They probably should stop doing that.. I agree. Especially once the museum opens. The new building is up and looks great, we must movie on, but not forget.
I was born in 74 and 9/11 is now the exact amount of time as JFKs assassination was from my birth.
Watching CNN, and the 9/11 coverage still gives me chills. I'd never heard the perspective from the air traffic controllers on this particular show.
I was a senior in college when it happened.
I was watching "American Psycho" today and the twin towers were in two scenes. They always loom creepy.
There has to be a great disaster film made about 9/11, like "The Towering Inferno". The ones so far have been wan and too flag-wavy.
Get out your calculator, R7! In 1974, the JFK assassination was eleven years prior. In 2013, 9/11 was twelve years ago.
You're wrong, Alicia.
A "long ago era?" Really? Because it's, you know, only twelve years ago. I bet the 1980's really blow your mind. Wow, did they have electricity then?
R5 Yes, it's wrong. It might be insignificant to you, but you can overlook it. The victims' families don't have that luxury. In time, it will transition from raw wound to history. But those who died due to the cowardly muslim zealots ate stilled grieved, and that grief has a public component.
How does this tradition negatively impact you in any consequential way?
How am I wrong? 1974-1963 = 11 and 2013-2001 = 12. Numbers don't lie.
And call me Mrs. Florrick.
[quote]cowardly muslim zealots
Why do people insist they were cowardly?
By exactly what standard?
For example if they were cowardly - what does that make the US, figure in the use of drones into the equation?
I have to admit, other than the reflecting waterfall things, I have ZEEO interest in this hundreds-of-millions of dollars boondoggle of a museum/memorial. They are of course selling YEARLY memberships for reduced admission to it! A private "not-for-profit" (my ass!) has already been set up soaking people and the government for millions to build the damn thing, and then to view the day-of-carnage treats will cost $30 bucks or so! Such a fucking scam upon which seemingly lots of people are getting rich. Sickening.
R15 Males who cut the throats of stewardesses and fly terrified 4 year old girls and their mothers into buildings are cowards.
R17 - really?
Again what's the standard you are measuring by?
The sky was so blue that day...
Atta was clearly a closeted, self-loathing gay, right? Left instructions that no woman was to touch his corpse, and was touchy about his junk. What a filthy Goddamned closet queen
Some less important things do fade rather quickly from one generation to the next. My 7 year-old granddaughter just asked the other day, "Who's Okra Winfrey?" Just because something was important in our generation doesn't necessarily make it so for the next.
However, there are things that should not be forgotten. The Holocaust was one. My family is not Jewish; nevertheless, Jews were not the only ones that suffered during that horrible era, but they did suffer the greatest.
September 11, 2001 is another date that should not be forgotten by Americans. For those callous whiners complaining that it's basically tedious to listen to all of the names repeated yet again, you'll probably take comfort in the thought that another tragedy may one day strike and a whole new set of names will have to be read.
How sad that some humans now have the attention span of a fruitfly; always in search of the next interesting tweet...or thread. Goodness.
What are you talking about, R18?
Those who act aggressively towards those who can't defend themselves are cowards.
Flying airplanes into buildings is cowardly.
I'd be surprised if they read the names live on TV again.
R13 needs to get a life.
But its his GRAAAVVEEEE!
OP is an insatiable bottom.
[quote]How does this tradition negatively impact you in any consequential way?
Grief-porn impacts us all.
I just love those Let's Roll® Cinnamon Rolls! They taste like freedom!
Read r7 carefully. She makes sense whatsoever. 9/11 is now the exact amount of time? 24 hours? I think she means "It's been the exact amount of time since 9/11 etc.." but that's not what she says.
I work across the street- directly across- from the site and every damn year on the anniversary, they play bagpipes. Enough with the damn bagpipes. Why are they even used? How are they even significant?
The site is now a tourist trap, with hordes of fat flyovers waddling about. I would hate to live/work in that area.
I can't wait until the true test of time passing occurs - when they do a TV movie of 9/11 in period costumes, but with all the actresses and actors wearing their hair in whatever is the contemporary fashion for when the filming occurs.
R33, it will be filmed in Toronto or Vancouver.
2001 is so 12 years ago. Next!
[quote]High School seniors class of 2014 were in kindergarden on 9/11. First week of school for most of them.
Uh, huh. And?
r21 is such a stupid Frau.
[quote]Males who cut the throats of stewardesses and fly terrified 4 year old girls and their mothers into buildings are cowards.
Oh, brother. Honey, stop trying to make 9/11 happen again. Get a grip, and get a life. You're insufferable. No doubt you're single and fat.
I think bagpipes are associated with the Fire Department somehow.
r31, I think maybe the bagpipes are traditional for funerals of firefighters and police officers who die in the line of duty.
Even out here in Seattle, when they show photos or video of those types of funerals on the news, there's a bagpipe player included.
R17 for some reason thinks that the radical Islamic women complicit in the violence but too lazy to actually do anything overt, letting the men do all the work, somehow absolve themselves by their sloth.
Ridiculous. It wasn't a male thing, and acting as if only women were cut and incinerated is typical female know-nothingness. The great majority of people who died were men, and if women hadn't ditched their children in day-care very few children would have been harmed.
R17=Your standard fat frau fundie fail.
"if women hadn't ditched their children in day-care very few children would have been harmed."
Are you saying there was a day-care center in the twin towers or Pentagon where children died? I'd never heard that - I thought all the children who died on 9/11 were passengers on the planes.
I was listening to Howard Stern's 9/12/01 show on YouTube earlier today, and one of the callers was bitching because a local gas station was "gauging" customers by upping the price of gas by $.25 to $1.30. My how things have changed.
[quote] fly terrified 4 year old girls and their mothers into buildings
I get the sentiment, but your phrasing is hilarious.
I think the monument is a waste of money too. It should have been replaced by a hundred story shopping mall, with each floor being a repeating set of McDonalds Starbucks and CVS's over and over. On top should have been a thrill ride simulating a plane crashing into the building.
On the ground floor you could have video booths that you could simulate cry and then watch yourself grieve publicly on a giante screen. You could have a bring your on gun day for target practice on Gitmo prisoners. They would kill two birds with one stone!!!
Gawd bless 'Merica
And damn them muzlims to hell
LOL R47 made me laugh
[quote] you could simulate cry and then watch yourself grieve publicly on a giante screen.
That...would actually be very popular...and plausible.
9/11 still feels relatively recent to me. It just blows my mind that there are now grown men and women who were very young children when it happened and can barely remember it. Doesn't seem possible that that much time has gone by...
Liza Minnelli who was drinking at the time and quite heavy (she had just performed for that Michael Jackson tribute) turned on her TV that morning and thought she was watching Steve McQueen and Faye dunaway in "The Towering Inferno."
 here again. Forgot that for the opening Miley Cyrus can blow fireworks out her twat, while robin thicke and beyonce get all sxy singing the national anthem.
"Enough with the damn bagpipes. Why are they even used?"
Well, they started with accordions but it just didn't seem right.
Does anyone else remember we had the longest stretch of perfect weather for weeks before and after 9/11? Sunny, 70s, not a cloud in the sky for weeks it seemed. That never happens in this part of the country and hasn't happened since.
Can someone with a membership please start our annual "The sky was so blue that day ..." thread?
I look forward to it every year. It's become my favorite American tradition.
"cowardly muslim zealots"
Never heard Dick Cheney described that way.
Oh R54, I remember that stretch of weather vividly - I believe there was maybe one night of rain in the months after the attacks.
The sky was so blue is of course a DL cliché, but I remember it as being especially cruel, because the sky may have been blue but it was accompanied by such a harsh smell, here in Brooklyn. NYC is beyond glorious in the fall, and nobody wanted to go out or do anything.
There was a HUGE storm system that came through Sept. 9 or 10. I think planes were grounded. Which is partially why it was so clear on the 11th.
Yes, r58, I thought it had rained sometime in the couple of days beforehand.
maybe they'll get a CGI studio to update teh footage, like they did with the moon landings.
check the frontpage, r55. your wish has be granted...
Thank you, r61!
And right on time, r1 is bitching about it.
Oh, I love a good tradition.
Can anyone explain the "But it's his GRAAAAVE!" reference that I keep seeing on every single 9/11 thread?
"Flying Four Year Old" ....thanks for a much needed laugh this morning.
r63, think about it.
I get that someone evidently didn't want anything built on that spot, but is there a specific story/thread that I missed regarding it??
The summer before the planes hit,the news was obsessed with shark attacks and Chandra Levy.
And Lizzie Grubman's drunk driving in the Hamptons.
Was it all so simple then?
And we've circled back, R67 and R68.
Look at the hoopla over Trayvon and Miley.
Fashion wise almost nothing has changed since 2001, most current fashion is 60s/70s/80s retro like it has been since the mid 90s.
On the other hand, if you compare how people looked in 1960 vs how they looked in 1970 there's a huge difference. Same with 1970 and 1980.
I kind of wish it had happened a decade later so that we could have a million different views of the disaster filmed from every angle imaginable by everyone and their sister with a smartphone playing paparazzi/newsman.
"Sex and the City" has two towers, too.
Only if they had Twitter then...
"Males who cut the throats of stewardesses..."
Are you aware that "stewardesses" are called FLIGHT ATTENDANTS now, granny?
Not the ones who had their throats slashed, R73.
They're called ASHES now.
R31, I hate the sound of bagpipes because of 9/11. So many funerals over those months afterwards. They all had the damn bagpipes. Cantor Fitzgerald's traders were mostly Irish. Then the cops and firefighters had to have bagpipes at their funerals. I used to walk to work and that was a very warm autumn and a mild winter. I was always walking along hearing bagpipes on my way to work.
I remember I had to cancel my birthday party. It worked out for the best, though, as it made my 21st birthday bash the following year seem even more special.
When did we stop commemorating on TV for hours Pearl Harbor Day?
Oh, that's right; we never started (never mind in 1953).
I also get that "dated" feeling watching the footage. Dated isn't the right word but I can't think of a better one right now. It wasn't that long ago but good lord, look at everything that's happened since then. That's what really makes me sad. All the things that have changed since then, yet Americans are worse off now. It should have been the opposite. We should have learned and grown from the experience. We should have come together as a nation. Instead, we've got more wing-nuttery than ever. More fear-mongering, more violence, less affluence, more ruthlessness.
It all happened so fast...
Yea, but the stock market is ROARING, R78!!!
All this carrying on about 9/11 -- I'm starting to wish that it had never happened.
Wow, R80, just...wow.
You wish 9/11 had never happened solely because of the fuss that's made over it?
Sweetheart, you're a sociopath.
[quote] Does anyone else remember we had the longest stretch of perfect weather for weeks before and after 9/11? Sunny, 70s, not a cloud in the sky for weeks it seemed
It rained 2 days after 9/11 and did not rain again until March. It was an unbelievably dry, mild winter. The temps rarely went below the low 40s. I was Glad because the city got so quiet in the aftermath that it seemed too creepy to sit indoors. I walked all winter, day and night and so did all my friends.
I lived Ian apt where I had a direct flight path to LaGuardia visible from my living and dining room windows. I never realized how attuned I was to planes flying up the East River on their way to land at LaGuardia until it stopped. I could tell whenever there was another threat because they would shut shut down air traffic around the city. The skies would become empty and quiet. It was so not-NYC.
I wonder how many people who made it out of the buildings are unemployed today? Obviously not the Praetorian Guard -- aka NYPD and FDNY -- but office workers and others.
To be fair, R83, the cheapest, crappiest 9/11 grief merchandise was sold by Chinese immigrants hawking tee shirts and picture books. Their way was worse than ours.
R83 So true.
R13 I lost a family member on 0/11, my gay cousin John.
But enough already. The observance of 9/11 has become vulgar in so many ways. One example: today some gentleman read names then choked out the name of his deceased uncle. In his tribute to his uncle he sobbed "even though I never met you.."
The American way of grief was hijacked and bested by a European named Tania Head.
R86, if you're so over it why did you watch the reading of the names? I was there that day and never watched any 9/11 commemoration name-reading things on tv. On 9/11/02 I made sure I was out of NYC because I didn't want to hear or see it.
R86 Because it can't be avoided. It's everywhere, every bloody channel on every TV and radio station. It's the National Day of Grief Porn.
Another issue to consider is that the more the USA grieves the harder those who hate the USA laugh and view 9/11 as a tremendous achievement.
I haven't watched any of it in 11 years, R86. I have this thing called the Internet where I can read and watch what I want. I'm not a slave to old media. In fact, my tv set is off most of the time, unless I'm watching Netflix or On Demand.
TV is full of garbage, especially what they pass off as "news." If you watch that crap, don't be surprised that you're seeing crap.
R90 In my line of work we have international news stations in multiple languages running 24/7. So while your little life tucked away in your mom's basement with your Netflix may sound very appealing most of us have a life.
Funny, R91, trying to make someone such as yourself who watched the reading if 9/11 names cool. As if international news bothers to broadcast such a thing.
R69, what kind of blithering idiot must you be to compare news stories about Miley Cyrus with news stories about Trayvon Martin?
I'm with 93.
I guess I don't see what the OP is referring to. The past two decades have been kind of a fashion rut. Plus you mostly saw white collar workers and emergency workers in the footage and that attire is slow to change. I was surprised to see as many mustaches on the men. I had recalled van dykes being more the facial hairstyle of the time.
Ever since the late 90s, fashions have changed very little. Looking at photos of people from a decade or more ago, they're all in styles that are still worn today.
Maybe George Lucas can re-master it with updated special effects.
^^ like the moon landing.
I think everything looks dated because it was filmed on VHS tape.
"Outrage as man 'defaces 9/11 memorial decorating it with cut-outs of crashing planes on 12th anniversary of the tragedy'"
Get this: he was charged with *criminal damage to a historic building* - for sticking cardboard cut-outs on it!