It began tonight here in the UK, and it was MARVELLOUS, the show is back on track. (I record it and begin watching, gin & tonic in hand, half an hour later, so I can zap through the commerical breaks, not watching those in real time).
I think Dan Stevens has made a big mistake in leaving. What has he done of note since? - ok, a stint on Broadway in another costume drama (The Heiress) and a period piece movie (Summer in February) that caused not a ripple of interest (I wouldn't even want to see it on tv) and I don't suppose even Downton fanatics bothered with.
Now the stories have been re-structured without him and its going to be ok. Looking forward to the jazz age episodes and Dame Kiri as Nellie Melba. It is of course a total fantasy about how masters and servants behaved back then, but its ideal viewing for these autumn sunday evenings. I understand you won't get it in America until new year, so not giving anything else away.
Lady Edith is at last having some fun. She's going to be a jazz baby.
No, its the young Lucy (?) who is going to be the jazz girl. Lady Edie is going to those literary salons where she meets Virgina Woolf and the like ...
Any good place to download? Thebox shut down :(
Isn't Tom Cullen in it now? I want him deep inside me.
He has not appeared yet, but will be one of the guys swarming around lady Mary. Gay boy Nigel Harman has not appeared yet either, as a new valet. Lets hope Thomas gets some action this time round.
It was good but just as you'd expect for a first episode - how's that for no spoilers? There isn't much to say yet so it seems a 90 min episode was excessive.
I'm convinced it was timed to go with the Emmys which will make the papers tomorrow morning in a double whammy of publicity - regardless if it wins anything, its presence is enough.
I'm sure before it started earlier in September but maybe coincidnce. There's also another Christmas day special so that might have something to do with it. Before the Xmas episodes seemed like a "soap bubble" separate from the show, but cleary not anymore.
R3 I've downloaded episodes from The Pirate Bay before, they seem to go up pretty quick.
I thought Thomas and Jimmy ended season three agreeing to be 'friends'. I just figured they'd end up going further with that. Thomas should get the mean fucked out of him by different guys in every episode.
[quote]I think Dan Stevens has made a big mistake in leaving.
Agree. But I'm sort of glad in a way. I always thought the central love story was the weak link of the show. I prefer the supporting characters.
Dan Stevens and Michelle Dockery (aka Louise Lombard redux) are fine, look the part and act well and everything, just the characters are kinda dull ciphers and it had that generic will they/won't they angle for much of it, too predictable. Neither actor was known for anything before it and now Stevens looks awful following big weight loss.
Now I'm wondering how Lady Mary will let her hair down. Would it be too predictable for her to end up with Branson? Maybe it will be the Tom Cullen character. Or will Thomas finally get a love interest with Tom Cullen going gay again?
Not happy with Nigel Harman being in it. They keep using average actors from soaps. That Jimmy character is distracting as he looks too much like Simon Baker.
[quote]I think Dan Stevens has made a big mistake in leaving.
I think so too, OP. Not every handsome Brit actor is going to strike gold like Damian Lewis.
More likely, his leaving will resemble David Caruso's career dive after he left NYPD Blue.
Although Caruso eventually got a starring role on CSI: Miami, his career never really recovered.
And it's not just about leaving. Both actors really fucked over the producers. Caruso's behavior has been well-documented, and Downton's Abbey's producers begged Stevens to stay just a little while, or make a cameo appearance so they wouldn't have to scramble immediately with a new story line.
The reputation for biting the hand that made you a name seldom goes away.
Thomas is still a bitch.
Thanks so much, OP. I didn't know it was back!
Good point OP. Abruptly up and leaving a series doesn't bode well sometimes. People think "well he left his last series, what makes us think he won't do it again?" And they don't want to hire the actor in question. It took Caruso years to recover from the NYPD Blue situation and like you said he never got back to the level of stardom he had previously.
I have no idea what kind of career Dan Stevens expects to have in Hollywood, especially in films since that is apparently what he's aiming for. He's not a leading man or an action/comic book hero material. I think he made a really dumb decision leaving a gigantic international hit show that gets a ton of media attention - basically a job that any actor would kill for - and he just blew it.
Whoops, I was talking to r9.
As daytime soapy as it is, Dan Stevens could easily have been re-cast without the show missing a beat. He is an adequate but milquetoast actor.
I think he didn't want to be pigeon-holed as Matthew Crawley and overestimated the reach of DA. It's successful, but his character isn't particularly memorable. Take him out of period clothes, slap a different hairstyle and accent on him, and he'd be unrecognizable to most.
Thank God, the Dowager Countess is back!
Stevens was terrific in THE LINE OF BEAUTY a BBC production about 5 years ago, of Alan Hollinghurst's gay novel, where he was convinclying gay too. I didn't recognise him from those new photos where he had lost the chubby look and almost reshaped his face and hair.
Theres only room for a few successful British actors at any time, and it seems Damian Lewis and Henry Cavill got there first. Dan's recent film Summer in February which he was frantically bigging up in interviews at the time sank without trace here - and indeed, if he is lucky to get another series will producers trust him again? Walking out of a hit show causing the plot to be changed is not going to win him any admirers in the business. Lord Fellowes who created the show, has been gracious but you can imagine how furious they must have been.
[quote]Thomas should get the mean fucked out of him by different guys in every episode.
Ooh! sounds good, hope Julian Fellowes wrote that
[quote] That Jimmy character is distracting as he looks too much like Simon Baker.
but not as handsome. they way he is gushed over is ridiculous. British people have odd standards of male beauty.
Muah! ha! Thomas is back at being a trouble-maker, but by sheer dumb luck, he ingratiates himself to his employers once again.
To his utter surprise, he was in fact right in telling on the bitch nanny.
I'm with R311 - I like ending up at a tumblr of hot men where the pic was posted - gives me more images to scroll through.
Remember, if you can't stand the wait here in the US, you can read about Downton online on the British newspaper websites.
Spoiler! Mary mourns Matthew's death in episode 1! she wears black... when will she go to purple?
Where can I stream the new season? Please have a heart and post the link to this thread.
Loved the first episode! I think they are handling Matthew's death well. For awhile I was expecting the writers to jump ahead 5 years or so for this first epi of season 4. Fortunately it looks like Mary will not mourn consistently for the cameras this season. That would have been a bummer. At least she looks like she's going to find things to do with managing Master George's money.
Oh and just an observation - obviously they started filming this episode before the future King of England, Prince George, was born. It's interesting that they selected the same name for Master George.
I posted this in the other downton thread. go to
delishows dot com
and type in downton abbey
just be sure to click off all the ads that pop up (often in background browsers) The ads will disappear right after the show starts.
SPOILER ALERT: Lady Mary ends up married to Carson by the end of the season.
[quote]Where can I stream the new season? Please have a heart and post the link to this thread.
I can't believe that in the year 2013 there are people who are still unfamiliar with this, but here you go...
I don't want to stream it on my laptop, I want to download it and stream it to my Apple TV so I can watch it with friends. So, is there a good place to download it?
SPOILER ALERT: Lady Violet called Lady Edith's new labia piercing "vulgar!"
Lady Edith shakes her shimmy HARD in episode one!
Download Downton Abbey and a lot more here at Scene Source:
www dot scnsrc dot me
[quote]I think Dan Stevens has made a big mistake in leaving. What has he done of note since?
A major role in "The Fifth Estate," the upcoming Oscar-bait film about Julian Assange and WikiLeaks? It premiered at TIFF and debuts in theaters next month.
[quote]Downton's Abbey's producers begged Stevens to stay just a little while, or make a cameo appearance so they wouldn't have to scramble immediately with a new story line.
He *did* give them notice, or at least enough of it to formally kill off Matthew. (Unlike Siobhan Finneran/Mrs O'Brien, who had to be hastily and awkwardly written off on last night's premiere after giving notice during hiatus.)
As for the episode, I wasn't crazy about it, frankly. There was no subtlety whatsoever to the "grey mood over Downton," which literally manifested itself on camera thanks to drab clothes and dusky camera filters ... until, of course, Mary decided to "rejoin the living" and all of a sudden BAM, the sun breaks and flowers bloom and everything is green again! It really seemed like filler, and more so given its extended length. I fail to see why on earth Carson's former "buddy" has shown up, unless they're pivoting for a reveal that they were more than just "friends." I'd say the best part was Nanny turning out to be such a vile cunt, resulting in Cora dismissing her on the spot. Anyway, I guess they needed to have at least one episode with everyone in "mourning" over Matthew ... which probably would've been more tolerable had it not been so soon since we had to witness all the mourning over Sybil (and her awful death scene), but anyway.
Yes, I think it's exceedingly obvious the writers are setting up Branson and Mary as the show's next big coupling.
Not to be an old man, but what the eff is going on with that site, R30? It's a bunch of circular links that don't lead to any real torrent files. Just sketchy sites asking me to sign up for this and that. What happened to good old fashioned torrent forums?
Anyone know why Siobahn left? O'Brien was a very popular character and I'm going to miss her.
R32, SceneSource isn't a torrent site.
The links take you to file-sharing sites where you can download the link (slowly) for free or (quickly) for a fee.
You can get movies, tv, music, magazines, ebooks, etc.
A site like AllDebrid dot com handles files from dozens of sites for one monthly fee.
I think it's less hassle than torrent sites.
Thanks a million, r26! I used 1 channel before they switched to vodly (?), but there are now way too many ads. I've never heard of Solar Movie, but it is a lot less cluttered than other streaming sites.
I watched it on tubeplus.me less than 24 hours after it aired in the UK, commercial free as well.
heres the link. I got rid of my cable and now only watch TV online. If you connect your PC to your TV with an HDMI you can still have a big screen experience.
Lady Edith is going to be a NAZI !
Thanks, R38. Yeah, it seems as though Lady Edith's paramour is heading down the "Heil Hitler" road.
Let's have a Gay old time
I still wonder whether Dan Stevens really left all voluntarily. Actors in the UK seem to see their career differently than in the US. Inititially I thought it was just negotiations gone bad. The agent fucked up, asked for too much money, and the actor is out of a job.
I'm so glad, OP, that you continue to find our little story a diversion from whatever tawdriness is your lot. And how clever that you have found a way to avoid the trade that sustains us, and thought to announce it.
We are all trying to avoid being killed off, but personally, I offer no assurances. The man is mad.
But it's "it's," dear. Really.
And do please note my preferred title. "Dowager" makes me seem as old as I am, and adding my lovely first name permits its (note, please, no apostrophe here) disappearance. Because being correct while pointing out ways to achieve one's desires is, after all, what I offer in a positive way.
Okay. Lots of choppy little scenes, trying to cram everything in.
I've decided that Mosely is my favorite character now that O'Brien has left. He should always be in the background causing chaos.
I know they are trying to liven up Lady Edith's character but she has no chemistry with the actor playing her lover. Also the idea that either one of them would consider moving to Germany so soon after the war is ludicrous. The writer's usual solution would be to kill off the crazy wife (hey, it worked for Matthew and Bates) but a better idea would be for Edith to finally get some balls and move to London to live in sin with the guy. She is always so wishy-washy and all she does is moan about her life. Well, she should just do it.
r43 are you mad? In 1922 NOBODY "lived in sin." Especially the upper classes. It was a major, major taboo and a modern person can't really comprehend the disgust and uproar such a living arrangement gave to people back then.
Indeed. She told her lover that her mother even forbade dining out in public at all, let alone go running around like some floozy mistress!
Well it was frightfully bohemian and scandalous, r44 and r45 but it is the Roaring 20s now. Married couples having affairs was always acceptable for the upper classes, as was installing a mistress in an apartment. This is just the next step. Remember, she is running with a literary crowd. They would be more avant garde.
Have you ever read Nancy Mitford's Pursuit of Love? Linda lived with that French count. Fanny's mother, who had done something similar, had the devastating final line in that book.
They need a Diana Mosely type.
SolarMovie asks for a credit card number, which they say they won't charge.
Are these kinds of sites responsible with the credit card information?
Here is an interview with Siobhan Finneran and she goes into why she decided to leave the show
I downloaded the episode off Kickass torrents. It was in HD, the commercials were cut out and it played beautifully. Anyone looking to download the episode get it from there
[quote] Not every handsome Brit actor is going to strike gold like Damian Lewis.
Damien Lewis looks like a lizard.
This show is OVER...
Downton Abbey is past its prime. These days, Anglophiles are turning to such new series as "Call the Midwife," "Death in Paradise," "Last Tango in Halifax" and the new Father Brown mysteries.
r46 A very small handful of bohemian fringe types lived together, but that was it. In the 1920s, there was no way in hell an upper-class woman would move in with a lover. Hell, even as recently as the 1980s that kind of thing was still scandalous in those circles. But in the 20s it was almost akin to criminal activity.
From that Daily Fail article about O'Brien leaving. She's on a new show called The Syndicate.
[quote]The drama, about a syndicate of supermarket workers who win the lottery, attracted more than six million viewers when it aired last year. The second series features a completely different syndicate — of Bradford hospital workers — with Siobhan’s character Mandy as the crux of the piece.
How long before this gets revised and produced in the US? Seems like a ratings winner.
R28, Violet, Countess of Grantham, would properly be called Lady Grantham, not Lady Violet. Please attempt some composure in your "humour."
'The Syndicate' has been and gone here in the UK for months, I had totally forgotten about it until the mention above, it didn't cause much interest and was totally unbelievable (Lottery winners continue their poorly paid hospital jobs - I don't think so). If Siobhan was persuaded to leave 'Downton' to appear in it, she was badly advised. Still she may be going back to 'Benidorm' - her other comedy series.
yes, she is r57. It was also in the article.
R38, what is this "credit card" you speak of?
I miss the opening credits and music from previous seasons.
R57, Finneran says in the interview that she had signed a three season deal and already felt after the second season that she didn't want to make a new deal.
Some people here accuse Finneran and Stevens of bailing out and leaving suddenly, almost like they just announced it the day before the shooting began. I'm pretty sure that if they didn't sign the contracts the producers and writers knew well in advance that they'd be out. Of course I have no idea what happened, and possibly Stevens leaving might have come as a surprise to the makers so they had to kill him suddenly.
R60, the old theme was played in the end of the episode so I assume that the opening credits and the different music were just there because of how last season ended. BTW, I was playing the theme in my head on Sunday because I knew the new episode would be out and suddenly I realized that it wasn't the Downton theme playing but music from Jane Campion's The Piano that was composed by Michael Nyman. Didn't realize how close Downton's theme was to that.
oh too funny. After I wrote about importing The Syndicate idea for US television, I checked the tv schedule tonight and there is a similar show on ABC at 10 pm. Hadn't seen a preview for it, honest.
The latest series r38 is set in 1922, just at the start of the jazz age. It is far too early to think of Nazis - maybe if it continues up to 1933 in future series ?
I can understand Finneran wanting to leave and do other things, she did not actually have much to do in Downton, after the first series.
r63 the Nazi Party had its' genesis in the early 1920s. By 1922 (the current Downton Abbey year) it had several thousand members and was beginning to be a political force in Germany.
I live in the states and have watched Downton a few hours after it airs in the UK for a couple of years now.
The first episode ended well, I especially enjoyed the outcome of the Nanny West story line. I'm not looking for ward to this story line with Clara's new maid, it would appear that it's going to be frustrating.
I don't think the character O'Brien would have left Lady Crawley if not for the actor leaving the cast. O'Brien still had too much guilt about causing Clara's miscarriage and illness.
I'm not as interested in Carson's past as Mrs. Hughes seems to be.
I'm really ready for Edith to hurry up and do something. If her suitor has become a German citizen to divorce his wife, then so be it. As long as she stays in Yorkshire for that time.
I suspect that Mary will do well with her endeavors. I do wish that some of her ice would melt, but I don't expect it.
Lord Grantham, I'm sure will continue to annoy me with his obliviousness to the world.
Must Barrow continue on at the Abbey? I've never cared for his character, despite his being gay. I'd rather he were to suddenly compelled to move to Russia.
R55, it's called Lucky 7, it starts tonight on ABC and it's a direct adaptation of The Syndicate. I think one of the actresses on that is even in this one, too.
[quote]I don't think the character O'Brien would have left Lady Crawley if not for the actor leaving the cast.
Agreed, but not for the reason of guilt. I think O"Brien (who IMO is a lesbian) secretly was in love with Lady Crawley.
Lorraine Bruce plays Denise in both The Syndicate and Lucky 7.
Finneran, like Stevens certainly made a foolish choice.
I wish the Evil Nanny story had been a tad more subtle and lasted at least one more episode.
I'm also not interested in this old friend of Carson and it surprises me that Mrs Crawley would take him on as a project and bring him into her house, a derelict stranger! and yet be so oblivious to Moseley's plight.
The new ladies maid is intended to stir up trouble. She fumbled the sick Mum? Aunt? question during her interview. In the preview, it looks like she'll clash with Bates.
It all seems so predictable.
The young woman they brought in from the Scottish family is our "Georgina" from Upstairs, Downstairs in the '70's. They brought her in for the same plot reasons.
This show is lousy. Let's talk about "EastEnders" instead. Anyone else watch that?
Another season starting and already characters and storylines that come and go with no apparent long term planning. It's a show that could have been brilliant yet it is so superficial. Characters drive a good show not plot.
It's the British version of Dallas, basically. Dallas can be seen at this point as period drama.
I love th period depicted
Is it a contentious set? I'm puzzled why actors keep jumping ship. Is Fellowes a prick?
Possibly, but who cares, the product is riveting.
I think the show is benefitting from his departure. He's adding more to the story dead than he would have if he were alive. Matthew was at the point where he was just background noise. He was completely dull last season. Good luck to Dan, but I think his character was expendable.
Will the ever solve the mystery of Lady Mary's cursed vagina?
It looks like Branson's tongue is going to solve that mystery pretty soon, r80.
Just downloaded season four episode one. Allen Leech is as hot as ever.
Yes, he is R82. I wish he'd had more to actually do in this episode. Does he call Grantham "Robert" or "Lord Grantham?"
He calls him "hunky daddy bear"
I hope Bates (Brendan Coyle) has more to do this series - he's been practically sidelined. Ditto Thomas - he needs to have some sex or love interest. Otherwise he should leave and move to London to meet others of his kind.
Brendan definitely seems to be gay in real life, has there been any confirmation on Branson being gay?
[quote]I hope Bates (Brendan Coyle) has more to do this series - he's been practically sidelined. Ditto Thomas - he needs to have some sex or love interest.
It's only been 1 episode! Give it time. They had to get the aftermath of Matthews death out of the way.
It really doesn't seem realistic that a cute young gay like Thomas would stay at such a remote location, totally cut off from other gay men for so long. It's been what, 10 years now? He would've found a job in London years earlier.
I hear Lady Mary doesn't grieve for long.
Last night's episode wandered around quite a bit. I wish they'd just stop the "Thomas the Treacherous Queer" bit. It's hugely tiresome now. He's back conspiring with the new ladies maid and we've seen that before - why repeat the plot line? Can't they be more creative than that?
he needs a big hard cock
Well, he should get one...
r92 - He's back to being treacherous? Treachery would be fine if it were fun. And if Thomas ever got any action. I don't think he's had any since the first series, and we didn't even get to see that - just Thomas's thwarted attempt to blackmail the guy afterward.
I just watched the first episode. It does take place during winter, so that explains the "grey" look. And I loved the ending, when Mary went to the luncheon.
I HATE that they're going with that new ladies' maid. Hate her. Is she the same one who played her in the first season?
I'm bored with Thomas. And I didn't get that there was any "Heil Hitler" stuff going on with Edith's beau, just because he's moving to Germany. I mean, it's 1922 - a little early for National Socialism over there.
I agree I'm not really missing Matthew. I think his death creates more storyline than his living would have. But I wish Sybil hadn't died as well. I think it's too many deaths at once and I don't really care for Rose as her replacement.
Sybil is the people's countess
I wonder if Thomas gets some ass off-camera. My god, it's been ten years!
Am I the only weirdo who mentally calculates when each of the Downton characters would have most likely died while watching the show? I can't be the only one.
yes, they are the age of some of my grand and great-grand parents.
Lady Edith and Lady Mary could have lived into the 1990's, if they'd made it to their late 90's or even 100. The Downton Abbey Wiki has all the characters' birth years.
This is a true Delight!
The show's better off without Dan Stevens. What a wet blanket.
Well, that Lady Rose is certainly a roaring strumpet if I ever did see!
Bump for bleached blond Dan Stevens.
What is the color of his hair?
I don't think he can decide, Hugh.
There is clearly now a deficit of blonds on the show
Has Cora gone mute or something? I watched the first 2 episodes and think she had maybe 4 lines at most.... her biggest story arc seems to be her mourning a ruined sock?
Maybe her gay bachelor brother Harold will liven her up when he come to visit from America.
That could be interesting r111, will he and Thomas click ?
I don't miss Matthew (Dan Stevens), but I do miss Sybil. She was so cute together with Branson. I always thought they got too little screen time, especially compared to Matthew and Mary and Anna and Bates. They were the most boring couples, and they got the majority of the screen time in season 2 and 3. I totally understand why the actress playing Sybil wanted to leave. Her character was the most interesting one, and unfortunately the most underused. It sucks. I'm glad we still have one half of the couple left though. Branson is so cute! And I quite like the new bond he's created with Mary, though nothing can come close to the relationship he had with Sybil imo.
Branson can do no wrong in my book, I hope that that slutty Maid doesn't try to shag him again.
I like Branson, and it looks like we'll be seeing more of him. Allen Leech is adorable.
I believe that slutty maid was fired last season, r114, so don't worry!
Sybil and Tom were my favorite love story too.
Something which I think is great and unique about the show which no reviewerhas commented on: the central character of Lady Mary isn't especially likeable on modern terms. She's an emotionally cold solidlyy rational upperclass woman of which there were thousands and hasn't been softened for modern sensibilities -- partly by Fellowes and partly by Dockery's icy performance. Some reviewers don't get it: they call her wooden. Nope. She just withholds, but its brave and brilliant.
I agree with R118. Dockery and her character take all kinds of shit on the boards where hausfraus are looking for Harlequin romance.
Mary is possibly the only realistically written and portrayed character on the show. She's strong and tough, she knows her world and she won't apologize for it. She is not unkind at heart, although Edith would never know it.
Violet had character integrity in season one but they've gone way overboard with the softness now.
I think Dockery plays the part quite flatly. Lady Mary might be an upper class cold hearted girl but she's way too one dimensional since Dockery seems to be unable to inject life into the character. On the other hand I don't think Dockery is a bad actress so I assume that she's playing the role as she's been instructed to. Dan Stevens was the other one whose character seemed to be painfully simple and charicaturish but Stevens' charm came through more than Dockery's.
[quote] Some reviewers don't get it: they call her wooden. Nope. She just withholds, but its brave and brilliant.
I find it the draw of the show: a beautiful woman acting unappealingly; and that creates a frisson with the audience.
J'adore Dockery. She's the best actress on the show. I find her riveting.
Everyone is laying bets that Edith's man becomes fascinated by the nazis - as per many of the UC in the 30s and becomes a blackshirt, while Edith becomes a Mitfordesque Hitler groupie, or a Sally Bowles cabaret crooner in black silk lederhosen. Bonus points if they take Thomas to Germany with them as a valet so he can go through the Weimar boy bars like a hot knife through butter.
When does the new series begin on PBS?
Re the slutty maid, yes, she was fired, but Mrs. Hughes wrote her a good rec for some reason (can't remember why), which led to Cora's hiring her now to replace O'Brien. I wish they hadn't done this.
I love Michelle Dockery. She's the most realistic actor on the show. Lady Mary is complicated and mercurial and human.
r116, there were two maids last season who were throwing themselves at the Upstairs people. One was the war widow who got involved with Lord Crawley. She left, she wasn't fired.
The other was a brazen hussy who went after the widowed Branson when he was confused about his role and place at Downton. She was fired but Mrs Hughes gave her a decent recommendation so she wouldn't cause trouble. She is the one who has come back as Cora's ladies maid because dimwit Cora never figured out what was going on.
I smell trouble
Oh, dear. things have suddenly all gone quite awry at the Downton Abbey!
Dame Nelly was quite the tart!
THis is still a shock to me, I hope that everyone will be alright. and dumb dora is just getting dumber.
Wasn't this new guy supposed to be gay and now he's suddenly violently raping women? If he turns out to be "gay" in the end I can only wonder the motives behind Fellowes for practically making all the show's gay characters evil assholes.
What I've seen of Fellowes he acts like a vicious queen himself but is married to a woman so who knows.
I can't believe poor Anna was raped by that valet. She'll be ruined. Mary won't want to be near her. That whore maid fucking Tom was wild too. Great season so far.
Lord Grantham is getting on my nerves. I know it's his part to be the old school guy. But does he have to be aaall the time? Surprise me at least one time and be ahead of the pack
r123, I buy it as a long-term story arc (the first bit, that is). It figures that once Fellowes runs out of stuff from the OLD Upstairs Downstairs he'd start ripping off the NEW Upstairs Downstairs.
I thought the rape was cheap exploitative drama. The entire reason the servants were upstairs was to contrive a situation where Anna would be alone with that valet. No FUCKING way the grubby kitchen maids would've been allowed to sit up in the hall in clear sight to watch the opera singer the masters had paid a large amount of money to come visit and perform. Not right after a dinner for 16, who were staying for the night. Especially given they would've been up from 5am and probably stank like horse shit. All contrived so Anna could get raped. Bullshit.
Fluff. Good-looking fluff but still empty fluff.
Countdown to the Anna=pregnant drama in 3...2...1...
I predict the new Lord, Tom Cullen, with be getting serious with Lady Mary until its discovered his valet raped one of the house's trusted servants, whereupon Lord Downton will have the valet horse-whipped and thrown out of the house, and thats the end of Mary's latest romance.
r139, is that who the rapist was valeting for? I wasn't keeping track of the names.
That guy already has a fiancee and you can't ditch her without being sued for breach of promise.
so it's quite the sticky wicket, isn't it?
so far i'm not really feeling this season. it seems like very little is happening and the anna rape felt really out of character for the show.
it does come as a slap. Episode three shows that this season could be quite difficult to watch.
I don't think the show is up to the fall out from a rape storyline. Uncle Julian loves his happy coincidences too much to resolve the unpleasant quickly.
There seems to be quite a bit of backlash on the rape story. It's fair enough in some ways - Downton Abbey is meant to be light weight escapism. A rape storyline is a bit too full on for a show like this.
This show needs Cumberbatch. Perhaps next season to help wrap things up?
Can someone explain to me how Matthew was able to leave his half of the estate to Mary? I thought women couldn't inherit these estates -- wasn't that what the first season was all about. Maybe that only affects the portion of the estate that goes with the title -- but then why is the estate in pieces anyway? When Matthew bailed Lord Grantham out, didn't his money become part of the overall estate like Cora's?
the letter he wrote and that was discovered the last episode. Legally binding even though it never became a full will. But indeed, the finances are getting pretty inscrutable.
I do like seeing Lady Mary trotsy around with the hot farmer men though.
Yeah, I know he wrote a letter. That wasn't my question. The question was, how was it possible for Matthew to leave the estate to a woman.
maybe laws changed? no, it honestly doesn't seem logical.
Thank goodness Lady Cora has had more than one line this episode. she finally woke up it seems
I knew that dog Edith was knocked up. Now the father is missing in Germany. He tapped that shit and split.
I saw the letter only so briefly, I couldn't make out what it was about.
Edith is not a whore.
Edna Braithwaite, now SHE'S a whore.
A scheming, tossed out on her bloody fanny, whore.
Its getting sillier and sillier how masters and servants speak to and confide in each other. Lady Cora was splendid last night when Bates and wife Anna were at the fancy restaurant (servants eating out in expensive restaurants?- and where was the nearest fancy restaurant to the Abbey) - the snooty waiter was not going to give them a table but Cora was dining there too and came up to let the waiter see she knew them.. boy, did he bow and scrape.
That Lady Rose is a little strumpet
The servants are all running around like silly these days
Lord Fellowes seems to have come a cropper with this new ROMEO & JULIET which seems to have quitely died - the very idea of updating it for today's kids by de-Shakespearing it, how stupid was that ! Surely we have enough versions with the fondly remembered Zeffirelli and Baz's.
It had the usual comments re Douglas Booth - he was prettier than Juliet, like his Pip in that recent Great Expectations, being more eyecatching than that ordindary looking Estella.
The Lord's Titanic mini-series from last year was a resounding flop too, the first episode was quite enough for me.
I find it all very fascinating. it never strives for great gestures or art, but it is quite entertaining.
The DOG BUTT returned in episode three!!!
The 'new' opening looked like the Gorey opening of PBS's Mystery.
[Actually is was the cover I missed seeing measured (and I believe it is an armorial plate in the Royal Doulton pattern Chantilly)].
I like the dog, Athena?
Isis. But how many years have passed since the first season?
It started 1912 and they're now in 1922 or 1923 now.
I LOVE Harriet Jones.
Harriet Jones certianly holds her own with Maggie Smith. Their scenes this week were wonderful.
RE: Matthew's Letter/Will
I don't think he left her the estate as such, I think what he left her was his personal estate, not Downton. Remember prior to finding the letter, it was assumed Matthew died intestate so everything would be held in trust for George - with Lord Grantham looking to act as sole trustee. I think the letter left Mary as trustee for their child should he die early (he wrote it knowing she was pregnant before leaving for Scotland) and his personal estate (not the entailed estate) went to Mary.
[quote]It started 1912 and they're
it started directly before the first world war.
HArriet Jones shines in this series. this is why I love Downton
Lady Edith should have closed her legs to married mens!
It started in 1912, just a few days after the Titanic sank.
Isabel and Edith look related.
They look like typical British Horses.
I want her to pull out an ID and say
Isobel Crawley, grandmother to the heir.
Roas is a little tramp
Edith a whore
Mary a tart
Rosamund an old hag
Dowager is dying of pox
Cora is dumb
Anna is fucked up
Robert is alive. Matthew never owned the "entailed" estate. Matthew and Mary's child is Robert's heir: the Grantham legacy.
Inheritance requires a decedent.
Presumably, when he invested he was granted some separate interest that didn't become part of the entail, to leave Mary.
He's in America now getting sucked off, maybe by Thomas
What's up with the E names?
When is Eliza coming?
OMG, Mary is actually becoming human!
Branson is getting fatter and fatter.
This season was such a letdown.
So are Branson and Bates both gay in real life? Yes, Branson is gaining weight...
Who is the casts this show? Branson, Mary's almost boyfriend, the pig guy and the late rapist ALL LOOK ALIKE.
I did like Lord Merton in a hot daddy way. I liked him even more when he gave the larger flower arrangement to Harriet Jones.
The nasty crack about being invited to tea was priceless as was the reply. I actually LOL.
Should be - who is it that casts this show?
In every interview the guy who plays Thomas makes a sexual crack about the guy who plays Tom Branson. In some of them they are together, joking around. In one, the guy who plays Thomas spoke about Branson's pecks being the real attraction to the show. I think those two are fucking each other regularly.
r199 it seems Rob, who plays gay evil Thomas is straight and married in real life while Branson who is straight in the show seems to be gay in reality.
Rob was on a tv interview a few days ago (Jonathan Ross show) and was discussing his gay kiss scene with that footman - apparantly his wife turned to him and said "you never kiss me like that" !
Thanks R200. I think Branson is hot as fuck.
It seems that Thomas displeased his lordship whilst in the colonies...
Good Heavens, Edith, a back alley abortion? Have you not sought out other options?
Pick a staircase my girl, and fling yourself down posthaste.
Given the delicate nature of your mothers' womb, a simple bath may suffice. Or did O'Brien take her bar of soap with her to America?
Thomas obviously had lots of fun in New York... maybe Cora's brother? New York gay clubs? Baths?
I wonder where gay men went in those days to have some fun.
I was a bit disappointed that the most exciting moment of season 4 happened off-screen. Do we think that Mr. Bates offed the valet Mr. Green who raped his wife or did he arrange for one of his friends from his prison days to do the deed and leave him in the clear?
I was also disappointed in the lack of Thomas scenes this year. They make this big deal about his gay role, yet in the 4 seasons the show has been on he has had maybe one episode that revolves around his sexuality. Are we to believe that Thomas is content to just spend his days scheming with the lady's maids acquiring gossip about his employers when he could be having relationships outside the house?
[quote]I wonder where gay men went in those days to have some fun.
Madonna concert at the local Vaudeville ?
I thought Shirley MacLaine was coming back as Lady Cora's mom and Paul Giamatti was to show up as Cora's brother this season. Is this only for the Christmas show?
[quote]Madonna concert at the local Vaudeville ?
At that stage of her career she totally ripped off Lily Langtree at the Palace. Lovely Bristols, though.
I think in the real world, a strapping young gay like Thomas would have gone and found employment in London, which wouldn't have been that difficult, so he could be around other gay men and have a social life.
Rose's unfortunate paramour was HOT. Too bad that didn't get any juicier.
>> Rose's unfortunate paramour was HOT. Too bad that didn't get any juicier.
Too bad he couldn't act.
yes Series 4 was rather a downer, not enough Thomas and of course he had not much to do now that O'Brien has gone too. There must be some outlets up there for him to have sex or cruise around...
Sourpuss McLaine is back for the next Christmas special with Giamatti, and I am pleased to say also veteran British actor James Fox - who was hot in the 60s (The Servant, The Chase, King Rat, Performance, Isadora, Duffy, etc) and is now a respected elder thesbian. I saw him earlier this year at a screening of The Servant to mark its release on Blu-ray, and he and co-stars Sarah Miles and Wendy Craig were there to talk about it afterwards - how often does that happen, actors discussing a movie of theirs 50 years later?
James will obviously be 'upstairs' - now if they could fit in a role for Sarah Miles as well, she would be perfect as a disreputable grand dame acquaintance of the Dowager Dame Maggie.
That must have been great to see Fox, wacky Sarah Miles and Wendy Craig talking about their film 50 years later. They are still going in their 70s.
James was simply divine as Jimmy in Thoroughly Modern Millie, doing the tapioca with Julie Andrews. Love it.
James Fox was Foxy in drag in Thoroughly Modern Millie.
A real beauty.
I liked this season better than the third. Matthew's departure made Mary and Isabelle into more interesting characters. He'd become so dull, it was really time for him to go.
Thomas spent the whole season twirling his moustache with no actual agenda, he was just boring. Three seasons of supposed character growth for this?
I'm surprised how many loose ends there were by the end. It didn't feel like a complete season.
I like Molesley's interaction with what's her face. I hope a romance blossoms there. It seems very sweet and genuine. Branson's new girlfriend seems fun. Bringing back William's father for a moment was a nice touch. I think it was Mrs. Hughes who killed the valet. Bates going to York seems like a red herring. At least I think it would be more fun if that were true. Don't fuck with Mrs Hughes.
Allen Leech, the actor who plays Branson, whom we think is gay in real life, reveals in a Q&A quiz in one of today's free downmarket UK papers (Metro) that he shares a house with 4 Irish guys in North London - what goes on there one wonders, he could surely afford a place of his own ???
This actually was a VERY GOOD season. Guy they need more episodes in them. I didn't realize Sunday was the finale! The US audience will be pleasantly surprised - at the end I was like Matthew who?
THey did a very nice job.
 Branson and the other valet who is hot gained weight this season. :( You have some time off, work it fellas.
I like them a bit chunky
[quote]s this only for the Christmas show?
[quote]Too bad he couldn't act.
too bad he couldn't sing that nicely
[quote] I think it was Mrs. Hughes who killed the valet. Bates going to York seems like a red herring.
YIKES, maybe it was that strumpet Lady Rose!! Yegads!