Does anyone here read slash fiction as a guilty pleasure?
I do! Some of it is so bad it's funny. All the fangurls have the same writing style (heavy on the purple prose and romance novel cliches). And some of the pairings are downright bizarre - there was one about Jerry Orbach and Sam Waterston from Law and Order! Seriously, who the hell would find that sexy?
I discovered it 7 years ago (googling for Kirk&Spock because I`ve heard the rumors before)and I was delighted with the weirdnes of the idea but now I check it out only once in a blue moon-for me at least ,novelty lasted only so long. DL will be quick to associate it with fraus but it`s written more by teenage girls and they can make much weirder pairings than the one you mentioned. BTW do you mean literally Orbach/Waterson-which i haven`t found-or Briscoe/McCoy (I prefer Briscoe/Logan)? Some girls mention `subversion` as their motivation,but I`d say it`s the 12-year`s old idea of subversion...Also I`ve noticed the small but growing portion of Slash written by gay men is more focused on sex than on romance(no comment).Even more weird is RPS-Real Person Slash-hello Prancing Ponies!
I do - admittedly, the majority of it is crap and badly-written, but if you can find a way to sort through it (through recommendations or some of the better sites that let you sort and filter) and find the occasional gem, well... it's basically free online books. Maybe I wouldn't read as much if there were a healthy and mature market for LGBT genre fiction, but the truth is a lot of the published stuff you find in bookstores or on Amazon (especially in the "romance" category) is basically the same - just as badly written, sometimes by authors who write fan-fiction on the side.
I realize that it's mainly written by women for women, but hey, so is a lot of classic literature I enjoy (Austen, Bronte, etc.). And I don't find the concept of running with TV-show / book / movie characters and writing original stories about them to be odd - writers and artists have been doing it for millennia (after all, the Aeneid is a fan-fiction of the Iliad, and all classical paintings are fan-art of the Bible).
I first got into slash with "Merlin", and now I read the occasional "Teen Wolf" (Stiles / Derek) and "Supernatural (Castiel / Dean) story, many of which are novel-length, and a few of which were surprisingly good and well-written. Sometimes the porn is hot, but more often than not I enjoy the stories that feature good plots (many of which are more compelling and make more sense than their source material - I'm looking at you, Teen Wolf), mysteries, romance, etc. - just like if I were in a library and wanted a "beach read" to pass the time.
I'm crazy about it, OP, and I'd never admit it anywhere but here. Most of it is hysterically bad, but I've found that some of it is pretty entertaining when judged by the "something to read for free" scale. I especially enjoy what they call the "AU" (alternate universe) stories, wherein to use your example, it's Jerry Orbach and Sam Watterson in love but one's a vampire and the other's a werewolf, or they're on Star Trek, or living after the zombie apocalypse. Some of what these girls come up with is pretty entertaining, though I suspect some of them are just lifting plots from drugstore paperbacks and inserting their crushes into them.
I've written about this on past slash fiction threads, but my all-time favorite is a granny who has written a saga about her favorite TV slash couple that makes War and Peace look like a haiku. She got them hooked up in the first chapters and continues to chronicle their domestic bliss in excruciating detail. They have the same adventures as on the TV show, but then we get to hear about every meal, every trip to the supermarket, all the housecleaning and yardwork, and above all, every second of preparation for Thanksgiving and Christmas. Their lives revolve around visits from "Mom" and they sit around and cry for a week after she goes home. And if they cook something regularly, sometimes we even get the recipe! It's my favorite bedtime reading, and once I reach the end I start right over from the beginning. It's sick just how happy her obsession makes me.
On the other end of that spectrum is an obviously disturbed young woman who writes the same short story over and over again. The plot in brief, again substituting OP's example for the actual slash couple: "Jerry Orbach runs into Sam Watterson's office to tell him the world's on fire. Sam knows because he is the one who did it. Sam is actually Satan and is murdering the entire population except for Jerry, his true love, who will rule Hell by Sam's side. Jerry is sad for his lost family and friends, but thrilled to spend eternity as Sam's concubine. THE END." Sometimes she scales it down and Sam is merely a serial killer or a monster of some sort, but the basic plot remains.
I wish I could link the actual stories so I could share the joy, but someone would inevitably troll the authors and spoil the fun. The actual slash boards are unctuously supportive, but I'd love to find a place that discusses them in a more DLish fashion.
By the way, the site I spend the most time on is "Archive of Our Own" (known as AO3), which has a huge collection of stories from various fandoms, and most importantly lets you search and sort through stories by pairings, descriptive tags (e.g., to use R3's example, "Alternate Universe - High School"), publication dates, and "kudos" (the equivalent of likes or thumbs up on a story).
Find a fandom that interests you, sort all the stories by kudos (with most kudos first), and delve in - some stories have been read by hundreds of thousands of readers and given thousands of kudos. Admittedly, the sites' readership tastes tends toward the romantic / first love / sappy domestic bliss variety (often termed "fluff"), but stories with a lot of kudos will usually be fairly well-written (and maybe a little hot).
Co-signing R4's AO3 recommendation. It's the easiest site to navigate and where you'll find the best quality stories. However, if you want to read the insanely bad stuff, you're better off at FanFiction.net. They have recently started frowning on slash pairings, but people still manage to sneak it in regularly.
"Even more weird is RPS-Real Person Slash-hello Prancing Ponies!"
Real Person Slash is soooo strange. I wonder if the real people featured in the stories ever stumble across them on the internet and get weirded out by reading erotic stories about themselves.
Yes. DC Comics. I like the Superboy / Tim Drake stuff, though I don't like it when Tim is made uber-feminine. He's supposed to be Robin for god's sake!
R3, re your all time favorite(the `granny`-written one) can you reveal what couple is it concretely,maybe even provide a link or at least name a site in question? I`m intrigued.
I'm dying to share it with someone, R8, but as I said upthread, I'd be crushed if someone from here trolled the author. Besides ruining my fun, I'm certain it would hurt her feelings.
She posts her stories on FanFiction.net. The first story in the series has the word "life" in the title. Along with the details I've already given, that should point you in the right direction. You'll know it when you see it. Please come back and obsess with me if you're so inclined.
Yes, I admit I read slash. But, slash fics run the spectrum from very professional and well written to just utterly HORRIBLE crap written by teen-age girls. You have to sift through the shit to find the gold.
One of the most beautiful slash fics I ever read was a LOTR story that involved Gandalf / Legolas. Some of the worst were about One Direction having orgies with each other.
There IS good slash out there. You just need to be patient.
[quote] but the truth is a lot of the published stuff you find in bookstores or on Amazon (especially in the "romance" category) is basically the same - just as badly written, sometimes by authors who write fan-fiction on the side.
God, this is so true. I wish published GLBT fiction was half as good as some of the most mediocre fanfiction stories I've read on the internet. The sad truth is that I have read more genuinely well-written and interesting fanfictions than I have published gay fiction - and not for lack of trying with the latter.
Love this discussion and love good fan fic.
One of the best, near professional fan fic, is done by an author named Telanu, who runs the Rag and Bone web site.
She's written m/m about Harry Potter and Snape and f/f about Miranda and Andrea from Devil Wears Prada (called Truth and Measure) that is the best fan fiction you'll find anywhere. Pro level stuff.
There was also a woman cop with the handle Snuffy that wrote some Rizzoli and Isles f/f that is very good.
[quote]Some of the worst were about One Direction having orgies with each other.
I must have missed those.
I did make it through most of one, called Room 317, but it was hardly sex-filled. Harry and Louis didn't even J/O each other until Chapter 17. That was the problem--the damn thing seemed as long as Gone with the Wind.
The writing was better than I'd expected but it had a morbid tone: The title refers to a hospital room.
As far as the sex scenes, they were of the Jackie Collins/Shirley Conran variety:
Harry doubled his pace, pressing his tongue around the head every so often and reached out, with one hand, to fondle Louis’s balls. That’s all it took and, with a sharp cry of warning, Louis’s hands tightened painfully in his hair as he spurted hotly into Harry’s mouth.
Harry kept sucking until Louis was finished.
When the last drop had been rung from him, Louis collapsed back against the door, panting and sagging a little after the orgasm, Harry sat back and looked up at his boyfriend with hooded eyes. Like the pro he was becoming, he stared Louis right in the eye and very deliberately… swallowed.
TMZ`s got nothing on these girls.
Does anyone know where to find some decent "Game of Thronse" slashfic?
I've been reading slash fic since the 1990's. I go thru phases with pairings, getting into one for a few months and reading dozens of stories before switching to another fandom. I periodically return to Harry/Draco, Eminem, bandom, Miguel /Ryan (oz), Vinnie/Sonny (wiseguy), etc.
The most hilarious thing is how these writers will mine from long ago cancelled shows, bands that have split and forgotten movies.
One of the most bizarre and hot pairings I've read was Eminem/Krychek (xfiles). Dont know where that writer came up with that pairing.
I've read a lot of Janeway/7 of 9 fanfic. Most of it is of the "Plot? What Plot?" variety, or it's obvious that the writer doesn't have a clue about lesbian sex. But there are some very good writers too, e.g., Gina Dartt and Beachbum.
if anyone is interested in HBO Oz ..here is a sexy Toby Beecher/Chris Keller fanfic written by an actual gay man.
I used to write slash, waaay back in the 90's.I know I'm old. My fandom was the X-files and my favorite pairing was Mulder/Krycek. I loved those boys. Back then you dared not admit that you were a guy writing and I had quite a girly pseudonym.Things were so different then. I had no computer and I had to use the one in the college library and I had about 60 minutes max to hack out a story. And sometimes the fanzines were still printed! I stopped writing years ago, but it's nice that slash has become so mainstream.
I've read some very, very, very good fanfiction (better quality, in fact, than some published m/m stories.)
But there's also dreadful, dreadful stuff. Poorly written, and don't get me started on the spelling and grammar!
I would never diss fanfiction, though, because there's some damn good stuff out there.
Supernatural fanfiction written in the years spanning 2007 to about early 2011 is really great stuff. The show is aging now and the stories are dropping in quality. You come across the odd gem, but most Spn stories written these days is now a waste of time.
I noticed the same with X-files fiction; the early years were the best. Stories written during, and set during the latter years of the X-files are substandard.
Some fanfiction authors are very talented. They're not all in the EL James category.
It's criminal that that woman is worth $10 million or whatever it is.
Bump for more shashy goodness.
I get all the slash I need from this Twitter feed. The excerpts are hilarious.
I've been reading it for years, since when 'zines' were hard copy, since the early days of Kirk/Spock. Now it can be found on line. My latest is Monkees for some odd reason.
Never cared for slash stuff. However there was one story at Nifty (which I loved when I was younger) that I truly found touching and hot, and extremely well-written. I didn't realize it was Starsky & Hutch fanfic until at some later point when I was trying to find more stories from the author. I didn't know that much about slash stuff at that point and was very surprised to find out the author was a woman.
For some reason I haven't jumped into the fanfic world even though I've read hundreds or probably thousands of Nifty stories.
Always liked Area 52 for Stargate slash.
I posted earlier in this thread, but yeah, still a hobby, and still a good source of free quality reading material if you know where to look for it and can filter through all the badly-written stuff. Honestly, bless the writers who put in all the time and effort to provide hours of reading entertainment to others at no cost.
Slash and fanfiction have definitely become more mainstream, to the point where "journalists" will actually bring it up in articles and directly with actors / writers, which I think is a bit gauche. Their usual take is "Isn't it so weird / creepy that these girls write X-rated stuff about your characters?!" It's usually awkward and uncomfortable, and if the actors / writers say something dismissive or mean there's a backlash (I think there was some incident with the "Teen Wolf" actors).
The best response by far, though, was given by Chris Pratt when someone brought up Marvel fanfiction with him - kudos to him for a funny response (and for not stepping on any fans' toes).
[quote]Real Person Slash is soooo strange. I wonder if the real people featured in the stories ever stumble across them on the internet and get weirded out by reading erotic stories about themselves.
Stumble across them? LOL. Fics featuring RP as the main characters are tweeted to them regularly. They pretend not to read them, but of course they do. How can they not?
What I find fascinating about RP slash is how the authors take real life events and spin them into stories. Example: two boy banders on tour do an interview together where they appear to flirt with each other. The next day/week there will be an explosion of slashfics about the exchange and how it led to a hot hook up back stage. In the sappy/fluffy ones their affair leads ultimately to marriage and babies.
Even weirder now is that real celebs are participating in a feedback loop by providing "prompts" for fic writers. Boy banders flirt with each other on purpose knowing the affect it will have. It's not seen as a negative thing. Quite the opposite. It raises their profile with young fans. In other words, if you don't have any slash fic out there, you better grab your bandmate's ass and suck his face at the next few concerts. Once those clips get out on YouTube, it's off to the races.
Yes, and I love it. My favorites are Battlestar Galactica, Harry Potter, LOTR, and older X-Files.
I love slash fan fic. I was a big J/7er back in the day. I don't read as much now, but every so often I'll watch a TV show and the UST between certain characters (I'm looking at you Once upon a time) will inspire me to search for some fan fic.
I love Crackfic! the most it's highly entertaining when done well.
You haven't lived till you've read Goofus and Gallant fan fiction.
If you want to read some strange stuff, find slash fiction with real actors having sex with the characters they play. Years ago, there was a hot one featuring David Duchovney bring interviewed by Agent Fox Mulder which of course resulted in sex.
Kirk/Spock fan fic has been around as long as the internet, that's where the term Slash came from - as in Kirk SLASH Spock.
Slash used to be hot, there's a real art to it that some people mastered.
But then legions of barely literate fan girls unleashed their ovarian garbage over any over-hyped actor and as a result, shitting writing like 50 Shades of Gray and Twilight became so big. It spawned a generation of idiots who have no concept of what makes a good story.
"But then legions of barely literate fan girls unleashed their ovarian garbage over any over-hyped actor and as a result, shitting writing like 50 Shades of Gray and Twilight became so big"
Slash fiction was around long before Twilight
Yes indeedy! Started with LOTR (Aragorn and Borimir) and lately I've really been enjoying the SPN fanfic on AO3. Like previous posters have stated some of the stories are quite good. It's such a big deal that fanfic was actually referenced in a couple scripts for the show. Jensen and Jared have been pretty good sports about it.
I only read slash fiction about Robert MacNeil and Jim Lehrer, or David Brinkley and Chet Huntley.
"And some of the pairings are downright "
Well, some of the fanfic writers will "challenge" each other with bizarre pairings - Like Bush/Cheney, Crow/Tom Servo, etc. They're not meant to be hot, although you never know.
WTH is up with DL today?
[quote]Well, some of the fanfic writers will "challenge" each other with bizarre pairings - Like Bush/Cheney, Crow/Tom Servo, etc. They're not meant to be hot, although you never know.
Crow and Tom Servo? NOOOOOOOO!!!
I would love to see a Crow and Tom Servo pairing, as written by Joel Hodgson.
It's really interesting from a sociological perspective to see which pairings are popular and the repeated themes that get brought up, and how those relate to female sexuality and romantic ideals.
Like, one of the more popular slash pairings at the moment is Steve Rogers / Bucky Barnes (otherwise known as Captain America / The Winter Soldier) - if you watched Captain America 2, you would understand how homoerotic that movie was. The character of Bucky, in both the comics and the movies, has undergone severe trauma from losing his arm and being tortured and brainwashed for several decades, so a lot of stories focus on how Steve Rogers helps him recover and heal.
And someone brought up the other day that maybe one reason this particular pairing / dynamic is so popular (besides the actors being very hot, and all the homoerotic tension on screen) is because it's similar to a narrative about a woman facing rape trauma or sexual abuse, and finding a lover who helps her recover, and that might be therapeutic for some people to write or read about.
I mean, not all slash pairings are about replacing female characters with male stand-ins - some are just about interesting relationship dynamics between men (or women) - but I thought that was an insightful take on what I had just thought of as two comic book super-heroes who looked like they might want to have sex.
Oh. How dull. I thought there finally was a thread for me.
These fan girl types think gay men are just women with a penis, hence the "sensitive gay man" fiction. All that has to be done is to slot whatever actor the media is hyping as HAWT.
Sometimes the fiction can extend the boundaries of the show. "Hannibal"'s creator says the main characters love each other (twisted though it might be). The actors say the characters love each other. But the show is on American network TV so no touching. The fanfic fills in the gap.
I read SPN, real and fictional, as well.
Some of the best stories I have read, though, are from the Smallville world.
Beautiful, novel-length, epic stories between Clark and Lex.
I also enjoy Gibbs/DiNozzo, Harry/Draco and back in the day I read
Anakin/Obi-Wan and Captain Jack/Will Turner.
Hehe, good times.
aint dat shit for da womenz?
Gossip Girl slash, particularly Chuck and Dan.
What are some good archives for hot slash fiction?
There's a lot of good slash fiction around Queer As Folk which may not be literal slash since the characters were already gay.
A lot of it is really awful because the fraus don't get gay men or even where the parts go, but a lot of it is actually pretty good
R50, Archive of Our Own (AO3) is probably the largest and best-organized site.
One of the best One Direction fics is a Louis/Harry AU, These Inconvenient Fireworks or "TIF", try to find it. I second ao3, best site for a variety, and great search function.
R53, have you tried DIAF?
But wait, let me get the popcorn popped first.
Or search for kinkmeme + any fandom if you're mostly looking for explicit slash.
I posted before when this thread started. Since then I got into the Bucky Barnes/Steve Rogers pairing (post release of Captain America).
I'm a Marvel Comics fan who never read MCU slash until now. I think the 'Stucky' pairing is also popular for a variety of reasons. It fits a lot of fantasies: 1. ugly duckling (Steve) becomes beautiful swan and best friend (Bucky) loved him even when he was ugly. 2. Two kids who only had one another become two adults who can only be understood by the other (i.e. both men out of time-'wake up' after 70 years 'gone'). 3. Love strong enough to break 70 years of brainwashing. 4. Bad boy/good boy. Lastly, the comics also had homoerotic subtext between Bucky and Steve thus some old school fans think it's just right to explore something that has been latent throughout the CA MC universe.
AO3 has some really great stuff for this pairing and others.
As an old school fan I also remember the zines and egroups. I was so glad when everything went to livejournal b/c I could never deal with the shit posted on fanfiction.net. Now glad to have AO3. At least the kudos and tags make things easier.
[quote]Slash fiction was around long before Twilight
Duh R36 Did you read the whole post at R35 or just the last line?
Reading comprehension isn't your strong point, better stick to fan fiction, it's more your speed.
Re: Bucky/Steve. The video illustrates the themes mentioned in R56 as to reasons the pairing is popular (almost forgot the duality/mirroring of one another as another fantasy theme).
Re: Twilight. Never understood that fandom at all. The book itself was badly written fanfic that you'd expect from an early HP fanfic writer.
Quite possibly THE most bizarre of fanfic genres--NASCAR slash. If you ever thought,
"I wonder what would happen if Clint Bowyer and Kevin Harvick decided to fuck each other?",
today is your lucky day. Bonus: Tony Stewart porn.
The REALLY bizarre stuff is mpreg (male pregnancy) fiction which is exactly what it sounds like. For some reason, it usually involves superheroes such as Batman and Superman.
It seems like a lot of the women who used to write slash fiction have migrated into self-published erotic ebooks. There are hundreds of Kindle novellas out there, a lot of it written by women who either have no idea what the mechanics of male/male sex are, or who are kind of grossed out by it.
Most of it is utter dross, but there are a few decent authors out there.
The Voice of the Night
The mechanics of M/M sex aren't the only problem. Even worse is all the sappy, angsty romance and endless talk, talk TALK. They put words in the mouths of men that they would NEVER utter.
R62, see R45 for possible enlightenment.
Well, Superman is an alien, R60.
God knows what his insides look like.
Back in the day I read Formula 1 slash as well. Raikkonen and Schumi were hot. Some stories even had both Schumacher bros.
R61, I even heard that after the success of "50 Shades of Grey" some of the more enterprising publishers were actively seeking out talented fan-fiction and slash-writers to see if they wanted to publish their most popular stories - many of which have already been read by hundreds of thousands of people - after changing all the characters and settings so they no longer infringed the copyrights of the original works. I think some were tempted (and removed their works from the Internet), but others didn't want to sell out, since it's against the spirit of fandom and they weren't writing for the money.
If I read slash nowadays it's usually Bucky / Steve, since that has a lot of interesting stories, though I'm dubious as to whether these author's depictions of PTSD are accurate. I used to really be into Stiles / Derek from Teen Wolf, but that show has become so awful, and the characters haven't talked to each other or even been in the same room for so long, that I've lost all interest. I miss shows like "Merlin" which reliably served slash and homoerotic tension every week, and the finale of which was perhaps one of the most epic love stories between men shown on television.
I enjoy reading slash fics and would never admit it outside of DL as it's my guilty pleasure. I've come across some weird fiction on the net like South Park slash and RPF slash involving various athletes and singers. Funny as hell but kinda creepy.
[quote]If you want to read some strange stuff, find slash fiction with real actors having sex with the characters they play. Years ago, there was a hot one featuring David Duchovney bring interviewed by Agent Fox Mulder which of course resulted in sex.
Anything with D. Duchovney OR Agent Mulder would be hot.
I loved Mulder/Krycek fan fiction! God, that was such a long time ago.
I'm hopeful some of the DL slash lovers can shed some light on a few things that I keep encountering in the slash genres I follow that I can't figure out on my own. It's possible that some of these aren't really slash issues, but just me being behind the times on pop culture and young people. Or just me being a dick.
* When you or people you know are playfully teasing each other, do any of you stick your tongues out at each other? This wouldn't register with me if I saw it in a story once or twice, but I've read it literally dozens of times from various authors and pairings. I can't remember the last time I saw an adult do this, so I always find it jarring when I come across it in a story.
* In one of the pairings I follow, it seems that one of the most shameful and emasculating things that can happen to a guy is to be "the little spoon." Again, I've read this over and over from different authors in that pairing, and I've never heard of it before in any media or real-life interaction. My best guess is that it's a joke from some movie or TV show I haven't seen. Is this really a thing? Has anyone ever really thought, "oh God, someone's holding me in bed, I'll never live this down!"?
* Yesterday I read the third story in as many different pairings where a character is portrayed as struggling with a drug habit by snorting two fat rails of cocaine, having several minutes of "Go Ask Alice" style psychedelic hallucinations, then passing out unconscious for several hours. Now, I find it endearing that the young authors in question aren't knowledgeable on recreational drugs, but I don't get why no one tells them that's not how coke works. Even though the culture on the boards is "all praise all the time," it almost seems unkind to let them publish something so inaccurate for the world to read. Is it similar to when you tell someone discreetly they have spinach in their teeth and some people think you're rude for pointing it out?
* Somewhat related, I've recently noticed an author on AO3 posting one chapter of a rather long story every few days. I know it's a common practice for some people to post the chapters as they write them; however, I happen to know this particular story is already complete because I read the whole thing on the author's LiveJournal site a couple of years ago. She throws in author's notes promising to get the latest chapters up just as soon as she can, and thanks SO much to all of her devoted readers for sticking with her, yadda yadda. I can't be the only person on the internet who's noticed this, so why doesn't anyone just say, "you can read the whole thing on her LiveJournal if you don't want to wait"? Is it such a taboo to say anything slightly negative that everyone would rather just pretend that she's not pulling a stunt?
I understand the short answer to any of these is "you just don't get it." But if anyone can help me wrap my mind around them, I'd appreciate it.
I don't know the answer to all your questions R70, but ever since the advent of Tumblr, fanfiction has taken a... well, tumble.
A lot of it is written by teens. No life experience in ANYTHING - not to mention the poor spelling and grammar. (But it's all about the "feels" and how many ridiculous sex scenes you can come up with.)
Utter crap and not worth the time.
One of my favorite slash subjects is Miami Vice because Don Johnson's character is hot as fuck. Interesting enough, Crockett/Castillo is even more popular than Crockett/Tubbs, because Castillo is such an intense character in contrast to Sonny's explosiveness. But Sonny is always the bottom.
I read tons of Sherlock slash
Where do you find that, R73?
I've been watching Miami Vice repeats on El Ray and I'd forgotten how hot Don Johnson was.
[quote]* When you or people you know are playfully teasing each other, do any of you stick your tongues out at each other? This wouldn't register with me if I saw it in a story once or twice, but I've read it literally dozens of times from various authors and pairings. I can't remember the last time I saw an adult do this, so I always find it jarring when I come across it in a story.
I totally admit to reading slash. It is a guilty pleasure. I've read quite a bit in different pairings, and one thing that strikes me is that if you read enough of one pairing, it seems like writers begin to 'copy' each other. Ie the same things begin to crop up in more and fics until it becomes some sort of warped canon. That can be anything, including how some people apparently kiss each other. I don't think it's even a conscious thing - you read enough of it, it comes more easily to mind when you are writing.
[quote]* Yesterday I read the third story in as many different pairings where a character is portrayed as struggling with a drug habit by snorting two fat rails of cocaine, having several minutes of "Go Ask Alice" style psychedelic hallucinations, then passing out unconscious for several hours. Now, I find it endearing that the young authors in question aren't knowledgeable on recreational drugs, but I don't get why no one tells them that's not how coke works. Even though the culture on the boards is "all praise all the time," it almost seems unkind to let them publish something so inaccurate for the world to read. Is it similar to when you tell someone discreetly they have spinach in their teeth and some people think you're rude for pointing it out?
There are times when I read fics and things are so obviously wrong that I give up. It seems to me that good writers take the time to research and ask questions - particularly of things they know nothing about. The lazy ones copy what others have done or take their info from TV and movies. Every now and again I come across someone pointing out things, and the reaction from the author can be mixed - a 'thank you' and a prompt change, or it's ignored, or the author takes umbrage and goes on the offensive. I think as well that sometimes, people are so desperate for fics of their 'OTP' (One True Pairing) or favorite or more unknown couples that they will literally take what they can get and encourage the author in hopes of getting more. There is also the chance that those reading have no idea that what they are reading is total crap.
[quote]* Somewhat related, I've recently noticed an author on AO3 posting one chapter of a rather long story every few days. I know it's a common practice for some people to post the chapters as they write them; however, I happen to know this particular story is already complete because I read the whole thing on the author's LiveJournal site a couple of years ago. She throws in author's notes promising to get the latest chapters up just as soon as she can, and thanks SO much to all of her devoted readers for sticking with her, yadda yadda. I can't be the only person on the internet who's noticed this, so why doesn't anyone just say, "you can read the whole thing on her LiveJournal if you don't want to wait"? Is it such a taboo to say anything slightly negative that everyone would rather just pretend that she's not pulling a stunt?
She wants kudos and comments. That's why she's not saying anything about her LJ and lying about how she's still writing it. Every now and again you come across a desperate author begging for kudos and comments, which is totally crass, but the more experienced know how to subtly coerce their audience to bring forth more lavish praise. It's the air they breathe. Also, people may not realize she's already posted it. I use Ao3 almost exclusively because it's easy to use and I can generally find what I want. I hate LJ, primarily because I have no idea how to use it.
Pick your poison, R75. You can search by show, pairing and rating level. Sherlock is fourth in the first column.
I love Sherlock these days. But in the old days I was LOTR Boramir/Aragorn, Aragorn/Legolas, Boramir/Legolas and Buffy, Spike/Angel, Spike/Xander and Angelus/anyone.
I find slashfic a lot of fun. But you're right. You have to hunt and peck to find decent stories.
The only slash fiction I found amusing was Goofus and Gallant slash. Wish it had been in Highlights when I sat endlessly in dentist and doctor offices as a kid. Google it!
Thanks for taking the time to write that detailed response, R78 (you too, R71). I guess the "little spoon" thing is another one that the reader/authors are copying from each other like you explained.
[quote]It seems to me that good writers take the time to research and ask questions - particularly of things they know nothing about. The lazy ones copy what others have done or take their info from TV and movies.
I'm always amazed when I read an author's intro to a story, let's say an AU about auto racing, where she disclaims, "yeah, I don't really know anything about auto racing or how cars work, but oh, well -- handwave! *giggle*" I can't get over someone being proud of doing a half-ass job on something. It makes me appreciate the writers who obviously do very meticulous research that much more.
[bold]Gallant is Aroused; Goofus is Horny[/bold]
Gallant wakes up embarrassed by the stain on the front of his pajama bottoms.
Goofus wakes up naked and jerks off.
Gallant carefully assembles a crisply starched outfit to convey gentility and breeding.
Goofus throws on his jeans with the hole in the crotch.
Gallant eats a well-balanced breakfast to get the day off to a good start.
Goofus skips breakfast because his friend Desperate always trades his Pop-Tarts for a blowjob.
Goofus' brash laughter disrupts bus stop conversation and makes him the center of attention.
Gallant watches silently with polite interest.
Goofus moons the bus driver.
Gallant firmly resists the temptation to reach out and smack Goofus' bottom.
Gallant passes out the homework in his first class.
Goofus misses first period because one of his hoodlum friends "scored" some "dope."
Between classes, Gallant waits by the sink rather than be sandwiched between two occupied urinals.
Goofus leans back to give Gallant a good look at his cock.
At lunch, Gallant takes an unoccupied seat.
Goofus tells Gallant to "scoot [his] ass" as he shoves his way onto the bench.
Goofus gropes Gallant's thigh under the table.
Gallant politely pretends not to notice.
Goofus gropes Gallant's crotch under the table.
Gallant tries to ignore his growing arousal.
Goofus starts to unzip Gallant's slacks under the table.
Gallant shoots milk out of his nose.
Goofus laughs and points.
Gallant apologizes for his rudeness.
Gallant reaches down to push Goofus' hand away.
Goofus rudely grabs Gallant's arm at the wrist.
Gallant resists, realizing that homosexual activity is inappropriate in the school lunchroom.
Goofus guides Gallant's hand to the hole in his jeans.
Goofus doesn't wear underwear.
Gallant realizes that Goofus doesn't wear underwear.
When the bell rings, Gallant jumps to his feet and rushes from the room, knocking over three people.
Goofus calmly gathers his things and walks smoothly out.
At football practice, Gallant is careful not to injure his fellow players.
Goofus repeatedly tackles Gallant roughly, leaving him covered in bruises.
After football practice, Gallant showers carefully, so that he smells only of soap and his fragrant shampoo.
Goofus, despite Gallant's having observed him wash particular body parts unusually thoroughly in the shower, continues to exude an intoxicating blend of sweat and testosterone.
After school, Gallant attends his debate club meeting.
Goofus goes to the principal's office for his private counseling session.
Gallant tells each member of the debate club he was glad of their attendance as the meeting breaks up.
Goofus is still in the principal's office.
Gallant hangs back to make certain everyone leaves okay.
Goofus is still in the principal's office.
Gallant wanders up and down the hall looking for trash to throw away.
Goofus is still in the principal's office.
Gallant offers to help the janitor clean the floors.
Goofus is still in the principal's office.
Gallant is told by the janitor to "get [his] faggot ass away from [the janitor]."
Goofus laughs, because he emerges from the principals office in time to hear this.
Gallant is shy as he thinks of ways to initiate conversation.
Goofus smirks and makes the other person begin.
Gallant asks if he can walk home with Goofus.
Goofus asks Gallant if he wants to fuck.
Gallant asks Goofus if he would be more comfortable at his own home or at Gallant's.
Goofus asks what's wrong with the school bathroom.
Gallant walks directly home from school.
Goofus walks directly to Gallant's home from school.
Gallant thoughtfully checks to see if his parents are home before initiating homosexual sex acts.
Goofus jumps Gallant in the living room.
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Gallant recognizes how hard his parents work to provide his clothing.
Goofus rips off Gallant's shirt, popping off the buttons.
Gallant understands the importance of an undershirt in projecting the proper image.
Goofus hates undershirts because they make it more difficult to get at Gallant's nipples.
Gallant wonders whether Goofus is also a virgin.
Goofus suspects he's landed a cherry.
Goofus grinds his hard cock against Gallant's.
Gallant is shocked at the delicious sensation of another boy's hardness sliding along his own, even through layers of clothing.
Gallant is startled by a noise and wants to move to his bedroom.
Goofus is willing to do whatever it takes to get the action moving again.
Gallant finds comfort in his familiar room when faced with unusual new situations.
Goofus hardly notices his surroundings.
Gallant tumbles back onto his bed as rough lips press against his own, forcing them open.
Goofus shoves Gallant back onto the bed and roughly forces his tongue into the other boy's mouth.
Gallant is surprised as Goofus softens and coaxes Gallant's tongue into his mouth.
Goofus bites Gallant's tongue.
Gallant fumbles for a conversational gambit when Goofus breaks the kiss.
Goofus fumbles with Gallant's belt.
Gallant is embarrassed when his erect member is exposed to another boy for the first time.
Goofus is shocked at Gallant's unexpected endowment.
Gallant chokes back a cry as Goofus' lips engulf his boyhood.
Goofus chokes on Gallant's mammoth dick.
Gallant is firmly committed to the principle of reciprocity.
Goofus is irritated when Gallant pulls him off of his cock.
Goofus springs free the moment Gallant gets his zipper down.
Gallant is mesmerized at the sight of Goofus' member.
Gallant is circumcised.
Goofus is not.
Gallant trembles at the feel of Goofus' tender skin against his fingertips.
Goofus trembles at a gentleness he has not experienced before.
Gallant fearfully lowers his head toward Goofus' sex.
Goofus watches Gallant coyly draw out the motion of his head.
Gallant tries to avoid unexpected shocks.
Goofus likes to grab guys' ears when they go down on him.
Gallant chokes and sputters around Goofus' thick manhood.
Goofus enjoys getting head.
Gallant thoughtfully covers his teeth with his lips while giving oral sex.
Goofus grunts at Gallant to "use [his] damn teeth, bitch!"
Gallant is relieved when he is finally able to come up for air.
Goofus is frustrated when Gallant pulls away from his dick.
Gallant stands up in order to fully remove his clothing.
Goofus is experienced at shedding his clothing while lying down.
Gallant stands awkwardly, uncertain what to do.
Goofus sits up, pulling Gallant toward him by his hips.
Goofus pulls off of Gallant's cock and jerks it with his hand.
Gallant luxuriates in the slippery feel of skin against skin.
Gallant wants for cues from his companion to see what he wants to do next.
Goofus falls back on the bed, pulling up his legs and wiggling his ass at Gallant.
Gallant hesitates, uncertain that Goofus wants what Gallant thinks he wants.
Goofus knows what he wants, and is determined to get it from Gallant.
Gallant is surprised that Goofus doesn't have a condom.
Goofus is surprised that Gallant has a condom.
Gallant fumbles as he clumsily attempts to place the condom on his member.
Goofus easily slips the condom onto Gallant.
Goofus leans back, pulling Gallant's hips against his own ass.
Gallant groans at the feel of his boyhood slipping against Goofus' anus and perineum.
Gallant politely asks Goofus if he is sure before pressing inwards.
Goofus is tired of hearing Gallant talk.
Gallant proceeds slowly during anal penetration, trying to get a feel for his partner's comfort zone.
Goofus likes anal sex rough, hot, and nasty.
Gallant develops a regular rhythm as he thrusts into Goofus.
Goofus writhes under Gallant's pounding.
Gallant loses control of his thrusts as he loses his inhibitions.
Goofus' eyes roll back into his head as Gallant becomes rougher and less controlled.
Gallant realizes that he is approaching release.
Goofus is incoherent, and realizes nothing.
Gallant considerately withdraws from his partner before ejaculating.
Goofus cries out, "Spray it on me!"
Gallant politely gives his friend a reach-around.
Goofus gets his rocks off and falls asleep.
Gallant worries about what will happen when his parents get home.
Goofus and Gallant sleep.
Bump, after ↑ that, just to chime in about how hot Nicholas Lea was as Krycek.
Now back to discussing Fred Flintstone/Barney Rubble sex fan fiction.
Challenge: Ken Cosgrove/ Bob Benson, from "Mad Men".
Or the John Deere Brit SLASH Nipple-Bris Martian Guy.
Or Coulson SLASH Ward, from "Agents Of SHIELD"
Or Tom Brady SLASH Payton Manning.
Tom Brady SLASH Jesse Palmer
Payton Manning SLASH Eli Manning
Morley Safer SLASH Steve Kroft
Mitch McConnell SLASH Harry Reid
Peter Dinklage SLASH Warwick Davis
R81 - some writers even add a 'disclaimer' of sorts to their fics - that they didn't bother to research, a sort of take it or leave it if you will. Unless the summary is particularly intriguing, I usually leave it. Some 'writers' (particularly on Ao3) are so eager to get their work up that don't bother to get it 'beta'd' (edited) as well - some writers don't need a beta, but boy oh boy, I fear for the future of our country when I read some of the absolute tosh people put out. Incomplete sentences (some seem totally unaware that there is such a thing as sentence structure), terrible grammar, typos for Africa, punctuation missing entirely or at least on its deathbed, poorly set out - and yet, they are often begging for comments or kudos. If you are lucky, the good that you can find makes up for the bad.
R82 - that's brilliant. I must have read 500 versions of that. The same story, different names.
[quote]typos for Africa
Good slash can be hot but finding it is tough - a lot more badly written crap.
Most fraus have no idea how gay sex works either but in the better stories they do.
Real Person is creepy because a lot of them actually believe the characters are doing it in real life.
What's confusing about it, R89? Would you like me to break it down? 'Typos' = short for typographical error. Google it if you don't understand. 'For Africa' = means to have an overabundance of something. Thus, the original sentence means that there can be a hell of a lot of typographical errors.
Ha, that Goofus / Gallant thing was pretty hilarious, but actually highlights something I like about a lot of slash fandom - it's very self-aware. A lot of authors / readers willingly admit that they enjoy self-indulgent guilty pleasure reading full of romance "tropes" - meet-cutes, unlikely scenarios that push people together, opposites attracting, two oblivious people believing hey have unrequited feelings for one another, etc. They also have fun challenging one another and coming up with the most bizarre pairings imaginable - not because they actually find the pairing appealing, but because they consider it a writing exercise to see how wacky they can get.
Like R88 mentioned, the Goofus / Gallant story is really a reflection of a standard romance template (both homosexual and heterosexual) - the prim, proper inexperienced virgin finding sexual release with the rougher, experienced "bad boy" who takes control. For some reason, lots of people like reading and seeing different versions of that story (both in slash fandom and in the general population), so slash authors gladly provide thousands of variations on it.
And yes, a lot of the writing out there is terrible, but hey, it's free, and we all have to start somewhere - I'm sure many famous authors wrote terrible crap when they were teenagers (or even as adults); the difference is they never put it on the Internet for public consumption. I generally rely either on the "kudos" system in AO3, or on their bookmark system - if you find an author you like, you can see other works that they've publicly bookmarked to read, and it works as a second-hand recommendation system for finding the better stuff out there.