Watched 5 minutes of it tonight and Lordy...not a soul under 60 anywhere on that stage. Maybe it was just the 5 minutes that I watched which was Bill Murray ( complete with dyed soul patch) hamming it up as Liberace, but it was excruciating. David looks like Bob Schieffer now and the band looks like a Viagra commercial.
Just retire already Gramps. Give someone else a chance. Haven't you got enough money?
hey I got an idea , lets give that young guy Jimmy Kimmel a show late at nite. oh shit, forget that.
Dave's NBC show was witty and irreverent. I watched it religiously. When he moved to CBS he completely stopped doing what made the show so brilliant. His comedy bits are godawful. I still like him, but his show has been lame forever now. Conan and Jimmy Kimmel are doing the funny stuff I admired Letterman for.
When Letterman has younger guests on his show, he seems to have no idea who they are.
I'm apparently a 30 year old trapped in a 60 year old's body because I love watching and decompressing to his Late Show. Actually, it's the only thing that I miss from the CBS Tome Warner blackout
Letterman's biggest problem is that he comes off like a complete asshole who doesn't care about anything.
So true, r6. I'm not a regular viewer, but for the longest time now when I've happened to watch Letterman he seems bored to death and is only there for a paycheck, like he doesn't have a shit-ton of money already. I don't know why he doesn't just retire.
Letterman is not what he was but OMG, have you watched Leno in the last 25 years? Just soooo boring and unfunny and unintelligent as can be. I'm glad he's been shown the door (finally).
I think he is determined to outlast Leno.
Ugly, arrogant, dismissive, patronizing. He's the last person who'd be interesed in anyone else.
And he is always depressed
I can't even watch Leno for two minutes, I've never found him funny or appealing at all.
I only watch the show every now and then when there's someone on I like but I used to be a regular viewer - I bought my first VCR back in 1982 so I could continue to watch the show after I started my job. I did happen to catch it the other night and was surprised to see some of the same band members who were on the show back in '82 still there.
I agree, better than Leno. And what is the deal with Leno's face? It's actually getting wider and fatter. It's like some fat plate on a neck.
good question, OP. He's not funny, has a horrible personality and is ugly as fuck. I guess he has a lot of loyal viewers who don't care about any of that though.
He is, deservedly, recognized as an American television icon, true heir to Johnny Carson. When he was good, he was unbelievably good and when he was bad he was still interesting. But, yeah, time to go.
"icon" please. and what's with him frequently stumbling over his words so much in interviews? For someone who likes to make fun of others, he certain has a lot of quirks that should be targeted.
Leno makes me cringe. He is unwatchable. Yes, Dave is an icon. For the most part his interviews over the decades are funny and interesting. He'll probably retire soon but don't sell him short.
David is an interesting character. When he was young he was irreverent, shocking, at times, and really pushed some buttons. On NBC he was the "go to" show for a generation (or two) of college students. He made fun of the establishment (whatever THAT is) and just made fun of everybody and everything. His idol was Johnny Carson and he was the rightful heir to Johnny. And Carson liked him, too. He never had Carson's slick, clever charm but he did put his own spin on the talk show genre. When NBC fucked him over he also rightfully jumped ship. The show was never quite the same on CBS but for several years he did maintain his irreverence.
Now when I happen to catch his show, I am sad. He is now old and tired. He LOOKS old and tired. Even his friend, the old gasbag Regis, has more energy and vigor. It just seems like David is running out of steam. And is, most sadly, out of touch. And THAT is the death knell for a performer who has always done what he has done. He is like the ill tempered grandpa who you avoid at holiday gatherings. And that really breaks me up because David would have been the very guy who made FUN of that kind of guy.
I don't see how OP's five minute sampling of one show can't be considered representative of the whole show.
Letterman reminds me of my father, who is more or less the same age. Cranky, disinterested, and completely out of touch with contemporary culture.
At least Letterman doesn't come out to bestow his blessing upon a group of audience members who have been instructed to bow and scrape before him, as Leno does.
Excellent overview, R19.
Like R2, no CBS here either
The earliest years of the CBS show were still pretty good. Dave started phoning it in sometime in the mid-90s after Jay started beating him consistently in the ratings. Since then, he's been in some weird cicada-like cycle where he seems to wake up every few years and actually care about the show for a few months; like after his heart surgery, or the 2008 elections. I'm hopeful he'll have at least one more burst of energy once he announces his retirement.
I think he wants to retire after Leno. Carson's last couple of years were the same. Many felt that it was time for him to retire. He ended up getting pushed out the door by Leno.
Well put, R19.
Though it's behind him it seems, Letterman at least had his day in the sun. His show was well worth watching for a while. That he toyed with many of the old talk show conventions worked to advantage for a time; now, however, it could scarcely be more evident that he's just going through the motions. His new ideas have grown into stale traditions, and he's left with disjointed pieces -- no real meat in the middle. His innovations in faster rounds of one-on-one chats with guests worked for a time, now they symptomatic of a national short attention span, a desire for cheap sensation over conversation.
I can't stay up that late -- I'm 60.
"He never had Carson's slick, clever charm"
R19, Carson's 'charm' was dated by 1975. That is when he showed up. Carson only worked two weeks a month on the Tonight Show, the other weeks were done by guest hosts.
By comparison, Letterman is eons better than Carson, even in his over the hill depressed state.
He still makes me laugh and he's liberal but not as liberal as I am. He still thinks this government is the same as his Dad's America. That bothers me.
Remember when Paul Shaffer's persona was a parody of the cheesy sidekick bandleader -- and now he's just become that?
Same thing happened with Billy Crystal -- he stopped being a take on people like Jackie Mason and became Jackie Mason.
[quote]When he was young he was irreverent, shocking, at times, and really pushed some buttons. On NBC he was the "go to" show for a generation (or two) of college students. He made fun of the establishment (whatever THAT is) and just made fun of everybody and everything.
I'm not quite convinced of this. I don't remember him pushing many buttons. However, he was initially a lot livelier. But his evident boredom with the whole thing set in very early.
Loved when he took down Paris Hilton.
R31, here is one of the "controversial" things that would happen on Letterman. Andy Kaufman caused a lot of viewers some VERY uncomfortable moments here. Whether Dave was in on it all or not, THIS is the kind of stuff that would happen on occasion on Dave's show and it was all over the news the next day.
Letterman made a conscious decision years ago to leave the "innovative" comedy to the younger hosts and just focus the show on his personality and his interactions with the guests. He felt it didn't make sense anymore in his fifties and sixties to do things like jump onto a wall of Velcro. Maybe some of that is just laziness or complacency but I think there's also the recognition that you can only be the fresh new voice when you're fresh and new.
Hate away the mans a genius and still the fastest wit on TV. His crankiness and seemingly lack of interest is part of his thing, he doesn't care if you don't like him and doesn't try to appeal to all - unlike that hack Jay Leno
Leno has always had a love/hate relationships with gays. On the one hand, he seems to enjoy gays; on the other, he thinks nothing of hurting them. I remember well, that gays reported that he focused on "Brokeback Mountain" at least half of the December it was released, making fun of it. So when it was time for academy voters to vote for Best Picture, he had done it too much damage. The voters were intimidated by then, and voted for a movie which intellectuals hated, many of whom were people of color.
It's all about him!
He is the only host who called each and every congressman on not voting for more background checks for gun owners. He quoted the fuckers and then he told the percentage of people who wanted more gun control in each state. It's not unusual for him to nail Republicans and that more then likely why some of you are criticizing him.
It's true, I don't think he gives a fuck about the show but what else is he going to do?
With his serious heart and vascular problems, I wonder when he might start having a problem with his memory. Apparently he is still a runner.
Bill Murray was a sexy guy about fifteen yrs. ago; at least, to me.
David Letterman, a redhead in his younger days, had no sex appeal to me. He supposedly is very big. Wonder if that's why Reege hangs around.
David Letterman was a Kennedy Center Honors recepient not too long ago. They overlooked his failed attempt at being an oscar host, as well as worthier talents.
Well, at least they didn't choose Leno.
His behavior with the interns also seemed like something a younger Dave would have gleefully ridiculed in the case of some '80's fatcat. Being a male with ambitions in that work environment would have sucked.
In a demonstration of his power, Dave effectively killed the story. Even pal Howard Stern strategically placed his visits so the story would be too "old" to discuss.
Will someone BAN the fool R35 who keeps posting this shit? It's spam.
Get out of the city!
He took down Paris Hilton?
Wow, that must have taken all 15 of his writing staff to pull that off. She is such a sharp cookie.
Letterman rocks! and shame on NBC for taking out Leno just 3 years after they gave him the show back.
Letterman is so much better than Leno.
I think David's got too scared of anything remotely edgy or controversial even though the show is on late night. I remember Joan Rivers using the word abortion on his show about 2 years ago and he nearly had a heart attack
I don't believe he would have gotten married if his live in hadn't gotten pregnant. Actresses who visited the show got on his back, about marrying her, so he did. Could the guy be easy to live with? I would think more like impossible. Apparently he liked playing his games with the interns and didn't want to be married.
He openly outed the situation right on his show. If he had continued to try and cover it up, he would have faced more jokes.
One reason David gets less criticism is because he makes fun of himself...something Jay can not do...he refuses to ever admit that he's acted badly or don't the unacceptable.
Jay treated Conon like sh*t and now he's getting kicked out anyway. In the mean time, Jimmy Fallon acts like a puppy, licking everyone's face.
What if you had to go through your life without a drink, while you are constantly craving a drink? How would you feel?
I look at what is happening to Leno as karma. He DID treat Conan like shit and was an asshole but he never owned up to it. Now, after bullying his way to his old time slot, he only got three years out of it and is being shoved out anyway. That's the way it goes, pal.
OP = Leno
NBC treated Conan like shit, Leno had no control over it. They didn't break him in as they did Leno. NBC is at fault.
Loooooved him in the 80s and 90s. But he's had his day in the sun. He must be as old as Carson was when he retired. Leno needs to go too. For people like that, it must be more about staying relevant and active than getting even richer. Retirement must be terrifying to them. It is to me a bit and I don't even like my job.
I think the threat of irrelevancy does have a lot to do with it, r54. Late night talk show hosts are yesterday's news pretty much as soon as they retire. Even Johnny Carson was out of the media and public consicousness after his big farewell. Letterman and Leno are probably afraid of that happening to them too.
I don't get it. After being in the public eye for so long, you would think the anonymity that might come with retirement would be a godsend. Is the narcissism so deep with some of these celebs that relaxing and enjoying your cash without the adoring public ogling you 24/7 considered punishment?
When Leno leaves, he'll be very busy, indeed. Just visiting his fleet of cars would take up a lot of his time. Counting his money will also keep him occupied. Reflecting on the suckers who made him super-rich will take time.
And there's always those retrospectives that networks love to spring on us during the dull periods; so he'll still be in the public eye.
Stopped watching him ages, ago!
"He is the only host who called each and every congressman on not voting for more background checks for gun owners. He quoted the fuckers and then he told the percentage of people who wanted more gun control in each state. It's not unusual for him to nail Republicans and that more then likely why some of you are criticizing him."
Uh, I haven't found him funny since NBC and also don't find Leno, Chelsea Handler, Conan or Jimmy funny either. I don't even know much about their politics. With firearms no one in his audience found that little thing he did dozens of times the least bit funny. They had a very little nervous laughter as he mocked (bullied) the lawmakers physical appearances. That is how we settle differences? What part of that is comedy? And don't say it's wasn't suppose to be, he thought he was funny and fuming at the same time. As far as the polls? You can get a poll to say anything you want. Other polls have been nowhere near his claims. It's all how you ask the questions. Or I'm wrong and 94% of people in North Dakota want more government paperwork to stop sales of stolen firearms in back alleys. Even if they did, so what? Most wanted to ban booze before 1919 and then were shocked it applied to them. They thought it was for some drunks.
Only thing I know about Leno on politics is the same thing with Letterman. Both whined to Rino Senator McCain that America should do more for the poor in the third world. Too bad these men don't have half a billion dollars between them to help. You will not see either selling one of their 150,000 dollar cars to buy half a million sandwiches but everyone else should so something. Meantime Leno owns 27 Vincent motorcycles. Letterman owns 100 acres with his house and a large NYC apartment. Good for them and boo for telling America to do more. You do more dudes and perhaps before death is knocking at your door.
Someone else said Leno has a love/hate relationship with gays. I'd say it's a hate/making money relationship. He knocks boy bands with gay jokes and the very next night has them on and thanks them for being there. If there's nothing wrong with being gay what's with the jokes and aimed at people that usually aren't even gay? If you don't like them don't have them on the show 20 times a year. It was often said that just having the number album in America would not get you on Carson. Differently not the case with Leno. If you got a number ten song you can do his show two or three times. His gay remarks are likely just that he's a 61 year old Juvenile. Leno often cracks up at telling how they blew up the Kotex dispenser in junior high by pour water in it. Hmm, not funny now or then, odd he thinks it's sidesplitting almost 50 years later.