I'm watching it for the first time as an adult. As a kid I remember sneaking downstairs to watch the nude scenes on HBO.
The music is great. Brad Davis is so hot but dresses like he's in a old gay pinup. His jeans are so tight and he must be stuffing something up front. How can a guy be so big and still be running around?
Is Alan Parker gay?
Wow! you watch this powerful film and that's all you're concerned with?
I've only watched the first 10 minutes or so r1
My GAWD, OP.
[quote] How can a guy be so big and still be running around?
[quote]I've only watched the first 10 minutes or so
R5, VHS tape got stuck
r4 mine shrinks up when I run or I'm terrified...isn't that biology to protect it?
r5 because I wanted to start a thread to look at when I finished
(have 45 minutes left)---it is pretty a pretty brilliant film
shocking that Davis didn't get a nomination(he should have received the one Olivier got)
Billy Hayes, and other Long Island idiot.
OP darling: in the 70s everyone had their junk on display. Not since the demise of the codpiece has their been such a time for crotchwatchers. The fucking gay designers need to get their act together and ditch the sexless flatfront drainpipe trousers cause I can't wank to ankles.
That movie made me gay.
It needed a full out sex scene between Davis and the guy playing the (Swedish?) inmate. Obviously, something went on. We just didn't see it.
[quote]It needed a full out sex scene between Davis and the guy playing the (Swedish?) inmate. Obviously, something went on. We just didn't see it.
Billy Hayes was up-front in the book about having a sexual relationship with Erich (Arne in the book), and he was pissed that Parker wouldn't show it in the movie.
Saw it too long ago - but didn't the guy played by John Hurt slowly silently decline what was powerfully on offer from the Davis character?
And FWIW director Parker is a loveable schlub, and to me ping-free. ("Mississippi Burning" is good too.)
Davis was an AIDS boy you know, how come no one famous ever gets the AIDS anymore?
no r16...Davis declines the Swedish or what ever he was guy.
[quote]Brad Davis is so hot but dresses like he's in a old gay pinup. His jeans are so tight and he must be stuffing something up front. How can a guy be so big and still be running around?
It sounds like you're complaining. How could that possibly be? Are you a lesbian?
Alan Parker was not "gay." In fact, he had a reputation as a homophobe. The real Billy Hayes DID have a homosexual affair while in prison; in the movie he declines to have one. And in "Fame" Parker depicted the poor homosexual kid Montgomery as a lonely pariah, the only gay kid in the high school for the performing arts.
That movie was released in 1978. I wonder, if it were filmed today, if the scene between Billy and Erich would be more explicit? Times have changed considerably; when Billy rejected Erich in the movie, the audience clapped. Hopefully the attitude today wouldn't be as homophobic.
Alan Parker didn't write "Fame", he directed the written script by Christopher Gore, so your logic is wrong. And don't throw out he's a homophobe without any proof. I've heard nothing, including Google.
to his credit Parker went pretty far with the gay scene...they bathe, do yoga, kiss in the shower and the gay kid in Fame was pretty revolutionary for the time (where else were there gay teens in 1980) plus as has been said he didn't write the films.
They were also both studio films so I'm sure the gay content was discussed dissected and debated by scores of executives. It probably would have been easier for Parker to leave the story lines out so he gets credit for that.
Express's approach/avoidance thing actually seems more reminiscent of its screenwriter Oliver Stone, who always seems to fluctuate between pro- and anti gay. (I've always thought Stone has some personal issues on this topic)
"to his credit Parker went pretty far with the gay scene..."
Agree with this. It was very sexy for the time. I don't remember seeing a gay scene like that in any earlier mainstream movies.
Watching this movie with my then live in partner is how I discovered he had an attraction to men. He became visibly aroused during the shower scene. I had my suspicions but that sealed it. We broke up soon after when I finally asked him out right if he liked men. I could never watch that movie again. It just brings up painful memories but I admit it was a harrowing and powerful film.
[quote]when Billy rejected Erich in the movie, the audience clapped.
Where did you see it? I saw it twice on Long Island and nothing of the sort happened.
Reply to r26. The movie was being shown in a theater I worked at in 1978, called Brunswick Square Twin Cinema in East Brunswick, NJ.
It never failed...the audiences would always clap when Billy rejected Erich.
Central New Jersey was pretty homophobic in the late 1970's, hense to audience reaction. Even more educated people I knew at the time had the nasty habit of spewing homophobic comments. Not the best environment to be in when you're 20 years old and gay.
I remember the audiences reaction when Michael Ontkean and Harry Hamlin kissed in Making Love. You would have thought someone had just screamed FIRE. I'm not kidding, people were running for the exits. And, if I recall, the kiss was filmed in silhouette.
"I remember the audiences reaction when Michael Ontkean and Harry Hamlin kissed in Making Love. You would have thought someone had just screamed FIRE. I'm not kidding, people were running for the exits."
Why would a homophobic person go see a movie like that? It was a gay love story...
Homophobes saw the movies with their girlfriends. I saw ' Sunday , Bloody Sunday ' in the Seventies on long island and all the guys booed and hollered
The same kind of thing happened when Michael Caine and Christopher Reeve kissed in "Deathtrap." The entire audience screamed "EWWWWWW!!!"
BTW Dyan Cannon was far better looking then, before she had all that plastic surgery.
>>>>> OP darling: in the 70s everyone had their junk on display
& if they didn't have much to display they padded...remember that? & it was so obvious.
They padded all right.
An acquaintance of mine used to work in an emergency room. One night they brought in a young guy who had partied too hard. When they undressed him they found a sausage where his peen should be.
Alan Parker was awesome. He made great dramas like Birdy, Midnight Express, Mississippi Burning. Musicals like The Wall, Fame and the Commitments and even Bugsy Malone. I always assumed he was gay, but I've read elsewhere that he was not. Too bad because he was a visionary. Look him up on imdb and watch all the movies he directed.
[quote]Why would a homophobic person go see a movie like that? It was a gay love story...
not really...that was just one scene. I bet a lot of people in 1978 were shocked by it especially since he has a girlfriend at the beginning.
Didn't they real life Hayes eventually come out as gay? If you watch youtube videos from the time he looks very 1970's marlboro man gayish.
Kindly stop referring to me in the past tense, please. I'm not dead yet, bitches.
He came out as gay, R36? I watched a National Geographic (I think?) special on his real life story. Fascinating stuff. I didn't know that he had trafficked drugs from Turkey several times before his arrest, including one time when he wrapped it in a fake cast around his leg.
And his actual escape was far more cinematic than the way it was described on screen (one of the film's weaker aspects, IMO). He escaped from a prisoner's island in a row boat during a rainstorm, I believe.
I'm not sure r38...I thought he came out but not sure. The fact that he had smuggled other times kind of changes the movie. He wasn't exactly the dopey innocent the movie portrays him as. No wonder Oliver Stone apologized to Turkey a few years ago for the way the country was depicted.
He's been married to a woman for years but maintains he's not ashamed of the gay relationship.
[quote]Why would a homophobic person go see a movie like (Making Love)? It was a gay love story...
[quote]not really...that was just one scene. I bet a lot of people in 1978 were shocked by it especially since he has a girlfriend at the beginning.
Did they not read up on the plot of the movie before shelling out cash to see it? Or better yet, LOOK at the ad/poster? If THAT doesn't say "gay triangle", I don't know what does: