The return of strident political correctness on campuses
I'm a college English professor at a liberal arts college, and lately on our campus (and on others across the nation) it's as if there's this echo effect from the culture wars of the early 1990s. Almost out of the blue our students are objecting to representations "triggering" sexual trauma--any depiction of rape or forceful sex, whether it be in Ovid or Thomas Hardy, is objected to by our students, and they demand we tell them ahead of time and not discuss it in class (or that they be allowed to be excused from class when we discuss it).
Even more sudden has been the obsession with transsexuals and how to treat them properly. They're constantly accusing one another of being transphobic or asserting "cis privilege" at what seems like the drop of a hat. It's not that I don't believe that transsexuals are badly treated, but the accusation of "cis privilege" is ridiculous.
Ohnotheydidnt is a hotbed for these types. It makes me feel old.
Tumblr = gifs, porn, and cats. WTF are you talking about?
How have you not noticed the super charged social justice league, R3? It's one of Tumblr's most noted features.
The "Tumblrification" of discourse and the compulsion people in that mindset have to absolutely strafe every discussion with fraudulent critical theory bullshit will haunt society for a generation.
Everyday I thank God for many things--chief among them is that I graduated from college before the invention of social media.
But I can't imagine the episodes you describe as happening any place other than a women's college.
The spiritual descendants of the Michfest crowd.
You guys obviously have no clue as to what Tumblr is. You are so off the mark, it's not even funny.
My cynical theory is thus: postmodernism died in the 90s. It killed itself, really, by making itself into such a vaunted institution with its own inscrutable idiolects and rituals that from the outside, it looked totally ludicrous. You need formal training to be able to read and understand a piece like "Can the Subaltern Speak?" Scandals like the Sokal affair exposed this for what it was, and the practiced passed away quietly for a time.
Unfortunately, the professors of these theories are largely still tenured with the universities where they first ginned them up, and have found themselves with a) an impressionable batch of disillusioned young people and b) a vast and exploitable field of social media that these young people are intractably involved and influential in, so we're seeing a bastard vision of late postmodern social studies return, but filtered through these young people and applied in vicious broad strokes over every sphere of society (or at least an attempt at the same. Hopefully rationality will prevail.)
I use Tumblr every single day, R8. This is absolutely accurate. The absurd "social justice" crowd is very real. It's totally possible for your Tumblr experience to involve nothing but cats and porn, but it's a big world out there, believe it or not.
It shouldn't surprise anyone here at all. Datalounge is brimming with people who are equally as strident about their own views (and there is NO other valid viewpoint) on politics, religion, and other social issues. The only difference is most of them were sucked up in the first wave of PC (don't forget, the gays did everything first!).
I suspect a great deal of it boils down to peer pressure. Even in the first wave of PC, if you did not absolutely follow the PC brigade's ideology, those in it had a penchant to attack you as uneducated, accuse you of oppression (usually of themselves), and any other character assassination that could generally be thrown at you. This was often purposely done loudly and in public situations
Basically, it was bully pulpit shaming of those being accused of being bullies. Now I know there are many on here who advocate public shaming of those who purposely hurt their cause. The difference here was that this was being done (as the OP is saying) over perceived opposition to a cause, which very often was not the case.
It's a tactic to attack and embarrass anyone not 100% on your page. It's a quick way to shut down any valid discourse. It is a total pack mentality. I think what the OP is seeing is tied to social media. Social media by the very nature of its participatory content can lean very one-sided on an issue. Social media also leads to adoption of a lot of positions ( and not just by the young) because they think either it makes them unique to "like" it or that they have to "like" something because the people they like or want to be around "like" it.
So, what happens now is that instead of kids showing up on campus fairly naive and (usually within their first year) finding their organizations and causes that they align with, they've already done this before even the first day of class, along with their own personal agendas, due to social media.
Sure, in a lot of cases little can be argued with about kids being socially aware at younger ages. But I do wonder when it comes before college how much of it is actually their parents beliefs or just to shock & piss off their parents. The other downside is that pre-social media, you had an opportunity to size up organizations in person and see if they were heavy on the looney or had "a greater goal", before you jumped on that bandwagon.
This rambled a lot, but I think I made my point.
I've heard them refer to themselves as sjw , or social justice warriors, and it is sort of like the old liberal-left identity politics of the 70's/80's/90's, that peaked in the late 80's to mid 90's, only possibly even more strident, and neurotic, and with a later evolution into somewhat new forms, and new concerns.
This has occasionally brought them into conflict with the old-guard of pc/identity politics, who still linger somewhere, but aren't up-to-date with the concurrent evolution of this type of politics, which is amusing to me.
They have a certain groupspeaky lingo. Other phrases you'll probably hear sooner or later include 'rape culture', 'transfolks', 'slutshaming', 'oppressions', 'white privilege', and 'intersectionality'. The last one referring to when different oppresssions and/or privileges overlap producing complications.
Any attempt to say 'but I'm not bigoted against(______)' fill-in-the-blank with whoever...will be UNACCPETABLE...becasue personal choices don't matter. These are structural systems of oppression, and we're all hopelessly bound up into the system, and tainted with original sins.(All the poststructuralsim, and Foucault crap that informed alot of previous pc-ness, continues to linger here) The only way out is to flog yourself of your sins of privilege, and join their little political cult, neurotically going over everything with a fine tooth comb, rooting out privilege, and having a self-righteous freakout tantrum anytime someone says something the slightest bit not in line with your politics.
Here's the thing...at their best they are sometimes partly correct about some things, or raise semi-legitimate issues. While I happen to think that various -isms aren't 100% structurally bound into society, I would actually agree that those issues aren't always as simple as personal choices, either.
But even when they're partly insightful about something, it's usually ruined by their tone, and the context they place everything into. Their politics consist of just oversimplistically dividing people into opressor/privileged and opressed groups, and clinging to that in an absolutist way.
Perhaps we all need to take a leaf out of Lady Diana Cooper's book. Her opening conversational gambit to the earnestly strident was "I think all the poor should be killed, don't you? After all, we ARE the best people."
Stop lying, OP. Every word of your post is a lie.
You must have missed the 1990s, oh True And Honest English Professor. Every TV show and movie with a rape depicted came with a warning in the descriptions.
The bitching about "social justice" is just the 2013 version of bitching about "political correctness." The base, foundational thought of what has been dismissed as "PC" is the inclusion of usually ignored and marginalized groups into regular social discourse. For example, that means if someone writes an article which says there are only gay or straight people, they've screwed up, because they forgot about bi, trans, etc. Those "social justice warriors" bring it up.
In response, the person hearing this gets upset and defensive, and starts lashing out: "Why should I have to know about every sexuality? Trans people are only a tiny fraction of the populace so why even mention them? Why should we care about strident PC types who are being ridiculous?"
And it always boggles my mind that no one can ever just say: "You're right, I shouldn't have said there were only two types of human sexual behavior, sorry 'bout that." Why is that so hard?
Most Tumblr users are very young, and if we're going to sit around complaining about the disrespectful tone of young people, then I demand DL provide some Matlock DVDs and a few cribbage sets.
PC will be the death of us all
If you please? What is 'cis' privilege? Seriously.
The trigger warning types are out to ban nudity at Reed. I don't remember nudity at this particular ritual when I was at Reed in the early 90s but we were tolerant of a little casual (and non sexual) nudity here and there as personal expression, freedom. And we were PC as all get out. Between trigger warnings and trans/cis discussions kids today have upped the ante.
[quote]I use Tumblr every single day, [R8]. This is absolutely accurate. The absurd "social justice" crowd is very real. It's totally possible for your Tumblr experience to involve nothing but cats and porn, but it's a big world out there, believe it or not.
You choose who you follow. The majority don't follow people like that. Perhaps you may want to find new Tumblrs to follow.
R17, you are wrong. Generally what the strident are saying is "You didn't include me." Not every discussion needs to include every possible example. Indeed, for clarity it is often preferable keep focus. This is one of the things I hate about internet groups. Invariably, there is some idiot that feels that he/she is not included in the subject at hand and insists on redefining the subject so that he/she is included. If there is any sort of push back, he/she will act out in order to destroy the conversation for everyone else.
I work in higher ec - not faculty.
The climate around so-called unwanted sexual behavior if fucking odd.
On my campus several departments (counseling services, rape victim advocacy, student health etc...) put together a PR campaign about sexual assault. What it is and how to prevent it.
The definition of sexual assault was so broad I realized not only was I perpetrator but also a victim.
"Political correctness"= freeper cunt
R13, those types are all over Twitter, they enjoy attacking those on the left more than those on the right. It's like their main thrill in life is to gum up the works. Psychos.
But yet, OP and the rest of those agreeing with him in the thread would recognize homophobia at the drop of a hat, right?
You realize that straight people could say the same things about us.
You all do sound privileged. And old.
[quote]You all do sound privileged. And old.
So ageism is OK?
[quote]For example, that means if someone writes an article which says there are only gay or straight people, they've screwed up, because they forgot about bi, trans, etc. Those "social justice warriors" bring it up.
At which point I slap them, slap them VICIOUSLY.
What r27 said.
[quote]Here's the thing...at their best they are sometimes partly correct about some things, or raise semi-legitimate issues.
This could be said of all of us.
They remind me of Abbie Hoffman and Jerry Rubin, whose main aims were to showcase the contradictions of liberalism. Similarly, these tumblr warriors do not offer much other than criticism. "You need to check your privelege," or variations of that, often fail to present an alternative, or even a path. How do we arrive at a society without privilege based on race, gender, etc.? Just asking that question leads to them having a fit. Between that, and the jargon they throw around, they risk taking very valid points and confining themselves to their small circles. A shame, really. They offer good critiques but little else.
R25, why would someone who is sick to fucking death of this PC bullshit be a freeper cunt?
BTW - nice way to express yourself if you are so concerned with being PC.
This makes sense, now.
A kneejerk response lately in forums on my internets has been "That's racist".
The bizarre thing is that I stick to shelter porn sites.
One commenter made a "The Ring" reference to the anonymous models used in a photo shoot.
An idiot immediately assumed it was racist.
[quote]But yet, OP and the rest of those agreeing with him in the thread would recognize homophobia at the drop of a hat, right?
No. A lot of what some people consider homophobia, I think is just absurd hypersensitivity.
I'm surprised that no one here has mentioned the generational "it's all about me" thing - so many of today's college students had parents who toadied to their every whim and made them the center of attention (so as to boost their "self-esteem"). That wasn't true of previous generations.
R34 I didn't make it to "The Ring" you're talking about, but I LOVE this kind of kitchen:
In general, the generation behind this is very, very vocal and "empowered", but utterly bereft of critical thinking. The earlier version at least were in a process of reevaluation against some obvious hegemony. That opposition really doesn't exist anymore, certainly not on campuses. These precious pinheads have no business policing anybody. They are demonstrating the blind spots and undeveloped areas of their consciousness, as well as their parents' obscene egomania, as manifested via their children.
[quote]I'm surprised that no one here has mentioned the generational "it's all about me" thing
Actually, I did hit on that at R23. However, I don't think it is generational. There are a lot of people in their 30s and 40s that indulge in this behavior. It is basically identity politic power plays. Their rules are that what you meant has no value. The only thing that matters is what they think you meant, which is an argument that one simply cannot win.
r25 nailed it. Thread closed.
R40 doesn't realise it but only proves how fascistic these types are.
Antisex hysteria does not come from "political correctness." It comes from the right. Catherine MacKinnon's daddy was a right-wing judge and it was due to him that this bogus association of feminism and antisex hysteria were started.
As a gay male college professor in my mid-50s, with about thirty-five years of teaching experience (starting in grad school at 20), who also plans to retire in about five years or so, I, like OP, am increasingly fatigued by the amount of qualifying I feel I have to do with every statement. I teach in Ithaca, NY, so neither of the two example s/he gives is unfamiliar to me, though I have different reactions to each.
In the case of the "trigger warnings" epidemic, I am impatient as well--life itself is a "trigger warning." I teach literature and performance, and specialize in texts dealing with disability, gender, and sexuality--if I had to provide a warning sticker or excuse students who felt threatened by ever instance of violence, hate, or trauma, there might be only a handful of students left. I also think studying such things is a valid and intellectually appropriate way for us to address these issues individually and collectively. I will sometimes warn students in advance that a particular text may turn their stomach (for various reasons). I am teaching two books involving dystopias where people are either bred for or sentenced to organ donations, in one case as clones bred for it, in another as a way for parents to dispose of unwanted unruly adolescents. I am also teaching "Lord of the Flies," "A Clockwork Orange," and "Lost Memory of Skin" to honors freshmen (sorry, first year students). They are mature enough to handle such topics--and they also feel free to voice whatever gives them pause in these books. I am teaching books about the history of what were called mental asylums or "homes for the feebleminded," and I know, in that class, at least two of the students (as well as their teacher, moi) have had struggles with mental health. I hardly call on them to share their feelings, but I am aware that their experience reading these books may be different.
My college, for reasons of which I am very proud, comes up high on the lists of LGBT-comfortable schools, and increasingly, is a safe and nurturing school for trans-students (as opposed to transfer students) at various stages of their transitions or journeys. Sometimes they will talk to me about it before the course begins, sometimes they will announce it as part of class discussion (when appropriate--say, when we are discussing what gender is, etc.), sometimes they will not announce it at all and I can only infer it (as in the case of one first semester student who is registered under a traditionally male name, but the first day said s/he preferred to go by a traditionally female name). I always ask students to tell me how they wish to be addressed (with all the nicknames and variations out there, it just helps them be more comfortable). This student has not said anything to confirm my sense that s/he might be trans (other than the name), and, if there's an appropriate time and way to do it (say, in a private conference, I may think of a way to broach the question that is not invasive, but simply clarifying and supportive). The student has not adopted femenine dress (which is more often than not, these days, indistinguishable from masculine, unless we are talking about dresses, skirts, and certain items of undergarments, which might suggest how the student wishes to present his or her gender)--and it doesn't seem to me germane, at this point, to class discussion or how the student writes a college level paper. It is only in the last few years that I have heard the term "cis," and, while being the old fogey that I am rapidly becoming, at first I resisted, but then decided that, as in all things, as long as people could explain why they wanted to use that term and how it helped clarify our intellectual work and social interactions, I was fine.. I tend to be crankier with very anachronistic uses of contemporary buzzwords--so describing the character from Faulkner as "cis-gendered" (Jason in "The Sound and the Fury," for example) doesn't seem to me to advance the work very much.
(Continued). On the other hand, maybe using such a distinction (cis/trans) does help--as Freud reminded us, heterosexual requires an explanation as much as homosexuality does. In a novel like Faulkner's, ways of being a man are so fraught, that seeing what happens to men who are too cis-gendered, in contrast with those who are very non-normative (brothers Quentin and Benjy in the same novel) may be helpful.
I also find the back-diagnosing of illnesses (particularly psychiatric conditions) problematic intellectually--declaring that any rude or abrupt male figure from history was "autistic" or had "Tourette's Syndrome" is so far from being provable, and misses the ways in which many of these conditions are historically named and defined. To ask whether we today might say Samuel Johnson would be viewed as having Tourette's is valuable in some contexts; to assert that he did have that Syndrome is simply unprovable and diversionary.
And yes, I think the knee-jerk response to declare anyone who is a bit eccentric as being on the AS (including someone like myself) is over-kill and frankly does a disservice to those individuals who genuinely would appear to fit the commonly agreed-upon criteria (a rapidly moving target, as those familiar with DSMV are aware). But I also think we see so many more diagnoses not because it's a fabricated condition (whatever that might mean), but because people who fit the category in the past were often dismissed, contained in institutions, or on the streets, and not given the supports that would allow them to flourish in their own genuine ways.
And, finally, isn't the word "trigger" itself a "trigger." It takes me back to 1982-83, when Donna Summer brought out "Finger on the Trigger," at the same time my father died. When I hear the song, I think of how painful it was to lose dad, and, well, I think I need to go lie down now. You'll excuse this absence, won't you?
What is cis?
I know what the OP is talking about. This is almost 99% a women/herd mentality thing coming from women from lower-middle class families who lucked out and attended above average public schools and then are able to get into small highly-ranked colleges or state uni's where they propagate this mindset to other women. Men and affluent women rarely engage or acknowledge this type of thinking. These women, sadly, find it very hard to find employment aside from toxic female-oriented non-profits that suck them in and then spit them out into unemployment. Oh, and they all have horrendous student debt, but it's the patriarchy's fault.
PC is now dead thank God!! being called bigot, racist or homophobe does not have any impact anymore
Any guesses where OP teaches? Probably somewhere in Vermont or Portland, Oregon.
I had to look up cis, basically trannies and their allies that are ultra-lefties perjoratively call anyone born in the right gender a cisgender.
So if you're male & you were born with a penis you're cis, same for women born with a clit & female.
r22 and r25 = Social Justice Warrior Cunts and Women's Studies major frauen
This twitter account documents the text of these nutjobs that OP is talking about. I'm glad I do not have to deal with teenagers and 20 year olds, so that I avoid this in real life. It's bad enough when it crops up in my internet "path". These little morons are absolutely loathsome.
So what's wrong with striding? It's a good way to get around campus.
OP you sound like a real son-of-a-bitch. Anyone who has been raped (and that's a fair number of your students) and is no longer suppressing their experience will have a problem with viewing or reading the kind of material you describe. If you want to ascribe that to simple "political correctness" you are either a moron who can't make basic distinctions or an arch-creep of the lowest order.
Our culture is saturated with images abuse of women (how many classic texts depict the rape of men?) and many of us have had enough of having to sit through garbage like A Clockwork Orange for its "elevated moral themes" or whatever the hell you will call it. It's clear that these depictions are often unnecessary and little more than self-indulgence on the part of the author.
Also, the traditional canon has its own "off limits" subject matters. As I mentioned above, you will rarely see or read about male rape, or positive gay sex, in the texts or films you are teaching, but for some reason (I wonder what) it is "normal" to see women brutalized at the drop of a hat.
Some of us are fed up with it, genuinely wounded by it, and if you don't understand that you can go back to Critical Thinking 101 or just go fuck yourself.
People who bitch about "political correctness" are usually dumb Republicans who get mad when you call them out on their crap. They think freedom of speech means freedom from criticism. So they whine about "political correctness." Being "politically correct" in their minds means being a smart, educated liberal with a conscious and whining about political correctness is for rednecks.
You all sound like a bunch of Palin voters. Why do gays attack their allies and side with the Republicans who hate them so badly? Self-loathing? Stupidity?
Pro-gay is PC.
Let them leave class, and fail them. Case closed.
I used to teach the Christian symbolism in "Macbeth," and told the students that it was there and we were not going to ignore it.
Where is the outrage,moral indignation and condemnation from the Left about horrific Sharia law abuses suffered by Muslim women, Muslim gay men and religious minorities Muslim or otherwise promulgated by many theocratically controlled Islamic states? Where is their defense of the U.N. Declaration of Human Rights?
I guess the fear of being labeled a "racist" or "Isalmophobe" has silenced what would normally be a cause celebre on college campuses around the globe...or perhaps it could be a sign of a deeper,more troubling pathology. We need to have this debate.
Like any irrational,suicidal extreme...political correctness and moral,cultural relativism in full flower can only lead to nihilism and ultimately...self-annihilation.
That's one of the reasons we oppose Hillary Clinton, since she's buddies with all the third world dictators you can name and the Clintons have taken millions from the Sauds for their presidential libraries. DOn't give me this bullshit that lefties are soft on Muslim terrorism. That's just a lie.
From R52's link:
[quote]wearing glasses with no prescription is appropriation of a disability and offensive to those of us who can't see
Who wants to eat my pussy?
[quote]Our culture is saturated with images abuse of women (how many classic texts depict the rape of men?) and many of us have had enough of having to sit through garbage like A Clockwork Orange for its "elevated moral themes" or whatever the hell you will call it. It's clear that these depictions are often unnecessary and little more than self-indulgence on the part of the author.
The novel of A Clockwork Orange was written by Anthony Burgess, whose own wife was sexually traumatized by a gang of boys during WWII and who was deeply disturbed by this for the rest of his life. One of the reasons he wrote the novel was to analyze the kind of culture that allows gang rapes to happen.
I taught A Clockwork Orange last semester in a course on post-war English fiction alongside Angela Carter's The Magic Toyshop(among many other works). My students were much more upset by Carter's depiction of a simulated rape than by the rape in Burgess's book; the simulated rape in Carter's novel (as was the rape in Burgess's book) was depicted to raise complex questions about patriarchal authority and its abuses. But by your logic, I guess they were both just getting off on it. (Carter was an avowed and pioneering feminist, btw.)
These things come and go in waves. I'd much rather college age kids were getting up in arms about social injustice and attacking privilege with all the fervor of the born-again progressive, even if it is annoying, than signing up en masse for the church groups, conservative student unions and celebrating their intellectual snobbery over the unwashed masses by being as offensively anti-PC as possible.
The institutional,political Left,the Left in media, Leftist academia and most student associations across the planet are very MUCH soft on many aspects of the roots of Islamic Jihad violence and Sharia oppression choosing to blame the causes of terrorism ONLY on Western hegemony,colonialism and imperialism while at the same time ignoring the violent and hateful texts and teachings originating from the Koran and Hadiths and endorsed,enabled and promulgated by ALL the mainstream and influential schools of Islamic jurisprudence.
The Left in Europe,the U.K. and now in the U.S. have been on a "crusade" to stifle and eliminate reasonable,legitimate debate,examination, and critique of this brutally theocratic,Islamist political and legal ideology.
Instead of open dialogue and free debate we are not only seeing many on the Left endorsing and enabling draconian international "blasphemy laws" masquerading as hate speech legislation but also an increasing tendency to resort to ad hominem media smear campaigns, aggressive,disruptive protest movements and tactics that are solely designed to discredit,marginalize and in even more troubling cases, physically or audibly SUPPRESS anyone with a dissenting view on the subject of Jihad terror and theocratically based Islamic Supremacism.
Who exactly is the "we" you are talking about?
I would love to see some examples of influential figures on the Left who are speaking to some of these issues and concerns.
Just ask former darlings of the Left Jonathan Turley and Joyce Carol Oates if they don't sense what the hell I'm talking about.
r54 made me laugh out fucking loud at the amount of pathetic contained within one post.
[quote]conservative student unions and celebrating their intellectual snobbery over the unwashed masses
That IS what they're doing. In their small, undeveloped minds they think they're being liberal angels bringing freedom and progress to the caveman populace, but what they're advocating is literally suppression and/or erasing of ideas and art that they find personally offensive. They want to be excused without penalty from the classroom when something offends these delicate sensibilities, just like the conservatives who want to be excused from exposure to "hurtful" concepts such as sex and science education.
They have become EXACTLY what they claim they're fighting against.
[quote]The institutional,political Left,the Left in media, Leftist academia and most student associations across the planet are very MUCH soft on many aspects of the roots of Islamic Jihad violence and Sharia oppression choosing to blame the causes of terrorism ONLY on Western hegemony,colonialism and imperialism while at the same time ignoring the violent and hateful texts and teachings originating from the Koran and Hadiths and endorsed,enabled and promulgated by ALL the mainstream and influential schools of Islamic jurisprudence.
I was wondering where DL's resident anti-Islam troll was.
That's reddit, asshat.
All webmaster has to do is go through this thread and delete 99% of the posters. These are our Freeper trolls.
How 'bout I be the "anti-violent Jihad terror troll" and you can be the "banal,pro-Sharia,Islamic theocracy appeasing,ad hominem spewing attack troll"?
Thank you for proving my point.
If you think political correctness is a problem, check out mathematical correctness. My freshman year at state u, I tried to point out that many people, including myself, know that 2+2 is 22, not 4, as the mathematically-correct thought-nazis would have us believe. The professor, as well as everyone else in the room looked at me as if I had said something really stupid. (I understand that these are just college students and not true intellectuals, like Steve Doocey, but, still. )
Joyce Carol Oates has been retired from academia for more than ten years.
Get more up-to-date talking points, anti-Islam Troll. And stop hijacking this thread.
Authorial intent, r63! Authorial intent! How very dare you!
R45, are you saying you can't use the word "freshmen"?
[quote]So I guess calling this WHITE convert to Islam a barbaric,savage,religiously motivated Jihad terror CUNT makes me a racist.
[italic]Trollin', trollin', trollin'...[/italic]
Typical responses....bring on the craven,ad hominem attacks and totally ignore the actual argument at hand.
Don't join any debate teams anytime soon.
[quote]Typical responses....bring on the craven,ad hominem attacks and totally ignore the actual argument at hand.
:playing the world's smallest violin:
R70 - advocate of censorship, the true fascist.
That's what these twits are really about.
[quote][R70] - advocate of censorship, the true fascist.
DL is a Fascist web site. I mean, look at the little FF in the right-hand corner there.
FF is just a way of dealing with extreme flamers and freaks so that debate can be civil - which is what guarantees that everyone can have a voice and not be shouted down. It's not the same as trying to close down debate on a thread because someone doesn't agree with you.
Trolldar is also useful as it helps to reveal the true fascist censors, e.g. those who say things like "All webmaster has to do is go through this thread and delete 99% of the posters."
What's all this nonsense about political correctness?
You all don't sound like serious heterosexual guys, you sound like girly-men.
Real guy-guys don't give a damn about all that political correctness bullshit.
David Gilmour, University of Toronto PROFESSOR
It beats the alternative. But I sometimes wonder if letting the idiots have their fun cuts down on real and hurtful racist, sexist etc acts. Like the study that shows men who have access to porn commit fewer rapes.
R86, are you also r84, etc. who started the thread about the one stupid individual that you must have been delighted to stumble upon, so you could set them up as the straw man (is that permissible?) in your efforts to convince us that we should start defining ourselves as "cis"?
OP, why don't you tell them to take Women's Studies courses?
In any case, the whiners and their insignificant concerns are soon going to be washed away by a new wave of truly radical left politics.
The Weather Underground Organization is currently reorganizing under the guise of various innocuous splinter groups along the lines of the SDS. And when we finally coalesce into one cohesive army, we'll make the SLA look as radical as a meeting of the Young Republicans.
Remember this post in a year.
Le fond de l'air est rouge.
"The Weather Underground Organization is currently reorganizing under the guise of various innocuous splinter groups along the lines of the SDS. And when we finally coalesce into one cohesive army, we'll make the SLA look as radical as a meeting of the Young Republicans."
Good...it will give us a chance to finally wipe out their totalitarian,Communist,Che Guevera cock sucking,Jihad terrorist supporting asses once and for ALL!
Today's PC nonsense in Britain. Asda was criticised for selling an 'insane' Halloween costume with straitjacket, etc. Apparently, insulting to the truly insane, which is kind of insane.
From r52's link
[quote]There are school lunch programs and food-policing in public schools in the name of reducing the population of fat people.
[quote]Why hearing cis women complain about periods is frustrating for trans* women
[quote]"Is wearing moccasins considered cultural appropriation?" Probably
[quote]Both boi & stud have etymology that traces back to colonial times, with significant ties to African Americans/POC.
[quote]It is easy to see that "artificial insemination" of a cow (or any other nonhuman female) is rape when you view her as someone, not something
[quote]is it wrong of me to buy clothing from asian websites even though i'm white?
[quote]it makes me really uncomfortable when white men call each other “brother”
[quote]I had to teach myself how to wash dishes (And it sometimes triggers me)
[quote]Thin privilege is going on a suicide prevention blog and not seeing your body type listed as something to be recovered from.
[quote]Adult privilege is having the option to report crimes like theft or abuse, and have the perpetrator punished properly.
[quote]Suicide is a sign of white privilege.
[quote]"Do you believe there's a sort of non-incest privilege?" Yeah, similar to straight privilege in that it's a privilege based on attractions
[quote]The term ‘mouthbreather’ fucking amazes me. Like, we’ll seriously make fun of someone for… breathing differently?
[quote]I am genderfluid, please use they/them im asexual romantically interested in persons that like me back pls don’t tell me about your sex life
[quote][trigger warning: ableism] I’ve started to realize that any intelligence judgment is inherently ableist
[quote]i now want to have a visibly queer, andro, femme, faggot, trans* body.
[quote]policing someone’s choices is not and will never be the same as systemic oppression that aims to eliminate the existence of fat people.
[quote]friendly reminder that fatness isn’t something that people become as a result of their eating habits.
[quote]Thin people will never understand the pain of going over-budget to indulge in the few things that make you happy at the cost of your dignity
[quote]I wonder... if it’s okay to cite Tumblr as a reference for my sexual liberation paper.
[quote]SHOWERS ARE A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT. YOUR BODY DOESNT NEED IT
Well, for years the students pretended to be gods and goddesses without being nude. So it's not as if nudity is essential to the sophmoric prank of demanding libations. So why not just wear a loincloth? If it was a play like Eqqus, which has nudity written into the script and has meaning, then that's a different story.
Students should learn how to to pick their fights. I would let go of the nudity in this instance, since it has no meaning as part of the prank. But I would insist on keeping nudity in theatrical productions which call for it, in literature, etc.
And I have no problem with letting people know ahead of time that there is nudity in a play, or that we are going to read a book about rape. If someone doesn't want to see it or read it, I have no problem with it. They can stay away from the play and avoid taking the class where a book features rape. They didn't have nudity or read about rape in colleges in the past and education still went on.
But these students should not be able to keep other students from seeing a play with nudity on campus or reading a book about rape in class. Just let people know ahead of time what's involved.
It's mainly just you old farts who have a problem with being politically correct.
And by my calculations, you've done a shit job with the world, so maybe you should take a seat and accept that you're not the infallible gods you think you are.
For the most part, no one is advocating wiping out depictions of rape, drug abuse, suicide, etc. in books, movies, theatre, whatever.
All they want is a warning.
But a loincloth would invoke the hyper-masculine notions that we are trying to dispel. A man in a loin cloth is a hop, skip, and a jump removed from rape. Consider that Tarzan, who wore a loincloth because his nudity might offend, still saw Jane as a stark contrast to he, Tarzan. She was an object, one to be lusted after. And never mind that Tarzan came from the jungle and lusted after a white woman. Do I really need to illustrate the racism in all of this? Why don't you have them put shoe polish on their faces while you're at it?
[quote]All they want is a warning.
Because that will be good training in life!
There's just LIFE, and it doesn't come with warnings!
I don't get how these delicate flowers act as if THEY get to transform everyone they come into contact with for offenses I can barely understand? Can't they just let their environment help them become who THEY want to be?
I never met so many people looking to CONTROL complete strangers by bleating "I'm offended!" at them!
[quote]They didn't...read about rape in colleges in the past
Perhaps you should actually go to college before commenting on the curricula of the past or present.
R90 the formatting of your response to me was an immediate clue to its intellectual content.
[quote]I never met so many people looking to CONTROL complete strangers by bleating "I'm offended!" at them!
This is where I again point out how much these people have in common with Republicans.
"WM needs to ban the Islam troll already. Christ."
What R83 said.
Islam is a political ideology similar to Nazis
I love you R102
You sound like an absolutely shit college teacher. Pity the students who have you.
OP, let me guess - your students are now boycotting some obscure pasta company, right?
Guess you didn't follow the link to see that it is r/tumblerinaction.
"Political correctness" is the right-wing term for simple human decency.
[quote]You sound like an absolutely shit college teacher. Pity the students who have you.
Not to make shallow and knee-jerk ad hominem attacks or anything.
R107, not necessarily. Inherent in the phrase "politically correct" is the meaning that something is not really either correct, truthful or accurate, but it is politically expedient.
R109: But they act as though calling someone what they prefer to be called is somehow analogous to totalitarianism.
R110, well, they would be wrong then. It is not totalitarianism, it is anarchy. As people say about conservatives (rightly), "You have a right to your own opinion, but not your own facts." The same applies to everyone regardless of whether it is empowering or dis-empowering, or whether it is good for ones self esteem or not.
I'm just stunned that Tumblr is being used for things besides porn.
The last straw for me regarding "transphobia" was when they started claiming women like Joan of Arc as "trans men", as if Joan could have found a women's suit of armor back then. In their zeal to add historical figures to their ranks, they're likely to claim anyone less conventionally femme than Donna Reed as "trans".
OP, I have a solution.Just assign Datalounge as required reading.
After a few pages of frau, cunt, and various racial epithets, they'll all become apoplectic and drop to the floor dead.
Please stop. The wounding, the wounding. As a SOGI POC I am being triggered by all this cisgender slutshaming of transfolks.
Just tell all str8 white gentiles to STFU and use your fists to do so if necessary. We all know these social justice warriors are correct when it comes to those "people." Why do we tolerate the existence of these oppressor classes? They oppressed us for millennia, and in some places, they still do. It's way past time to return the favor.
More from r52's link
[quote]this blog is not for education, this blog is for adorable femmes to express rage in a safe environment
[quote]Thin privilege is living in the overwhelmingly large margin of opportunity to become a financially independent woman via the sex industry.
[quote]When its easier to recover from being shot in the head than it is to keep weight off? Yeah, it actually is.Its call body modification. Moron
[quote]Honor and heroism are white men ideas anyway
[quote]CIS PEOPLE MAKE NO FUCKING SENSE
[quote]Weight loss has been proven again AND AGAIN to fail completely, which makes it an effective treatment for ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NOTHING
[quote]This is super fucking relevant. And why self portraits (selfies) are often such an act of self preservation and resistance.
[quote]where does that leave me? i’m definitely queer and not-white and consider myself nonhuman, although i wouldn’t say otherkin
[quote]Should white people be allowed to participate in bukkake, or is it a form of cultural appropration? Please discuss.
[quote]i wish i wasnt white so people didnt give me weird looks when i say i hate the usa
[quote]tumblr teaches me so much more than anyone else does about life situations
[quote]Thin Privilege is NOT being seen as a sex worker just because you’re dressed up
[quote]i’m cis so if i fucked up i apologise and i would like criticism; i’m not trying to talk over trans* people but if i have please call me out
[quote]The war against fat, like efforts to “cure,” “convert,” or “repair” queer sexualities, will fail.
[quote]If you give your children names that aren't gender neutral, you're deciding their gender for them and that's really fucked up.
Sorry, whiners, but these politically correct morons who get their marching orders from Tumblr, are fucking nutjob freaks. There is no justifying this crap.
[quote]I actually thought about it for like half a second and yeah I'm p sure smoking a hookah as a white person is problematic and appropriative
[quote]A BLOG ABOUT MY EXPERIENCES AS A TRANS-TEMPORAL WOMAN FROM THE 1800S LIVING IN TODAY'S WORLD.
Obesity is a choice.
Michfest is what happens when political correctness is left unchallenged.
I'm still confused over how you can have posts and people you don't agree with popping up regularly in your Tumblr feed. You choose who to follow so the experience is entirely tailor-made by the user.
I think it's time to retire the phrase "cultural appropriation."
r121 Quit acting like nobody else realizes the fact that the people one follows on Tumblr can and do reblog posts from people one does not follow and therefore, may or may not agree with. If you are still "confused", then the fault lies with your dysfunctional brain only.
Criticizing Tumblr is the EPITOME of cisprivilege.
If Tumblr nonsense stayed on Tumblr, nobody would even care, and it would not be worth highlighting or talking about. But it doesn't. The little unhinged brats take it out into the real world and make others have to deal with their bullshit, however briefly.
PrettyClitoris sounds off on White Privilege
"White Privilege is not having three different white girls in your dorm begging you to teach them how to twerk.
I don’t even know how to twerk so stop fucking assuming that I do."
[quote]I think it's time to retire the phrase "cultural appropriation."
How about we retire "privilege" while we're at it? It's so overused as to be nearly meaningless.
While I agree in theory with many of the ideas presented by folks of this ilk, it astounds me how many of them think that be resharing on tumblr or liking something on facebook they're actually making a difference in the world. The real world is such a painful awakening for them.
Activism is a good thing, but the root word is "act". Change requires more than a mouse click.
R94, just so you know - you sound like a real prick.
Surely the 'trans temporal' post was a joke? Unless the person means they identify with that era ...?
I don't understand why treating people respectfully and taking other lifestyles, cultures, and viewpoints into consideration is a bad thing.
Bet you all weren't aware that Halloween is now OFF-LIMITS! Guess why.
since halloween and stuff, here’s a little lesson:
the term “sp—ky” that is so popular on halloween is one with a violent anti-black history in the united states. though its origins are said to be much older (and to mean spectre-like), the term quickly became an anti-black slur. we don’t often hear it as a direct term anymore, but the history of fear around black people/the fear of black people as an excuse for violence still lives within the the word.
please be cautious of the words you use this time of year.
And bonus, new strident political correctness from the college kids on tumblr:
[quote]casual reminder to other white queers and non-binary people that words like princex, boi, and two spirit are not for our use
I agree with them about Joan of Arc. Total trans.
Looney, nuts, unpleasant to be around. The tragedy is she is seen as a heroine, which is odd considering England would have controlled France all these centuries if she had not been around and we get our culture from England.
I am not actually anti-trans though, as that must have sounded.
The more I read about today's college students & their incessant whining & PC-ness, the more I'm convinced that we need to reinstitute the military draft in the US.
Maybe a couple of years in some toilety 3rd world outpost will shut the little fuckers up.
DLer's who love this thread will love this link to a twitter account that monitors all the tumblrs and posts various identity politics/critical theory/social justice/whatever the hell you call these sorts nuggets of wisdom, complaints, theories, and other self-involved, navel-gazing observations and bickering about minutiae amongst them.
Post your favs in this thread.
"Should we speak about fat oppression instead than of thin privilege?"
hmm, should we?
Standing ovation for r13. He really nails the problem with the sjw crowd. They are truly their own worst enemies. A lot of their concerns are completely legitimate, but the way they go about things make people feel the need to knee-jerk in the opposite direction due to the sjw obnoxiousness. Particularly their emphasis on the "original sin" of oppression, and that an individuals thoughts and actions are irrelevant.
Is it a return of political correctness or the limited entry into the edge of the real world by over parented, indulged chldren accustomed to having the universe account for their feelings and wants in every situation?
They all sound like part of the I cried over the black lady in my yoga class generation. Political correctness, however annoying and over reaching, at least had some shred of integrity to it.... all this sounds first and foremost me, me, and me.
I think R143 may be partly onto something..
In the meantime, here's some funny pics. Funny, except that they're all real , and serious.