After reading many thread topics and replies, it seems a majority of posters here are of a certain age. (Whether we like to admit this or not)
Is this because older people can relate to the thread topics more? If so, why don't younger guys start a thread or reply? Why are younger DL guys few and far between?
I'm 22 and refuse to pay to start posts! But I lurk.
I just assumed it was because younger people have actual lives to live, as opposed to the typical DLer, who mostly lives vicariously through the internets.
Because people age. We were younger when we started coming here.
You were only nine when I began frequenting DL.
The younger gay men here are also way too obsessed with teenybopper music and other nonsense such as the sex lives of uber annoying turds such as One Erection, Justine Beaver and Milly Crotchrot.
I find it odd that young men in their 20s obsess over crappy music which is being produced for tweens and teens.
Fuck pop music and celebs. I like the posts that are more "elder gay" centric. You bitches are hilarious and smart.
R2 has it. Like middle aged women, the typical DLer is no longer remotely sexually attractive to the population they are attracted to. Too old and tired for Grindr. Unlike the women, they haven't children to fill their lives. Thus the frau hate.
Hard to be a past-your-prime nelly gay man. Misery loves company, thus, DL.
There are just too many other websites & apps for the younger crowd - DL is not going to be their first port of call. Personally, I enjoy the old-school topics and mature viewpoints* here, though I'm a GenX'er.
* Obviously I'm speaking very generally - low-IQ trolls don't count.
Listen, R6, I'm saying this once only: BECAUSE SOME OF US DO NOT HAVE CHILDREN DOES NOT MEAN WE ARE JEALOUS OF THOSE WHO DO.
Because the key ingredient of wit is wisdom, and that only comes with age.
OP - do you like to read and post on boards for those in their tweens?
Same deal here - just older. Move along and join us when you have some real world experience to contribute.
Damn OP, get off my lawn!!
Uhhmmm, what was the question?
Lack of patience for the habit of using typos as evidence of an inferior argument. The same with grammar and syntax in the informal register.
Lack of patience with talentless wanna-be drag queens who mistake bitter sarcasm for humor.
Lack of patience for older-skewing interests like theater being used as litmus tests for cultural literacy.
In other words, use of the forum to boost the egos of a significant number of the older posters, who need to piss on the corners to show it's their turf. It's tiresome and marks them as insecure about their age and experience.
[quote]In other words, use of the forum to boost the egos of a significant number of the older posters, who need to piss on the corners to show it's their turf. It's tiresome and marks them as insecure about their age and experience.
Well, smell her!
I stopped reading R13 after the third sentence. Did it ever get interesting?
Younger people have lives.
R8 But many gay men do have the nesting instincts of straight women, no matter if you don't. That's all over the DL, the unfulfilled middle aged men, no longer sexually attractive, looking for solace, or connection.
Nothing wrong with it, it's just not what occupies the young and horny.
Real talk: it's because DL's web presence is last century. The anonymous commenting system and lack of inline replies means there's very little sense of community. DL also has no visual branding that readily describes what it is--a shame for a website with a name as ambiguous as "DataLounge" and a CSS that screams Star Trek LARPer message board.
Also, you're a community with regular threads about soap operas, which revival of Pal Joey was the best, and a Victrola meme (?!). Do you think this will attract the kiddies over at Dlisted?
The only valuable element to this site for guys in their 20s is cautionary. DON'T LET THIS HAPPEN YOU!
This is a bleak misanthropic universe ruled by obsessing about money and age.
Trashing EVERYTHING with lame attempts at cleverness and endless threads rehashing old movies, TV shows and even commercials.
Occasionally there are the suicidal cries for help that are sincere and moving but certainly not entertaining.
Young guys should be out hooking up and LIVING.
Until recent years, the core constituency of DL posters was middle-aged gay men. It's funny to me when newer posters complain about the old gays who they feel are "invading" the board all of a sudden. It's like going to a bird watching board and complaining that everyone talks about binoculars and Audubon too much.
Young people can't afford the $18 to post here.
Most of the paying members (aka thread starters) are between the ages of 35-60. There are some younger ones, and plenty more non-paying younger posters.
I'm one of the under 30 crowd. Personally I despise the amount of threads dedicated to broadway/musicals, Hepburn, the pathetic "royal" families of the world, and finally the ones in which mostly older white gays fawn over average-looking white guys.
I'm older and I have more insurance!
I'm pushing 50, and I despise (and skip) those threads on broadway/musicals, "tasteful friends" crap, as well as all that stereotypical reality TV crap like "Americas Top Model" and whatever that fashion design show is. Bleh.
So that has nothing to do with being young. It just has to do with not being a grotesque caricature of a gay stereotype, obsessed with shallow and ridiculous nonsense.
But I will say something to your last point: realize that 'average looking' guys today are way WAY better looking than the 'average' guy of the past. I'm not sure what's in the water you youngsters drinks, but 6-pack abs were a rarity at my high school (like, maybe 2% of the population had anything close), and even college, it was ONLY the top athletes that had bodies like that. Now they seem to be a dime a dozen. So for you it's boring, but it's still exciting for those of an older generation. And of course, one day YOU'LL be older, and you might understand then the general attractiveness of youth, once you've lost it yourself.
Probably because all you young dudes are out getting some . . .
I'm only interested in guys who SCREW older.
Was it the term courting in the Sara Gilbert thread?
R24, you sound fat.
cuz young ones don't have the $ for a sub
i love this site so much
All you young'uns who can't afford the $18-- I'm sure some of us here know a way you can earn it!
I would probably guess that the median age here is probably 38 or 39. There is nothing wrong with that, but the only way to bring in some different voices is to make it an open forum.
I think we're missing the obvious here.
Google the stats for young people and reading.
I'd fuck them but I deign not to
Who's old? Me? I'm too busy to be old! Now, I've got to get back to the important work of starting threads about the Golden Girls!
Well, I always read the "tasteful friends" threads because some of the comments are a hoot. Even if you don't care for such things, it's nice to see what others think.
Just because you entertain an idea, doesn't mean you have to accept it.
The great thing about the DL is that the tyrannic children who overrun most internet websites cannot take over this one.
We're older, smarter, richer and we started this board when your mother was still dressing you. We're not leaving and we're not changing the site to suit you. Why should we? Most of you don't even pay the $18 to join and support the Datalounge.
We have money because (1) we likely don't have children, and (2) we didn't run up tens of thousands of dollars of debt going to college like people do today.
[quote] Personally I despise ... the ones in which mostly older white gays fawn over average-looking white guys.
Be sure to avoid today's "Time to Present..." thread.
R23 and R36, I think you're great!
Young people don't post here because DL is like a retirement village for middle aged gays who are single and don't have any real family or friends to speak of. They come from a time when bathroom sex with random strangers was their only outlet for sex and having sex with married men was their passive aggressive way of getting revenge on a society that rejects them. Their dysfunctional view of sex and relationships has left them isolated. As they grow older, and the younger gays are finding the acceptance and the lives they never had, they are growing bitter and resentful as it is not only just straight society that has rejected them, but now their fellow gays as well. Their lifestyles and culture are growing ever more marginalized and thus the mantra for DL has become "give us your bitter, your angry, and your depressed."
R40 is 65 if he's a day. And he didn't divorce the bitch until about 4 years ago.
There's [italic]some[/italic] truth to what R40 says, though this L-DerGay never looked for sex in public restrooms. Ever.
But I am depressed and angry. Not bitter, really, though I miss people. That's the hardest thing of all: missing people my age who should still be alive.
What R36 said.
We don't need or want straight women or twenty-somthings.
DL is smarter, funnier, and more interesting without either one. (Or rather, it was.)
Because it started in the 90s, like AOL and Yahoo. You can either skew old or newbie. That it's still here and not completely awful is a miracle.
I'm 52 and it seems many of the guys here are half my age.
There's Something Here For Everyone!
Why does DL skew toward feminine and campy males? Why so many here?
I'm 28 and a paying member.
Has anyone ever noticed inconsistencies in the Golden Girls back stories?
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...and a partridge in a pear tree!
[quote]As they grow older, and the younger gays are finding the acceptance and the lives they never had..."
The acceptance of your sexuality and the lives you enjoy today were bought and paid for by us and it was a heavy, heavy price. Some people paid for it with their lives.
You know nothing, Son, nothing at all.
I'm convinced that most who post here are closeted, older and unhappy.
Which would explain the self-loathing, fear and cruelty.
R53 No,80s AIDS resulted in activism from a media-savvy, affluent demographic, activism that became permanent, advocating for and successfully implementing pro-gay structural, legal changes.
The AIDS victims weren't martyrs, just unfortunate. Their awful, terrible, visible suffering made opposition to advocacy intolerable to enough people that change followed. But the advocacy was self-serving, not purely altruistic.
Wrong to hold it over the young one's heads.
[quote] I'm convinced that most who post here are closeted, older and unhappy. Which would explain the self-loathing, fear and cruelty.
I'm convinced you are a heinous cunt.
Not at all, R57.
I just don't mince words. Time's too short to waste on some Old Navy sweater folder who thinks s/he has the answers to everything.
[quote] Young people don't post here because DL is like a retirement village for middle aged gays who are single and don't have any real family or friends to speak of.
Because God knows, this is THE only site in ALL of THE ENTIRE INTERNET that is for gay men...right?
Fuck, DL is one of the FEW places gay men over 30 can gather and have a discussion. Unless DL starts having an age limit, or decides to break into two sites, y'all have to get over it.
Can someone change r55's diapers? He keeps leaving huge dumps on this thread.
[quote] DL is like a retirement village for middle aged gays who are single and don't have any real family or friends to speak of.
And you are so fabulously busy with your husband and all YOUR friends and family and yet you STILL have time to post here?
Have another bottom shelf, five dollar, smells like lemon Pledge belt of cheap vodka and tell me MORE about it.....
R55 - I think you're doing a little bit of history re-writing.
There was a well established gay rights movement well before the AIDS crisis.
In my own experience there were some men, like me, who were involved in gay activism. Then went on to also be involved in HIV/AIDSa activism and finally circling back just to LGBT civil rights.
HIV/AIDS hardly became the sole purpose of existing gay rights groups.
I can think of many friends whose courage to come out in the 1970s paved the way for men like me to have an easier time in the 80s - which eventually lead to today. Where as we have seen on this very board closeted men are held up to ridicule by those who probably never were in the closet.
I also know three men who paid for being out with their lives - and their deaths had nothing to do with AIDS.
Younger people are too bust texting and devouring Twitter. They are addicted to those pursuits. Have you ever seen a group of young people who do not check their phone messages every two minutes? Older people have posting on DL. Younger people text and tweet.
I like wearing my caftan.
R48, it's because over a third of the participants in this forum seem to be from NYC... home of the "take the stereotype for whoever or whatever you are, and dial it up to eleven" philosophy.
Thank you, R62, what you describe is the heavy price I was talking about at R53. I, too, remember life before AIDS. These kids have no idea what we went through. It's like a cartoon to them.
On some level, I'm glad. It's our triumph that they don't know and can't even imagine what it was like for us. I get irritated that they're so ignorant and disrespectful but I suppose that goes with the territory.
R55, you know nothing. Some AIDS victims actually were martyrs. Please do less typing.
That's an interesting perspective R24. I've never thought of it that way. As far as the reason this board tends to skew older, could it be that older people just have more free time spend here on DL? I'm 26 and I tend to post here in spurts because I don't have the time to post on a regular basis. I'm usually busy writing papers, working out/playing tennis, plans with friends....
I actually wish I had more time to spend here, I always learn something new even if it's something trivial. And I love that there are "What's My Line?" fans on this board. I also feel that younger and older gay men don't get the opportunity to interact very often so DL is good for that reason. I like to observe people and this is a great place to do that. I do wish that we had sign in names and that we could find a way to get rid of some of the nasty trolls that pollute this place.
No need for face pics and a familiar style for those used to 'newsgroups'. There is a certain cosiness to DL for a certain gay demographic.
Shaddup all of you. Matcock is on.
Don't hate me but you have to admit that there is a grain of truth to what R40 said. There are some very angry, bitter, nasty people who post here and it can make this place very depressing. There are some extremely bigoted, unhappy people who post here who completely fit R40's description, and they make this place very unpleasant. I'm aware that people like that tend to have very simple minds and are not particularly bright people. In real life I avoid these types like the plague, so it's awful to have encounter them here. What an empty life they must lead. DL is otherwise pretty great.
I am 29. Most of my younger gay friends have no idea what Stonewall is. They can't tell when a movie or song is a remake. The only reading they do is their facebook newsfeed. They were able to come out in their early teens and didn't get physically beaten for it. They are the generation. That inexplicably said "It Gets Better" to their own selves.
I know there are probably young intellectuals, but it is also a different world than the one I recently grew up in.
To prove OP's point, R51 is channelling Allen Ginsberg. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
I don't think anyone is suggesting that anyone under 30 on this board must know about old movies or music or TV shows. They are not *expected* to be interested in these subjects, or the very different life experiences that gay men older than them had in their lives.
What pisses me off with younger posters is the absolutism. There are 600 threads to peruse at any given time, and everyone should find the ones that appeal to them. But we get a post once a week (if not more) bitching and complaining about this issue. Where the OP is basically saying: if it didn't happen to me, or happen in my lifetime, it cannot have any value to anyone, anywhere at anytime. That's pretty self-centered and egocentric.
The absolutism is everywhere on line, not just here. If you have a music video on YouTube by Artist X, then the comments will be about how much better Artist X is than Artist Y, or Artist Z, et cetera and ad nauseum. It couldn't be that, you know, maybe all three are good, or all three suck. It's always no, X is THE QUEEN and all others must die!
I don't want younger posters to be gone from DL - or any other group - I think the more people that are on DL, the more interesting it is. I just want them to find their space here and not attack the rights of other ages to be here.
But the sentiment is NOT returned, because younger posters would have anyone over 35 banned in a second if they had the power to do so. And that speaks for itself.
R55, just what exactly do you want in return?
A huge percentage of young people simply can't express their ideas in print. They prefer to talk like dumb celebrities.
OP, you were 12 when I started coming here.
What R73 said.
Also, there's a certain wisdom and strength from gay men over 40. Any gay man alive over 40, I am convinced, is invincable, considering the odds of what we as a group have had to live through, whether closeted, out and proud self loathing etc. Our life experiences have taught us how to overcome all kinds of obstacles that newer generations will not have to face. I'm glad that many of those barriers are now gone, it's all of our victories, but their is a certain admiration and satisfaction when talking amongst the survivors.
"Younger people have lives."
Not at the Datalounge.
Only in the last handful of years have teens and 18-23 started to seem really young. I'm 39. I thought I was just like them, but a few years older. Something shifted. Suddenly, they seem insipid and homogenous. Their faces are buried in their electronics. They act like they own the world and screw you if you're in the way, because you don't matter. They don't communicate well. But mostly, their personalities are undeveloped, and what I see are early childhood types of outbursts that should have, by now, been conditioned out.
I apologize to the few younger people who are not that way. This is what I experience in general. I'm amazed at the arrogance and discounting of people even 5-10 years older.
Elders deserve reverence. We should be enjoying nuggets of wisdom (even if only as cautionary tales) and entertaining stories we don't otherwise have access to. Because it rounds us out and expands our horizons. It doesn't make sense to throw people away because they're older. It's true young people do this frequently, but not nearly as much as DL gays. It's too bad because there's a great beauty and joy to be relaxed into with aging. It's something to look forward to, not be terrified by.
Because young gays are out fuckin'.
R19 must be new here. And under 12.
R19 NAILS IT.
The only thing I would add is the obsession with masculinity and strict top/bottom bullshit. Only old people who aren't getting any go on and on about stuff like that.
[quote] The only thing I would add is the obsession with masculinity and strict top/bottom bullshit. Only old people who aren't getting any go on and on about stuff like that.
OH PLEASE BITCH, GET FUCKING REAL.
More mature men have already figured that shit out. It's all the under 25 crowd who is obsessed to the point of OCD about that shit, and about "I'm not gay, I just like men" and all sorts of other drab bullshit like that.
DL mirrors the dinner part circuit. Wot that? Well, before discos arrived in the early 70s the only way gay people socialised was via bars, beats & saunas. If you were coming out and wanted to meet new people you ended up at dinner table of older guys & sometimes very elderly guys. Elder gays still had social power then and young guys were forced to socialise with them because of it. However, because you were young and had no interesting conversation you were relegated to the end of the table until you learnt how to craft an anecdote and the fundamentals of wit. Discos slowed killed that. And now of course young guys can go straight to the apps to get what they want. These enable rigorous filtering of the older and fugly. They're the eugenics dream pioneered by gays. But with suddenly dramatically fewer opportunities to snare the young and pretty it has left the older and fugly totally at sea. For the first time in the history of homosexuality they're being ruthlessly excluded from the wider social pool. So, with less fucking, there's more time to vent.
And younger gays are losing out on the wit, charm, and sense of decorum, fashion, arts, etc... it's not like older gay guys are the only losers here. The younger gays are ignorant of their cultural heritage, and miss out on a good education in many, many ways.
[quote]And younger gays are losing out on the wit, charm, and sense of decorum, fashion, arts, etc...
Oh, Mary, get your smelling salts!
[quote] The younger gays are ignorant of their cultural heritage, and miss out on a good education in many, many ways.
That's not just young gays. That's everyone under 25. Stupidity is celebrated in this culture. If you know anything, or want to be a learned person, the knives come out for you.
Message boards and online communities in general have always skewed older.
Statistically they have always also heavily skewed female. Hence all the hausfraus who have seen the DL as a viable alternative to iVillage, and the frothing fangurls (mostly in their 30s and 40s) who see the DL as a viable alternative to LiveJournal-now-Tumblr, for over a decade now. And why most social media skews heavily female, too. Women like to commune and socialize online in groups.
[quote]Young guys should be out hooking up and LIVING.
But the young will not stay young forever. Hooking up and LIVING when he was young and hot (and sex on a stick) did not keep Bob Bergeron from eventually turning fifty. And we all know what happened to him then.
You somehow think Gandalf in a caftan could have saved Bob Bergeron from his value system?
You're ALL cunts!
[quote] DL mirrors the dinner part circuit. Wot that? Well, before discos arrived in the early 70s the only way gay people socialised was via bars, beats & saunas. If you were coming out and wanted to meet new people you ended up at dinner table of older guys & sometimes very elderly guys.
Who are you? Where are you from?
That the most ridiculous little story presented as gay history I've heard in quite awhile.
Contrary to R92's assertions, R84 has it exactly right.
But I would add that at that time, gay men were more isolated, and while it wasn't all holding hands and kumbaya (there was lots of bitchiness) the tolerance level was higher in our community - we protected our own.
That's all gone to shit. Whether that's bad or good is your interpretation. I valued learning from older gays when I was 19, but I also don't think we all need to get along because we all like cock. There's got to be more there for me to like someone.
r92, There was a land of Cavaliers and Etiquetteers and fabulous queers called the Old Days. Here in this pretty world, Gallantry took its last bow. Here was the last ever to be seen of place settings and their table linens fair, of Parker and Capote. Look for it only in books, for it is no more than a dream remembered, a civilization gone with the wifi.
People Googling to check the latest Luise Rainer, Joan Fontaine and Olivia de Havilland news?
How appropriate to make up fairy tales and call them gay history.
Watch "And The Band Played On..." for starters.
[quote]Elder gays still had social power then and young guys were forced to socialise with them because of it. However, because you were young and had no interesting conversation you were relegated to the end of the table until you learnt how to craft an anecdote and the fundamentals of wit.
It hasn't changed one iota for young tricks wanting to socialize with rich and powerful gays. Youngsters fantasize that they have power when they never really do. They are desirable enough so that powerful men compete *with each other* to fuck them.
If a young trick proves lazy, difficult or demanding, he is discarded. Another pretty young thing is always waiting in the wings, hoping to be taken up.
R96 is a denialist. It didn't happen to HER, so it never happened to ANYONE, ever.
This has been the most entertaining thread I've read here in weeks!
Thanks to both the dinner party circuit gays AND the refreshing younger gays for all the anecdotes.
Now can we please get back to discussing inconsistencies on Golden Girls? J/k
I could have authored r5.
This board offers a younger person a taste of culture, wit, and general panache of the past generations of gay men and women. The cultural references are brilliant because they serve as a lesson in anthropology and our own history as gay people. So, bring on the soaps and the divas and the feuding/aging actress discussion - I love it.
Many posters here have their druthers, as it were, and can pontificate on politics, literature, and society in ways that only those with experience can do. Like attracts like, which is why the DL appears to skew older - I cannot contribute the way an older poster can, but I can learn from them. Don't be surprised if there aren't others like me.
Having just spent the last half hour reading this thread and then googling 'Bob Bergeron suicide' (was fucked up and careening out of control for most of 2012 which is how I missed that), I think my experience kinda sums it up. It took a half an hour to read. No pictures. Many points of view. Not easily digestible. But worthwhile in the end.
47. Been here since '97. Glad it's still here. Still worth my time.
Bless you R102. You get it.
I laugh at all the elderly gays here patting themselves on the back for being so witty and open-minded.
Also, half the "young people" here are just old fucks pretending to be young. And they're not very good at it.
R79, the problem with younger gays not respecting the elder gays is because of the nature of the gay community. Not all middle aged gay men lust after the 20-somethings, but enough of them do that it violates generational boundaries. If friendships could be established without the element of sex, you would probably see a lot more mutual respect both ways. Now before you go saying that it's all in the younger guy's head, if you do a casual glance through this forum or have been to any gay bar/club in the last 10 years, middle aged/older gays worship youth and beauty just as much as the younger gays. This ties back into the resentment by the older crowd who feel that because they aren't fucking hot young guys anymore, somehow it the YOUNGER guys who are shallow and ageist, oblivious to their own hypocrisy.
I am a swinging 36 year old. I do not feel young, but I definitely don't feel old - if I had to identify, I'd say young but not middle-aged yet. (I consider that 45-55.)
1 we are not working endless shifts in fast food joints; and
2.we are not busy with our algebra homework.
I've been coming here since 1999 when I was barely in my 30s.
I find it hilarious how many of you elder gays are proudly and pompously praising yourselves for your "wit" and "culture" while at any given moment, two threads above or below this one, you're masturbating to videos of anonymous frat guys lighting fires with their flatulence. Lord knows most of you probably say less than two words to a "younger gay" on a monthly basis, so you're making ridiculous generalizations on the strength of observations of strangers in public. All the while, if one of those "younger gays" were to offer up his hole or peen, you'd gobble it up in an instant. Meanwhile, "wit" and "culture" seem to be best defined here as finding "cute" ways of assuming every male celebrity you want to fuck is gay.
Dayum Hilder, that is a big bowl of bitter up there!
Damn, Hilder, you okay over there?
[quote] you're masturbating to videos of anonymous frat guys lighting fires with their flatulence.
I honestly don't recall ever having done that, nor having ever seen something like that.
You're a naive little thing, aren't you, Hilder?
Why would we wait for some trick to offer when we can buy, sell and trade the ones we want, whenever we want?
Of course R112 speaks far too much truth for our elderly gays can handle.
[quote]Elders deserve reverence.
They WERE revered in the old days because they were oracles of knowledge, wisdom, and history. Younger generations had no choice but to sit at their feet and learn the ways of the tribe. Not so anymore. So much information is available instantly on the internet. Anything you want to know, just Google it. Any young gays want to learn about Stonewall? No problem, just do an internet search and within seconds you can have articles, documentaries, interviews, books.
I rarely have to ask my elderly parents (early 70's) for advice about anything. The last time I did was over a year ago because I wanted an old family recipe. They are the ones calling on me for help and advice these days.
Im in the under 30 portion of DL posters. Ive been posting here for seven years, and I feel like I deserve honorary elder status for putting up with you elder bitches! I've learned that DLers are very regimented, and like their topics presented to them in a certain way, which might be unappealing to the younger crowd. The elders also have pretty lame tastes in men as r22 said (it's really noticeable if you are under 30) But whatever. You guys make up for it with your gay wisdom.
I love the site because it is incredibly anonymous, that is the main draw for me. You don't have to hold back for fear that that someone will attack you later. You can also discuss events and people for way longer here than at other boards. Most of the internet only discusses what is happening today or this week and they move on. Here, we slowly pick apart and judge every trivial detail about everything, for weeks or years if we want, just like homosexuals should!
R112, it's kind of hilarious, in that case, that you spend enough time on DL to know (project) all that.
I think most pathetic of all are the people who frequent any site only to rag on and rage at it.
(Except for myself; I find my own irritation with this place completely reasonable and logical, given how much it's changed, and not for the better, since I found it after IHSG in 1998 or 1999.)
I agree with paragraph 2, R119. I like the anonymity. I wouldn't speak so freely if i knew all my posts were easily aggregated and remembered.
I also like a slower pace and more detailed dissection. hah
"Enough time," R120, to discover those things here is like 30 minutes max.
Wow young people being disrespectful to older people and older people talking about the good old day when the youngsters used to respect them.
Welcome to the real world folks.
Some of the friends my age (late 20s) who know that I post here make fun of me for posting at such a low-tech, boring looking website. FWIW, I post at City-Data and Reddit; two other mostly text-only sites. Meanwhile, they're hooked to Facebook and Youtube and Tumblr (lots of graphics and videos and loud stimuli).
I'm more of a 'reader' I guess and they're more visually-oriented.
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I always figured that younger people weren't literate.
Fuck you OP.
There's some good insight on this thread. I want to thank all of you for such an entertaining website. And for those of you in your 20's and 30's enjoy your youth because you'll find life flies by quickly (pun intended).
Because they are the only ones who can express themselves cogently and then formulate those thoughts using complete paragraphs...all without making numerous spelling and grammatical errors.
Too true, r129!
Yes [R129], Judy Garland vs. Bonanza marches on to an inevitable 200 responses.
Is there a site like DL that caters to a younger, less frigid crowd? Please let me know, as my membership here expires in three days and I'd love to move on if possible.
Reddit is the place for the young.
Thanks, R133...I guess I'll have to figure out how to use that site. Tired of people killing my buzz here.
Where do the gays hang out on Reddit? I'm still finding my way around that site.
Reddit doesn't appear to be anonymous...it keeps wanting me to create a username.
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In my case, I was working or chasing men full time. No way would I have had time to DL or even play Internet for that matter. Thank heavens we didn't have it. All that dick I would have missed out on.
Really, this thread should have been closed with R112, who speaks the TRUTH.
It skews even more feminine, girly.
It's midnight on Saturday. Think back to your mid-twenties. Would you have been at home typing into a television set?
I still would like to kick R112 in the cunt for her grandstanding flim-flam - the fact is that younger creatures are, unfortunately, passive, entitled, dull and poorly educated. And all the lazy prattle about how older guys want to fuck them isn't going to change the fact that today's younger people are well on their way to being tomorrow's vapid, useless wastes of breath.
Some of you elder gays are so deluded it's sad.
You pat yourselves on the back for your supposed wisdom, and said wisdom mainly concerns stars from 50 years ago you want to fuck.
Elder gays are ruining DL.
This thread has taken a nasty turn, as usual.
It's what we do R146. Well some of us, I'm a nice DL'er. Gosh your hair looks nice today.
There could well have been some form of DL back when I was young and still in the game, some solitary activity where old maids and other losers typed away about their misery.
Of course, the result would have been wadded up sheets of paper on the floor and many tears.
I would have had no clue about the existence of this activity. Now I do.
R145 is correct.
What R144 said
[quote]Elder gays are ruining DL.
Honey, Elder Gays ARE the DL.
Not only does it skew older, but it skews extremely feminine, non-Christian/atheist, and stereotypical. I think it is because gossip is not gonna attract a lot of very masculine youngish jock bros. The subjects discussed here don't have appeal to mainstream dudes.
I'm 27. Not young anymore, but I wouldn't consider myself old by any means either.
I'm 20. A lot of the bullshit about youngergays is just that--bullshit by people who are having to deal with the fact that the world's passing them by.
But I still like you old fags. Maybe I'll even decide to respond to your hundreds of messages and fuck you one day.
[quote]gossip is not gonna attract a lot of very masculine youngish jock bros. The subjects discussed here don't have appeal to mainstream dudes.
How awful! If there's one group I love to talk with as a group of disembodied voices, it's masculine youngish jock bros. They have so much to say and are always so articulate.
You've seen it all when you read a post made by a 92 year-old in which he discusses butt fucking and how clean his anus is.
I started reading DL when I was a junior in college.
Oh dear,I come here the mostly to be read for me spelling.
Younger gays use shorter non-interactive apps. They care not about others' opinions, just the picture of their breakfast.
R40 - check yes to middle aged, single, family-less, bathroom sex. Preference for married men, bitterness and resentment? I don't think so.
Because my friend circle is fairly high-achieving middle aged singles, gay and straight, I frankly have little interest in the younger gays and their interests or aspirations, Nothing of interest has come up on my radar though I do have two younger fuckbuddies.
I belong to a different time but do I feel envious or bitter? I really haven't thought about it much. If DL didn't skew older I wouldn't come here.
It skews older because young people don't hang around. They're like drive-by shooters. They look at a thread, see someone whose outlook is different, call them a "piece of sh!t" and leave.
[quote]I think it is because gossip is not gonna attract a lot of very masculine youngish jock bros. The subjects discussed here don't have appeal to mainstream dudes.
Some of you old fucks are so ridiculous.
I've been posting on DL since I was 19, im 25 now. If anything this site has made me realize that older gays and people in general can be just as fucked up as young idiots. I've taken some posters here to task over various topics involving age, only to be called an asshole, cunt or bitch. But I still like coming back because there is a lot of wisdom here and it's engaging topic specific. The site is also less about pop culture now than it was a few years ago, the posters are getting older and tend to only discuss gay related topics. And a lot of you are racist which makes young people uncomfortable.
ETA - I did initially come for the younger gays.
Since I have little interaction with them IRL I was interested in what they were interested in.
My interest in the younger is minimal because I find them very conservative. (I can think of one area where I thought there was an encouraging sign of life but that got slammed down by the young themselves.
Still, over all, it's an interesting site than say gawker. I've found few sites about gay culture that is not about hooking up now that the sex monkey is not on my back anymore.