He has done more for gay civil rights than any other President. ObamaCare puts him in the history books. First Black President. I think he'll go down as being one of the best Presidents our nation has ever had.
What a joke
Care to elaborate R3?
R3 stop worrying about your dick.
Obviously being the first black president. What he has done for gay rights is historic also, there will never be another democratic president or contender who isn't 100% pro-gay rights because of him.
His big significant accomplishment will be healthcare reform. He passed a bill where everyone else for decades before him has failed. It isn't perfect, hell we still don't know exactly how it will play it, but it will be his defining legislation and part of his legacy.
He'll go down in history as second worst president, next to Jimmy Carter.
r1 [quote]first black President
Quit saying he's black! Barack Obama is NOT black!!! His mother was a white woman.
R6 is correct. Besides being TFBP, he'll be remembered for the healthcare reform that (in popular usage) bears his name. I have faith he will be championed for this association, much like FDR with the New Deal. It will be his lasting legacy and yet another "ordinary" government initiative that we won't imagine living without.
R7 voted for George W. Bush twice.
[quote]there will never be another democratic president or contender who isn't 100% pro-gay rights because of him.
Well, at least until the wind shifts against us. The only reason his thoughts on gay rights and marriage "evolved" is because he reads the polls, not because of some great moral sense of leadership.
I just can't with people like R11 anymore. I just can't.
Rather cynical R11? Early in his term he said his Administration would no longer defend DOMA which began the dismantling of anti-gay legislation. He is trying to get ENDA passed (Employment Non-Discrimination Act) So, I would say there is some kind of moral sense to him.
I know what you mean, r12.
Obama, at his 2nd swearing-in, could have taken the oath of office on a pink bible while wearing a tie with pink triangles on it and the likes of r11 STILL would not be satisfied.
Anyway,what everybody else said.
Let me be clear
Not taking R11's side at all, but Della you really need to stop telling gay people here how to feel about gay rights or gay issues. You're not gay so you don't have that right.
Biggest Pussy President EVER!
First Brown President
Middle East Peace by Diplomacy
Saved the USA economy
"Dumb Della" strikes again.
Way to deliberately miss my point, r17. I wouldn't presume to tell anybody who is gay about how to feel about gay rights and gay issues.
I'm telling you about Obama's feelings about gay rights and gay issues and how, from any objective standpoint, he has gone further then any other POTUS.
There is much to criticize about Obama, but whenever anybody, be they gay, straight, bi, animal, mineral or vegetable finds fault with him about gay rights, I question their motives.
I stand by my post at r14.
Feckless leader. First biracial president (not Black, not White, biracial). Monumental liar, manipulator, Chicago huckster. Possibly first gay president, though I doubt that. First downlow "bi" president? R2 is hilarious.
But, what does it matter? Every SINGLE president in my lifetime has been a pile of shit. It's a "whatever" proposition. They ALL suck corporate lobbyist cock for their dinners.
Poor going in.... rich coming out.
Funny how that works!
He will be remembered for all of the bullshit he has had take.
He seems as if he will be remembered for his foreign policy given his phone call with Iran and how Syria is shaping up.
[quote]The only reason his thoughts on gay rights and marriage "evolved" is because he reads the polls, not because of some great moral sense of leadership.
The only reason his thoughts "evolved" is because Joe Biden's thoughts evolved first, and he went on a Sunday morning show telling the world that he's actively in favor of gay rights (which he was entirely right to do). The president HAD TO follow his lead after that. There was never any chance that the party would allow them to hold publicly differing views. It would have been the subject of every single press conference and interview with the White House that followed Biden's endorsement. It would have made the president look weak and the whole party look stupid, it would have derailed every other issue they tried to talk about.
But yes, it was not because Obama possess some great moral sense of leadership. We have seen quite clearly in this, and many other issues, that that's not the case. On gay right in particular, he was a follower. I won't argue that his following of Biden's lead, indeed acting as leadership for some of the country, but the REAL credit for that leadership is due to the VP.
He will be remembered for bringing the old white racist male politicians over the edge and for exposing where these ReThug creeps stand re their true colors about 'all Americans'.
Obama has basically exposed these lying thieving ReThug charlatans for what they truly are!
The man who single handedly lost the House to Republicans for a generation.
he idolizes the Russians and Muslims. what do you see in the future for gays? Look at the whole picture.
The end of the United States of America.
Presiding over the death of the Republican party, brought about by braindead tea-bagging morons like R28.
And.... What does your fantasy have to do with Obama's legacy, R33? ( hey, psst..., someone call 911, but don't make a scene of it - shhhhh, easy - smile like you agree and stuff, just nod and smile...)
And you attribute that to OBAMA, R35? For reals? Have you never heard of Zeitgeist? He's just camping on - remember, he was against the queers before he was FOR the queers? My GOD at the sycophants! The LULZ just keep on-a-coming. Political infants...
What R6 said.
Proof that there's still a whole lot of very old, very powerful, very rich, very mean men who hated the idea of a younger black man changing things for the better for the rest of us. To them, we're (less wealthy people) like cockroaches. You don't help them up, you smash them with the tip of your shoe.
Middle East Peace by Diplomacy
r19, you're kidding right? Do you even know what's been going on in Egypt, Iran, Syria and Israel? Right now Assad is laughing at Obama because of the chemical weapons deal.
Exactly what r30 said. Don't be fooled by Obama's love for the gays. It will disappear in a dhimmi minute.
Health care reform, gay rights and, it seems more and more likely, diplomacy.
R33 / R35 Love how you have some fairy tale idea that all LGBT people are kind, compassionate and fair and in the next breath talk about eliminating those who don't agree with you and "making them pay". You think you're so liberal, but what you really want is a totalitarian dictatorship ... so long as it aligns with YOUR ideals.
Much like Bill Clinton, the people believed that they finally had someone in office who was one of them, that would represent their hopes and dreams. They saw the chance for real change. Only for it all to be dashed because the oligarchy is our real government, the President really can't affect actual change, his behavior makes him far more conservative than voters were led to believe, he's in their pocket reaching for their wallet just like all the other politicians.
Real change in this country would have to be revolutionary. And we're all too busy watching Friends reruns and eating Cheetos to give a damn.
R45 Just stop already with that wannabe militant noise. You really are chock full of crazy.
A dream killer, frankly, for the many who believed in him with the kind of fever I witnessed.
R46 sounds more militant than r45!
Hope and change
[quote] The only reason his thoughts "evolved" is because Joe Biden's thoughts evolved first, and he went on a Sunday morning show telling the world that he's actively in favor of gay rights (which he was entirely right to do). The president HAD TO follow his lead after that.
You don't really believe that, do you? Joe Biden's statement on Meet the Press was no accident. He knew exactly what he was doing, and so did Obama. Biden's comments were a test, a trial balloon to see how the public would react. If there was anger and outrage over Biden's support for gay marriage, Obama would have said that Biden misspoke and moved on. But since there was little negative reaction, Obama announced his support too.
Obama has always been pro-gay rights. He only claimed to be against gay marriage because he was afraid he wouldn't be elected if he said otherwise (the same reason Hillary Clinton and every single other serious Democratic presidential candidate also opposed gay marriage). Thanks to Obama, that has now changed forever, and future Democratic presidential candidates will no longer be afraid to say they support gay marriage. That's a pretty big deal.
First Moslem President who is a wanna be Christian but isn't! His last days in office, they will shave his head and the number 666 will be marked on the top of his head. Complete destruction of free enterprise and the American way of living.
Married Cheata's stand in for the Tarzan movies. They could be identical twins.
First dark-skinned President, Health Care Reform, Advanced Gay Rights, Middle East Peace by Diplomacy, Saved the USA economy from Cheney/Bush debacle.
I would be interested in learning from those who are disappointed with the President exactly what are your disappointments? What more were you or are you expecting?
He'll be remembered for ignoring and avoiding the Middle East problems through more than half of his time in office. His red line goof with Syria and rescue by John Kerry and the U.N. will long be remembered by historians.
He'll be remembered for advances in gay rights during his administration. Those who really pay attention to history will not forget how he delayed the repeal of DADT until the last minute and how he said "God" was part of his views of gay marriage. It was Joe Biden who pushed aside God's involvement in Obama's avoidance of full marriage equality support.
Health care reform. That's it.
A couple of you have mentioned this, but it's interesting how little attention it's gotten. And it's key to everything: He saved the US economy after Bush left the country poised on the edge of disaster.
I would have liked Obama to do more. Send the Wall St crooks to jail, for example. Institute single payer health care, instead of the reform we've gotten.
But he's been a responsible steward of this country. He's made progress.
And I will remind you, since I was a kid when Johnson put Medicare into effect: The conservatives hated Medicare, too. They tried to block it. They said it wouldn't work. They hollered and screamed.
And now it's considered a huge achievement, though one that's needing reform these days (reform it won't get, because again Republicans are trying to stand in the way of progress).
The first big step in Health Care Reform. I do hope that the next Democratic president takes it another step further to public health care.
His Nobel Prize for Peace is a joke. We're still bleeding money on wars.
The immigration reform - at the standstill.
Social economy - at its lowest.
And then this:
After five years in office, with the economy in limbo, Obama's healthcare plan has caused businesses to cut back on employee's hours and limit hiring.
[quote]He seems as if he will be remembered for his foreign policy given his phone call with Iran and how Syria is shaping up.
Obama will be vilified for his foreign policy for decades, hon. That's one thing the international community hates him for. The drones scandal will never be forgotten, nor the prosecution of whistleblowers. So don't try touting that line of work of his.
It's NOT health care reform. It's a joke. It was written by the insurance industry.
Obama will be lauded by gays for gay rights, even though he started off with his whole "god is in the mix" nonsense. He'll also be remembered for being the first non-white president. That's about it for the "positive" column. We still have three more years for him to fuck up.
Rescuing the economy in general. Saving the auto industry, and Wall Street. Remember,the economy, was literally in free fall as he was being sworn in. If you can't remember how truly terrifying that damned mess was from summer of '08, you need a brain transplant.
Killing Osama Bin Laden
Ending the War with Iraq
His use of drones, no matter what side you're on about it, revolutionized the way we deal with terrorism and warfare, just like the planes did in WWII and the HUEY helicopters did in Vietnam. The upside is that drones save lives and money and are generally more precise.
Reinstating better relationships with foreign governments. The world hated us when Bush was President. Hated us.
But honestly, the 2014 elections will affect his legacy. If he can't regain Democratic control of the House, and a good solid working majority in the Senate to get some work done and get rid of these obstructionist clowns, we are all screwed. The GOP has some really bad shit in store for us.
R43 Democrats are their own worst enemy. Obama always said in order for things to get done, people had to hold his feet to the fire so to speak. And yet when people did that on gay rights and healthcare reform, some "Democrats" bitched and moaned and swore it would usher in Republican rule for sure.
And yet when Obama endorsed gay marriage, nothing happened. These same clowns with their shut up and toe the party line are still screaming the same tired arguments (I'm surprised 2010 hasn't been brought up yet, that's the standard go to for these Professional Whiners) But they've become the bitter protestors still standing there as the bus has left them in the dust. But they will NOT BE IGNORED!!
If we had listened to these "democrats" we would still be where we were in 2008. They did nothing to get us to where we are now. Healthcare reform on the rise, and the first President who has gone on record as supporting gay marriage. What a difference three years make.
As we can clearly see, it doesn't pay to stay silent and be a doormat. Too bad we didn't learn that lesson decades ago.
While Obama is trying to "make nice" with Middle Eastern leaders they laugh at him. They know that POWER rules the world, not bowing and groveling.
I'm mistrustful of politicians on principle, but I honestly think Obama has done more positive and progressive things while in office than any other president in my lifetime. I can't see how anyone could have done better, given the realities of the moronic asshole Republicans he has to fight against every step of the way.
The ACA is a huge step, flawed, yes, but I believe it'll be seen as the first baby step to a humane civilized society here. Unless the morons find a way to obliterate it.
I think his foreign policy has been measured and reasonable, given what he had to work with. Same with his economic policy.
I'm only sorry he can't have another term. I don't think the Dems will come up with anyone as good in 2016.
Just to add an outsider perspective: Tommy Douglas, the left-leaning politician who brought universal health care to Canada, is consistently ranked in survey after survey as the greatest Canadian ever by a vast majority of Canadian citizens.
While Obama's legacy will include economic issues (just like any leader), breakthroughs in LGBT rights, foreign policy successes and failures, and simply the fact of breaking the color barrier at the presidential level, it is health care reform that will lead the list, since it directly and personally affects everyone.
First Black President: Yes, black. Unless there are no black people in America then. Virtually all black Americans have white admixture. Some with two black parents have more white DNA in them than Obama who's genetically blacker than most because of his pure African father). Also, he self-identifies as black and his blackness is the sole reason racism from the right is on the rise.
Obamacare: Most significant piece of legislation since LBJ's civil rights act.
The Economy: He brought America from the brink, preventing a catastrophe not seen since the Great Depression.
Gay Rights: There has never been a more pro-gay president and future democratic candidates will openly be for gay rights thanks to him. The unstoppable roll towards gay marriage happened on his watch.
Respect abroad: If strikes against Syria are avoided, he'll become the anti-war president because he thinks and listens before pulling the trigger.
I like what R19 said:
First Brown President (and putting up with the obstinate opposition).
Gay Rights (regardless of why, he did it, none-the-less)
Middle East Peace by Diplomacy (regardless of how, he is doing it, none-the-less
Saved the USA economy
Also Ending two wars. I'd also say Saved world economy, not just USA.
One may disagree about the worth of what he's done, but I hope we can agree that there have been a lot of changes by him.
Oh, and Barack may yet be responsible for the death of the Republican Party as it splinters into the Tea Party and Libertarian wings.
LOL at white people trying to take Obama from black people after he didn't fail like some had hoped.
He got the Republican Party into the warm bathtub and he opened their vein.
Pluses: Responsible stewardship. ACA.
Negatives: Gets rolled a lot. Nobel Peace Prize unearned.
That Nobel Prize is his Lewinsky as far as embarrassment goes.
R72, you're wonderful,
[quote] The Obama Legacy: What Shall It Be?
Keeping his head up. Rising above the blatant racism spewed at him by the Repubs, white nationalist wannabes, the occasional entitled white queen on DL and focusing on his job.
Yes, as R63 said, killing Osama Bin Ladin was a HUGE thing. At least, it meant a lot to me. That was a bold decision he made. If the mission failed, he would have looked like Jimmy Carter after "Black Hawk Down", which was not good.
Also, as R63 also mentioned, saving the auto industry was also bold and important.
I understand, R62. But that is still the answer to this thread. I will also note that Barack Obama's two elections will also be a part of his legacy. Especially with the realigning presidential election - favoring the Democrats - with his first in 2008.
Campaigns will never be the same. First internet president.
It will be the Trans Pacific Partnership trade deal in which he turns over US sovereignty to foreign corporation.
Do keep in mind that a "legacy" is not all positive. There will be decisions he made with negative consequences, or decisions he failed to make, or WTF-ever, that are part of his legacy. I often marvel how Bill Clinton is unjustifiably popular in spite of some really significant things that happened on his watch that have come back to bite us in our collective asses: NAFTA, DADT, DOMA, and the whole Glass-Steagall banking deregulation mess.
Bill truly set the stage for many of our messes. The fact that he went to work at the Carlyle Group and became great friends with 41 & eventually 43, is pretty telling.
Don't look for the banking community or corporate America to do anything like that for Obama. Clinton was representing the interests of foreign governments to the U.S. Congress in his post presidency.
Obama is so incredibly inept at negotiating with Congress, and deal making, the best he can hope for is a lucrative post Presidency making speeches. He does that really well.
"Campaigns will never be the same. First internet president."
R81, aren't you being a bit disingenuous? How can negotiate with people who really do not want to negotiate? This guy has had a time of it ever since his first day in office. A lot of that happened because (IMHO) he really never had a tenure in Congress and the opportunity to build a network. I think that's why we have Biden as VP but even with that the Republicans are hell-bent (so far without much success) of destroying the guy.
Gays thanking Obama for marriage equality should be thanking Joe Biden. He forced the President's hand.
Obama has proven that you don't have to be politically experienced to be a decent president. What you do have to be is intelligent, well- educated and well-read, with the ability to think analytically. Then you need the sense to listen to experts and consider conventional wisdom.
Finally, Obama is the first Black president and he'd tell you that himself.
He failed to start the progressive movement the country needs. Dems are in disarray and have made no progress moving the country to the left. The country is trending left of its own accord, but badly directed and bewildered. So far only Republicans have benefited.
He is the best president we've had in a long time, but the economic crisis called for a great man, and he clearly is not that. He has not been a skilled manager because of too many incompetent Clinton retreads and ignorant worthless economists in his staff, but he has been way more intelligent in his direction of them since every president since LBJ.
But his big failure has been political not managerial. He had a chance to change the debate in America from cold war slogans to a more fruitful level and he has failed to do so because he spends all his time chatting up Congress and foreign leaders and celebrities instead of the people of the United States.
In the end he doesn't understand what's gone wrong with America's economy and so he's not prepared to fix it.
Obamacare is a good step, gay rights excellent progress, diplomacy somewhat improved but the arrogance and interventionism is still there, the domestic spying is ludicrous and evil, but not the step we needed.
The country has only declined on his watch, but to be fair there is nobody who could have been elected in 2008 of whom the same thing could not have been said. He was the best we could get. But not what we need.
Actually, R85, he spends no time "chatting up Congress" including the Democrats in Congress. Republicans are R-soles right now but Democrats won't take a bullet for Obama because he ignores them.
Pivots too much. Floats an idea and moves on. Not many effective surrogates. Not good when you are in effect selling a huge health-care rollout to the entire US.
Proof that The Man always wins
R86 is correct. I know in my bones that the Republican Party is hateful and obstructionist.
I know they refuse to cooperate with him for no good reason. But I do also think he harms himself with the public by not standing firm on things. He gives in too readily.
If he knows they won't come around, he needs to get strong on them, and stand firm anyway. He needs to build his political capital with the public, and the public responds to certitude. The public responds to someone who stands up for what he believes.
I didn't vote for a Facilitator in Chief, I voted for a President. I hate it when this President says, on the campaign trail, "I hear you, America" then he goes back to the White House and negotiates away the very things he said he would stand firm on.
There is no follow up. One day he's advocating for an increase to the Minimum Wage, the next day he makes a speech about the environment, then another day he is talking about cutting Social Security benefits.
He is all over the place. There are all kinds of ways to compel Congress to do the right thing. Coercion by outside forces is a way he rarely explores.
He needs to be a good horse trader. A dealmaker. Everything is about compromise and trade offs. For him to expect people to "do the right thing" is foolish. He knows better. He is arrogant to think he will change the culture of Washington with a "high road" (as he defines it) approach.
As Chuck Colson famously said " If you grab them by the balls,their hearts & minds will follow." This President both too timid and too disdainful. He knew who he was dealing with before he ever announced for President. WTF did he think would happen? That the seas would part, and we'd all hold hands and walk thru together singing Kumbaya?
Same lies as the old regime. Both parties suck and essentially the same. Forgotten in 100 yrs.' time.
[quote]While Obama's legacy will include economic issues (just like any leader), breakthroughs in LGBT rights, foreign policy successes and failures, and simply the fact of breaking the color barrier at the presidential level, it is health care reform that will lead the list, since it directly and personally affects everyone.
Doubtful on the health care front. It will have to be majorly overhauled yet again, and that person will be deemed the "savior." Obama will merely get a footnote, a step up from Hillary Clinton back in the 1990s. He did however break through the 'health care will never be touched' idea. Hopefully, he's gotten the ball rolling. As far as legacy in relation to it, probably not much.
[quote]His use of drones, no matter what side you're on about it, revolutionized the way we deal with terrorism and warfare, just like the planes did in WWII and the HUEY helicopters did in Vietnam. The upside is that drones save lives and money and are generally more precise.
You're a frightening, cretin.
[quote]Reinstating better relationships with foreign governments. The world hated us when Bush was President. Hated us.
Bwahahaha! They hate us more now than ever. Man, you are the poster child for the insular American. Obama is seen as a madman. He's hated more than Bush on the world stage. Look at what happened to Hillary Clinton is a place like Egypt. You haven't seen hatred until you visit the Middle East and much of Europe when it comes to US foreign relations right now. The UK screamed for Parliament to stand up to Obama and oppose any intervention Syrian intervention. They do not like Obama. Israel overwhelmingly despises Obama. You need to start listening to people abroad. It's hard to believe but Obama is seen as more dangerous to the international community than Bush now. They look at things like Wikileaks and Obama co's reaction, and are outraged. It just keeps piling on, and makes the US appear to be living under a tyrant. BTW, I don't agree with that assessment, but the international community has already made up its mind.
You are just out of your fucking mind.
You wish to speak about "positive" legacy, don't bring up anything having to do with foreign policy.
...Keep this in mind:
You would think that Obama would be hailed as the guy who killed Osama bin Laden. He's gotten next to no political capital from it. That tells you how much of a legacy Obama will leave in the minds of the average America. Killing bin Laden should be the biggest thing to happen in American modern history. No one even cares now.
R91 you're nuts. Obama is not hated more than Bush. But I do believe that Obama does not exploit his capital the way he should. He needs to get more traction out of his achievements. His messaging sucks.
Ignore the freepers--and ignore the embittered leftists, who are simply the flip side of the freeper coin. Neither would be happy with anything done by Obama.
The Lily Ledbetter Act
The Affordable Health Care Act
Support for gay and lesbian rights
The auto industry bail out
On the foreign front, an end to the war in Iraq and deciding to gamble on Putin's suggestion about Syria. Also, there is the thaw with Iran. I predict he will go there in the next couple of years.
I can only imagine what DL posters would be like had there been an Internet during the Depression. The critics of FDR were not only conservative but also on the left--in fact, they were just as viscious on the left as the right.
Wait 20, maybe 30 years. He will rank as one of the best in the last century, and his blend of pragmatic politics and liberal beliefs will be the bar for future Democratic contenders.
r91, Obama is not hated more than Bush. Virtually every country in world (with the exception of Israel and Pakistan) supported his reelection over Romney. Obama is seen as someone who listens and open to changing his mind, thinks before he acts rather than shoot from the hip. If Bush were president, we would have had strikes against Syria and Iran by now.
Obamacare. Not really a good start!
Obama's approval numbers are approaching GWB's.
I have a feeling they will only get worse because of the epic failure of Obamacare.
He fiddled while the planet burned.
Half black president
The last two years will be barn burners. Hold on to your hats when he starts doing things for the last time...
Obama will get credit for gay civil rights but let's not forget - because I was in that room when he said it and won't forget it- during the election he was not for gay marriage he wasn't thrilled about repealing DADT/DOMA. Now, others had been working on this for many years, he became President, changed his mind (thankfully) and takes credit for others work. That is what President's do I suppose. In the future we won't have to worry about this. Both sides of the aisle (and the country) have changed so much, we'll have their support from the get go. And that also is a result of so many's efforts since the 50s60s until present. It just all got ramped up here fast and the last ten years have been (dont hate me for using this old tired expression but still love it) Amazeballs. ObamaCare? Sigh. I will say this I am HAPPY to see healthcare in my lifetime and I'm still young. Its just a very flawed program I hope someone comes and fixes, those that really need it I'm not sure will get it. Businesses having to re-adjust and some other things. Not a FANTASTIC President he is, even hard line dems will say he is no Bill Clinton. And Clinton, with all his random personal issues - I believe was truly a great man. This all being said the election of Obama was historic and I will never forget that night - also something I never thought I'd see in my lifetime and so proud for race relations. A little hard to have been so excited and days later we figured out the results in California and the major voting blocks who voted against gay marriage -- BUT have forgiven. That was a real shock. Ok stepping off political soap box.
A really bad two weeks for the President. Republicans are coming in with the knives just as the Senate did with Caesar.
"His big significant accomplishment will be healthcare reform."
Nah, that's been a debacle. His presidency has been a failure.
Without gay votes he would never have won. And he knows it.
The irony is that this mildly homophobic man will be mostly remembered as the POTUS in the White House when gay folks achieved huge civil rights victories.
The Drone President. In more senses than one.
Sasha and Malia?
Oprah's BFF President
Michelle's horrific dress sense
Being forced to accept the un-stopable gay marriage tsunami
There will be 3 different takes on his legacy. We no longer have a coherent narrative like when Cronkite was on the air or when FDR gave a speech and 85% of the population listened.
The right wing people live in their news bubble and it's a big one, they will twist his legacy to their liking.
The mainstream media will fall in line with their corporate overlords to say something that sounds balanced and leave out much of the important stuff.
The liberal media which is smaller than the right and who only the liberals listen to, but ate more honest, will lament all the missed opportunities and his lack of being able to fulfill his promises due to the insane obstructionism that ground legislation to a halt preventing him from achieving his goals. They will be harsh on drones, spying and coziness with Wall Street. But they will also give him his due where deserved.
Something a lot of people miss, and he wants it this way for now, is all the executive orders on climate change regulations that will make a difference.
I think the auto bailout and his handling of the Libyan revolution are understated. Libya may be in decline now, but he stopped a mass slaughter when the rest of our allies were just going to let it happen and it went exactly as planned. The bailout was a huge risk and disaster averted too.
He walked into an insane time which would have overwhelmed a lesser man and much of his success had been from a basic competence that was not there during the Bush years, And Clinton didn't have a fraction of real crisis or obstruction that Obama had to deal with so people remember him well because it was a good calm time with a robust economy.
GOP & FOX News WRONG again on Economy & Obamacare! - Chris Hayes
The minute he leaves office, he will be considered the greatest president we've ever had (and he has done many great things) and the media will be all over why that was lost on everyone during his presidency, even though the media is the cause, as the media will be in telling us at that point what a great president he was without calling attention to all of the shit he pulled, which isn't nec. worse than any other president, but is still pretty bad, but is completely different than all the shit we've been hearing about while he's in office, thanks to the media, which is mostly bullshit and doesn't rise to the real shit that his administration should be taken to task for.
Welcome to my very fucked up country.
President Obama will be considered one of the greatest ever. The conditions in which he had to govern are unlike anything any recent President has faced. And his impact on such issues as Obama-care, the housing/economy/banking crash, gay marriage..will cement his legacy as one of- if not- the greatest ever.
The scam of the century, obviously.
[quote]The liberal media which is smaller than the right and who only the liberals listen to, but ate more honest, will lament all the missed opportunities and his lack of backbone that ground legislation to a halt preventing him from formulating any goals other than those handed to him.
Fixed it for you.
Obama's going to leave hated by half the country. 25% will think he did a good job. The other 25% will say he was the greatest president of all-time. Obama's presidency really doesn't stand out beyond race, and it's been a transitional presidency. Even things like getting bin Laden haven't made an impact on Americans. Obama got hammered for taking credit, which he should get. It was pretty much a distant memory in about a month. Not much has sunk in with Americans besides it being popular to dismiss him. I don't see anything beyond what I opened with over time.
[quote]Doubtful on the health care front. It will have to be majorly overhauled yet again, and that person will be deemed the "savior."
Yep. They'll use that need for an overhaul being Obama's screwup of the system.
Billy Carter. The collapse of the middle class and the true old school Democratic Party on his watch.
His complete awfulness now has cemented Republicans and Rockefeller Democrats into power for years to come.
He could of been the person that changed everything. He had everyone in his corner when he was first elected.
Instead he first made sure Wall Street was safe, for Wall Street, and it was downhill from there.
History will not treat him kindly.
Unfortunately, his legacy will be that of a failure and someone who was not competent to be President. It's very sad, because we all had so much hope when he was elected.
The Republicans were never on Obama's side. That's an established fact. They have been very disciplined in being obstructionists.
The racists were never on his side. The "I want my country back" folks were never on his side. Fox News was running pieces on how Obama had destroyed (past tense) the country already by March on 2009, a couple months after taking office, which is ridiculous.
Well at least part of it will be having the ugliest and most useless First Lady to ever hit the White House.
All true r112, but O continued (and continues) to pander to them.
I recall in 1984 that it was notable that the scary futuristic things from the book titled "1984" by Geo. Orwell had not come true. Recently I realized that many of those things, such as "Big Brother" monitoring everyone and their communications; and endless wars; and the repetition of lies on Fox so regularly that people started believing what they were told, had actually come true by 2015.
That's not the Obama legacy, but R110 and R111's posts contain the kind of misinformation that will be repeated over-and-over again until some "low information" citizens come to think its true.
Besides the legacy that was already written the night he was elected, a celebrity president.
Not being able to keep the huge promises he made that captivated the nation when he campaigned.
Another in Wall Street's pocket.
Killed Osama Bin Laden.
[quote]Not being able to keep the huge promises he made that captivated the nation when he campaigned.
What promises haven't he kept R116?
1. Passed Health Care Reform: After five presidents over a century failed to create universal health insurance, signed the Affordable Care Act (2010). It will cover 32 million uninsured Americans beginning in 2014 and mandates a suite of experimental measures to cut health care cost growth, the number one cause of America’s long-term fiscal problems, as well as to improve healthcare for all Americans .
2. Passed the Stimulus: Signed $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act in 2009 to spur economic growth amid greatest recession since the Great Depression. Weeks after stimulus went into effect, unemployment claims began to subside. Twelve months later, the private sector began producing more jobs than it was losing, and it has continued to do so for twenty-three straight months, creating a total of nearly 3.7 million new private-sector jobs.
3. Passed Wall Street Reform: Signed the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act (2010) to re-regulate the financial sector after its practices caused the Great Recession. The new law tightens capital requirements on large banks and other financial institutions, requires derivatives to be sold on clearinghouses and exchanges, mandates that large banks provide “living wills” to avoid chaotic bankruptcies, limits their ability to trade with customers’ money for their own profit, and creates the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (now headed by Richard Cordray) to crack down on abusive lending products and companies.
4. Ended the War in Iraq: Ordered all U.S. military forces out of the country. Last troops left on December 18, 2011.
5. Began Drawdown of War in Afghanistan: From a peak of 101,000 troops in June 2011, U.S. forces were down to 91,000, with 23,000 slated to leave by the end of summer 2012. According to Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta, the combat mission ended in 2014.
6. Eliminated Osama bin laden: In 2011, ordered special forces raid of secret compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, in which the terrorist leader was killed and a trove of al-Qaeda documents was discovered. This was a politically courageous act, since a failure might have effectively ended his effectiveness as President.
7. Turned Around U.S. Auto Industry: In 2009, injected $62 billion in federal money (on top of $13.4 billion in loans from the Bush administration) into ailing GM and Chrysler in return for equity stakes and agreements for massive restructuring. Since bottoming out in 2009, the auto industry has added more than 100,000 jobs. In 2011, the Big Three automakers all gained market share for the first time in two decades. The government expects to lose $16 billion of its investment, less if the price of the GM stock it still owns increases.
8. Recapitalized Banks: In the midst of financial crisis, approved controversial Treasury Department plan to lure private capital into the country’s largest banks via “stress tests” of their balance sheets and a public-private fund to buy their “toxic” assets. Got banks back on their feet at essentially zero cost to the government.
9. Repealed “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”: Ended 1990s-era restriction and formalized new policy allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military for the first time.
10. Toppled Moammar Gaddafi: In March 2011, joined a coalition of European and Arab governments in military action, including air power and naval blockade, against Gaddafi regime to defend Libyan civilians and support rebel troops. Gaddafi’s forty-two-year rule ended when the dictator was overthrown and killed by rebels on October 20, 2011. No American lives were lost.
11. Told Mubarak to Go: On February 1, 2011, publicly called on Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak to accept reform or step down, thus weakening the dictator’s position and putting America on the right side of the Arab Spring. Mubarak ended thirty-year rule when overthrown on February 11.
12. Reversed Bush Torture Policies: Two days after taking office, nullified Bush-era rulings that had allowed detainees in U.S. custody to undergo certain “enhanced” interrogation techniques considered inhumane under the Geneva Conventions. Also released the secret Bush legal rulings supporting the use of these techniques.
13. Improved America’s Image Abroad: With new policies, diplomacy, and rhetoric, reversed a sharp decline in world opinion toward the U.S. (and the corresponding loss of “soft power”) during the Bush years. From 2008 to 2011, favorable opinion toward the United States rose in ten of fifteen countries surveyed by the Pew Global Attitudes Project, with an average increase of 26 percent.
14. Kicked Banks Out of Federal Student Loan Program, Expanded Pell Grant Spending: As part of the 2010 health care reform bill, signed measure ending the wasteful decades-old practice of subsidizing banks to provide college loans. Starting July 2010 all students began getting their federal student loans directly from the federal government. Treasury will save $67 billion over ten years, $36 billion of which will go to expanding Pell Grants to lower-income students.
15. Created Race to the Top: With funds from stimulus, started $4.35 billion program of competitive grants to encourage and reward states for education reform.
16. Boosted Fuel Efficiency Standards: Released new fuel efficiency standards in 2011 that will nearly double the fuel economy for cars and trucks by 2025.
17. Coordinated International Response to Financial Crisis: To keep world economy out of recession in 2009 and 2010, helped secure from G-20 nations more than $500 billion for the IMF to provide lines of credit and other support to emerging market countries, which kept them liquid and avoided crises with their currencies.
18. Passed Mini Stimuli: To help families hurt by the recession and spur the economy as stimulus spending declined, signed series of measures (July 22, 2010; December 17, 2010; December 23, 2011) to extend unemployment insurance and cut payroll taxes.
19. Began Asia “Pivot”: In 2011, reoriented American military and diplomatic priorities and focus from the Middle East and Europe to the Asian-Pacific region. Executed multipronged strategy of positively engaging China while reasserting U.S. leadership in the region by increasing American military presence and crafting new commercial, diplomatic, and military alliances with neighboring countries made uncomfortable by recent Chinese behavior.
20. Increased Support for Veterans: With so many soldiers coming home from Iraq and Iran with serious physical and mental health problems, yet facing long waits for services, increased 2010 Department of Veterans Affairs budget by 16 percent and 2011 budget by 10 percent. Also signed new GI bill offering $78 billion in tuition assistance over a decade, and provided multiple tax credits to encourage businesses to hire veterans.
21. Tightened Sanctions on Iran: In effort to deter Iran’s nuclear program, signed Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability, and Divestment Act (2010) to punish firms and individuals who aid Iran’s petroleum sector. In late 2011 and early 2012, coordinated with other major Western powers to impose sanctions aimed at Iran’s banks and with Japan, South Korea, and China to shift their oil purchases away from Iran.
22. Created Conditions to Begin Closing Dirtiest Power Plants: New EPA restrictions on mercury and toxic pollution, issued in December 2011, likely to lead to the closing of between sixty-eight and 231 of the nation’s oldest and dirtiest coal-fired power plants. Estimated cost to utilities: at least $11 billion by 2016. Estimated health benefits: $59 billion to $140 billion. Will also significantly reduce carbon emissions and, with other regulations, comprises what’s been called Obama’s “stealth climate policy.”
23. Passed Credit Card Reforms: Signed the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility, and Disclosure Act (2009), which prohibits credit card companies from raising rates without advance notification, mandates a grace period on interest rate increases, and strictly limits overdraft and other fees.
24. Eliminated Catch-22 in Pay Equality Laws: Signed Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act in 2009, giving women who are paid less than men for the same work the right to sue their employers after they find out about the discrimination, even if that discrimination happened years ago. Under previous law, as interpreted by the Supreme Court in Ledbetter v. Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co., the statute of limitations on such suits ran out 180 days after the alleged discrimination occurred, even if the victims never knew about it.
25. Protected Two Liberal Seats on the U.S. Supreme Court: Nominated and obtained confirmation for Sonia Sotomayor, the first Hispanic and third woman to serve, in 2009; and Elena Kagan, the fourth woman to serve, in 2010. They replaced David Souter and John Paul Stevens, respectively.
26. Improved Food Safety System: In 2011, signed FDA Food Safety Modernization Act, which boosts the Food and Drug Administration’s budget by $1.4 billion and expands its regulatory responsibilities to include increasing number of food inspections, issuing direct food recalls, and reviewing the current food safety practices of countries importing products into America.
27. Achieved New START Treaty: Signed with Russia (2010) and won ratification in Congress (2011) of treaty that limits each country to 1,550 strategic warheads (down from 2,200) and 700 launchers (down from more than 1,400), and reestablished and strengthened a monitoring and transparency program that had lapsed in 2009, through which each country can monitor the other.
28. Expanded National Service: Signed Serve America Act in 2009, which authorized a tripling of the size of AmeriCorps. Program grew 13 percent to 85,000 members across the country by 2012, when new House GOP majority refused to appropriate more funds for further expansion.
29. Expanded Wilderness and Watershed Protection: Signed Omnibus Public Lands Management Act (2009), which designated more than 2 million acres as wilderness, created thousands of miles of recreational and historic trails, and protected more than 1,000 miles of rivers.
30. Gave the FDA Power to Regulate Tobacco: Signed the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act (2009). Nine years in the making and long resisted by the tobacco industry, the law mandates that tobacco manufacturers disclose all ingredients, obtain FDA approval for new tobacco products, and expand the size and prominence of cigarette warning labels, and bans the sale of misleadingly labeled “light” cigarette brands and tobacco sponsorship of entertainment events.
31. Pushed Federal Agencies to Be Green Leaders: Issued executive order in 2009 requiring all federal agencies to make plans to soften their environmental impacts by 2020. Goals include 30 percent reduction in fleet gasoline use, 26 percent boost in water efficiency, and sustainability requirements for 95 percent of all federal contracts. Because federal government is the country’s single biggest purchaser of goods and services, likely to have ripple effects throughout the economy for years to come.
32. Passed Fair Sentencing Act: Signed 2010 legislation that reduces sentencing disparity between crack versus powder cocaine possessionfrom100 to1 to 18 to1.
33. Trimmed and Reoriented Missile Defense: Cut the Reagan-era “Star Wars” missile defense budget, saving $1.4 billion in 2010, and canceled plans to station antiballistic missile systems in Poland and the Czech Republic in favor of sea-based defense plan focused on Iran and North Korea.
34. Began Post-Post-9/11 Military Builddown: After winning agreement from congressional Republicans and Democrats in summer 2011 budget deal to reduce projected defense spending by $450 billion, proposed new DoD budget this year with cuts of that size and a new national defense strategy that would shrink ground forces from 570,000 to 490,000 over the next ten years while increasing programs in intelligence gathering and cyberwarfare.
35. Let Space Shuttle Die and Killed Planned Moon Mission: Allowed the expensive ($1 billion per launch), badly designed, dangerous shuttle program to make its final launch on July 8, 2011. Cut off funding for even more bloated and problem-plagued Bush-era Constellation program to build moon base in favor of support for private-sector low-earth orbit ventures, research on new rocket technologies for long-distance manned flight missions, and unmanned space exploration, including the largest interplanetary rover ever launched, which will investigate Mars’s potential to support life.
36. Invested Heavily in Renewable Technology: As part of the 2009 stimulus, invested $90 billion, more than any previous administration, in research on smart grids, energy efficiency, electric cars, renewable electricity generation, cleaner coal, and biofuels.
37. Crafting Next-Generation School Tests: Devoted $330 million in stimulus money to pay two consortia of states and universities to create competing versions of new K-12 student performance tests based on latest psychometric research. New tests could transform the learning environment in vast majority of public school classrooms beginning in 2014.
38. Cracked Down on Bad For-Profit Colleges: In effort to fight predatory practices of some for-profit colleges, Department of Education issued “gainful employment” regulations in 2011 cutting off commercially focused schools from federal student aid funding if more than 35 percent of former students aren’t paying off their loans and/or if the average former student spends more than 12 percent of his or her total earnings servicing student loans.
39. Improved School Nutrition: In coordination with Michelle Obama, signed Healthy Hunger-Free Kids Act in 2010 mandating $4.5 billion spending boost and higher nutritional and health standards for school lunches. New rules based on the law, released in January, double the amount of fruits and vegetables and require only whole grains in food served to students.
40. Expanded Hate Crimes Protections: Signed Hate Crimes Prevention Act (2009), which expands existing hate crime protections to include crimes based on a victim’s sexual orientation, gender, or disability, in addition to race, color, religion, or national origin.
41. Avoided Scandal: As of November 2011, served longer than any president in decades without a scandal, as measured by the appearance of the word “scandal” (or lack thereof) on the front page of the Washington Post.
42. Brokered Agreement for Speedy Compensation to Victims of Gulf Oil Spill: Though lacking statutory power to compel British Petroleum to act, used moral authority of his office to convince oil company to agree in 2010 to a $20 billion fund to compensate victims of the Deepwater Horizon oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico; $6.5 billion already paid out without lawsuits. By comparison, it took nearly two decades for plaintiffs in the Exxon Valdez Alaska oil spill case to receive $1.3 billion.
43. Created Recovery.gov: Web site run by independent board of inspectors general looking for fraud and abuse in stimulus spending, provides public with detailed information on every contract funded by $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. Thanks partly to this transparency, board has uncovered very little fraud, and Web site has become national model: “The stimulus has done more to promote transparency at almost all levels of government than any piece of legislation in recent memory,” reports Governing magazine.
44. Pushed Broadband Coverage: Proposed and obtained in 2011 Federal Communications Commission approval for a shift of $8 billion in subsidies away from landlines and toward broadband Internet for lower-income rural families.
45. Expanded Health Coverage for Children: Signed 2009 Children’s Health Insurance Authorization Act, which allows the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) to cover health care for 4 million more children, paid for by a tax increase on tobacco products.
46. Recognized the Dangers of Carbon Dioxide: In 2009, EPA declared carbon dioxide a pollutant, allowing the agency to regulate its production.
47. Expanded Stem Cell Research: In 2009, eliminated the Bush-era restrictions on embryonic stem cell research, which shows promise in treating spinal injuries, among many other areas.
48. Provided Payment to Wronged Minority Farmers: In 2009, signed Claims Resolution Act, which provided $4.6 billion in funding for a legal settlement with black and Native American farmers who the government cheated out of loans and natural resource royalties in years past.
49. Helped South Sudan Declare Independence: Helped South Sudan Declare Independence: Appointed two envoys to Sudan and personally attended a special UN meeting on the area. Through U.S. ambassador to the United Nations Ambassador Susan Rice, helped negotiate a peaceful split in 2011.
50. Killed the F-22: In 2009, ended further purchases of Lockheed Martin single-seat, twin-engine, fighter aircraft, which cost $358 million apiece. Though the military had 187 built, the plane has never flown a single combat mission. Eliminating it saved $4 billion.
51. Dropped the failed Cuban policies of the past 60 years.
52. Worked towards keeping his promise to close Guantanamo Prison by working to release previously cleared prisoners to countries that will take them. He's managed to do so despite the obstructionists in Congress who have denied any funds to facilitate the process.
"President Obama will be considered one of the greatest ever. The conditions in which he had to govern are unlike anything any recent President has faced"
See this is the problem right here. The poor Negro had it worse than any other President. That's bullshit. Obama had it a whole lot easier than Bush, who had to deal with 9/11. Creating some fantasy world so that Obama can be a hero is racism in its worst form.
No, Obama really did have it worse than most Presidents. He had to cleanup the mess that Bush left him: impending total economic collapse; two stalemated wars; Osama bin Laden plotting more attacks, and more. None of that is "normal". They aren't something that Presidents in the past routinely handled.
Part of his legacy will be that he endured the kind of race-based disrespect that no other President ever experienced. It may best be exemplified by Rep. Joe Wilson yelling "you lie" during the State of the Union address.
Sonewhere I heard that a black man in any job has to be twice as good, to be considered half-as good, and it's true.
1. Passed Health Care Reform: Took away health insurance from millions of people and destroyed our health care system as we know it.
2. Passed the Stimulus: Bailed out big corporations with working people's tax dollars.
3. Passed Wall Street Reform: See above.
4. Ended the War in Iraq: Ruined every military gain the U.S had achieved and let ISIS take over.
5. Began Drawdown of War in Afghanistan: Same result as above coming soon.
6. Eliminated Osama bin laden: Takes credit for act of his military (which he hates).
7. Turned Around U.S. Auto Industry: Another bailout of the big boys. Crony capitalism at its worse.
8. Recapitalized Banks: More bailouts.
9. Repealed “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”: One good thing he did, kicking and screaming when forced to.
10. Toppled Moammar Gaddafi: Left it a mess.
11. Told Mubarak to Go: Let Muslim terrorists take over instead of backing ally.
12. Reversed Bush Torture Policies: Let ISIS reign.
13. Improved America’s Image Abroad: More countries hate us than ever before, and NONE respect us now.
All his life he was surrounded by white people who talked him up and defended all his actions, no matter what he did.
This didn't change when he became president.
He's been a disaster.
R123, the Right-Less rhetoric is no longer playing. You make yourself look stupid. Educated and intelligent people know that had anything gone wrong with the Bin Laden mission who would you have blamed? You want the old health system back where hundreds of thousands of people were going bankrupt because of healthcare costs? People were not going to doctors because they couldn't afford coverage? That's what you want?
Most of the stimulus money has been repaid. Iraq? You must be kidding? Why were we there in the first place? How many American lives were lost because of it.
[quote] Improved America’s Image Abroad: More countries hate us than ever before, and NONE respect us now.
It's quite clear you haven't left your parents' basement for quite some time and traveled overseas. President and Mrs. Obama are QUITE popular internationally.
Turn off FOX, Hannity, or Levin! There's a wonderful life out here among us.
[quote]He's been a disaster.
In what way R125?
R127 There is too many to list. I'll just mention a few. Mishandling of Middle Eastern politics by letting all the RELATIVELY moderate governments fall. Disinterest in any issue except race. Lack of leadership instead rather give speeches. Opening up the immigration floodgates to hasten the demographic upheaval.
Right-Less bullshit R128. Your inability not to fully support your position only shows your lack of knowledge of the issues.
So many people thought it was 'a new morning' and all that. Everybody completely fell for the cult of personality. I was living in SF at the time and the fervor, and the attacks I faced when I questioned how elections are conducted following the Bush presidential debacle, left me uneasy. It was so unbalanced. Still, I hoped they would be right.
This many years later, let's face it: the banks call the shots, the military does what it wants, and he was just a puppet. The US economy is in ruins, no matter what they say. It's quite sad.
In summation, they're all 'elite' scum, shady, and we need to turn our backs on them. Just ignore it all. I do, now. It isn't what life's about.
[quote]The US economy is in ruins,
Are you nuts? How are you supporting such an assertion?
Because I can't find a job and if I can, people want to pay me what I made in 1999.
Ohhh... that's a BIG difference R132. We don't know your skill set, sector, etc. There might be a reason why you are unemployed and have been for so long. It may not be your doing either. But, to use your own personal situation to define the entire US economy is comparing apples to oranges. Maybe you need retraining. Maybe you need to relocate. There's a lot that can't be answered because we don't know (nor need to unless you choose to share) because this is your personal issue.
Please. The entire country's economy is on life support.
r129 and his previous "Right-less" posts started with calls for arguments on why Obama failed, and when these were given, r129 attacked them as "stupid" and attacked the poster's intelligence as well, but then gave no refuting arguments.
With Democrats such as these, who needs Republicans?
Remember history r129 -- remember what always happens to people like you.
and ya know R135, that's bullshit too. Up thread someone was kind of enough to list some of the Obama accomplishments and therefore there really is no need to itemize them again. It's simply reading through the posts. But, this information is out there and easily available. There's a plethora of it. But,it's not what the Right-Less wants to see or hear. So, what do you do? You simply ignore them and move on. You cannot educate the uneducable. You simply can't.
With the Right-Less, if I were to place two apples on the table and then another two, and say that it equals four, somehow they would see three and half because all of the apples were not of the same size.
You cannot even begin to hope to work with that.
...and by the way, those are not reasons why Obama failed given by R129. Nothing more than unsupported Right-Less sound bites.
Yes, R136, there is a need to itemize, and we love it.
I lost my job in Sept. 2013. I can't find a job with a comparable salary, and have been forced to work minimum wage jobs when I can manage to find them. I'm 62 years old, and have no health coverage because I can't afford any. I'm told that I don't qualify for federal assistance. The welfare department told me that I should apply for my social security retirement benefits early.
That is Obama's legacy to me.
If only I was an illegal alien, I'd be set for life.
[quote]President and Mrs. Obama are QUITE popular internationally.
Yes, R126, so popular. Keep repeating that in you mind and ignore all facts.
Well, why DON'T you apply for early retirement R137? Fact is, 62 year olds have mostly aged out of the job market due to massive exports of jobs. That's not exactly Obama's fault. The bi-partisan policies that created this mess have been in place for many years.
As a happily retired 62 year old, I wish you the best...
I sympathize with R137. I was in a similar position, and had to apply for benefits at age 63. If was able to wait until my full retirement age , 66, I'd be getting an additional $627 per month.
@ you R138, but I'm sure your guy is Putin, right?
I understand, R140. It's the money. However, R137 can continue to work too, and even suspend Social Security later if it's not needed.
I did the math and I can be comfortable on less. Freedom is priceless.
I appreciate that many parple are still having trouble finding work. The Great Recession was actually an economic collapse, and it takes quite a bit of time and money to get back to normal after one.
If George Bush hadn't squandered the budge surplus her inherited, and turned it into a huge deficit; and the U.S. hadn't spent a half-trillion dollars in Iraq, we might have spent all that money on stimulus spending, which would have taken the sting out of the recession.
Obama's legacy includes UN-doing all this, and reducing the deficit. There were so many problems caused by the Bush team, it is a miracle that Obama could correct so much of it as he has.
Since some people have posted about their personal struggles in this economy, it is worth pointing out that the stock market has doubled or more during Obama's terms. If you own stocks in a 401k, you should have more than recovered from the collapse that occurred under Bush. Likewise, if you have a pension that invests in stocks, it is more secure today than it was under Bush. It's not just the 1% that benefit from rising stocks, lots of people from all income levels benefit from the Obama recovery.
Once time passes and the media and FOX's talking points have faded, facts will become more prevalent. When that happens, Obama will certainly be considered a great president. History will also show his accomplishments in the wake of Bush's mess and the obstacles faced by the likes of the Tea Party.
[quote] it is worth pointing out that the stock market has doubled or more during Obama's terms. If you own stocks in a 401k, you should have more than recovered from the collapse that occurred under Bush.
It is also worth noting that even with the "recovery" returning 401Ks to their 2008 levels, since then, the cost of living has increased, and obliterated any "gains."
[quote] R146: It is also worth noting that even with the "recovery" returning 401Ks to their 2008 levels, since then, the cost of living has increased, and obliterated any "gains."
My 401k returned to its pre-crash high in 2012. Then in 2013, the S&P index was up by 30%, and in 2014, by another 8%. My 401k followed suit. The cost of living has in reased by about 1.6% per year since 2008, so my investments have recovered by much more than the cost of living. Everyone's returns will differ, but professionally managed investments should all be ahead by now.
My investments have been ahead since 2011.
When the market crashed, my stocks were worth $99.27. The highest they've gone up is $36.16, and are currently worth $16.13.
Wow , that some recovery.......
Statistic mean nothing, and are frequently less than truthful.
I was in the same position, R149. My stocks were worth a few cents short of $100 per share. Today they are worth. $6.38. I'm totally screwed by this fabulous recovery.
that has nothing to do with the recovery R149 & R151. It just shows how inept you are at picking stocks. Picking stocks is quite different than investing, along with an investing strategy.
He'll be known for making sure no one can sue Monsanto for any health issues resulting from GMOs. And for appointing a former Monsanto exec as head of the FDA.
You're a fucking idiot, R152. Many stocks that were great investments 15-20 years ago are crashing. These are long term investments, not something someone just picked blindly. There's no way of predicting what will happen.
Had Obama been more like Teddy Kennedy or Tip O'Neill, back-slapping glad-handers, he just might have accomplished more. But it simply is not in his DNA to be like that. He's a cerebral loner who never courted Congressmen on a personal level. And it showed in his few friendships with members of Congress. They are fragile flowers who have to be massaged and fussed over.
He just couldn't do it.
True but great stocks 15-20 years ago would not necessarily carry through the next two decades. Even the DOW changes it's list of companies over the years. Long term investments always need to be tweaked and adjusted throughout it's course.
Of course they are R154. If you're still holding Bethlehem Steel and RJR Reynolds...yup! You're most likely on the losing end. These are dead industries. However, if you are even simply invested in those things that you use such as utilities--your utility company; you watch movies--NetFlix; your cell phone--ATT or Verzion; you drink soda--Pespsi or Coke, you're more than likely seeing a significant return.
That I could finally marry my husband. I don't care who comes after him, that will be my memory.
I was a victim of the GM recall for a faulty ignition switch. It wasn't until the government stepped in and forced this recall, that I was aware. When I researched this online, the info originally stated that my car was not on the recall list.
A few months later, I got a letter stating that my car was now on the list. When I took it to the dealer, expecting the ignition switch to be replaced I got a big surprise. The only thing the dealerships were authorized to do was to plug the opening in the ignition key so that you could no longer attach the ignition key to your keyring, thus removing the weight of the extra keys and voila, problem solved!
A lot of good the federal government did to ensure my safety, aspeciall after the government bail out. Your tax dollars at work!
The overall big picture for me (obviously there are many other subtleties):
1. Presided over the end of DOMA and DADT. Despite his early stupidity on gay issues, he fairly quickly changed his tone (whether or not he cynically did that for votes is irrelevant) which helped create the tidal wave for gay marriage. I believe this will be a lasting change.
2. At least made an attempt at universal health care, resulting in the possibility for me to have consistent medical coverage in over a decade. As a working artist, this was important to me, and I'm grateful for it. However, I don't believe that this will be a lasting change. It will be remediated out of existence within two to four years.
3. Killed that motherfucker Osama bin Laden.
1. Did not close Guantanamo. No matter what his obsessed supporters say, this continues to be a major blight on our international relations, period.
2. Continued the destructive and deadly wars in the Middle East, even upping the destruction in certain areas with cowardly drone strikes. I believe this will contribute to a fury and hatred of us well past the end of my lifetime.
3. His decidedly bizarre weakness on race issues. Considering his heritage, his staunch refusal to become involved in what's going on racially in this country is truly appalling.
4. The continued pampering of the grossly overrated and extraordinarily destructive financial industry, which not six years ago almost brought the entire world to its knees.
5. The most repulsive aspect of his Presidency to me is the shocking revelation of the NSA and the agencies of this country spying on its own people. I will not go so far as to call Snowden a hero, but he did the right thing, and Obama's reaction to him (and as a result his DOJ's reaction) has been thoroughly disgusting and has set off a level of complete distrust in the government that has never been seen before. This damage I believe will be permanent.
He's obviously a much brighter President than any of the Bushes, but he came nowhere near his initial promise, and that's just a fact.
[quote]The most repulsive aspect of his Presidency to me is the shocking revelation of the NSA and the agencies of this country spying on its own people.
You did not know that this was happening under President Bush? The only thing President Obama pretty much did was extend that program.
[quote]Did not close Guantanamo.
Have you been reading about what is happening lately?
[quote]Continued the destructive and deadly wars in the Middle East, even upping the destruction in certain areas with cowardly drone strikes.
I rather deal with the drones than more loss of American life.
[quote]His decidedly bizarre weakness on race issues
What more do you want him to do?
R161, why would anyone have known about the widespread spying on our own people during Bush's presidency? It was only recently revealed. When it was revealed, Obama aggressively defended it as needed policy despite the fact that there is zero evidence supporting his assertion that it is protecting us in any way, shape, or form.
Guantanamo is still open, and will not be closed before he leaves office. The time to close that shithole was in the first weeks of his taking office. It should have been the very first thing on his agenda.
Americans shouldn't be killing anyone in the Middle East. At all. Imagine that Saudi Arabia had drones flying over North Dakota, dropping bombs on schools. Do you even begin to see how outrageous that is?
If you don't see that he should be doing more on race issues, there's no hope for you.
[quote]why would anyone have known about the widespread spying on our own people during Bush's presidency? It was only recently revealed. When it was revealed, Obama aggressively defended it as needed policy despite the fact that there is zero evidence supporting his assertion that it is protecting us in any way, shape, or form.
Oh no it wasn't. You mean to tell me that you had no clue of the Patriot Act and what was in it prior to Obama? If true, that's you and not him. What the NSA was doing is nothing new. There have been privacy groups fighting them for years prior to Obama.
[quote]Guantanamo is still open, and will not be closed before he leaves office. The time to close that shithole was in the first weeks of his taking office. It should have been the very first thing on his agenda.
Who says it should have been the first thing? He has two more years AND it appears as if it is in the process of closing.
[quote]Americans shouldn't be killing anyone in the Middle East.
While I agree with that we unfortunately have the terrorists that want to kill us. I say get them first in the most expedient and efficient way.
I do not see what more he and Holder can do re race relations without causing more problems.
No one knew what the NSA was doing concerning the widespread collection of information on its own people, and that includes you. It was never revealed in the Patriot Act which had nothing to do with this, and is a completely separate issue. Your continued obtuseness on this matter doesn't change that, and I'm not going to argue with someone who can't face facts.
I say it should have been the first thing. Happy? It won't be closed by the time he leaves office. You think the Republican ruled Congress will allow that to happen? Please. He blew his only opportunity, and it seems he never wanted it to happen in the first place.
Yes, continue to breed the anger and hatred that will fuel generations of murderers that want to destroy America. That's a brilliant policy.
Then I can't help you. Sorry.
[quote]No one knew what the NSA was doing concerning the widespread collection of information on its own people,
With all due respect, how stupid are you? You can simply go to Wikipedia and look up: NSA warrantless surveillance (2001–07). It's nothing new.
Re GitMo. 10/14/14 WSJ: "The White House is drafting options that would allow President Barack Obama to close the detention facility in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, by overriding a congressional ban on bringing detainees to the U.S., senior administration officials said. Such a move would be the latest and potentially most dramatic use of executive power by the president in his second term. It would likely provoke a sharp reaction from lawmakers, who have repeatedly barred the transfer of detainees to the U.S. The discussions underscore the president’s determination to follow through on an early campaign promise before he leaves the White House, officials said, despite the formidable domestic and international obstacles in the way.
[quote]Yes, continue to breed the anger and hatred that will fuel generations of murderers that want to destroy America. That's a brilliant policy.
I believe that was already happening from decades of bad foreign policy. However, as these terrorists attack other countries the world realizes them to be what they truly are will join us.
As far as race; I ask once again what more do you want him to do?
He got us out of a deep recession.
The economy is going gangbusters (6% expansion at last count; more than the GOPs predicted they would do if their policies were enacted!) while Europe, which chose austerity to deal with the recession, continues to stagnate. Unemployment is dropping fast.
Wall Street reform, Student loan reform, Consumer Financial Protections Bureau created.
This administration has had the strongest direct effect for gays gaining equal rights. It supports and promotes marriage and ended DADT, among so many other changes.
ACA is the largest improvement to healthcare system since Medicare in 1964.
Ended two wars.
His foreign policy focused on negotiations and sanctions over war (Iran and Syria working to give up weapons of mass destruction, Russia in shambles over sanctions and oil prices).
Opening links to Cuba
Guantanamo will be closed by the end of his administration.
America chose right TWICE.
As far as race, every time Obama even mildly references it, the right attacks Obama as a "divider."
(Funny how the right blames Obama for their racism)
Ironic that someone on the right would accuse him of being weak on race.
[quote]The cost of living has in reased by about 1.6% per year since 2008
Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!
R166 is such a stereotype.
If he hadn't been elected the Supreme Court would be 7-2 hard core right wing. Stem cell research still wouldn't be happening and gay marriage would have stalled. He's light years ahead of the Republicans on the environment.
[quote] No one knew what the NSA was doing concerning the widespread collection of information on its own people, and that includes you.
This isn't true, though this claim is repeated frequently. There was a "60 Minutes" segment on many up years ago, before Obama. It was probably during Bush's term, but might even have been earlier. They reported on, among other things, a Scotish radio telescope (or similar, I can't recall exactly because it has been so long) that is used to listen in simultaneously on a huge volume of calls.
[quote] R149: When the market crashed, my stocks were worth $99.27. The highest they've gone up is $36.16, and are currently worth $16.13.
Strictly speaking, the stock price alone may be meaningless, since it may have been paying dividends, or there was a stock split, and so forth.
In any event, you seem to be blaming Obama because you are bad at picking stocks. All you would have needed to do is invest in an index-tracking mutual fund, and you'd be far ahead, or invest in a diversified collection of investments. Incidentially, it is not too late to change your investments so that you are in a better position to get through the next bear market, whenever it comes, but get help with it.
[quote] R147: The cost of living has increased by ~1.6% per year since 2008. R168: Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!
R168, the stats are at the link.
Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.
I'm all for the drone program. Obama has proven to be a thoughtful and intelligent Commander in Chief, unlike W, and I trust him to carry out his duties, including the drone program.
His first interesting approval of military action was when he ordered the rescue team to shoot the Somali kidnappers and rescue Capt. Phillips. While Obama has always praised the Seals as being responsible for the rescue, Obama deserves credit for ordering it and risking his entire Presidency on the mission's succes or failure. Ditto for Osama bin Laden. And Quadaffi.
He negotiated with Russia to broker an agreement whereby Sryia accepted Putin's offer to facilitate destruction of its chemical weapons. Obama was smart enough to know Syria would not cooperate with the U.S., but saved fade by cooperating with the Russians. Syria no longer has such weapons, without a shot being fired.
Right now, Obama is using his diplomatic skills to work with Saudi Arabia to squeeze Iran and Russia on oil. I believe that he will have a nuclear agreement with Iran before his term ends. And maybe Putin will back out of East Ukraine, though the Crimea is Russia's for as long as there is a Russia.
Can you imagine what a cluster fuck we'd be in if Bush somehow had a third and forth term?
[quote] R174: The saddest Presidency in modern history.
R174, you're blaming the President again for a problem of your own making. If you are sad, take some initiative and make something of your sad little life! That isn't the job of the President!
[quote]I'm all for the drone program. Obama has proven to be a thoughtful and intelligent Commander in Chief, unlike W, and I trust him to carry out his duties, including the drone program.
You are a sick motherfucker. "All for the drone program"...unless it is Russians, or Iraqis flying drones over The Great US of A and murdering people indiscriminately. No, that's terrorist behavior.
Obama is a thoughtful and intelligent mass murdering sicko, just like Bush, Clinton, Reagan, etc.
I'll bet you think that the NYPD was justified in murdering Garner, and the Ferguson PD just had to murder Brown.
You will believe any bullshit, no matter how stupid, as long as it is a Democratic lying sack of shit that says it. Pathetic.
If Dubya had a (D) next to his name you would have supported all of his evil policies. You make me sick.
All I know is I'm going to be depressed for a week when he leaves office.
Do you notice how it is with these Obama cheerleaders littering this thread?
When Obama fucks up, we are told the president has no power over the matter. When he does something like order Osama killed, then he's in charge and all-powerful.
We won't forget these tribal tactics.
But, could you list his "fuck-ups", R180?
What gets me about you Right-Less...especially those who make yourselves known here on a traditionally gay website, is your unwillingness to give the President any credit, whether it be direct/indirect, about any type of accomplishments.
Do you honestly believe that gay civil rights would have moved as quickly as it has had under Republican leadership? More specifically under Romney? You are the people, (and you're included because you're rooting for the "others"), that are actively seeking to pass legislation which will discriminate against gays. Have you read what your kind in Michigan have passed recently? Ya know... if you're in some type of medical emergency situation, and you're suspected of being gay, that it is not required for you to be treated. That these medical emergency teams can just allow you to die. You applaud this and these people?
Two unfunded wars and where did it get us? How many more American lives did, or do you want to see lost? There are so many other things too...
If you're simply a troll, who gets his morning jollies trying to get under the skin of Obama supporters, let me be the first to tell you that it's a waste of keystrokes. The numbers and data simply do not support your scenario of doom and gloom. It's totally, (at this point anyway), unsupportable.
Might it be best that you head back to FOX, or some other Right-Less whatever, where you and your kind gather and can commiserate together in your bubble?
Everyone is getting accused about who Right-less is.
[quote]The Obama Legacy: What Shall It Be?
First mulatto President.
The last black president of the US.
For R168 and other reality deniers, from today's New York Times:
[/italic]By the Fed’s preferred measure, inflation was just 1.4 percent over the 12 months ending in November. Oil prices have put further downward pressure on inflation. And the meeting account said that “a number of participants” expressed concern that inflation would not rebound to the 2 percent annual pace the Fed has established as its target. [/italic]
The thing to worry about is deflation, the exact opposite of inflation.
Earrings & Caftans with African motifs
At least $10 TRILLION more in national debt
R186, you may choose not to remember, but the Democrats left the White House in 2000 running a surplus. Then the Republicans and President Bush lowered taxes and bungled two wars. Then in Bush's last year, the economy crashed. So, Bush left the country with a bigger debit and deficit than ever.
Obama began his term under these catastrophic conditions, which required expensive action to remedy. While Obama lowered taxes for those in middle class and below, he raised them on the rich, to better balance tax revenue. He acted to end the $1,000,000,000,000 wars. He saved the auto industry and the financial system. If he allowed either to fail, it would have been devastating to everybody. He implemented Obamacare, which has already started to bend the cost curve down for everybody, not just those who get insurance through Obamacare.
This all cost money, but today, the deficit is trending down, not up. It will probably take Obama a full 8 years to fix all the problems he inherited, but at the rate he's going, he just might do it.
I should have added that Bush's unprecedented spending on two wars coupled with his tax cuts for the rich all served to damage the ability of the US to respond to the economic collapse that followed in the last year of the Bush Presidency.
The trillions of dollars squandered by Bush made it much more difficult for
Obama to fund infrastructure projects that badly need it. That, plus the recalcitrant Republican's in the House, limited what Obama could do.
Okay, okay we did it. Can we get back to normal now? puleeeze? Only in safe situations, of course, if you know what I mean .... and have meant for 8 years.
Hmm, no, R189, I do not know what you mean,
Obama's legacy will be Michelle's biceps.
What r184 said.
And the golf clubs
Unless wages increase Obama's economic legacy will be about his failures not his successes.
It is the reason why his approval ratings are so low. Even with good economic news the majority of Americans are not taking home more money.
The middle class is becoming a group that rents rather than buys homes.
The drop in oil prices really is only a substantial benefit to the top 10 or 20 percent.
A funky smell in the White House. Hair in the shower drain. skid marks on the sheets in The Lincoln Bedroom where he spent most nights. Michelle will leave a powerful stink of her own, and probably wipes her stank-gina on the White House curtains when nobody is watching.
There are 52 items listed in R118/R119. The man is a superstar.
Unless the majority of the populace realizes it's time to grow up see that this government we have has been hi jacked by the corporations it is ridiculous to expect any administration to leave behind a legacy that the 99% would consider to be successful or positive.
Obama is not in control. Wall Street is in control. We were allowed to have some shallow victories that some have mentioned, gay rights, health care. That was to keep us from rioting in the streets and it was also to keep everyone under the illusion that the system is still functioning. It may have even helped lazy people from feeling they need to go to the poles during the mid term elections thus handing the Republicans control of Congress.
The only thing that matters now is everyone wake up and stop believing we still live in a democracy.
Wake up motherfuckers. And stop trying to have these stupid conversations as if nothing has changed since 1980.
And I voted for him twice.
Riots in Ferguson. Terrorists in Middle East. A weak U.S.