Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare his
morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some tree-hugging
liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards.
With his first
of coffee, he takes his daily medication. His medications are safe to
because some stupid commie liberal fought to insure their safety and
they work as advertised. All but $10 of his medications is paid for by
employer's medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their
employers for paid medical insurance - now Joe gets it too.
He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe's bacon is safe
eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat
In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo.
bottle is properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the
contents because some crybaby liberal fought for his right to know what
was putting on his body and how much it contained.
Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes
clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for laws to
industries from polluting our air.
He walks to the subway station for
government-subsidized ride to work. It saves him considerable money in
parking and transportation fees because some fancy-pants liberal fought
affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity
be a contributor.
Joe begins his work-day. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical
benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some lazy
union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe's
pays these standards because Joe's employer doesn't want his employees
call the union.
If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he'll get a worker
compensation or unemployment check because some stupid liberal didn't
he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.
Its noontime and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some
Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some godless
liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous bankers who
the banking system before the Great Depression.
Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his below-market
federal student loan because some elitist liberal decided that Joe and
government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money
over his lifetime.
Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at his
farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His car is
among the safest in the world because some America-hating liberal fought
for car safety standards.
He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live in
house financed by Farmers' Home Administration because bankers didn't
to make rural loans. The house didn't have electricity until some
government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded
He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives on
Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking,
liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to.
Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk
The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He doesn't mention that the beloved Republicans have fought
every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day.
Joe agrees: "We don't need those big-government liberals running our
After all, I'm a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of
themselves, just like I have."
Oldie but goodie
You're showing your ignorance, OP.
Now, he's showing the ignorance and hypocrisy of conservative republicans.
Die in a fucking fire, R1.
What a silly, shallow post. OP is a fool.
Yeah, in what way, r4?
Every word OP wrote is true. I will instead call names. That always works.
Exactly, r6, truth hurts, even Neanderthals!.
I have read a lot of dumb shit on the internet, this takes the fucking cake.
Could at least ONE of the people accusing the OP's post of being invalid explain exactly WHY this is so?
Not bad, but that was a looooooong way to go for a joke.
Because every thing you mentioned would have happened thanks to the free market. A company that sells spoiled meat will not stay in business, so neither Joe nor anyone else would buy E Coli Brand Bacon. If water were not regulated by the municipality, Joe could easily use his own well water. Why should he when his money is being confiscated to pay for a city water system he never asked for?
Same with the shampoo company. Free market wins. Whoever makes the best cheapest shampoo stays in business. If consumers know that what's in the bottle doesn't match what the label says, they don't buy it. Shampoo company goes out of business. Shampoo company that makes good shampoo wins the market share. No government needed, except to prop up underperforming shampoo companies by taking money out of Joe's pocket.
If Joe is truly deserving of his salary and benefits, he will earn them. If he isn't, he shouldn't. All unions do is protect the lazy and incompetent. If Joe's employer didn't have a union to answer to, he could hire whoever was qualified at whatever the fair market value is. Why should Joe care whether some lazy ignoramus gets weekends off? If ignoramus doesn't like it, he can get a better job. If he can't get a better job, then he should be grateful for what he has.
The US banking system is one of the most corrupt in the world, FSLIC or not. All that does is give cushy salaries and pensions to government paper pushers. Again, a bank that you can't withdraw from is never going to keep its customers. Again, all regulation does is prop up the unsuccessful by stealing from those who are.
Joe seems to be paying off his mortgage and his student loans in your example, unlike so many of his fellow citizens who took those below-market mortgages and used them to buy houses they knew they couldn't pay for, and for their kids to get bullshit liberal arts degrees that qualify them to do nothing. If both of those programs went away, Joe and everyone else would be better off. Can't afford college or a house without the government's help? Get a job.
Joe's car is very likely an import. Again, free market. People won't buy cars that kill them. We don't need government incentive to build safer cars - people not wanting to die takes care of that naturally. But of course, where are the government pensions in that plan?
Joe's father lives on Social Security because his money was confiscated in order to pay for it. He's only getting back what he put in, and frankly he should have had the choice to invest it how he wanted. He probably could have gotten a much better return than his SS pays him.
Rural electrification? Would have happened with or without governemnt intervention, numnuts. Thank God the government has learned its lesson and has said no to wiring rural areas for high speed internet. Again, if that hicks want it, they can pay for it. Kindly keep your hand out of my pocket, thanks.
Sounds like the Radio Show Host is the only person in your story who really knows what's going on. The rest is all hippy-dippy feel-good liberal bullcrap that the majority of Americans are well and truly sick of.
The Joe in your story is absolutely a self-made man and should be proud of what he's accomplished. It's liberal whiners like you who post this bullcrap that really need to be taught a lesson about how the world works.
By the way, I'm a die-hard Democrat and I believe absolutely none of what I just wrote, but I thought I'd do our conservative wank-jobs a favor since all they can manage are one-sentence ad hominem attacks.
If you agree with what I wrote? Then you're a fucking, fucking idiot.
[quote]The water is clean and good because some tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards.
Liberals don't drink tap water.
FSLIC? This is old.
Thanks for posting this OP. Haven't seen it before, will send it around. It's great!
>>Joe could easily use his own well water.
Oh, my sides...!
You're right, r16. what a silly concept.
Damn those Liberals!
If it weren't for them, we could buy the cheap polluted water that we really desire.
What about when my well is polluted by the frack mining business? Or just by my terrible neighbor?
Be nicer to your neighbors. Don't live where fracking happens.
O'Bummer's a Nazi socialist! Hillary's a lezzie! Clinton's penis! Clinton's penis!! CLINTON'S PENIS!!!!!
Being nice to your neighbors doesn't mean they care about dumping chemicals. If a frack mine opens, everyone should just move?
[quote]Because every thing you mentioned would have happened thanks to the free market.
R12 is the most delusional moron I've ever seen.
Your claim that a company that sells tainted meat wouldn't remain in business was proven wrong over a hundred hears ago. Read "The Jungle" for starters.
Corporations have nearly ZERO motivation to do the right thing, and in the absence of regulation, will go to any lengths to cut costs and increase profits for CEOs, executives, and shareholders, at the expense of everyone else. And with massive amounts of money, they can write their own laws, buy off judges, and basically lie their asses off without any negative consequences (i.e. it costs a lot less to pay off one lawsuit than to do things right from the beginning).
Time and time again, history disproves everything that idiot spouted.
And try to imagine a "private" version of our highway system... a patchwork quilt of toll roads, some redundant, which would snarl up shipping and travel for everyone and dramatically increase costs for everyone. UGH!
He is a complete sucker, that believes this amazingly bizarre thing:
[quote]Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone.
Which just proves what a deluded fool he is.
R13, no dearheart, we buy water filters and eschew plastic bottles.
[quote]What about when my well is polluted by the frack mining business? Or just by my terrible neighbor?
Your water well will be 200ft deep at most.
Fracking: Thousands of feet below the surface. Often below sea level.
Evidently some people arent reading to the end of r12:
"By the way, I'm a die-hard Democrat and I believe absolutely none of what I just wrote, but I thought I'd do our conservative wank-jobs a favor since all they can manage are one-sentence ad hominem attacks.
If you agree with what I wrote? Then you're a fucking, fucking idiot."
Building houses in fracking areas makes as much sense as building them on the Louisiana coastline.
You build a house on the ocean and it gets washed away in a flood, your fault. You build a house near a mountain that can provide oil and your well gets polluted once the fracking starts? Your fault. It's not the mining company's responsibility to give you clean drinking water.
R25 = more proof that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Moron.
Everyone not in a union and working ABOVE the minimum wage is subject to the free marketplace for their salary.
This is most of the labor force.
[quote]Because every thing you mentioned would have happened thanks to the free market.
If the free market did those things alone, then we wouldnt need regulators. But the free market doesnt. Given the chance, Tyson will sell you contaminated food or GM will sell you an unsafe car. How do we know this? Because they have done this in the past and will keep trying to do it.
[quote]Your fault. It's not the mining company's responsibility to give you clean drinking water.
R27, it IS the mining company's obligation (let alone responsibility) to not trash the environment in the process of conducting their business.
The simple reason is a very conservative one: Because the taxpayer's should be left holding the bag, paying for the cost of the eventual clean-up of the irresponsible company.
When conservatives abandoned "conservation" is beyond me, but it proves that Republicans aren't conservative at all... they're radical regressives and anarchists and corporatists.
"Everyone not in a union and working ABOVE the minimum wage is subject to the free marketplace for their salary.
This is most of the labor force."
No, because those union-free businesses are competing for the same workers as unionized shops and therefore have to compete with them.
A high tide rises all boats.
Actually, it's the mining company's responsibility to return a profit to its shareholders. If environmental responsibility negatively impacts that, then they have should be under no obligation to do so.
R30, IF Tyson was going to sell shittier food and IF GM was going to sell shittier cars, consumers would know and go to other vendors. There are things like review forums, consumer reports, etc do far more than our ineffective government could dream of doing. The worst enemy of an shit product is an educated consumer. Believe it or not, people can make their own decisions!
[quote]Tyson will sell you contaminated food or GM will sell you an unsafe car.
There were zero government regulations on cars before the 1960s.
Seat belts and air bags were all invented by the private sector. They were "options" you could buy.
Now they are mandatory. You have no choice in the matter. And don't even think you're not paying for them. And guess what? Government mandated airbags started KILLING CHILDREN. Solution? MORE GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS. Car seats, kids in back, reverse facing, all backed up with LAWS, and FINES, and EXPENSE and intrusion into your life.
Remember riding in the back seat without seat belts? FORBIDDEN!!! by the Nanny State!
A different example: Cup Holders. (not a government requirement)
Just try to find a car without them. Why? People DEMAND them.
R12, the easiest thing in the world to do is play the "it would have happened anyway" game because there is no burden of proof and no way for us to argue against it. I could argue that if Nixon had beaten Kennedy in 1960 we'd be colonizing Mars right now. Prove that we wouldn't!
The fact is what OP describes is largely how it did play out - IN THE REAL WORLD. Those things had to happen, again, in the real world, because at the time there wasn't a sense that the market was going to take care of it.
Whatever, R26, we're using it as a jumping off point for discussion and Libertarians do believe those arguments.
R38, as shitty as it is (mostly due to conservative pushback on common sense regulations), it's still way WAY better than it was before TDR pushed the "Square Deal" regulations over a hundred years ago.
You don't have to know very much about economics to realize that, if companies can get away with imposing externalities on third parties (e.g., by emitting lethal smoke from their furnaces), they will do so.
[quote]You don't have to know very much about economics to realize that, if companies can get away with imposing externalities on third parties (e.g., by emitting lethal smoke from their furnaces), they will do so.
The most polluted places on earth are "government/public" land.
Nobody owns it, so nobody cares.
Air and Oceans = The tragedy of the commons.
And economics teaches you all about it.
r42/r35 is the Republican shill from the global warming threads. Trolldar.
It's a damn shame R35 wasn't tossed out of a crashing car as a child.
Most of the Republicans I know shop at Whole Foods, eat whole food, cook at home, eat locally. Way to stereotype OP.
[quote]If consumers know that what's in the bottle doesn't match what the label says, they don't buy it.
This is complete and utter bullshit. I MAKE this shit and I can tell you that 98% of ALL shampoos are EXACTLY the same. So why do some dumb asses pay $15 for a bottle when they can get the EXACT same thing for $4? Because they're fucking stupid and DO NOT read labels.
Yes, R47, because you know MOST Republicans, and a REPRESENTATIVE SAMPLE of Republicans (rolling eyes).
Seriously, did you even think before posting that?
Your first post has about 14 or 15 paragraphs too many.
R29, the labor laws governing those nonunion companies wouldn't exist except for unions anyway.
R49, I am glad you posted that response, I was momentarily too speechless to type after reading it.
Hey, great post, R12. Welcome R1,R4,R9,&R11, and the rest of the Neanderthal deniers, to the world of Conservatism of Cantor and Cruz. Here's some great advice: All you Neanderthal deniers have to do is go South or West.
Go ahead. Take your sorry, free market, conservative asses down to Mississippi, Louisiana, Georgia, Alabama, Florida, or any one of the other anti-federal government, gay hating, Obama hating states out there.
Get a fucking preview of the crumbling infrastructure, the rotten schools, the toothless 40 yr. olds, and the malnourished, kids who can't read and write.
Look at the "volunteer " fire departments, and EMS, the inferior hospitals, the polluted drinking water. Yes, it is. The inferior water and sewage systems see to it. Or, if you don't like the South, Maybe North or South Dakota or some parts of the Western US? it doesn't matter.
Unsafe at Any Speed: The Designed-In Dangers of the American Automobile by Ralph Nader, published in 1965, is a book detailing resistance by car manufacturers to the introduction of safety features, like seat belts, and their general reluctance to spend money on improving safety.
It was a pioneering work, openly polemical but containing substantial references and material from industry insiders. It made Nader a household name.
R54, not to dwell on the obvious, but that was 1965. Consumers are far more educated and and consumer demand drives changes much quicker than government. Think backup cameras, backup sensors, lane departure systems. You really need to work on more modern sources.
R55, not to dwell on the obvious, but it was the push for safety regulations that enabled consumers to educate themselves, and which pushed safety as a 'desirable feature' (i.e. people want cars that EXCEED the base limits set by regulations), which motivated auto manufacturers to really concentrate on safety as a selling point.
So what we have today that you describe is all thanks to initial regulations, which corporations never would have gotten on board with unless forced to.
r49 you realize that having a fit is unbecoming? I never said I knew "most Republicans", I said the ones I knew shopped at WF, eat well, forgot to add that they also exercise, and that the OP was stereotyping.
R59, you know Whole Foods is run by a republican who hates ObamaCare and is trying to screw his employees out of benefits, right? What does shopping at Whole Foods have to do with political party?
OP was stereotyping only in that he was describing probably 80% of self-described Republicans. That you know a few exceptions to the rule doesn't prove anything.
(never mind you stereotyping people who shop at Whole Foods...)
r60 I thought WF has amazing health care benefits with partner benefits?
The national parks belong to the federal government. Are they the most polluted lands in the world?
Pass it on.
Republicans really do get butt-hurt when their hypocrisy is pointed out to them, don't they?
[quote]The national parks belong to the federal government. Are they the most polluted lands in the world?
No, but military bases are.
All are exempt from environmental regulations too.
Picture of our beautiful Angeles National Forest for r63.
These stunted tea party retards are endangering the livelihood of families across the country. It's past time to take them out of the equation.
Holy shit, there are actually Republicans on the gay site. Fucking walk into fire and die, you worthless pieces of ignorant, bias, uneducated shit. And don't trip on your pumps walking into the flames of hell.
Don't forget when Joe retires, he will happily cash his Social Security checks that are the result of some Commie liberal President.
30% of Gays and Lesbians vote republican, r69.
Choke on it.
We're all choking because of your stupidity and the stupidity of those like you, R71. You're destroying the whole country unless you get your way. Fuck you. I'd rather see it all burn then let you use economic terrorism to try to shove your social agenda down our throats.
r71 I don't care if 99.9% of gays and lesbians vote Repug. They are absolute imbeciles who are voting against their own self interests. Do these jackasses really think the Repug party embraces them?!
What stupid fucking assholes. A fiery death is too good for them. Choke to death on Gingrich cock.
You Tea Party nuts want to be crazy in your own homes, I don't give a shit. When it starts hurting me and my family, you'd better watch out.