may not be invested anymore - the episodes are slow-moving compared to seasons 1 and 2.
Fauxmanda died during some Revenge scheme by some guys who Jack's father had done business with years before. I don't even remember the details and it's not even worth bothering to look them up. That storyline, like all things related to the bar, was terrible.
Jennifer Jason Leigh, I also don't remember why she left. Though it turned out she was married to the white haired man. But JJL was terrible in the role and completely out of place on the show. It's a shame Anne Heche wasn't available last year because she would have fucking killed in that role.
Ashley got run out of town in the first episode of this season. She and Emily had fallen out and she wore out her welcome with Victoria after she screwed Conrad. They blackmailed her into going back to England.
I get why Charlotte is living with Jack over the Stowaway -- she still thinks "Amanda" was her sister and that the baby is her nephew -- but why is she suddenly co-managing it? Are we supposed to forget she's only 18?
What is with Conrad and Aiden wearing the same outfit the last few weeks? Wardrobe budget a bust?
Great ep, though and you know Patrick will be back.
Everyone has a need for revenge. This new character, Sara, could be a thorne for Emily, pardon the pun.
I love this show again. The last episode was amazing. The bitch fights alone are pretty awesome.
And please keep Patrick gay. Please.
I'm just kind of catching up on the season - why does Patrick want to kill Conrad? Is he supposed to be a really bad kind of character?
Patrick's supposed to be shady and inscrutable.
I'm rooting for Patrick's affair with Nolan to be more than a chess move.
At about 00:34, when Nolan walks into the room, you can tell he dresses to the right.
I'm loving this new season too. I watched last year, but I wasn't happy about it. First year was the best so far, but I think this season could surpass it. Doesn't hurt that they've amped up the camp and the shirtlessness and the gay.
Quite a few homophobic comments on the Revenge Facebook page.
Hope shit like this doesn't stop the writers from including more hot boy/boy kisses.
Last season they introduced too many forgettable characters such as Jennifer Jason Leigh and Roger Bart that only took up screen time without really adding any depth to the show. Glad to see they are focusing on original plot, allowing Nolan to come into his own separate from Emily, at least for one episode.
Lots of nice chests in this episode. Hope this isn't the end for Aiden - that man makes me lightheaded.
Also, have you noticed that every shot around a pool in this show has the pavement wet? A production designer somewhere obviously thinks this is important.
The show is extremely slow-moving, which is a departure from the suspense of season 1. Still much better than most of season 2.
The show hit new lows last night.
Wonder how much longer it will be on?
Can't see it going beyond next year, if that.
It's slow moving, R128, because it's difficult to fill that many episodes with the story of getting revenge on the Graysons. I mean, at some point you just need to get on with life. At least Dynasty had big shoulder pads.
I actually like that the show no longer only focuses on Emily/Amanda's revenge plans. We had to know at some point that her plans would cause a ripple effect.
Whatever became of Patrick's ex-wife (?) in FL? Can anyone help me here?
Refresh my memory.. why does Charlotte now hate Emily?
[quote] Jennifer Jason Leigh, I also don't remember why she left. Though it turned out she was married to the white haired man. But JJL was terrible in the role and completely out of place on the show. It's a shame Anne Heche wasn't available last year because she would have fucking killed in that role
Funny that you mention Anne Heche. The actor who plays Amanda Clarke's father (Dave Clarke)in the flash backs is James Tupper who is Anne's real life boyfriend
I think the season would have been much better if they'd killed off Charlotte, written out Aiden and cast a hotter, more distinctive looking actor as Patrick.
This is getting GOOD now!! Usually I flip to TGW during commercials but last night, I couldn't.
However, ABC sucks with all the other programming and shit that's coming on over the next 2 weeks.
The AMAs and some stupid ass movie will be aired over the next two Sundays. On the other hand, I'll be able to watch TGW.
It looks like the writers are setting this up to be revenge for more characters than Emily, which isn't a bad idea. As someone else said up thread, at some point you have to move on with your life.
A 3 week break will be the final nail in this show's coffin.
You know a show is coming to an end when the ratings are low AND the internet buzz goes silent. This thread pretty much being dead shows that even the hard-core fans are jumping ship.
Josh Bowman wants to be killed off. Good. I've wanted Daniel dead since season one.
The show is moving an hour later to 10pm EST. This move will either kill it for good, or help it by avoiding the stiff competition.
Why does the Amber Valetta character hate Emily? It was Victoria's goon who pushed her over the railing, and Conrad who had the plane blown up.
Lydia hates Emily for taking her house; she figured out Em was up to no good and blamed her for her falling out with Victoria.
Doesn't Lydia know the truth about Emanda?
r139, if the show goes lower, I don't think any of them are going to have to worry behind the end of this season.
I heard the show was begging to be moved to 10pm EST, but I thought that was just the plan for next season. And now it's already happened. It won't have to go head to head with Walking Dead anymore. Both are great shows and many of us are watching both. I download everything I watch so the schedule doesn't make any difference to me, but most people still watch broadcast tv and this move should save Revenge. Very smart of the network not to keep the certain to be cancelled Betrayal there. They want a few more seasons of Revenge for the syndication money.
[quote]Josh Bowman wants to be killed off.
Yes, so that wooden, no-talent can go on to win that Oscar he so richly deserves.
I know actors prefer not to be the boring good guy, but I always felt the story would have been more interesting if they would have kept Daniel as a true good guy. It would have added an interesting layer to Amanda's revenge if one of her victims was free of wrong doing and had her be a little conflicted about the collateral damage she was about to inflict. While always not the most interesting characters, I think in the long run soaps benefit from having a few Bobby Ewing type characters. You need some contrast from the villains and anti-heroes.
I do see why he is a bit frustrated because they are all over the place with his character, sometimes he is a good guy with a conscience and sometimes he is Conrad Jr. depending on what the plot needs.
Daniel doing the Titanic thing with his bakery whore's $7500 necklace was a little hilarious.
4th season is a lock, they want the syndication money. It's not doing any better than Nashville, but Nashville is failing in season 2, so it's toast. 5th season looks like a long-shot now, if they haven't turned it around a month or two into season 4, it won't get a 5th.
I like it, liked the last episode, it's just a soap but it's a really good one. I hope it gets 6 or more seasons. Way better than the 80s nighttime soaps, Dallas, Dynasty, I didn't watch any of them.