What's it like to live in LA as an average citizen?
As in, just a regular person, living and working in the city - not rollicking in Bel Air or living la vida loca in Beverly Hills. Is it a fun place to reside?
No not fun at all
You could ask the same question about Manhattan? Everywhere is better if you have $$$.
The weather is beautiful, as is the geography.
There is plenty to see and do if you're up for it.
Don't the average live in the valley where it's hot?
Do you really need a car, or can you get by with public transit?
Nobody walks in L.A.
R5 just made me laugh.
You need a car. Transit sucks, and NOTHING is ever in walking distance.
The difference is, in NYC, or many other cities, in January, when it's freezing cold, and snowing out, and you're walking in slush, bundled up with 3 layers, a muffler, and gloves - we in LA are lying by the pool in our apartment complex, margarita in hand, getting a tan. Or heading to the beach, or Palm Springs. This is what average people do - the difference being the wealthy lay by their own pool, with a view of the city, or head to their 2nd home in Malibu, or their 3rd home, in Palm Springs, while we average pay to park at the beach, or stay at a cheap motel, in PS.
R8 nails it.
It's strictly a stone groove. Still.
Breaking Bad, closer to the Pacific.
I got laid a lot when I lived there in the '70s.
Didn't everyone get laid a lot everywhere in the 70s?
I moved from LA to Seattle in 1980 -- well before AIDS -- and suddenly, I couldn't get laid to save my life.
Boring, unless you are plugged in and have cash. But that's true anywhere, right?
No, it's never boring, and I'm broke.
It was boring as fuck, and I'm rich.
What about picking up beautiful tricks? Is this an easy thing to do?
I'll take NY, even in winter. LA is too full of illiterate assholes. Nobody reads anything, or can talk about anything except themselves, the entertainment business, and celebrity gossip. I don't mind those topics in small doses but that's ALL people in LA talk about.
Last year, right after Christmas, I took a flight from Kennedy (NYC), to LAX . Left New York on a 9:00 a.m. flight, in a blizzard - arrived LA , about 11:00 a.m. Was home by 12:30. By 1:30, I was driving down Sunset, in my convertible, in 75 degree weather , to meet a friend for lunch, at Cafe Med (a patio cafe). I'm an average citizen.
That's just 1 reason I love LA
And R20, you can do that in less than 6 hours by flying to Miami.
Can the gorgeous and suntanned locals be bedded with considerable ease?
Good reply 19, stay there we don't want you in LA
Since when do flights take off in a blizzard?
The farther you live from "the biz", the less people talk about it.
Not technically L.A., but Laguna Beach, 1 hour south, is drop dead gorgeous.
Used to be very gay, before it got expensive.
Still artsy and walkable with great restaurants.
I live in a blue-collar-ish, middle class part of LA County (San Gabriel Valley.) It's nowhere near "the action" and because of the traffic, it takes a long time to get anywhere. There's not much going on in my side of town, but I do go to a LOT of theater-- I just have to drive a lot. (Off to Redondo Beach tonight, for example.) The public transportation system has gotten immeasurably better since I moved here (1987), but things are spread out, so it's not like Manhattan.
The weather is a big plus, although it gets quite hot where I live in the summer. But it's easy to get to the beach where it's usually around 20 degrees cooler, if not more. Compared to living on the east coast, I'd say the down side is that it's a long way to just about anywhere you'd want to visit by car--your options are pretty much the desert (Palm Springs), Santa Barbara, San Diego and Las Vegas. You have to fly anywhere else. Back east you can drive an hour or two and be in a completely different city or area.
Why do LA people, in particular, take everything so personally about LA and exclaim, "WE DON'T WANT YOU! KEEP OUT!" at anything that makes them feel threatened?
Because everyone keeps moving here, r28.
Huge parts of LA that used to be orange groves and strawberry fields when I was a kid, are now housing tracts and shopping malls.
Unlike New Yorkers, R28?
I can't imagine orange groves and strawberry fields in L.A. It's just concrete as far as the eye can see.
OP, you should know by now that, as in Lake Wobegon, all of us in L.A. are above average.
[quote]I can't imagine orange groves and strawberry fields in L.A. It's just concrete as far as the eye can see.
So untrue. There's masses of nature all over the place.
Actually, I have friends who use public transit only and say they're perfectly happy.
Disneyland was built in the middle of nowhere, r31.
Picture is the clearing of orange groves to built it.
I used to live in Toluca Lake in an old ratty apartment complex behind the Vons. The only redeeming thing about the complex was all the old trees it had all around it.
Now it's just taco groves and burrito fields
LOL, so predictable that this is becoming an LA - NYC cat fight.
It's much easier being broke in LA than being broke in NYC.
And I've known two people who've lived here without a car. It's possible but very difficult. Unless you have lots of money. But then anything is easier with lots of money.
LA couldn't be more different than NYC.
Almost the polar opposite.
[quote]Last year, right after Christmas, I took a flight from Kennedy (NYC), to LAX . Left New York on a 9:00 a.m. flight, in a blizzard - arrived LA , about 11:00 a.m. Was home by 12:30. By 1:30, I was driving down Sunset, in my convertible, in 75 degree weather , to meet a friend for lunch, at Cafe Med (a patio cafe).
OP, you should know that this is the fantasy purveyed by desperate Angelenos like R3 and R20: that it's sunny every day and 75 degrees year-round. In reality, winters there can be quite chilly, and summer sometimes gets blistering hot even near the beach (and in the Valley temps above 100 aren't that unusual). No, it's never parka-weather chilly, but in the winter at night temperatures routinely dip into the 40s, and daytime highs may not get past 68 or so. Sure, that's better than most of the country, but in reality South Florida has much more pleasant winter weather, and even southern parts of Texas (e.g. Houston and Austin) are on par with L.A. temperate-wise.
Also, any New Yorker can tell you that it's possible to go an entire winter with little to no snow, and very easily possible to go an entire winter without a true nor'easter blizzard. Blizzards are especially unusual in December, making R20's tale improbable at best.
I can't even imagine that--it sounds like a nightmare. And yet Mother assures me there really are such people there.
South Florida? I would never live anywhere that humid. Yuck.
How can anyone live comfortably in LA with the dread of imminent death from earthquakes?
[quote] In reality, winters there can be quite chilly, and summer sometimes gets blistering hot even near the beach (and in the Valley temps above 100 aren't that unusual
Winter is rain, wind, and cold.
... followed by a series sunny days in the 70s until the next storm.
And it does not get blistering hot by the beach. Nobody near the beach even owns an air conditioner.
The Valley, is another story, however.
[quote]How can anyone live comfortably in LA with the dread of imminent death from earthquakes?
You don't even think about them.
They are about as frequent as Miami hurricanes. They happen, but not that often. Only difference is they happen out of the blue.
"Imminent death" would be from brick buildings collapsing on you.
Most of those fell down decades ago in past earthquakes.
Modern skyscrapers are fine. Wood frame and steel frame buildings are fine. Your biggest danger is outside next to a brick chimney near the epicenter.
While big ones can be felt over a large area, the really bad area is quite small.
There's a trick to estimating them like lighting/thunder.
Strong jolt but short = weak quake but very close.
Rocking and rolling that seems to last forever. Far away, but a BIG one somewhere. Turn on the TV quick!
Swimming Pool Tsunami's are the best!
Lots of random events - bands, comedy nights, fundraisers - that usually feature famous friends and guests. Great one of a kind bills that anyone can go to.
Everyone is trying to sell you a script or see if you can cast them in something or get them a crew gig. They usually ignore you once they find out you can't.
[quote]Last year, right after Christmas, I took a flight from Kennedy (NYC), to LAX . Left New York on a 9:00 a.m. flight, in a blizzard - arrived LA , about 11:00 a.m. Was home by 12:30. By 1:30, I was driving down Sunset, in my convertible, in 75 degree weather
Some of us, actually, love winters in NYC. I love the first snowflakes; they get me as excited now as they did when I was a kid. There's nothing better than coming to a warm home on a snowy day, making a cuppa and sitting down with a good book.
My favorite runs along the Hudson are on snowy days. You can't even see across the river from the flurries.
So, no, I do not envy you on summery winters.
I am moving to LA for work next year and I already dread the clear, cloudless skies all year long.
NYC snow is filthy before it touches the ground!
The snow in NYC is white adjacent
[quote]Because everyone keeps moving here, [R28]. Huge parts of LA that used to be orange groves and strawberry fields when I was a kid, are now housing tracts and shopping malls.
Okay, well that point of view at least makes some sense. The obviously-bullshit "solidarity" spiel, which is given more often than you'd think, does not. Half of my family is in LA and its metro area; I go at least twice a year.
Instead of freezing winters, you have broiling hot 100 degree summers, smog that chokes you and destroys your contact lenses, the expense of a car, reduced public services as more and more illegals pour in, and 2-hour commutes to get across town. Even if you're rich you can't get away from smog, traffic and outdoor heat.
Be sure you can handle these things before you make the jump.
You forgot Fukushima radiation, R53.
A completely clear blue sky for months on end will create a sense of existential despair in you, and forgetting what month it is can be disturbing too.
For you, R55.
R55. to me it's the changing seasons that evidence the relentless pass of time what creates existential despair
R57, yes. Exactly.
We lived in the Hamptons as a " year rounder". It sucked...people with lots of money thought they had some kind of entitlement. When they would come out on the weekends during the summer we lower forms of life we're suppose to let them just take over. At least we could fuck with them.
When we went LA I saw it really was no different but on top of the money, I didn't see one ugly person...are they told not to go out least they bring down property values? ....I felt so out of place...hated it!
I lived in San Diego for a few years. Loved the weather and the usually blue skies. There's something about the air or the sunlight there, the colors (like on flowers) just seemed more crisp and vivid. When I first got there I would walk to the beach every evening for the sunset. Sometimes they were amazing.
Several years in and I missed my friends, I had a hard time making new ones out there. It's a very transient superficial populace. I'm going to sound like an ass but they weren't as educated or cultured as I was used to. Also, I was missing out on job opportunities by being in a (for my industry) backwater market. So eventually I got offered a promotion that would make me come back east that I couldn't resist. I said to myself that the weather wasn't that important. I thought of everything I would be regaining.
I fucking hate it. I can't believe I came back. I can't believe I got used to all that comfortable weather and beauty to where I didn't realize how much I would miss it. Oh well. I'm kind of trapped for now. I dream of escaping again though. Maybe Sydney next time. Or Honolulu.
I've always imagined LA was a place full of really beautiful people, model quality. Is it true? How do people in LA compare looks-wise with the people of New York?
[quote]Why do LA people, in particular, take everything so personally about LA and exclaim, "WE DON'T WANT YOU! KEEP OUT!" at anything that makes them feel threatened?
Well I only feel that way when out of towners and transplants start bashing L.A. People complain about the airheads and illiterates working in Hollywood or trying to break in, but the majority of those people are/were transplants. And when they're the ones complaining about L.A. and the people, well, it's like look in the mirror, honey.
The worst part of living in L.A. in 2013 is the challenges with driving in traffic on streets or freeways during peak and even non peak times. The traffic is horrific esp. if you have to go to Downtown L.A. or drive to Orange County at rush hour.
The picture r26 put is accurate. Laguna Beach is beautiful and far from Downtown L.A. Can get crowded in summer just like Malibu.
I love to visit LA, I think it is beautiful and the people are too. But, the superficiality and lack of intellectual curiosity doesn't work for me as a place to live.
Los Angeles may have beautiful weather, but it's ugly at the street level. It's all gray concrete, gray smog, hot, crowded, and completely choked with cars. There's basically no natural beauty away from the beaches, it's for people who love cities and who shop for fun.
The palm trees provide no shade, the thing the city needs most.
California, especially Southern, is overcrowded. The state really does try to regurgitate people that move there for the first several years they are there.
Perfect r66. That's exactly as I see it as well. Esp the part about lack of shade.
Love visiting LA, but am another who prefers the East Coast, warts and all.
being average is average no matter where you go----don't do it----raise yourself up!!!
namaste dear one
R65 Watch any episode of "Million Dollar Listing/NY" ? . Intellectual curiosity ? Superficiality ? Jesus honey, those empty headed, arrogant agents, & clients, prove to me what I've always said - LA denizens will admittedly acknowledge
they are sometimes not the most well read, or culturally learned. But those vapid, albeit many times well dressed men, and women, prowling NYC, are some of the most sickening, haughty, egotistical group of A-holes I've ever encountered. They really do act, just by virtue of living in a certain bldg., or neighborhood ( that 10-15 years ago, was considered 'bad'), their shit don't stink. We here in LA, or most of us, long ago removed the stick up our ass, and get outside, and enjoy life.
I love LA. It's ugly in parts but the beach, the weather, so many things to do...
It's my favorite place on the planet (and I say that after traveling for the last 12 months all over the globe). Palm Springs isn't far. Neither is the Central Coast. They're both great places to get away.
It helps that I'm not in the industry, I'm not in my 20's.
When I land at ugly LAX and walk outside and feel the brisk coolness and look at the Theme Building, I know I'm home.
great post r70! Love the line, prowling NYC
Why do Los Angeles people make such a big freakin' deal about Palm Springs?
There is no there there in Palm Springs.
There is certainly nothing there as a particular attraction like so many Los Angeles people seem to perpetuate the idea that it is a 'special getaway'.
Forget the gay men living/vacationing in Palm Springs.
What makes so many hetero Los Angeles people think there is something worthwhile in Palm Springs? I think it is ALL phony hype.
Yes, desert. Yes, some steel gray barren small hills/mountains.
Other than that, what???
R66, would you describe Orange County, California the same way you describe Los Angeles?
I've never been to either one - just wondering if you find Orange County ugly at the street level?
(except for Laguna and Laguna Beach, that is)
Laguna and Laguna Beach are the same thing.
Laguna Niguel is slightly inland from Laguna Beach and is mostly upscale homes and condos.
Southern OC is more modern and beach parts exclusive. Central OC more like Los Angeles suburbs with mix of home sizes, neighborhoods and shopping malls.
OC is more master planned in general than L.A.
It was still mostly farms while L.A. kept growing.
Huntington Beach also nice in OC. Miles of beaches, surf competitions, dog park beach, views of Catalina Island.
You can have a nice life in OC without being rich.
Well r73, for me it's slow there and that's a refreshing change from LA. There's no traffic, no trouble getting parking spaces, the mountains are spectacular, I like to gamble a little...
I'm not fond of the the rest of the area, just PS.
What I've seen of Orange County isn't as ugly as LA itself, it's more like Anyfuckingwhere, USA. It's suburbs and urban sprawl, really.
R73 You don't get it. It's a feeling, of relaxation, of being outside, with beautiful blue skies, pools - floating on a raft, with Sinatra singing , the smell of orange blossoms, or night-blooming jasmine, while sitting around a fire pit, made of glass crystals, at dusk, in Dec. Getting margaritas at El Mirasol, while surrounded by buff, handsome men. What's not to like - I escape from LA to PS every chance I get. Oh, and a sexual tension hangs in the air......that last part may just be me.
Palm Springs is a very nice get away from L.A. except during the summer when it can be 116 degrees plus.
The dry desert air, mountains, plenty of swimming pools and restaurants plus gay town makes it hospitable to be in.
Wish it weren't so hot in summer (even with a / c too hot) I'd move there.
I do not find the mountains in Palm Springs spectacular.
They are steel gray in color, barren, somewhat dreary, drab, and more like big hills than mountains.
They are definitely big mountains.
Sorry, there is absolutely no there there in Palm Springs.
Sorry to be trite.
There is just absolutely completely nothing there.
Just because it is absent the traffic and lack of parking spaces that LA has doesn't mean it is something.
r80, Jacinto Peak is 10,834 feet high. Are you perhaps a Sherpa?
The amazing thing is that they rise straight out of the desert floor and look like a fake movie backdrop when you're looking at them from the better views in PS.
I saw my first rattlesnake hiking in the trails there. It was a rush. I've seen roadrunners, tons of hummingbirds...
R73& 80 - WTF ? You and the 'steel gray mountains' . What color are they supposed to be ? They're mountains for Christ's sake ! And in winter, when it's 75- 80 out, nothing more beautiful then looking up and seeing them covered with snow, knowing it's 30-40 degrees cooler up there. If you don't like PS , that's fine. But stop with the 'steel gray mountains', and go visit the lovely mtns. of Arizona - my memory of them is they're 'puke colored'. O.K.
Do you care for architecture, r82 and other Palm Springs naysayers?
I want to know more about the sex lives of average L.A. citizens. Are many partnered? How's the dating scene like?
r82, what do you mean? Is there any there-there in Martha's Vineyard, La Jolla, Lahaina, Key West, Provincetown?
It's a getaway, not Paris.
Yes, R86, there is a there in the places you list.
It is called the OCEAN. And beautiful it is.
And many of the places you list have charm!
One funny thing about Los Angeles people is how so many of them frequently run off to Mexico to enjoy the ocean and/or beach and sun.
When Los Angeles and Orange County have ocean, beach, and sun.
And yes, I know Los Angeles gets chilly sometimes.
It is still funny/odd.
r87, you forget the lovely Salton Sea.
R86, Palm Springs may be a 'getaway' but I do not find it special in any way or delightful or charming.
Whereas LA people tend to portray it as special or some sort of paradise when it is no where near special or anything even close to a paradise.
It is bland and feels like a soul-less suburb including strip development.
r90, you may have been denied the better parts of Palm Springs.
Aannnd, back to the topic. I live in LA. I used to live in Chicago. In LA, I enjoy the near daily sunshine, temperate climate, the ability to be at the beach in 45 minutes. We get films that open first here, plenty of theatre, music, sports. We can park for free at many places w/o valeted garages. There are many hiking trails right in the middle of the city for exercising and socializing. Plants bloom year round. In some parts of LA: Brentwood, Palisades, Studio City, West Hollywood, I can park my car for free and run numerous errands: grocer, dry cleaners, post office, bank, coffee in flip flops 3/4 of the year. There's sometimes a run in w/ a celebrity somewhere that makes a boring moment a liitle more exciting to share w/ the folks back home-- who think their TV newscaster is a big deal. Yes, there's too much traffic, too many people who don't speak English, city has too many services cut: libraries, fire stations, parks, schools are compromised, underfunded and short changed. My Midwestern friends go in a funk in the long Jan-April doldrums. I make friends through work, volunteer work, social interests group, other friends. I relish the sunshine.
But I still live there, and I enjoy it. Compared to other places I've lived, I don't feel "Caged".
I love the desert smell and movie star glamour of Palm Springs .
movie star glamour?
Do you mean the houses that old and dead movie stars used to live in?
R92 You win ! An accurate, and well done description. I have friends who live in Chicago, and tell me the same - here, we have access to year round outdoor activities. The way they put it is, they really enjoy being outside only 4 months a year . Otherwise, weather, whether rain, snow, and /or wind, prevents it.
Yes dear R95.
R95 No ass, like in the past week I saw Sharon Stone at [...] cafe, in WeHo, Leo DiCaprio, driving by me on Sunset, and Hallie Berry picking out carrots, at Bristol Farms Grocery. That was in a few days. Maybe they weren't glamourous, but they're all stars. And it has always made livingin LA, as R92 said, a bit more fun, knowing you may see them at anytime. Like Lucy asked in that famous "I Love Lucy" Hollywood episode, before going to The Brown Derby, ' Isn't there anyplace they all gather at once, like horses at a watering hole ?' . Yes. LA.
I'll cut you r98 if you took a picture of Nala
Angelinos are wonderful. New Yorkers pollute the air with their craziness.
[quote] There's sometimes a run in w/ a celebrity somewhere that makes a boring moment a liitle more exciting to share w/ the folks back home-
But, R100, I feel like neither the number of remaining native Angelinos nor New Yorkers (or at least Manhattanites) constitutes a legitimate sample group.
[quote]There's something about the air or the sunlight there, the colors (like on flowers) just seemed more crisp and vivid.
It's called DRY AIR.
Lack of humidity makes for bright sunshine (and the need for sunglasses)
New York gets this weather for a week in the spring and maybe 3 weeks in the fall.
I always picture LA as it was portrayed in Annie Hall.
LA's mountain scenery is spectacular, it could easily have been the world's most beautiful city.
But it is not, and you often can't even see the mountains for smog.
It has a workaday vibe. It is a place where things happen, bubbling with energy and, unfortunately, edge. People aren't friendly.
After a couple months of driving around wondering at the variety it hits you that pretty much everything is second rate, like a giant DETROIT shit out on the Pacific coast.
Back when aerospace was king, it had a reputation for competence that it never deserved. Since that industry went bust, as did the low wage manufacturing that replaced it, it has become a place where most people are chronically under-employed, underpaid, and on edge.
People aren't "moving" to LA, and they haven't been for quite a few years. Net migration is away, but there is such a natural increase from Catholic and evangelical Mexicans that it continues to grow.
Some questions for the native Angelenos posting:
1)\tIf people are moving away, are they moving to other regions or other parts of the state
2)\tThe Public transit plans for the area are ambitious. Do you think LA will ever have the extensive light rail it did pre-auto and would you ride it instead of taking a car?
3)\tAre there any neighbourhoods that are “hipster ready”, meaning Williamsburg-in-waiting?
4)\tDo people there mix or is there still a lot of segregation. I have heard Texans say Mexicans seem to adapt better to their state better than to California.
5)\tWill downtown LA every become an area like say Midtown Manhattan in density, if not influence?
Texans say a lot of things. Actually, in a sense it's true because California is relentlessly commercial and individual, whereas Texas is all about tradition, violence, corruption, and deference to the rich. In the end, Texans are not cold and businesslike, and Mexicans can relate to that. Republicans, of course, would tell you the opposite, that California is full of crazy dreaming liberals and that business must have low taxes and low wages. But in the end, what they want is Mississippi, and Mississippi has been and is the worst state for growing a business.
Whereas, all the California crazy that you hear about, well, that's just experimental marketing. That's where tomorrow comes from.
Cynical and cold blooded, but there it is.
Echo Park is hipster ready. Twenty years ago it would have been Los Feliz and Silverlake, with mixed results.
Smog, R106? Are you posting from 1990? Yesterday I hiked Griffith Park -- the mountains across the valley were spectacularly clear. And I don't understand your math. How can LA 'continue to grow' and yet 'net migration is away?' According to the census, population grew 1.2% between 2010 and 2012.
Los Feliz, R107, and Silverlake, are terminally trendy. And downtown LA is an actual neighborhood now. It used to be only early settlers in scary lofts. Now it's one of the most exciting neighborhoods in LA -- great restaurants, galleries, clubs.
And yes, LA is still very segregated. I've lived here over 25 years and I've only been to South Central LA twice in all that time. East LA maybe 4 times.
People who keep commenting on the smog are repeating an old cliché about the area. The air quality has improved greatly due to changes in automobile emissions and the decline in dirty industry.
[quote] LA's mountain scenery is spectacular, it could easily have been the world's most beautiful city. But it is not, and you often can't even see the mountains for smog.
You should,have been here in the late 60s/early 70s. The mountains were obscured by smog almost every summer day. We had smog alerts.
Now there's maybe one or 2 days a year where the mountains are behind a smoggy veil for part of a day. I don't know where you live that you say it happens often, but it isn't anywhere in L.A.
Well I don't live in LA but have visited many times--business. I'll tell you what I DON'T like about it. It's the lack of consistency regarding architecture. I have literally had a headache because of it. You see one house of one style and then right next to it you have another totally different style, and so on, and so on. It drives me batty!!! There are two areas of where I have a sense of some calm because their is "some type" of sameness and that is in Venice Beach and Belair.
I dislike that there are no communities except I do like Sherman Oaks. You can walk to restaurants, banks, gyms, bars, shopping stores, food store etc. Every other place I have visited required hopping into a car. WeHo, even feels a bit more suburban to me than "village" or community. Finally, the traffic! UGH!
You see the Santa Monicas but often not the San Gabriels which are the truly spectacular mountains.
The San Gabriels are perfectly clear today, R114.
Smog is really a thing of the past. Are you mistaking the marine layer for smog?
Can you see the Santa Rachels?
I lived there and was a struggling movie studio drone for a few years. I actually loved it. My bf at the time and I shopped the farmers markets and Trader Joe's...got really good cheap California wine. So we ate and drank really well for two people with a combined income of 70k.
It helped that I love the movies. Saw on average 3 a week at lots of cool theaters: The Nu Art, The New Beverly, Laemmles Sunset 5.
We hit the beach a ton then would eat and drink cheaply at this awesome Mexican place in Venice.
Also, did a ton of galleries, MOCA, Bergamot Station, Baby Bergamot. Saw bands at Jabberjaw, Spaceland and Fais Do-do. Partied at The Garage, Al's Bar, Faultine, The Eagel etc.
Pride was always fun. Revolver, Mickeys, The Motherlode.
A special night out for dinner was at Marix (ha).
Anyway - we were totally average and managed to have a really active life. I could never live there again. The eastern seaboard is in my blood.
But it seemed to be, at the time, a more forgiving city than Manhattan.
Downtown LA should have been built on the ocean.
Here is my biggest question, as a New Yorker, about LA - when people are going to be doing socializing that includes drinking, do they call cabs to get to and from the place (which, with all the talk about LA being so spread out and with so much traffic, I imagine would be expensive)? Or do people just routinely drive drunk?
LA is an awesome place to visit simply because you DON'T have to worry about the day to day mortgage/rent, car insurance, daily commute to work, etc, etc.
I get there as often as possible and love it as a destination. I remember visiting friends that lived in the LA area and when I asked them about going to the beach, they said they hadn't been to the beach in about a year. I thought that was pretty sad.
R119 people routinely drive drunk. Everywhere, every night. It's insane.
If in a group, R119, a designated driver. Otherwise, Uber works great. And if you're out drinking, it's usually late at night when the traffic is light.
Everyone is very careful when they're loaded.
Has anyone been to the Salton Sea? What's it like?
"Otherwise, Uber works great. And if you're out drinking, it's usually late at night when the traffic is light."
But wouldn't you also have had to pay to get there earlier in the evening when there's still traffic, thus making it a very expensive ride? Or is this Uber thing not metered?
[quote] 1) If people are moving away, are they moving to other regions or other parts of the state
Out of the state. Companies are leaving for tax and regulation reasons. Rich people for taxes. Middle Class move to where the jobs are. Even Hollywood shoots out of state now.
[quote]2) The Public transit plans for the area are ambitious. Do you think LA will ever have the extensive light rail it did pre-auto and would you ride it instead of taking a car?
They had a good thing and fucked it up. Building the freeways killed the streetcar network which was the most extensive in the country. New transit is too political to be of much practical use. Like the light rail that "almost" goes to LAX. WFT? Long Beach has had some success with it's light rail to downtown, but most people don't even work downtown.
[quote]3) Are there any neighbourhoods that are “hipster ready”, meaning Williamsburg-in-waiting?
Most have been colonized already. Silver Lake, Eagle Rock, Anywhere that has old housing stock (pre-housing tracts) is a candidate.
[quote]4) Do people there mix or is there still a lot of segregation. I have heard Texans say Mexicans seem to adapt better to their state better than to California.
The freeways create a "wrong side of the tracks" effect, and often serve as boundries for ethnic groups. White people tend to stick to very specific parts of town. West of the 405 FWY and the hills between the 10 and the 101 FWYs.
[quote]5) Will downtown LA every become an area like say Midtown Manhattan in density, if not influence?
[quote]Has anyone been to the Salton Sea? What's it like?
An open sewer.
[quote]I remember visiting friends that lived in the LA area and when I asked them about going to the beach, they said they hadn't been to the beach in about a year. I thought that was pretty sad.
To be fair I was talking to friends who live in Boston (Back Bay) the other day and asked them about taking in all the culture, getting to the museums the MFA, ICA, the Gardner, etc. They said they hadn't been in several years! Would take family and friends when they visited from out of town but otherwise stayed away. Now that I found sad.
My friend did say something funny: "We like to know it's here, so we can brag about it and feel special. But we don't exactly GO there ourselves much."
Why live in Los Angeles if one does not love the ocean?
I'm just asking....
Okay, the temperate climate....but what else?
There is more to the geography of LA than just the ocean. There are the mountains and the deserts too -- both of which appeal to me much more than the ocean.
Do people living in Los Angeles not go to the beach and ocean because it is too cumbersome to get there and logistically not always easy to go to the beach and ocean?
I know some of the beach areas are not aesthetically pleasing like industrial Long Beach and where the oil tanks are.
Here's a dirty little secret about the beach.
People who live on or near the beach, never go. They look at it and enjoy the weather.
The third world masses from the sweltering valley and inland empire go to the beach all the time.
What about walks along the beach, R132?
You're saying they look at the ocean and beach - well, that's fine - at least they are enjoying the ocean and beach by looking at it.
I was referring to people who do not go near the ocean or beach when they live say 10 minutes to 45 minutes from it. What are the reasons for not going to the ocean for those people?
R133 see post at r128 about Boston. It's a kind of familiarity breeding contempt type of thing.
"We like to know it's here, so we can brag about it and feel special. But we don't exactly GO there ourselves much."
At least in LA , you guys dont have to worry about hurricanes (like Sandy) we've had so many of lately - they destroyed the Jersey Shore, parts of NYC shoreline. And one could hit again, right when were getting back on our feet. In LA , you do have earthquakes, but a bad one hits,what, every 10 -15 years, if that. We're sitting ducks each year, between the hurricanes, nor-easters,heavy snow - it's relentless.
A lot of lower Manhattan was under water during and after Hurricane Sandy recently, and power was off for a very long time. Quite scary.
Lower Manhattan is under threat of being flooded again.
r132 nailed it. The beaches are not like they were in the 60ies and 70ies. It's nice to drive to Malibu or walk by when doing errands in beach cities along the coast. I do not know anyone in L.A. who plans a day at the beach anymore.
R139, but the question is why?
Why are you and others not going to the the ocean and/or beach?
Because of the third world masses crowding or flocking to the beaches?
R140 I don't go to the beach often because of the traffic, parking, etc. However, when I go out of town, I like to go the beaches in less crowded areas, like the Central Coast (Santa Barbara and points north). Lovely and uncrowded.
What is wrong with the parking situation when one goes to the beach?
I'm just asking....
And by traffic, do you mean there is too much traffic right around the beach or in getting to the beach from where you live?
Huntington Beach is gigantically wide. I don't think it can get all that crowded as it is so wide and long.
But is it because the only really aesthetic beaches are Laguna Beach and Malibu?
Huntington Beach and Laguna Beach are an hour at least from Los Angeles metro area. Venice beach, a half hour from West Hollywood on a good day. Not lots of parking lots in L.A. beach area. Pricy to park there and not relaxing due to crowds and side shows.
R139, by saying the beaches are not like they were in the 1960's and 1970's, do you mean less crowded, less hectic, more relaxing, and few, if any, third world masses?
What else makes them not like the 1960's and 1970's?
r144. all the above. The city was less crowded and beaches were not congested even in the summer unless there was a heat wave which kids out of school for the summer loved. 80 degree water temp in the Pacific doesn't happen too often.
Everyone in Los Angeles had a favorite beach to go to and people were pretty loyal to that spot whether it was Santa Monica, State Beach, Zuma or Surfrider, Malibu etc.
Also, for those of you on the east or Gulf coasts-- remember that the water is much colder in the Pacific (until you go much further south ... like Mexico.) When I was a kid we used to go to beaches in the Monterey Bay area and that water was cold even in August. It's somewhat warmer in southern California, but still not as warm as you're used to.
The third world invasion has turned entire neighborhoods of LA into shitboxes.
Are there any nice areas to walk along the shore/beach/ocean other than Laguna Beach and Malibu?
Manhattan beach - The Strand..
Seal Beach (the first city in Orange County going south from Long Beach) has a cute little main street/downtown area that ends in a pier that you can walk out on. And parking isn't too bad there, either.
Sandra Bullock used to live with her husband in Seal Beach.
Actually r151 HE lived there and I dropped by occasionally would be a more accurate way to phrase it.
Jesses house was / is in Sunset Beach not Seal Beach.
I think his motorcycle shop was is in Seal Beach
The bike shop was in Long Beach and then he moved it to austin, tx.
Sunset Beach is a small housing development on top of a big cliff overlooking the ocean.
Jesse's house was not of a big cliff in the small housing development of Sunset Beach which has 92 houses.
Third world masses instantly turn everything they touch into shit
[quote] I was referring to people who do not go near the ocean or beach when they live say 10 minutes to 45 minutes from it.
Because when you live 10 to 45 mins from the beach, it actually takes 30 mins to 2 hours to get there in traffic. And then you have to find parking.
Los Angeles? It's like Detroit except with palm trees.
Where would you live in the LA area if you were a very Preppy, East Coast WASP who was relocating?
Pacific Palisades, R160. If you can afford it.
Does dick get sucked at the Ocean Park Blvd. beach at night any longer?
R163 "Memories, light the corner Of my mind........."
Preppies go to San Francisco, r60 -- not LA.
Once upon a time they might go to San Marino or nice Pasadena or North Glendale or Sierra Madre, but those areas have all been overrun by aggressive immigrants.
Even SF has decayed except in the Santa Cruz mountains or Marin.
Manhattan Beach, Newport Beach is too inbred and Mormony.
Newport Beach used to be populated by rich swingers.
Marina Del Rey has the swingers.
Pilots, Stews, and Divorced dads.
Avoid South East of the city, where all the Tea Party, Home Schoolers and NRA types live. (Corona etc.)
It's called the Inland Empire, r172.
No, the Inland empire is Riverside-San Bernardino area.
Isn't Corona in Riverside County, R174?
Yes Corona is in riverside county and part of the inland empire .
Enough already with the "LA traffic is a nightmare" posts. Many times it is, but it is SO much better driving your car with the A/C on listening to your favorite tunes than being in a crowded subway in NYC with someone's armpit in your face (not to mention the constant subway diatribe that begins with "ladies and gentlemen, I am homeless...")
Nonsense R177. On the subway there is the possibility of a sexual encounter. In your car, there is the possibility of road rage and drive by shootings.
I have had people pull up to me in convertibles and on motorcycles, looking to talk. It is LA as hell and unforgettable. Rare, but still
[quote]I have had people pull up to me in convertibles and on motorcycles, looking to talk.
I've had that too, but people just say: "hey dumbass, you have a flat tire"
I'm average anywhere I go.
A New York "5" is a Los Angeles "3".
Average is relative
R165 DSL = Dick Sucking Lips
Oh, yes, R183. Mine and theirs.
What's it like to live in LA as an average citizen?
As with the guy who said his NYC is gone, our LA got eaten by Mexicans and Asians.
R186 Well, they've certainly changed things, I'll give you that. I've noticed in my area that one by one, almost all of the "mainstream" supermarkets (e.g., Ralphs, Vons, Albertsons) have been replaced by Asian or Hispanic stores.
Everyone got laid a lot in the 70s. It was GREAT.
True r186. They've made everything lower-class and just grungy.