If you are in Canada, the Live Clean line is wonderful. Vegan, no preserves, etc. I love the current Live Clean Professional line - Healthy Balance shampoo has really thickened my hair and keeps it nice and healthy looking.
If you are in America, I believe you can purchase Live Clean products at Walgreens.
Pantene coats your hair.
Try Suave Professional line.
Body on Tap or Pert Plus
Nothing purchased in a supermarket or drug store will treat your hair properly. I'm a strlist and I swear by three shamps/conditioners: Wella, Sebastian, and Circle Of Friends. The COF is a childrens line but is very effective on adult hair, especially the banana formula. Mop is pretty good organic line, too. Yes, pro shamp/conditioner is more expensive, but it also lasts longer. If you're using more than anything the size of a quarter (and that's very generous) to lather your hair you're washing your money down the drain. A good tip is to use your pro shampoo for 10 days, then a cheapie like White Rain from the $1 store for 2 days to remove the build-up, then go back to your pro for another 10 days. This cycle will remove product build up, as well anything environmental, and allow your shampoo and conditioners to treat your hair rather than sit on top of layers of build-up. In the end, using pro cleansing products on your hair is more economical. Drug store shampoos are loaded with waxes, fillers, derogetory oils, silicone, and do nothing but weight down your hair and prevent styling prods from being effective.
And stay away from that Wen crap.
Crap? Bitch, please.
Herbal Essences Hello Hydration Shampoo and Conditioner. Or, Suave Almond and Shea Butter Shampoo and Conditioner.
is it really called Hello Hydration?
I love that. So welcoming.
I've used Pantene for a decades, is it really bad!? I have great hair, but that's just genes?
ABBA detox shampoo. Find it on Amazon.
I don't use any sham poo.
I use real poo.
I'm a guy with short hair and I've used everything from the expensive salon stuff to the $1 shit from the drugstore, and honestly it's all the same. I have the kind of hair that's naturally soft so I can use anything. I think if you don't have "problem" hair and your hair is just normal, you can use just about anything.
I like the Organix line, particularly the Biotene/Collagen volumizer, which not only does the job but smells great, too!
You should use only Kerastase products.
I rotate Pantene, Finesse, and Herbal Essences. All are good.
Aussie, or panteen.
I've been using panteen since I was a teen!
I have really thin, fine hair and I find the Aussie volumizing shampoo does the best job of making the most of what little hair I have left. I also follow r12's excellent advice of switching off to a different shampoo (Garnier Fructus because that's what I have in the house right now) for a couple of days every two weeks or so and it really sort of "wakes up" my hair.
OP: Buy anything that causes others to wonder aloud "Does she or doesn't she?"
We know you do.
Cheryl, you need to try Gee, Your Pussy Smells Terrific.
PRELL and only PRELL. And make sure you pick a bottle with a big pearl in it.
It is expensive, but once you use it you will never go back to anything else
I have been using Wen for a year and my hair has totally changed. I have always had very fine blonde hair. In the last 12 months my hair has gotten twice as thick and looks as if I blow dry it using a smoothing serum when I get out of the shower, very smooth, silky and shiny, all I do is let it air dry.
Wen is an amazing product. I cannot recommend it enough.
With Wen, don't you have to use a ton of product each time you wash? That's what scares me about it.
r29 Okay, shill.
R29 = Sells Wen and Herbalife for a lousy, second rate life.
Depends on how much hair you have
I have short hair and I use 3 pumps per wash
With Wen you cleanse the hair twice, first time to clean and second to condition
A bottle of Wen goes a lot further than you would think
I cannot say enough good things about Wen, my hair is totally transformed. I get a lot of compliments on how healthy and shiny it is
Nope not a shill, I actually use the product
I actually buy my Wen from QVC. My mom bought me my first bottle after she used it for a while and loved it. Now I am hooked.
I don't sell Wen and I do not make any money for recommending the product.
In my original post, I actually directed the OP to the official website for the product
Joico Daily Care Balancing Shampoo.
Use stylist brands, anything you get in a drug store or Target will destroy your hair.
r36 So, you're fucking Chaz Dean, then? Unofficially on the payroll?
Why would anyone buy shampoo from a fly-by-night mail order company?
WEN caused me major hair loss.
Chaz Dean's face makes me uncomfortable. Plus, he wears his tie OVER his closed vest-that's just whack.
Suave Damage Care Shampoo and Conditioner
Wen made my testes shrink to those of a four year old boy.
Shave off that ugly shit, OP.
Neutrogena build-up remover
Burt's Bees Grapefruit, but seems to be discontinued
Some kind of hot oil periodically.
What was the great-smelling green apple shampoo?
As for the Wen crap, how the hell can ANY shampoo literally make your hair fibers thicker? NO shampoo can do that. That's impossible, any hairstylist and derm, with a more advanced knowledge of hair, will tell your that.
There is a new Pantene Pro-Age serum which supposedly penetrates the hair shaft, it was tested in clinical trials and their claim, with long term use, it supposedly builds up thinning hair fibers. It's about $20+ at most drugstores.
Sure, volume shampoos can make your hair appear fuller, but it can never make the fibers literally thicker!
Wen is basically like washing you hair with a conditioner! Don't even get me started on needing so much to wash your hair, what a scam.
I know two women who use it, I haven't seen any changes in their hair since they started using Wen about three years ago.
I can't believe anyone here would use drugstore products for personal care. Is this really a gay site?
I've tried Organix, it supposedly has no SLS in it, but it does get sudsy but not overly so. Organix gets my hair clean and makes it look fuller.
I'm a guy, I wear my hair long-ish, I haven't had any problems with lack of body or dryness.
Organix comes in many formulas for different types of hair and hair textures. No one should have a problem finding the type they need. The Collagen-Biotin and the Berry-Avocado formulas are great for normal and fine hair which needs body.
Dove's clear shampoo for Volume was also fantastic, but when Dove changed the bottle design, they also changed the formula a few years ago. I now scope out the discount stores looking for the old Dove volume formula.
I can't find the new Dove Volume formula, this is the womens line I'm talking about. I can't even find a Volume formula in the mens Dove line. The drugstores only seem to carry the Dove Mens Dandruff formula.
r48 I've used both drugstore soaps and shampoos on my skin/hair as well as high-end boutique stuff and honestly I couldn't tell a difference. I got out of the high-end racket and only buy the drugstore stuff now. It's exactly the same on my skin/hair.
All good people know that any form of racism, prejudice, oppression, and discrimination is exclusionary and vile. Examine your deep feelings of hate and learn to overcome them.
Sorry, meant to say "Pureology."
"I've used Pantene for a decades, is it really bad!? I have great hair, but that's just genes?"
Unfortunately, Pantene is not the same shampoo it was when it was sold in small size clear bottles with silver caps in high end department stores behind their counters.
Years ago, Pantene was made by the drug company Hoffmann-LaRoche. I'm not sure who bought Pantene after that, but today's formula is not even the same shampoo it was back in the 1980s. I can't even count how many companies have owned Pantene over the year. I think it's now owned by Unilever.
As a young boy, I used my mom's expensive Pantene, it used to be great, not anymore. Back then Pantene was not sold in drugstores.
Today's version of Pantene is awful, as are most shampoos with too much SLS, the strong sudsing agent. No ones hair gets so dirty they need all that super sudsing action, think about it.
Unless you are digging ditches or have a job where your hair gets super dirty, no one needs the amount of SLS which is added to most shampoos.
Organix--nothing organic about it and contains paraben (wax).
I've read horror stories about Wen and major hair loss--does anyone know why?
I like the Costco Kirkland stuff becaus it is sulfate free, paraben free, gluten free, vegan and not tested on animals. No harsh scent, either.
Does anyone else like the Costco stuff?
I use the green Garnier Fructis. I have fairly normal, thick hair and it seems to do the job.
I once did a 6 month TV commercial and magazine spread on the hairgrowing product, Proceede, in the 90s. I thought it was great smelling stuff and made my hair shiny. Not sure if it is still available.
Try Redken or Paul Mitchell. Both are affordable salon quality lines.
Not really cheap but I use Nioxin shampoo and conditioner. It makes my hair feel thicker and smooth. Don't wash every day but do wet it. I only wash every 3 days or so.
Suave and Alberto are as good as any high-priced shampoo.
A bar of Ivory soap. If it was good enough for Granma, then it's good enough for me. btw, Gee, Your Hair Smells Terrific is available from The Vermont Country Store.
Suave almond and shea butter is great. Highly silky and moisturizing. Pantene has sodium lauryl sulfate in it. Never use this. Or alberto vo5. Same issue with this one. Its a really harsh detergent.
Save money, use your body wash.
Nioxin, but its a little pricy.
Depends on what kind of water your home has. Water plays a big role in what your hair looks like.
Redken? Affordable? They've doubled their prices in the last few years.
Does taking biotin help?
Depends on your age and gender. Once a woman becomes menopausal, no shampoo or conditioner is better than another.
I LOVE Oribe Signature Conditioner- smells so good. Such a rip off but its so pretty smelling and leaves my hair soft..
LOVE LOVE LOVE Kiehls Amino Acid Shampoo because it smells like coconut.
I also use Serge Normant products, very good stuff. Probably the best of anything I use..
One of most NASTY pricey products are Sachajuan products. They make my hair feel like brillo. I read the ingredients and they are loaded with chemicals. For 8 ounces of shampoo at $30.00 a pop, I expect more. What garbage.
Fell's Naptha. My dad used it everyday of his adult life and died at 85 with a full head of hair.
You can get Nioxin (and other professional shampoos for that matter) for great prices at Winners and Homesense.
Sick joke! 'Prell'
Joico moisturizing is the best shampoo I've ever used. But I don't want to spend that much money for shampoo anymore, so I just buy store brands now. The new line by L'Oreal, which they feature on Project Runway, is good.
[quote]Years ago, Pantene was made by the drug company Hoffmann-LaRoche. I'm not sure who bought Pantene after that, but today's formula is not even the same shampoo it was back in the 1980s. I can't even count how many companies have owned Pantene over the year. I think it's now owned by Unilever.
You don't know what you are talking about. P&G bought it in 1985 and has owned it ever since.
Why use shampoo? Use real poo.
Biotin makes your hair beautiful shiny healthy. It also fucks up your nails
[quote]Biotin makes your hair beautiful shiny healthy. It also fucks up your nails
Huh? Biotin doesn't fuck up your nails, it helps them grow and hardens them. He helps the keratin which is in both your hair and nails.
My mom, who has always been a health freak, has taken Biotin capsules for years, she takes 5000mcg a day! She swears it has saved her hair. She's an old lady but still has a full head of thick hair.
IT helps the keratin which is in both your hair and nails.
[quote]You don't know what you are talking about. P&G bought it in 1985 and has owned it ever since.
It doesn't really matter who the hell bought Pantene...I REPEAT, it is NOT the same luxury brand it was back in the 1970s, when it was sold at counters in high end department stores.
Even the Pantene in the early 1980s, was better than it is now. I'd buy European Pantene at the old Liquidators in the Village, Euro Pantene better than the US Pantene. The British Pantene had a Balsam shampoo which was fantastic.
Today's Pantene is a very harsh detergent filled shampoo. Period.
When Pantene were called Pantresse they had a fantastic clear setting lotion out which my sister swore by. It was called Reinforcer. People were always complimenting her on her shiny thick hair.
Not only did this product keep in a set, she also used it when she wore her hair straight, it made her hair look and feel much thicker and her hair was always super shiny.
This product came in small glass vials, in Fine, Dry and Normal formulas, it was easy to find at beauty supply shops and even Ricky's in the Village used to carry it. In fact, she'd buy it in quantity and get it at deep discounts. IIRC, it was over $1.50 a vial.
Why Pantene discontinued such a great product, which worked, is behind me, yet they continue producing sub-par hair harsh products.
I used Pantene for forty years, but it turned my hair gray.
Sigh, troll @ R85, NO shampoo turns hair gray. Go away. TIA.
I actually work for QVC and you would not believe the amount of money spend on WEN. The will easily spend $70-80 a pop. I tried the Fig and still would use regular shampoo each 3 or 4 washes. To me my hair would feel like it had no life and would be oily. I went back to Redken and Aveda. I ordered Wella due to one of the earlier comments.
R86, you cretin, did you notice that R86 sites using the stuff for 40 years, clearly making a somewhat lame joke about the cause of his/her gray hair? Your ostensible world-weary sophistication just reveals your stupidity.
R88, it's "cites," not "sites." But thanks for coming to my defense.
VO-5...not tested on animals and it cleans my new plastic shower/tub liner to a sparkling shine and no grit.
Shampoo.. is it paying for the brand name and advertising? I don't seem to notice a difference and I'm currently using a bottle of Kerastase that someone gave me.
Oribe is excellent and has a great fragrance!
R12 Thank you for the suggestions, I'm going to give wella a try.
Body On Tap. It's fantastic. It's got, erm, beer in it.
Whole Foods 365 brand
If you want to spend a little money, the Rene Futurerer product line is the best I've ever used. From Paris. It is super cheap in France, if you're visiting. Worth stocking up.
Pureology is fabulous but expensive. I use Costco's Kirkland version of pureology. it's great!
If you are guy with short hair like me you can use anything. Or just soap. I read these shampoos and soaps are all basically the same for most people. It's all mostly marketing.
Right, 96, I love Rene Furterer, for me it’s ideal. “Jacques Dessange” uses it. The quality of the product is very good.
A few times a year, Ulta has a sale on their high end shampoos in liters. They have Wella, Redken, Matrix and others for something around $16. They usually have a 20% off coupon or a coupon for $3.50 off at the same time. They even give you a free pump for the bottle. One liter of shampoo lasts me almost a year with daily use on my long hair.
That said, the Kerastase line is the best I've ever used. However, the shampoo is $40 a bottle, so it's not something I use every day.
I use sulfate free shampoo only. L'oreal makes a good one, I forget the name. First you have to get the build up of sulfates off of your hair by doing a cider vinegar rinse, actually putting some ACV on your hair and leaving it for about five minutes. Then wash with the sulfate free shampoo, and never go back. I only use conditioner about once or twice a week, and then very little, because my hair is naturally oily, and when I use too much, it gets stringy and frizzy. I've stopped using any product in my hair, and just blow dry it. I might use a dollop of anti frizz, by the same l'oreal brand that the sulfate free shampoo comes in. I get compliments every day on how shiny and bouncy my hair is. I do the ACV rinse about twice a month too, and once in a while put coconut oil on overnight to do a deep condition.
[quote]Not really cheap but I use Nioxin shampoo and conditioner. It makes my hair feel thicker and smooth. Don't wash every day but do wet it. I only wash every 3 days or so.
I tried the Nioxin shampoo my sister gave me, it did nothing for the volume and left my hair feeling coated and dull.
My sister has some thinning, she also gets her hair dyed. She was really disappointed with the Nioxin, she bought the one for color treated hair which was thinning, I forgot the number.
Not only did her dark brown hair dye bleed, she saw no difference re the volume let alone helping with the bad sheds she had at the time. She has a spell of Telogen Effluvium sheds for a year. Her sheds stopped on their own, a few months after she stopped using the Nioxin.
Nioxin didn't make her hair any fuller looking, it didn't stop the sheds and the shampoo left her hair feeling odd, she said it felt gummy and looked very limp with no shine. For such an expensive shampoo it didn't live up to it's hype.
The only positive was that the shampoo did make her scalp feel good, IIRC, it has peppermint in it.
I cant believe in this crowd no one has suggested any of the Aveda products. I swear by Aveda Men Pure-Formance Shampoo and conditioner. My hair looks and feels the best it has in years and the products smell fantastic. I also like that it is predictable-- no "bad hair days" at all since using it. Its not a bargain, though. 300ml is 20 bucks, but use dont need tons so it does last a long time
How is Betty Lynn behaving?
My hair was thinning, the texture had become baby fine and fly away. At my dermatologist's suggestion, I was using rogaine and taking biotin with little results. I didn't take either of the two drugs my derm said might help, due to medical issues.
I tried every hair product or shampoo that promised any result. None of them made any significant change.
A friend suggested I try Wen. I got the teatree oil cleanser and treatment oil. Four months later my hair seems to have stopped thinning, the hair I have seems thicker, and the texture is much better. It is the only thing that has made a difference.
There seems to be a few negative posts about Wen. I didn't even know about Chaz Dean and have no interest in pushing Wen. It just worked for me. I am willing to pay for a product that helps.
[quote] Not only did her dark brown hair dye bleed, she saw no difference re the volume let alone helping with the bad sheds she had at the time. She has a spell of Telogen Effluvium sheds for a year. Her sheds stopped on their own, a few months after she stopped using the Nioxin.
Clearly your sister has issues with her hair; don't blame the Nioxin. It's a fabulous product. Does goat blood run in your family?
Well, looks like it's great there are 100s of brands and varieties of shampoos to choose from since people have wildly diverse findings.
I work in the salon industry and can tell you that Aveda and Nioxin are two of the biggest scams on the market, right next to Wen. All marketing and all philosophy. Aveda does make a few decent prods but nothing that exceeds the quality of anything other pricey brands. Aveda is for those who have to see a the exclusive brand name in their shower and Nioxin orays upon the insecurities of men with thin or thinning hair. Both just wash your $$$down the drain with the suds.
r109, what you are saying is probably very true. But what I can't stand are stylists that tell what products are crap, yet don't have any good product recommendations! Most stylists on TV do exactly what you just did, they usually are useless because they are very hesitant to give out product recommendations.
Anyone used any of the shampoos from the Body Shop, or Lush?
I miss the old shampoos from the 1970s, like the green Herbal Essences shampoo, or Gee, Your Hair Smells Terrific. Good times.
Does anybody remember a 70s shampoo that had beer in it? All the girls in my school had to try it when it came out.
Prell - budget
Peter Thomas Roth - best
I remember Breck, Lemon Up, Prell, Fabrage shampoos. They just don't make 'em like those anymore.
Dr. Bronner's soap. Cheap, organic and multi purpose. I use it to clean the floors too.
She told two friends, and they told two friends...
I’ve never used Body Shop, but Lush, yes. It was Cynthia beer shampoo (if I remember correctly), it was good. I also like MoltoBene, it’s Japanese.
I usually use Molton Brown Cleanshine Quillaja Hairwash, or sometimes L'Occitane Citrus Verbena. Mostly because they smell amazing to be honest. I don't think there's any difference in my hair if I use a cheaper brand occasionally so it's really just habit but I do love to smell nice so Molton Brown or L'Occitane for me.
R122 Love Lush soap but I've never tried their shampoo.
Isn't there some information somewhere about silicone in some shampoos that makes your hair fall out?
Pantene, was it?
[quote] A friend suggested I try Wen. I got the teatree oil cleanser and treatment oil. Four months later my hair seems to have stopped thinning, the hair I have seems thicker, and the texture is much better. It is the only thing that has made a difference.
The answer to why your hair thinning stopped is....the tea tree oil possibly helped, not the Wen.
Tea tree oil works on inflammation, most hair loss is due to inflammation. Inflammation in the scalp, due to low hormones and DHT are just two of the many causes of hair loss in men or women.
People can also lose scalp hair due to skin afflictions, such as Seb Derm, psoriasis and other skin conditions.
Unfortunately most doctors either don't know this, or they do, but they don't tell their patients with hair loss, they simply give you a free box of Rogaine.
A relative is a derm, he told me, "The only proven non-surgical methods today for hair loss are Rogaine and Kenalog shots, neither work for everyone, but I have some patients with excellent results. Biotin makes the scalp hair and nails stronger. For thinning hair Biotin strengthens the fibers, Biotin cannot grow new hair in bald or thinning areas."
WEN, or any other shampoo, cannot suddenly make one's hair grow back or make the diameter of single hair fibers thicker. Any derm who knows about hair loss will tell you that.
Try Beer-Enriched Body on Tap!
But don't drink it!
[quote]Clearly your sister has issues with her hair; don't blame the Nioxin. It's a fabulous product. Does goat blood run in your family?
Goat's blood, WTF are you talking about, you sound like a fucking moron?!
What do 'hair issues' have to do with a protective color shampoo NOT protecting a person's dyed hair color?!
You are clueless, the Nioxin sucked, everything it was supposed to do, it did not do. It's an overpriced scam.
Amazing how so many hairstylists, who sell Nioxin in their salons, recommend it. I wonder what type of kickbacks they get from the Nioxin suppliers!
My sister also has a color sealant added by a hairstylist friend who cuts and dyes her hair, he always adds a sealant which keeps the color in longer. He also said the Nioxin is as bad as most high sudsing shampoos!
I tried the Nioxin too, it's awful. A female friend who dyes her hair, also had the same issues with the Nioxin formula for color treated hair, her color came out and it made her hair feel gummy, with no 'ooomph' or shine.
R113, Body on Tap! And remember Short n' Sassy? Dorothy Hamill was their spokeswoman. The hairstyle that launched my mother's look for the entirety of the 70s.
Marshall's and TJ Maxx often have Redken, Joico and Matrix products. I stock up on my Joico shampoo for $15 for one of the really big bottles (regular retail price is $30 and up).
As far as the scalp cooling effects of Nioxin, which was the only good thing about Nioxin, consumers can get the same scalp cooling from the much lower priced John Frieda Root Awakening.
Root Awakening has menthol, peppermint and eucalyptus in it.
Unfortunately, the company appears to have changed the formulas, all I was able to find lately was the Dry hair formula. There was a Restore formula for fragile chemically processed hair and Normal.
Root Awakening soothes the scalp, it also makes your hair shiny and fuller looking, not to mention feel clean without that squeaky stripped feel.
The new Dry hair formula is OK but it seems to have too much oil in it for people with normal hair.
I don't understand why so many hair product companies change their formulas, especially when the public are satisfied with the existing formulas.
Pureology and Kerastase for me. They are very expensive, but you need only a small amount as their formulas are so concentrated.
Joico is very good and not too expensive. I wouldn't recommend any drugstore brand as they are all harsh and watered down garbage.
Palmolive dish detergent and a washtub of cold water.
R109 Please name a good brand/product for coarse, thick hair? How would you rate Paul Mitchell and Nexxus?
[quote]Joico is very good and not too expensive. I wouldn't recommend any drugstore brand as they are all harsh and watered down garbage.
I guess you are not aware that many drugstores, such as Rite Aid Walgreen's, do have sections featuring higher end brands.
I've seen many high end hair products including Keratese, Matrix, Pureology and most of the high end brands mentioned here, except Nioxin, I only see Nioxin in beauty supply stores.
[quote]Whole Foods 365 brand
I use the 365 brand fragrance free shower gel on both body and hair. Works great.
20 years ago, when I was young and had lots of hair, I used a Nexxus shampoo. That was the only brand I ever perceived making a real difference in the look and condition of my hair. Everything else is just a detergent.
Protein 21 shampoo. It repairs split ends and all of the cool kids use it.
Another vote for Live Clean Shampoo and Conditioners.
Apple Cider shampoo for clear clean hair and oily scalp, or they make great shampoo for moisturizing, damaged or colour treated hair. Conditioners are available, but only if you need them.
I am not down with the salon boutique shit. Hair care, like most everything else about our bodies is about genetics and common sense. No product for hair, skin or body should ever cost more than twenty dollars, including face creams and cleansers. Words from me and my expert dermatologist. The rest is all hype and packaging.
The Live Clean products are organic, 100 percent plant derived, biodegradable, affordable and effective. I am impressed with them. Nice shampoo on my thick dark curly hair, with summer and winter change ups. About 8 bucks a bottle.
Nioxin is great, but expensive. I don't think there are good shampoos that are economical. I think you have to spend a little in order to get a good shampoo.
Is Alterna shampoo worth the $$? I like Amplify and Wella.