Only ten minutes in and my favorite character so far is dead. Dammit.
But it was effectively creepy.
Is it too scary for kids?
I dunno. It's sorta creepy, with a few mildly scary moments.
Second death only half an hour in... and it was yet another interesting character.
I don't like how they're killing all the INTERESTING people and good actors :-/
But it's pretty good so far, I have to admit.
Okay, aside the one highly contrived plot point there near the end (sunrise)... I loved it.
This is awesome.
Okay, yet another interesting character was killed off right at the end! That's THREE interesting characters in the first episode!
It won't last very long.
And why in the fuck must yet another American television character have an absurd, affected British accent?
Not everyone in early America sounded like a fucking Brit television tabloid reporter. Seriously, enough already.
Why are you here? Go away.
Finally Monday night TV to look forward since "Buffy the Vampire Slayer".
R7, did you miss the point where he was British, and came over and defected to work as a spy on the British for George Washington?
I thought it was a decent premiere. There is nothing else interesting to watch on Monday night so I will give it a try for a few weeks.
Liking it a lot so far.
Some cheesy dialogue, but meh. It's alright.
Pretty damn good pilot. I'm in for a season pass. Seemed a little silly at first, but great pacing and chemistry between the leads. Reminds me of early X-Files.
Looks good to me too. But it made me wonder when Grimm is coming back on.
I liked it! The guy is hot, the girl detective is cute and I hope they continue to kill copious guest stars every week.
Line of the night: "Can he hear us?"
It was creepy and completely not expecting that they tied the Apocalypse to this.
Will totally tune in for next week.
I liked it - the two leads are good, and I like their chemistry so far. I don't know which direction the show is going to take or if the overall season arc is going to be compelling or just a bunch of overwrought mythology / mish-mash, but if it can continue to build up a good relationship between Crane and Abby I'll continue to tune in.
I did think the mirror demon was legitimately creepy, especially being blurred out - one of the few instances where the show understood less is more (the other effects, including the machine-gun toting headless horseman and chain-throwing priest, were just silly)
Much better than I expected. I liked the humorous touches ("Put your hands on your..." "Can he hear us?")
But I'm worried it might become the next "The Following" and pile up on my DVR until I have to delete it.
The Headless Horseman! Finally someone who has a legitimate reason for not knowing Jack McFarland is gay!
I loved it. Sorry about the first character that got killed; I like him as an actor.
I like how Abbie found the sheriff's files and she found out that he believed her about that mysterious day in the woods with her sister.
Next week's episode looks good, too. Just hoping the damned baseball playoffs don't fuck up the viewing schedule for this show.
I stopped watching The Good Wife and TAR because of football overruns. For some reason, CBS believes that the US cannot EXIST without the full sixty minutes of 60 Minutes.
Yep R22. Those ridiculous, award winning, once genius, investigative NEWS shows. How dare them interrupt your "Good Wife" and such. I mean, don't they know you gals have limited time and need to move on to your Dancing with the Stars and the Kardashians?
Yeah. CBS must be full of poorly educated fools to think a few people in the country might actually want to see something still, though mildly intelligent.
Run along now. Your soaps will be starting soon and you've got that entire sack of Cheetos from Costco to get to.
R23 is a sabre-toothed gash-eating cunt of the highest magnitude. If you listen closely, you can hear her nibbling on her own toe jam and cackling softly at her perceived superiority. No one will cry when she gets bashed to death in a parking lot.
R24 is the same frau/fatty gaga fangurl gushing over the show and losing her friggen mind over missing out on frau TV shows for that 'icky' 60 Minutes.
Be gone cunt.
Nope. Let's just agree to agree that you should be dropped in a dress straight into Red Square, and get Coke bottles hammered up your hole until they emerge in shards from your bloody toothless mouth.
Enough, girls. You're both ugly.
Now, back to discussing this show...
I hope they don't kill ALL the interesting characters and awesome actors off...
It's the best new show I've watched!
It's also the only new show I've watched.
I love "fish out of water" scenarios, and I wish they'd show more of Icky's reactions to how much things have changed in 250 years. I can't wait until he finds out about gay weddings!
R23, Sweetie? This in 2013. There are at LEAST 5 24-hour news programs on cable. 60 Minutes could easily be moved to one of those.
Wait. Don't tell me. You're one of the extra special elitists who doesn't OWN a television, right? You do the NYT crossword puzzle in ink every Sunday whilst wearing a smoking jacket.
Totally surprised me.
Love the two leads.
Why do football overruns stop people from watching CBS shows? Granted, I'm in the Pacific time zone so it's not an issue, but don't they just shift everything up to accommodate the overrun and show all of the shows anyway? Can you not stay up past 10PM or something?
I'm curious to see what happens THIS Sunday as CBS is televising the Emmys live in all time zones. It's scheduled to start at 5PM PDT, but I noticed that there's a football game that immediately precedes it, so maybe I'll feel your pain, easterners.
Will Kal Penn be making a cameo to support John Cho?
R32, because we aren't watching live TV. I dvr my shows and when I try to watch The Amazing Race and it starts at the 42 min mark of the hour I can't go back in time and record The Good Wife after.
R34 Oh, OK. I have a manual DVR (i.e., not one from the cable or satellite company) and I just set it for a time period as opposed to a program. Can you do that with yours and thereby adjust it to record for a longer period to accommodate any potential time changes?
Don;t any of you have On Demand Prime Time. I watched Sleepy Hollow today.
R35, My dvr is through Directv and you have to set it by program. I could always set it to record The Good Wife too I suppose, but it just seems a hassle to clog up the dvr that way if I get behind a few weeks.
It seems like there is overrun 80% of the time, so why don't they schedule accordingly. Instead of pretending like the games will ever end "on time," just admit that it always runs 30 minutes longer. If need be have a 30 minute comedy rerun ready to play until the next hour starts and begin the line up an hour later.
The pilot was filmed in my hometown, Salisbury, NC but the rest will be filmed in Wilmington, NC. I enjoyed seeing familiar downtown scenes! Love this show!
Just watched it and thought it was awesome. Agree that it's a nice throwback to "The X-Files."
Need to see more of that hot red head wife who turned out to be a witch!
What do I like more than red heads? Witches!
This show was OK, not good, and not a boring abombination, but after a few episodes I'll see if its worth continuing to watch.
R32, depending upon how long the football games runs, it could end at 7:30 PM. That means 60 Minutes comes on around 7:45 (it appears to be illegal to start at 7:32 or maybe the affiliates need time to get their shit together). Anyway, that means TAR comes on at 8:45 PM, The Good Wife at 9:45 PM and The Mentalist, if they even show it, at 10:45.
I've been trying to get in bed by 10 PM as I get up at 6 AM and Sunday is a bad day to start with late nights. It messes up the rest of my week. Yes, I am old (51 yoa).
As for Free On Demand, yes I have it but I read DL everyday and have a hard time staying away from the threads.
tom Mison will be the next huge international superstar. He was great in Salmon Fishing in Yemen
The only problem with shows like this is that, if they're successful, they're guaranteed to suck... because they can never resolve the central issue/problem. You can't kill the headless horseman, because once you do, the show is over. So they have to keep coming up with more elaborate and credibility-stretching reasons he keeps getting away, dragging things out farther and farther.
And after a little while, the 'fish out of water' thing is going to disappear too. I mean, after a few years in the present, he'll be pretty well acclimated.
Shows like this can start strong, but almost always get weaker and lamer over time.
They show the Tappan Zee Bridge in Tarrytown, south of Sleepy Hollow, New York,
Now, the Tappan Zee Bridge is REALLY scary.
R43, they made a point of saying this was the first of the four horsemen, so they could easily kill one every season or two and have another replace it. Also, it's from the creators of Fringe, so the dead people could always return in another form/timeline/dream or whatever...
I liked the premiere of this show. But then I liked the premiere of "Under the Dome". Here's hoping THIS show doesn't go to crap like that one did.
Yes, having a logical ending is so, so important!
This show sucked. It will definitely be cancelled. What are they going to do, chase the headless man for 4 seasons?
R49 is sad that "Big Brother" is over.
I enjoyed it. I'm an American history buff so I really got into it. I can't see it being a long running program, but it seems to be a fun ride. I'll stick around.
I can see a great season-long arc for the show. I can even imagine stretching it to two seasons. Beyond that, I'm a bit worried.
They'll have to introduce a lot of 'filler' monster-of-the-week episodes or something, and that could be done well (XFiles) or tediously.
Loved the show.
Loved the actors.
Loved pretty much everything.
It's like X Files, Buffy, and Grimm all rolled into one big burrito.
I can't see it lasting more than 2-4 years, though.
I appreciate that the characters don't have "Scully Disease".
That's where someone see things happening in front of their face over and over and denies the reality of a situation.
Ichabod gets it, the lady cop gets it...even the cops who shot at the headless horseman get it.
Great...now the fun is how they deal with it.
John Noble (Walter Bishop from Fringe) will be joining Sleepy Hollow later this season.
[quote] Now, the Tappan Zee Bridge is REALLY scary.
I refuse to go over that decrepit bridge. Someday that entire thing is going down into the Hudson.
I am LOVING the second episode so far. The first ten minutes in particular were awesome.
I think the second episode was better than the first, and I loved the first one.
I'm really enjoying this show too.
[quote] But it made me wonder when Grimm is coming back on.
GRIMM returns for season 3 on Friday, October 25th at 9PM.
[quote] My dvr is through Directv and you have to set it by program.
Not true. ALL DVRs are able to be set manually, by date and time. you just have to actually read the instructions that came with it on how to do it.
The show's like a straight version of Supernatural.
"The only problem with shows like this is that, if they're successful, they're guaranteed to suck... because they can never resolve the central issue/problem."
Agreed. I loved the first season of "Once Upon a Time," and the whole thing about the flashbacks to their world and what is happening now, and the mystery of how the Curse worked, if anyone would get their memories back and the whole Emma vs. Regina thing. I also liked how the villains had to work their skullduggery using real world rules.
So after the first season they broke the curse, everyone has their memories AND they brought magic to a world we were told was magic-less, and its sucked. It sucked so bad they are now trying to move everything to Neverland!
[quote] Not true. ALL DVRs are able to be set manually, by date and time. you just have to actually read the instructions that came with it on how to do it.
That's not true. I had a DVR through Time Warner and it didn't offer this feature. (It used to and then it disappeared during a system "upgrade" a few years ago.) Just another reason I'm glad I switched to RCN.
The ratings are starting to collapse.
It will be gone by Christmas/New Year.
Why would the ratings collapse? The premiere episode was great, and the second episode was even better...
Collapse? Hardly. It dipped to a 3.1 which is actually a fantastic hold for a new show up against big competition.
It beat the premiere of 2 Broke Girls and played well against The Voice.
Nice try R66!
What R68 said.
Also, I am loving this show. The second episode was a nice retention of quality after the entertaining pilot. And the lead is beautiful, and a really good actor. I love his comic timing.
R65, that's how Ichabod Crane is described by Washington Irving. He is tall and exceedingly thin with a ravenous appetite. He spends a week with every family in the town instead of renting his own place and he nearly eats them out of house and home. He is ingratiating, awkward, penurious and very superstitious.
"His head was small, and flat at top, with huge ears, large green glassy eyes, and a long snipe nose, so that it looked like a weather-cock perched upon his spindle neck to tell which way the wind blew.. his clothes bagging and fluttering about him, one might have mistaken him for the genius of famine descending upon the earth, or some scarecrow eloped from a cornfield."
Loved the second show. Loved the dead Asian cop waking up.
Loved that he is a smart ass....or would it be...a pain in the neck?
I liked the yellow sticky montage scene and Ichabod's outrage at the 10% sales tax. The problem is you can't build an entire show just around the fish out of water bits.
The rest of the episode was somewhat of a mess. Andy came back to 'life', we were introduced to Abby's ex-boyfriend and sister (doing her best Sarah Connor impersonation), and Abby's mentor is back as a ghost. And will we get a weekly dream sequence with Ichabod's wife Katrina?
All in all it was kind of hard to get too invested in the evil-of-the-week part of the show.
The pilot was promising and there's potential -- especially the two leads who are quite good -- so I'm willing to give the show time to find its legs.
I liked it...some of the effects are cheap but overall the storyline and creepy factor are a solid A. I like the history and haunts aspect of it.
The scene where he freaked out about the taxes was funny. "We must do something about this."
I kind of liked the scene when he told off the marine. It would be kind of fun if Ichabod bumped into some Tea Partiers and he corrected all their historical beliefs.
I really like Abby. She and Crane do have some nice chemistry.
And I'm glad that Grimm will be back at the end of the month.
Great chemistry between the leads...I think the sister will bring some ninja skills to the mix.
I like everything but the TWO count em TWO exposition spouting dead characters. I love that sheriff and I'm glad he's back, but I wish it wasn't as almost a voice over character.
It looks like the Katrina character is going to wind up a damsel in distress so that's better than a know it all character who just shows up to explain everything.
Anyone know if the adorable and talented Tom Mison is gay?
FOX's week was propelled by strong premieres of SLEEPY HOLLOW, BROOKLYN NINE-NINE, DADS and the return of BONES, NEW GIRL and THE MINDY PROJECT.
On Monday, the debut of SLEEPY HOLLOW (3.5/9) dominated its time period and grew +133% from last year's premiere of "Mob Doctor" in the time period among Adults 18-49 (9/17/12, 1.5/4). SLEEPY HOLLOW was FOX's highest-rated Fall drama premiere in seven years (since 9/5/06) and was the highest-rated drama premiere on any broadcast network in one year (since Revolution on 9/17/12 with "The Voice" lead-in, 4.1/11; it also beat "Under The Dome," 3.3/9 on 6/24/13). In L + 3 day, SLEEPY HOLLOW (5.0/13) is FOX's highest-rated Fall drama premiere among Adults 18-49 in 12 years (since '24', 5.4/13 on 11/6/01). Its +1.5 rating gain in L+3 over L+SD surpassed any new series premiere last season (high was Revolution with a +1.4 rating gain).
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Excellent news! Hope it can maintain strong numbers... so far it's definitely my favorite new show.
Yay! Glad people like it, it's a great show.
The new show from 20th Century Fox Television, inspired by the tale of Ichabod Crane and the Headless Horsemen, averaged a 3.5 same-night rating in the adults 18-49 demo to become the net’s biggest fall drama premiere since “Standoff” in 2006. Its premiere then added a big 1.5 ratings points (or 43%) to its total thanks to DVR playback done on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday.
The 5.0 rating puts “Sleepy Hollow” comfortably above the 4.3 achieved earlier this year in Live+3 by both Fox’s ”The Following” (from a 3.2 for its same-night rating in January) and CBS’ “Under the Dome” (rising from its premiere same-night score of 3.3 in June).
Two seasons ago, Fox’s top new new dramas in L3 were “Terra Nova” (4.1) and “Alcatraz” (4.0).
“Sleepy Hollow” will face tougher competition for eyeballs on Monday nights starting tomorrow with the premieres of NBC’s “The Voice” and CBS’ comedies.
Loved episode three. The show is moving on in brisk pace, which is great. It was surprisingly exciting to have our British sex pot meet the cop's sister in the mental hospital.
I wonder if at some point the apocalypse will happen and the show will change to life after that? I like that the show at the moment has the feeling that the apocalypse WILL happen.
This show is surprisingly good. I'm not generally a fan of the reworked fairy tale genre, but the leads are so well written and acted, and the show moves along so quickly, my interest hasn't faltered through three episodes.
What's the deal with Tom Mison? He's stunning and an excellent actor, but I'd never even heard of him before this show.
This week's episode write-up is rather lengthy, but quite entertaining...
[bold]Sleepy Hollow Is a Shirtless Nightmare This Week[/bold]
Sleepy Hollow has been on a two-week speed date with the Headless Horseman, Sheriff Abbie Mills, resurrectee Ichabod Crane, his remarkably sturdy coat, witches, and George Washington's New International Expository Bible. This week, it delivered a brisk dream-horror episode that managed to get everybody's shirts off.
I'm not usually a fan of sci-fi or fantasy (except for The Twilight Zone) but this show has drawn me in. The only thing I don't like is that they don't play up the "fish out of water" scenario enough. Icky never challenges or questions a lot of the things he sees and hears and seems to understand terminology that would definitely not be familiar to someone who lived in the 18th century.
R86, I think it would get old pretty quickly if he'd be baffled by everything. To me what's been shown has been believable enough.
I'm sort of sorry they have the "library of mystical information" thing going on.
We saw that in Buffy and in Grimm (the mobile home)...I wish they could tap into another way our heroes research their enemies.
It would get old after a while, and you can't string that shtick out indefinitely, but there have been several missed opportunities, imho.
R86, I sort of like the way downplayed Icky's responses to the 21st c, like showing him poking at the fluorescent lights without making a big deal of it. I also think they've established that he is familiar with, though not inured to, supernatural phenomena, and in some ways our modern conventions would be similarly odd to him. I really enjoy his unflappability as a character trait.
But that's just it, R90. In the previous week's episode (with the witches), it would have been great if the cop had asked him if he really believed in witch-craft (or expressed her own disbelief), and he replied something like "You have light without fire, and coffee that appears at the touch of a button... you are surrounded by what appears to me to be witchcraft!" or something like that.
It would have been a funny, and insightful, throw-away line that explained a lot of his 'comfort' with his absolutely strange surroundings, but they never went there.
I think his first trip in a car should have been shown to. In his day, the fastest anyone traveled would have been on horse-back. He would have been FREAKED THE FUCK OUT by going 60mph on an interstate. Our brains are used to it and can process it easily. His would have not have been at first. Even more than the 'magic' of the car moving by itself, the speed (even 'slow' in-town driving is faster than most fast horses being ridden by average riders at full gallop) would have caused panic and alarm.
Well made points, R91- and good dialogue. Maybe you should angle for a writing job on the show.
They did show his befuddlement at the tarmac and cars whizzing by in the pilot, when he first emerged from the cave and stumbled onto the road. But I agree it would be good to punctuate his rapid acclimatization with a bit more witty exposition.
In other matters, have we discussed the show's tongue in cheek music selections yet? A bit obvious (e.g., Sinatra's "Witchcraft") but I enjoy the humor.
This seems to be the only new show that a majority of DL'ers think is worth watching and a bona fide hit. And deservedly so. If Mison had blonde hair he would be a dead ringer for my ex and the love of my life. Reason enough to watch but the show is really engaging and fun. And I love Abbie. So cute.
My only critique is that, after a while (like a few days) wouldn't somebody have suggested he update his wardrobe to something more modern. Not that he doesn't look great in his get-up, but he'd find it easier to fit in if he dressed more like the locals.
Abbie is adorable and the sister is going to kick someone's ass.
The one thing I have an issue with is the way Crane is a part of every police investigation. I mean - really? And nobody tells him not to hang around the police station or cross the crime scene tape. IRL no cop is going to let a civilian (especially a strange ranger like Crane) enter a crime scene or run up on a hostage negotiation.
So that sort of needs to be explained, IMO.
Suspension of disbelief, R95. As someone mentioned upthread, Crane's 18th century clothes are no worse the wear after his 250 year interment, and he doesn't appear to have spare outfit. Don't look too closely for realism.
R95... I think the captain is a "good witch". At least he believes enough that something weird is going on.
But earlier in the episodes, they said that Sleepy Hollow has ovens of good and bad witches.
I really like this show. At first I thought it's a bit silly but fun, but now, after a couple of episodes I love it. Two leads have great chemistry as someone already said. Tom Mison is a great actor and he's gorgeous. They said there will be seven years of tribulations before the apocalypse so I guess TPTB are planning 7 seasons. We'll see. Hopefully they'll have a couple of good years.
Crane is the Castle of Sleepy Hollow and Abbie is Beckett, r95:)
Sleepy Hollow has been renewed!
Fox is only doing 13 episode seasons, though.
Fox is following the cable model with 13 episodes. That means better written episodes and no filler material. So happy the show has gotten a 2nd season. The ONLY NEW SHOW that has been renewed so far!!!
So are they only doing 13 episodes this year too, or is the second season order for just 13 episodes so far, but this season will be a standard 22?
Nevermind. Stopped being lazy and looked it up. 13 episode seasons this year and next.
Interview with Tom Mison in which he reveals:
He's barely had time to date.
He lived with one of the actors on Homeland for four years.
The fangurls are sending him lots of artwork. And I have to add that he better get used to that. He could turn into the new Norman Reedus.
My fall shows:
Person of Interest
Yes, they're kind of lowest-common denominator dramas, but they're fun to watch when I need to decompress after work.
Mison and Rupert Friend were roommates. How lucky were their neighbors?
There's really nothing low, or common about Person Of Interest or the new show The Blacklist, actually.
Sleepy Hollow's world is expanding considerably so it's exciting as well.
Sleepy Hollow is no great shakes but it is better than most of the crap that is on TV these days.
Mison's fantastic in the role. I watch it every week just for him really. I hope this brings him more offers. Anyone know if he and Carey Mulligan broke up after 3 years because of Shia Labouf. I read one old article where Mulligan mentions she was trying to persuade her then boyfriend Mison to move to America with her but he was cool to the idea. This is way back. But its ironic now that he's now working in the US and she's married and living in the west country with her Mumford and son singer.
Anyway Mison is gorgeous and seems lovely in his interviews. A very dry wit though.
So far this is not just my favorite new show, it's pretty much my favorite show.
Is everyone just gonna ignore that the numbers for this show are falling?
Slowly, but still dropping.
It feels like it could go all to hell at any moment, and I have to wonder if they can keep it going beyond a few seasons.
I'm still watching, though.
Why are wigging out, R114? It has a 2nd season and that's all that matters. What also counts is them winning the 18-49 demo and the show is clearly doing that!
Nickolas Gonzalez is on the show!
Just tried the show. I am very happily surprised at how good is-- writing, acting, direction, set design, special effects. Love Beharie and Mison--both beautiful, both excellent actors. I appreciate the diverse cast-- it works. Also glad to see that Brother Justin sticks around. I'm hooked!
I love this show more and more with each new episode. Tom Mison is gorgeous and I thought he'd be the only reason why I'd watch it. I was wrong. The show itself is really good. I love the chemistry between the 2 leads. I like that the sister has now been added to the mix. I was so glad to hear that it's already been picked up for a second season.
Someone over at TWOP posted Fox is sending out viewer panel surveys asking what they would like to change about the show.
If there are any 50 something women on that panel they will say kill off Abbie. They don't seem to like her and want Katrina to be the star of the show and Abbie to be partnered with the character played by Orlando Jones.
I can't understand why they would pick him? Must be because he's so tall.
I want more fish-out-of-water touches.
The "On Star" thing was great, but it made me very aware of the other missed opportunities.
The show works because of the chemistry between the leads. What's not to like about Abbie? She's beautiful and a good actress. This show is not about a romantic relationship between Ichabod and Abbie. Why would any idiot want to see that? His soulmate is Katrina. He's trying to get her out of limbo so they can be together again. He and Abbie are trying to save the world. Besides, she has an ex on the force. If they are going to give her a romance they will probably go there. There is something off about the Captain. I like that we really don't know if he's a good guy or a bad guy but a romantic lead he's not. The last episode was great. Lots of sly humor and her sister is an interesting and likable character. Fox needs to fix the POS that is The Following and leave this show alone. It's the only real hit of the new tv season.
I can't follow it.
Omg! Don't even suggest romance between the two leads. What a horrible thought.
Why is it that people want to get the two leads of a show together romantically?
Jesus. People are already talking about Holmes and Watson, for example.
I think I might not watch The Following when it comes back. It's a pretty dumb show.
I caught the third episode, and while I still like the central dynamic (and the addition of Abbie's sister), I do think the writing and plot could use some tightening and upgrades. The last episode was just all over the place with projectors and Hessians and the Tea Party and a book which summons a demon (but which was conveniently destroyed just by throwing it in a fire - what?). Time and time again, the downfall of these shows are plots that lose control (and lose viewer interest) - just goes to show how important writing staff and a good show-runner are.
The two main actors are great, and I've realized they bear a loose resemblance to the dynamic of Holmes and Watson on Elementary - sassy not-having-it minority female paired with odd but charming British guy (though Crane is considerably nicer than Sherlock). I've noticed that (like Elementary) they've shied away from hinting at a romantic relationship, instead focusing on the two building up their trust for one another, which is probably the right course - if they do eventually pursue a romance, they'll do it through a slow build over the seasons to build up tension rather than trying something too forced right off the bat.
Ichabbie is all over Tumblr.
Fangirls ship these two HARD.
Yeah, well, fangirls are stupid.
R123, many shows want to create a "Moonlighting" dynamic where viewers are invested in underlying sexual tension between two partners - this was the case for "the X-Files" as well.
But most shows also realize that if you're lucky enough to find a pair that has that kind of chemistry, you don't give viewers what they want until you're near the end, because interest sharply drops off after the romance is acknowledged and consummated.
Of course, there's another reason for Tumblr fangirls to ship the leads, and that's because it's a "rare pair" of a POC lead female with a traditional white male hero - you really don't see many representations of interracial romance, especially on network shows like this. It's appealing to fangirls to root for a traditional "outsider" to end up with the romance novel-worthy hero (rather than his pretty white wife).
In writing about the last episode, I realized what my problem with the writing is so far - too much fucking exposition. Crane has to take a break every few minutes to explain some far-fetched long-ago historical episode that no one has heard of and that he seemingly pulls out of his ass, which nicely sets up the episode's random object / plot coupon of the week.
They could do a better job creating an atmosphere of mystery and discovery rather than throwing in conveniently-placed plot devices (the Horseman's head! The witch's bones! The secret book!) that Crane has to explain to Abbie.
I liked the third episode better than the second.
The woman playing the sister is visually striking but not a great actress.
Whereas the lead actors in this are very good.
I too love the lead actors, and I too hope that there isn't even a HINT of a love story between them. That would completely ruin the show, and be completely out of character for BOTH leads.
R130, Why because she's black and he's white? If you notice there is sexual tension between them. I hope they do act it on it, BUT much later in the series. I want writers to establish the bond and trust between the lead characters.
[quote] Why is it that people want to get the two leads of a show together romantically?
Because they watch soap operas and sitcoms, where everyone has to date or be married.
I agree with other posters who have stated there's too much time spent on tomes and texts and maps and Hessians and the Book of Revelation. Maybe this appeals to the Dungeons and Dragons/Lord of the Rings freaks who like overly complicated shit, but it doesn't appeal to me. Also agree that there should be no romantic relationship between the two leads. Nicole Beharie and Tom Mison are both great, though, but the show will be stronger without a romantic relationship.
R131? Why in the FUCK would you go there? I think it speaks more to the way you think than anyone else...
There isn't any sexual tension. He's more a mentor/father-figure to her, and he's still in love with his wife, the witch, who is still watching over them.
It has nothing to do with race, you nimrod.
Yes, they should have a bond of trust. As friends. As colleagues. As mentor/student (working both ways, as he teaches her about the occult, and she teaches him about the modern world). But they are NOT and SHOULD NEVER BE lovers. It would interfere with the plot of the show, the dynamics of the show, and wouldn't ring true to the characters.
When the ratings start to tank, I think they'll hook the two of them up.
I don't see this show lasting seven years.
They need at least four or five to tell a good story.
R134, I'm not R131, but we've had three episodes total so far - I think it's a little premature to talk about how things aren't "true to the characters" and "would interfere with the plot" and how a romance "SHOULD NEVER" happen. We have no idea where the plot's going to go, and we really haven't gotten to know the characters that well besides surface traits.
If the show were three seasons in and they decided to throw in a romance for ratings, I'd agree it seems forced and tacked on, but it seems a little weird to be invested in two characters NOT getting together when the show has just started. Plus, we know next to nothing about Crane's wife besides that she's a witch who tried to save him - she could always end up being a villain down the line, deceitful, etc. (what else did she hide from him besides being a witch? Did he ever really know her?)
R130, I see someone's riled up...did I hit a nerve? Not surprised because there is a push by some folks to get rid of Abbie altogether...I wonder why?
We've barely seen Katrina and Crane together on screen. His past is his past and anything can transpire between Crane and Abbie in present day.
There is no need for a romance right now...both characters need to time to grow and bond. I'm hoping for something along the lines of Sully and Mulder.
BTW...is the name calling necessary? Try to be a bit more mature...
"Icky? It's me..."
R137, are you hearing imaginary name calling in your head, like you're perceiving imaginary racism in your head?
I really do like the show, but large part of liking it are the big monsters, that still are very mysterious. Episode three to me only kicked into high gear when the blurry face appeared, and I must say I find it a bit problematic that a mysterious beast is needed to lift up the atmosphere. Why isn't the atmosphere that high already?
Like others have pointed out there are problems in the writing. Mainly about how light are they trying to keep the tone, which partly comes from treating the show either as a weekly happenings at the town of Sleepy Hollow where anything could happen or using a very tight series-long story arc that covers everything and keeps it all believable. The Blacklist lost me only after two episodes because that show obviously don't give a shit about creating a tight and believable story. Instead it's just empty posing where characters pretend to be serious.
Sleepy Hollow still is believable but I agree with an earlier poster who wondered about why did they throw so much stuff into the episode three. I really hope they treat the show with care because it's one of the rare shows that has it all going from the beginning. The chemistry of the leads, and the kick ass sister, is great. I wouldn't mind a mild sexual undertone between them, and even an affair, which would bring depth to the story if done right. We still are at episode three and anything could happen, although I'm a bit afraid that the show is becoming quite boringly formulaic, and that would be shame.
How would getting rid of Abbie improve the show? Without her there is no show. And isn't Ichabod "dead" for all intents and purposes? Not to mention there is NO sexual tension between the leads. As it should be. As another poster pointed out he is a father figure and a mentor to Abbie. Katrina is the love of his life and he's trying to "find" her to release her from that supe limbo so they can be reunited. As well as save the world. I don't know why this show needs a romance. The idiot fangirls can watch The Originals and The Vampire Diaries if that is what they crave. Or Dracula. Sheesh. BTW, anyone who suggests that the fans who are against introducing some silly romance between the leads are doing so because we are racist really need to get back on their meds.
It doesn't matter r142.
The fangirls are fighting about Abbie hooking up with Crane, and how Katrina is the star of the show.
Neither is true, but I guess this is what will happen for as long as the show airs.
This is the first fairy tale series I've tried, and I don't think I have the patience for it. I do like the female cop, but Ichabod is a lot less interesting to me. You don't have to have any appreciable talent to play "wide-eyed bewildered", I'm not convinced he is that good of an actor. Maybe he's the problem, no matter what the sticky-fingered fangirls have to say about him.
I really like the show. Icabod is hot and I really like Abbie. But I'm embarrassed to admit that, when I saw the first episode the first thing I thought was, there are a lot of black people in Sleepy Hollow. It is rare for a myth-laden show about the unknown and the occult feature a black protagonist.
R144, you're just an idiot. Go away.
r146 = sticky fingered fangirl
R145, It's a diverse show that is needed on t.v. and it's great that they have MORE than one person of color on the show.
Also, it's sad that people are not use to seeing people of color on popular t.v. shows. This is why some people would rather not see the two leads form a romantic relationship. The IMDB and Tumblr comments prove the show's diversity IS STILL an issue for some.
I hate people like r134. They ruin discussion on the internet. They're exhausting in their histrionics.
Even Ichabod Crane is hot on television.
[quote] seems to understand terminology that would definitely not be familiar to someone who lived in the 18th century.
Case in point: When Crane stated that he had an eidetic memory, a term that was not even used until the early part of the 20th century.
R149, you should direct your ire at R131, who started it with their utter nonsense.
I love this show. Seriously.
I watched the first two but just realized how stupid it was when they started talking about "covens of witches" while driving in a police cruiser.
If you don't find this show fun, then you're incapable of having fun.
The pilot episode was good through and through.
I haven't been happy with the show since then.
After tonight, I hope that all of the 15 year old fangirls realize that they will NEVER put Abbie and Ichabod in a relationship.
I fully expect Katrina and Crane to be the duo starting next year, and poor Abbie will be sent packing.
Can't wait to see the meltdown when that happens.
It's gonna be epic!
By the time of the Roanoke colony, Middle English had been extinct for hundreds of years.
And, to be honest, Ichabod was the weirdest of the Crane brothers, as hard as that is to believe.
We finally saw a glimpse of the incomparable John Noble during that preview!
Yeah, R157, but who cares.
I mean, this is a show about magic and witches and the four horsemen of the apocalypse... that detail is the least of the things you need to suspend disbelief in.
I just love this show because it's so much fun! Abby's great, Ichabod's great, the quips and asides are great.
I thought tonight's ep was just OK. Still, better than most stuff out there.
But can anyone here explain the reasoning for taking it off the air for THREE WEEKS???
Makes no sense to me. It debuts, it's obviously popular and they destroy the momentum by taking it off for three weeks.
Fox is broadcasting the championship and world series games so SH is on hiatus for the time being.
It's taking a 3 week break because of baseball. It's the World Series, r161. Sports fucking everything up as usual. With like a million sports channels they still air the games on regular networks. I hate that.
Thanks r162, r163. I didn't think of that. I'm so out of the sports loop. Fucking sports is right. Here they have a hit show that would be perfect around Halloween and they have to take it off to show stupid fucking baseball.
I didn't like it at first because the romance novel version of Ichabod was annoying, compounding it with his english accent. Took me a really long time to warm up to him, but by the end of ep. 2 I liked SH. I wasn't crazy about episode 3 though, too X-File-ish, and not in a good way. This current episode 5 looks really bad too, only 16 minutes into it. I didn't like Fringe either, and SH was created by the Fringe people. I'd say Witches of East End is more consistent, but it's only had two episodes so too early to say that.
[quote]I mean, this is a show about magic and witches and the four horsemen of the apocalypse... that detail is the least of the things you need to suspend disbelief in.
I see your point , but the best supernatural shows succeed by keeping the everyday world firmly ground in reality.
The only part that makes me cringe is Orlando Jones.
Nothing about this show is grounded in reality at this point.
The thing it needs to do is remain consistent within the world that it has built.
"Nickolas Gonzalez is on the show!"
Was he one of the young male actors who posed full-frontal nude for gay photographer Greg Gorman? If so, there must be nude photos on the Internet.
Anyone else notice that WALTER from Fringe is appearing next time?!?
Love this show so far, but Orlando Jones is awful.
Loved episode three. Great stuff! Even if the history is off a little, it's more information than the standard high school kid gets in 4 years of history.
Three weeks till a new episode but only two new episodes are being pre-empted. Still, it's going to lose some momentum with the hiatus. People who don't like baseball will tune into DWTS or the comedies on CBS. The show stands to lose viewers who may like the alternatives and stick with them. The show has been renewed but the ratings are really important to sponsors and it's important that the show remain a runaway hit. BTW, Ichabod's bod looks weird. He looks anorexic without his clothes.
#5 ROCKED! I fucking loved this show! True history about American Indians, Roanoke. Viewers getting American history they probably slept through all there lives. Not to mention bible shit
Icky is adorable, but not Tom Mison. It's the Legolas/Bloom syndrome.
I will wait impatiently for it to return
The fangirls will NEVER admit this, but the show is slowly bleeding viewers.
If the numbers don't go back up, it should be somewhere around 5-6 million by the end of the season.
Don't know if they can grow from there because this show is all kinds of fucked up, wild, and crazy.
Is it fun? Yes, to me, but I can see how it wouldn't be for a lot of people.
I'm thinking it will move to Fridays if it even gets a third season.
Apparently their dvr ratings are insanely good and add over 60% to the overnight rating. Its not doing bad,
People are such negative nellies. The show's doing fine.
I didnt realise Tom Mison dated Carey Mulligan for three years. They split up in the year An Education was released.
Is he botoxed? His forehead is soooo smooth and his eyebrows never move...
He does have a big forehead. Must be very intelligent.
R182 I believe that's known as a "five-head."
Entertainment Weekly just posted that the Sleepy Hollow Finale will air January 20th at 8 p.m.
Back tonight, bitches!
What a great episode!
It's interesting that Ichabod is a Mason.
And also amazing that he would recognize a direct descendant of the peeps that signed THE document.
I've watched all the episodes, and I think it's too 'busy', jittery and noisy. The creators should become more aware of the power of silence and atmosphere.
Send in the Calvary? How does that work as a threat?
I am afraid that Ichabod and the cop are going to have a romance!
No they wont, R190.
Especially now that Abbie met Mrs. Crane.
Who was the actor who played Rutledge? I checked IMDB and that episode's info was complete yet. I know I've seen him in something else recently, but I can't place him.
James Frain who played Eric Renard on Grimm (the brother?/cousin? of the Police Chief, the one who kidnapped the Grimm in the season finale of last season... and who was killed off this season because he got a job on Sleepy Hollow)
James Frain also played Franklin Mott in TRUE BLOOD and Thomas Cromwell in THE TUDORS.
Love this damn show! Last night was awesome.
R193 R194 Thanks for the info! I haven't seen any of those shows (don't have HBO or Showtime, and don't watch Grimm) but I checked IMDB and found out I remembered him from an episode of "The Closer." His British accent was creeping through in SH last night-- presumably the character was supposed to be American, no?
Excellent show last night, the masons, the black revolutionary guy, the death-eater. Nicely spun yarn.
Why are they trying to doll up the female leads? Both had more plastered make-up than a Miss America pageant. I think the leads were more convincing with a more natural look--the fuschia lipstick and carefully quaffed hair on a cop and even more, a mental patient, are distracting and annoying. Not to mention the fact that both actresses are naturally stunning. It bugs.
I also didn't care for the hard-pedalling of the romantic elements between Abby and Icky. If this becomes one big Abby swoon it will turn into every other ridiculous series out there featuring male/female partners. I just hope the series retains it uniqueness, and I view these elements as red flags.
This is shaping up in to a very good show. I really enjoy it.
[quote]carefully quaffed hair
They're drinking hair? This show is weirder than I thought!
Well, you have to do it carefully, r200.
R198, How is Abby plastered with makeup? Her hair has always mimicked Ichabod in that it's just straight with a pony tail. She doesn't use much lipstick or other makeup. Her sister Jenny has always had those thick eyebrows which give her a particular look. Katrina has always worn too much make up especially for a Quacker/witch but that's been from the beginning, nothing is changed there. In fact, she wore less make up as a Quacker and during the scenes of her first meeting with Ichabod.
I seriously doubt that Abbie and Ichabod will hook up before season 3. Clearly they have chemistry but that doesn't mean they'll have a romance especially with Ichabod pining for his purgatory living/dead wife.
There's quite a difference, R202. Did you see a pony tail in the last episode? Katrina has always had a lot of make-up, but I don't know what they are trying to do to Abby and her sister. Totally unnecessary.
Any gossip on Mison and Beharie?
The show's getting pretty tedious. The latest episode was pretty mindless action and not even done very well. The Headless Horseman is such a boring character but let's hope something new and exciting happens with the show soon.
Headless is hot!
Beharie is such a great actress I feel it's a shame that she's totally wasted on a show like Sleepy Hollow. (She first caught my attention when she held her own with the incomparable Alfre Woodard in "American Violet," her film debut.)
I don't know much about Mison, but I find him extremely appealing -- he certainly has more chemistry with Beharie than the actress that plays his wife on the show. Unfortunately, like most of the shows produced by J.J. Abrams, Sleepy Hollow is becoming very predictable. I agree with others who called the show Buffy-lite. It all goes back to the cliche writing. I'm hoping for the best because I like many of the lead actors (and it's great to see the gorgeous Nicholas Gonzalez back on a network series), but the writing staff needs to step it up if they want to keep viewers returning each week.
I'm actually liking how they are weaving history into this show. I enjoy both "National Treasure" movies with Nic Cage.
LOL at R202 with "QuaCker/witch." I think he meant QUAKER but still.
The Dead Sheriff
This show is so much fun. The first five minutes had more fun in it than entire HOURS of other shows.
Washington Irving is looking down from up above, and smiling.
Sleepy Hollow is one of the few shows on TV where most parts are played by actors of color. The only whites in the cast are Ichabod, Katrina, and the headless horseman.
I'm enjoying this show - it reminds me of The X-Files.
R211 I noticed that, too. There are lots of really good, compelling, pivotal scenes where Tom Mison is the only white guy in them--or not in them at all. Not tokenism at work either. Just well acted scenes with great actors playing great parts. Refreshing that it all seems so normal. Startling that I find myself writing that.
As Edna Turnblad (and someone else, but I forget who) said, "The times, they are a'changin'."
I love this show. The thanksgiving/haunted house episode was really great. I agree about how easily the cast is black and white, and this weeks episode reinforced how folks have intertwined in America since revolutionary days.
The director of this episode was Liz whats her name...a producer of Xena...and an out lesbian.
It was a fantastic episode. There's a little Crane baby running about!!!
The tree demon reminded me a bit of LOTR, but, it must be difficult to have a demon tree running about, without it looking ridiculous.
A nice write-up of this week's episode:
[bold]Sleepy Hollow's haunted-house episode [/bold]
This week in Sleepy Hollow, there's nothing like a demon-infested home for the holidays, as Abbie and Ichabod march into a haunted house like they're new around here, and find out more about themselves than you can shake a stick monster at.
Haunted-house episodes are a genre of their own; they have the built-in creep factor of a shelter turning on you, and are thematically ripe with ghostly responsibility (family, old sins, some other ghost's problems you've been reluctantly dragged into since you picked up an amulet on the street because you lack the common sense of a waffle). Sometimes they're a trick to sustain, because the scariest parts of a haunted house are its hostile geography and the inevitable separation of any entering party into its freaked-out and flashlit components as they SCULLAAAAY for each other for two minutes in the middle, but with enough interaction, they're good silly-spooky fun.
And Sleepy Hollow, a show that loves its genre seriously so much, throws itself wholeheartedly into the entire business (except for missing an opportunity to bring back its early monster-of-the-week music cues, robbing us of twenty seconds of "Come On-A My House"). It also tries maybe a little too hard to include everyone in its thematic bounty, but we'll slam that door shut when we get to it.
(more at the link)
" Not tokenism at work either."
No, and the inclusion of a disabled African American daughter, without making a big deal of it, was interesting. Although, the whole divorced family stuff was trite.
But the real village of Sleepy Hollow, actually in Tarrytown, is overwhelmingly White:
"[in 2010,] the racial makeup of the village was 61.01% Caucasian, 6.21% African American, 0.83% Native American, 3.25% Asian, 0.01% Pacific Islander, 23.47% from other races, and 5.22% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 51.04% of the population, many of whom are Ecuadorian, Dominican, Chilean, and Puerto Rican."
Yeah, R217, I forgot but I was gonna make the point that the racial composition of the show is pretty improbable given the actual make up of Sleepy Hollow in real life.
All the major black characters playing important roles, the Asian police officer who's now caught between his friendship with Abbie and his undead status, Abbie's ex-bf and kinda asshole is Hispanic. Is he dead? I forgot.
It's a veritable United Nations on the show. The real Sleepy Hollow? Not so much.
I watched four episodes of this show and the lead actress is great but this show is just too retarded for me to spend an hour every week watching.
I'll be giving thanks for Tom Mison's hotness this Thanksgiving.
I also love this show.
Love the racial inclusiveness.
Kudos to Ken Olin!!
I'm already getting bored with the show.
If they don't do something with Katrina by next season, I'm out.
I'm not spending seven years watching her give cryptic messages, and Crane crying over her.
The black posters on Tumblr are angry about the writing, saying the writers are giving Abby the shaft and making her the sidekick to the special snowflakes/The Cranes.
The best part is that race is never an issue. Reviewers and commenters might bring up race, but aside from the occasional line like "your people are emancipated" or other funny anachronism the fact that 2/3rds of the characters are non-white (counting JCho) is irrelevant.
My theory- we are going to find out that Abbie and Jenny are descendants of Ichabod and Katrina, as evidenced by the black midwife taking the newborn Crane into her home at Katrina's request.
I love this show- GUANO LOCO!!!
I'll admit I did notice, and think about the racial make up on this last episode. It's fantastic.
I think Captain Irving will be the descendant, though.
Everything does revolve around the Cranes. Katrina was the one that put Ichabod in that sleep.
I find it interesting that the actress that plays Katrina has yet to look the same way twice. I have to do a double take every time she comes on-screen. She looks different in every outfit and hair style.
The last episode was so bad that I had to fast forward about 50% of it. The first few episodes were very promising but the last few have felt tired and completely unoriginal. The tree monster was just laughably bad. Nothing wrong with the actors, it's the script and the overall production. The episode directors have been quite eneven. I see the show being an empty mess at the moment.
It seems the show is bleeding viewers: only 5.8 million viewers when the series premiere had over 10 million. I had forgotten that the show only has 13 episode season since so many of the episodes have felt like fillers. They really should've made the season tighter and just plainly written it better. I wonder would Fox have give the second season renewal if they'd make the decision right now? Reading comments here it seems some people are really loving the show, though.
I just watched Supernatural and the difference between the shows is huge: SN feels fresh on its 9th season but Sleepy Hollow feels dead on its tracks on its 9th episode.
The romance between the Crane couple is just completely uninteresting, and I wouldn't care if I never saw that Katrina woman again. I'm wondering if people interested in the romance angle are mostly women? Are most of the watchers mostly women? Mison is not sexy enough to keep me interested (I mean seriously, they say television adds pounds and if he looks anorexic on tv I can only imagine how thin he is in reality). The sisters as characters are pretty good, but for some reason producers and writers are not making a flowy experience but rather introduce something and then forget it and bring it back later for a short period of time. It's all very disjointed and everything in the show suffers from it.
I'll probably check out the last remaining episodes of the season, but probably end up fast forwarding them through if the show doesn't return to the real feeling of mystery and horror it had on its first two episodes. It probably won't be getting any better, though.
I guess I couldn't disagree with you more, R226. Sleepy Hollow is one of the most fun shows on television right now. It's crazy and fun. I don't get where you're coming from at all. It's one of the very few television highlights of my week.
Yeah R227, different people like different things. Sleepy Hollow has unfortunately lost its charm almost completely in my eyes and feels like it's not moving forward at all. Which is a shame because the first episode kicked ass. But I'll probably just have to accept that the show is not for me and move on. The drop in ratings tells that I'm not the only one. Hopefully the producers concentrate making the scripts a lot better for the second season.
[quote]The romance between the Crane couple is just completely uninteresting, and I wouldn't care if I never saw that Katrina woman again.
[quote]I'm wondering if people interested in the romance angle are mostly women?
From what I read online, if women are interested in a romance, it's not in one between Ichabod and Katrina.
[quote]...if the show doesn't return to the real feeling of mystery and horror it had on its first two episodes
"Horror" is a stretch, but I agree it has lost that certain...edge. Did someone tell the writers to tone it down?
Yeah horror might be a bit strong word but well, now that I think of it, really, the show did have a pretty strong horror element in the beginning, and that came mainly from the Blurry Face, or whathisname. The first few times they used Blurry Face had a sense of real fear and terror. The last episodes are just pale imitations of that so possibly Fox wanted it toned down, or the production team just decided to move to a lighter tone. Or possibly they just now use writers and directors who simply don't know how to make the show as high quality as it was in the beginning. It's like the first two episodes were from a mystery semi-horror thriller and the last from some plastic Disney World horror ride.
Personally I couldn't give a rat's ass about any romance angle in the show, unless it's between Mison and Nicholas Gonzales ;) At least not until they fix what is broken overall with the show first.
Ents are certainly a step down from "Blurry Face" (lol)--or even the Sandman.
I didn't really like this episode either--it had potential, but the whole Ent was silly. You expect to see that kind of thing towards the end of series run, not the beginning. And the final "battle" between Ichabod and the Ent was stunningly anti-climatic.
I did enjoy the episode before this one. But I also liked the earlier episodes on the whole better than the later episodes. Hopefully the writing will become more consistent. I'm a fan for several reason--not the least of which is Tom Mison, who is amazing. I'll continue to watch. I really hope it doesn't start to suck.
[quote] And the final "battle" between Ichabod and the Ent was stunningly anti-climatic.
Oh, dear. (There was no weather involved.)
This last episode was ridiculous.
It really felt thrown-together - oh, let's have the characters stumble around in the dark with flashlights for 20 minutes and then resolve the whole thing with a vision, which we will reveal through a narrative.
*climactic*, forgive the typo.
Hey, R231 et al, you're lucky spell-check didn't make it ceramic - we got it.
This show deserves much love, yet not necessarily more episodes.
It's all kinds of awesome when history meets the present, but it is only believable when presented in a setting with vampire/witch/zombies.
Kids today are only interested in knowing who George Washington was if they can believe it possible that he might turn up on their street one day, a little faded and dirtier from laying in the ground for two hundred years, but still hott and ready to par-TAY!
I don't see that this show has any trajectory, other than as a showcase for up'n-comers.
I found the "Blood Moon" episode delightful.
I'm also happy to see it sponsored by such tasteful companies. That Droid ad with Ed Norton made my whole head fold back.
Oh, and Victoria's Secret is offering special deals on "half-off bras!"
R236 what the fuck are you going on about? Your entire post was confusing.
In other SH observations, there's no way in hell Crane Junior is really dead. Ichabod's heart probably wasn't beating while he was buried for 200 years either, and the witches made sure to include that he was "hexed".
Abbie barely got any screen time last night. :-( Can we please wrap up this Katrina/Ichabod epic love story and get back to the apocalypse stuff. Where's the horseman?
[quote] I'm not spending seven years watching her give cryptic messages, and Crane crying over her.
And neither is anyone else. The ratings slide continues with the last episode hitting yet another series low. It's already been renewed for a 2nd season but it's looking increasingly likely that's all it'll get. I checked out about the 4th episode.
And I agree r233, that Abby is a good character trapped in a bad show, while the romance novel version of Ichabod is cringe-inducing.