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Hillary Clinton running for president in 2016, friends say
[quote]The ex-secretary of state admitted to New York magazine that she’s wrestling with another White House bid, but close friends told the magazine that she's already made up her mind. And that means longtime aide Huma Abedin would have to choose between her career and husband Anthony Weiner.
SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 22, 2013
Hillary Clinton has decided to run for president in 2016, close friends say — and that would force long-time aide Huma Abedin into making a tough decision of her own, between her career and her disgraced husband, Anthony Weiner.
Several Clinton confidants tell New York magazine that that the former secretary of state will jump into the 2016 presidential race.
“She’s going to run for president. It’s a foregone conclusion,” one unnamed longtime friend told the magazine in its widely reaching cover story, “Hillary, In Between.”
“In her mind, she’s running for it, and she’s also convinced herself she hasn’t made up her mind,” the friend added.
Another “close confidant” called a Clinton 2016 presidential run “inexorable.”
“She’s running, but she doesn’t know it yet,” the person said. “It’s just like a force of history.”
Speaking for herself — for the first time since stepping down from the U.S. Department of State in February — Clinton confesses that she is, in fact, wrestling with the decision.
“I will just continue to weigh what the factors are that would influence me making a decision one way or the other,” she said.
If Hillary does, in fact, run, it could force Abedin to make a tough choice between her career and her husband, whose online peccadillos could awaken memories of former President Bill Clinton’s well-known infidelities.
“Huma has a choice to make,” a close associate told New York. “Does she go with Anthony, or does she go with Hillary?”
Nevertheless, if Clinton were to plunge into the 2016 race, she would be the instant frontrunner, according to the latest polls, including a CNN survey last week reporting that 65% of Democratic voters would support Clinton in a primary.
She would face a tougher race in the general election, but would still be the favorite. A series of polls released in July showed Clinton beating both New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul in hypothetical matchups.
After 20 years in the public eye — including stints as first lady, New York’s junior senator and Secretary of State — Clinton remains a Democratic icon.
And if she’s not running, she’s certainly doing a bad job of it. Clinton has events lined up throughout the fall that will keep her in the spotlight, including an appearance at the Elton John AIDS Foundation, a speech at a Minneapolis synagogue and an event involving a Mexican-American initiative in California.
For the most part, though, she said she spends her time enjoying “ordinary, everyday pleasures” with her high-powered hubby — a marked change of pace for Clinton.
So for now, she’s “not in any hurry” to make a decision about 2016.
“I think it’s a serious decision, not to be made lightly, but it’s also not one that has to be made soon,” she said.
“This election is more than three years away, and I just don’t think it’s good for the country,” she added.
- Well, duh.
- Go Hillary!
- Not a chance in hell.
- Let's hope she crashes and Burns just like 2008. Can't stand the Neo liberal cunt.
- As long as she can get a lift from the press by riding the Obama, she'll be okay. If she pisses them off (quite likely) they have enough shit to destroy her ten times over.
- That's such a tired meme, r6. The days of the press protecting people are long over - the internet ended that. If they have something, they go for it, no matter who it is. Everything that could possibly be flung at her was in 2008.
- In 2008 she had a fairly high negative rating because of all the baggage the Republicans threw at her when she was First Lady. Going into 2016, she has much higher ratings and is much more popular.
She is also likely to do better with the women's vote next time than in 2008.
- She'd be better than that idiot Biden. Maybe she could repair some shit that Obams fucked up.
- If Hillary can beat Chris Christie, she's the next president.
- Hillary should have won in 2008--and Obama could have run in 2016. But no, Obama had to go and fuck up things.
- Won't Biden be too old? He'd be in his 70's in 2016.
- [quote]Can't stand the Neo liberal cunt.
You must hate Obama then.
- I don't know how much competition Chris Christie would really be. For one thing, he needs to lose a good 80 lbs at least before he's presentable
enough - and perceived as healthy enough - for a prexy. He doesn't seem to be doing all that well in the weight loss dept.
Secondly, he's compromised himself with Rethuglicans by being too friendly with Obama here and there. The Rethuglican philosophy of fucking over everyone who doesn't have the money to withstand it doesn't sit well with a governor whose state was ravaged by a hurricane.
They will be conflicted over him.
- I'm also not sure if Christie has the right temperament to be President. Being frank and angry may work well as Governor, but on the National and International stage it is a different matter.
Will he be able to restrain his temper during an election? He often yells, screams and insults people, and I'm not sure that will transfer to the National stage.
- File this under "No Shit, Sherlock."
- who will she pick as running mate?
- A little early, R17.
But I'd say Sen. Mark Warner (D-VA).
- Of course she is. Not sure exactly who the Repubs have up their sleeve but right now it seems like she'd win easy.
- We will have another William Henry Harrison on our hands. She is WAY too old.
- I hope she doesn't get the nomination. It's time for someone like Elizabeth Warren, who, unlike the Clintons, doesn't truckle to Wall Street and the country's billionaires boys club.
- [quote]that would force long-time aide Huma Abedin into making a tough decision of her own, between her career and her disgraced husband, Anthony Weiner.
Somehow, I don't think that decision would be a tough one.
- I wish the Clintons and the Bushes would just leave. Go back to whatever shithole you crawled out of and just wait to die. I'm sick of these political families.
- [quote] It's time for someone like Elizabeth Warren, who, unlike the Clintons, doesn't truckle to Wall Street and the country's billionaires boys club.
Elizabeth Warren needs a bit more time on the national stage first.
Obama has proven that.
- Elizabeth will be be elected president 2020.
- I would like to see Warren stay in the Senate. And if Hilary is really running for Pres, her best move would be to run with a Hispanic as VP.
- Right R26, nothing spells success like propping up a brown person as a token.
- Not as a token, as a running mate. Please don't be dense.
- I'm excited for this. She will make a great president. Unfortunately, we're now in for rehash after rehash of their personal lives. It's already started. Now we just need to make sure that she has a modern and up to date team behind this time, which is why she lost to Obama. Her team was running an out dated 90s style campaign. I hope she's gotten good people and has decided on a good message. Now all we need to do is find a good VP.
- R28, then talk candidates and not race which does make you sound like you are reaching for a token.
- Not a chance in hell. Obama has been a disaster
- Will Elaine Stritch sing "I'm Still Here" at the inaugural ball?
- Eat shit, freeper/phony at R31.
Obama is the most honest, balanced, most far-seeing president of the last 65+ years. Don't blame him that he happened to be elected just as the Zombie Christian Republican Doomsday contingent took the House.
- R33, R31 is a right wing troll. Here's a quote from him:
[quote]Merkel rocks! Europe is going to the right thank God
- What R1 said. Hopefully a REAL Democrat will run against her.
- R33, that's right, no one can criticize dear leader. Very modern of you.
- There are NO real democrats left sadly...
Hillary can beat whoever the Repubs put up.. and I think it will be Jeb Bush, running with a whackjob like Rand Paul to appease the crazies.
Elizabeth Warren is my favorite but I don't think she could win in 2016. Maybe Hillary could take her on as VP?
One thing that worries me is that the Democrats notoriously fall in love on a first date (Clinton, Obama) whereas Repubs choose somebody who has been hanging around so long voters wonder if he isn't their cousin or something (McCain, Romney). The Democrats might find somebody currently unknown, but I think that would be a disaster. The Huffington Post (ex-right-winger Arianna hates the Clintons) is already stirring shit against the Clintons, I'm sure they'll try to invent a Democratic candidate but I think that would only serve the interests of the Repubs.
- Clinton (just like Obama) is a neoliberal fraud, a Wall Street stooge. Let's elect a true defender of the 99% this time around, please.
- Interesting last sentence, R37. Comment more about this. I think Arianna Huffington is one of the biggest whores in centuries.
- In other news, Francisco Franco still dead.
- It strikes me that she has already learned from 2008. She started too early and it looked like she was being crowned. She's not jumping in too early and has the power to delay this presidential campaign season, for which I will be eternally grateful to her.
She had a poor outdated team who jumped all over each other and leaked like crazy. Obama's team was disciplined from the start and knew how to keep their mouths shut. She needs to forgot the professional pols and go with people who are close to her and have the skills she needs, along with some of the Obama people. Apparently, she is now pretty well regarded among them.
- If Exxon Mobil, Goldman Sachs and the CFR want her to be President, she will be and if Exxon Mobil, Goldman Sachs and the CFR don't want her to be President, she won't be.
- R21 That will get her absolutely NOWHERE if she takes the oval office. You think Obama has it rough, it would be nothing compared to what Warren would face. And that's even assuming she would get enough votes to be the democratic frontrunner. A big stretch.
Sorry, kids, the myth of Lizzy coming in and vanquishing the heartless corporations isn't remotely realistic in this current political climate. She's better off in the senate, where she can do her best work.
- You are right about her outdated team R41; if you've ever read "Game Change", it talks about how not only did her team fail to understand that the 1990's were over, they were placed in their jobs because they were Clinton loyalists. Hillary was very slow (if she did anything at all) to replace them, even when it was clear she was being outmaneuvered by Obama who had a more innovative staff.
The whole episode with Huma Abedin (using Clinton donors to bolster her husband's ill advised campaign) makes me wonder if she's still loyal to a fault and keeps around people who make her look bad or make bad decisions.
- I like Elizabeth Warren too, but she was just elected to the Senate less than a year ago. She also would be considered too left-wing. She would be considered a socialist and a communist, etc.
Let's see how Warren does in the Senate for a while and whether or not she can build support nationally.
- By the time 2016 rolls around, America will have lost it's taste for Corporate butt-lickers like Hillary. Warren will look better and better.
- I'll believe it when I see it, R46.
- They'll kill Warren before they let her near the White House.
- R48 has a point. People who threaten the establishment in a major way have a history of being removed.
- Quinnipiac Poll
Oct. 2, 2013
Clinton--49, Chris Christie--36
Clinton--53, Rand Paul--36
Clinton--54, Ted Cruz--31
- What about John Kerry as her VP? I love John Kerry. I think he would have made an amazing president, especially in 2004.
- R51, she's not going to choose a white male from the Northeast.
- HumaAbedin needs to be demoted down to fourth aide. She's a huge liability. Makes it too easy for the opposition to color Hillary as someone who willingly turns a blind eye to bad behavior. With both Hillary and Huma being women who let pervy men walk all over them, how would it look if Hillary turned a blind eye on Putin or the next swarthy skinned person the CIA designates as international boogeyman #1?
- If Hillary Clinton is going to put that dilemma to Huma, she's not half the woman I think she is. One would think that Clinton of all people would have scruples about holding a woman's loyalty to her sexually profligate husband against her.
- I will vote for her if she runs. And in 2024, Liz Warren.
- I think John Kerry will retire after his term as Secretary of State. Remember that Kerry is 70 now. He would be about 74 by the time of the next election and getting up there in age.
Also would carry the stigma of the loss to Bush around him. And the Democrats probably wouldn't want 2 former Secretary of States on the same ticket.
- [quote]Also would carry the stigma of the loss to Bush around him. And the Democrats probably wouldn't want 2 former Secretary of States on the same ticket.
Joe Biden lost the presidential campaign in '88, but maybe this is viewed as not quite as a loss, or weak variable on a presidential ticket.
I thought John Kerry was early-to-mid 60's. Then he would be too old.
- And she won't even win the nomination. Geez she couldn't even beat a negro in the racist country on Earth.
- [quote]I'm also not sure if Christie has the right temperament to be President. Being frank and angry may work well as Governor, but on the National and International stage it is a different matter.
I hope those stages are reinforced.
- If Hillary was really serious, then she wouldn't have accepted any nomination other than VP and not Sec. of State in my opinion. She pulling this out to keep her supporters in a frenzy and may be get a good book deal. Shame, because I would like her.
- I think her time has past.I agree with earlier poster that Obama should be running next. I think she did fine as Secretary of State and she showed she could be a good team player, but her health will not keep up. But as much as she would be the frontrunner, and I supported her the last time, I don't think I can this time. I am tired of Bushes, Clintons, Kennedys, etc.
- How deluded are you people? If you want to retain a Democratic White House, Hillary must run. Otherwise, we are forced with a Chris Christie presidency.
- Shocker. I'm also a little tired of the Clinton/Bush dynasties. That said, I want the Dems to hold the White House especially against these Tea Party nuts. If she can beat them, she'll get my support.
She should think about Sen. Kaine from Virgina as a running mate. He's smart and could help get Southern votes.
- What about Joe? Everyone seems to think he's not going to run.
If Hill does decide to run, get ready for the right to start Benghazi blame game all over again. SIGH
- Please let them blame her for it, R64. It's all they have and it's a cooked up "scandal" so they can knock her down a peg. It only appears to the far-right of their base.
When she runs, I'd love for her to groom a younger candidate to run whenever she's done with the presidency. Someone like Julian Castro from San Antonio, or even Attorney General Kamala Harris would both be pretty good choices.
- [quote]Someone like Julian Castro from San Antonio, or even Attorney General Kamala Harris would both be pretty good choices.
Wrong. First, when was the last time we had a state attorney general or a city mayor as a VP candidate? (Answer: never)
Second, while Texas is trending blue, it's not there yet and it's not going there in 2016. California is already blue and will stay that way in 2016. Neither of these candidates brings a single state to the table.
Choosing a Latino would be smart, given the national electorate. Castro (actually either of the Castro brothers) will have to rise a bit higher up the food chain before he's a serious contender for national office. When Jerry Brown is done being governor of CA, Kamala should run. Either that or take one of the senate seats when Boxer or Feinstein retires.
- Oh, she'll run. And win. And everyone knows it. She and Obama did the right thing, and this is her time.
- r67, I thought the same thing about Castro last summer that I did about Obama in '04 - someday he will be President.
He's not ready yet, but he could be a good running mate.
- " One would think that Clinton of all people would have scruples about holding a woman's loyalty to her sexually profligate husband against her. "
Oh boy. You think Hillary is some kind of feminist in the way she treats other women? She's had her own personal war against women. She's been instrumental in smearing and destroying any woman outed as a bimbo du jour of her husband. Even an intern who was sexually harassed(that's what we would have called it where I work) by her husband. She has no moral compass.
- I think she'll pick either Mark Warner, Sherrod Brown, or Tim Kaine as her running mate. They're all strong politicians from swing states. I'd hate to potentially lose a Democratic senator if she picks one of them, but I can't think of anyone else who is qualified enough to be her running mate, except maybe Brian Schweitzer.
- She'll run a much smarter campaign this time around. And her performance in the State department will really put her far ahead of anybody else as far as experience goes. Bottom line: she really looks and acts 'presidential'. And frankly, isn't it about fucking time we had a woman in the White House!?
- There's going to be a lot of pressure on Julian Castro to run for Senate against John Cornyn.
- No, I don't really think that r70 Your point is well taken. But when it comes to a friend and colleague, I don't think Clinton would turn her back on her for doing exactly what she did, sticking by her man. That would be transparently unfair and stupid. And while I don't think of her as a paragon of feminism, I certainly don't think she's stupid or so without empathy as to condemn someone for doing exactly what she did, stick by her dick of a husband.
- Wendy Davis announces her bid for Texas governor tomorrow! She may not win, but she will get a lot of media coverage and help speed up Texas' eventual evolution into a purple state.
- What was her performance at State? Other than being appointed? What was her big policy push and success? Libya? Egypt? The reset with Russia? I know she logged a lot of miles and was very, very tired.
I have no problem with someone staying in a marriage. If your in love. But that's none of my business. I have a problem with her aiding in the destruction and character assassination of her husbands plaything. That's not what a feminist and honest person does.
- "She's been instrumental in smearing and destroying any woman outed as a bimbo du jour of her husband."
That's because most of them were.
"Even an intern who was sexually harassed(that's what we would have called it where I work) by her husband."
OH PLEASE. Lewinsky was a pig who consented to have sex with Clinton. Anyone who brags about having a cum stained dress at the drop of a hat to a mere acquaintance isn't Miss Innocent.
- And there we have at, R77, the language we'll have to constantly spew to support Hillary.
- Oh shut the fuck up, R76.
Her husband's "playthings" were all adult women who chose to fuck a charismatic politician. If they got slammed for it when it became public, it's on them.
The accusations of "rape" and "sexual harrassment" were made by freepers, Clinton-haters and hysterical, man-hating cunts.
Hillary will run - AND WIN - in 2016. It makes absolutely no difference what Huma chooses to do about Carlos Danger. (The smart money says she'll dump him.)
- Oh, I'm sorry that I offended the puritan R78. But the mere mention of Lewinsky being portrayed as a victim is ridiculous. She was sexually harassed, yet she continued to visit the White House almost forty times AFTER the initial incident.
Makes perfect sense.
- "I am tired of Bushes, Clintons, Kennedys, etc."
Yeah, let's find someone new. Someone with a half a page resume and no political experience! Yeah, that's the ticket! And no more Clintons, Bushes or Kennedys because I'm tired.
- You have no idea how many women, including many married women who usually vote Republican, can't wait to vote for Hillary. She'll get the biggest majority of the female vote in history.
- [quote]"She's been instrumental in smearing and destroying any woman outed as a bimbo du jour of her husband."
Oh, please. Those women didn't need any help, they did it all on their own.