Have the 2000s/2010s been "meaner", more hateful decades?
What with the advent of people leaving anonymous messages and notes on Youtube/Facebook/Twitter?
Have people always been this level of cruel? They've just never had such a public platform? People who remember the 60s/70s/80s/90s, respond.
No, it has never been this cruel. Cruelty arrived in the eighties and never left. It went form being a pathology to a way of life.
It is very depressing to see.
We had people who are masters at hate, giving specific instructions to others on how to hate. I'm looking at hate-monger Newt Gingrich who put it all down in black and white.
It's the Rabies Generation.
Yes, and I hope eventually anonymous posts.
Definitely, OP, and it will continue to worsen I think.
It's getting harder to get by, and it's going to keep getting harder. We're competing with cheap international labor and increases in technology making fewer human workers necessary.
In the U.S., there is a definite shift to more of an every man for themselves attitude, but that's always been part of our culture. Unfortunately, what's risen in response to world changes has been the nastiest elements of that philosophy. Instead of seeing our nation as a collective that can rely on itself, each person is adopting a kill or be killed attitude.
We are headed for a paradigm shift, that's for certain. Economists say that everyone should be employed, working roughly 30 hours a week and making a decent wage. Instead, the rat race is getting faster and harder. The extra wealth economists predicted is being falsely concentrated in the top one percent. The really wealthy are solidifying their positions, and diversifying beyond the U.S., anticipating a U.S. decline.
Everything we're living currently is like a pyramid scheme. This way of life is unsustainable. The boomers lived the best that any generation ever has, and probably any generation will be able to for a long time.
So what happens when an A.I. or automaton costs less and produces more over, say, a three year period? What happens to everyone out of work? You know those Google automated cars? They want to use them on 18 wheelers. They say that truck driver might not be a job anymore in 10 or 20 years. That's just one example.
Just today, economists were saying a new study indicates that people underemployed now because of the recession will likely stay that way most or all of their working years. The economy is supposed to only very slowly recover until at least 2050.
We're all fucked.
Oh, R6 honey, did we forget to take our blue pill? Or the peach-colored one? Here, sweety, it's Ativan: it will calm you down until the other pills make those pesky voices just shush.
No, it's gotten worse since the 80s. The "I got mine, fuck off the rest you" libertarianism is more rampart now than ever.
Think about the hate rallies in 1984. That's already a reality online and will only get worse. We are living the Orwellian nightmare.
Yes, OP. We are in the Mean Teens.
Anecdotal at best, I believe we're a mean stupid people. We always have been. One social function of the gay man and woman is to bring about a buffer wherein we provide grace to those who may not deserve it, but need it.
I remember the "Disco Sucks" bullshit in the early 80s. Greasy metalheads were ready to chew off the dicks of anyone who enjoyed dance music.
I remember staunch republicans in the early 90s hoping the poor would eat their children.
R12, that's exactly what they said about us genxers.
Fuck them. It's detached old people passing judgement upon the young.
It is definitely meaner and more hateful in all walks of life now. The corporate world is ridiculous; I feel sorry for anybody who has to work in an office these days. It's like they revel in being backstabbing cunts. And they don't even seem to need an excuse to fire someone anymore.
Street behavior is absolutely dreadful. Texting twerps get offended when they stupidly bump into you!
Bums screech at people!
Driving a car must be a horror for more people, what with complete idiots behind the wheel.
White trash fast food addict attacks are becoming the norm!
The Idiocracy is upon us.
Human beings have always been this mean, they just have what they perceive to be an anonymous platform now where they gave give full vent to what was previously private nastiness. If the internet wasn't anonymous I'm quite sure it would be more civil. Interesting that it's only fear that keeps us civilised.
In the United States, these decades are becoming less cruel institutionally. There has been more acceptance and less violence toward gay people. The instances that happen now are shocking and looked at as wrong by the majority of young Americans. The military has been putting in more safeguards against cruelty in the workplace (sexual harassment, rape, hazing, beating.) It isn't perfect yet, but it is obvious military leadership is trying hard to change military culture to one where service members are treated with dignity. Now they teach us that cruelty is punishable and wrong.
"it is obvious military leadership is trying hard to change military culture to one where service members are treated with dignity". R22, you must be insane.
And I guess the civil war, WWI, WWII, Civil Rights, Vietnam was all a walk in the park?
Child (well, teenager) of the 70's here. R6 is right. My father, an elderly friend of mine, and my aunt - all dead; all would be 90++ now - predicted; rather, feared this.
We are becoming like a third-world country: a very few, yes, the 1%, will have $$$; everyone else will be more like poor beggars in Mexico and India, and other places.
I say this from my "perch" on SSD. Have enough to live but is in housing "project" in small town where I went to high school. Miss SF every day. Miss NYC later. Lived in the former in late 70's; again, late 80's-2003; lived in NYC in the 80s.
Couldn't live either place now! I read on this board about how basically young artist types can't afford Manhattan anymore, and live in what used to be (still are??) very seedy parts of Brooklyn, Harlem, etc.
My nieces paid far more for college than I did. Things are, in general, ecomomically getting worse. Can't deny it.
Is increasing socialism the answer? Don't know. Unions are nowhere as strong as they used to be.
All this is said to be realistic; I'm not too hideously depressed. OP is spot-on about the effects of hi-tech, etc.; the effects of outsourcing to other countries:even worse.
I was a pre-teen in the late 60's, but feel like, "Power to the People"! Revolution now!
[quote]The corporate world is ridiculous; I feel sorry for anybody who has to work in an office these days. It's like they revel in being backstabbing cunts. And they don't even seem to need an excuse to fire someone anymore.
I suggest we talk to women and minorities about how much better the corporate world used to be.
Manners ended in the 60's.
The Baby Boomers made sure of that.
It took a while for our more civilized elders to die off, but now there's nobody left with any class.
The 1980s were particularly cruel and shallow.
The 1990s were much more laid-back, open-minded, and tended to embrace diversity. There was a sort of innocence to them.
The 2000s had no clue.
The 2010s have a clue, but like you said, it's all egotistic pursuit, image, and a level of cruelty that manages to surpass the crude 80s. The obsession with a look somewhat reminiscent of hitlerjugends for the under-30s might be an indication.
Some people blame 9/11 for the increase in cynicism and pessimism.
The 70s were "live and let live." Religion was also not talked about very much in public, and nowhere near as prominent as it is today. That led to a less judgmental society. People minded their own damn business in the 70s.
The Reagan 80s were all about materialism. Everyone was trying desperately to "Keep Up With the Joneses" which led to snobbery and anxiety. Everyone was preppy and a big snob.
The 90s were pretty mellow, for the most part. The economy was excellent and everybody was happy.
People have gotten meaner online, for sure, but I haven't noticed a big change in face-to-face interactions. I think people are the same in person as they ever were, although more aloof and preoccupied due to smartphones.
R6 Pyramid? Interesting analogy!
[quote]"it is obvious military leadership is trying hard to change military culture to one where service members are treated with dignity".
[quote][R22], you must be insane.
You must not know history. We went from having "unsolved" murders and unreportable male on male rapes to having official and unofficial gay pride events that go unopposed by military personnel, full benefits for married gay couples, basic training that is laughably kinder and gentler, and a zero tolerance policy for hazing. Would you honestly rather serve at any time before 2000?
I cannot remember religion being so talked about as it is now.
In the 1990s, and even the early 2000s, it certainly took a back seat. And now it's everywhere.
In the mid-1990s sociologists predicted this and I found it hard to believe, it seemed so backwards. But there you have it.
This is an elder thread. You guys have no idea what stereotypes you are. "Get off my lawn!"
Yes, people are meaner now, meaner than they were in any other decade or century. lol.
Not only are you guys old, you're ignorant beyong belief.
R34 = Exhibit A: the leftover sociopathic spawn of selfish twats bred by selfish dicks.
Basically what R6 said. We're fast becoming a country of haves and have-nots not seen since the Gilded Age of American history. The majority of people have been duped by the rightwing into thinking that the peanuts by comparison going to social programs for the destitute and working poor are bankrupting the country but are blind to the hemmorhage of capital being extracted from what remains of the middle class by the wealthy via corrupted financial and political policies.
The social contract of the U.S. government to its people is broken.