Uhm... Has this gay acceptance gotten out of hand?
On one hand it's great but on the other it just stinks. I have become SOOO tired if walking into "gay" bars and seeing gay guys with their female girlfriends screaming like banshees! Must they be so loud? Now, the straight guys are coming into the "gay" bars with their straight girlfriends, who want to hang out with their gay friend...and having a good time! Every now and then is fine but this is now becoming di riguer! Straight bartenders working in gay bars! Straight strippers (what's left of them) working in gay bars! Where are the gay gyms? Where are the bathrooms to have quick gay sex? It's just not fun to be gay anymore! Everyone is either on Grindr or Scruff and do they really meet up? I miss the Food Bar...
You're going to miss the Early Bird specials at the Cracker Barrel, Gramps.
Embrace the coming blurry fluidity.
Soon we will all be pansexual orgiastics.
Oh my god!
The OP is sooo right! We are becoming too mainstream! We are losing our mystery!
I being gay because it's special,but we are sooo overexposed now. We are also exploited to death.
You're describing Berlin in the early 30's, OP, and look how that turned out.
Straight strippers are okay. But straights should not be working as bartenders or waiters in gay establishments. We need to support our own. Gays are the best tippers so it's no wonder straight guys would want some of that.
And gays need those jobs.
This is the harsh reality. Gay bars are unfortunately no longer needed. I met my partner in a straight club. The few times I've been to a gay bar during the past couple of years have been sad. They were so alive and sexually charged. Now, nothing.
Prince Philip's last nickname for Diana?
OP = 65-year-old who laments about not living in an era where you were forced to have gay sex in back alleys because homosexuality was illegal. Gramps, get going. You're too old for gay bars anyway.
r10, back alley sex is THE BEST!
Park restrooms just aren't the same anymore.
I didn't like straight couples in gay bars when I starting going to them in the mid-90s. I'd glare at them, they were slumming and unwelcome as far as I'm concerned. Interesting that they wanted to come to gay bars in the first place, it's the music from what I hear, these people like dance music a lot and most straight bars probably play rock or (c)rap.
I don't go to gay bars anymore, but I'd probably still be annoyed by straight couples. A "pansexual night" where straights were welcome would be ok though.
I visited a gay bar out of curiosity in Central London and ended up meeting my husband that very same night.Having never been exposed to that particular environment before,I assumed that every guy who was there must be gay until we both got talking that is.In addition to discovering that he was actually a straight gay friendly guy,I also met several of his friends who are an eclectic mix to say the least.Forward 7 years later,we are now happily married and still frequent these spots with our friends in tow every other week.
R14, just what we hate on DL.
[quote]Straight strippers are okay. But straights should not be working as bartenders or waiters in gay establishments. We need to support our own
None of it should happen IMO. I am fine with straight people wanting to go hang out in a gay bar, but the workers should be gay.
The money the customers are spending should be going into the pockets of the gay community. Not some straight dude who takes off his shirt and thinks its silly how the little queens fawn over him and give him tops.
If you ever hear them talk about the job afterwards they are frequently complaining about how some gay guy groped their ass and how the wish they had a different job.
So you're in favor of repealing anti-discrimination laws then, r16?
In a republican world, private citizens (but not the government) would be allowed to discriminate against anyone.
Gay bars and resorts would turn "gay only" overnight.
Nice story [R14] but still...
Wow, R14, you're kind of a tone-deaf cunt, aren't you?
Those jobs should go to gay people. Gay people still face a great deal of job discrimination. Straight people have countless bars/clubs they can work in.
True story. My boss has become so gay friendly he actually told me that I will never have to sneak around having sex in some bathroom, (since "you" gays are always horny), and risk getting arrested. "Use my private bathroom" he says! I just have to give him a half hour notice. (SMH!)
R13 I heard that straight couples went to gay bars because if either one or both were married it would be the last place that they could be caught cheating by spouses or friends.
Yes, R23. It was that they were either cheating OR one was bi and they were looking for a third. Very few straight couples just came to gay bars - at least in the 90s.
[quote]I met my partner in a straight club.
Oooooh, check out the BUTCH QUEEN at R8!
All this talk of straight strippers, gay waiters, bartenders...
You do realize that many (if not most) of the owners/managers of gay & lesbian bars and clubs (and therefore, the largest profit-participants) are straight people?
Do you know who owned/managed the vast majority of G&L establishments in NYC (and elsewhere) well into the 1970s?
[Drunk off her ass straight girl]
"Do you know why I like to come to gay bars? I can completely be myself!"
then she proceeds to throw up...
What kind of Thanksgiving dinner IS this? Where's the turkey, Chuck? Don't you know ANYTHING about Thanksgiving dinners? Where's the mashed potatoes? Where's the cranberry sauce? [BOLD]WHERE'S THE PUMPKIN PIE?[/BOLD]
Straight women in gay bars are like pigeons these days. Lesbians (especially butch ones) seem to hate them more than anyone.
I agree [R29] but I don't want to come across as if they are not welcomed but in a sense they're not. I suppose it really boils down to how people are meeting other people now. It seems to be solely the internet these days. I remember going to straight bars with female and male friends but I knew that I was never going to meet anyone there and just enjoyed the atmosphere. When I went to gay bars I knew there were people like me. Now? Who knows? You have the gay guy who brings his girlfriend(s) (I see them as their social crutches)and as the OP said, you now have the straight guys who are great but... I suppose there is no longer a need for gay bars or establishments anymore. We are all "accepted."
OP, it does sound as though you've been around for a while. Perhaps the party is continuing, but you haven't recently been invited.
All the better to spend quiet nights at home, learning that it's "de rigueur," not "di riguer."
Okay, what's going on with spelling and grammar on DL? It's all well and good to blame auto-correct featured on various devices, but aut-correct doesn't make up otherwise non-existent words.
Where is style? Where is skill? Where is forethought?
[quote]Not some straight dude who takes off his shirt and thinks its silly how the little queens fawn over him and give him tops (sic).
Newsflash: The gay strippers think the same thing too about the men they dance for.
AAAAARRRGGGGHHHH a typo in R32! Oh, the shame and irony of it all!
This is French.
I agree, especially with the girls in gay bars. They are always the most obnoxious people in the bar. Sweaty boobies all bumpin'up on me. They just suck all the sexy out of it for me.
@ [R32] ...and that's what you get! "He who is without sin."
Actually, R37, it's "LET he who is without sin [cast the first stone]." (Emphasis added. Jesus was being compassionate, rather than emphatic.)
A small sprinkling of straight women in gay bars have been a fixture on the bar scene for quite awhile. Mostly, these were the interesting, witty fruitflies who could drink and joke around and talk dirty like one of the guys. And they were real allies and friends of the gay community.
The problem was Will & Grace. Afterwards, all of these boring fraus wanted to be around a bunch of Jack's. And since then, they've proceeded to make friends with the most mincing, stereotypical gay man in the bar who brings in with him a gaggle of girls. Now, they bring other girls to a bar that used to cater to gay men, treat the place like a zoo and demand to be the obnoxious center of attention. Now gay bar = ruined.
So really, aside from discouraging too many straight people from invading gay space, we should also be banning the ePHeminate walking stereotypes who bring in these girls in droves in the first place.
Thing I hate the most: when a straight woman refers to her gay bestie as 'MY GAY HUSBAND'
Drives me crazy
Wow! I have to admit that I'm sort of hurt by this thread. I'm a straight guy and my best friend is a guy who happens to be gay. I go to gay bars with him all the time and have had many of good times meeting and talking with other guys. Now I'm learning I'm not wanted? I can't help that I was born this way.
R41, just stop.
wow, R14 sure knows how to make mortal enemies, doesn't she?
@ R41, Sorry to get back so late but I have to work. I'm quite serious. My best friend is gay and this thread makes it seem like you guys don't want me in your bars. I hate that term "gay-friendly." I love my friend and I like many of the guys that I have met at the bars. We email sometimes and I have their telephone numbers and they have mine. Would I ever sleep with anyone of them including my best friend--well, my friend and I have slept in the same bed together on numerous occasions, I can't ever see it happening but you never say never.
MMPH! Straight strippers? This happened a few years ago at The Urge Bar. A stripper and I were doing more than just flirting. During his break we went outside and I sucked his dick and we agreed to get together after he finished work. Well, because of the HOT strippers at the GAY bar a lot of women seemed to always be there. Anyway, either this "stripper" forgot about me or didn't see me because I saw him take this "straight" female bitch outside and they were gone for quite awhile. Either he got his dick sucked again or he fucked her. Me? I was sick.
I agree with OP
This thing is getting out of hand. Everyone is making a big show of it,gay,straight.
The straights are of course exploiting us to death,especially public figures.
Yes, chatting with people from the office while wearing assless chaps is just... awkward.
[quote]Yes, chatting with people from the office while wearing assless chaps is just... awkward.
OK, you need to understand something: *all* chaps are assless, that's what makes them chaps. "Assful" chaps are called pants.
Hmph! R14 found her husband in a gay bar. Well, I lost my boyfriend of 3 years when we went to a gay bar with a friend. Never again.
"So really, aside from discouraging too many straight people from invading gay space, we should also be banning the ePHeminate walking stereotypes who bring in these girls in droves in the first place."
...and here lies the problem.
Straight strippers are another gay for pay myth.
R29, I love straight girls!
R49, you never had him, honey.
It started with Christopher Street, then Chelsea, then West Hollywood and now the Castro.
Too many straight people.
They've ruined gay
Last night at The Cock (google it) This queen walks in with 3 of his female girlfriends. It's the queen's birthday and she is even more giddy than they are. They're blowing horns, streamers, dancing, taking pictures, the whole bit... The bartender allows this obnoxious behavior to go on because he is just as effeminate as the birthday queen. Once they start talking (screaming)about boyfriends I had had enough and left.
You know, R55, we know how to use troll-dar. You seem to have more personalities than Sally Field in Sybil. Time to stop it I think.
LMAO...R14 is full of shit. He met his STRAIGHT husband at a gay bar? A gay friendly straight man isn't going to enter into a homosexual relationship just because he's open-minded. R14's husband was a self-loathing gay man in some sort of twisted form of denial...good thing he decided to give up the pretense and just be himself. It obviously worked out for him in the long run...
Hmm... R57, I thought R14 was a woman.
I might need to work on my reading comprehension...you're probably right, R58!
Ho-Hum, another one. I was in my coffee shop this morning and the owner, (a total hunk bodybuilder that is married with a kid but LOVES "Priscilla, Queen of the Desert--go figure), looks at a picture on his female employee's phone. It was a picture of two girls hugging. He asks her; "Is that your girlfriend, best friend, or both?"
Just impossible... The conversations are even changing now.
Just stop bringing your fucking faghag girlfriends to the Cock. Seriously. Just STOP it.
Last weekend, I was getting down with 3 other hung guys towards the back of the bar, and this tall black queeny type comes in with his loud, bitchy Asian hag, and while he uses the bathroom, she just about walks through the circle jerk shouting repeatedly at the top of her lungs the name of the third member of their party. I yelled at her to get the fuck out of there.
A couple weeks before that, also at the Cock, I was jerking at the urinals with another two guys, and these two skanks came in the bathroom and told us to "carry on", that they didn't care what we were doing, "don't mind us", etc., they just wanted to do coke. I went to the bouncer at the front door and told him, and he came back and questioned them but didn't eject them. Later, I saw them sitting on the couch out on the main floor doing lines.
My point is, it's a total boner-kill. Straight girls, I promise you, you are not wanted or appreciated at places like the Eagle or the Cock. Men are there to get down with other men. We don't want female attention. We don't want to hear your voices. And you queeny types? STOP thinking it's a good idea to bring your female friends with you to such bars. Stay home and watch Sex & the City and give each other facials. FUCK OFF.
When Larry King and Bill O'Reilly came out, I knew things were too far gone.
I remember years back that my friend took me to Henrietta Hudson. We didn't stay long because it was made quite clear that because I had a penis I was not welcomed. The bouncer gave us problems. The bartender was slow in serving our drinks. Then there were the stares. Very unpleasant.
[quote]Has this gay acceptance gotten out of hand?
No, it's called progress.
R63, good. That's how you should have been treated.
(I'm just guessing; I've never been to a lesbian bar and have no interest in going to one, I also don't know how lesbians feel about gay OR straight men invading their watering holes, but I can't imagine it would be any different from how I feel about chicks at the Cock.)
UGH shut up. We should have separate schools and restrooms and water fountains, too. The gays would probably love that separate restroom thing anyway. I love when straight girls come to my local gay bar, because they usually make me look like less of a drunken fool.
I go with straight male and female friends along with my fellow gays. It's fun. If I didn't have my straights with me it would be a total bore to have to deal with so many of the gay bitches that dwell there.
I'm with you on the gay bartender thing, though.
Also, the purpose of gay bars is defunct. Stop circle jerking in the corner. This isn't the Tenderloin in the 70's. It's disgusting. Go on craigslist or Grindr and find so cemetery to whore around in. I just want to listen to One Direction and drink my cocktails.
R66/67, you sound exactly like the typical queen who WOULD come to the Cock with your fucking faghag girlfriend. Here's the thing: there are gay bars, and then there are SLEAZY gay bars, if you're lucky enough to live in a city that has both. Don't go to a SLEAZY gay bar and bring your female or straight male friends.
I love hanging out with straight guys, too--most of my friends are straight guys, actually. But when I want to get my grope on without the fuss, disappointment, and waste of time that is Grindr and Craigslist (seriously, have you ever fucking used either of those things for hookups? EVER?), I go to the Cock, and I don't want you and your obnoxious chick friends killing my boner. No one at the Cock is interested in you, anyway, so why not go to Urge next door, or any of the other obnoxious thumping-club-music-and-cocktails gay bars that are so prevalent in Hell's Kitchen? You sound obnoxious enough to fit in there perfectly without soiling the good times being had elsewhere.
Also, at 22, you have a LOT to learn.
Well you sure showed me.
"...No one at the Cock is interested in you, anyway,..."
Well, that's not true. The owner is quite interested because he loves men too! He loves; George, Abraham, Andrew, Alex, and will bend over on the spot whenever he sees Ben.
@R66, Well I go to a gay bar to meet GAY people. Particular GAY men. Not to engage a gay guy's girlfriend or his straight male friend, (who looks terrified that he will be hit on before you even speak to him), in conversation. I mean some of them are cool but they are far and few. Many times these groups keep to themselves and do not even try to socialize with others. Usually, they're the ones that are so FUCKING loud that nails scratching across a chalkboard would sound better. Why not just go to a straight bar?
"...so why not go to Urge next door,.."
Now, that SURE was a mess with all the boys bringing their girlfriends to see the male strippers. Ugh!!!
Speaking of The Cock, case # whatever: A lesbian brings two of her straight girlfriends to the bar. It's one of the straight girlfriend's birthday....
OP, do you have as much of a problem as gay people going with their straight friends to straight bars?
If not, perhaps you might want to consider if you're being fair.
[quote]66/67, you sound exactly like the typical queen who WOULD come to the Cock with your fucking faghag girlfriend. Here's the thing: there are gay bars, and then there are SLEAZY gay bars, if you're lucky enough to live in a city that has both. Don't go to a SLEAZY gay bar and bring your female or straight male friends. I love hanging out with straight guys, too--most of my friends are straight guys, actually. But when I want to get my grope on without the fuss, disappointment, and waste of time that is Grindr and Craigslist (seriously, have you ever fucking used either of those things for hookups? EVER?), I go to the Cock, and I don't want you and your obnoxious chick friends killing my boner. No one at the Cock is interested in you, anyway, so why not go to Urge next door, or any of the other obnoxious thumping-club-music-and-cocktails gay bars that are so prevalent in Hell's Kitchen? You sound obnoxious enough to fit in there perfectly without soiling the good times being had elsewhere. Also, at 22, you have a LOT to learn. By: 34-year-old masculine homo
This whole post is satire. It has to be. It's seeping with irony.
Dumpster dating in the back alley of a club at 3 AM.