Here's a great article about the perceived rudeness of New Yorkers and how it's actually the tourists who are often the inconsiderate ones.
I know many here like to persecute New Yorkers, so perhaps those people should read this and think about it before they go on the attack next time.
Hard to take seriously, when it's written by a New Yorker who trashes !A in his first paragraph. What a crock of shit.
I don't really care about who is rude or not rude and why.
This piece reads like a Jeff Foxworthy routine.
"You might be a redneck if..."
"You might be a New Yorker if..."
"You might be a tourist in New York if..."
Maybe the author should concentrate on finishing his dissertation.
Fuck New York.
oh the delusion
many tourists asshole-ishly do stand in the middle of busy sidewalks here! drives me fucking nuts!!!!
out of towners drivers when taking right turms do not grasp that pedestrians crossing the street with a clear walk signal should b given right of way.
I could go on.
I'm an Australian and I ended up staying in NY for up to a month for business. I honestly did not come across any rude New Yorkers. Rather they were just really honest and it was so refreshing! They were never out of line.
I did overhear a conversation between a couple of my Canadian colleagues who stated that they hated Toronto and other big cities simply because big cities breed rude people...I think a lot of small town people get this mentality. They're just not used to hustle and bustle and being upfront.
Thank you New Yorker pretending to be Australian for the obligatory," I'm form ___________ and didn't find New Yorkers rude at all" post.
I've been to NY a couple of times as a tourist and I actually found NYers to be pretty tolerant of tourists. In particular, I find the subway system kind of confusing and anyone I've asked for direction has always been helpful and never copped an attitude. Cops can be a bit brusque, but I'm sure that's due to the number of people they deal with every day.
I think everyone - including WDC area where I live - finds people who walk 3-4 people across (and hold hands) are annoying.
I'm not a NYer - love visiting 2-3 times per year but never have I wanted to live there, nonetheless I admire people who do. In my almost 50 year span of visiting I have always found NYers to be very helpful, probably more straight forward then others, and perhaps that is the quality people think is rude, but I don't. In contrast to many other large cities all over the world I have visited, I would say people are nicer than average and friendly when approached. They seem to have a pride in their city and are happy to explain how to navigate it and enjoy it as they do.
Here we go, tourist bashing again.
Forget the fact that New Yorkers live in one of the most visited cities on earth. Everyone who lives in NYC now was at one time a tourist to NYC, since NYC is full of transplants.
Forget the fact that tourism is a multi-billion dollar industry that provides thousands of jobs for citizens of NYC.
If you can't handle dealing with tourists, than maybe you should move to Lubbock, TX.
r2 has it right. Back in the day, when NY was something, NYers wouldn't have given two shits about this sort of defensive, Foxworthy-level humor. Now it seems like attitude is all they've got.
What was the last interesting play, book, band, artist, or star to come out of NY? Yeah. Thought not. Sneering at tourists is all they have left.
New Yorkers simply don't have time for the sort of ritual exhibitions of courtesy and charm that are expected in more socially isolated areas of the country. They come into close physical proximity with literally hundreds of people every day, so they're conditioned to be very selective about who they are going to engage with and on what level.
It's a city of strangers, some come to work, some to play.
[quote]Thank you New Yorker pretending to be Australian for the obligatory," I'm form ___________ and didn't find New Yorkers rude at all" post.
Wow, R7, omg! Are you magical? How could you tell that R6 was lying and really isn't Aussie?
Oh, that's right, you CAN'T tell, you're just a nasty cunt who's decided that everyone who defends NY must be a New Yorker.
Wtf is wrong with you?
Tourists in New York seem to have become ruder over the past decade or so.
I say "seem" because there are simply more of them and thus the percentage of rude and obnoxious ones increase.
I also have a theory that some of the really dumb, rude tourists were too afraid to come to NYC before it got "cleaned up" by corporate America.
Tourists in years past prepared to visit NYC with a certain sense of awe and trepidation and they were rarely rude [at least not that I ever saw]
I am often asked for directions in NYC by tourists and many to 90% are polite, to the point and grateful for the direction.
Some are disgustingly entitled and bark out questions without any preamble in a loud tone of voice.
Demanding answers to questions from benign like "where is the statue of liberty" to the unspeakable "which way to 9-11"
Second runner up "where is miracle on the Hudson"
Imagine a sweaty slightly angry usually portly tourist demanding information from you without any social niceness like "excuse me" or "would you please help me find.."
Usually they have food in hand and a soiled map.. well you get the picture.
I ignore the rude ones and they rarely seem to notice, just move onto another target.
I lived in NYC in the 80's, at a young age; did some (very little) theater; had two day jobs in office buildings near/over Grand Central.
One day, while literally IN Grand Central, looking for where I wanted to get a quick lunch, a woman tourist asked me where Grand Central was.
OMG. I was so shocked I was polite, hee-hee! Repeated several times, "here. Right here. You're IN Grand Central."
I did not find New Yorkers to be helpful because less than half of them speak English.
Honey, I can write an article for HuffPost declaring water isn't wet; but that doesn't mean anything.
Um R7 I am legit an Aussie. And currently pissed off at our new Prime Minister and what it means for myself and my country for the next 3 years.
So don't you even start with me.
Most of the egregious acts that the author mentioned are also committed by NYers every day, so I don't know why he's just focused on tourists.
However, I have noticed that foreign tourists, in the past few years, have become much more rude. In the past, they tended to be more educated and politer than the average tourist. These days many of the young ones are just as entitled and spoiled as the worst of the Americans. They act much like the ugly American tourist (abroad) of many years ago.
[quote]And yet, every day I see tourists and just general social malefactors who stop in the middle of sidewalks, who hold up entire subway trains because they try to force the doors open, who block a stairwell or who try to get on a subway car before they let anyone else off.
This is a sense of entitlement that the pace of this city cannot abide.
He thinks it's only tourists doing that? He should meet my mother. She's lived in NYC her entire life but still is oblivious to how her moves affect those around her.
New Yorkers are such assholes. On Grindr, when they visit my city, they always make comments in their profiles about how much they hate it here. Then they change the profile a few hours later to say how cold and unfriendly my city is.
When I walk in Chicago and look at someone (usually because they are hot) they notice, make eye contact and nod or smile. Some even say "Good morning." Chicagoans may work in a somewhat crowded downtown, but most of them live in houses where they escape strangers.
New York is too crowded so the social compact is to ignore everyone else around you (excluding cruising) in their day to day lives). I think many visitors find this rude and cold, but they just don't understand that things are different in NYC.
A friend's mother was visiting from Minnesota. When they went out the first morning she asked "Where do all these people come from?" This was a quiet residential block early on a Saturday morning. A New Yorker would be enjoying the emptiness.
This guy is so off base about it being tourists who hold the subway doors open. They are usually scared to do that its the New Yorkers who do it, and frankly its just part of the gig it happens all the time always has and a real New Yorker should get used to it.
As far as tourists standing in the sidewalk oblivious, yes this is true and is annoying. But not as annoying as the entitled satc wannabe mothers with their double wide strollers and cell phones taking up the entire sidewalk.
Rudeness isn't the problem, it's my huge stardom that makes New York impossible.
You are not getting the point, R25. This thread is supposed to be about how tourists are responsible for all of the rudeness in NYC. Don't admit that the natives do anything wrong.It doesn't prove the point we're trying to hammer home- Everything bad in the city is caused by tourists.
So.... when NYers walk down the street with their friends, if they have any, they do so in a single-file line?
[quote]Most of the egregious acts that the author mentioned are also committed by NYers every day, so I don't know why he's just focused on tourists.
This. I've barreled into more than one of my fellow NYers when they have barged into the subway car without letting others off, or stopped right at the top of the subway stairs to check their phone messages, light a cig, or whatever. People who do these things are not always tourists who don't understand the rules; just as often they are rude-assed New Yorkers who can't be bothered to pay attention to anything other than their own needs.
New Yorkers are really only rude ON THE STREET.
1) They're commuting, and you're slowing them down. Love to see an LA driver respond to someone blocking their car to ask them a question. Or 3 cars driving 2mph on the FWY taking up all lanes while looking at the palm trees.
New Yorkers just happen to be on foot. Now get the fuck out of the way!
2) Pickpockets, scam artists, drunks, and crazy people will often try to talk to you and suck you into their bullshit. New Yorker's default is Ignore, and walk faster!
If you meet New Yorkers in a social situation, they're really quite friendly.
Why did the writer feel the need to take a low shot @ "LA"? To make New York look better?
Eight simple rules would make things easier in NYC
1. Stay to the right...on the sidewalk and in the subway stair cases. It used to be that everyone seemed to understand this simple idea and the flow of people on the sidewalks and subways was less hectic
2. When you reach the top of the stairs or escalator do not stop dead in your tracks(this happens so much) to determine your next move. Continue walking and then move to the side if you need to stop.
3. Let them off...then get on(the bus, subway car). And it's the not the end of the world if you don't get on first.
4. Let old people, disabled, mother's with children go ahead of you...it's good karma.
5. Give you seat to old people in the subway. I see these guy guys who will not move for a grandmother who obviously needs to sit down.
6. Don't block the sidewalk intersections. This is not a good location for a conversation.
7. If someone hold the door for you say thank you. Hold the door for someone. If you bump into someone apologize.
8. Don't walk and text. Move to the side and text.
This is for all New Yorkers and visitors. I have lived in Manhattan for over 20 years and find that the simple rules that used to be observed are not paid much attention to today; it makes it feel like a free for all.
#5 That's suppose to be 'young guys' not 'guys guys.'..duh
#5 your seat/ not you seat
# 7 holds/ not hold the door
sorry for typos.
Well how about this? New Yorkers are the worst tourists! I should know, I have to deal with many New Yorkers who visit my city, and I work in the tourism industry here in my town.
My least favorite thing asshole New Yorkers always point out is Italian food. "Can you suggest a good Italian restaurant? We're from New York, so we expect...blah blah blah." And then they review the restaurant on Yelp: "We're from New York, so we know good Italian." Fine. Go to goddamned Maggiano's because NOTHING will ever be as good as your blessed pasta in New York.
Fuck you. Fuck the fuck out of you.
New Yorkers cannot go ANYWHERE, London, Paris, Tokyo, without looking down their long ass snob noses at anyplace that is not New York.
When I get stopped by a tourist who asks for directions but doesn't with the words "Excuse me..." or
"Please" I say "I'll tell you where you need to go next time you learn some manners."
R28- We don't walk single file, but we try not to walk more than two across. SATC can be blamed for this, but when there are four friends you don't walk in a line. It's two and two.
If there are three friends it can be a little more tricky, but you can walk with two and then one slightly behind in the middle. Always be aware of when people are trying to pass you when in a group.
I try to be nice when people ask for directions; just today I was on the uptown N platform at 42nd and a lady asked me if this train would take her to Union Sq. She was very polite and I pointed her in the right direction.
Tourists—and most people in general, including New Yorkers—suffer from what I call Center-of-the-Universe syndrome...
"I'm in hurry, so everyone else should be too!" Or, "I've got all the time in the world, so no one else should be in a rush either."
People tend to be self-centered and myopic.
Don't live in NYC. Every time I visit the city, people are very nice, friendly, really, never met a single person with an attitude.