The new season starts tonight... will it recover after the world's suckiest season finale last year?
Will "Neverland" save this show? Will the spin-off survive?
Will Henry be found and saved? Will Mr. Gold forever be evil?
Does anyone in here still watch or care?
The Third Season begins in half an hour!
The "review" show is on now...
On now! (east coast and central)
God help us. I have to watch this crap because the BF likes it. Having to set through 3 hours of it tonight. I may end it all.
When the show is good, it's pretty decent.
When it's bad, it's horrible.
Thanks for staying on-topic, r3. This show is make-believe and so's you your boyfriend.
Ugh. They're making Neverland like "Lost." The Lost Boys = The Others. Peter Pan = Benjamin Linus.
Watching it now...
Uh, then where are the dinasours and polar bars, R6? Huh?
I guess Peter Pan's shadow is the "smoke monster"?
Say what you want about the show but it has some fucking hot men.
Possibly a stupid question: What was the doll that the Lost Boy dropped in front of Mr. Gold, that caused him to cry? I've seen every show, but apparently I've just forgotten something...
Well, that episode sucked ass.
The women are nothing on the show anymore except, it seems, utter fucking morons. Emma will solve everything by jumping overboard! Excellent.
Regina can't poof her out of the water because she can't see her and would end up with only a leg or something. Well, she could see her after they surfaced, right? So, why exactly did they haul Emma and Charming out of the water with a rope?
And, uh, wasn't Regina all self-sacrificing and repentent about five minutes ago when she was going to sacrifice herself in the season finale? Where did that Regina go?
I'm already sick of the lost boys and Peter Pan's ears are distracting. It seems to have turned into the Charming/Neal/Henry show. If you would have asked who the three least liked and most annoyingly bad actors on the show are, they'd win.
This show has turned into the creators' Peter Pan syndrome, writ large.
This might be the last season, if they keep it up this way.
I think the show recovered nicely last night.
They quickly got rid of a lot of dead weight and focused the main story to a rescue mission rather than the usual good vs. evil stories week after week.
I read somewhere that this episode introduced Ariel, who I presume was the mermaid they pulled aboard the ship but I don't think she gave her name. Is she going to be another baddie?
(They should do an episode of Hook and Prince Charming wrestling for no apparent reason.)
They wisely killed off two of the more annoying characters from last year right away, so that was a good sign.
Mulan annoyed me last year, but for some reason I liked her in this episode.
I think their is some potential with their storyline, but they have one problem. The actor playing Henry has gone from cute kid to adolescent who cannot act. It does not help that he gets some really cringe-worthy dialogue and can be annoyingly self-righteous and judgmental.
Lana has gained weight.
What? We were watching Breaking Bad.
The two they killed off were annoying, but why bring them on the show to kill them off so fast. I don't know if Greg is really dead as his shadow was stolen..plus he needs a redemption after what Regina did to his dad. I did want to see whatsherface Taze Rumpel..he annoys the crap out of me.
Pretty good epsiode..I think I will tire of Neverland. I just wish they had left everyone in Storybrooke with no magic. Would loved to have seen Regina and Maleficent in modern day clothes trying to screw over the annoying Snow and Charming.
Emma and Hook have chemistry as does she and Regina. Poor Snow and Charming are just so freakin dull. The Henry kid needs to be recast.
I think the little doll belonged to Bae.
Prince Charming got a new hair style during the voyage to Never Neverland, or so it would appear.
Was that supposed to be Ariel EQ turned to wood? Please let them bring out Ursula if that is the case.
I was dissapointed with Rumple pulling the heart thing, that was really Regina's thing. He had more flair in killing (turning Gaston into a rose for Belle to clip). Hopefully not too much time is spent in neverland. I read they planned the season in two archs - this one which will end around christmas and the second one after the new year.
No, that was just an anonymous stooge Mermaid, Ariel will turn up and in Storybrooke. Rumpie taught Regina how to pull out hearts. Speaking of Regina she has her snark back..."How you going to do it Snow, with unicorn and rainbow stickers?" Please no more crying from Regina, just more insults for the Charmings.
Makes me wonder since Peter Pan is the big bad of Neverland and can even kill the dark one, where is tinkerbell in all this?
The Peter Pan reveal was rather underwhelming.
Ethan Embry dropped a ton of weight! Wow! Too bad he was killed so quickly...
[bold]Once Upon A Time is back, and serving up hot lunacy in Neverland[/bold]
The premiere of Once Upon A Time made a big splash in the new world of Neverland. And it also did a lot of really stupid crap that makes no sense. Oh well — let's watch the daughter of fairy-tale characters do pull-ups!
First up, many apologies for being late on this. I fell into a technological hellhole, that I still haven't really hoisted myself out of yet. But I'm back! And more importantly all of our favorite zany fairytale characters, who like to walk around and state exactly what emotions they are feeling, are back as well. Welcome, half formed human characters and fairytale freaks!
The new season is all about BELIEVING. Because there can be miracles when you believe! Or at least lots and lots of dirty lost boys who like to deliver their lines with sloooooooow pauses and laborious sentences. God we missed this show.
(much more at the link)
Charming is the guy you marry and who you snuggle with at night. Hook is the guy you trick with who leaves you sore afterward.
[quote]I really want Regina to fuck Charming.
You and me both, r19!
The guy playing Robin Hood is another hottie. Maybe he can be the gay one.
Reportedly, Robin Hood is going to be Regina's new true love. Blech.
I'd rather Hook fuck Charming than Regina.
I don't get how Regina and Gold still have full on Magic powers in Neverland. I would think the magic is tied to the land you are in. Like Neverland magic does not work in Enchanted Forest and vice versa..meh who knows.
R38...the kept saying that magic doesn't work in our world like it does in theirs, yet, it always does. The writers are lazy and its easier for them to have Regina and Rumple get away with stuff with full on magic..so its kind of boring.Plus I don't think they are smart enough to differentiate magic and having rules for all the lands.
They should make Hook bisexual. Or at least like Captain Jack Harkness from "Doctor Who" and "Torchwood" -- open to anything sexually.
Well Hook is a pirate with a hook hand, me thinks a ship full of men and one hand would lead to some odd crew jobs :)
The show is getting bo-ring. Even the Evil Queen is too goody-goody to be interesting.
For a show by former writers of Lost, this show now certainly doesn't let mysteries stay unanswered very long.
On Lost, the lion tattoo reveal would have been a few seasons not by the end of the episode.
I missed the lion tattoo reveal apparently. I was so bored I walked away a few times. Who was it?
I loved that they made Mulan a lesbian.
If everyone claps their hands to show that they believe in Tinkerbell and she becomes a fairy again, I may just throw up. I did enjoy Tink's comment about Snow White though, something like "Snow White? What a stupid name. And mine happens to be Tinkerbell!"
Me too, r47. I'm surprised they went there.
Are there any gay people on this show,in front of or behind the camera?
Well, the guy who played the Mad Hatter in a few episodes is gay in real life.
No gay males as far as characters go.
"I loved that they made Mulan a lesbian."
Yeah. They made her a lesbian and then promptly made her part of Robin Hood's band of merry men. Wouldn't want her in the actual vicinity of any women, right?
I call cop out. Not only did they make the most masculine woman on the show the lesbian, they went for the two-fer and now they have minority and gay covered by one character...a part-time character at that.
I thought they played it smart. They had Mulan say she was going to declare her love...but didn't say if it was Phillip or Aurora. Right after she says that we see Aurora's face and then Mulan says she is there to speak to her, not Phillip so we know who she is in love with. A cop out? Maybe, but it stops the "Family Values," nuts for going crazy while all the while we know, and the kids who watch the show know, what is going on. So these Family Values kids maybe will grow up and think, "Eh, whats the problem, its like Mulan and Aurora."
Like Mulan and Aurora?
You mean, unrequited and unprofessed love with a woman who's pregnant with a man's baby?
And, you might want to look around the internet a bit..the family values crowd is having a shit fit about it and all the icky gayness infiltrating their family show.
They really need to get over this neverland shit. If you watch the Wonderland one, they just had a fairy on as well - clapping to get her. How is it the fairies could travel between realms and not know of "human" world - Pan's shadow seemed to have no problem traveling to and from any land, earth, enchanted forrest, neverland. Same for the Rabbit. At a time when there was no magic in Storybrooke yet, the rabbit pops in to get naive.
The actor playing Peter Pan looks like a real life version of the Disney cartoon Pan.
I'm just glad we don't have to listen to or watch the actress who plays Granny or the one who plays Jiminy Cricket. Hope they stay in Never Neverland all season.
The guy playing Peter Pan is a horrible actor. He makes even the guy playing Henry (who is horrible himself) look good.
Are we in neverland all season? Thumbs down to wonderland.
Marilyn Manson Heading to 'Once Upon a Time'
2:54 PM PDT 10/18/2013 by Philiana Ng
Once Upon a Time is going to the dark side.
Marilyn Manson will be joining ABC's fairy tale drama in the third season as a voice guest star, The Hollywood Reporter confirms.
In the eighth episode, expected to air mid-November, Manson will make his Once Upon a Time debut voicing the character of The Shadow, who has already been seen this season. (The Shadow first appeared at the end of season two.)
"We've always been enormous fans of Marilyn Manson," creators/executive producers Eddy Kitsis and Adam Horowitz told Rolling Stone, who first broke the news, in a joint statement. "We wanted to cast someone with the vocal ability to make our skin crawl."
This season, the motley crew of Emma (Jennifer Morrison), Regina (Lana Parrilla), Captain Hook (Colin O'Donoghue), Snow (Ginnifer Goodwin) and Charming (Josh Dallas) have been thrust into the dark world of Neverland, with the mission to save Henry (Jared Gilmore) from the villainous Peter Pan (Robbie Kay) and the Lost Boys.
Season three has seen a slew of recurring players appear on the small screen, including Jamie Chung, Sean Maguire, Rose McIver, Julian Morris, Sarah Bolger and the upcoming appearance of Joanna Garcia.
The CAA-repped Manson appeared as himself on Showtime's Californication and starred in Sundance title Wrong Cops. His most recent album, Born Villain, was released in 2012.
Once Upon a Time airs Sundays at 8 p.m. on ABC.
Can someone please tell me which characters were killed off this season?
Only Barbara Hershey as Nora seems to have been killed off and stayed dead. We were led to believe that the Jiminy Cricket guy and Baelfire were both killed, but Jiminy's only lasted an episode or two, and Baelfire is now revealed to be alive and on his way to Neverland.
The fact that Hershey has not showed up in the flashback scenes makes me wonder if she was upset about being killed off. Nora was one of the most interesting characters they had, and it's too bad they got rid of her.
R62, the character's name was Cora, not Nora.
Cora was the big kill last year, and I agree a waste. She should have been the super villain, they keep in a cage but she escapes when they need the ratings. But in addition to her minor characters like Lancelot (another waste) the guy Cora killed instead of Archie (that one no one seemed concerned that they buried instead of Archie) the guy on the docks Cora turned into a fish (so technically still alive) and Snow's old nanny, tossed out of the clock tower by Cora (God I loved that bitch.)
I actually think Neverland is not bad so far. Regina is back to being a sarcastic bitch who seems to just wait to insult Snow, Rump hasnt been on that much and we havent seen Belle much, and Capt Hook and Emma are starting a thing. We have Mulan in love and now Regina is going to get laid by Robin Hood so things are more interesting then last year.
Are they going to be done with Pan soon,that kid is obnoxious.
Hook and Emma hook up (hah hah) next week.
Barbara Hershey's man is playing Jafar on OUAT in Wonderland..and Cora was the red Queen in Wonderland before the current Red Queen so I am sure they will bring Cora back for flashbacks on Wonderland.
Cora was the Queen of Hearts, not the Red Queen.
Meh. I'm not feeling this season as much. I hate Peter Pan (and the really bad actor that plays him) and it feels awfully claustrophobic, with such a small part of the cast involved now.
The Ariel storyline looks interesting.
I'm over Neverland.
Do they ever show Hook without his shirt?
This show is OVAH.
Are they through with Tinkerbell? She was supposed to help with Henry's rescue but then she seemed to disappear. I wonder if Wendy will show up.
Wendy was already in it - Bael stayed with them when he came through to regular world. It was there he discovered Pan and saved them from him, being taken to neverland but falling to freedom and getting picked up by Captain Hook.
Thankfully, it looks like we'll be going back to Storybrook. The show has been so claustrophobic with just Neverland and a tiny core of characters week after week.
When are they going to show Hook naked (at least shirtless)?
I love this show, but hate this season. Neverland and evil Pan are jump-the-shark time - I worry that the show won't recover from the really bad way they've handled these first several episodes.
So, lots of rumors that Goodwin is pregnant, and she and Dallas just got engaged. Now Snow announces she wants a baby? How much longer before we hear an announcement?
I don't mind Neverland, but I do mind the smug arrogance of the Charmings. Ugh.
Both Ginny and Lana look heavier.
Goodwin's ultra-short haircut on Sunday looked AWFUL. She looks like one of the Seven Dwarfs now with those eats sticking way out.
Ginnifer Goodwin shares a serious scene with her fiance Josh Dallas on set of their show Once Upon a Time on Thursday (November 7) in Vancouver, Canada.
The day before, the couple was spotted on set again with their co-stars Jennifer Morrison, Robert Carlyle, Lana Parrilla, Jared Gilmore, Emilie de Ravin, and Colin O’Donoghue.
“I really desperately did not want to be part of the Ariel storyline because I figured it would involve getting wet. And it did,” Ginnifer recently joked with Access Hollywood. “But it ended up being one of my favorite episodes I’ve filmed, truly.”
Even so, R94, she's huge. Could it possibly just be the outfit? I don't think so.
She's definitively gained.
Okay, so... that reveal that Peter Man is Rumple's father MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE AT ALL.
Neverland was empty, except for the shadow. Pan's shadow. But pan didn't exist yet. WTF?
Talk about just making shit up as you go along.
I totally didn't get the line about how the name "Peter Pan" somehow proves that Peter Pan thinks about his son that he abandoned. What am I missing?
And the voice of the shadow was really bad.
Peter Pan was the name little Rumple gave to that little stick doll.
The voice of the Shadow was Marilyn Manson.
Not sure how I never caught that. I never really 'got' the significance of that little doll actually.
I think they are just making it up as they go along.
Who played adult Pan?
Anyone else tired of this smug twink Pan and wish that part was over already.
I'm not fond of the Neverland storyline but think the actor who plays Pan is one of the show's best, along with Regina and Rumple.
The Charmings can't act their way out of paper bags. Goodwin was good on Big Love. I'm not sure what her problem is here.
Enough of this Neverland story line. Let's see Hook naked!
The only thing that keeps me watching this crap-
Oh, and Hook's hairy chest.
I loved Ginny in Big Love!
Lana and Jennifer are both good, especially Lana.
How STUPID is Henry? Can we also include him on the Worst Child Actors thread?
Why are Pete Pan eye's always red? Is he allergic to the island?
Archie Panjabi knows viewers want more Kalinda on "The Good Wife," but she's enjoying the amount of screentime her co-stars have been getting with the big Lockhart/Gardner exit storyline.
"I think what's fun about it is just the reboot quality for the show and the last time we had a big storyline like that was when Kalinda was found out to have slept] with Peter, so it's really nice to see Christine Baranski have some really good storylines and really shine, and Matt have some time on screen because last year he didn't really have much" Panjabi told The Huffington Post
...phone interview. "It's really nice to see my colleagues have their moment. My character's had so much attention and it is quite refreshing to allow everybody to have their moment and have some really good scenes and I think they're doing such a great job with it."
^^ and that has to do with OUAT how?
The Charmings are awful actors, especially Prince Charming. Now that Hook is showing that someone can be pretty and masculine and charming and actually act...do we really need that boring block of wood?
Tho if the Charmings are gone I will miss Regina giving them the stink eye and rolling her eyes at everything they do and say.
I will not miss Neverland and the actors wandering around potted plants only to stop and talk, and the wander some more and stop and talk. To its credit Neverland still looks better then that piece of CGI crap Wonderland.
Henry is the most annoying kid character on TV since Carl on Walking Dead. At least they allowed Carl to grow up, Henry is acting like he is mentally challenged talking about saving magic..no wonder he doesnt have friends his age.
Yes Hooks hairy chest is something to behold!
Charming(I forget his name)was replaced in the Thor sequel by that guy from Chuck.
How old us Henry supposed to be?
The weight gain and "Snow" talking about wanting another baby made it obvious, but Ginnifer Goodwin is indeed pregnant.
Have to admit I did not see Pan being Rumple's father coming. Not sure I understand why he would kidnap and keep Wendy in a cage though. The shadow seems to be able to fly to the real world so why would it not be able to get Henry? It was not because there was no magic in Storybrooke, the rabbit got there just fine to get the Knave of Hearts (which was before the curse was broken). They do do reoccuring themes well though.
Pan abandoned Rumple, Rumple adandoned Neal, Neal abandoned Henry (although to be fair he didn't know she was pregnant.)
Snow gives up Emma, Emma gives up Henry..etc
The one problem is the evil queen. You want to redeem her but her back story, she has killed, thousands of people, murdered without a thought. Even Rumple seems less evil.
But Rump doesn't have the style and way with a bitchy remark that Regina has..so she can be forgiven for all.
Rumple probably killed more than Regina as he was the Evil One for centuries. He also trained Regina in black magic, so he bears some responsibilities for her bad deeds.
So it's official: The Charmings are preggers in real life. Ridiculous that they announced the engagement last month in an effort to get that news out there before the knocked up story. It's been so obvious all season that Goodwin is pregnant.
I wonder what Tom Hanks thinks? Goodwin was allegedly his mistress for several years.
Always wondered which came first -- Josh Dallas' marriage breaking up or his involvement with Ginnifer Goodwin?
I know which one they're eager for us to think, so I tend to think the opposite. Or at a minimum, they became involved while he was early in a separation.
Goodwin and Hanks were together???
I hate Snow and Charming and wish they would fall into a portal or go back to the Enchanted Forest for good..see ya, we will catch up with you on the last episode. My hope is that somehow this annoying baby will be cursed and will come out a troll or something, so Regina can finally raise someone who loves her black, black heart.
What is up with the Henry actor..I can't understand a word he mumbles.
Where is lessie Mulan? When is Regina going to crawl on top of Robin Hood?
r120 Hanks? Really? Boy she does go for the milktoast huh....
Rumple was not alive for centuries. It was shown he was still human during the war with the trolls and his wife left him for Hook before he became the dark one. Granted he did teach Regina her magic but she chose to become his pupil by taking the heart of his other pupil. Rumple never seems to kill, he seems to trap and trick.
What I don't get is why Rumple had to die to kill Pan?
The Hanks rumor makes sense looking at her career.
One day she was a minor supporting actor on the TV show "Ed" and then she suddenly starts getting major leading roles.
Sleeping with Hanks probably opened a lot of doors for her.
She thought Hanks would leave his wife for her. She waited for years - no dice. I wouldn't be surprised if the baby is really Hanks'.
This is a terrible show. Why are you all watching it?
R117 - Thanks for the news. I was wondering.
Ah its good crappy fun. Not as good as Season 1 when it had potential to be really interesting (I dont like the magic in our world crap, more fun to see them live like real people) but still goofy fun.
Looks like they are writing Goodwin's pregnancy into the show.
Barbara Hershey is joining the cast of "OUAT in Wonderland," reprising her role as the Queen of Hearts.
I actually have liked the Neverland episodes much better than Season 2. That was a muddled mess. Too many characters. Too many flashbacks. This is cleaner. I do agree, however, the "walking between potted plants, stopping to talk, rinse and repeat" does get a bit boring.
Yeah I thought Season 2 they were going somewhere with the intruders in town and it was kind of a cop out to turn it all into Neverland.
I think they redeemed themselves with Pan being Rumple's father so Henery's great grand father.
The show continues to surprise me, so I like it.
Seriously, R132? I completely rolled my eyes at that... does EVERYONE have to be related to EVERYONE on this fucking show? Jesus...
I've gotten tired of pan and just want that part to be over with.
I hated Neverland and Pan, but the payoff of Pan being Rumple's father was cool. But to have him go into Henry and still be around ... Ugh.
R134 - Everybody being related explains a lot.
Anyone find it funny that Michael and John were posing as a gay couple to adopt Henry when Regina was trying to back out?
I've like the plot twists so far this season. Yeah Neverland is a little confining so I hop they get back soon.
Pan annoyed me at first but now he's growing on me. And the lil twink that plays him is growing on me too. He really was well cast.
Not funny, R138. But I liked the choice.
Great episode, for once, tonight.
If only killing off ol' Rotten Teeth would be permanent.
That actually would have been a great series finale. One of the problems with network shows is that they never know when to step away from the table.
Loved the last few minutes with Emma answering the door.
I hope they get Hook a prosthetic hand once all this rigamarole is over. Also, how can Hook remember Storybrooke? Is it because he was original from the "real world"? Does that mean anyone who was outside of the Enchanted Realm when Regina's curse first took place can remember Storybrooke too?
I liked this a lot. Now I'm pissed I have to wait until fucking March.
R146 I assume that because Hook was not part of the original curse, his memory was not affected.
Is there a thread for the spin off? I don't watch this one (never got around to it) but I watch Wonderland.
I haven't been able to get into Wonderland, and it seemed for awhile that this one had jumped the shark, but the last few episodes have been really good.
I think the only ones who won't remember Storybrooke will be Emma and Henry. For them, it never existed.
In the preview, we see Snow utter "We're back." That shows a level of self-awareness.
I think that Regina deliberately wiped Emma and Henry's memories and lied about all of the other characters not being able to remember. Hook wasn't from the enchanted forest, so he should remember. Also, who the fuck was the green chick- the wicked witch of the west?
I agree that OUAT should have ended last night, minus the last two minutes.
It would have been too sad for this series ending, OUAT will end with everyone (including the villians) living happily ever after.
Regina didn't say that the Storybrooke folk would lose their memories, I don't think. She just said that Emma and Henry would because Storybrooke would cease to exist.
The fairytale people know who they are and remember storybooke. Regina changed it so Emma kept Henry rather than give him up..she saved everyone, gave up her son so he could have a life with Emma. If that did not remove the black from her heart nothing will. Looks like the Wicked Witch of the West is coming to Storybrooke in March though. I have a feeling with Rumple gone and the Evil Queen no longer Evil...the other baddies from other lands will be moving in. Possibly Jafar for a Wonderland/Enchanted Forrest cross over??
I hope the second half of this season sees Regina and Snow work out their differences. I'd hate to see Regina isolated while the Charmings community cuddlefest continues.
I still can't stand Emma. I think it's Jennifer Morrison's scrunched-up face way of showing emotion. "But I'm the savior!" Ugh.
Lara Parilla's Regina is the best thing about "Once Upon a Time." I don't want to see her get all goody-goody on us.
I am not sure about Snow and Regina, if Goodwin is pregnant and Snow is pregnant, Regina might have some issues with Snow getting a baby and not her. I hope they follow up on Robin Hood being the love of Regina's life..Regina might have other problems anyway. If they are all back as they were, Malificent might be might pissed off, as well as a few other bad guys from fairy tales and as we saw the Wicked Witch is coming to the enchanted forrest.
I'm with R144.
But here's the thing: The main reason I've stuck with this show is because it's so much fun watching Mr. Gold/Rumple.
If he's gone, what's the point?
This is the note it should have ended on.
While I appreciate this show's ability to keep re-inventing itself, at some point... it'll have gone on too long, and taken one step too far. I fear that time is coming sooner rather than later.
Has Julian Morris been on lately?
Can someone explain to me why Rumple "had" to die in order for Pan to die?? I didn't understand that scene - what did the dagger have to do with anything? Why couldn't he have just stabbed Pan without stabbing/killing himself?
Also Henry is the WORST - I laughed so much when he was trying to play evil during the body-switch.
I can't help you there. It seemed like just some handwaving to me. "Magic". The rules for magic on this show are so arbitrary.
Regina explained that the Pan's reinvention of the curse would make them all slaves so to save them all she would tweak it to take them back to the Enchanted Forest..and to "Where they were originally from" i.e. Whale would go back to Gothic Land,etc.(if they stayed put they wouldnt know who they were so I wonder with Pan dead, if they would all stumble around like a Walker?) Henry could not go as he is from our world. To keep him from being stranded Emma decided to stay as she is the savior and exempt, and Regina's gift to them was to make it seem as if Emma raised him all along and they were happy. She did this as they would not remember Storybrook as to the rest of the world, it would seem as if the town never existed. She didnt turn back time, so everyone who died is still dead. I like Regina as the sarcastic bitchy anti heroine not the villan.
R157 R158 I really like the interplay between Lana and Jen.