When I was reading about him yesterday I couldn't help but think of how much he was like Pope JPI. Tho I think JPI got in trouble because of the Vatican Bank issues (or maybe because he wanted to sell the church's art work and empty the church coffers to help the poor?). I don't think homosexuality, birth control and abortion are on the same level as that. I don't think there will ever be another Pope who will admit that he wants to completely "clean house" after what happened to JPI
DL Papal Conspirtologist, level CT7
If Francis is attempting to "Anthony Quinn" the Church, then he's in for a rough ride. He can tweak little things here and there, but substantial changes? uh uh. I admire him for what he's been saying, but it's really just rearranging the furniture. He knows he's gotta' put asses in those pews, to up the weekly collections. Many will see him and his words as positive signs. Whatever! He's a damn sight better than the last two. If I were him, I'd sleep with one eye open. I wonder if he feels there is ANYone he can absolutely trust?
Good point R2. So far all he's done is talk. Will have to wait to see if there is any action behind his words.
R1, busted down to CT6
He can trust people who were with him in Argentina. His security is so lax they could have him assassinated rather than another messy papal suffocation.
This is why he is so accessible to the media. Letting in the sunlight to see what's in all those dark corners, lurking about.
Don't know, don't care.
R2, apparently at least you have one other poster in R3 who can mistake your lazy rote rambling for clarity of thought. But the imitation would be more convincing with a few less cliches.
It will be a long time, if ever. The real crooks don't care about morality. The statements he's making now are being well received by lay Catholics and will bring people back to church.
This week's pronouncement made me think of "Godfather III"
Maybe the cardinals at the Vatican should be more afraid of what Francis might do to them. He has connections to the Argentine military junta which became quite adept at making people disappear.
Pope attacks global economics for worshipping 'god of money'
The pope, who later celebrated Mass for some 300,000 people outside the city's cathedral, told them: "We don't want this globalised economic system which does us so much harm. Men and women have to be at the centre (of an economic system) as God wants, not money."
"It is not a problem of Italy and Europe ... It is the consequence of a world choice, of an economic system that brings about this tragedy, an economic system that has at its centre an idol which is called money," he said to the cheers of the crowd.
Francis, who as bishop of Buenos Aires sided with unemployed workers in their conflict with government austerity plans, ended his improvised speech with a prayer asking God to "give us work and teach us to fight for work"
At least money exists.
What a hypocrite. Then chip all the gold out of the Vatican and give it away, you old creep. You first.
Hopefully he isn't. What's that Peter the Roman prophecy thing again?
"What a hypocrite. Then chip all the gold out of the Vatican and give it away, you old creep. You first."
Well, it's not his to give away. And he has forsworn all trappings of his position, living in a small modest apartment (instead of the de facto Pope palace he could be in) and driving a shitty used car rather than be chauffeured around.
Sorry but compared to a lot of previous Popes, this one is putting his money where his mouth is.
Jesus said no hierarchical structures for spiritual knowledge. Screw these pedos. Vatican's EVIL!
He gave a great speech about people who are out of work and greedy corporations
Pope Francis Denounces Big Business' 'Idolatry Of Money' In Sardinia Address Offering Hope To Unemployed, Poor
Pope Francis denounced what he called big business's idolatry of money as he traveled Sunday to one of Italy's poorest regions to offer hope to the unemployed and entrepreneurs struggling to hang on. "Where there is no work, there is no dignity," he said.
Francis left aside his prepared remarks and spoke off the cuff to thousands of people in Sardinia's capital, telling them he knew well what it was like to suffer from financial crisis. He recalled that his Italian parents, who immigrated to Argentina before he was born, spoke about it often at home.
"My young father went to Argentina full of illusions of making it in America," a somber Francis told the crowd at the start of a daylong visit to the island. "And he suffered the terrible crisis of the 1930s. They lost everything. There was no work." He said it's easy for a priest to come and tell the poor to have courage, but that he really meant it. Amid shouts of "Lavoro! Lavoro!" (Work! Work!), Francis called for a dignified work for all.
Sardinia, known for its pristine beaches and swank vacation homes, has been particularly hard-hit by Italy's economic crisis, with businesses closing and more and more of the island's families forced to seek charity. The island's desperation made headlines last year when a coal miner, participating in an underground sit-in to protest the planned closure of the mine, slashed his wrists on television. Unemployment in Italy is at 12%, with youth unemployment a staggering 39.5%. In Sardinia and the rest of Italy's south and islands, the figures are even worse: Unemployment is nearing 20% with youth unemployment at 50%.
Francis told the Sardinians, some of whom wore hardhats from their defunct factory jobs, that the economic problems were the result of a global economic system "that has at its center an idol called money."
Francis has made reaching out to the poor and most marginal the priority of his pontificate. This is only his second visit to an Italian city outside Rome; the first was to the isolated island of Lampedusa, where thousands of migrants come ashore each year.Francis noted the similarity, saying both islands were places of immense suffering but also hope. "It's easy to say `don't lose hope,'" he said. "But to all of you who have work, and to those who don't, let me tell you: Don't let yourselves be robbed of hope."
Later, Francis celebrated Mass in the piazza outside the Sanctuary of Our Lady of Bonaria, the island's patron and namesake of Francis' native Buenos Aires. The pope is particularly devoted to the Madonna and wanted to make a pilgrimage to the shrine. After Mass, Francis met with the poor and some prisoners in the capital's cathedral, delivered a speech at the island's Catholic university and gave an off-the-cuff pep rally to young Sardinians gathered in a main square before returning to Rome.
He shared a personal detail with the kids, that Saturday had marked the 60th anniversary when he first felt the call to be a priest. "In all these years that have passed, I've had some successes, joys, but also years of failure, fragility and sin," he said. "Sixty years on the path of the Lord." In a sign that the exhausting day was starting to take its toll, Francis inadvertently slipped into his native Spanish in his final public remarks in Sardinia, which like many of Italy's regions has its own dialect. "Hah," he chuckled. "Even I'm speaking dialect here."
As we all know, the Catholic saints prophecised that this would be the very last Pope.
I've had the same thought OP. This Pope acts more like a pastor than a politician. Let's hope he can stay alive long enough to do some good work.
Why do you care?
Pope Francis comes with some heavy and disturbing baggage. Francis is on record stating that women are nothing more than the helpers of men, and are themselves unfit for political office. In a speech against Argentina presidential candidate Cristina Kirchner given in 2007, during the electoral campaign, then Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio said:
Women are naturally unfit for political office. Both the natural order and facts show us that the political being par excellence is male; the Scripture shows us that woman has always been the helper of man who thinks and does, but nothing more.
In addition to the blatant misogyny, Francis is also on record speaking out forcefully against laws granting marriage and adoption rights for gay men and lesbians. In a 2010 letter published in L’Osservatore Romano, he asserted that gay adoption is a form of discrimination against children, and claimed same sex marriage would “seriously damage the family.”
Francis even went so far as to suggest that the struggle for marriage equality is not simply a political struggle, but it is an attempt to "destroy God’s plan, a ‘move’ of the father of lies who seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God.”
I agree his days are likely numbered...
Was Pope JP1 murdered?
r27 Many believe he was. A super-short pontificate; mysterious death, with many conflicting pieces; and a quickie embalming and burial, sans autopsy. It wasn't possible for the Vatican to make it look any more sordid or suspicious.
Francis is just firing over the bows of the curia departments. In time he'll be replacing people, and then change will start. It can't last because of the nature of such institutions, but in his papacy, anyway, his dictates will be followed.
And he'll move fast because of his age. He knows his time of being on top of matters is relatively short.
He's a Jesuit, remember. A Jesuit for the first time has taken control of the Church, and he's not going to waste the opportunity. His choice of "Francis" carries the implicit echo of Francis Xavier, as well and Francis of Assisi. He wants souls for Christ, and he's blending the focus on simplicity and love of the poor with the evangelical zeal of the Jesuit missionaries. It's the only tactic the Church has left to infuse energy while not completely scaring off the right and left. But he's going to trim and cut and clear.
As for his murder, his staying in the guest house helps his chances. It leaves snipers/bombers or the unlikely poisoner. He also knows it won't matter, because if he lasts 3-5 years his imprint will be strong enough to ensure a like-minded head as a successor.
Remember, he was voted in by a large majority, which includes the curial cardinals. He's still JPII's boy himself. The changes will be structural and in matters of atmosphere, at least at first. But if he unexpectedly looks closer at the big issues, hew will act with the tactical intelligence of his order. (By the way, remember that JPII himself went after the Jesuits early on, to cut them down to size. This is their revenge!)
As for the ass calling for chiseling out the gold, one assumes that such clueless, spouting creatures are the ones who give nothing themselves to philanthropy. AT LEAST, through it all, the Church has been decent enough to recognize the importance of its many cultural treasures and to mostly protect them. That's one thing to say in its favor. additional to the considerable real charity it does support.
And I'm not Catholic. Because they'll never turn from the insanity of their absurd beliefs, no matter how much the support evolution and the existence of life on other planets (as they do.)
God what a freak. Not a Catholic but worships the Jesuits! Jesuits are just as stupid and evil as all the rest.
He's a propagandist. He is really a reformer who lied his way to the top by being a bigger bigot than anyone so he could be elevated to the papacy and tear it down? Only time will tell. One thing's sure: NATO spies did not install two Nazi collaborator popes to give up Catholic Fascism without a fight.
Oh dear, you're quite unhinged R30.
R30, Jesuits may be evil, but if you think they are stupid you know nothing about about Jesuits. They're the Delta Force of the Catholic Church.
Our current Holy Father will be Pope until the Lord decides to call him home. Only the Lord knows when that will be.